Pathfinder General /pfg/

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>>52929879
I hit the gunslinger with a spear 2fast4him

>>52929475
Asking it again
So how's Swashbuckler?Can you guys go into detail,like how good is one in combat and non-combat situations?

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What is the functional difference between a Daemon and a Qlippoth? They both want to destroy everything.

>>52929902
they're extremely niche, but they're better than Daring Cavalier, despite what /tg/ thinks because daring cavalier fucks itself over for damage. You're better of using Unchained Rogue and taking the Panache Talent.

>>52929951
Qlippoths existed before anything. They are also chaotic evil as opposed to neutral evil. Qlippoth only want to destroy anything that isn't the abyss.

Daemons want to literally annihilate the multiverse.

>>52929968
Is a Daemon just an NPC who's tired of the campaign and wants to shoot the DM

>>52929955
>Panache talent for rogue

The what now, got sauce on that?

>>52929951
Qlippoths are defined by their relation to demons. They are proto-demons and loathe them, and by extension humanity because it's mortal sin that allowed demons to spawn. They are more primal, aberrant and maybe even "primitive".

>>52930053
So basically they're oldfags, humans are newfags, and demons are reddit?

>>52930060
Qlippoths are oldfags, humans are normies and demons are newfags. Degenerate normies land in the 4chan and piss oldfags off.

>>52929879
Pdf of Bestiary 6 fucking where?!

>>52930009
Unchained Rogue Talent Firearm Training give you grit. Grit qualifies you for taking Panache feats.

Apparently it was third party shit that my GM had.

>>52930108
This weekend, probably. Be patient.

>>52930140
>Some rogue shit is based off Wis (ki pool, grit)
>Some is based off Int (bombs, a bunch of random bullshit)
>It supposedly wants to have Cha skills trained

I wish more rogue shit actually got unchained, because the class is a fucking mess.

>>52929955
>>52930140
So if that talent doesnt exist,mind telling me more about why should one choose rogue over swashbuckler?

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>>52930108

>>52930317
UPLOAD IT REEE
Mesto is fucking sexy holy shit

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>>52930324

>>52930344
/ss/ bait

>>52930344

>Turn the party back into kids

Bueno.

>>52930344
>>52930354
>>52930363

Actually does nothing to their mental abilities, only their physical appearance.

Yes I like this.
...By RAW they don't even look any younger, they just shrink, but I'm going to keep pretending everyone becomes loli and /ss/

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>>52930344
>stuffed into Krampus' bag

OH NO YOU DON'T

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>>52930354
>>52930363
>>52930409
>>52930410

>>52930344
Pedobear has return to haunt our games!

>>52930306
>You're not just playing a Virtuous Bravo Paladin
>You can get easy access to an Even Curved Blade for 1.5x Dex-to-damage on URogue
>You know the good archetypes and use them
>You have a way to get the talents and stats to pack Ninja shit
>You're using Legendary Rogues

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>>52930426
what the fuck

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>>52930426
all of these dudes have stats now too.

Did the quillopth lords ever get posted?

>>52930426
>>52930344
DAMMIT AUGUNAS! Stop touching little boys dressed as foxes!

>>52930464
Paizo knows that Pathfinder is dying with each passing day. They are burning the last ship with noDragonStar.

>>52930532
how do we save pathfinder

>>52930108
It's being cleaned, chill out dude.

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>>52930554
but we waaant iiiit.

>>52930543
We can't. Just let it go.

>>52930543

We don't, if you've been paying attention the quality of our threads have dropped substantially, hell I'd wager the existence of PoW, Spheres and constant /pfg/ games is the only thing keeping it up.

Eventually you need to let it go.

>>52930568
no ;-;

>>52930543
MAKE PEACE WITH YOUR END, FOR THE HOUR OF TWILIGHT FALLS

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>>52930464

>>52930607
>literally no mechanics for watergirls
Paizo is the one that's killing Pathfinder.

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>>52930625
At least Rougarou are kinda cool
Also
>Entothrope Skinwalkers when!

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>>52930590

You're gonna carry that weight

>>52930639
Oops, the picture was kind of cut off there.

>As long as the creature carries the naiad’s token and retains her favor, that creature gains a +1 insight bonus on Will saving throws and Craft and Perform checks.

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>>52930639
evil blight droods exist now too

>>52930543
Actually I have a serious question, what are the chances of a Pathfinder 2e? I mean it's basically reached the point all the dnd editions got to by now, there's a book that's touched on basically everything you care to mention and there's not much left to do.

>>52930645
>1/day beast shape
>furbait as fuck
>literally just a boring skinwalker with locked in bestial traits

Logs where

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>>52930763
Thing is Pathfinder showed up in the first place as "3.5 but fixed". What would PF 2e be? "Pathfinder but fixed"?

>>52930838

That looks like a monster from The Suffering.

>>52930763
Pretty good. There are decent odds that Starfinder will float a bunch of rules changes just to see what people like (not necessarily what's actually good) that they can include in a second edition.

It'll probably just end up being a bunch of tiny incremental changes to basic rules, though. I wouldn't hope for some kind of revival for d20. Paizo's survived off of the lingering success of 3e for so long there's no way they try and do something actually new.

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>>52930645
>people keep playing Werewasp-kin Skinwalkers to be Q-Bee

>>52930850
"We didn't do a good job, but we're gonna go for round two with everything we learned from last time"?

>>52930911
>tfw Darkstalkers is dead

>>52930893

Well, the June 17 sample will apparently include conversion rules. I guess we'll see the direction they're taking then.

>>52930944
But anon, hope is an illusion.

>>52930944

Yeah, no. They pumped way too many resources into Starfinder to have a Twofinder in the works.

Why do people complain about Pathfinder being bloated? Isn't having more options better? And besides, GMs can always dictate was is and isn't in setting?

>>52930977
>Isn't having more options better?
Not when 90% of those are actually non-options due to either having negligible benefit compared to shit you actually NEED, or in some cases actively making your character worse.

>>52930977
I don't know but Pathfinder is pretty weird in its setting
Golarian is like 60 other settings tossed in a salad and mixed up together.
If you're talking about mechanics it's because a lot of them are either boring 'mechanics' or fun concept but shit execution - see Magus for more onthat.

>>52930977
You could paste shit down to the 20% people actually bother and still have way too much, and nobody would notice. Nobody uses the garbage content, it exists to pad out books and hide the actually useful shit so people who autistically dig for it can feel good about themselves.

It's also full of incomplete shit that desperately needs attention, but will never get it because that doesn't make big bucks. We have a billion archetypes that need to be expanded or rerolled entirely, whole classes (like magus and investigator) even, but that won't happen because new shit sells better. Hell, look at Mooncursed Barbarian, it was ALREADY INVALIDATED by another, newer archetype, rather than being reworked into something actually good.

>>52931000

Oh gosh! I'm going to go onto the forums and bitch about my Water Balloon Fighter not being as good as someone using a longbow!

>>52930977
Only if they're real, valid options. Pathfinder has so many trash options in it that sorting through them for the actually usable stuff is really tedious.

Seriously, there are nearly 3,000 feats in Pathfinder, just from Paizo material. And the vast majority of them are totally worthless, just existing to waste your time and pad wordcount.

>>52930763
That's not the important question, the important question is whether a PF 2E would be good.

And let me tell you now, the answer to that is no.

>>52931102

Give them a break, Paizo employees hardly get paid more than a middle manager at your local Burger King.

>>52931091
How about water balloon fighter being better than a crossbow fighter?

>>52931130
I've heard that story, but does anyone have links or screencaps of the builds being posted and the replies?

>>52931125
And those who complain end vored by Lisa Stevens.

>>52931130
Alchemist dip for int to splash damage already makes this pretty effective.

>>52931125
And yet they're still worse at their jobs than people who Do It For Free™

>>52931201

NEETs don't do it for free, they're paying with Good Boy Points.

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>it's a shit on Paizo thread

>>52931212
You could have said dogecoin and it would have the same value, dude

>>52931305

Dogecoins, much like bitcoins, are the perfect currency.

>>52931125
The amount you get paid has little to no bearing on what you produce. It's like saying because you don't get paid as a chef you can't know how to cook.

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>>52931087
Not him but I hear Magus get shit on alot around here. What exactly about them makes them suck so bad?

>>52931373
the professional chef making 6+ figures is likely to be better at cooking than the high school dropout taking orders at mcdonalds

>>52931415
They're fine. It's just a little tiring that some of their strongest options are really weirdly specific, so different magus characters end up looking a lot like each other.

>>52931453
Isn't this the case with most classes?

>>52931420
Yes, but the professional chef making 6+ figures doesn't suddenly become bad at cooking when he's not being paid for his signature dish.
The amount you're getting paid for your work is not an excuse for shit quality, although it might well be an indicator since if you were actually good at cooking you wouldn't be working at a burger stand.

>>52931415
They're boring, evenmoreso than Fighters, and get outclassed by a lot of other characters, and there's like two or three viable builds, maximum. Unlike other classes too if you don't use a good build you're basically unplayably shit.

>>52931460
Not to the same degree, and certainly not when you're talking about other spellcasters.

>>52931415
I like magus, but my biggest gripe with them is that they don't get full BAB like a duskblade.

>>52931473
>They're boring, evenmoreso than Fighters

How in the world do you build a Fighter in a way that's less boring than Magus?

I'm not disagreeing with you, I really want to know.

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Regarding Starfinder,

Is anyone here planning a campaign or story for it?

>>52931512
Literally every magus is the same thing, and adding to the frustration is the idea that a spellsword SHOULD be cool but the Pisszo version isn't. As a fighter you can at least ape 2fast spearmen or Guts or something, but Magi, being shit and functionally locked into one build, are neither fun to build nor fun to play.

>TFW we get around to brewing the entothrope skinwalkers and their alternate spell-like ability is vomit swarm

>>52931415
>>52931460
The problem is that the strongest options blending characters together are all SO SPECIFIC that the need to use them to make the class pretend to be functional results in it being BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS that all Magi are basically just the same build with different paint. It's always the same spell(s), the same playstyle, the same weapon(s), the same Arcana (especially when they nerfed Flamboyant Arcana/Arcane Deed), the same problems. The Magus's actual MECHANICS aren't too terrible (Spell Combat is great, IMO), it's how they're put together in a class that's a major problem. The Magus is very clearly Paizo's first attempt at designing a class.

Also, to lead into >>52931493
Lots of the good 3/4th BAB classes get something to shore up their BAB outside of their WBL. You know what the Magus gets to do that? To add +1's to their sword, with a limited pool of special abilities that they have to spend both Arcana and extra pool points to add to.

>>52931563
Why IS Shocking Grasp the end-all be-all, anyway?

>>52931591
Nothing else in their spell list is really better, pound for pound.

>>52931563
The really confusing part is that it's clearly a Duskblade with the serial number filed off, but they utterly ruined the things that made the Duskblade passable.

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>>52931531

I'm kicking around a few ideas, yeah. Probably won't have a solid picture until the book release, or at least the June sample, but I'd like to run some space adventures.

>>52931563
The Magus is more like an archetype than a class, and I mean "archetype" as in "character trope" and not "class archetype". It's like a mechanized version of one single character who fights with sword and spell, not the mechanical version of a generic character who fights with sword and shield.

>>52931531

I've seen several ideas thrown around here that ranged from "exploring a large expanse of uncharted space" to "two rival megacorporations bicker over the rights to a system, causing a three-way war between the megacorps and the natives."

>>52931531
Trying to piece one together. Honestly though, I don't know what to make of it. Until I actually see rules and what is and is not possible it's all just a pipe dream.

>>52931591

No save, attack bonus if they're wearing metal, electric resistance isn't particularly common at low levels, damage can scale surprisingly well for such an early-game spell.

>>52931591
It just WORKS. It's lethal damage, it scales 1-1 with level and can be Intensified to scale higher, it has a bonus effect (+4 on Attack Rolls vs Metal), it's a damage type rarely resisted at early levels (Electricity), and its closest competitor is strictly WORSE IN ALL WAYS FOR NO REASON. SERIOUSLY, THE ACID TOUCH IS JUST "ACID DAMAGE", THAT'S THE ONLY UPSIDE. THE DICE ARE SMALLER, THERE'S NO BONUS EFFECT, IT DOESN'T EVEN IGNORE SPELL RESISTANCE LIKE OTHER ACID SPELLS.

Also Frostbite WOULD be REALLY good (1d6+CL Damage, useable CL number of times? With a rider effect? Damn son), but it's both Cold Damage and Nonlethal damage, which completely ruins it since so much shit is immune to one or both of those.

>>52931629

It's safe to assume things like robots, laser guns, ship combat and mechs are available.

>>52931674
>1d4 lasers

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>>52931531

a few ideas

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>>52931674

>WHO'S READY TO *PARTY*?

>>52931707

SUCK ON MY MISSILE PUNCH!

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>>52931629
Maybe this'll help.

How do you come up with interesting stories for your characters, especially highly optimized characters with complicated builds?

I have a ton of fun build ideas kicking around but I've never been any good at actually pulling everything together with a story to create a compelling character. It's like every character I make stops at the build and never makes it beyond that.

>>52931610
I'm glad people finally came around to my point of view on it after like 5 years of jacking off to the Magus, at least. Full BAB, better feat support, and better PrCs/multiclass opportunities counts for a lot.

>>52931753

Don't forget the classes:

>Soldier – Fighter++, Heavy weapons, ranged or melee, focus on a weapon specialist.

>Operative – Specialize on a subterfuge role, spy, snipper, infiltration, etc, heavy skill focus, master of skills.

>Envoy – Helps everyone else out. Han Solo & Princess Leya. Space Bard, or Spaceship Captain, etc…

>Mechanic – Fixes things! Has a robot companion or AI Companion.

>Mystic – Similar to the Oracle. Channels the magical energy of the universe. Not only from gods. Psycho, head exploder, the force etc…

>Technomancer – combines magic and technology. Magic is thought if like programming code. Figure out the laws of the universe, bend and break them.

>Solarian – Balance of the universe between Energy and Entropy. Embraces two sets of powers for each, using them effects the power of the other. Light and Heat, vs Gravity. Could make a Jedi with this class, mystical melee. Has a mote of stellar energy that can be used to form energy weapons or armor.

>>52931763
The easiest thing I've found to do is roll them up using a background generator - there's even one on the SRD. once you have the skeleton of a story (which is what a good background generator will give you) you can piece it together into something cool. As you roll, you'll come across stuff that you can decide just doesn't work for the character and pick something else.

>>52931763

Consider your build the framework for your character, rather than a limitation.

>>52931792

How good of a sniper can the Operative be?

Threadly reminder that everyone who is getting excited about Starfinder should just play Dungeons the Dragoning instead.

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>>52931610
>>52931618
I think I've said it every time it comes up, but the Magus just needs to be straight up gutted down to the barebones basics and reworked from there. Spell Combat, Spellstrike, and Arcane Pool are the three main features of the class, and it fails utterly to actually use them in any meaningful way. Hell, one of the best arcana is Arcane Accuracy and that's still impressively anemic.

Also, you know what confuses the fuck out of me? That something as simple as Produce Flame isn't on the Magus spell list. It's the most basic kind of offensive fire spell and the kind of effect constantly shown in spellsword art and it ISN'T ON THE MAGUS SPELL LIST.

>>52931792
Are these clothes confirmed? I have trouble imagining that pazio could actually make something cool like this.

>>52931773
Man, I switched from 3.5 last fucking week. I looked at the Magus for all of ten minutes. It's blindingly obvious that it's a shit Duskblade with crippled primary features and a lot of irrelevant chaff bloating the feature list.

How the LITERAL FUCK did people not call it out as trash right away?

>>52931807

No.

>>52931682

DONT LIE TO ME

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>>52931806
Well, damage across the board has been increased to account for the higher lethality of gun based combat. At level 2, there was a spell used during the livestream (a level 1 spell similar to Burning hands) that did 4d6 electricity damage.

If weapon damage scales at the same rate as magic (which you can do in Pathfinder, though not super easily) then a vital strike style build with a sniper rifle should be able to churn out one-shot-one-kill stuff.

That's just speculation though. We haven't seen the Operative in action; we've only seen a mechanic, a technomancer, and a solarion.

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>>52931806

It says "snipper", not sniper.

>>52931874
Got a link to this stream?

>>52931866

These clothes are 120% confirmed, friend. They're even releasing a subsystem that allows you to deeply customize your party's ship, which have mini-classes each party member needs to assume a role in (Soldier is also gunner, Envoy works the stick, etc.)

>>52931874

How does the system make sure your level 1-2 character doesn't die in one hit?

>>52931867
Because 90% of PF players are dumb as fuck.

>>52931916
you get an extra pool of HP called "Stamina" that represents your luck and ability to avoid getting hit in the first place. Stamina recovers with 10 minute rests. if they carry over robot stuff from Pathfinder, personal forcefields will also be available.

This is also meant to reduce the reliance on healing magic.

>>52931899
I'm looking. i'll let you know if i find one.

>>52931916

Presumably, part of that is "Stamina". You have a pool of pseudo-temp HP that regenerates.

>>52931932

Can confirm, I'm almost borderline.

>>52931932
3.5 primarily appeal to special snowflakes and autistic math and build-obsessed munchkin.

>>52931972
GIRI GIRI AI

>>52931961
>>52931966

>Stamina
>Quickly regenerating health as abstract luck and near-misses

Guys, help. I'm getting excited.

>>52931987
IKENAI BORDEERLIIINEE

>>52931867
Because in low-op it's at least more functional than things like a Rogue or Monk, and PFS players are terrified of lots of damage dice. If you pull out an Empowered/Intensified Shocking Grasp Critical hit due to blind luck and have to whip out (1.5*20d6)+2d6+22 damage with a single hit "that one time" then HOLY MOLY THAT'S SO OVERPOWERED. NEVERMIND THAT YOU'RE BLOWING SPELLS TO DO BLASTING.

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>>52931991

Yeah, sounds like it could be nice.

>>52932030
>ONLY 1.5 20D6

YOU ARE LIKE LITTLE BABY

Looks like we're not getting any peace for another month, boys.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/75856/dimensional-ark-abyssia

>>52932139
>peace
>in this lifetime

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>Charisma measures a character’s personality, personal magnetism, ability to lead, and appearance. It is the most important ability for paladins, sorcerers, and bards. It is also important for clerics, since it affects their ability to channel energy. For undead creatures, Charisma is a measure of their unnatural “lifeforce.”
>and appearance
>/pfg/ still doesn't think that cha affects appearance.

>>52932129
>implying

Of course we could go higher, but PFS players are the littlest babies, and the ones who put Magus in this state to begin with.

>>52932156
Ability to maintain and carry yourself does not encompass everything about a person's appearance.

>>52932139

Doesn't seem that interesting desu.

>>52931899
Aha! Found the stream for anybody that wants to watch it. Pull up a chair and make some food, though, because this shit is almost two hours long.

I can't actually post a link because 4chan thinks Twitch links are spam for some reason, but it's on the Paizo official twitch saved videos page, under "Pathfinder Worldscape - Starfinder Playtest"

Aside from the extra stuff they've told us about Starship combat (And the extra stream they made for that in the last couple weeks), this is basically everything we know about Starfinder coming up.

>>52932156
It's a mental stat and has always been treated as a mental stat.

There are several instancs in D&D where books have flat out stated that High Charisma doesn't
always mean "attractive" see: Hitler

There are characters in PATHFINDER that have 8 Charisma and are described as Handsome and 11 charisma described as homely looking(Orik and Lyrie respectively).

Liches are some of sexiest beings on the planet by that logic.
>>52932156
Basically this

>>52932166
Let's not forget the gunslinger, a class that has steadily been getting assfucked since its inception to the point where its farts sound like a tire slowly deflating, a class that takes all of 5 minutes to actually fix yet will never receive a 1st-party one.

>>52932185
Never said iy was just cha, but no other stat calls out appearance directly, other than maybe the entry for 14 strength.
>Visibly toned, throws small objects for long distances

>>52931753
Don't forget the crappy level 1 lasers throwing 1d3 damage.

>>52932225
VMC GUNSLINGER

>>52932188
Hey, it's got more of a definite direction than Overlewd.

>>52932208

I will do this thing tonight, but I must ask.

Does the game look fun?

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>>52932286
It looks like more fun that pathfinder.

Take that as you will.

>>52932139
>
Additionally, every application made to this game will have to be paired with another with connected backstories. Every paired application made in this manner will also have to share one class: this can be one of the DSP Monster Classes or another class, which is explained as the thematic and backstory link between the characters.

I don''t know where to begin with how retarded that is.

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>>52932286

As fun as a picnic, anon.

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>>52932139
>gestalt is so common that you don't even need to mention it explicitly, it's just assumed

What will it take to escape this hell?

>>52932156
While we're on the subject, what's an appearance score of (14+21+10+16)/4 = 15.25 mean?

>>52932324

How do you duo-app with someone without knowing who would be interested in the first place?

Who would you want to duo-app with?

>>52932338

I love picnics!

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>>52932359

Beer and/or tigers.

>>52932393
You're gorgeous. But according to /pfg/, you're merely okay because you didn't have 18s across the board.

>>52932393

You're the most handsome or lovely person in your village, the classical beauty. If you're from somewhere more urban, you'd turn most heads, and you will not lack for partners as long as you aren't socially incompetent.

>>52932393
Nothing whatsoever, because that method of calculating appearance is wrong.

Suffered a TPK yesterday and now I'm out of character ideas. What should I play?

Game has very high mortality rate, this is my second character gone since I began 4 sessions ago.

>>52932410
Memes aside, this really seems meant more for the Discord because those are pretty much going to be the only people with those sorts of connections.

Hello pfg how will you make Martha from Outlast 2? I think she have great possibilities as a boss

>>52932470
roll it at random

>>52932470
When all else fails, be a Sanctified Slayer Str-Inquisitor.

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>>52932479
>Discord Cabal is real
IT'S NOT FAIR

>>52932393

It means here in town, there is only she who is beautiful as me, so I'm making plans to woo and marry-well, you get it.

>>52932479
>>52932516
>A duo app game is only for people who put effort and investment into meeting other people in this community and getting along with them

Gee who would have thought

>>52932481

Haven't played it. What's she like?

>>52932537
>"""""community"""""

>>52932551

Yeah, that was kind of a goofy show.

>>52932470
i'll add that party is now bard, druid, ranger, rogue, and wizard.

what would compliment this?

>>52930858
It's a Japanese folklore thing.

>>52932579
Warpriest.

>>52932579

Needs beef. Go for Barbarian, Paladin, or Fighter.

Why is Betrothed Avowed such a meme?

>>52932479

Which means the game is not worthy of memes.

>>52932537
>duo app game is only for people who attentioned whore or made characters that got everyone's peepee hard
Sounds about right. The discord is a separate community from /pfg/ just like the IRC is, even if they have a lot of overlap the fundamental dynamic between them are different.

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>>52932618

>>52932627
It's basically "get a free waifu the archetype"

Also being two fucking people at the same time is retard powerful narratively speaking.

>>52932538

http://i.imgur.com/hY3Mufm.png

>>52932696
what's up with her arm?

>>52932696

So, she's got a Heavy Pick? And a right arm that probably ought to be looked at?

>>52932627
Because it's literally "Waifu: the class" in a similar way to summoner, but this time you both get powers to be a battle couple.

>>52932687
>>52932725
So broken as fuck and gay as shit, got it.

>>52932479
Or IRC. Or your roll20 friends. Don't you have friends?

>>52932759
Sums up the avowed nicely last time I checked up on it.

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>>52932139
So who's gonna pony up with this dragonslayer?

>>52932782
SwimmingEagle's already booked up, so you'll need to find a different fat fetishist to be your Smough.

>>52932773
I'm not an attention whore so no. I don't use the IRC and I have no current roll20 groups.

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>>52932773

>>52932805
consider suicide

>>52932716
>>52932725

She is REALLY tall and REALLY strong (that pickaxe is tall as a human)

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>>52932810
But anon, there's no portal there.

Only death is eternal.

>>52932822

So, a half-giant with a heavy pick.

>>52932817
Why should I?

Seriously, someone post the quiloppth lords

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>>52932791


well... i DO have a character ready.

>>52932805
>Doesn't have friends but convinces themselves it's okay because investing into being sociable is "attention whoring"

Jesus christ we have a literal 5 WIS/5 CHA anon right here.

>>52932759
You're two hamstrung fags and you take twice as long to be about a tenth more effective than a base Avowed.

>>52932781
When did you look at it last, because it got nerfed heavily.

Is bow + buckler viable. How good is the buckler?

>>52932861
its not good odn't do it

Are there any nonstandard/gimmick/off builds that actually work? It doesn't have to be a tier 1 build or anything, I just want to play something different for once.

>>52932879
lots of stuff works thats no tier 1 you fucking pleb.

>>52932759
Not super broken unless you're touhou, but the potential for being Rory levels of gay is there.

>>52932879
As shitty and memetic as it probably is, that one guy's Wis/Cha Inquisitor idea looked like it could at least hold its own.

How much AC is considered to be "good enough" at low levels? What about at higher levels?

>>52932897
I don't think you understood the question.

>>52932908
What build was this? I don't think I saw it.

>>52932929
>low levesl
20+level
>higher levels
Fuck AC, get things that can just NOPE attacks.

>>52932879
Plenty.

>>52932974
Like what?

>>52932861
Is there any drawback besides weight/cost? A masterwork buckler has an ACP of 0.
This means you don't even have to be proficient in Bucklers to reap its benefits.
>Normal: When you are using a shield with which you are not proficient, you take the shield’s armor check penalty on attack rolls and on all skill checks that involve moving

>>52933014
Waterballoon fighter

>this can be one of the DSP Monster Classes or another class, which is explained as the thematic and backstory link between the characters
This seems pretty fucking stupid. Especially with Path of War, Psionics, and Spheres in the mix which are a lot less "your class is what you are within the context of the narrative" than 1pp classes, which is a pretty cancerous idea to begin with. Not to mention it's seems like hell on variety.

May as well just fucking say "everyone play succubi" since that's probably what he wants.

>>52933017
Pretty sure you lose the shield bonus if you use the hand associated with it to make attacks.

>>52933062
Is this the one that dips into alchemist for int to splash damage?

Are there any resources for this?

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>>52933067
Why ISN'T everyone going to be a succubus 8/antipaladin 2 gestalted with something else?

>Devils
>Daemons
>Demons
>Qlippoths
>Dark Tapestry

How is this universe so fucked? How would you even fix this?

>>52933104
Simple. Punch everything.

>>52933104
Whipe the slate clean faggot!

KILL FUCKING EVERYTHING

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>>52932937
>Sanctified Slayer/Ravener Hunter Inquisitor of Desna, 25 PB preferred but lower is workable
>Be a standard Aasimar for two 18's in Wis/Cha post-racial, or a Human if you think level 3 is going to take too long to get to
>Use your ability to poach an Oracle mystery to pick a Cha-to-AC Revelation, your first level feat is Noble Scion
>Pick up Divine Fighting Technique (Desna) and use a Starknife to use Cha for Attack/Damage
>Congratulations, you've spent a fuckload of resources to be overall less effective than the guy who decided to be a Sarenrae Dex-Inquisitor with Dervish Dancer
>Enjoy getting yelled at by /pfg/ for basing your combat stats off of Cha on a Wis-based class
>on the bright side, you can probably do face skill things REALLY GOOD, and you'll have good-to-great Initiative

>>52932840

Heeeey!

>>52929879
I had this idea once for an archetype. You get bonuses to pistol whipping people or just throwing your gun at them, with deeds around giving them concussions, bouncing them back into your hand, bouncing off the first guy onto another guy, or even going off on a critical hit. I called it the Gunshy.

Think of the batarian's light melee string with rifles from Mass Effect 3's multiplayer

>>52932156
>>52932393

Here's the formula for how good your character is at sex in Fallout 2, apparently.

Though fallout runs on a scale of 1 to 10 per stat so you would have to adjust it to make it work. Maybe half your stats? Apparently you need a 9.00 to be amazing.

>>52933136
Holy moly what a mess.

I love it.

>>52933071
There are feats for that. Or if you'd rather spend some money just get a Lyrune-Quah Klar and enhance it further.

>>52933104
Honestly ignore most of it. The metaphysics of the world suffer from pretty much the same bloat everything else does, there are how many outsider races by now? And considering the fact that there are tons of each, and each is supposed to have its own list of demigods on top, there just isn't room for everything. Like seriously, name me the last time you saw an inevitable get brought up ever in the game.
Though its clear, like alot of other things, not to much thought is put into it. Take the inevitbles for instance, the cr 20 guy from bestiary 2 is listed as having the primary job of stopping interplaner portals. Is he brought up in WotR ever when there's a giant portal between the abyss and the material plane? Nope.

>>52933067
>what are dips

Does seem that complicated desu.

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>>52933190
Wow I forgot the image.

>>52933104
I always thought there were two solutions to this 'cosmic bloat':
A) It's not all there, it depend on the setting
B) The universe is really, really huge possibly with several material planes

>>52933071
You'll get your AC bonus on rounds when you aren't shooting and any other benefit you've slapped on the buckler via magic as well. On rounds when you shoot, you don't get the shield bonus or any other AC benefit from the buckler, but there's no penalty besides weight/cost.

>>52933215
Inevetibles and Aeons are just excuses for the GMs to gank wizards who realized that the spell lists break the setting in 50 different fucking ways.

I don't think they actually fucking show up in any AP or module.

>>52933215

I was under the impression Inevitables only exert their immutable will when it's really fucking inconvenient for other people. Closing the Worldwound would be entirely too helpful.

>>52933017
>>52933071
>if you use a weapon in your off hand, you lose the buckler's Armor Class bonus until your next turn.

Huh. I wanted to make a rifle user with a buckler. I guess you could only use it on a round you did not make attacks, or if you had not attacked yet in surprise round/first turn.

Still a cheap situational buffer to AC, in my opinion.

>>52933210
As an added bonus, if you REALLY WANTED, you could dump Str and Dex to 7 and the only thing you have to worry about is carry capacity and your Acrobatics checks. If your GM allows you to somehow substitute Perform: Dance for Acrobatics with a trait or something, or you VMC with Bard, you can translate the hot mess into an even bigger hot mess.

I still plan to play it sometime, even if it's shit.

>>52933255

Now come up with a backstory for this monstrosity.

>>52933248
Kinda. The point is that outer sphere is WAY to crowded to run it all straight.
>>52933253
Thats how they show up in the campaign more or less. I guess it is kinda nice to have metaphysical failsafes. I mean, if you try to run every single outsider race and play them all straight things get fucked fast

>>52933136
/pfg/ won't care as long as you aren't Int based.

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>>52932139

Guys, I have an idea for an app for this game that requires your help in picking the right source of both his powers and his worship.

Keywords: Iä! Iä! Y'AI'NG'NGAH YOG-SOTHOTH H'EE-L'GEB F'AI THRODOG UAAAH!

Would Oracle || Occultist be the best combination for a character inspired heavily by Lovecraft? He's going to need to be of "a wastrel line fallen into decadence" or maybe even "of a negroid sort."

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>>52933281
Basically pic-related, but with a Starknife instead of a Yoyo, and a fervent dedication to Desna in addition to trying to prove how manly he is.

>>52933190
>Fallout stats run on a 10 point scale

Uh. No they don't?

They fucking START at 10, and are more or less on the same scale as PF stats.

3 int is mentally deficient to the point most of the game was locked off to you because you were too fucking stupid to be able to talk to people comprehensibly.

>>52933229
Gonna figure out some of my characters, and then I think I'll try out all of Blingmaker. Let's get this shit fucked up.

Is Armor of the Pit (+2 natural armor bonus) worth it as a racial (Tiefling) feat, or is it a wasted one?

>>52933338
I guess I don't remember playing the old games very well then and only remember 3 and onward. Now I feel dumb.

>>52933338
No they don't? They start at 5(average) and go up to 10

>>52933254
Shove some special magic qualities on that thing. As long as they aren't AC bonuses, you get them even on turns you're attacking. Also, Bucklers can be spellscribed for up to third level spells if you're into that sort of thing.

>>52933338
What the fuck are you talking about? The average was 5 and the cap was 10.

>>52933357
No, he's just flat out wrong

>>52933344
I hope someone answers you because I'd like to know as well.

>fiddling with making a sorcerer.
>want to be fun, decide on maestro bloodline. >http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines-from-paizo/maestro-bloodline/
>gains spelsong as a bonus feat.
>can't take it without bardic performance.
>can't even use it without dipping into bard or skald.

Is there something I'm missing here with This? Do I get to ignore the need of bardic performance or what?

>>52933344
>feat for a measly +2 AC
No unless this is going to be a really low level game and you have a glut of feats.

>>52933344
Depends, but generally no.

>>52933386
you can VMC bard i guess i dunno maestro is weird

No wait, I'm mixing up with Tactics where other races had higher maximums.

Ignore me, I'm retarded.

I may have also abused Gifted way too much

>>52931415
They aren't very good at their gimmick of casts spells and fighting fools. Later hybrids do the 6-caster mix better, the Paladin does fighting fools better, and Bards/divine full casters do the 3/4ths BAB casting spells thing better.

Their damage comes from fishing for critical hits with a very specific set of spells or gimmicking a pounce with their Flurry of Blows alike. They take forever to get better casting armor proficiency than a Bard, much less a Cleric or Druid, their spell list isn't great as far as 6-casters go, and they have a very narrow workable niche that requires fiddling with awkward mechanics to work.

They're beloved because people like Gishes, but are probably the weakest arcane caster in the game.

>>52933392
>>52933397

What about Fiendish Resilience?

>Prerequisites: Dex 13, evasion class feature, tiefling.

>Benefit: Choose one of the following energy types that you have resistance to: cold, electricity, or fire. Anytime you make a Reflex saving throw against an attack that deals the selected type of energy damage and is subject to your evasion class feature, you gain a +4 competence bonus on the save.

>Special: You can take this feat multiple times. Each time you take it, you select a different qualifying energy type.

>>52933398
It looks like they're the weird ones, yeah. But damnit, I love me my sonic spells.

>>52933344
It's not abysmal at low (1-3) levels, but after that it's a joke. I've heard that some GMs use it as a prereq for a homebrew Tiefling version of the Angel Wings feat, but haven't actually encountered that yet.

>>52933421
Also not really worth it. If you're getting Evasion than you shouldn't have trouble with those saves anyway.

>>52933421
Lightning reflexes is +2 and applies to all reflex saves. Unless you know you're going to be facing lots of enemies hurling fireballs at you, I'd give that one a pass as well.

>>52933342

>Branwen 6.76
>Andrik 6.24
>Antoinette 6.49
>Viviana 6.4
>Kyras 7.11
>Franze 6.26

So, in order of Best At Sex, we have,
>Kyras > Branwen > Antoinette > Viviana > Franze > Andrik

>>52933342
>>52933229
>>52933190
Alrighty, so let's see how good the Blingmaker crew is in bed.
To explain my results, I converted things roughly into Fallout's scale--10-11 is 5, with things being about 1 point lower or higher for every 2 points they are in Pathfinder, the exceptions being 17 is 9 and 18 is 10.

Kyras was the only standout with a Sex score of 7, while everyone else had a Sex score of 6. Pretty much anyone who didn't bump up Charisma had good enough Dex, at least, to make up for it, and the tendency of /pfg/ players to bump Con up to at least 14 means that pretty much everyone would have good Endurance.

But sadly, none of them are good enough to be porn stars. Maybe Kyras if he wins a tournament and takes Kama Sutra Master to gain the hidden bonuses, but that's doubtful, he's feat-starved enough already.

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>>52933524
>>52933491

>mfw all the girls have a go at Kyras after one of them boasts about his abyssal lance

>>52933491
What formula did you use? The one presented should give way more than 6s with PF numbers. Did you divide by 200 instead of 100?

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>>52933190
>>52933229
>>52933491
>>52933524

So, can you bring padded and breastplate armor at the same time? If you say "I remove your breastplate", can you say that you are wearing (as people did) padded armour underneath?

>>52933553

I divided all of their attributes by 2 and followed the formula, with CH as CHA, EN as CON, AG as DEX and ST as STR.

>>52933524
Notably one thing missing from that formula above that I should have mentioned is a flat bonus after calculation of stats if you have the Sex Appeal trait. I don't know how big that bonus is, though.

>>52933573
>So, can you bring padded and breastplate armor at the same time?

It's generally assumed, especially with the heavier armors, that people are wearing stuff underneath them, yes. Your DM would have to be a jerk to say you aren't wearing a gambeson under your breastplate or full suit.

>>52933557
These people killed all possible enjoyment of RotJR, why shouldn't they do so for Blingmaker?

>>52933589
Kama Sutra Master gives +2, Sex Appeal gives +1, and Sex God (which may or may not actually exist without a patch) also gives +2.

You're also supposed to have 8 in both Agility and Endurance, as well as 9 in Charisma--to Dex 16+, Con 16+, and 17 Charisma by my reckoning--but you can avoid those requirements if you're a prizefighter or a made man.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_Globes

>>52933575
>>52933524
So what would a stat line of 10 str, 18 dex, 14 con, and 18 cha be?

>>52933625

I'm getting around 8.1, which is incredible.

>>52933104
>>52933215
It kinda sucks in a way. Killing a demon lord almost feels like it wouldn't matter in the long run because there are tons of others and new ones every now and again, besides they just kinda sit there and dont do much anyways.

>>52933640
Presumably the final number is based roughly on the same scale of 1 to 10 for stats in fallout, with 5 being average and 10 being one of the best in the world.

So yeah that would be amazing.

>>52933686
>>52933640
And the minimum requirement for being a porn star in New Reno is 9. Which is fucking insane.

>>52933695

Considering the amount of wild, quasi-legal sex that's going on in the Wasteland, you'd only want to watch the best.

>>52933625

What character is this, by the way?

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>>52933672

You gotta admit that slaying Demon Lords wouldn't be a good way to pass the time as an end-game Crusader trying to stabilize the Abyss... Or keep it in enough chaos that it can't bother the upper planes.

>>52933717
It may or may not be Olivia

>>52933742

Productive? No. But fun? Certainly.

I'm looking at making a hurling barbarian, but I've got a couple questions.

>Is there a feat that lets you use strength to throwing?
>Is there a feat that lets you throw things farther than ten feet?
>Elephant Totem (heroes of the jade oath) rage power gives you size bonuses to CMB, CMD, and while in a rage, you are able to wield weapons one size larger than normal. Does this mean, if I were a large-sized barbarian, could I pick up and throw a large-sized rock, or two medium-sized rocks?
>The Greater Hurling rage power allows me to throw rocks at a distance of thirty feet, or throw a large-sized rock ten feet. Can I take a middle ground, where I can throw a medium-sized rock twenty feet?

>>52933742
>stabilize

Does it count as stabilized if you kill 99% of everything and create an organization dedicated to keeping the remaining 1% from gaining any power?

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Is there any way for a human to wield more than two weapons? 1pp preferred, but 3pp allowed.

>>52933742
Oh yeah in universe its a massive feat with crazy implications no doubt, it's just that because the books don't go out of there way to explain all the things they do it feels weird because as far as we know the demon lords are just sitting on their asses. Though I guess thats really the domain of the GM, showing all the crazy evil things they do and how you made the world a better place and so on.

>>52933802

Are you in an area where technological equipment makes sense?

>>52933802

I think most of the options involve growing new limbs.

>>52933802
Aegis
DSP has a feat that lets you do so if you get a bite attack.

I know conventional "tanking" isn't really a thing in Pathfinder, but are there any resources for someone looking to play a beefy frontliner that's hard to kill?

Also, are there any feats, traits, etc. that can force enemies to attack my character instead of an ally?

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>>52929879
Volley Marksman, Kaigun Archetype. Dual Revolvers, with psionic powers like Offensive Prescience and Bolt, along with deadeye shot, I could get 1d8+19 per shot, and when I crit it became crazy. I got the build banned.

Btw, hi guys.

>>52933802
Synth summoner or aegis

>>52933833
w a r d e r

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>>52933807

How many Demon Lords has Nocticula killed, anyway? Seven? A Mortal going around like some sort of Abysswalker (check out his puppy) would acquire quite the legend!

>>52933794

It's the Abyss, anon. Reducing the population to 1% of its current size would take an exceedingly long time, even with friends.

>>52933855

You don't get to bring friends.

>>52933850
My group doesn't play with PoW, unfortunately.

>>52933814
Yeah.

>>52933822
What are the ways I could go about doing that?

>>52933830
>>52933844
Thanks, I'll look into these.

>>52933833
Stand Still is good. Get you some reach and become The Wall.

>>52933833

Paladins are ridiculously tough to disable or kill pretty much out of the box. Barbarians can get pretty damn tanky with the right options, too.

As for protecting someone else, you might look into the High Guardian Fighter archetype. You get to designate someone as your "charge", and you get free protective abilities that let you take the bullet for them (in addition to STR-based Combat Reflexes, so you can absolutely shut down people who try to move past you).

>>52933879
>Yeah.

There's an artifact in Book 6 of Iron Gods that gives you two extra arms.

>>52933833
Fey Foundling / Greater Mercy paladin is pretty unkillable

>>52933879

Alchemist discoveries are one option, either through a dip in the class or through an archetype that allows them, like Mutation Warrior.

>>52933833
The stonelord paladin trades a lot of its magic and divine stuff in exchange for armour bonuses, bonuses to bull rushes and trips, and very nice DR scaling. Along with increasing immunities to things, he gets pretty goddamn hard to kill.

>>52933902
There's also the Furious Guardian prestige class which meshes well with Barbs.

Most of drawing attention to yourself is about how the character is played rather than built, though. For dumb or mindless enemies it's usually enough to stand in the front lines and shove an axe near their faces. For smarter or more numerous enemies, it's best to have lots of tricks up your sleeves that convince your DM that they'll target you. Shoot a Screaming Bolt at the start of combat, for example, and the mooks should be on your ass first and foremost.

>>52933958
Vestigial arm does not allow extra attacks anon.

>>52933229
Going by this calculation, notilca is a 39.26
Gimme a second to go back to that one emperyal lord find their rating.

>>52934008
Now I wonder why I didn't do the obvious thing and find out how good you have to be to be better than a succubus.

>>52933945
Out of curiosity, does Fey Foundling work with any of the healing Alchemists can do?

>>52933753
I want Olivia to step on me.

>>52934008
Ashire comes in a touch below at 37.97

>>52934032

Friendly reminder that Arueshalae has modified stats that make her ALMOST as good at sex and romance as Nocticula.

If I recall, their Charisma score is only +2/+4 off.

>>52934006

No, but it lets you hold a weapon.

>>52933833
From what I can think of Primalist Destined Bloodrager is the most tanky due to a combination of their luck bonus saves, superstition, and the rest. Even more so if you drip 2 levels into paladin.

>>52934057
What sort of heroic deeds should I do to get her to sit on me

>>52933802
Fuckin saved

>>52934102

Zhe's the deity of sex and sexual liberation, anon. You don't need to do much.

Now, Iomedae on the other hand, you might have to kill a Demon Lord to get her calling for you to come hither.

>>52934032
If we half every statistic of the CR 7 succubus (6.5 str, 8.5 agi, 10 end, 13.5 cha) and assume no traits (in this case, that is probably represented by their insane charisma anyway) then the average succubi is a 11.135. Seems about right.

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So a friend of mine called my setting edgy, I am wondering about opinions from here. The basic ideas are:

>the major conflict of the setting is the struggles between different demigods for dominance
>these demigods form a vast patchwork of religions, sometimes banding together into pantheons or groups of saints, but often enough leading tiny cults in the middle of nowhere
>all demigods for dominance require 'consumption', a basic means of gaining power
>the form of their consumption is based on their nature, and may be directly eating flesh, carnal relations, witnesses sacrifice, or more
>all require the demigod to be in proximity, so 'consumption' when they are not there is for the most part pointless
>these demigods slowly ascend to godhood, leaving the mortal coil
>after ascension they are generally gone from the world and no longer power clerics, what happens upon ascension is generally a secret and has as many false explanations as one can count
>what is known is that upon starting on the road to ascension ever demigod receives a vision that they are unable to share any detail of
>most normal mortals live with demigods as their heads of state, or if not ruling directly they rule from the shadows

Is toughness actually good, or is it a noob trap?

As a new player, it seems strong to me, but I'm worried it'll delay the rest of the feats I want to take to the point where I would regret taking it.

I call dibs on making the next thread.

>>52934283
Depends on who you are. If you're a d10 or d12 HD class you probably done need it. If you're a d6 HD class and never expect to touch melee it won't be enough to save you if someone face presses you. If you're a d8 HD class and expect to see melee combat then you might want to consider it.

>>52934283
The only characters I can see using it are d8 HD front-liners.

>>52934283
It's useful early on if you're a spellcaster or just have low Con, but some players I've gamed with retrain it by level five.

I mean, some classes could use all the help they can get with health, like barbarians or monks.

>>52934258
That sounds fine honestly your friend is a retard.

>>52934304
That's not a thing, anon.

>>52934258
>the form of their consumption is based on their nature, and may be directly eating flesh, carnal relations, witnesses sacrifice, or more
Why is every demigod fucking evil?
>what is known is that upon starting on the road to ascension ever demigod receives a vision that they are unable to share any detail of
Don't make details of your settings which are god-magiced away from entering the player perspective. Something like
>demigods receive a vision of knowledge which they guard closely. Should their secret be discovered, another demigod or even mortal could exploit it to destroy them.

Is there any way to get an extra feat at 1st level without being a human or a fighter?

>>52934350
>Why is every demigod fucking evil?
>What are ancient myths and legends
Gods are assholes.

>>52934258
I don't really see what's edgy about it. "Bad guys in power do stereotypical bad guy demon things" just means you have some shit to crusade against. How you handle the tone while playing would determine if it's edgy.

>>52934258
It's edgy. You need to make the sacrifices more generic

>>52934374
No. Fuck you.

>>52934374
Be a monk.

How many of you actually read the PLD logs?

Theyre in post processing

>>52934474
there is no need to be upset

>>52934547
Literally nobody.

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>>52934587
Well of course nobody reads the PLD logs, he played the main character in one of them.

>>52934547
No one cares Vult. Either post them or don't, stop attention whoring.

>>52934350
>Why is every demigod fucking evil?
Not all of them are. Others are more basic stuff like eating large amounts of grain, or the writing of books in their presence, or witnessing duels.

>>52934436
But the sacrifices are as different as the deities are. For instance there is a demigod of art who needs to capture beauty in paintings and thus brings models from far and wide to paint and that's its form of consumption.

>>52934547
Of the not-smut?

I would read it if I knew it existed.

>>52934620
I propose we ignore early threads regardless of whether they have an anime OP or not.

>>52934620
Page fucking 6.

>>52934374
Major drawbacks, if your GM is extremely generous.

>>52934620
P A G E 6
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G E 6 P A
E 6 P A G
6 P A G E

>>52934637
Vult is asking because as a player I've said 'only post the logs if there's sincere interest, because if there isn't any then it just looks like an attention grab to always do it'

I suppose there's no easy way to gauge anonymous interest, though

>>52934672
That's third party, right?

>>52934688
that's actually well done. bravo

>>52934694
I will read literally any log that is posted. I enjoy all of them one way or another.

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>>52934735
As a log connoisseur, which game has the best logs?
Have any logs been particularly standout?

>>52933785
Reroll.

>>52934547
I read the first Cashmere logs and don't have the bon bon ones despite wanting them.

>>52934816
I feel like there isn't enough to decide something like that, honestly. It's mostly just very short greentexts which is cool but lacks enough context to judge and then smut which is nice but judged differently. Plus I kind of just like everything, which is close to having no standards, the opposite of a connoisseur.

Maybe if there was an easier way to look back on everything I've read I could pick a few that stand out but greentexts are hard to dig in the archives for and there are not that many pastebin'd logs to save.

The characters I like and try to follow the most also only rarely (or never, now) have posts about what's going on with them.