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>>52922540
Where wasp?

>>52922540
I would, but only theoretically. I wouldn't in reality online because I don't want to join a /pfg/ game, I wouldn't in my IRL group because even though they know I'm a furry the furthest I'm willing to push that with them is my Catfolk Paladin whose personality is super stern, and I can't with my usual online group either because they don't play Pathfinder.

Call me Yukko because my life is suffering.

>>52922659

Isn't a wasp demonstrably less furry than a cat, though?

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>>52922540
Werewasp + Ghoran power couple is the new meta, and I hope someone applies to the next lewdgame with it.

p o l i n a t e

What book is this from

>>52922703
True, but if I did play as a wasp I'd have to ham up the bug-ish nature of it and/or weird out all my friends with my freakish knowledge of different animal anatomy.

>>52922703
But it's a lot more fetishy

>>52922748
Bestiary 6

>Werewasp Skinwalker with a big wasp butt

10/10 best thing ever

>>52922540
Honestly, I actually kinda like this art. Paizo has managed to avoid "generic furry face"-itis for most art of this kind of thing, which I like. Anybody else got examples of surprisingly decent Paizo art?

>>52922770
>no skinwalker heritages for all the werebugs

SUFFERING

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>>52922778
Art thread

>>52922812
Not to hard to homebrew, though.

How do you raise up your own army and keep it for yourself?

What sort of a campaign would you guys like to play? We already have one about being evil and another about making money. Anything else you would be interested in?

>>52922762

As long as you're not going on about your dick, I don't really see how that would be an issue.

>>52922765

I mean, is it though? Admittedly, I don't really know what people are into, but "giant wasp" doesn't seem too bad.

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>>52922540
Is there a template for this?

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How would you build him?

Poison, crossbow, ranged sneak attack... I can't wait to hear all about how useless he's going to be.

>>52922848

See
>>52914413
>>52914427

>>52922898

Admittedly, I don't know much about poison builds. Some kind of slayer/toxicant alchemist gestalt?

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>>52922835
By making it undead.

You can also make a were-wasp, but make an Emerald Cockroach Wasp and have it be a commander.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_cockroach_wasp

>>52922846
Maybe I'm just oversensitive to the thought of my IRL friends thinking I'm some kind of pervert, though I suppose almost nothing I do can be worse than what one of our other friends who sometimes joins can be like, in one of the last games we played in The Unlucky Red Chair she joked that another PC's young daughter was getting some dick from the fellow orphans you rescue early in Book 1.

>>52922898
There's a thing you can do with Alchemists that allows them to infuse their bombs into their ammunition, it's pretty good IMO.

>>52922929
Undead bugs are an untapped market and that makes me sad.

>>52922838

Romance of Three kingdoms style. Empire has been slowly dying from inside for a generation. A corrupt cliche takes over, rebellion ensues. Corrupt and incompetent tyrant takes the helm, former factions that made the rebellion split up and rebel again. Tyrant dies, but it is no over, now it is a scramble for power and forge their own fiefdom/kingdoms/empires.Two generations later, the Empire is gone, the dynasty extinct, and a new empire has risen up from the ashes from the most unlikely candidate and later newcomer faction.

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>>52922540
>Were-wasp
>Not CE
This is one of the few situations when I'd allow our cleric of Asmodeus work his LE magic without recourse. Wasps are horrible creatures that need to die.

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>>52922946
We Terra ForMars now.

Qlippoth and Qlippoth lords when?

>>52922928
To be fair, does anyone know anything about poison builds? I don't think Paizo even wants them to exist.

>>52922946
This could work, but I can't think of any ways to mitigate how awful crossbows are.

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http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/scaling-magic-items/

>Spectacles of Thought-Seeing

>Price 3,600 gp; Slot eyes CL 7th; Weight —; Aura moderate divination; Scaling prize

>The wearer of these ornate crystal lenses gains a +6 competence bonus on Sense Motive checks. When she uses Sense Motive to determine whether someone is lying to her, she gets a brief flash of the liar’s thoughts at that instant.

How exactly do these work? Does the brief flash apply whether or not the Sense Motive check is successful?

If a +6 competence bonus to a skill item is normally worth 3,600 gp, how is this item not strictly better?

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Can a humble/poor and kind young priestess become a masterful schemer? How would you roleplay it.

>>52922540
>>52922904
Currently sorting through the thread, is there a mass download/pdf put together yet?

Reminder that Mooncursed Barbarian is worn out trash, and Beastkin is where it's at.

>>52922996
>TFW SotJRDM has Valeriya get stung by an emerald cockroach werewasp just to keep up with the /pfg/ metameme

>>52923217

I haven't seen Beastkin. What's the difference?

>>52923059
As written, yes you get the flash no matter the result.
And no, they're straight-up better than they should be at that price but the GM is supposed to stiff you on treasure for having them.

>>52923246
>Trade rage for shitty beast shape that runs off of rage rounds
>Also can go anthro because ???
>Meanwhile Beastkin trades out fast movement for the ability to pick several animals as you level
>Also only trades out rage powers in order to get beast shape during rage, meaning it stacks into your normal rage
>And Beastkin can be combined with Invulnerable Barbarian

Are your cities and towns pristine, or is are they overflowing with crap, cholera, dysentery, typhus and disease in general?

>>52923337
>crap, cholera, dysentery, typhus and disease in general?
oh silly anon, the middle ages were a time of enlightenment!

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What would a Lawful Neutral Cleric of Zon-Kuthon's reasoning be? How do you reconcile Pain, Envy, Loss, and Darkness ( C R A W L I N G I N M Y S K I N ) with out being an evil shit?

Where are the review anons from last night?

>>52923337

That pretty much describe all of urban history until very, very modern times. Also horses are more contaminant than cars (all that excrement).

>>52923373
Consent

>>52923395
there were some exceptions, but they are not very well known. In particular certain jewish communities were very clean and put a lot of effort into making sure sanitation and clean water were available.

>>52923373

>Life is filled with pain, envy, loss, and darkness
>But my parents are kicking me out, so I need to get a job

So my friends and I are playing Wrath of Winter, and I have to say that bit where your party is tasked with being Heralds is really cool, especially since you get +2 to a random stat of your choosing just for saying yes. As a GM myself, what are your thoughts on giving players permanent upgrades in exchange for dedicating their characters to serving a cause?

>>52923375
I'm around, but I think the review anon who showed up after I went to sleep did a better job of it than myself. We don't really need two reviews for each app.

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ABA-DABBA-DOO!

>>52923448
Does Golarian allow lip service clerics? I know they don't allow clerics with ideals.

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>>52923482

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>>52922540
>faint, humming timbre in their voices

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>>52922540
>werewasp

IT BEGINS

THE RECKONING OF OUR TIME

>>52923373
Come to think of it, why is Z-K LE anyway? From what I've read, he'd be better off as NE, to better contrast with Shelyn and fit his sheer malevolence. The only reason I can see him being LE is because he's so far gone that he barely knows right from wrong, which is still a stretch.

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>>52923337
They're as clean as they can be - which is to say, cleaner than you'd think, but less clean than you'd hope.

Magic helps, but wizards are not sanitation workers and do not intend to be.

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>>52923628
You have no idea.

>>52923640
Move Zon-Zon to NE, and move Urgathoa to LE.

Thoughts?

>>52923662

NEW LONDO WATER PARK OPENS TODAY!

>>52923681
Both seem NE to me

>>52923695
Then move Norgorber! We have to move a Major Deity to replace Zon-Zon!

>>52923640
Discipline and hierarchy are extremely important in Zon's faith. Himself and his followers follow a creed towards some hidden goal obsessively, he's arguably got a more lawful church than Asmodeus, God of Contracts for how little self is involved.

>>52923736
We don't though?
LE has all the devils in hell

>>52923798
Doesn't matter. Major Deities are a big enough deal for LE to need another one.

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this thread is too slow

I just wanna talk about pathfinder

I'm so lonely

>>52923904
>>52923464
We could talk about that if you want.

>>52923904
I don't have much to talk about beyond my ongoing attempts at balancing something that probably can't be balanced while being kept interesting.

>>52923904
Then lets talk Pathfinder friend anon!

What are you working on currently, if anything? I am making a Were-Wasp Alchemist based around poisons!

>>52923464
I really like this idea because it commits them to something, which is nice, plus they view it as free stuff if they're good sports about it, and free stuff is always great.

>>52923904
Want to talk about homebrew?

I'm working on a magic system myself!

>>52923916
As a player I think it's a neat idea but I don't really know anything about game balance from a DM perspective.

If it'll make the game more fun for your players without breaking your game, I say go for it.

>>52923924
What are you trying to balance?

>>52923934
I am also trying to come up with a worthwhile poison build. I've read a bunch of guides and resources but even the most optimized builds seem really useless compared to... just about anything else. It's really sad, I usually love trying to come up with weird gimmick builds but with poison it always feels like there's nothing I can do to make it any good.

>>52923949
I've never played with homebrew. I always been interested in the idea but none of my groups have ever been open to it. Most of the people I play with have had bad experiences with totally broken homebrew stuff, so I guess it makes sense.

Any chance of Starfinder leaks?

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>>52923904
I had every intention of starting a Pathfinder / Forgotten Realms game this weekend, but someone at work got fired so I have to cover his shift. I'll have to cover his shifts for a long time.

It was going to have PoW and psionics, but start in 1369 DR.

>>52924000

Not currently-book isn't out until August. We have gotten a few tidbits and details from the devs, though; is there something specific you're wondering about?

>>52924033
That sounds like a fun campaign. I've always liked the Forgotten Realms setting but it seems so rare that people set their campaigns there these days.

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>>52923924
>>52923998
Medusa as a basic player race. Fluffwise they're cursed Elves, crunchwise they've got bonuses to Dex and Con and a penalty to Int, +3 natural armour, all-around vision w. +4 perception, aaaaand...
the gaze attack.
It's such a core part of the thematic draw of the medusa, but obviously giving a save or die ability as a racial isn't going to work. I've thought of uses per day, but that's always struck me as such a stale system, I prefer something that lets characters try to push themselves at some risk. As such, here's my current iteration of the ability:

Basilisk's Cursed Gaze (Su): 30 ft. range. While a Maedu's regular eyes are open, they take 1d6 points of dexterity damage per round as their features begin to calcify and turn to stone, though they may reduce this damage to 1 with a successful Will save (DC = 10 + 1/2 HD + Charisma modifier). Anyone meeting a Maedu's gaze while their eyes are open takes 1d6 points of dexterity damage, and can make a Will save of the same DC to negate the damage. Anyone who's dexterity reaches 0 as a result of this is permanently turned to stone. A Maedu cannot reduce the ability damage taken from using this ability to less than 1.

Thoughts?

>>52924039
>>52924000
Also, some basics will be available June 17 for free:
http://paizo.com/products/btpy9r0o?Starfinder-First-Contact

Basically 12 minor PC races, plus some pieces of rules, plus some basic conversion rules for Starfinder -> Pathfinder.

>>52924065
See DSP's Monster Classes: Harpy, Imp, Medusa for a scaling gaze weapon, by the way.

>>52924056

Fucking Harpers, man.

I prefer dog kobolds.

>>52924118
I felt like I was the only person in the world who thought kobolds were supposed to be dogs. When did this change? Why?

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>>52924056
You missed 4th edition. It turned a lot of people off during the reboot.

Mine would have started in not!Greece during 2nd edition.

Following the roll of years, the enemies would have been Sahaugin, Sparta, Shadovar, wild Dragons, Drow, then not!Vatican.

There would have also been ancient Elven or Psionic ruins. The PCs have to balance homesteading, adventuring, and senate campaigns.

I would have skipped the Spellplague.

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In the current setting I'm doing (same one with Medusas), my Kobold are ninja clans with elemental kung-fu.

What are kobolds like in your settings?

>>52924128
3rd edition.

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Was getting caught part of your plan?

>Offering reviews to other players
>Roll up a guy who by all accounts is completely unsalvagable
>Got /pfg/ breathing down my neck for more reviews
What do

>>52924170
Just be honest. If a nigga's shit, he's shit. Just don't act all high and mighty over it and offer ways to make 'em not shit.

>>52924170
If it's the gnome sorcerer shitposter, just ignore him and pick someone else to review.

>>52924151
When is it not?

>>52924223
What's wrong with gnome sorcerers?

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>>52924170

Close your browser, turn everything off, go to bed, get all warm and comfortable, and fall asleep counting big muscular lion-centaur women.

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How do you take over the kingdom? What strategies would you suggest?

>>52924256
Define kingdom parameters.
Define available resources.

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>>52924133
>http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Kobold

Trapmakers, miners, and guardians of dragon hordes.

>>52924240
first of all
>gnomes

and second of all, it's because that player is an absolute shitter.

>>52924256
Throw a mid to high level PC at it. Next question

>>52924287

Low-born group of adventurers that has successful usurped the guard of a conspiring traitor, his wife, daugthers, and his only heir, and under his nose while burned down his house.

>>52922828
>>52923021
>>52923102
>>52923431
You people are making people accuse me of making these posts.

>>52924291
Seriously, he ate up like a whole half a thread demonstrating willful ignorance of every aspect of Pathfinder, and then started whining whenever someone called him on his shit.

>>52924387
...what posts were those?

>>52924128
Kobolds are only dogs in japan.

The original D&D stuff referred to them as having 'doglike snouts' as a way to describe their head shape.

And Japanese translations meant that japanese people all ended up thinking of them as dogpeople.

Similar thing to Orcs. In Japan, Orcs are pigfaced.

>>52922540
Damn, she's hot. Got any more images?

>>52924428
Nah bro. Check out old Monster Manuals. They've got dogface

>>52924128
OD&D and AD&D kobolds had scales with doglike-shaped muzzles. Japan misinterpreted and made kobolds into dog-people and then that cross-pollinated back across the ocean for a while.

>>52924242
>lion
>hooves

That's silly, why not just make her a wemic?

>>52924256
Depends on how Tippyverse-like the fundamentals of the kingdom are.

So if one were to make a kobold pc, what would the BEST kobold pc be? Gunslinger? Rogue using their racial archtype, snare setter? Ive been reading guides, but they are all awful. Snare setter is awful. Who the hell thought setting traps before opening each door was a good idea.

It doesn't have to be particularly overpowered, were talking kobolds here. I just want something effective enough to be a valued team member, lots of kobold flavor is a plus too.

Ive thought about getting a reliable dragon pistol and using dragons breath ammo as a sort of flame thrower.

>>52924422
Huh. They're gone now.

Someone posted a kobold, said they wanted to fuck it.

Other people posted a bunch of cute kobold gals.

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>>52924302
How do you save an Empire from itself?

Can a party have too many faces?

My group has our first session coming up in a week or so. None of us really communicated what we were doing while we were building our characters so more than half of us ended up making charisma heavy stealth characters.

I know group balance doesn't matter too much, but I'm a little worried that the fact that we're all playing very similar characters (both mechanically and from a roleplaying perspective) might make the game a little boring for everyone.

Nothing is set in stone so far, so I still have time to make a new character if I want to. I just really like the character I've built so I'd rather not have to. That being said, if things aren't going to be any fun for the group I might as well just save the character for another campaign he might fit into and come up with something else to play.

>>52924458
Throw 2 to 5 mid to high level PCs at it. Next question.

>>52924458

Well, for starters, stop using dragons in parades. They keep eating important people.

>>52924453
>Ive thought about getting a reliable dragon pistol and using dragons breath ammo as a sort of flame thrower.

I don't know how viable this is but it sounds fun as fuck.

>>52924422
It was kind of a hilarious punchline when the GM showed up in Discord trying /very/ hard not to talk shit and be civil. Like, you could just imagine his eye twitching as he typed.

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>>52924473
Who is more important than a dragon?

>>52924472
At the empire, or the dragon?

>>52924466
What did your game master describe the game youd be playing as? Thats a big deal when it comes to the type of party you play.

>>52924497
>At the empire, or the dragon?
Either, really.

>>52924445

Counterbalance the horns, maybe?

>>52924453

But anon, Dragon's Breath ammo misfires whenever you roll a one on damage dice. On a 2d6.

>>52924498
We don't actually know anything about it yet.

Knowing the DM it'll be something that will work reasonably well for any sort of party, but I know that's not much information to work with.

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>>52924466
>When the whole party is playing faces

>>52924483
Dc 15 reflex for half damage, 2d6 fire damage, move action to reload which can be reduced with rapid reliad feat. About 4000-5000 gp for the gun and 40gp each per shot. It doesnt scale at all but its funny as hell. RAI if reliable weapon should affect dragons breath ammo.

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>>52924466
Yes, if they're all being played the same way.

If you were trying to have everyone fill a role, you could have had:

Tank - Cavalier or Vanguard Commander (Warlord)
Healer - Oracle or Bard with a wand
Mage - Wilder or Sorcerer
Skillmonkey - Bard

>>52924522
Well, yeah. It entirely depends if the DM will conclude that the reliable prefix reduces the misfire chance on dragons breath rounds. Otherwise it sucks.
>>52924523
Without knowing what sort of game youll be playing, I'd say your game master is gonna have to be quick on his feet to get everyone involved in the game on the level they want to be. Might be time for everyone to come together and talk about what they want to do, exactly.

>>52924583
I only put up with Pathfinder in the hopes of getting a story like this out of it someday.

>>52924151
I know where this is from
and I reread it every so often

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>>52924636
It helps to have the critical hit and fumble decks.

Gimme all the details on tricking out my CMB. Dirty Trick to be specific, I'm working on a theoretical gimmick build.

>>52924583
I don't know how similarly we're all going to end up playing, but if you look at our character sheets it's mostly the same stuff... bluff, diplomacy, sense motive, stealth, similar alignments. Combat stuff is likely to be a little different (sort of), since one of us is playing a ranger, one of us is playing a bard, and I'm playing an oracle with the intrigue mystery. The other two (witch, monk) are different enough that I'm hoping they'll offer some variety, but I haven't seen their sheets so for all I know it could be even more of the same.

>>52924610
I'm sure the DM can handle it, I just don't want to get two sessions in only for everyone to end up wishing they'd played something else.

>>52922996
and then she jobs hard to newly natched nigger roaches that are magically immune to her exact gimmick

How often do you plan backup characters? Only when the game is getting rough for your character? All the time in case the session starts with a scythe confirm?

>>52924786
I have about a thousand characters ready to go at any given time. I don't get to play often but I love building new characters, so it only makes sense that I'd be sitting on a ton of them.

>>52924453
Snare setter is pretty good as long as you don't go overboard on it. Just set up traps whenever the other PCs are setting up buffs.

I'm pretty sure Hidden Blade Snare Setter Unchained Rogue is tier 3, or maybe high tier 4, and it's nicely set up for crossbow sniping using the kobold-specific feats/traits.

>>52924466
"Face" is not really a role in pathfinder because it's so easy for even Charisma dumpers to get into reliable Diplo/Bluff/whatever bonuses

How do you rob a foreign, subversive, and alien religion/cult out of its power and influence?

>>52924830
Well, the majority of my group poured almost all of their resources into social bonuses. Which is fine, I guess. I'm just a little concerned about a lack of variety on the roleplaying end of things.

>>52923539
Context?

>>52924830
It's funny, really--DPS and Face skills seem to be the most common roles people beeline for in /pfg/ games, but they're also the easiest to pull off and the sort of things that literally any character can be good at if they just roleplay a little.

>>52924845
First you win over the women
Then the men follow the women

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>>52924854

>>52924857
Damage is unavoidable because you really don't neeeed anything else on the combat side of the game. It's easy to build and the payoff is good.

Face is the surprise to me. I always want to avoid playing face if I can, but people around here love their CHA scores.

>>52924890
I ment on the genocide thing

>>52924854

Bedrock was built on the ashes of a forest and the people who lived there.

And the Flintstones comic gets into some dark humor now and again.

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>>52924845

Nationalise it.

>>52924896
It's fucking bizarre, really. Everyone keeps trying to make a waifu or husbando based on mechanics by just going all in on Charisma with maybe a token effort towards Con or Dexfagging based on whether they like THICC memes or being slender animu girls.

Whereas the most popular waifus in all the /pfg/ games tend to be girls who dumped Charisma *hard*.

>>52924857
What other roles are there?

I'm not trying to be dense, I'm genuinely curious. I don't think I've ever seen anyone play anything outside of either optimizing for combat or optimizing for roleplaying.

>>52924942
Battlefield control
Buffing
Crafting
Debuffing--and don't you fucking dare give me that argument that BUT DAMAGE IS BEST DEBUFF
Scouting and infiltration--this role can be covered by face skills depending on your ability to plan and think on your feet, but not always

>>52924942
Battlefield control casters aaaaand that's about it as far as the actually relevant stuff goes. I mean after that it's like, sure someone should probably have access to cure light wounds and knowledges but that's such a small investment of effort.

>>52924981
>BUT DAMAGE IS BEST DEBUFF
It literally is

>>52924988
You say that, but when nobody has knowledges, this is what usually happens:
>PCs talk shit about how knowledge is useless
>nobody ever looks for information or inspects anything
>GM has to make NPCs give exposition when nobody knows what's going on
>players shit on GM for railroading because they were too willfully incurious to follow hooks
>nobody is happy

>>52925020
I'm not saying knowledge is useless, I always want knowledges in my group. I'm saying that it takes really little effort to have knowledge options available to you.

Someone is probably making some kind of sacrifice to diplomancer, which they might be happy with if they're already a CHA class or an Investigator, but usually I find groups will just have knowledges available because everyone will have some class skills invested here or there.

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What would the ideal kobold snare setter rogue waifu be like?

>>52924981
I think a lot of these things would be more appealing if they weren't so useless when compared to just nuking everything. I know you're not interested in the "damage is best debuff" argument, but unfortunately that seems to be the case a lot of the time.

I've seen tons of people going around looking for viable poison builds or crafting builds or support builds and they all get shut down almost right away. You have to invest so much for builds like that to function that usually it just feels like less work to just go with an established, optimized damage build.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to play a weird build like that. It's just that when you look at the logistics of it and realize you're going to have to dedicate 100% of your resources to making your character function the way you want it to, it starts to feel like more effort than it's worth. Especially when you could just take ten minutes to throw together a poorly optimized sorcerer or cleric, contribute twice as much both in and out of combat, and still have a ton of wiggle room left over to tweak your character however you want.

>>52925094
This is the real problem with imbalanced options yeah.

I don't care that 2h is more reliable damage than TWF, I care that I have to put all this effort into making TWF workable where-as if I were wielding a greatsword I could start dumping feats on fun little things like a Signature Skill or my choice of combat maneuver.

>>52925064

Ideally, able to read a map so we don't have to backtrack for the sixth time today.

>>52925130
>2hu is more reliable damage than TWF


h e he h e he h e

>>52925008
It is but debuffing is still an important role. A witch with a fast debuffing cycle ensures that the opponent doesn't rocket tag your team.

A properly done witch in the first round gives -6 to hit, roll twice and take worst in 1st round. in the second round it progresses to -10 to hit roll 3 times take worst.

Combats will normally end between rounds 3 and 5.

>>52922540
i can't rationalize how much it triggers me when shit that has no reason or logic for having tits just has tits to cater to degenerates. please die in a fire all of you or something.

>>52924829
Hmm... I guess I could take a second look at how Snare setter works. I've yet to see all the options available to kobold pcs as far as feats and traits go.

>>52925130
It's so depressing, man. I just want to play a poisoner.

In a casual game running an adventure path where we have been told that "killing every NPC you fight will eventually severely restrict your options or possibly break the story" how bad would it be to be a necro-sorcerer and take blindness/deafness at level 4 and permanently blind everything you fight every fight with no intention of obtaining a way to cure them?

People trash on debuffing but I've literally played 3 different games as debuffing/battlefield contol characters and basically ended encounters in a single turn with unlucky saving throws on the enemy.

Funnily enough, every one of those games I played clerics.

>>52925346
Cleric doesn't count.

>>52925346
Nobody thinks battlefield control is bad, there's a common opinion that it's the single strongest role in the game because properly applied, it basically allows you to delete encounters instead of enemies and gives you the versatility not to delete them when you don't want to.

In regards to debuffing, I feel like you might be thinking about save or dies. Those are generally rolled under damage when people're discussing these things since they serve the same purpose. Debuffing in this context refers to intimimancy, maneuvers, and spells that reduce enemy effectiveness. Particularly, it excludes spells that straight up remove enemies from combat.

>>52925400
Actually I greatly despise save or dies, they feel like a cheap solution to a problem that one should only really have access to when it's also cheaply available to res people and remove the negative levels as well.

In terms of debuffing spells I think one of my favorites for a mid-level character is Boneshatter. A horrifying sounding and terrible effect for a spell and it doesn't even have the Evil descriptor to it, plus it doesn't specify that the casts of it don't stack in terms of the fatigue so even if the target does make the save, two hits of Fatigue makes the target exhausted instead in addition to taking absurd amounts of damage, which basically removes you from the encounter without some ability to remove the condition.

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>>52924088
Yes, the Harpers would have been a secret enemy faction later in the campaign.

Bestiary 6 when? I want those quilopth lords man

what do people think about the step up/following step/step up and strike Feat Chain? Is it gud?

Are there any especially broken Core Book builds?

>>52925750
Unless you play with an especially tactically minded GM, it's a better feat chain to have on enemies DESU.

>>52925510
I'm sick of the Harpers. They tried to recruit me but I didn't want to work for them. All they do is complain.

>>52925776
Wizard.

Have they showed anything about Starfinder races?

>>52922540
> "A werewasp in humanoid form will often have two-toned hair color and a faint, humming timbre in their voices"

Would be interested in seeing what an elf looks like with blonde/black hair.
I feel like it'd be pretty jarring.

>>52925812
I'm so sick of their bullshit.

They piss and moan about the environment, but they are the only ones wealthy enough to have access to it!

They drive vermin into the cities and their economies run roughshod over small villages. They keep cities poised towards each other at the edge of a blade!

>>52925885
The Order of the Gauntlet at least gives a shit about people. They provide order and security to those who need it most. They recognize that things are not always so black and white as they are in the Harpers storybook romances.

>>52925851
A lot.

Big standard 'Umies.

SJW Robots who don't need no organics.

Rocket Rodents that should have both them and their players thrown out.

Some 4 armed !elves that remind me of Destiny, the Vidya, and I am intrigued by.

Lizardfolk in SPESSSSSS.

Bug people who thought being part of the hive mind wasn't hip enough for them and have sought out new things to bandwagon

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>Like making builds
>Want to see them in practice
>Don't actually like playing Pathfinder
There's no right solution, just put me down and call me a faggot.

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>>52925885
Every time an empire falls, they were behind it.

They can't let humanity develop too quickly or become to prosperous.

>>52925903
But where are my waifus

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>>52922996

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>>52925959
In time the core races will be supplanted, like kitsune and cats before them. No lizards but dragon girls, nothing but cute robo-waifus, alien bugs more Q-Bee than Kyubey.

The rats I'm certain will stay rats though.

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>>52925959
This is your Waifu for Starfinder

>>52926006
Space Elves
I n e e d them

>>52925951
to the everyday man, the environment is a hazard. All the plains have been settled, all that remains are brambles and old woods too dark to be tamed.

Everyday the natural world creeps into our lives and everyday we must accommodate it. The harpers don't understand this. They have all their servants do all their work for them. All that wealth, all that plunder..

>>52926028
No amount of gold will buy the Harpers sense. They need to shove over and make room in their communities.

>>52926046
Do we not watch our numbers? Do we not let the congregation grow of its own pace? Do us knights cause for holy wars and retribution for past misdeeds done by our fellow kingdoms?

They would have us make peace with Zhentil Keep! Slavers! They would have us make peace with drow and all of underdark if they could!

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>>52925943
With you there, pal.

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>>52925982
There are better girls in that series.

>>52926046
How do you build a Harper hunter?

>>52925943
PM some of your favorites and send them the build?

Gun Training (Ex)

Starting at 5th level, a gunslinger can select one specific type of firearm (such as an axe musket, blunderbuss, musket, or pistol).
She gains a bonus equal to her Dexterity modifier on damage rolls when firing that type of firearm. Furthermore, when she misfires
with that type of firearm, the misfire value of that firearm increases by 2 instead of 4. Every four levels thereafter (9th, 13th, and 17th),
the gunslinger picks up another type of firearm, gaining these bonuses for those types as well.
Trench Warfare (Ex)

Starting at 3rd level, a trench fighter can select one specific type of firearm (such as a machine gun, revolver, or rifle). He gains a bonus equal to his
Dexterity modifier on damage rolls when firing that type of firearm. Every 4 levels thereafter (7th, 11th, and 15th), the trench fighter picks up another type of
firearm, gaining these bonuses for those types as well. Furthermore, when behind partial, normal, or improved cover, a trench fighter gains an additional +2
AC bonus from the cover.


Do these two stack together for 2x Dex to damage?

>>52926224
No.

Untyped bonuses from the same ability score do not stack.

>>52922540
>no skinwalker variants for these new were-monsters

come the FUCK ON

>>52926340
Someone literally already said that

>>52926346
I'm sorry for sharing an opinion with someone? I don't know what else to say.

>>52926346
Be ready for a lot of that the coming weeks.

>>52923373
One of the NPCs in Shattered Star is a LN cleric of Zon-Kuthon. Basically his idea of Khutinism is that Dhoul-Bhral sacrificed himself to save his sister Shellyn for whatever cosmic horror that did fell in love with her.
He is basically a male Satine Phoenix.

So, core builds that don't suck?

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>mfw my foursome scene gets interrupted because the new player tries to rape our ally's spellcaster because he didn't want to vanilla her instead.

>>52926472
what
when
who
what game

>>52923373
The character doesn't have it in them to hurt others but they practice all the non-destructive aspects faithfully. Not necessarily a fetish masochist, but you could play them as as a self-disciplined and depreciative sort that regularly punishes themselves over everything.

>>52926458
wizard, cleric, druid. building a gun and killing yourself.

>>52926500
Level 20 Core Build GO!

>Get into thread
>People talking about lashunta and kasatha as if they were the new thing
>People of the Stars was out three years ago
>Space elves
>Elves confirmed aliens in Distant Worlds
>Published even earlier than People of the Stars
I know people who read did left Pathfinder long ago but now this is ridiculous. You people don't even read the fluff.
I am out for OSR, at least guys there had read the Lord of the Rings than just watching the fucking movies.

>>52923640
Because despite doing a triple twist off the deep end while wearing a strap on, he still maintains his duties from before going full Cenobite such as keeping the staples that hold the planet together in place.
His is a very organized evil with no place for people who are merely indulging themselves (Ala CE) instead of working towards His greater goals.

>>52924923
>Game in which the King absorbs the shit out of all the nations problems by creating off shoot branches and declaring the originals heretics
Best King

>>52926472
Is as easy as cast hold person on the annoying fuck.

>>52926476
A game. Don't worry.

>>52926472
I almost had the queen right where I wanted her. OH WELL! Guess we won't be getting that alliance after all.

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Can you name the organization these just and good characters come from!?

>>52926472
You can't just drop that bomb and then not elaborate.

>>52926624
Was this fucking Dragons2?
Is this really how it all ends?

>>52926631
Hellknight
Red Mantis Assassin
Iron Lesbian

>>52926631
Left to right
>Red Mantis Assassins
>Hellknights
>Lesbian Har-I mean, Gray Maidens

>>52926648
It's not ending! It's just not going to plan!

>>52926639
Watch
Us

>>52926656
You played Curse of the Angry Lesbians too?

>>52926649
I just realized that Faerun doesn't have a knightly order Iron Lesbians for humans.

>>52926649
>>52926656
Really? I played Curse of the Crimson throne and none of this artwork looks familiar.

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>>52926665
>>52926648
Oh fuck is Rory about to pull an IterationDrive?

>>52925249
That's the trick, isn't it? The elf never had tits to begin with more than likely. Master craftsmen, the tit is in the shirt, not on the elf, and was unaffected by the shift.

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>>52926668
As a Charisma based caster.
You'd be shocked, shocked to discover how much an attractive Oracle can get away with when all the guards are emotionally damaged young women who feel no man will ever be attracted to them again.
The Queen made one mistake in her reign and that was not accounting for The Dick.

>>52926648
>Dragons2
Fucking furries.
They are fucking horndogs. Not even a month has passed and they are already doing foursomes during campfire time.

>>52926665
This is fake.
It's the same old "I know something you don't know~" schtick that someone tried to use to ruin pretty much every /pfg/ game in progress for the past month.
But I wouldn't put it past Rory

>>52922904
Wasp, mantis and spiders, do we have beetles?
I must become the kabuto

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>>52926709
Not dragons 2.
It's one of the games whose recruitment for new players passed practically unnoticed (and whose events were storytimed only once).
Pic related

>>52926709
>New player
>No players have dropped from Dragons2

Try harder, anon-kun

>>52926724
Hmmm...
I'm racking my brain, but nothing's coming to me.
Hell's Vengeance?

>>52926724
I am not interested if the game has been running for less than a trimester and the PCs are already doing foursomes.

>>52926744
Game has been running since last year at minimum.

>>52926711
Believe what you will. We're fighting the anti-party now.

>>52926744
So, what's the appropriate time to go for third e-base? Third session? Thirtieth session?

>>52926751
I don't give a fuck.
Going foursome is an outcome that barely has anything to do with character development and should only happen as a plot device as a ritual to stop a supernatural antagonist.

>>52926811
You can't say that for sure! What if it's an important foursome? What if Boy A is in a relationship with Girl B, and Boy C is in a relationship with Girl D but has secretly been in love with B the entire time? Except B is actually in love with D and the foursome is an important part of progressing romantic plotlines and letting B reconcile herself and become a more comfortable character!?

>>52926764
ugh, everything is so boring..

dammit guys, do or say something interesting

>>52926811
>>52926835
you two should get married.

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>>52926811
But what if the character needs the absolute confidence of going beyond the threesome so that he can face the one person that could otherwise render him into a doubtful, weakling mess?
Also, second clue

>>52926835
Well then you probably shouldn't have been dating boys A and C then.

>>52926648
No, all we did in Dragons2 tonight was some cutes, dressup, put a show on as we rolled into Duwwor, worked on a way to uh.. Ingratiate ourself to the locals (12gp a day for a venue like srs), and talked about how to get control of that elixer..

>>52926853
If you need someone to hold your hand while you make love to someone else you probably shouldn't be having sex at all.

>>52926739
Wasn't Hell's Vengance, last session we killed some cultists, Shizuka got a tattoo, most of the party got hit with aboleth mucus, and we're heading to a bath-house so that they don't

ya know

die.

>>52926906
Obviously the love making is what gives them the necessary confidence to hold hands.

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>>52922762

>>52926835
>>52926853
I my Iron Gods game a foursome happened but it was a consequence of the Paranoia the PCs were suffering in the Scar of the Spider thanks to me risi g the nightmare fuel bar.
I made cohorts be turn into flesh puppets by brain devourers, be substituted by plant clones or just harash the expedition with gray aliens teleporting in the middle of the night in the campsite.
Fucking became a way to keep one the another closer as well as to cope with the alien horros in that cursed place.

>>52926906
Not the guy you're replying to but what if a buncha niggas are just cold, own one tent and end up in a cuddle puddle?
For fuck sake man, people have had foursomes in the past in real life, it isn't that fucking unlikely and the players of a game you're not even in don't need to adhere to what you like, you narcissistic cunt.

>>52926936
Orgies are gross.
Trust me I've been to one.

>>52926936
oh right, you're talking about the game.
yeah, no its cool.

I think I really do believe a lot of this shit jewish people believe in, especially about modesty. But you can't just chuck the western classics out the window cause they show nudity.

>>52926962
uh

>>52926962
What thread--no, what BOARD did you think you were posting to?

>>52926941
It takes all sorts to make a world mate.
Personally I'm more of a fan of harems, but hey, whatever floats a persons boat.

>>52926953
Even outside of the game, people that are fucked up need love too mate.
If their significant others are totes down to have someone else in the room holding their hand, that's up to them.

>>52926962
I could believe this is related to the thread.

>>52926932
well, fuck it, if your about to be raped with an ovipositor, you might as well have a go at it.

>>52926962
>>52926965
>>52926971
>>52926981

/tg/ - You don't even need the other boards anymore.

>>52926989
sometimes i forget.

>>52926983
Fun thing you mention ovipositors because I also introduced the xenomorph ripoffs from Horror Adventures.
Dice melted by the amount of sense motive and perception checks done.

>>52926989
Not when you have winners like the post above yours.

I mean, honestly, whats so horrible that you can't bare to look at it? Anything you see is going to be either processed as meaningful information or discarded. If you brain dumps your visual cortex, you won't remember a thing.

What the fuck is going on

>>52927027
Or, you know, it could give you an annurism, make you hysterically blind whenever you see an insect, cause psychosis and whatnot.

>>52927043
Honestly, the only reason some men are so brave is because they have nothing to lose. They can't go back to their homes empty handed.

>>52927034
buzz

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>>52927027
The connection will still be there.

It's like the Far Realm, Xoriat, or failing a Sanity check.

Anyone know where I could get an original Bestiary Box? I have the rest but eBay is empty, and Paizo has had them on backorder since last year...

>>52927213
>Backorder
Don't hold your breath. The bussines policy of Lisa Estevens is too never reprint material so the collectors can especulate. Mainly her.

Which /pfg/ related game is still open for applis so I can pitch a thicc good aligned oracle?
https://youtu.be/NG-_CJzD1Lc

>>52927365
None which that character would fit in.

>>52927411
Whats with evil characters and /pfg/ lately?

>>52927467
Rape.

>>52927484
The one rape game advertised had good party members to be raped, not vice versa!

>>52927484
There needs to be a WotW rape campaign on /pfg/

>>52926711
>Rory
Anon it isn't him this time.

>>52926472
I'm in this game as well. Session just ended. This actually happened.
The new player in question was sitting RIGHT next to a smorgasmbord of willing poon, and he had to try to rape the Queen's bodyguard.

>>52927727
We always desire that which we cannot have. Such is the human nature.

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>literally called an Ero Demon
I'm guessing it's based off Eros, and not エロ/ erotic, but shit son

>>52927793
okay but when can we get a Lawful Evil succubus / erodemon

Is beast VI going into the trove or not

So, we have taken over 200 refugees and 60 soldiers with us on our own initiative. What do we do with them once the primary danger has passed?

>>52927833
Erinyes.
Admittedly you need to wrestle them for it but hey.

Or Handmaiden Devils, if you're willing to kidnap the occasional baby for dinner. Those things really should be demons.

>>52927855
No, Erinyes are specifically NOT lewd, they're hot but that's it.

>>52927850
Context bitch

>>52927861
If your Erinyes aren't lewd then you're not trying hard enough. Think of them as Hentai elves.

>>52927882
Yeah but that's literally not what they are by canon, if we're disregarding the canon I can just make Erodaemons LE

>>52927850
You probably want to get them settled and out of any danger. Get them food, water, and a means of curing disease, etc. Have the soldiers guard the refugees to a safer place.

>>52927861
I always make my Erinyes into fiery but lawyerly-inclined women, wearing just-a-little-too-tight business suits

Overlewd has hit fifty apps. Which are serious? Which are jokes? Why are these faggots not playing lizardfolk and kobolds and drow?

>>52927934
Literally fucking Bane isn't serious that's for sure

>>52922540
>Would you a werewasp?
Has a slim waist, tits, and long legs. As if that were a question.

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So logs when

Anyone have scans of the new Dragons and Wild Hunt beasties in Bestiary 6?

>>52928058
Catmere will be finished up before game time, I think

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More mechanics for polearm users when so swordfags will finally and irrevocably be btfo

>tfw might be about to tpk my party through betrayal
To be fair, Ive told them that someone in this group is their enemy. They're the ones all sleeping in different rooms.

>>52928217

What mechanics could you possibly need? They already have Reach, Brace, Shorten/Lengthen, and half he polearms give Tricks.

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>>52928239
I dunno desu I'm just a spearfag

>>52922967
For any kind of parasitic insect, there is a wasp made to fuck hi shit up.
Wasps (and spiders like the one in your pic) are beneficial animals and our friends.
Yes, they can be deadly, but the cost/benefit ratio is pretty clear.

>>52927793
>>52927833

I thought "great, another succubus but NE".. then I realised this monster is a different beast. The succubus is a perversion/excess of Lust, this one is a perversion/inversion of love and affection.
Is great, and arguably more cruel.
Erynnes have no connection to anything like that, I think, barring perhaps the fact that they are beautiful/angelic.

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>>52927793

>Literally the tfw no gf daemon

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>>52922649
There, wasp.

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>>52928448

The, rewasp.

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Agh, dammit! The more I think on that one campaign idea I mentioned a thread or two back of crusading into the lower planes, the more I'm tempted to actually run it.

I'm going to take a bit to get some setting lore figured out, and also to see if I still want to run it in a week or so. When that's done, who here would actually be interested in a game like that? Yes, lewds allowed, but they won't be the game's focus.

>>52928555

How high-power are you going to make it, Senpai?

What if you made it using the modified Automatic Bonus Progression rules and fluffed the bonuses gained as some sort of burgeoning divine spark, or a blessing, or even just natural skill - ultimately, something the player should fluff in their backstory.

>>52928613
Not sure yet. Early in the campaign I think I might start around level 3 or so just to avoid how lethal level 1 can be, but by the end you'd be fighting the things that rule over those planes (archfiends, demon lords, etc. Not multiple at once, obviously).

I'm debating whether to do Epic level progression or Mythic still. Probably Epic because Mythic can get downright silly. Maybe gestalt? I've never run a gestalt game myself before, how does that affect CR?

Not familiar with the Automatic Bonus Progression rules though, what's the deal there?

>>52928724
>Not familiar with the Automatic Bonus Progression rules though, what's the deal there?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/unchained-rules/automatic-bonus-progression/

Automatic Bonus Progression is a way to acquire the typical stat boosts of magical items without actually having to wear said stat-boosting items. For example, instead of enchanting your suit of armor to a +1 Full Plate, you simply get a +1 AC bonus at level 4.

The system is sincere in what it's trying to fix, but it goes about it the wrong way. It forces you to take Mental Prowess (essentially your belt or headband of attribute boosting) before Physical, for example, and the way Weapon Attunement works denies you the chance to mix up your fighting style (you can only get a Longsword +2, not a Flaming Longsword, for example.)

The fixes commonly listed are thus,
>Players are treated as two levels higher for the purpose of ABP
>Players can choose to receive their Physical Prowess first, or Mental
>Player Attunement is placed into a "pool" rather than hardwired onto the weapon - for example, a player with +2 Weapon Attunement can choose to either make their Longsword a +2 Longsword, or a Flaming Longsword.

>>52928403
I think it's the tfw no bf daemon actually

>>52927793
>charisma drain
>DRAIN
>NOT DAMAGE
o shit

>>52928804
>you can only get a Longsword +2, not a Flaming Longsword, for example
I think when a character with +2 weapon attunement picks up a flaming longsword it becomes +1 flaming longsword. Or some stupid shit like that 'cause iirc you can't have both +10 weapon and +10 armor attunement with that system.

Shilling Spooke's game
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/73938/rhusae

>>52928845
PF Fey and Fiends will fuck your shit up

>>52928845
>forever alone daemon does charisma damage with her tail, making you even more of a massive spaghettifaggot

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>>52928894

Can't drain something that never existed.

Can clerics be the face of the party?

>>52928963
Succubi do it better
DSP monster race for Erodemons when

>>52927793
>1 / day
>utter contempt
>3 / day
>crushing despair
So what, she gets to dump four guys every day?

>>52928963

They can and they often do, if the party lacks a Paladin, Sorcerer or Bard.

You know, I wonder how you could extrapolate the implications of most party faces being holy men or women.

>>52928993
Well presumably most clerics had a stint as a preacher and/or theological debater so...

>>52928985
We should homebrew one
balance doesn't matter anyway after all when it comes to monster classes
what happens if you break the heart of an erodaemon

>>52928804
>>52928849
Hm. I'll give it some thought, like I said it'll probably be a week or so before I make an ad so I've got time to mull things over. Thanks for pointing that out to me though anon.

>>52929026
If I remember correctly, daemons are or used to be formed from NE people that died in some horrible way, spent time in Abbadon being hunted by other daemons, then eventually hardened the fuck up into a daemon that could kill people in the same way they died. So if my reasoning is correct (which it probably isn't), erodaemons are formed from NE no bf/gfs (or maybe people that got cucked) that try to break other people's hearts so they an hero. Or something.

>>52929092
So, what? You can't break their heart because it's already broken or something?

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Maximumsleep hear my cry
If Lucius gets in you have to make his imouto an erodaemon

>>52929109
I'm guessing so. Of course, they're probably too evil to really be affected by it anymore, so you couldn't redeem them with a nice hard hand holding either.

>>52929109
Daemons are literally just killing machines with varying chassis. Each represents a specific way to die. The ultimate goal of Daemons is to KILL EVERYTHING EVER and eat their souls, then kill themselves. They hate everyone, but hate themselves just a bit less, each wants to be the last one to see the end of days. Pretty edgy really.

>>52922540
What are the best classes if I want to be versatile(be useful in nearly all situations on all level ranges)in Society?Like a jack of all trades,master of none kind of deal

>>52929146
*homebrews and DM fiats until erodaemons are fuckable and redeemable*

>>52929150
Bard.

>>52929154
They're fuckable, just not redeemable. :)

>>52929156
Yeah,that's the class that I have in my mind at the moment but want to learn other alternatives first.

>>52929169
*Rule 0's harder*

>>52929169
Ah the joys of planar binding.

Can you Charm an Erodaemon?

>>52928985
Motherfucker, erodaemons aren't new. They were published in 2011. This is just a reprint.

>>52929178
Empiricist Investigator
Properly build Occultist
Properly build Wizard

>>52929251
That has nothing to do with what I asked

>>52929257
>Empiricist Investigator
Seconding that suggestion. Throw on Student of Philosophy and you're a nearly int-SAD buffer and skillmonkey. A bit lacking on direct combat ability, but you more than make up for it with extracts, which you can hand out to allies if you take the Infusion discovery.

>>52929146
What is the difference with Demons, the CE ones?

>>52929400
Demons throw your corpse into the abyss to make more demons! Yay demons!

So how's Swashbuckler?Can you guys go into detail,like how good is one in combat and non-combat situations?

>>52929400
Devils want control. They want to oppress to put their own order to things.

Demons want to break shit, have fun, and screw with people. They delight in subverting things and corrupting everything else - Art? Trash it. Holy man? Make him fall from grace.

Daemons, on the other hand, hate EVERYTHING. The other two fiend types will set aside their differences if they spot a daemon for the express purpose of killing it, before going back to killing each other. Daemons want an end to all things, and are willing to screw over the universe to achieve that, which is bad for everybody who isn't a nihilistic piece of shit.

In theory it's possible to redeem all three - with Devils, they'll never stop wanting order, but you can shift them over to wanting to help people with that order, rather than oppress. With Demons, it's about channeling those destructive impulses into something constructive. Daemons, though, are arguably the hardest; the only way to get destructive nihilists to stop is to make them love the world they're a part of, and thus not want to destroy it.

There's other details, but that's the gist of it.

>>52929479
>In theory it's possible to redeem all three
>redeem
>personifications of evil

The actual factual fuck?

>>52929516
In Pathfinder it requires some god-tier intervention apparently since they're literally made of evil.
You got one good succubus, canonically which required Desna herself to mind-rape a bitch.

>>52929516
I said possible, not in any way fucking likely. As >>52929545 said, it takes some bullshit to happen.

>>52929545
>which required Desna herself to mind-rape a bitch
Are there good gods of mindrape? If not, would earrape work?

>>52928804
It states you can alter the bonuses so that as long as it has a +1 enhancement you may add weapon (or armor) qualities as well. You can also alter your weapon and armor attunement once per day as a free action.

New thread

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>>52929588
Desna's kind of a special case. She plays with things in the Outer Dark a lot.

I ship her and Black Butterfly.

>>52929885
It explicitly states you can find weapons and armor with special qualities. And that using those reduces your attunement value for some reason.

>>52922540
Pdf of Bestiary 6 fucking where?!

>>52925249
The logic is that a werewasp is still half human dipshit. Might as well ask why a werespider still has a dick.