Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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>>52670606
First for the XIVth

>>52670606
So that's a Custodes thread, then. I think. We should really add a number code for over 20 into the OP.

>>52670630
XVIth

D'oh

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WIP marauder chief. I'll probably replace the lascarbine with a pariah bolter once the bits arrive.

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how do you guys do glow effects on your minis?

Pic related isn't mine.

also purpley pink glow effect? Yay or nay.

>>52670655
At least you got it right on the tank itself. Which is pretty nice, by the way. Got any pics of the rest of the army? Luna Wolves often end up looking kind of boring, so I'd be interested to see more.

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>>52670630

>when your greenstuff parchment breaks off the model as soon as you touch it because it hasnt attached itself to the plastic properly

>>52670717
I don't, basically, apart from on the coils of the plasmagun themselves. Which I do in a pretty halfassed way: paint it blue, wash blue, then drybrush white. Works well enough.

>purpley-pink
What legion do you play? Could see it working for some, but definitely not for others.

Trying to get a militia army together, but I know little about 30k, are they any good? how do they work?

I'm doing the standard survivors of the dark age/ warrior elite cheese with a couple S5 laslock grenadiers in rhinos, two max blobs of grenadiers with S4 las rifles, two sets of 3 rapiers, 2 vanilla leman russes, and topped off with a giant blob of 10 AP3 autocannons with my 3++ warlord in it so they don't run away

Is this shit or good?

>>52670720
It's not mine and I don't know who's it is. I saved it because I totally agree with you in that it's a great Luna Wolves scheme that doesn't look bland.

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I wanted to do a diorama of Death Guard from Dusk Raider beginnings through to 40k plague Marine (when they're released)

these are kind of steps 1 through 4. Pre- Mortarion Dusk Raider, Loyalist DG, Traitor DG, late Heresy Death Guard.

the dusk raider is still wet and WIP.

>>52670717
Thin layers of the glow-colour with a little bit of more white paint added to it each time. They key is to stop before you can no longer see the underlaying colour through the glow effect. Because then it just looks lazy and cheap.

>>52670606
Comfy summary, thanks Anon.

>>52670939
No mention of Thunderhawk transporters flying off with the enemy's spartan holding a deathstar sadly.

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>>52670790
Iron Hands. I have two made for other things, but I haven't bought any yet, because I basically want to use MEdusan Immortal bodies heavily with lots of purple wash on the steel bits, and lots of purple pink glow effect. Like they are those cyber mantic undead IH.

>>52670983
THIN YOUR PAINTS

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How do I Imperial Fist?

I chose the Fists for a few reasons. My main force is Night Lords and I wanted something to contrast with them. Fists felt like a good fit: they're bright, shooty, and loyalist where NLs are dark, choppy, and traitor. Also, I found a good tutorial for doing yellow without needing to pull my hair out, so that's a plus.

Using my spare Calth/Prospero bits and FW shoulder pads and other legion upgrades, the core of my army will be three 15-man tactical squads and a pair of veteran squads.
I'm not sure how to kit the veterans (I'm thinking a power fist, missile launcher, and heavy bolter in each?), and I could also use advice on how to expand from there.
Just note that I don't like using named characters, so Siggy, Dorn, and the like are out.

>>52670998
Simmer down princess

>>52670939
Why thank you. I try, since the usual breadanon appears to not be here.

>>52670962

That was thread before last, although if I see skipped summaries in future I'll try to include those threads in mine when I do make one/ Was a hilarious tactic, though. Didn't even need to bend any rules.

>>52671024
Also, does anyone know a good guide for doing marble bases? I want my dudes to be modeled as if they're in the ruins of a temple, with marble (or white stone in general) floors and bits of broken statues all around.

>>52671024
They're not very fun to paint.

You have to be a brain surgeon when doing any washing or black paint because the yellow is just horrible to redo.

>>52671123
Yeah, I know. I'm going to give this method:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qmS9iEWYAk
a try before going deciding, but I feel confident I can pull it off.

>>52670848
Hey those look great! Especially the Dusk Raider and Pre Plague marine.
Too good, in fact. Did you use a filter?

>>52670848
I really like them anon, good work

outside of the charge, is there that much difference between spear and sword/board custodes?

>>52671181
Board and sword custodes get re-rolls to their invulnerable saves and fire overwatch at BS2.

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I want to fluff my Ordo Reductor fleet reasonably, but if they bring Battlefleet Gothic back I obviously want to collect it. Was too late to the party to play the old one, were there Admech ships in it and/or were they any good?

Also, what was the usual size for a reasonable Admech or if theyre not a thing Imperial Navy fleet for regular games, and what different ship types did they have? Would be nice to bring all the different ships in my 30/40k army background into there too.

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>>52671150
You caught me out. I put a sepia filter on to kind of standardise them more. Here's an older photo in their unadjusted colours.

>>52671257
>I want to fluff my Ordo Reductor fleet reasonably
Then watch out, Anon. The Ordo Reductor uses Galeass class ships instead of the usual Ark Mechanicum. Source HH5.

>>52671444
Yeah, I saw that bit. IIRC they're basically less well-armed battlecruisers that are way more self-sufficient and have better auxilary facilities, right? Should be doable if they let you put support systems and fighter squadrons on ships, although I have no idea how the dice game worked having only played the Armada vidya.

>>52670983
I heard you used a marker for the white on the bolter, do you mind telling me what it is for my TSons?

>>52671257
There were AdMech ships added later in the game's life, basically Imperial Navy classes plus a dorsal lance. Rules here (see "Ships of Mars"): tinyurl krvjax4 (4chan doesn't like the full link so fill in the gaps yourself).

You can actually get the ships from "Irene ^_^" on Aliexpress. They put BFG ships up on their aliexpress site sometimes, and then they get taken down within hours. Just email them.

>>52671024
Templars are great at assault, one of the best loyalists get. Use them to chop up the enemy's veterans, heavy support squads, destroyers, armor they can bypass and they'll happily do their job with little recourse.

Phalanx warders are.. odd. I only run a single unit, and I make it somewhat pricey with axes. They're effectively t5 most of the match, except the turn they charge, so give them an apothecary and only a small handful of weapons will bypass their fnp. I use them as a reaction unit rather than a proactive unit. Basically they're there to get between deep striking or outflanking units looking to assault something of mine, be it a tank or expensive unit... they're my fire jumpers so to speak.

>>52670848
Why is bottom left blushing

>>52672131
He shy

>>52672137
I feel that

>>52671966
Nice, thanks. Time for a reading session. Perhaps I'll pick up a couple ships just to have, then, given they look kinda fun to build.

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What would the Primarchs do when faced with the King of Space?

I feel like I just had an epiphany as to the best use of a porphyrion: this thing fucking deletes beepboops.

If it can get a large blast over two bots in a unit, with BS5 and twin linked it's fucking trivial to get 8 S10 AP2 hits on a unit of artalax or castellax. It can even fuck over thanatars pretty well and even has a S6 AP4 7" blast template to wipe out thralls.

>>52672463
Roll him up.

40k Thousands Sons player here. Convince me not to buy Calth to make a satanic-themed Word Bearers force

>>52672675
Don't you mean Shaitan?

>>52672675
The dreadnought model in calth is a bit shit.

Er. That's all I can come up with to dissuade you. Sounds like a pretty neat idea to me, all in all.

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>>52672693
I just want to incorporate a lot of Black Mass aesthetic and demonic circles. I just finished new Doom and now I'm hooked on all kinds of occult shit.

>>52672762
Well, in terms of 30k, WB are the way to go. I'm sure other legions will get their daemon allies at some point, but when it comes to just full on "Warp overtake me!" WB is your legion. What else would you expect from a legion whose dudes have scripture tattooed on their faces, whose armour got runic carvings all over them and whose transfer sheets are covered in litanies?

>>52670630
>Putting the raptor Imperialis on their tanks

Wouldn't this be against the rules I think only Custodes and Sisters are allowed to wear it

>>52673113
Nah, it's not an uncommon piece of heraldry among the legions. It shows someone that fought in the unification wars of Terra/the Sol system, or alongside Emps.

>>52673113
>only Custodes and Sisters
>while art and models have it plastered all across them

Tell me again how non-EC aquilas are not 30k.

>>52672463
Rough him up.
Emperors > Kings.

>>52670630
The melta-barrels sticking in the doors are unpainted.

REEEE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBkWhkAZ9ds EEEEE

>otherwise nice paintjob though

>>52670630
>XVIth Legion
>Luna Wolves
Ahh yis, good work brother anon

>>52670630
That sort of color modulation seems to be the best way to make white look good on vehicles, whether it's realistic or not. I'd better figure out how to do it before I start my Scars.

>black legion ordered to repaint their armour by Abaddon "because of the shame of losing"
>new scheme is black with gold edging
>justaerin scheme was always black with gold edging
Abaddon is just a lazy bastard, didn't want to repaint his armour.

>>52673622
>>black legion ordered to repaint their armour by Abaddon "because of the shame of losing"
I doubt it, traitors have no shame.

>>52673584
You could always do the old turquoise and yellow """camouflage""" scheme

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>>52673660
>>52673584
It's this if you care

>>52673655
The shame of having no arms you silly.

>>52673660
Isn't that what Brits had on their tanks in North Africa?

>>52673622
>change colors because "shame of losing"

So why haven't they been every color ever by M41?

>>52673749
Its pretty good in deserts but the thought of a giant riding on a bike all in white decapitating your leader while a rhino hides back trying to not get shot at if funny to me

>>52673723

Wow such vomit.

>>52673584
It gives the white depth, almost as though you were looking upon it with a low sun. Otherwise white looks very flat.

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>>52673803

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>>52673803
Well you know who to complain to

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>>52673749
You're thinking of caunter camo, which was more like tan and a few shades of gray (but in long lines with straight edges down the length of the tanks). At least one of those shades would fade to a bluish color in strong UV light, leading people decades later to mistakenly believe that the original color was bright blue.

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So how best to represent the fancy sensor and communication array that lets the Whalebird call down Orbital Strikes? Big fancy Damocles Rhino radar dish? Whole bunch of antenna? Honestly not sure, since I feel having a random dish on top of the head would look a little silly.

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Why didn't the emperor make the most competent and smartest primarch warmaster?

>>52674016
>I feel having a random dish on top of the head would look a little silly
Well, we can't have anything looking silly on our flying mechanical whale transport festooned with guns and skulls, can we?

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>>52674031
Yeah, don't know why either. Guilliman knew that he had to make Sanguinius emperor for Imperium Secundus.

>>52673819
>>52673826
>>52673948

All White Scars vehicles should be red by default, by virtue of making them go faster.

>>52674031
Probably because the Emperor didn't think the other primarchs would listen to Guilliman the way they would to Horus.

I need a deep strike-able unit that can hold the table for at least a turn. What would be the best choice?

I'm thinking of either Jetbikes or Speeder variants because of their speed, but they seem pretty fragile.

>>52674031
Rubbed too many other primarchs the wrong way.

>>52674076
Leviathan.

>>52674031
Horus had the the draw of being the only being in the entire universe that could keep Angron, Curze and Khan in line.

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>>52674016
Kek, so a whalebird isn't silly but a dish antenna coming out its blow hole is? You could use external gills, despite whales not being fish. They look like antennae and wouldn't use up too much internal space.

>>52674054
Yeah, I suppose so. Lost perspective there for a little I:)
I'll see what I can find, since I know MI does a Tarantula platform with a sensor fish on it. May come in handy.

>>52674076

Can you be specific about what you want it to do?

>>52674096
Uh, Deep Strike rule by default, not by having a Drop Pod.

>>52674076
Jetbikes at least have a good armor save. I'd say they're more durable than Javelins (definitely don't use normal Speeders since bolters can shoot them down).

>>52674151

Magnus will last a turn.

>>52674134
Sensor Dish, much as everything else has to be a marine creature of some kind :)

>>52674130

That's a really cool idea, actually, and I know an easy way to make something that would look decent. Mix in a couple more conventional devices for contrast and it'll probably look cool. Much appreciated.

>>52674138
Well, I'm trying to run an Orbital Assault army. Problem is, I may automatically lose if I go second and have no model on the table (due to the drop pods).

So I need a unit that can hold the table for at least one shooting phase before the pods drop in.

And sait unit has to have in-built Deep Strike rule due to OA RoW limitation.

>>52674181
Either external gills or the shiny bait the angler fish has. Or the EMP organ bit the gorilla Kaiju had.

>>52674031
Plenty of the Primarchs hated him. The only one who hated Horus was Corax.

>>52674194
From the Heresy30k forum:
>I've spoken to Andy Hoare and Alan Bligh about this at previous events and Weekenders and they have said it's misprint and should be the same as the BRB and auto-lose at the end of your turn. For some reason the Shadow Wars section in Book 6 has the correction but it is missing from the other game rules.

>>52674218
Ooh, that last one looks cool. Maybe I'll have a hole on the decking and build a little comms tower thing with regular dishes and antenna woven though that kind of thing. Be a good use for the Sector Mechanicus control panel plate.

>>52674194
I still don't believe people are actually retarded enough to try to claim a win halfway through turn 1, pack up, and go home. If someone's turned up at their FLGS for a game, it's just a guess, but they probably want to actually play a game.

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>>52674226

>Plenty of the Primarchs hated him

but why though? were they jealous of his success or something? Guilliman did nothing wrong, in fact he did everything right

>>52674399
Well, I certainly hope no one is such a fag, but you never know and I just want to be safe.

>>52674401
Holier-than-thou dick.

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>>52674401
Girlyman is like the Cyclops of 40k universe.

>>52674031
Too caught up on politics and logistics, and he lacked charisma

>>52674446
I've never seen such an apt description of his character. Well done.

>>52674401
Lorgar hated him for the Monarchia stuff

Angron and Mortarion hated him for having an easy upbringing

Alpharius hated him for their arguments during the Crusade

Dorn and Russ wouldn't have followed him

He wouldn't have been able to control Curze, Perturabo, Lion El'Jonson, or Jaghatai

>>52674401
>got destroyed by worst bearers of all things
>wasn't at terra

He was good, but he was wrong a few times.

>>52674399
>>52674233
The 40k rulebook says you lose at the end of the game turn, never mind that the red book screwed it up.

>>52674401
most priamrchs didn't like him because he was more successful or because they didnt like how he acted better than them when he tried to give them advice

There were only 2 possible choices for Warmaster, Horus and Sanguinius. Nobody else had the charisma to keep the Primarchs in line.

Horus was chosen because he was the senior, or because the Emperor deliberately engineered the Heresy for his own ends

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>>52674401
Suree

>>52674911
>guilliman tries to be nice to one of his autistic brothers for once
>said autistic brother chimps out and shoots up his legion in a surprise attack
yeah he really should have seen that coming

Why the fuck pistols are so expensive again? Surprising that a bolt pitol isn't 5pts upgrade given the other pistols' cost.

>>52674401
He didn't spend time on diplomacy, i.e. getting people to like him. Horus made sure to be everyone's friend and that's not something that happens naturally, it takes time and effort.

Guilliman was the man to run an empire, but Horus was the only real choice for running a group of primarchs.

>>52674885
Didn't Bob thought top contenders are Lion and Horus? Only 2 above him.

>>52674985
>Surprising that a bolt pitol isn't 5pts upgrade given the other pistols' cost.
Because bolt pistols already cost 5pts of the model's base cost. Power armour is the other 5 and the chainaxe is free

>>52672104
Neat. Thanks for the info, anon.

>>52674911
I remember in the book there's WB that subtly tries to warn the UM that they about to get shivved, what happened to that guy

>>52674401
Are there any pictures of those chaos marines from the front? I want to see what their helmets look like from a better angle. It looks like a great colour scheme. Maybe 1k Sons?

>>52675099
The WB and the UM dude were old mates, but during a dinner in a space station, and during a speech about the power of betrayal/or treachery, the WB puts a plasma shot into his head. The first kill of the battle of Calth.

I think the WB dude survived.

Children of Sicarus anyone?

> Power armor
> Can tank even lite anti-tank fires like autocannon pretty well
> Vehicles
> Fucking thicc block of metal explode even from a bolter fire if got hit on its back

Why

>>52675160
What a guy

>>52675007
only at leading armys

>>52675007
Did nails4brains ever want to be the warmaster, I know he had no chance but I don't know if he even would want it

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>>52674446
>>52674456
>>52674480
>>52674911

Jesus why are most of the primarchs such bitter, envious, man children?

pic related, the best primarchs

>>52675298
I'm pretty sure even rowboat thought Monarchia was too harsh and even put more effort into building worlds to compensate for the one he burnt

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>>52675298
Most didn't have proper upbringing and a good childhood. Big E did a shit job with most of them too.

>>52675241
>the only purpose of an engineered weapon

Horus and Lion were the most apt commanders. Horus was the extrovert, Lion the introvert. Sanguinius was close but but was less commander and more warrior. Gulliman was always meant to be the on-deck in-the-wings backup in case shit, which he was and is. But the most talented or skilled? He wasn't by far. Hence the regimented and checked and double checked everything. He had to work really hard to make up for the talent and skill some others had. This often occurs in the real world. There's no shame in it, but it is what it is.

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>>52675415

>But the most talented or skilled? He wasn't by far. Hence the regimented and checked and double checked everything. He had to work really hard to make up for the talent and skill some others had. This often occurs in the real world. There's no shame in it, but it is what it is.

Wow, so Guilliman overcomes his weaknesses through sheer will and an undying loyalty to all of humanity and the emperor? The Imperium doesn't deserve him

>>52675189
You've been asking for five months now. Give it up already and buy the damn thing.

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>>52674179
>>52672675

>>52674987

More like Guilliman didn't give a fuck about your feelings and valued honest talk more than his reputation. If he wants to give you the finger, he'll give you the finger and a 40 page dissertation justifying the finger.

>>52675747
>More like Guilliman didn't give a fuck about your feelings and valued honest talk more than his reputation

You're thinking of Dorn anon. Gulliman did plenty of ass kissing

>>52675561
No, he got an Elf waifu and wanted to clean up the galaxy to make it into a healthy environment for their child to grow up in

>>52675793

Not to people he had disagreements with. The difference between them is Dorn wouldn't even try to make up with you, whereas Guilliman gave you a chance to come around after having an honest talk or confrontation. Guilliman had "vehement" disagreements with Perty, Angron, and Lorgar - but he wouldn't stop talking to them or dismiss them as hopeless. He'll give you a well thought out explanation and come talk to you about it at a later date.

>>52675830
No one really liked Guilliman though. He's in Lion, Perty and Alpharius tier of being unlikable

Last night's official verdict:

>Vulkan: Choccy milk
>Magnus: Strawbee milk
>Guilliman: Nilla milk
>Dorn: Nanner milk
>Khan: Coffee milk
>Lorgar: Caramel milk
>Russ: Whiskey milk
>Fulgrim: Cocaine milk
>Corvus: Milk flavored milk
>Konrad: Blood

>>52675990
>Whiskey milk

Russ confirmed Patrician as fuck

>>52675990
>Konrad: Blood
IIITSSSS GRRRRREAT.

>>52675990
Is Lorgar just milk but with so much nutritional information on it you just gloss over it?

>>52675928

He was an academic, so many of the Primarchs dismissed him as a booknerd who wasn't even worth talking to if he was going to copy their own inventions. Anyone who had any measure of pride would resent him. So that basically meant almost all the Primarchs.

>>52676088
Guilliman wasn't really a book nerd though. The only book nerds were chaos worshiping faggots like Lorgar, Lion and Magnus. They took it to a whole new level of heresy and autism

>>52676122
Guilliman was less of a book nerd and more of a math nerd.

>>52676148

>Guilliman has an MBA

>>52675415
my point was Big G was the best at building empires and being loyal

>>52676173
>Guilliman
>Most loyal

Even Guilliman admits that Russ BTFO's him in the loyalty category and the Emperor agrees

>>52676192
>russ
>loyal
the dude literally disobeyed the emperor

>>52676199
Literally never happened. Support you claims with facts

>>52675415
>>52676173

Horus and Lion had a head start over Guilliman, though. Horus basically sat on daddy's lap for most of the Great Crusade. As far as learning curves go, Guilliman adapted the best of his brothers.

>>52676192
>>52676199

Blind loyalty is still loyalty. Guilliman is willing to question orders and the Emperor's will within reason (or did anyone forget how he personally pleaded with the Emperor to stop Perty from genociding good loyal Astartes veterans).

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>>52676213

>given the edict which says bring Magnus home
>doesn't bring Magnus home

If anything, his refusal to return home to face the Emperor at the victory parade is his own admission of guilt.

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>>52676252
Uh... that quote says that Russ did what he was supposed to do

>>52676252
Nothing in that quote is relevant to anything being said

>>52676288

Lets not go into semantics. Technically, Russ didn't fail his mission because Magnus escaped through arcane means. So legally speaking, he did his duty in that he showed up and did what he was told to do.

But Russ was entirely to blame for the colossal fuckup that we see as the sum of all combat operations on Prospero.

>>52676304

He felt he failed the Emperor. Thats why he didn't come home. He didn't have the heart to meet the Emperor and tell Him what happened.

>>52676354
He holds himself to a high standard. Even though he beat the fuck out of and destroyed Magnus' physical form, he technically escaped so Russ felt bad about that

>>52676393

>He holds himself to a high standard.

The standard was the edict. Horus shenanigans notwithstanding, Russ gave the order to burn the world which lead to the colossal fuckup which was to follow. For a man who was so keen on talking to his fellow Primarch brothers and proving to them his wisdom, he was complete fail from his reputation to his execution.

>>52676440
I'm not sure what you are even trying to say, speak American

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>>52676213
"hey russ we need you at terra"
>leaves terra to go lose to the alpha legion

>>52676440
What did you expect him to do after Magnus stonewalled him. Up to the point of actually shutting down attempts by the surface to communicate with the Censure Host?

>>52676470
Keikaku doori.

t. Alphagon

>>52676470
1. You couldn't have all your forces on Terra, that would be retarded
2. They had to suffer some big defeat to justify their slightly larger than chapter size when the Second Founding begins
3. The Emperor never told Russ to stay on Terra

>>52676499

He should have figured out the high possibility that it was Magnus who sent the defense fleets away and blocked communications. If he was too stupid to figure that out (which I doubt, because the lore is filled with line after line about his strategic genius), Valdor was constantly telling him about it in five minute intervals. The edict said to arrest him and burn down his works, but that didn't necessitate the use of force against the PDF or the population.

And lastly, we're talking about a dude who was willing to wrestle with Angron face to face in front of his retinue, but suddenly hes faced with zero opposition on Prospero and he doesn't want to fly down and see for himself what the fuss was about? (At least before burning everything and forcing everyone on the planet to defend themselves.)

>>52676513

>You're not the Emperor so I'm allowed to act retarded.

The Ruinous Powers didn't even fuck with Russ' fleet because they knew Russ woudl get fucked up. At least in Perty's case, they had to intervene to save his ass from a solarite gauntlet fisting.

>>52676602
Valdor was the one urging him to attack, and his orders did say to kill Magnus

>>52676620

>Valdor was the one urging him to attack

Then my red book obviously has some misprints. What does yours say?

>>52676639
>Red book
Magnus pls

Everyone seems to forget that moment when Russ brings Hawser to him and is like "Magnus please dude just come quietly let me know man." Because he thinks Magnus sent hawser.

Not really his fault.

>>52676639
I think you mean black book. (Yes, Inferno does say that Valdor didn't like the way Russ appeared to be looking for a fight.)

>>52676513
I disagree with point 1; the other three legions did it. For point 2, I think they could have been whittled down during the siege of terra as an explanation, but an Index Astartes article 12+ years ago said that they got BTFO offworld, so FW and BL had to follow that.

>>52676709
>I disagree with point 1; the other three legions did it

Again. Having all your forces on Terra is retarded. Legions like the Wolves and Raven guard would do more good taking the fight to Horus, diverting his reserves and forcing him to guard supply lines. Learn to war and don't ever reply to me again.

>>52676513
>The Emperor never told Russ to stay on Terra
he was literally called back to terra

>>52676872
He went back to Terra you mong. He met Dorn, Malcador, Khan and Loken there before leaving to go fight Horus

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Do daemons summoned in a WB army count as scoring? Are they counted as "taken as troops"? Run into a couple different houserules on it.

>>52676470
They wouldn't be the space wolves if they weren't jobbing or otherwise being fuck ups

>>52676946
Who is your legion? Because unless they are the Luna Wolves, they literally cannot talk shit on the Space Wolves

>>52676945
I would say they are whatever battlefield they normally fill in a list, so if you summon a Bloodthirster then it doesnt score because its an HQ or if you summon daemonettes then they do score because they are troops.

>>52676221
I dunno man. Lion was second place for victories after Horus and he wasn't found until the Crusade was halfway over. Not to mention Alpharius being the last to be found and subsequently pulling the largest legion out of his ass

>>52676981
Alpha Legion. Aka who the Woofs jobbed to

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>>52677051
>Alpha Legion

You and your manlet Primarch can fuck right off lad

>>52676945
Pretty sure there's no consensus on the issue, and naturally FW hasn't said anything. Should be resolved in Angelus.

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>>52676917
>He went back to Terra you mong.
yeah for like 2 seconds to lose at chess to loken and then fuck off to weaken terras defenses in a wild goose chase

funny you say "mong" reminds me of the legion that had to save leman and his retard brigade from the alpha legion
>>52677057
>leman russ
>calling someone else a manlet

So, I bought a set of Lascannons/ML without realizing they were the old style, but I have new style MKIV bodies. Is there any way to make it work, or do I just write them off?

>>52677057
That's a nice fleet you got there. Be a shame if something were to happen to it :^)

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>>52670658
Fellow Blackshield anon.

Thunder Warrior Fag, still here.

I've been lurking, working with green stuff now that the majority of my army is here.

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>>52670658
They need topknots, after that I'll be ready for some resin casting.

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Also, seeing as these are Luna Wolves, anyone have any suggestions for painting bare ceramite?

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This was test one in attempting to recreate that scheme, Mechanicus Standard Gray with Administratum gray highlights?

>>52677301

There's loads of different canon representations of bare ceramite.

1) Stained Porcelain
DG are explicitly stated to be in bare ceramite, with only the green accents painted on.

2) Glossy Grey
See the IH colour plate of the guy who had a mixed Mk.III/IV cuirass; the Mk.IV portions were unpainted and a shiny, almost plastic grey.

3) Matte Grey
Original Legion musters during the Unification Wars and Early Crusade were a uniform "storm grey."

4) Metallic Silver
Fists Exemplar during the Scouring/Beast War did not paint their armour, and it's described multiple times to be "chrome."

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So I ordered some Aetherwings to use as Objective Markers for my Custodes and SoS, and holy SHIT these are massive.

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>>52677301
These are luna wolves.

Bare ceramite is a matte grey.

>>52676620
That's so wrong and I have my copy of Inferno here too.

Valdor hated that Russ was looking for a fight and that it was weird that orders were changed down the line.

Valdor wanted to bring Magnus in and would only kill him as a last resort.

>>52677301

I thought the joke was that bare ceramite was literally the same color as unpainted plastic minis.

>>52677363

How massive? I was thinking about using them as SoS pets for their fast attack squad.

>>52677355
Knight-Errant have bear ceramite (matte grey) and I do believe GK have polished ceramite (silver). GW sells "ceramite white" paint.

How about this:
>ceramite is grey
>it can have an oxide layer of white
>it can be polished to give a reflective, silver grey sheen

Personally, I always thought the DG white was just a primer.

>>52677301
>>52677355
It really depends on two things: what you think ceramite is, and what finishes you think that material will take.

If it's a ceramic, it can contain metals but is non-metallic in appearance.

If it's an alloy, it's more likely to be metallic in appearance.

Ceramics and metals will both accept a variety of finishes, depending on how they're shaped into their final production forms, and how they're treated afterward. You might think of ceramic bowls, for example - earthenware and porcelain are very different materials (and by no means representative of all ceramics - just of the more commonly encountered ones) which will accept a variety of finishes. Commonly, they're finished with a clear glaze, but the natural color of both materials can vary greatly.

With metals, not only does the composition of the alloy make a big difference to refraction and color, but they can be finished in a variety of styles to produce even more results. 'Bare' doesn't mean they can't be polished to a mirror sheen or given a brushed metal look, for example, nor does it give many clues to final color. Power armor is typically said to be composed of ceramite, plasteel and adamantium in varying degrees; plasteel implies steel, but with qualities like those of plastic (any color, really), while adamantium has no real fixed color in mythology (as adamantine).

Later-era fluff has Custodes armor made of Auramite, said to be similar to ceramite but clearly implying gold - Au - so that could be your starting point. Since gold is relatively useless as armor, maybe something gold-en is used in increasing quantities to provide protection differences between ceramite and auramite? A very faint tan wash over bare gunmetal or silver might imply the link.

>>52675298

>that white scar doing the CIA power stance

Thinking about big guys

>>52677541
Perfect scale, but they're SoS sized.

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Do not weep for me, for I am already dead.

3 Custodes MKIIB Land Raiders to primarily use in 40k, but will be allied in to my 30k army.

>>52675330

He thought the entire episode was ridiculous, which is why Calth was supposed to be one big birthday party for Lorgar.

Is there anywhere to get BL novels or audiobooks? They don't appear to be in the MEGA anymore.

By 'SoS sized,' you mean head to base? Head to tail? Or wingspan?

>>52676252
You FUCKING BASTARD. I AM TIRED OF THIS SHIT JUST STOP

MoW which IS THE TRUE CANON says that the Emperor told Horus to give his command to Russ. Horus took the command from the Emperor and changed it before giving it to Russ with the signature of both the Emperor and him as Warmaster. Russ is not accountable for the Emperor trusting Horus as a messenger and warmaster, fucking asshole FW baby.

FW is not canon and will NEVER BE canon.

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>‘Please, sir. They’ll kill us all,’ he said. His voice cracked.

>‘Yes. I expect they will.’ Oquin smiled sadly. ‘A harsh reaction when refusal is given, but far from abnormal in a compliance action. That’s what this is. A compliance for the Warmaster’s new Imperium.’ Oquin deliberately turned his back on Spall. ‘But as I learned when I took part in the slaughter of the Bathranin, Spall, some things are worth more than life. Perhaps worth more than the life of an entire world.

>‘Now, I am going to walk out of that door and give them my answer. Feel free to shoot me in the back. I am confident you won’t. Not if you remember even dimly what we were fighting for.’

>Oquin strode down the gallery, his bearing proud. Spall made a strangled noise in his throat. He kept his gun trained on the governor the whole way. The weapon wavered, his aim blurred by tears.

>He couldn’t do it.

>Mayder Oquin disappeared through the doors.

>Spall was still staring dumbly at his weapon when the din of boltgun fire echoed up the palace halls.

>Sixty-Three Fourteen had replied.

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>>52677261
Nice GS work. What are you using for the bodies? I imagine each suit of armour is almost unique, hand built by the artisans of whatever tribe the Thunder Warrior originally hailed from. You could get away with almost anything if you wanted.

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>>52679574
And here is the text. Now tell me, you sons of bitches, what does it say?

It says that Russ DID NOTHING WRONG. Gonna post this daily here until you bastards get the message.

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Wow Aetherwings are huge. Sister of Silence with a Deimos Rhino as a comparison.

Still have the clean them all.

>>52679767
It's true! My goal is to create 5-10 unique Heads, Torsos, Legs, Arms and shoulder pads as a base line kit. Then start casting.

>>52679574
>>52679805
You sound upset. I think you need a lie down.

>>52680016
Having the same argument over and over does it to you especially when we have lore that settles it once and for all.

>>52675990
>Ferrus Handsman: Motor Oil

>>52680030
If there's one thing we've learned about GW Lore, it's that nothing is ever settled. GW can and will retcon and contradict themselves whenever and wherever they feel like it.

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Incoming!

>>52674401
Corax thought he was ok though. Which is pretty much all you need desu.

On a related note: Is there anywhere that says whether the raven guard had remembrancers during the great crusade? They don't seem like the types to tolerate a bunch of artists tagging along on all their sneaky raids and such.

Which Custodes are considered OP and should be avoided?

>>52680454
Tribune with shield and familiar.

I'm giving mine a paragon spear instead.

>>52680454
Well, it's Praesidium Shield and Familiar with a Solerite Gauntlet or Paragon Spear on a Tribune. The problem is that it's the most points efficient combo in the army.

After that is Achillus Dreadspear spam or spamming Heliothermic Weaponry, but these are considered much lesser.

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>>52676470


>>52675990
>Alpharius: sneke venom

>>52671340
What's wrong with that terminator?

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So my group has decided that Assassins can be used in the normal state for 30k; and while I would love to have them, I kind of want to make a Sisters of Silence equivalent to a Vindicare.

Thinking the Gunmaster's rifle with a little modification could work.

>>52680486
>>52680486
>>52680560

So what HQ should be taken instead? Just a non-tribune shield captain?

>>52680630
The base is too small, otherwise its all good.

Can I make a salamanders list with a lot of flamers and meltas, without spamming rhinos ?

And are pyroclast worth the effort ?

>>52680681
You can still take the shield captain or tribune, just don't go full out WAAC on the wargear.

>>52680681
You just have to avoid the non-sense shield

thinking of allying in an orbital assault with my custodes lists, any suggestions for a fun and fluffy legion that ISNT imperial fists?

>>52680690
Nah, Shield is fine as long as the Familiar isn't stacked with it. Run one or the other unless you want to make a one man rape machine evryone will loathe.

>>52680667
The Empire Handgunner kit comes with a similar long rifle for the champion. Might be a cheaper option just for the rifle.

>>52680703
Hmm....not a bad idea.

>>52680691
I'd say Blood Angels 'cause they like to deep strike and jump units

Or maybe White Scars

Fluff-wise they are both on Terra, fighting alongside the custards

>>52671555
Im going in to work in a few hours. I have the pen there because its great to write on glass. Ill post a photo then. It might be in the next thread by the looks of it.

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>>52680667
This guy's gun could work too, the gun is a bit bit tho

>>52680741
Trimming it back to that first notch seems like a good idea.

>>52679621
I fucking love that story.

>>52680691
I second BAngels.

I hope you plan on deep striking the banana boys too.

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>>52679621
Good short.

>>52680686
Your options are Rhinos, Orbital Assault (drop pods), or Armoured Spearhead (Land Raiders). Salamanders do not work on foot. Sorry.

And no, Pyroclasts are really hard to justify over support tacticals. They only get one attack so they'll shoot then die to a charge the next turn, but they're too expensive to lose like that. Use their models, though.

>>52680691
Raven Guard, they had some golden boys with them after they tried to rebuild their legion with gene-tech, after Isstvan.

>>52680780
Thx for the advices

Are flamers really worth even with the +1S ? My friends run apothecaries in every squads and a lot of flyers... I'm afraid my dream of playing a lot of flamers doesn't work against them...

Graham McNeill sure does love the word "bellicose"

>>52679943
Holy cow that's fuckhuge birds.

Come to think of it, is there any Legion in HH, other than WS and maybe RG, that fielding bird marker/famliar fits fluffwise?

>>52680732
>>52680768
definitely deep striking the banana boys. even adding some sagittarum because the rule of cool > the rules of those bolters. so I can take a day of revelation as an allied detachment right? that would be pretty neat, the only thing I'm set on taking is a 10 man mk3 support squad with volkite chargers in a pod/dreadclaw because I have the models and like how they look.

>>52680897
I mean you can consider Custodes and Sisters to have them, especially since the latter uses them in a squad.

I could imagine Blood Angels and early Emperors Children having them too. Birds of Prey and motifs fit the bill.

How much $ will I need to spend to build a competitive Tahgmata/Cybernetica force? Thinking of about 2000pts.

>>52680897
Caliban Dark Angels were all about hunting and the Ravenwing were the recon and pursuit specialists of the legion so a cyber bird would suit them. There's some 40k art of a Ravenwing Astartes using a cyber bird.

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>>52679805

>It says that Russ DID NOTHING WRONG. Gonna post this daily here until you bastards get the message.

Do any of the BL books deal significantly with Solar Aux or Imperial Army?

>>52681562

>He doesn't want to watch the Primarch angst power hour.

>>52679805
Is that text pic from Inferno?

>>52681591

Nope, not really. Always been Guard or Orks, give roughly zero fucks about power armored faggots whining about the relative strength of their additional plot armor.

>>52681562
Legion, although it's mainly about one specific army regiment rather than the imperial army as a whole. Which rather sums up the problem: the imperial army at this time wasn't anything like as uniform.

Also the Marcus Valarien storyline from the Corax books.

>>52681593
No, it is from Wrath of Magnus. The same book where it becomes clear that SW Runepriests have been channeling what is likely daemonic warp juice from a warp entity imprisoned in Fenris.

Talk about hypocricy huh :^)

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How would have Angron been if he didn't have the Butcher's nails?

Same world and same story but no nails

Angron of the War Hounds

(Im pretty sure he might have joined Horus too, but would have been quite a different story)

>>52681765
>SW use daemon juice for 10K years and aside from a slight corruption in the direction of WOLFWOLFWOLFWOLFWOLF all is well
>TSons don't manage 200 years before shattering their primarch, killing 90% of their legion and turn 90% of what's left into dust bunnies
Huh, turns out Space Wolves are better Psykers than the Thousand Sons. :^)

>>52681812
Pretty similar to Russ.

>>52680180
Wasn't that thing literally cast from lead?

>>52681812
I think Guilliman commented that he would be similar to Sanguinius. Since the War Hounds were very martial and honourable I imagine them like Imperial Fists in spirit and Space Wolves in style.

As for who Angron would declare for if he didn't have the nails I think it would be impossible to say since his anger at the Emperor was from his combined hatred of high riders and the fact that the Emperor kidnapped him from his gladiator pals. Neither of which would have happened if he didn't have the nails.

>>52681812
You almost might as well ask what the two missing primarchs were like. The nails were such a core part of his personality that he's a bit of a blank slate without them.

I guess if we assume he was still a slave-gladiator, but without the nails, then maybe he'd have ended up a bit like Corax in outlook (but without the sneaky beaking approach to warfare). He could well have conquered de'shea too if he applied his primarch's intellect to the slave rebellion.

>>52681604
Then why you play HH. It's literally "power armored fucks- the setting".
Or are you one of those fags that has to be the snowflake where ever you go?

>>52681852
Well the SW did make sure the TS lost that competition. By killing 90% of the TS and forcing their primarch to choose between dieing or pledging his soul to a chaos god. After that the SW just had to keep up appearences for 10k years.

It's hilarious how similiar SW are to actual chaos space marines. The only reason they're still 'loyal' is probably because they're too retarded to realize what they actually are :^)

>>52681942
I concur. Space Yiffs worst legion, with worst Primarch, forever times infinity.
This argument is now forever closed.

>>52681954
I wouldn't say worst. Merely the most misguided. And a prime example of doing all the wrong things for all the right reasons.

>>52681981
No he is garbage and his legion is literally furrys.

>>52681645

Thanks!

>>52681896
>Spess Mehreen player calls Guard player snowflake

Never change, 3+-fags.

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What do you think guys?

>>52682092
> wants to play Horus Heresy
> dur power armor 4 fags lol real men play ORKS or IMPERIAL GUARD gawd
> in literal Space Marine Historical- the game
Did you ride the short bus to school?

>>52681981
Anon.
The discussion is closed.
I thought I was fairly clear on this.

>>52680733
Thanks man.

>>52681765
Nuh-uh man. BoLS said that it confirmed SW don't use the Warp in anyway. Wolfs Vindicated

>>52682122

That's not true. Real men can also play Taghmata.

>>52682159
So they just chill in one system or did they steal some tau tech? Otherwise they surf the warp just like everyone else to get from point a to b

>>52681896
>>52682122

I mean, I agree with him due to liking my plot armor to be justified with technobabble or nor there at all, rather than transhumans just randomly conquering worlds with less men than you'd reasonably send for a country, but I still don't mind playing Marine armies with my Mechanicum and Militia and Cults, because they're fun and surprisingly varied despite LeviaSpartan spam being the meta here.

Also, when I wipe out an army of marines that's a lot bigger deal than the enemy wiping out an army of Mechanicum. OH NOES, like 12 combat robots and a couple servitor-tanks, from a fleet contingent of thousands. It's fun, since I don't lose much even when I lose compared to them.

>>52682159
> dat Nuh uh
> dat use of BOLS as proof
I see what you did there anon

>>52682111
Nicely done, would love to see the final result.

>>52680180

>those windscreen wipers

>>52682203
I'll probably post it and/or make a video

>>52682188
> Mechanium fags
Your army list literally ruined the balance of this game.
It had such a nice thing going, but as soon as FW got away from a Marine stat line, it's old OP tendencies came roaring back out.
Get fucked

>>52682221
Oh go home, captain quad-mortar. I run Thallax, Basilisks and Ursarax in my casual lists, and you can equally well go Phosphex-Mortar Ironfire or Sekhmet Spam 1KSons and blow the shit out of anything I try with those. What the hell are you up against and using that makes Mechanicum such bullshit? You have sniper vets, plasma supps, planes, Paragon Blades and a billion other things that can deal with us specifically.

>>52682221

Daaaawww can wittle billy not handle 45 T7 3+/5++ save wounds before they trash his entire plastic army?

>>52682183
Navigators are their own thing distinct from the other organisations in the Imperium

>>52673723
>>52673803

It was supposed to be a sulfur desert camo or something, for an alien planet in a Sci fi setting. Like 40k.

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>>52682264
If the Mech player is running what, twelve Castellax, then yeah. He'll have like one scoring unit after HQ taxes at 2K, just shoot that then enjoy him not being able to do significant damage to Rhinos or Predators or anything more than 30" away as you kill his HQ units and bait all the few remaining boops into a 20-man tac squad or two to stay there forevermore. Cybernetica have surprisingly little offensive output for cost, they pay a lot for durability.

>>52682409
If one army dies a lot slower than the opposing army it still wins most of the time. Necrons with decurion buffs can be OP because of that principle.

>>52681954
They're Loyal, so they're automatically in the top 9 legions.

>>52682457

Unlike Necrons, Cybernetica has fuck-all maneuverability and is insanely screwed vs Instant Death or close combat, since none of it can sweep ever. Yeah, they're tough, that's what they do, but they're really not versatile at all or cause much damage for cost. 3 AP3 shots at 24" or 3 S6 AP2 attacks for 105 points is surprisingly useless next to Predators, Missile supports, Mymidons of either kind, pretty much anything with plasma etcetera. It's a good Nidzilla list, basically. Apply Paragon Blade from Land Raider or Leviathan Dread ever and it will probably be all good.

>>52682480
They still had more of a net negative effect on the Loyalist war cause than some of the Traitors did

>>52682409
But the krios venator tho!

Reductor is pretty brutal. Vultarax are also pretty cool.

So I assume the snowflake plays militia or solar auxilia? His faggotry could be forgiven with pics of based army, but we know that won't happen.

>>52674016
A lot of antennae and sensor vanes surgically implanted in the brain. Sculpt some raised, inflamed flesh and roughly done sutures. Really put it home that these Mechanicum freaks are sick fucks that are literally mutilating and torturing this poor thing for... apparently no reason considering they should be able to build a proper fucking stormbird, but I like your project so whatever.

Also

>confirm capcha
>phone display immediately scrolls somewhere way the fuck farther down in the thread for no reason
>spend like two minutes scrolling to find it

Phoneposting is sufferig

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To the guy asking earlier. This is the pen I use to do whites. make sure you get the 2mm Fine nibbled pen rather than the giant 15mm Chisel Tip.

also I know Sharpie do permanent whites as well but I haven't used them before. Just don't get chalk pens or poster pens, because the pigments too thin. Make sure they are proper water based or alcohol based permanent.

>>52682409

You laugh but replace all those castellax with artalax and it's not a fun list for anyone anymore

Also who on earth plays 30k at 2k instead of 3k?

>>52682494
>Instant Death
Was going to ask how much Instant Death is actually available in legion lists, but then I remembered everyone can get custodes allies now. Fucking custodes.

>>52682506
Oh, not denying it's a very strong army with significant cheese potential, I play Reductor. Just saying that Castellax or other boop spam is not the way to go about things. If it was the traditional 3 Thanatar + Vulturax wing + 3 Adsec blobs + VoraxScoria with as many Magos Dominus and Castellax you can fit there, THAT would be filthy Cybernetica cheese that I would be just as annoyed about as the usual cheese Marine lists.

>>52682480
I was about to >:^) you but then realise that you are actually right. All the traitors are super retarded, even saying this as a Thousand Sons fan.

SoH - became traitors because Horus got tricked into believing a vision that would only come true if they were traitors, do you think at some point in a war council he looked at his traitor brothers and realised these are all the ones that weren't shown as statues in the vision?

EC - became traitors because Fulgrim stuck an evil sword up his bum, also killed off a bunch of potentially useful traitor marines because they weren't pretty enough

DG - became traitors for reasons, then sorta regretted it for a bit, then got turned into walking bags of shite

TS - basically they pushed the big red button labelled 'do not touch', then pushed it a bunch more times

WE - so willing to suck primarch ass they gave themselves brain damage

IW - got offered the shitty end of the stick and grabbed it anyway

NL - became traitors for edgy reasons, Emperor never really treated Curze as badly as he did some other traitor primarchs and allowed him to be an edge lord. Basically Curze was the moody teenager going through a goth phase and his dad was fine with it until Curze started torturing animals

AL - became traitors because their enemy told them it would be a good idea

WB - literal weakling primarch, can't handle not having an idol, saw a ritual sacrifice and a snake daemon and though this would be a good thing for the entire galaxy

>>52682590
>do you think at some point in a war council he looked at his traitor brothers and realised these are all the ones that weren't shown as statues in the vision?
My interpretation is that by the time all the signs were there, Chaos had their hooks into him too deep for him to recognize it.

Also, an idiot like Lorgar is literally the reason why the Emperor didn't tell the Primarchs about the Chaos Gods. He may have made some mistakes, but that one isn't as big as people make it out to be.

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I actually managed to salvage it by just taking offhe stupid front prongs and putting the winglets in the spot those prongs are supposed to go in. Now it doesn't have a stupid looking gap I have to fill with plasticard and it actually looks good. I might be able to solve the rider positioning too by just having them lean and get some chainswords so the hand-less arms aren't obvious.

>>52682518
Yeah, that would work well too. Perhaps I'll ask my Tyranid friend if he has any spare Maleceptor exposed brain parts, although I doubt it. Given the amount of cables and implanted hatches and doors and cybernetic eye replacements it's getting anyway, I doubt it'll be happy exactly.

>>52682635
>>52682590
Also, Horus is not exactly one for self-reflection or considering whether he might have been wrong about something.

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>>52682111
Doesn't look very 30k

>>52682111
Strewth, that looks bonza mate.

>>52682520
Not the earlier guy and is curious. What do you use this for Edge Highlights? How distinct is it on painter surface?

>>52682728
I know man, I've been looking for the 40k general but couldn't find it.

Maybe I'm blind maybe there isn't one right now.

I love how the Awooboos refuse to admit that Russ was essentially a 6 year old and a massive incompetent when it came to dealing with Magnus. Sending a single, half arsed message by way of a Telepath is a shitty excuse to say that the Yiffking exhausted all reasonable options, especially since he had Valdor on hand, which was infinitely more diplomatic then he ever was, proving that he is not only incompetent, but also incapable of realizing this own shortcomings. This makes the Wolves even worse as they wasted a perfectly loyal legion for no reason other then being lazy

>>52683189
>>>>>>>>>>>>>perfectly loyal

>>52683209
Why would a traitor legion go out of their way to try and warn the emperor about Horus

>>52683189
Maybe they were worried about their reputation. If they properly exhausted all non-violent options before attacking, people outside the legion might start thinking the space wolves were capable of acting in a sensible, rational manner. Therefore they had to act like mindless barbarians, even though they're not mindless barbarians, to make sure everybody thinks they're mindless barbarians.

>>52683304
prospero was just a prank

>>52683189
>he had Valdor on hand
And when Constantin Valdor is the fucking voice of reason, it's a good sign that you're probably taking things too far. But yeah, thinking things through is definitely not one of Russ' strong points. In fact, I think being brash and impetuous, to the point of being stupid sometimes, is his defining flaw.

Highligtest best with the fate of the loyal Imperial Army regiment who was resupplying on Prospero when the retribution force arrived. They tried to communicate with the wolves and were ignored, and when the Custodes and others finally arrived and tried to talk to them, the Army troops were no longer in any mood to. No good god damn reason for that at all!

>>52682535
Exactly, because we can ally in Custodes or play Thousand Sons us legion players have no reason to complain about mechanicum.

>>52670630
Woah, you made this?

Noice!

>>52683304
>this guy didn't respond to my phone call
>better blow up his house
I mean it's not like they could have landed a small force to talk face to face or anything, those Thousand Nerds aren't to be trusted, better axe their faces in.

Why exactly did Mortarion go traitor again? Was it because of psykers and sorcerers? Did nobody give him the Chaos Brochure?

>>52677364
FUCK, these look amazing!

Who did these and what white did he use?

Still debating on which recipe to use on my dudes..thinking about painting Some Solar Auxilia in white.

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>>52683498
>you didn't respond to the astropathic call
>so I panicked
Dogs will as dogs do.

>>52683304

even if that were the case, the fact the Imperial Retribution fleet contained Custodians and other Imperial forces, Russ could have easily hidden behind the famous "We had to be diplomatic otherwise Valdor and Co wouldn't play ball." type of excuse.

Hell, in Valdor, Russ had the ultimate envoy to send down and have a chat, his position as captain of the Custodians would guarantee his safe passage with any legion that is loyal, and if they did kill him, he had the perfect pretext to commence a regular assault, and executing the TS as traitors.

Fact was, Emps should have send Dorn instead, that would have fixed this entire issue without the massive bloodshed and the retarded justification that Russ fans dream up.

>>52683542
Horus winked at him and gave him a compliment. Plus he hated tyrants and thought the emperor was one. No real reason in the end.

>>52683585
>the retarded justification that Russ fans dream up.
Russ fags really are the worst, most other people manage to fault their primarch in some way but SW fans seem to think everything he did was justified and that he is never wrong.

FFS I collect DA and TS and really like the legions but I can readily admit that they both have totally retarded primarchs. Yiffs are retarded.

>>52683371
What if you play traitors? I can forge the narrative to a certain point seeing as I play Alpha Legion but allied Custodes is too much of a stretch

>>52683585

Going JUST by rules

Which side would have a better win percentage. Say every legion had equally skillful players and they played the other side 100 times.

>>52683690

There were traitors and loyalists in every legion except I guess the Word Bearers.

I dont think anyone would freak out

>>52683690
Well FW seems to think otherwise, since there are no rules preventing you from allying Custodes to anything you like.

Somehow they future-proofed the 30k allies chart with a mention of Agents of the Emperor or Warmaster, yet forgot to at least mention it in Inferno. One anon already had to play against Thousand Sons + Custodes.

>>52672720
It's ripe to make a Mhara Gal out of it.

>>52683742
>>52683743
I guess RAW there's nothing stopping me but you have to admit it feels wrong having Alpharius running around with the boys in gold

>>52683819

Well if someone want an explanation, the alien prophesy was foretold and maybe Alpharius or Omegon went different directions on what to do.

Its meant to be oh so super secret but comes off as lazy writing but you at least have a fluff reason.

Although I agree, Alpharius doesnt really have any reason to be loyal to the Emperor

Custodes as a full army list was a mistake.

>>52683819
RAW you can even ally Thousand Sons with your Space Wolves for one of Inferno's campaign misions to more effectively deal with the enemy Thousand Sons' psychic powers.

This is starting to reach Alpha Legion levels of confusion.

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>>52683861
Just as planned

>>52674480
Lorgar's entire plan was about Horus falling.
Angron was uncontrollable anyway, but Mortarion didn't give a fuck about Guilliman.
Alpharius didn't care either way, he was always doing shit his own way.
Dorn would have followed the Emperor's will wherever it took them. Russ saw himself exempt from the order of the primarchs.
Curze had only ever had something akin to trust with Fulgrim, Mortarion and Horus.
Perturabo gifted Guilliman with an ingenious clockwork that stood on Macragge during the Heresy. The Lion didn't care about Horus being the Warmaster as he saw himself more than fit for the title. The Khan wasn't uncontrollable, but was happy doing his job which Guilliman would have made sure to be to the Vth's taste.

>>52681880
GW used a 'white metal', which is just a legal class of alloys, but changed their mix in the mid 90s to remove all lead.

As with English Pewter, which is a similar substance (primarily tin) which formerly contained lead (until the mid 1970s), GW's white metal quite likely swapped out lead for copper or antimony. Zinc is sometimes found in similar alloys, but is also I think often excluded where handling and toxicity are likely to cause problems.

Pure lead or mostly-lead alloys would have been so heavy as to be impractical even for very small items (never mind that foot-long monster) and so soft as to be unusable.

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>>52683111
nah, I use it for liquitex pen for building back up to white in one step. I wouldn't bother on stuff already primed white.

All the white on these guys are from it. Also heres a Bic pen I used on my Alpha Legion ( I put gloss varnish on after though)

>>52683660

I'm so glad my favorite Primarch is both loyal and flawless.

Can anyone even compete with Sanguinius?

>>52684043
Horus was pretty cool until he fell.

>>52683927
making Guilliman would have led to an entire set of different problems, some which were far bigger then the ones that Horus faced, and would not have prevented the Heresy, although it might have taken place in a different composition of legions.

>>52684065
Eh, he didn't like to hear no and basically forced Corax to kill a bunch of his legion at gate 42. He was so obsessed with his spear tip that he didn't consider that it might not always work.

>>52684108
What about Khan? He seemed decent. At least he was at Terra like the other true loyalist primarchs.

>>52684129
In my opinion Khan was one of the primarchs who made the least fuck ups throughout the GC and the HH. He was a bit distant but arguably his delaying actions after he found out about the heresy but before returning to Terra allowed the Blood Angels to get there before the traitor legions did.

>>52684087
The problem nr. 1 would be Horus' massive butthurt.

>>52684129
this. He was there when he needed to be. Even though everyone thought he would turn.

>>52680180
Will we see Thunderhawk Transporter ever again?

>>52684175
It was more like no one knew him well enough to say either way. Did Horus ever actually attempt to turn him personally? I know Mortarion did on Prospero but all he basically said was 'come on, pleeeaaaseeee, join the cool guys'.

>>52684043
>>52684129
Neither Khan nor Sanguinius are my primarch but I have mad respect for the both of them. Couple of dependable stand up guys

>>52684244
>the two most stand-up primarchs are the one that flies and the one that rides a bike
>the two most stand-up primarchs are the ones that spend the least time standing up
Pottery. Somehow.

>>52674480
Mortarion basically hated everyone, besides Horus, mostly because he had the worse upbringing in his mind.

>>52674069
3 times faster to be precise.

Predictions for the Siege of Terra people.
>Sanguinius banishes DP Angron
>Khan and DP Fulgrim go at it
>Dorn expresses annoyance at Khan going fast rather than standing on the wall
>some kind of minor schism with the traitors
>Curze doesn't like the siege since you can't spook astartes and custodes

>>52683542
No, they didn't. One of the many tragedies of Mortarion.

Mortarion hated tyrants and witches, and fundamentally he was Horus's most reliable right hand man (and even when he was losing it he was still more sane and far more reliable than the next most sane and secular guy) - to his mind he was allying with the only brother that showed him friendship against a father who was, through a certain lens, basically the same as the one Mortarion swore to murder back on Barbarus - a witch who saw Mortarion, and humanity as whole really, as nothing more than a weapon.

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>>52684491
>DP Fulgrim

OOOO, CAN DO!

>>52684491
>Sanguinius banishes DP Angron

He better do it with his bare hands.

>>52684491
I think Terra is where Khan and Morty will finally resolve their feud. Don't know who'll pair off with Fulgrim in that case though, maybe he'll get distracted by a Land's squirrel or something and spend the entire siege chasing it.

>>52684491
> Little Horus will kill Hibou Khan, and then in turn get killed by Loken ( Loken will have some kind of vision of Tarik, feels will ensue)

> Khan will kill something note, or at least win a big duel

>>52684484
Being raised by some kind of poison huffing vampiric xenos will do that.

>>52684491
I can see the other loyalist legions being made more relevant somehow