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First for something fishy going on here

First for the 9th (who did nothing wrong)

Is the Pallas good for anything bikes don't do better?

Custodes run Stormbirds in the lore, would it be cheesy of me to add one in to my Custodes force?

night lords are the faggest legion

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>>52651361
You are not wrong.

>>52651470

Sandwich for emperor.

>>52651435
Honestly anything that isn't a Titan is probably worse than just taking more Custodes tanks, so feel free. Combining unkillable flying death with all the unkillable tank death and unkillable infantry death all resting on a bed of solid brie is probably going to induce some salt, though.

>>52651652
If someone gave me the choice between me fighting their Reaver Titan with D spamming versus a maxed out Stormbird, you better believe I'm fighting the giant ass flyer instead that won't eat me every damn turn

>>52651652
The mental image of slamming a cheese Tribune with 14-15 Paragon Hetaeron and a Galatus out of a now hovering Stormbird is hilarious. Watching it fire an Orbital Strike into anything that could cause serious harm to it is also worth the price of admission alone.

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Obligatory "what are you working on today"-post. I just finished the first five terminators.

>>52651781
respect to your dedication and relentless progress, mortarion would be proud. "a man may paint a legion if only given a brush and the dedication to paint again and again." and whatnot.

>>52651732
>assuming game big enough for that.

Bait taken, kill-zone created. Prepare for the Str10 and D on your expensive stuff.

>>52651904
>Being a fuckwit this bad

It's about having fun, not being a dick.

>>52651904
>Being a dick to someone wanting to run a Stormbird

Nah don't be that guy

>>52651689

I agree, because I'm Magos Whale-stormbird, so I encourage as many people as possible to steal crazy big things and give them different paint jobs, especially with how shit the FW Stormbird is painted in some of the pictures.

>>52651732

When I came up with the idea I was thinking of doing the same with Scoria, some Ursarax, a few packs of Myrmidons to hop out the side and rear hatches and a Droplite team, although because of the way the rules are written I can't carry Automata or vehicles. Do you think people would let me use Castellax instead of Dreadnoughts? They'd probably fit.

>>52651781

I have now moved house, so I'm looking through all the boxes to get my bedroom and desk into some semblance of order before I start cracking open my hobby boxes and checking nothing got damaged from a 20 minute drive with padding, which is probably unlikely.

>>52651435
Custodes with assault vehicles is cheese, so yes.

>>52651989
In super lax games I'd count them as Dreads, but that's it. By RAW you can't at all, but there's no harm in being kind.

>>52651351
If these guys aren't working for Prefecture Magisterium Magos Gadget then there's seriously something wrong

>>52652005
>An army using their own equipment is cheese

Next you're gonna say running 15 Terminators out of a Thunderhawk is cheesy.

>>52652021
Well, any game where I'm running through the web of slightly dodgy rules to bring the thing is unlikely to be anything but super lax, so yey.

>>52652042
Well, death guard using phosphex quad guns is cheese. You can be fluffy and cheesy at the same time.

>>52652042
Um.
>Eldar WK and Scatbikes and Spiders
>Tau Riptidespam
>Ironfire
>War Convocation
>Titans in Levi FoC
>Phosphex Mortars

All of those are fluffy as fuck and use"their own equipment" a damn sight more than taking units that flat out aren't in the army list or allowed anywhere else. Doesn't stop them being cheese as fuck.

>>52652031
No, but their Alpha Hercule-001 is a mean mammajamma. That squad has served me really well, I haven't named all of them but each is unique. I like the idea of each being named after famous detectives.

How do reggo Skitarii actually get named, anyway? I always just picked a name and stuck some numbers/letters onto it

>>52652149
>Implying you couldn't simply take the Stormbird as a Custode LOW

Do you even 30k.

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Also, some blackshield bits came today. Still waiting for some pariah bolters, laslocks and flamers from victoria.

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>>52652149
Riptides are super expensive to produce, using an extremely rare nanocrysatalline armour that makes them light enough to jump around and have a 2+, not to mention that the suit is only given to the most veteran of fire warriors

War convo is supposed to be the mechanicum digging up their relics for an important cause, only fluffy for big games

Wraithknights are just irredeemable

I wouldn't call them fluffy as fuck but all of the above work out well in games of about 2000 points+

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>>52651781
Working on some bases for my word bearers today

>>52652188
From what I read in Inferno you can't, can you? Only LoW is the Psitan, and I didn't see a LoW box like in the Legions and Mech book.

>>52652248

Yeah, but you get my point. Custodes away from Terra is about as rare as a few of those things right there, they're the least Your Dudes army since OldCrons or possibly Nids IMO. There's certainly more Custodes miniatures than there are Custodes in 30k, which is cool in a way.

>>52651781
What are the steps for those bases?

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>>52652542
glue sand, prime white with the rest of the model, apply tuskgor fur, apply agrax and glue grass

>>52652186
>Alpha Hercule-001
Nice. Who else have you got? Marlowe, Holmes, Constantine?

Skitarii get named however their boss wants to name them, or however their Forge World's naming schema usually go. The 3 we have names for are:
Alpha 9-Thyrrc
Rho-mu 31
Arook Serotid

So that tells us nothing.

I just thought Prefecture Magisterium would make sense for a magos in charge of them, given that that's the Admech/Mechanicum secret police

>>52652680
Also Haldron-44 Stroika. Yeah, seems like name-number name is normal, but mostly it's a"whatever sounds cool" situation.

>>52652521
You can always take allied LOW for any 30k faction unless it has requirements such as Loyalists/Traitors or army profile requirements.

30k is very fast and loose at times, so there's that.

Do Knight Errants benefit from Legion specific rules?

>>52652762
Also does By Falshood Cloaked confer its benefits to the squad he's with?

>>52652521
>Custodes being super rare
Different anon, but that's my problem with them, they have no real room for your dudes and because of how recent fluff makes them out to be, I don't like them as a faction

It's a shame though because aside from select cheese, I do really like their rules and models, to the point were I'm going to use the rules and models as extremely enhanced black shields marines. Would this be super autism triggering though?

>>52652831
>Would this be super autism triggering though?
Yes.

Mostly it will look like you want to play on the cheap (low model count, plastic) and with borderline OP rules.

>>52652680
Yeah, so far I've got;

>Axiarch Columbus
>606-Marlowe
>Magnum-442
>317-Spencer (i always liked Psych)

Other guys I'm thinking of are Dick Tracy, Sam Spade, and Nero Wolffe. Should be fun naming them all

>>52652563
Thanks buddy, looks great!

>>52652706
Yeah, pretty much, though if that's a reference I have no idea what it's to

>>52652762
IMO mostly no, he's got the Legiones Astartes rule for regrouping at full Ld and that, but doesn't have the Legiones Astartes (Specific Legion) rule. It'll come down to how the rules are written for a particular ROW, but most specify that they affect models with the LA (Legion) rule, not just the LA rule. If that makes sense.
>>52652811
If I remember correctly, someone asked Bligh about whether you could use a knight errant to prevent terminators scattering at some event or other and he said no (the rule represents the knight errant sneaking onto the battlefield, not doing a precise teleport). But I don't think it's ever been officially stated because that's how forgeworld roll.

>>52652831
Yes. It's too much to have them count as augmented black shields. It'd be like that guy posting in here a few weeks ago trying to do a thunder warrior thing with black shields. Too much of a stretch for most players I think.

>>52652936
Roger-affirmative
Vector-victor

>>52652936
>Kill All Humans

>>52652853
>>52653103
Yeah, I figured it would be pretty triggering, I'll keep it as a side project for now, still need to get my actual legion army up and running first.

But on that note, what isn't considered OP in the Custodes list? Sagittarium Guard?

>Blackshields as thunder warriors?
Why would that be such a stretch again?

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I found one of the missing primarchs.

>>52653130
Kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVq4_HhBK8Y

>>52653103
>thunder warrior thing with black shields
That makes pretty good sense doesn't it?

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>>52653340
U G H H
Why must they turn space marines into orks?

>>52653103
>It'd be like that guy posting in here a few weeks ago trying to do a thunder warrior thing with black shields
No, that's perfectly reasonable. It even looks like some of the Blackshields rules was meant for that purpose.

>>52653373
Daily reminder that this fucker can throw his hammer so hard that he flies in the air, does a backflip and then comes down for an AOE attack.

>>52653395
>Leader is Big red guy
>Far too nimble for his weight and size
Only witchery would allow that. Requesting Inquisitor investigation. This all but confirms they are indeed XVth's progeny

>>52652936
Have an alpha have "1337" in his name.

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Pale Nomads master chapter. Even Beep Boops aren't safe.

It's actually his second time being featured on the page thay I know of. First was a Carcharodons leviathan that was bitching as well.

>>52652936
Get a guy with a Taser called Johnny Three-volta

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>>52652831
>>52652521
>Custodes away from Terra is about as rare as a few of those things right there
Yet it was a thing that happened. Not all of the 10000 are mentioned by name, and they're noted to regularly being sent on different missions, so you can easily explain their presence there, either as a primary or as an allie detachment.

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>>52653650

>>52653360
So Arik, his friend Ghota, and perhaps a small handful of other thunder warriors survived the cull. Out of them all, isn't Arik the only one to have extended his own life by stealing an astartes progenoid gland and modifying it to suit his own genetic makeup.

I think that's why it's a stretch to have dozens of thunder warriors running around on a tabletop when one, maybe 2 could have survived to the times of the heresy.

>>52653650
>>52653682
>He dosn't perform the real cants of the Omnissiah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK63eUyk-iM

>>52651781
Looks fuckking noice lad

>>52653581
1337? I don't understand the reference

>>52653650
Funny, but they're named after detectives, on account of everyone thinking they are wearing trench coats

>>52653393
Nah. I imagine +1 S, +1 T, +1 W over astartes with some psychic resistance (rumored to have in fluff). Making them about as good at shooting but much more potent in hand to hand combat, but not custode-good, which is where they seem to be fluff-wise.

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>>52653768
Oh he's a detective alright :^)

>>52653768
Gonna be an autist and take the bait.

1337 = LEET or elite in hacker speak.

>>52653768
Well in that case you can't have Spencer without his associate Hollaback Attcha

>>52653862
I think you mean Galileo Humpkins. Or Ovaltine Jenkins. Or Magic Head. But yes, I'll have to do that.

>>52653818
Oooooh. Sure, sounds funny.

>>52653809
Holy shit. It's a Johnny Five, John Travolta, Face-off, from Paris with love super admech-detective mashup.

Flawless victory m8

>>52651470
The pic where Sang is surrounded by evil and daemons is superior.

I know some people lament how mechanised 30k gets sometimes, but how much armour is too much armour if a woodchuck could armour armour? Is the below obnoxious, basically? Wanted to go with versatility, and a high-tech tanks theme, but I dunno if it's too much.

>Aloha Legion, Coils Of The Hydra, 2000 points exactly

Delegatus - 130
>Jump pack, power fist & dagger, AA & refractor field

10 Tacs - 145
>Sgt has combiplasma, power dagger, meltabombs
Rhino - 50
>Pintle multimelta

10 Tacs - 145
>Sgt has combiplasma, power dagger, meltabombs
Rhino - 50
>Pintle multimelta

10 Tacs - 145
>Sgt has combiplasma, power dagger, meltabombs
Rhino - 50
>Pintle multimelta

Contemptor-mortis dred - 180
>Kheres assault cannons

(Rewards of treason) 5 dark fury marines - 175

2 Land speeders - 110
>2 grav guns, 2 heavy flamers

2 Land speeders - 110
>2 grav guns, 2 heavy flamers

2 Predator executioners - 260

2 Laser vindicators - 230

Sicaran venator - 190

>>52653668
>Regularly
If you were trying to cite something from that passage, I must have been blind and not have seen it. The only time that I recall custodes being somewhere not Terra is with the emperor when he isn't on Terra, or assigned to extremely important missions. I highly doubt a custodes contingent would be given to some random company of Astartes, not taking into account fluff

I would love them being elsewhere to be the case, but I feel like as a faction currently, their lore makes them extremely restrictive in terms of how you could portray them

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>>52654007

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>>52652831
>Would this be super autism triggering though?
Models? Yes.
Rules? Not if you fluff it right, you could take them as an allied detachment to a S/T 5 Blackshields and so that they're desperate allies (or whatever the alliance level is) because the custodes are the dudes who were enhanced "correctly" and have great disdain for the "flawed" version.

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>>52654108
Yes.

>>52654108
>heard you were talking shit like I wouldn't find out

>>52654108
>doesn't even have his swords out
>these foes only require his fists
>just like eldar phantom titans

>>52654125
You got the palenomads version of that image?

>>52654108
My problem with a lot of 40k/30k art. If they lift their arm, the pauldron would hit the side of their head.

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>>52654108

>>52654493
Who needs to lift their arm when you're A) 1 1/2 times as tall as everyone already and B) Can fly.

I legitimately cannot decide which traitor legion I want to play. Alternatively, I might do Fists.

>>52654778
Pull a KAnon and do Iron Fists ;^)

>>52654778
Dark Angels are a good choice.

>>52654778
Dubs say Emperor's Children.

>>52654811
>when you get the dubs you asked for

>>52654778
Go Alpha Legion and play all of them !

Or at least the legion specific units of all of them

What colour are Conversion Beamers beams?

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>>52654811
Neat

>>52654852
Ehm ... the colour of sience ?

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>>52654897
so... red?

>>52654852
White

>>52654852
Octarine.

>>52654852
White

>>52651877
Make that a pasta nigga

>>52654493
That's why pauldrons should be attached to the end of the collarbone instead of to the center of the deltoids, since the former only barely moves with respect to your neck when moving the arms

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How do volkite beams penetrate armour? Why specifically do they react with biological matter differently than other matters?

>>52654094
Well they're an extension of the Emperor's Will; it doesn't exactly strike me as uncommon for them to be sent out in force to key battles, even if it's a squad of five all the way to a Thousand.

There's so much left unspoken during the Heresy that they can be all over.

>>52655209
Space magic

>>52655209
A laser that transmits heat, so you shoot the gun and the gun heats up the armor which then is transmitted to the human inside which then bursts into flames because organics are more combustible than armor.

>>52655275
Isn't that what a melta does?

>>52655209

volkite reacts to matter in the way microwaves react to kittens

>>52655209
Like microwaves?

>>52655209
Holy shit, someone actually made Lorgar look cool.

Shame about the marine next to him who didn't manage to get his banner up in time for the photo, but you really get a sense of who the Word Bearers were as Iconclasts and purgers

>>52655222
There's literally only ten thousand of them, minus quite a lot for the War in the Webway and earlier on for Prospero, and we've seen that a squad of five assigned to a Primarch was considered odd. They weren't running errands all over the place, that's the Knights Errant. If your opponent kills a Tribune or Hetaeron squad that's a crippling blow to an elite core of either a couple dozen or few hundred warriors, there's way too few to justify deployment in force anywhere without the Emperor or on Terra. Why are they fighting Solar Auxilia regiment#27483 or some random PDF MaC army, or in my case a fleet holed up miles away in what was once Xanatite space? There's hardly any reason for one of them to be somewhere, let alone a battlegroup..

>>52655313
Melta's melt EVERYTHING, and not just heat up the armour enough so that what's inside bursts into flames.

>>52655374
I think that dude is burning that banner on purpose.

>>52655313
Melta is a vaporiser weapon, it excites molecules to their disintergration point. This results in a visual reaction to the heat energy produced by their molecular bonds collapsing, so you get the effect of whatever you've hit with a melta igniting and exploding at the same time.
Which is why they say people kind of melt and flash into steam when hit by one, the water in their body goes explosively bye-bye even as their physical form disintegrates.

Volkite is an actual conductive heat beam, so the above anon's example explains how deflagrate works, the heat is so intense that things with lower resistance to extreme heat break down first, even if the directed beam hit, say, armour instead of the thing inside it, it could not pen the armour but still kill the dude by explosive heat injuries.

>tl;dr - Melta: microwave-based disintegrator weapon, Volkite: some kind of sci-fi conductive heat beam that appears as a laser, think directed electricity with huge heat energy

>>52655209
Why is he holding a bundle of dynamite?

>"Nobody move or I'll religion of peace this place!"

>>52655449
To put it simply, meltas fire intense heat (there's two types, a microwave variant and a fusion reaction one that vents the heat out the muzzle) that just melts shit in an instant, making it great at blasting through armour. Volkites probably have trouble heating up inorganic matter, but are great at igniting people and stuff.

>>52655458
Gonna detonate a faith bomb in that crib

>>52655458
Pretty sure that's a scroll senpai

>>52655378
Honestly I think you're taking it a little too seriously. They're a very playable army because of events like Prospero and the Siege of Terra.

Just because we don't see a whole lot of public viewings of them, doesn't mean they weren't doing clandestine missions in the shadows

>>52655496
One of the interesting (if morbid) thing about sci-fi guns is all the ways people can die of heat or explosive heat injuries because of them. Instead of the more usual ballistic/concussive trauma that leads to bleed outs if the critical organs weren't pulped.
The imperial forces transitioning from heath-deathing people to blowing them into bleeding chunks when boltguns replaced volkite must've been a thing.
I'd read a short story about a medic or medical team in the setting.

>>52655546
Alonside traitor forces as well appearantly. We already have reports of somebody running custodes alongside Thousand Sons

>>52655581
>B-b-but anon they were just supervising them instead of immediately locking them up in null-shielded brigs

/flashback

>>52655378

>Only ten thousand of them

So? There's only a million space marines. Both exist in utterly negligible numbers.

>>52655546
On the other hand, prospero was before the heresy really kicked off, well, probably, anyway, they keep fucking about with the timeline, and the siege was right at the end. If one assumes most age of darkness take place in the heresy proper, the custodes mostly won't be there.

And clandestine missions were what Malcador was up to, the custard creams seemed to be more just in the palace/webway.

Does Horus Heresy allow unbound? I'd like to make an army out of 18 land raiders painted as one from each legion.

>>52655610
The complete lack of a new alliance chart with the new factions is very confusing. I have no idea why making Inferno took FW that long, because with all the things missing, rule errors, spelling mistakes, sentences that aren't even proper english, poor editing, tourism in prospero, etc. it looks like the book was merely 2-3 months in development and then tossed out for release.

And then they even make it the most expensive book yet ... what a fucking joke.

>>52655701
No.
You could squeeze 16 different legions into a bound list, with 3 command squads, 4 termie squads, 6 breachers and 3 LR squadrons in a armoured assault Shattered Legion list

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>>52655701
No.

>>52655701
>3600 points or so just for the land raiders
At that point you're getting into Apocalypse territory, which is kind of like unbound. So, yeah, I guess.

>>52655701
No unbound, but I think that's possible with Shattered Legions, if you can take Rites of War with that. Take that one that makes Land Raiders Dedicated Transport, get three HQs with Land Raider command squads, 3xsquadrin of 3 LR as Heavy Support and 6 troop DT Land Raiders, there's your eighteen. You would need some squads of stuff and hq units, though.

>>52655581
Were Custodians assigned to the Word Bearers? Yes they were.

>>52655701
>>52655774

Yeah, just checked. With Armoured Spearhead you can take Land Raider dedicated transports in place of Rhinos, so take a fluffy squad for each legion - IF tacs, IH and IW Breachers, Assault Marines for the stabby legions and flamer/plasma supps for DG/DA respectively and so on. Would be fun, even if with 3HQ, 3 Elite, 6 Troops and 3 FA to play with you may have some troubles fitting a squad per Raider. Can SL or AS lists take allies? Because if so you can ally in the other 3 squads you need.

>>52655925
>Three Command squads alongside their Praetors
>Four termie squads
>Six Breachers
>Three Seekers
>That's 16 Land's Raiders DTs
>Plus three triple Land Raider squads as Heavy support choices
>Not to mention an IW warlord would make available yet another LR squad
I don't like people who don't know how to count, Anon. Grab a book and try again tomorrow :^)

>>52654852
Blue.

Da ba dee da ba die.

>>52655458
The Imperial Truth is a religion of tolerance and peace.

>>52656059
Censure all who insult the God-Emperor.

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>>52656020
>I don't like people who don't know how to count
Hey Pert

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>>52653642
fucking disgusting, why do retards do this shit?

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>>52656071
>Imperial Truth
>God-Emperor
That's the Man-Emperor, you infidel!

>>52655902
And how long into the Horus Heresy did that last exactly, hmm ? How many battles did that squad of Custodes aid the Word Bearers in bringing down any of the loyalist legions ?

How fucked am I if I have to go first in Orbital Assault vs. Orbital Assault game?

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>>52656101
>WB
>not God-Emperor

>>52656166
>WB
>Imperial Truth
>>52656162
Depends how high your choppy squad:shooty squad ratio is.

>>52656189
I'm not the one who brought up the Imperial Truth into this discussion of WB and the religion of peace.

>>52656162
Oh, we houseruled that you don't autolose for 'no models on table' first turn thing, btw.

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>>52655209
Vacuum frequency laser.

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/sidearmenergy.php

>>52656107
>How many battles did that squad of Custodes aid the Word Bearers in bringing down any of the loyalist legions ?
What?
Don't be silly, anon: Custodes can only be allied to loyalists.
And they did aid in the very last compliance actions of the still-grey WB: even a single world to conquer can offer you a whole campaign, I'll call you a liar if you say otherwise :^)

>>52656248
You do know that half your Drop Pods auto drop in turn 1 right?

>>52656073
Hey Dorn. BTW GW says the DG are the seventh, what's up with that? :^)

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>>52655902
Word Bearers were closet traitors at this point thought, posing as loyalists.

>>52656289
>Don't be silly, anon: Custodes can only be allied to loyalists.

Where do the rules say that ? Because I (sadly) have been unable to find it.

>>52656291
Current HH victory condition dictates that at any point you don't have any of your models on table you auto-lost.

IIRC my drop pods arrive at start of my turn, so if my opponent can destroy all my models (if I have any at all) on table he will auto-win, on his first turn.

>>52656343
That image would be so good if Illuminarum didn't just fade off into the distance while still being in front of Lorgar's cape.

>>52656475
Technically one could even argue that both players lose automatically, because the rules say that if at any point during a game one side doesn't have any models on the tabel they lose. And since the game kind of already starts before you deploy models, with rolling for warlord traits and all that ...

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>>52656367
Uhh...ohhh...n-next to the Misericordia item?
Well, Custodes are simply loyal to the Emperor, they can't be corrupted because loyalty is an integral piece of what they are.
I mean, you were talking about Talons allied to detachments using traitor minis? That simply cannot happen, anon. Who'd do that?
Even the Sisters are incapable of thinking of doing something against the Emperor, despite (probably) being able to dampen His abilities.

>>52656367
Because even all the special characters have no "can only be part of loyalist army" or "can only be part of traitor army" in their unit entry. So fielding Valdor, allying him with Word Bearers and having him join a unit of Gal Vorbak seems totally legal.

>>52656558
Nooooo anon! The Emperor cannot lead the Gal Vorbak!

>>52656020
No, you can easily get all the Raiders you need. I was just saying that you may want a fluffy Legion squad of dudes to go inside each, so you may need allies for that to fill the HS raiders. Well, with the IW HQ you don't need extra slots so go nuts.

>>52656576
>if FW had decided to stick the rules for the Emperor in Inferno He would be takeable in a traitor army
Here's to a better Angelus I guess.

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>>52656576
You could even field Leman Russ with his Space wolves in one of the campaign missions from the same book, and ally Thousand Sons in to more effectively combat the Thousand Sons. You're not allowed to field psykers as the agressor in the first mission, but after that you can totally go wild.

>tfw FW made us wait extra long ... for this.

>>52656314
Eh, 7th traitor legion?
Ol' Mort was real big on 7s

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Okay, serious question: Were 2W Terminators a mistake? Should it have been a super-rare exception rather than something common? As is those without 2W profiles, like Gorgons and Laernans, feel underwhelming and weedy.
Alternativly, should all termies have a 2W profile?

>>52656622

Emperor: Death to the false me.

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I'm honestly hoping they don't give Sangy a weapon because the idea of him flying around punching things and choking GDs makes me happy. He's like the Imperium's super saiyan and it is glorious.
Note, I do not actually play bangles.

Why on earth is the Stormlord capable of serving as an Assault Transport, but Doomhammer and Banehammer can't, even though they have the same design with the open platform at the back, nor can the Gorgon with its massive front ramp and open top.

I don't want a Stormlord, but if I'm gonna use the tank as anything other than a big Rhino or a gun platform, I must.

>>52656671
Not really. Two wounders are more resilient against small arms fire, but when things that ID them hit then you just wasted extra points to still die in a single hit.

Having 2 wounds is also terrible in close combat against 1 wound models with powerfists : you can both fail the same amount of invulnerable saves, but that still means the 2 wound terminators lose combat by twice the amount of wounds.

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>>52656622
Remember back when we thought Inferno would fix everything? We were so naive and innocent.
>>52656711
Kek
>>52656668
It was a fuckup by GW, nothing more. Perhaps Morty wishes his legion was the Seventh. We never knew why he liked that number besides Muh Implication, but we do know the Necromancer schooled him a bit on the esotheric arts or something.

>>52656740
>Perhaps Morty wishes his legion was the Seventh.
14 is twice 7, and therefore the superior 7.

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>>52656740
Was Ahriman officially a darkie?

>>52656671
Sort of. Sallies and DG are full on the resilience meme, so it makes sense for them, but the same should apply to the I3 melee race Gorgons, yet it doesn't.
That's one mistake.
2Ws vs powerfists is sort of an uphill battle and currently the only way to patch this is either wield a Power Scythe or have a 3++, otherwise you have the scenario accurately depicted by >>52656739. Red Butchers are scary, so I guess they're perhaps the only non-IH/DG/Sal termie I'd accept that has 2W. Even if their thing is being Hatred Rage Actual Free Power Axes: nobody ever takes lightning claws.

BUT THEN THERE'S THE JUSTAERIN. Fucking mistake.
FACT: The only reason Justaerin have 2W is as a fucking APOLOGY due to how overcosted they were in HH1. The only reason, since they already have Chosen Warrior Furious Charge Multimeltas with BS5 combi-weapons.
And then the Lerneans are a damn meme. Barely above normal termies despite supposedly being oh-so-deadly. Give them a Terminator Volkite Culverin instead of the Conversion Beamer and Chosen Warrior at least, and now we're talking.

Do you think I could convert a land raider into an imperial knight with a little plasticard and green stuff work?

>>52656772
He's not white, so for all practical accounts I guess you'd call him a darkie? He looks normal to me.

>>52656772
Unless ethnic segregation happens, by M32 most people on Earth will be a dark vanilla.

>>52656854
While I'm not disagreeing with you, I love having 2W justaerians. I love the models so my one squad of them I bought a while back can now be fielded with some effect. But yah, malhogurst + veterans is fucking nuts.

>>52654125
In terms of fluff, it would be something along the terms of desperate times calling for desperate measures, most of the rules like toughness/strength/wounds could be chalked up as the armor/bionics/other augmentations.

As for using the models, i was planning on scraping off most of the detail to have a clean slate of armor, would not use the stock custodes heads (although i may use some sagittarum heads as the are sexy), and a lot of kit bashing and additional bits. The only real issue would be vehicles.... would most likely have to look else where or doing insane levels of conversion
:

What are straight up the best terminators?

>>52656966
IF vanilla.

>>52656739
>>52656854
To be frank, Instant Death from double strength is the worst. It makes Challenges boring as sin as it basically all revolves around dealing with a powerfist and isn't much better for multiwound troopers.

>>52656977
Instand Death should do a random amount of wounds, like D3 or something. Because right now something either does 1 or ALL the wounds, which is a bit dumb.

>>52657030
>Instand Death should do a random amount of wounds
Bit it will work like that in 8E, right? I saw the screenshots

>>52656862

*Legs for

>>52657060
We don't know yet. All there is was a 2nd hand rumours that might actually be educated guesswork that said heavy weapons will do multiple wounds. But current Instant Death could very well still exist on top of that.

>>52656966
Sekhmet and IF Legion Terminators

>>52656966

Custodes should have been, but going from 2+/5++ to 2+/4++ is weirdly unimpressive under the circumstances.

G'day, /HHG/, what can I do to fix this list? Aside from that if I go second and 2 Javelins go down I'll auto-lose.

+++ OA #1 (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy) [2475pts] +++

+ HQ +

Maloghurst the Twisted [140pts]

+ Troops +

Legion Tactical Support Squad [220pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 4x Legion Space Marines
·· 5x Plasma gun
·· Legion Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol

Legion Tactical Support Squad [220pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 4x Legion Space Marines
·· 5x Plasma gun
·· Legion Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [315pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines
···· 2x Plasma gun
···· 7x Combi-weapon: Plasma gun
·· Legion Veteran Sergeant: Artificer Armour
···· Combi-weapon: Plasma gun

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [315pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines
···· 2x Plasma gun
···· 7x Combi-weapon: Plasma gun
·· Legion Veteran Sergeant: Artificer Armour
···· Combi-weapon: Plasma gun

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [315pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines
···· 2x Plasma gun
···· 7x Combi-weapon: Plasma gun
·· Legion Veteran Sergeant: Artificer Armour
···· Combi-weapon: Plasma gun

+ Fast Attack +

Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron [65pts]
·· Legion Javelin Attack Speeder: Heavy Bolter, Twin-Linked Lascannon

Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron [65pts]
·· Legion Javelin Attack Speeder: Heavy Bolter, Twin-Linked Lascannon

+ Heavy Support +

Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon [410pts]: Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod
·· Leviathan Siege Dreadnought: Cyclonic Melta Lance, 2x Heavy Flamer, Siege Drill, Phosphex Discharger

Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon [410pts]: Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod
·· Leviathan Siege Dreadnought: Cyclonic Melta Lance, 2x Heavy Flamer, Siege Drill, Phosphex Discharger

+ Legion +

Legiones Astartes: Sons of Horus, Traitor

Rite of War: Orbital Assault

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>>52657120
I FORGOT ABOUT SEKHMET!
THEY'RE - T H E - MISTAKE.
>35 points per Stubborn Psyker Terminator with 2 wounds, +1 to invulnerable and a Force Weapon, only 5 points over a regular Terminator. Let that sink in.
Srsly, fuck them.

>>52657208
>Aside from that if I go second and 2 Javelins go down I'll auto-lose.
You're bloody doomed m80.

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How did I do?

The idea is to put the Praetor with the Destroyers (for max fluffiness) and the Siege Breaker with the Heavy Support Squad for Tank Hunter, Laser Vindis for anti-tank (hopefully getting some side armor shots on Spartans), Kheres Mortis for Anti-air and utility, blobs for blobbing it up, Quad Mortars for phosphex goodness, and Grave Wardens for mini-deathstar capabilities or at worst a distraction.

The idea is to make something fluffy, but also somewhat competitive. Does this look like a fun list to play against? Feedback is appreciated. Thanks, /hhg/!

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>>52657241
Inferno was the mistake

>>52657199
Given the basic Custodes troops often have 5++ rerollable, which is about 11% better (50% to 55.5%), they're actually one of the squishiest Custodes units. Never thought I'd see a better Justaerin be considered a glass cannon, even Mechanicum aren't that tough. I suppose they have few enough that I can shell them to fuck with Reductor Vindicators, but still. Damn, that's a tough army.

>>52657266
Dubs confirm.
Angelus will make /hhg/ great again!

>>52654108
Why didn't big E just pick sanguinus to be warmaster

>>52657266
Bert is us, who can only despair in silence while he listens to the laughter of money-thirsty FWs, laughing into the infinite.

>>52657199
Aquilion suffer from an issue that's curiously prevalent in Talons of the Emperor, in that there are units that do the same job way better for barely any additional cost. In this case Haeteron, but it happens all the damn time.

>>52657328

Well to be fair, Aquillon Terminators can take torrent S6 flamers, which answers a big hole the rest of the army has.

Feel the least they coulda done is give them built in teleporting mind.

>>52656906
Wasn't that what happened during the great exodus from Earth during the DAoT and the discevery of warp travel? Which is why you can have planet full of Mongols and all that. Different groups just packed up and left this gay earth, establishing more homogeneous societies on various planets.

>>52657397
I guess so, but even then I have my doubts that three AP- flamer templates will work wonders in an all-marine environment.
That said, that's still more of a niche than the worthless Sagittarum and the awkward Guardian squads have.

>>52657300
Sanguinius could be somewhat aloof. Horus was more charismatic and more easy going with social interacting.

>>52657300
>Wasn't given the position of Warmaster literally because he was TOO good for the Imperium

>>52657300
Horus was the superior strategist.

>>52656966
Sekhmets, though I suppose it depends a little on how they roll. Justaerin if the Sekhmets don't buff themselves with psychic powers.

I'd also put Siege Tyrants up there because they fulfill a role that regular Terminators can't, while most legion-specific Termies are similar in role but better than regular ones.

>>52656260
Courage and honor, brother, courage and honor.

>>52657300
Sanguinius was too good for logistics.

>>52657602
Isn't the Firedrakes superior than Justaerins?

>>52657699
Yeah, they might be. I always forget the poor Sallies.

If the Warp is the Chaos Gods' domain, why couldn't they simply make Loyalist fleets 'disappear,' jump them away, or make them arrive 10,000 years later when they sail to Terra?

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>>52657300
Because Horus was better at everything except flying.

>>52657777

Quads confirm Horus' greatness.

>>52657595

Yes no not really. He got everyone to agree to his strategies. Thats where his true value lied. If he was such a great strategist, he wouldn't have gotten himself slashed up in the first place.

>>52657745
Gellar Fields and the Astronomicon. If E's plan for a human webway worked, than there would be 0 risk associated wit ever traveling the warp.

As is, you're fine if you're ledger is set and the anti-daemon shields are up, but of one of them fails.... well, you've seen the Terminus Est.


Funny enough, the Astronomicon alone is a great disproves like of ADB's "Emperor below Chaos" meme- E beats them back on their own turf using his handy-dandy psychic-navigation lighthouse.

>>52657745
>"Because fuck you, that's why."
>-t. GW

The fluff is a mess. The gods have their own realms and there's the Chaos wastes that are outside of their realms, yet the whole warp is suppose to be their domain.

>>52658001
So you mean they're being protected by Malal :^)

>>52656544
>despite (probably) being able to dampen His abilities.

The vow of silence is needed because the Emperor speaks and hears telepathically. Text and sign language are the only way they can communicate with him.

>>52658083
That would sort of be fixed by transmitting information via pressure waves through the atmosphere.
Like, by actually talking.

>>52658133
It is specifically stated the the Emperor cannot speak normally several times. He doesn't even use language, your brain constructs a word structure around the concept he transmits. Everyone understands him perfectly regardless of their educational level, IQ, cultural background and native language.

A sister of silence just sees a scrawny looking old guy waving his hands around trying to get their attention with a notepad.

>>52658278
He speaks in ideas and emotions, that much is true.
But can't he speak in gothic? Also last time I checked the Sisters saw him as a man, still in golden armour, presumably still giant and looking the same as always.
He simply wasn't shining and irradiation perfection, and perhaps only because he was busy with the Throne.

Which of the primarchs had the largest penis?

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>>52658392
Lorgar

it's why this general is full of limp shrivel dick dweebs who can't handle Aurelian's BWBC

>>52658392
Both

>>52658392
Vulkan.

>>52657300
Because GW wanted 40k to be grim dark, not 40k is perfect with Humans the absolute masters of the galaxy, with tyranids being effortlessly crushed, necrons tombworlds all annihilated, and eldar extinct.
Because happy ever after isn't a good setting for war

>>52658473
>Terra was unified
>The Eldar were BTFO'd and there's a god of dicks eating their souls
>After Ullanor, Orks now follow 40k-tier codices
>Xeno species are anihilated one after another
>Technology of the Dark Age is being recovered daily
>The Space Marines are mighty, Humanity fuck yeah
>Your dad names you First Among Equal
>You still betray him because some shady daemons showed you visions about a future that literally can only happen if you betray the Emperor
Don't be so sure, anon.

>>52658392

This is the correct answer >>52658462

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Which primarchs are choccy milk
Which primarchs are strawbee milk

>>52655729
The answer is easy anon.
Blight is a fucking hack who has started to actually believe the bullshit praise spewed on him from the fanbois.

>>52658529
>>52658462
gold is despatched, my good sirs ;)

>>52658645
Consider suicide

> hundreds of tons of metal box carrying hundreads of tons dudes dropping from the orbit, accelerating in terminal velocity
> have to evade a random poor sod underneath, instead of crushing him into a pulp

Why

>>52658392
Magnus

>>52657602
This. Swkhmet are the best. Justaerin are really adaptable. BS5 within 12" means their shooting is great, furious charge and ws5 mean their assault is great, plus they can deep strike. Tyrants are super solid in most situations.

I think fire drakes are also up there.

As far as Regular terminators go, imperial fists cataphractii with storm shields and it assault cannons. Alpha legion terminators with mutable tactics and banestrike combi weapons means they can blast meqs, teqs, MCs, and vehicles and also assault meqs, teqs, MCs and vehicles and also sweeping advance. Really underrated unless they go after or get attacked by a Death Star unit.

>>52659131
Alpha legion tartaros

>>52657602
>>52659131

Gotta roll on Sekhmet buffs though, otherwise you just have ninja termies unloading plasma bukkake on your face on turn 1 or 2, then unleashing S10 nukes on turns 3+.

>>52656719
That is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
Got any more of birdboy punching shit?

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>>52657300

Why didn't Big E just pick Guilliman? Was he jealous of his superior empire?

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>>52658440
>manlet
>Big dick

nice try word bearer boi you just mad sisters of silence want real alphas

>>52656906
>by M32 most people on Earth will be a dark vanilla
I doubt it really, despite all the natgeo articles about how everyone will look the same in 200 years. People tend to stick to 'their own type' far more often than not. I think people in the west are tunnelvisioning really hard. Yes America and Western Europe are globalizing and 'increasingly diverse' but you don't see similar trends to such a degree elsewhere.
Take China for example. Han areas are still practically ethnically homogeneous. Most African countries don't have significant amounts of people with differing skin colors either.
The whole 'impending ethnic melting pot' meme seems to me to be a classic case of assuming current trends will continue forever.

>>52657300
He was too emotional, too caring, too good, and too pure for this world.

Also he said the first one and offered up Horus as a replacement.

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>>52659179
alas no. bizarrely, it seems people just don't want to produce art of best primarch beating up inferior warp scum. Have him prepping an energy attack as some recompense.

>>52659222
>space yiffer
>opinion anywhere near considered

lol

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>>52657777

>>52659179

You're going to have to wait a year or two before more people are motivated to draw art of the greatest Ninja Warrior gauntlet to have ever been conceived in fiction.

>fucked up the landing zone
>proceeded to chop off half of the World Eaters legion between the landing zone and the palace
>punches a Bloodthirster to death
>flies into a midair wrestling match with a Lord of Change on his way to Horus' flagship
>breaks the back of the Lord of Change when he finally lands on the flagship deck
>with 1HP remaining, cracks Horus' armor before meeting his end

>>52658947
This is correct, because psychic powers.

>>52658947
>>52659416

magically enhanced erections don't count

>>52658645
>Which primarchs are choccy milk
Vulkan
>Which primarchs are strawbee milk
Magnus

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>>52659453
I'm not sorry.

>>52658858
Gameplay balance.

Units already present have deployment seniority.

>>52659432
Then still Magnus because he's the biggest primarch anyway.

>>52659394
>with 1HP remaining, cracks Horus' armor before meeting his end
Sanguinius has hull points? I mean I like the idea of Dreaduinius as much as the next guy, but it's still stupid.

>>52659500

>tall white booknerd bigger than big black blacksmith

ok

>>52659517
I think he meant "Health Points" my dude. Vidya.

>>52657300
Because Space Jesus had to die for your sins, anon.

It's was the only way it could have ever worked out, especially given how heavily he was slapped with the "Jesus" brush.

>pure-born child is birthed into a desert realm by the light of a new and brilliant star
>grows in spirit and skill and intellect to levels far beyond his years, even educating the intellectuals of his day from a young age on philosophy
>claimed by a god to be his living son
>Basically lived without sin or flaw
>virtually nobody has anything bad to say about him except people who want to usurp or overcome him, and even then it's "this guy is too good"
>is tempted by an ultra-powerful demon in the middle of a desert during one of his most trying moments, but manages to overcome temptation and ensue the salvation of his sole and the sole of his followers
>sacrifices himself at the hands of a traitor so that the light of God might reach all humanity
>has fucking angel wings
Kinda had a thing for blood and put a whole lotta emphasis on it ritually

>>52659599
>Sanguinius = Gay Spehss Birb Jesus

>>52659599
>ensue the salvation of his sole and the sole of his followers

Does he have a foot fetish, too?

>>52659500
Do you not watch porn? The best hung dudes are skinny manlets.

Life isn't like your Oriental Tijuana bibles where the best sex makers are fat, ugly, old men.

>>52659663
>watching porn
Virgin detected.

>>52659663
>Do you not watch porn?
No, actually.

>Oriental Tijuana bibles where the best sex makers are fat, ugly, old men
Please tell me this is not a thing.

>>52657745
>why couldn't they simply make Loyalist fleets 'disappear,'

A. They do, sometimes, because they can. These fleets later tend to show up as Space Hulks or Daemon-ships crewed by the more damned.

B. Gellar Fields make it very, very difficult to fuck with a ship for all but the most powerful of entities or the currents of the Warp itself. It's not impossible for it to get pried open, but it takes a pretty powerful being to do it and survive the process.

C. The Warp is an ocean almost in a literal sense - though the Warp is populated by the Chaos Gods, they do not own it or control it outright - the Warp is an entity all its own that ebbs and flows based on the material realm and the will of various gods (including the Emperor). As such, sometimes the Warp just does what it wants.

D. The Chaos Gods are creatures of such titanic proportions and incredibly alien perspectives that understanding the how and why of their actions is almost meaningless, because we simply cannot understand why they do things the way they do.

E. Ships are pretty tiny, and the Gods have a fuckload of other things to do, like fight each other or play mind-games with themselves. Do you notice every minnow in the pond? No, because you're too busy hunting for catfish or alligators.

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He's, uh, aiming...yea, that's it. Aiming his weapons through that console.

Hoo boy...

The problem is these bikes don't have handlebars, but there's slots on either side of the console where it looks like their hands can go. Problem is, in order to get the arms far enough that it looks like the hands are in there, it ends up posed like this.

>>52659714

>aiming

He is browsing his fucking phone on the dashboard while driving a bike. This is bullshit. I'm calling the Space Wolves police.

>>52659714
Why does it look like he's got his head down in shame?

>>52659714
>Dat Mouldline on the backpack

>>52659714

He looks like he had a heart attack and died.

>>52659714
>"Emperor save me from this humiliation..."

>>52659746
Because the head doesn't fit in the chest hole if I try to pose him with his head raised.

>>52659475
>>52659355
Commendable skill, questionable motivations. It's like the Photoshop/Gimp lite version of Curzefag.

>>52659531
No no. Riptideguinius when?

>>52659660
>Jesusguinius washing his Praetorpostoles feet
Anon, don't put these thoughts in my head.

>>52659714
Mate, just give it up. You're not going to make a good jetbike out of that, you've been posting it for a couple of days now and it still looks shit. Scrap it, and go with the Kromlech one, scavenge some of Sammael ones or just give in and buy the FW ones.

>>52659691
>>Oriental Tijuana bibles
You know he means Manga tapestries, right?

>>52657300
That's what Horus wondered also, until Sanguinius assured him that he was the right choice.

Amongst others of his kind, the Ninth Primarch was the most charismatic. There is a reason why out of all the legions, Horus wanted the Ninth as far away from the traitor legions as possible.

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>>52659777

>>52660152
Just like in my Chinese shadow puppet theaters?

>>52660130
Yea after that I've given it up, maybe someone else could make it work but I'm not good enough with plasticard.

>>52660166
>Sanguinius was the most charismatic
>But that was Horus' main trait as well
>And some also say it was Lorgar's too
>For some reason the ones who have the most Sworn Homies are Vulkan's children.
I don't even care anymore.

>>52660166

I suspect his reputation as a goddamn Titanslayer also factored into it.

>>52660212
He was extremely aloof with anyone that wasn't his brothers or father. Even his legion saw that he was distant.

Sanguninius never could have connected to mortals like Horus or especially Lorgar did.

>>52660243
Aloof? I always remember him as caring and attentive, yet also trying to not diminish the people around him.

>>52660214
True, ripping apart a phantom titan with your bare hands and then tanking a point-blank psi-lance would do wonders for one's reputation.

>>52660286
If I remember correctly, Sanguinius was helpful, but the fear of the red thirst is what distanced him. He didn't want anyone to know, and he was fearful even when his closest brother learned of it.

>>52656954
Different anon, but I could see that working, as long the models aren't just Custodes with a different paint job yeah. Just add enough bits and you should be good.

I've got no idea on vehicles though, maybe steal other xenos vehicles parts?

>>52659394
>proceeded to chop off half of the World Eaters legion between the landing zone and the palace
>flies into a midair wrestling match with a Lord of Change on his way to Horus' flagship
>breaks the back of the Lord of Change when he finally lands on the flagship deck

Wat, where is this from?

>>52655378
You realize more Custodes can be made, right?

>>52660683

More or less scattered throughout 6 editions worth of fluff.

>>52660742
>half the fucking world eaters

poor angron

GW/FW really needs to just exponentially increase numbers on stuff.

Great Crusade? 200 years for all the shit they've tried to cram in? The Legions were able to conquer most fo the galaxy in that time and in the pitiful numbers of them that existed?
Bullshit. Make it 500-800 years long before Horus goes lolchaos and drastically increase Legion sizes.

40k? A million marines? Yeah because that makes sense when there's a million worlds to cover. It's nonsense. Make it 100 million marines throughout the galaxy.

As said above. GW can't into numbers. And it gets harder to ignore when they keep trying to make a big deal of it.

>>52660823
Seeing how easily the galaxy fell into turmoil, it's quite apparent that the conquests weren't perfect. I mean, all you gotta do is bomb the shit out of them until they surrender, then you can scribble their name onto the roster and send in envoys and Army to bring the planet into total Imperial compliance.

Also, did the Great Crusade even conquer a million worlds? Surely the Imperium has changed its composition since then. Macharian crusade brought a thousand new worlds into the Imperium in a decade. And, after he died, those planets revolted requiring another 70 years of crusading to integrate them properly. So how "complete" was his conquest if that was to happen. Seems like he just rode in, crushed major resistance, named the planet after his left testicle and rode off, leaving others to clean up the mess and set up shop.

>a million worlds to cover

You do realize those world include stuff like research outposts with a dozen techpriests slapping their dicks together and shit, right? And there's plenty of worlds that haven't seen Marines in centuries in other than pictured on the walls of a church. Marines usually operate where there's danger about, they don't patrol every planet in the Imperium.

>>52660729
the issue is only like 3 have actually died or some stupid shit, you might as well give the forgeworld versions eternal warrior as well to make them even closer the fluff.

Losing more than one squad should cost you victory point or some shit

>>52660925

Reading Tempest right now:

>In those days the Imperium was formed of millions of individual worlds, semi-autonomous thrall realms and treaty-bound tributaries.

>>52656719
>that scene in fear to tread where he uses his sword to pin a greater daemon to a wall, so he can beat the other greater daemon into submission with his fists.

>>52661445
>rips wings off uber-bloodthirster
>"Only angels may fly."

So, Horua Heresy, the Emperor's death, Black Crusades and whole shits all meaningless now?

>>52661502
According to BL, yes. Everything was pointless except the webway war.

>>52661516

According to the Point of View of certain characters in Master of Mankind.

They could be wrong anon.

Btw, how the hell was there no-marines-seeing-daemons and shit for 2,300 years in pre-Heresy but daemons, corruption everywhere in 40k? Was Chaos hiding somewhere?

According to the pov of freaking Emperor himself and ADB's afterword that is.

>>52661496
Shut up, don't turn me into a beautiful Blood Angel fan!
The audiobook was horrible, the dude was all the voices

>>52661654
Ah, I just read the book. That does sound horrible.

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So many WIPs, so little time.

Mind you the Coronus have so much left and they're fucking gigantic.

>>52657252
Anybody?

>>52661502
>>52661516
>>52661586

The heresy itself was necessary and inevitable. The only outcome which remained in flux was whether or not the Emperor survived. He did, although His timetable was set back dramatically by at least 10k years.

What comes out of events in m42 is anyone's guess, but His plan still stands a good chance of success - its just that it no longer lies on the back of humanity, but on the shoulders of all defenders of the galaxy who are willing to side with humanity.

>>52661788
>The heresy itself was necessary and inevitable.

Why?

>>52661725

Fuck, how do you do it? I come home from work and after I do everything I need to do, I have like 2 hours left to myself.

>>52661834

The Emperor forsaw that the heresy itself will happen regardless of what He does. What He could not forsee was the exact events and outcome of the heresy. If it wasn't Horus leading the heresy, it would have been someone else. The very nature of the Great Crusade, His talented and warped Primarchs, the sheer might of the Astartes, all of it would have caused a Heresy no matter what measures He took to mitigate it.

Unfortunately, according to BL's current interpretation of lore, the Emperor had no real contingencies for Magnus breaking Terra's shielding and the Horus Heresy. This is hard to believe still; but perhaps the implication here is that whereas the Emperor considered His ultimate vision doomed, humanity might still surpass His expectations in the far future.

And not only humanity, but all the other xenos races whom He wrote off or would consider useless to His cause.

>>52661835
Honestly I sometimes stay up until 3-4 Am painting; and some nights I need a break so I just play Overwatch or something before I hit the gym.

Lately I've just been cutting out my other hobbies just to paint and concentrate; listening to music or having some background noise is immensely helpful when carving out stuff.

>>52661927

Good stuff. My work comes before my minis, but grats to you.

>>52661725
Absolute madman.

What legion should I paint the space Marine helmets on my night lord trophy racks? I'm leaning towards Dangles

>>52662171
Salamanders, Raven Guard, and Iron Hands from Isstvan V. The only victory of the Night Lords throughout the entire Heresy.

>>52662206
C'mon they trolled the Dark Angels and Ultramarines pretty good.

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What model is pic related?

>>52662255
>gets their legion permanently shattered by the Lion
>utterly annihilated by the Ultramarines despite outnumbering them 5 to 1
That's some top tier trolling m8.

>>52662782
converted polux

>>52659222
wait wait wait
those wolves look mighty human.......
Are they larger than the normal space-wolves that turn into wolves???

>>52663274
Look at the sisters none of the sizes make sense

>>52657241
>>52657120
Do sekhmet have specific models or can you use any terminator to represent them?

>>52663769
They have models sculpted but they haven't been released yet.

>>52663769
They got a Catapharctii conversion kit coming and 40k rubric terminators work as Tartaros suits.

>>52662782
But were either of those faggots on Tera?

>>52656558
You wanna know the reason why?
because Custodes Ally as "Agents of the Emperor" and thus are counted as sworn brothers to all LOYALIST forces, however they cannot ally at all with traitors.

>>52663877
Wew rekt

>>52656966
Tyrants

>>52659355
I love how much of an asshole Fulgrim and the EC are, hence why I'm builing a small army. Besides, purple and gold looks so good togethere.

What's your personal favorite color combo?

Like, Main X Sub Y (Main purple and Sub gold in case of EC)

Doesn't have to be Legions ones. Any combo.

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>>52664423
Purple and gold is pretty good, but I'm a sucker for red and white.

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>>52664423
Red, black and silver does it for me

>>52664423
Black and light blue. Lothern Blue is such a lovely colour.

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>>52661725
You should do 1 black and gold if you're doing any warders.

>>52664669
I have a third Caladius coming in and I was planning on having it and a squad of Hetaeron as some detachment of Warders.

>>52663739
But what if they're the missing Primarchs?

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>>52663274

>>52664669
>>52664710
To be exact, I have a Shield Captain, Hetaeron squad of 5, Contemptor Galatus, and Caladius to paint in those colors.

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>>52664812

>>52665127
Outstanding.

>>52663885
Then were does it say that Talons of the Emperor count as Agent of the Emperor for allies ?

Still nothing that prevents anybody from allying SW and TS to anything they like ....

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Ok, I might have figured a way to salvage this. The problem I had with the mantic bikes was the prongs on the front, they just didn't look like a design of the Imperium with the weird space between them. I tried to remedy that by clippins the ends of the prongs and filling the gap with plasticard for a smoother look, but...well, you guys saw how that went. But wahat if, instead of putting the prongs on at all, I just put on the other little winglets that are supposed to go into the prongs on the bike where the prongs are supposed to go themselves? Looks sleeker, no weird gaps, no shitty plasticard, looks imperial, and you can actually see what gun the bike has. I might even be able to change the posing such that the riders won't look like they're asleep at the wheel.

>>52661590
Ursh, the biggest evilest nation on age of strife era terra was a chaos worshipping witch controlled nation.

>>52661725
Lovely, anon. How did you do the gold, and how did you do the red?

>>52663877
>Night Lords in charge of damage control
Just accept that your legion will always be shit unless it has vast numeric superiority or is bullying innocents

Is the Thunderhawk Gunship any good on the tabletop? I know I want to add a big centerpiece model, and it's that [new model] or the bigger stormbird

If I cut the Valkyrie's tail off, would it look enough like a Arvus?