Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Is it worth dropping an assault unit, in my case asscents, in a drop pod or going for the LR for the assault ramps?

I've got 3 assault centurions and pedro kantor in a drop pod. If they drop they can flame/shoot, orbital strike, but cannot assault.

If I grab a LR then I can get the assault on the same turn. I am just afraid that they will get blown to bits if they have to sit for a turn.

Reminder that gw is fully supporting shadow war, doomsayers get fucked
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/05/shadow-war-armageddon-rules-support/

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First for the Enlightened Legions.

First for orkz!

>Wrapping up a few last Chaos models before taking a break
>Tally up the points of everything, since I never actually checked how much I had
>4K points, easily

How did this happen?

>>52553778
sisters/inquisition/custodes expansion when

Where's the dumbfuck who had an autistic attack when somebody said that ORIGINALLY 40k was designed as an extension of the fantasy universe? Read White Dwarf 93 fucktard. Then neck yourself.

>>52553775
I think they'll be okay if you drop them in cover and have Pedro tank some hits. Being able to fire off melta does mean they might earn some value quickly, while a Land Raider is a pretty large investment for an already expensive squad.

>>52553806
That's what I am feeling too. I love being able to assault on turn one but if I put in the LR then I lose so many points.

I currently have melta on the sergeant and flamers on the other two for split scope shots, do you think all should have melta?

Sup Khornedogs. How do I do a decent looking brass?

>>52553819
Flamers might be fine. My personal preference is a melta on the sergeant so he can split fire and try to blast a tank, but it's probably not going to make or break things.

It should be easily enough to strike them behind a wall and have them stay safe for a turn, though if you're really worried then go for the raider

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Im thinking attending a small tournament later this month and could use any advice on how to improve the list. Criticism is very much appreciated because this will be my first tournament.

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I'm switching to Tau from SM, cos I like their models and I want to run a gunline of traditional units. Do you think you would enjoy playing against this in a casual setting?

>>52553859
Well, you earn points for having Railsides in that 60" over watch formation. Only thing I would warn against is that Fusion suits tend to be obnoxious, and gun lines in general tend to be more boring due to how static they are.

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>>52553849
This is the list I am looking at with the LR

>Cronos Parasite Engine
Is it true that DEldars want to sleep with that thing? What a bro unit.

Why shouldn't I take 6 units of 6 Noise Marines with Icons of Excess, sonic blasters, blastmasters, doom sirens and power swords in Kakophoni formation with a Chaos Lord carrying a plasma pistol, Blissgiver and an icon of 4++?

How well will Harlequins do in Shadow War Armageddon? What will be my best option for making a list?

>>52553829
Balthasar gold, then Liberator gold, then agrax earthshade, then more liberator. Edge highlight with runefang steel if you're feeling edgy.

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>>52553886
Oh man, forgot to turn off rules

>>52553799
>Sisters
The day Kirby comes out in public and admits "making only models and no proper games was a mistake"

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>>52553906
kirby is gone friend

we rountree now

>>52553893
Because you should obviously take the Shriekwave for maximum noise

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>>52553905
This is in drop pods instead of LR

>>52553924
Things shall get loud, now

>>52553899
Amazing. The solitaire is a engine of pain.

>>52553878
I tend to come up against Knights a fair bit, and now my best mate has discovered the Corpse Thief formation for his Dark Eldar. I honestly couldn't really deal with either if I didn't have the fusion suits. I'm expecting them to get murdered the turn after I drop them, and everyone's used to me drop-podding GravCents with my SM anyway.

I know the Imperium hates all aliens, and that the Eldar and the Tau dislike the Imperium.

How are Tau and Eldar relations through? Do they hate or mostly ignore each other?

>>52553980
How should I run them? For my troupe master I'm thinking a power sword and a fusion pistol

>>52553924
>once per game
>doesn't function like a normal siren

Playing in a 500pt last man standing match at a local FLGS. What is the most Dirtiest thing i can do with only 1HQ and 2 Troops?

>>52554010
The eldar couldn't give 2 shits about the Tau but for the imperium thanks to herohammer 40k the eldar and the imperium are in an alliance

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>>52554010
The Tau and Eldar relations range from neutral to friendly.

Hey guys looking for some rules clarification please. If I summon bloodletters do they get a banner of blood or just an icon of chaos? Giving them +1 to assault results and the whole daemons deep strike thing, but not once per game 6+d6 for a charge.

>>52554033
Of what faction?

>>52554024
Then take the Bolts of Ecstatic Vision for something closer in function

>>52554071
I can rock any army, i gots the money ready to get it all sorted.

>>52554043
The Eldar named the Tau among the races they were planning to ally with against Chaos. Of all the races in the galaxy, the Eldar name dropped the Tau. This shows how much respect and regard the Eldar have for the Tau to even consider them. though they were dismissed because they were still too young.

>>52554064
>Friendly
>Tau invade craftworld and get BTFO by clowns
>Tau capture wraithconstructs and get BTFO by warhost

>>52554033
Night Lords. Get a Chaos Lord and put them in a max-sized cultist blob, then go to ground in cover for an insanely hard to budge unit.

What the fuck is up with the Traitor Legions supplement and shitty one use only relics?

>>52554124
Chaos Lords are Fearless, which disallows Go to Ground. What you really want is a Dark Apostle next to the cultists granting them LD 10.

anyone else have a urge to start collecting another army when your first isnt even done yet. iv been slowly collecting alpha legion but once i see or hear about another chapter/legion i wanna collect them. man its frustrating

>>52554010
Their interactions are few, but typically they don't clash. Generally though, since Tau prefer diplomacy and Eldar prefer pointless death, the Eldar will go with simply asking them to leave, which the Tau oblige and just pester them for how to contact them later.

Their only major conflict was when Dark Eldar raided a Tau colony then led them to a Maiden world, which the Tau 'ruined'. Unlear if that means an attack or just not wiping their feet, but eve, that was resolved as a misunderstanding afterwards.

>>52554115
Neutral to friendly. Alaitoc and Ulthwe are friendly to the Tau. Ulthwe treat the Tau fairly in war and with much more respect than they show to the humans (See Dwan of War).

>>>Tau invade craftworld and get BTFO by clowns

Dead Craftworld and it falls under neutral because the Tau were trespassing and the Harlequins acted accordingly.

>>Tau capture wraithconstructs and get BTFO by warhost

The initial Tau force was defeated after it defeated the initial Eldar host. Then the Tau came in force and the two sides went into a full scale war.

Both Tau and Iyanden found out that they were tricked into fighting each other by the Dark Eldar. Once this was revealed both factions disengaged. The Tau tried to reach out to Iyanden but the Eldar of that craftworld gave them the cold shoulder. The fluff says that diplomatic relations between the Tau and Iyanden are difficult and strained but it appears not hostile.

>>52554160
Well, you'd still have a 3+ in ruins on a fearless blob, which is all you need really. Could alternatively go with a Sorcerer, or like you said, a Dark Apostle buffing 2 blobs both with Zealot.

>>52554188
Don't the Eldar consider outsiders stepping foot on a Maiden World to be worthy of death?

>>52554173
I have for sure. Haven't even painted most of my imperial guard and already want to start skitarii and custodian guard...

>>52554231
Yeah, pretty much. Which is why the blurb describing the conflict that say they 'ruined' it doesn't make it clear. Odda are though, the Tau sent some pathfinder there looking for the raiders, since they don't know what a webway is, and they got sniped by rangers.

>>52554256
The Tau glassed the maiden world. The Eldar responded by leaving the new Tau colony of Kel'shan in ruins.

>>52554173
I know that feel. My murderbots are not done yet, but I would like to get at least the SC boxes of Khorne daemons, Sylvaneth and Lizardmen. It's not even that I couldn't afford it, but I'd rather have my first army completed.

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Tau are the bro-est of races. You cannot dispute this.

>>52554226
Sounds good, if i was playing without night lords, would it be a nerf?

>>52554079
Those don't work with the model. You know which model, right?

>>52553742
>pauldrons literally hovering over naked shoulders
I know it's Chaos armour and they don't gotta explain shit, but... really?!

>>52554281
The Eldar really should put fat warning signs on their Maiden Worlds. How were the Tau to know they weren't allowed to glass it?

>>52554033
Farseer on a jetbikes with two squads of skatbikes using ynnari rules

>>52554298
The benefit of Night Lords is stealth for the blob the HQ joins. 3+ cover is quite the nice boost for that many models, and it doesn't cost you anything except passing up marks.

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According to the op from another site, this was a 'friendly' battle between tau and sob.

>>52553893

Because it's expensive and slow.

>>52554281
>The Tau glassed the Maiden World

Source on this? Because I'm pretty sure the side blurb uses fairly vague terms, and indiscriminent orbital bombardment isn't really the Tau's thing.

Either way, it's still the worst conflict they've had, and even it only lasted for a few weeks until they cleared up the mistake.

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>>52553624
>>52553664
>>52553750
At least your gas masks actually have filters...
The tubes just dissappear into the hat

>>52554338
By not just glassing random planets. Anyone would be pissed off, if they found out someone destroyed their planet. They are quite lucky it was only some Eldars, and they didn't cause more harm then destroying one of their planets in turn.

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>>52554363
I deleted my Reddit account specifically so I didn't have to see posts from Reddit

Hey guys looking for some rules clarification please. If I summon bloodletters do they get a banner of blood or just an icon of chaos? Giving them +1 to assault results and the whole daemons deep strike thing, but not once per game 6+d6 for a charge.

>>52554385
>Source on this?

Iyanden supplement. The timeline section. The Tau thought it was a Dark Eldar base of operations.

>>52554388
The hat is lined with filters obviously.

>>52554421
seems like you fucked up by having a Reddit account in the first place

>>52554363
>painted tau
Im calling bullshit

Anyone have any experience with SLA 3d printers and scanners?

>>52554438
Is that even possible? theres no buldge or bump in his head or anything.

>>52553851
No one?

>>52554398
They were baited into it by the Dark Eldar. And no-one wants to fight Dark Eldar within visual distance, so the Tau did literally nothing wrong by nuking it from orbit. They just didn't know it belonged to the Eldar, and not their sick fuck relatives.

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>>52554363
Appalling

>>52554442
Alright everyone, let's pretend this thread is on the reddit 40k sub

>>52554398
I'm really not following the logic here

>Colony attacked by really spikey pirates
>only other thing in the sector is this really nice habitable planet
>no indication it's claimed by any faction
>scans show only a few buildings and outposts at most, because maiden worlds are just nice planets the Eldar called dibs on for the future, rather than full blown colonies
>the Tau, instead of their usual methods of sending in scouts to investigate, opening diplomatic channels, or launching precision strikes on what they assume to be pirate hideouts, are going to glass the entire planet
>launch hundreds and hundreds of plasma bombs and torpedos, wasting their relatively limited resources, in order to burn down what appears to be a lush garden planet

Absolutely 0 sense to assume they meant glassed

>>52554388
I didn't know Valhallans had masks too
I would have probably chocen the V for my army if they had at least an officer and heavy weapons teams.

>>52554442
Everyone makes mistakes. At least he took steps to correct himself.

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"Alright, the rhino is coming along nicely. I hate freedhanding but the squad markings are finally done. All that is left is to wash and edge highlight and I am done with this guy."

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>>52554363
Man, this is why Tau get a bad rap. I just want to play fire warriors and suits, don't boycott me because tardface brings multiple Riptides

>>52554477
I was mainly asking what specific word they used to describe the attack.

On a scale 1-10 how important is the DG decurion?

>>52554363
>taus are painted

oh look, free upvotes

>>52554524
"Destroyed"

>>52554512
I dislike that guy even more for owning multiple Stormsurges. I can at least understand why someone would want a Riptide outside of cheese, but Stormsurges just look like garbage

>>52554504
that III
ahaha at least you tried

>>52553742

Somebody else thinks chaos in general is cringeworthy but tzeentch/thousand sons are actual decent?

>>52554530
Important to who?

>>52554546
Riptides were only ever for the cheese. They don't even have a silhouette.

>>52554579
To the person using it.

>>52554586
So they're invisible from the side?

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>>52554503
>>52554442
>start 40k
>decide to go back on Reddit after years for advice because /tg/ was having autism about something else that day
>"wow your shitty first list looks great man, make some minor tweaks and you'll be golden, don't forget to upvote my comment!"
>"Le metal boxes XD"
>"there are no bad or good armies or lists, just play what you enjoy"
>been playing for years now
>instantly call out someone's list if it's shit
>fling insults on /tg/ constantly even if they know better than me
>literally no joy in my soul as I farm (you)'s
>am become neckbeards

>>52554502
Should have been around for the made to order, Got all my heavy weapons and officers when that happened.
Got 2 lefttenants, 2 meltas 2 flamers 3 heavy weapon teams, was set

>>52554477
>>52554496
I admi that I don't know the actual reason for the attack, or if they even attacked in the first place. It just seems really dumb that they would just go and nuke the planet from orbit, instead of sending some drones down for investigation.

>>52554600
I mean they are giant mounds of blocks with a huge gun hanging off one side. It makes absolutely no sense that they have jet packs.

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>>52554546
....I don't play Tau and think Stormsurges look cool.

>at LGS
>watch guy there get rekt by someone else's army
>as he walks out he gripes a little
>"you know sometimes you just can't get through the cheddar"
>guy who beat him waits for him to walk out
>"you know it always warms my heart when people complain about My army being cheesy"

Guess what army he played, the answer won't surprise you

>>52554640
>Ork haka
I was greatly disappointed not to see a dozen orks stomping around bellowing and slapping their thighs.

>>52554663
Tau

>>52554663
FUCKING ORK PLAYERS REEEEEEE

>>52554663
fucking nids man

i know that feel

>>52554606
Oh shit I completely forgot those existed even
Well, I do enjoy Steel Legion more I suppose.

>>52554663
As a Tau player, fuck this guy

>>52554530
Death Guard? 9/10

No reason not to use it, no reason not to field the Warband (Bikers, Sorcs, Bike Lords Havocs, Basic marines are good with fnp, t5 and relentless) + a unit of Spawn

I say it's one of the few mandatory Legion decurions

>>52554601
The game did sort of change in these last few years.

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Speaking of Steel Legion, I just counted my models and it seems I could replace these grenade launchers with lasgun wielding troopers if I wanted to
Should I?

>>52554740
>>52554687
You guys missed the easy one
It was a based Eldar player

The standard 40k WAACfag

>>52554726
Honeslty just give me plastic trenchcoat guardsmen and ill be happy, infact your probably please a shit ton of guards players as well, Valhallans, Steel Legion, DkoK, Salvor chem dogs, Wehrmacht fanboys, etc

>>52554812
I'm a total faggot and think trench coats and cloaks are the pinnical of cool, I haven't bought new guardsmen in almost a year and I'd instantly buy a platoon

>>52554679
>New Māori based Ork klan boyz!
>Dey got tats for dayz!
>Speshul choppas!

>>52554861
>Squig-tooth choppas

Sounds Orky.

>>52554363

>Painted Tau

You know, I have seen quite a few Photoshop in my time. And this is a pretty bad one to boot.

>>52554504
The paint looks like it's been applied quite thickly.

>>52554627
Well, based on the fact they said >>52554537 it's probably more of a matter of the Eldar overstating the extent of the damage.

>>52553859
Tau can't do static gunlines well, they are mobile gunlines. Staying still means you get dead.

Also stop being a bitch and give your commander guns. Buff commander is for bitches.

>>52554637
>Imperial player says based on shape riptides shouldn't be able to fly

>>52554447
>>52554532
>>52554904
They must be commissioned.

>>52554601
Reddit is full of autistic children and neckbeards. 4chan is legit a much better community.

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Shoplifter anon here with an update.
>Went into the mom and pop hobby store today on the other side of town. >Talked with the owner and said I just moved to the area and some other BS.
>talked with some people there and watched thier game (as I cased the store to see if the owners watched us etc)
>set up some of my figures I brought at thier painting station
>set my bag down and slowly started filling it with a box here and there ovrr the course of a few hours as I pretended to paint
>packed up my guys ontop of the stuff I nabbed
>said id be back and cool store yadda yadda
>made it out scot free with like a full 1k son set lol
Pic related

>>52554961
I hope the cops catch you bitch.

>>52554339
This one sounds good, as im getting the Ynnari box and book this week.

>>52554350
Ahh, not read the new chaos book.

>>52554955
That sounds ironic since 4chan is considered the sewer runoff of the internet but I totally agree

Fuck Reddit, their autism is the shitty version compared to 4chans

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>>52554961
Good swipe man, and the limited dice too? damn


Reminder that It's okay to steal Chaos and Genestealer cult models because you are just role playing as a downtrodden cultist liberating them from the Imperial clutches!

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>>52554748
>tfw to this day despise DG bikers

>>52554637
It at least makes more sense then Tau making giant robots that don't have Jetpacks. Mobility is their entire thing. I can buy them shoving a spaceship engine into a giant battle suit in order to keep it mobile.

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Is this enough bodies for 1250?

What should I spend the last 45 on? I could take an attack bike w/ heavy bolter perhaps.

Anti-tank: melta sternguard/asscents
Anti-MC: grav sternguard/grav tactical
Anti-MEQ: tac/scouts/sternguard
Anti-TEQ: centurions
Anti-air: I am fukt

>>52554951
Most people that play tau "Lists" for tournaments always have their riptide army commissioned. Avoid WAAC and tourney players like the plague, they are a cancer on the game.

>>52554961
That's just so increadibly fake

Thanks for letting us know you're 13 though by thinking shoplifting makes you a big guy

>>52555007
4chan provides top kek too, and no shitty emoji shit.

>This fad with /pol/ and Shia is the funniest thing I've seen.

>>52555010
>No khorne or slaanesh raptors
For what purpose

>>52555049
That was back when raptors were a specific chaos cult as opposed to just CSM with jump packs.

>>52554961
With this much shit missing in one go there's no way you can go back there

>>52554961

Shoplifting... sure thats a dumb crime to get prosecuted for, btw in the UK theft is enforced harsher than murder, good luck.

>>52554936
He has two cyclic ion blasters, and target lock. He's sitting in the drone unit so I can throw craptonnes of markerlights at a potential deathstar with TL BS5 on turn one and two. I'd expect the drones to die fast, at which point the commander bails into another unit, possibly Fire warriors to give them that sweet TL combined with the Ethereal's storm of fire buff. The ion blasters are for when he's one of the last units on the board at turn 4-5 and can lay the hurt on elite infantry squads.

That's the basic idea, but obviously subject to change depending on the army I'm playing against. I'm not buying any more models so I play with the units I have available.

>>52554950
But I play Tau

>>52555097
And there a very anemic race yet can magically fight better.

>>52555081
>obviously subject to change depending on the army I'm playing against
>List tailoring

Gross

Anyone have any advice for a first time resin caster?

>>52555118
>what is technology

Tau are I2 WS2 BS3. They're shit physically, and have no depth perception so they compensate with targeting tech and hardy battlesuits. They don't fight better, their technology does.

>>52555162
Don't get cancer.

>>52555175
Serious question about that, do you need a mask when filing FW resin peices?

>>52555146
Tactics are subject to change, not the list you mong. Like when I'd bring a drop-pod list, I'd adapt to the opponent's and choose different units to drop first to minimize the risk of damage. If I was facing down a gunline of lascannon tanks, dreadnoughts went down on turn two, not one.

Does anybody run Stormboyz or Zagstruk? Are they good (for Orks standards)? Is getting this worth the $12.25 off? https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Da-Vulcha-Skwad

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>>52554961

>>52555201
It's highly advisable. Just a disposable facemask is fine.

>>52554033
Cawl and skitarii vanguard with plasma calivers

>>52555232
thats dirty. i like

>>52555201
You don't NEED a mask, but it is a good idea if you'd rather not gamble with your lungs.

Is it worth worrying about flyers at 1250? I have gravcents but nothing with skyfire, and I'd have to dump 100 points on a defense line to get it.

I suppose I could make one of the centurions ML/LC with flakk but idk if that'd be enough.

>>52555226
Ok, thanks for the tip. Do I need to do it outside or once it settles is it no big deal?

>>52555010
>people take DG Havocs with heavy weapons despite them not being allowed by fluff

reeeeeeeeeee

>>52555261
Above 1000 points is the level where is say worrying about flyers is advised. The defense line is probably the easiest option overall

>>52554637
Anything can fly with sufficient thrust applied continuously.

>>52555201
Only when sanding, if you just cut out flash with a knife, there's no dust to inhale.

>>52554043
>herohammer 40k the eldar and the imperium are in an alliance
Seriously?

>>52555173
I'm thinking of there lanky frail 'superior pilots'.

>>52555307
>Havocs
>Nurgle
>Yes

What table are you looking at?

>>52555317
Would a librarian in the mix be enough? If I see a flyer I can go for shriek

>>52555341
Check the DG page mate. Models with MoN can't carry heavy weapons. DG Havocs only use special weapons.

>>52555261
It should be alright inside, but either keep your mask on for more than an hour afterwards or move to another area when you're done. Scoop it up and bin it once it's settled, keeping your mask on.

>>52555118
Mary sue codex.

>>52555010
>No Khorne Havocs

'Cares not from where the blood flows'

>>52555345
You could take a Librarian with the Technomancy domain or whatever its called. A lot of the powers on that don't need to roll to hit.

>>52555340
Air Caste lore is pretty contradictory, I agree. Unless their craft have inertial dampeners, the G's should kill them.

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>>52555337
Aye.

>>52555355
Dude, that's Eldar. Anything humans do, they can do better. 20,000 years of preptime and all that. Tau are shit without their tech.

>>52555353
>>52555329
Thank you. I have a drop pod to put together in the near future and this will be helpful to know. If it's warm enough I will sand it outside w/ a mask.

Also, does anyone know if the FW dreadnought drop pod and the regular SM drop pod have the same dimensions? Is it acceptable to use the FW as a counts-as for the regular one?

I'd like to avoid buying stuff I don't need.

>>52555356
Mark of Khorne models could only take bolt and plasma pistols.

>>52555307
That's some shit fluff then; DG in 30k are big on flamers, but don't they also have a thing for heavy weapons?

A relentless heavy weapons gunline sounds about as fluffy as it gets for DG

>>52555388
Don't they even outmanouver Night Scythes in this one game, which makes zero sense?

>>52554961
I'm calling the inquisition

>>52555261
You could also do the filing inside a bucket of water or something. That way the dust won't go anywhere.

>>52555388
Also, the part where they are better-honed fighters or portrayed as being flawless. Fucking Tau weeeb propaganda.

>>52555415
And people try to say Khorne has no sense of honor

>>52555222
check'd
also any answer for this?

>>52555417
Makes sense for HH, the reason why DG gets no heavy weapons is because Nurgle corruption makes it impossible to take care of more complex wargear.

>>52555448
He used to. They've been changing the fluff a lot, for better or for worse, and now "cares not from whence the blood flows" is taken completely literally, i.e. murdering innocents/noncombatants/allies

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>>52555485
Pic related must have been done more recently then.

>>52555492
I still like the idea that while Khorne might care, he still has preferences. Obviously he should like a dude with an axe killing the strongest guys he can more than some guy with a machine gun mowing down civilians from a safe distance.

>use Death Guard on bikes
>get screeched by autists

Not my fault that the DG codex didn't make bikes or transports cost more

>>52555492
Realm of Chaos/Slaves to Darkness was pretty clear on his view towards bloodshed. Rip someones head off? Neat. Sack a City and execute everyone? Bueno! Betray your comrades and pile their skulls up as a tribute to him? Well now you're teasing his dick!

>>52555539
>it's not my fault I'm a WAAC faggot that only goes for the strongest combo

>>52555443
To be fair, most army books nowadays are guilty of hyperbole. Eldar, Space Marines and Grey Knights are some of the offenders.

>>52555567
>"p-please gimp yourself so I can w-win, you stupid WAAC fag"

>>52555567
>forced between nurgle raptors or nurgle bikes in a warband, for the vectorium
>autists screech at you for picking bikes
I don't get it. Nurgle wouldn't be like "Ew bikes get them away from me"

>>52555593
>>52555567
Now kiss

>>52555388
No, it isn't. They are adapted for life in space but are frail and clumsy on planets.

>>52555567
>Strongest combo
>Not Relentless Havocs

>>52555539

Honestly I know it's not how it's presented in the fluff, but I kind of like the idea of Nurgle Bikes. Disease has both fast and slow vectors, and Bikes have the relentless approaching death factor better than Raptors do.

What's silly is it's literally a mandatory option to take Bikers or Raptors in the Warband. There's no ability to -not- take death guard bikers/raptors/warp talons unless you were going to outright not use a formation they included as a core choice in the decurion.

>>52555604
I want to fuck a clumsy Air Caste Tau!

>>52553799
>Custodes...

1 model and maybe another one after 5-6 games. You have to spend your promethium just to get weapons for one mission etc.

>>52555598
Nurgle should have access to attack bikes or somethinf

>>52555604
you are aware that gravity extends beyond the surface of a planet?

>>52555526
That pic is in the same codex actually. Occam's razor, that's not a heavy bolter.

>>52555616
Retards get the idea that nurgle doesn't implement bikes because pre heresy Death Guard refused to use much of any transports ever.
Dumbasses.
>>52555638
Now you're pushing it

>>52555664
Isn't the real simplest explanation is that Chaos marines having arbitrary war fear restrictions is pretty stupid from a fluff perspective?

Why are little plastic dudes so fucking expensive?

>>52555616
If argue Raptors are more fitting. Give them all Beakie helmets and have them be Plague Doctors, or model them as more insectile to fit with Nurgle's fly and bug theme.

Relentless Plasmagunners with feel no pain would also be pretty fun for assault purposes.

>>52555701
Because people still buy them.
I buy recasts for that reason. People won't stop buying them no matter how much GW inflates cost without increasing "research" or "overhead"
Buzzwords meant to confuse retards into shilling for GW

>>52555688
I just want to see some pox ridden mutated giant get killed, only for his body to burst open releasing a horde of Nurgle loving daemons.

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>>52555616
Well Mortarion was an infatrymen and so was his legion. Jump infantry is still infantry. And destroyers, one of the favored Death Guard units used jumppacks. Bikers are the signature weapon of Mortarions main enemy during the HH, the Khan. So if you model them with insect wings, or paint them up as destroyers, jump packs aren't that bad, where bikes embody your old nemesis.

I haven't played in a while and am having trouble understanding how formations work, can I take just an army of random formations and call it a list or do I have to use one of the specific formation detachments?

>>52555740
Mortarion abandoned his legion thousands of years ago, even before they split apart and went their separate ways.

Why should modern DG give a shit?

>>52554468
Gas mask filters are typically fabric-like layers interwoven with compounds that react with and neutralize certain common chemical weapons, but in theory any thick enough layer of fabric will trap practically all particulates and most chemical compounds denser than air will deposit on surface areas, which fabric provides an abundance of.

tl;dr: he's not using his hat as a filter, he's using his hat-shaped filters to keep his head warm.

>>52555616
The Nurgle bikes thing isn't about Nurgle himself, it's about Death Guard.

>Even after the end of the Horus Heresy, the primacy of the foot soldier remained ever the trademark of the Death Guard. Their grim Primarch Mortarion prefers to utilise huge waves of infantry, well equipped and highly trained on an individual
level. He demanded that they be able to function and fight in almost any kind of atmosphere, and gave little emphasis on specialised units such as those using jump packs or bikes.

>>52555764
Mortarion still leads his Legion. The DG are based on a world where they're essentially the nobility in a feudal system. Mortarion rules the planet from a giant throne on the highest mountain.

>>52555721
>nurgle pox ridden marines with giant fire rocket boosters attached to them
It doesn't make sense which is why everything else that flies with nurgle utilizes wings or helicopter-like propulsion.

>>52553939
This silence offends Slaanesh

>>52555800
Sorry too busy masturbating....

>>52555740
Except they're not technically death guard bikers, they're nurgle bikers. This isn't Horus Heresy, Mortarion doesn't function on his own free will nor does a majority if not all of Nurgle marines.

>>52555796
The raptor hump packs are the more old school style Jet turbines anyway. Besides, no reason you can't swap that out for a more fitting pair of wings.

>>52555826
Where did you get this idea? Death Guard are actually one of the few organised legions left.

So when deathguard get their new models, are they going to get more formations?

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>>52555764
Why are EC still doing drugseven though they can't win a fight anymore because their leadership is high? Why are WE still slaughtering everbody in melee when they can just bombard them from orbit? Why are Thousand Sons still angry about pic related?

Nostalgia and a feeling of unity amongst their former kin of course.

>>52554297
Chaos would like to have a word with you.

>>52555826
>They're technically not Death Guard bikers
>Arguing about how the Death Guard rules for the Death Guard legion should be able to have Death Guard bikers

If you want generic Nurgle bikers, then just take them in another legion or detachment that isn't death guard :^)

>>52555356
All my havocs are female
Problem solved

>>52555859
Are they labeled Death Guard bikers?
They're nurgle bikers in a Death Guard legion.
Would you call scouts space marines? No, they're just employed within a space marine force.

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>>52555774
Exactly. And a jump pack fueled by your own armours power supply is way more reliable than a 700 kg bike that needs 11 barrels of promethium for every planetfall.

>>52554601
>CSM vs CSM
>he concedes bottom of Turn 4 with 3 models left on the table
>his only meaningful kills were a Rapier battery, a Dreadnought and 9 CSM melted by repeat Baleflamer hits
>my list is hardly optimised, but everything is at least reasonably capable of earning its cost back and has a role that has synergy with at least one other unit in the force
>gently point out to him that Chosen kitted out like the DV kit are a terrible idea; they're worse than Terminators and more expensive
>I didn't want to make him feel like a retard, but goddamn

>>52555843
Pls no, why can't we just go back to the CAD? I'm sick of GW forcing me into taking units I don't want to take for the sake of making Chaos viable.

>>52555413
Yeah but eldar don't play the underdog card, which tau constantly do.

>>52555920
They'd run on nurgle juice obviously

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>>52555898

>>52555859
The point is that the "legions" are less organized due to loyalty to their old leaders than just keeping doing what they're doing.

The Cult legions are especially guilty of this, they're generally widely fractured and mostly bound due to the direct service of their god.

>>52554601
>posting a fluffy list under the point level of 1850
>asking for optimization only to sperg out when given advice
>"I didn't want the most optimized list!"

>>52555691
Fucking this.
>can't maintain heavy weapons
>ludicrously complex shit like plasma and meltaguns are A-ok whilst heavy bolters and legendarily reliable autocannons are too hard to keep functioning

>>52555936
We are just arguing if bikers in a DG specific formation are part of the Death Guard or if Mortarion outsourced the whole fast attack slot. But DV chosen are really bad yeah. But with plasma guns many assault units get overwhelmed , how many attack the return when you charge them.

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what are a good army for somebody completely new to wargames? looking to start off small with a 750-1000 point list

>>52555967
They're not death guard bikers my man, just nurgle bikers.

>>52555989
Autocannons is especially dumb, since any Chaos marine Warband could probably just raid any planet and find plenty of them with even the local PDF forces

>>52556007
Come paint yellow marines with me, friend.

Or you could be my arch-nemesis iron warriors and we can have epic 1000 pt battles

>>52556007
List your favorite factions based on looks and we'll give you advice from there.
A new edition is going to drop sometime around summer so it's not a good idea to get a full army at this point.

>>52555774
>Little emphasis on specialized units such as those using jump packs or bikes

>Jump Packs or Bikes

They're both by your own quote equally as de-emphasized.

>>52555920

>potential to crash, burn, and explode versus sitting on a bike
>more reliable

>>52555980
To be fair though, this isn't actually true. The Black Legion, Word Bearers, Thousand Sons, Iron Warriors and Death Guard are all relatively well organised.

All of them apart from the Black Legion even have a homeworld, even if they operate independently from each other most of the time.

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>>52556031
man Iron Warriors look pretty cool, you maybe onto something Anon

>>52556051
I play fists, I'd like an IW buddy to play 40/30k with.

I too am a noob though

>>52556048
The Thousand Sons were very disorganized prior to the events of WoM though. They were essentially a ton of individual sorcerers all doing their own thing with a fraction of rubrics under their control until Magnus united them. Ahriman was especially indicative of this.

>>52556067
Everyone gets hatred on each other.

>>52556047
>implying I think either is fluffy

DG Raptors aren't one of the go-to units in this codex. Once start people taking them and giving all their HQs jump packs then we'll talk.

>>52554504

Obligatory THIN YOUR PAINTS!

https://youtu.be/m3p_VuPIS2c

>>52556083

If neither is fluffy but one or the other are required to fit the decurion, why not pick the one that's go-to? Seems that's nerfing yourself for the point of it.

>>52556039
I guess Iron Warriors? I too have a fetish for hazard stripes and cybernetics

>>52556081
>>52556119
Oh good, some heretics to have grudges against and fortify positions toward

>>52556115
We're talking about the fluff. Nerfing yourself for the point of it is kind of the point.

>>52556047
>Crash
>Burn
Explode

As if true DG had to worry about something like that. but a mere Nurgle biker maybe has to

>>52555951
They are underdogs in the grand scheme of things. They don't have the infinite resources of the Imperium, nor the reinforcements. They have a tiny system sandwiched between two hive fleets and rest of the galaxy. And they don't even have warp travel. In individual battles they are powerful, but there is not a hope in hell of them surviving if the Imperium decided to launch a full-on Crusade.

>>52556119
Look at everything 40k on GW's website and on Forgeworld's website then get back to us.

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[Autistic Dialtones]

>>52555031
for you

>>52556016
It's entirely retarded and a shitty attempt at trying to justify what was a purely balance decision, since any non-vehicle model that could move and shoot heavy weapons was considered OP as fuck in 3rd/4th.

Are there any formations worth using from the tau codex? I'm new and I have a bit of tau units, but don't know if I should try to make one. I play casual 40k with 4 other friends. We all play a different faction so it's nice.

>>52556083
Well i hope Mortarion gets Hatred(more than 5" movement) as soon as 8th come out.

>>52556209
Don't use the cheese shit like Riptide Wing and Optimized Stealth Cadre

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Do we have any idea as to how many fleshy TS are left? Lexicanium is mostly useless in saying the Legion had a total strength of 10,000 to 85,000 at the start of the Horus Heresy. I'm trying to figure out how rare it would be to run into a TS Sorcerer for a game I'm running.

>>52555026
>anti-air
If this is a casual game and the guy brings a flyer when you don't have one, don't play with him. Its a dick move, so ya you don't really need AA.

>>52556243

after warzone: fenris and Gathering Storm there may be 15 Rubrics left.

>>52554363
I hope this man gets testicular cancer.

>>52555222
>>52555451
I dunno, m8. Stormboyz are like faster, more expensive Slugga Boyz. Easier to get into melee with, but they'll end up more expensive than a similarily kitted out Boyz mob. Zagstruk's not that good, since only his HoW attacks are S8 AP2, but after that he's only using a Choppa with Nob Stats. Then again, this is for Orks, so I'm jot sure how good they are in relation to the rest of the codex.

>>52554173
I play Guard, but I find myself really wanting to start an army of _SoB_.

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>>52556209
Ranged Support Cadre is nice, gets you 3 units of pathfinders and 3 units of broadsides. The pathfinders have infiltrate, and are shrouded if they don't move from their starting position (when the game actually starts, after inflitrate and scout) or if they fire guns that aren't markerlights. The Broadsides can fire overwatch for the pathfinders from any distance within their weapon range.

The best formation is the Hunter Cadre, which is pretty fucking clsoe to a CAD with some extra rules attached. If three or more units shoot at the same target, they get +1BS and count as one unit for the purposes of markerlight use, meaning you only need to expend one to up the BS of those firing units. Great for focussing down targets such as deathstar blobs or superheavies.

Check out the Kauyon and Mont'ka books for more dastardly formations.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Tau(7E)#Formations

>>52556312
SoBs seem really cool but its impossible to have an army of them in this day and age. hopefully the rumours of Plastic Sisters are true

>>52556230
I have one riptide cause I found it at a half price books. I have 2 hammerheads and paranhas, 20 fire warriors, 6 crisis suits, 32 kroot with 3 warshapers, a sniper drone unit, an etheral, and a fireblade

>>52556313
Hunter Cadre also extends the range of Supporting Fire to 12", so your whole gunline can fucking overwatch something dumb enough to charge you.

>>52555010
>Raptors
> No No No No
What a crock of shite

Someone needs to create a Yvraine page on 1d4 ASAP

the Yvraine smut and promotions shouldn't be forgotten

>>52556197
DG didn't have relentless in the old codex.

>>52556337
You could run a Hunter Cadre with the Crisis Suits, Hammerheads, three Kroot units, the sniper drones and the piranhas. Use a Crisis Suit as the mandatory Commander.

Run a CAD alongside it with the ethereal, fireblade and fire warriors. Pay 50pts for an Aegis line in the CAD if you want.

Can you kill shit you don't have LoS to with a Torrent weapon? Like, say that I draw my 12" out and then place the template so it turns a corner onto a group of dudes hiding behind a piece of terrain. Can I legally do that?

>>52555998
More than anything I was surprised at how weak his list composition was since CSM really doesn't forgive that shit, but I bit back the urge to go full neckbeard on him.

I fell for the Chosen 5x weapons meme while rebuilding my IW list, I realized you really don't get your points' worth having one extra special weapon for the cost over Havocs; Formations make Heavy Support slots less of a rare currency.

Even after Traitor Legions dropped and certain Legions get bonuses for Chosen such as Infiltrate, it's still not worth it to do anything load them up with more than a bunch of flamers and offload your plasma/melta vomit duties to something that can perform almost as well for 25-40pts cheaper. Meanwhile IW Havocs get Tank Hunter so I had even LESS reason to run Chosen.

...I'm starting to feel more and more like this is not just smart list building and is actually turbo-autist optimization.

>>52556427
and throw the Riptide in instead of a unit of Crisis Suits if you want. you can have 3 units of suits, no more.

What is better, a scout squad with a heavy bolter or a tac squad with a gravcannon but no transport?

I have the points for that but no rhino.

>>52556397
No, but they had SnP or something like it that allowed them to count as stationary when shooting. Plus True Grit that let them charge after firing with bolters, which was a big deal in 3/4E.

>>52556460
Heavy bolter benefits from IF chapter tactics, so I think it is good.

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Hey guys, looking for abit of help. never played a game of 40k, mainly just being collecting and painting but i thought id make a small army list to help me decide what i should buy next.

this is an alpha legion list i made lemme know on improvements to it but they are the units i wanna use. i know stuff like hellbrutes are generally bad but i like them.

lemme know your thoughs on it. thanks

>>52556427
Would pathfinders be a good investent then? Any unit recommendation's to get more of?

>>52556433
Csm listbuilding has many traps, like plasma on raptors. My chosen do fine when they share a ride with my lord and my sorcerer but its DG so it doesnt count (relentless and all).

>>52556431
No. Flamers do not have the "may kill models out side of line of sight" rule.

>>52556337
Alternatively, a Retaliation Cadre is nasty. One Commander, three units of Crisis Suits, a riptide, and a broadside all Deep Strike on turn 2 automatically, and get +1BS for that turn. They also all get Relentless, for the only time you can have a Relentless broadside.

>>52554504

>Photo taken in hand
>Not able to stay inside the lines
>Not painting with full coverage
>"Edge highlights" as thick as a thumb, and on one item of a full model!
>No washes or shades
>No highlights (except the storm bolter)
>Arrow....
>and that 3... oh man...

This is bait... right?

>>52556493
I don't think in CSM you can replace 1/5 Marines with a special gun, I think it's only 1/10 unlike LSM.

>>52556514
There are quotes around it, it's obviously a joke.

>>52556494
Pathfinders are excellent. They should be your main markerlight source, and should always hug cover. They're relatively cheap for what they do, and they can chain markerlights off each other. If you run with multiple small squads it will minimize the damage when they die or fall back, and ensures that you can mark lots of different units.

>>52556367
Back then Chaos Raptors were a unique cult who didn't worship any of the Chaos gods rather than csm with jump packs.

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>>52556535
Loyalist detected.

>>52554504
"Hey man, really great job so far! Some highlights like you said and this could be a masterpiece!"

>>52556493
Good list, could need some rhinos but at 1000 points you wont have to many battlecannons to worry about.

>>52556575
I play Orkz.

>>52554173
Own a decent sized Necrons force.
But got Dark Angels, admech, thousand sons w/daemons with models that need painting.

Got a whole load of dark eldar on hold as I couldn't figure out a scheme I liked.

Also got a squad of harlequins and the three heroes painted before I realised how restrictive the detachment is.

Uhhhhh......I'll get them done

>>52556596
Xenos filth detected.

CSM have always gotten 1 special weapon at 5 models and either a heavy or second special at 10

>>52556494
Broadsides are awesome as well. Put early warning override on them for 5pts a model to give them Interceptor, and laugh as you vaporize incoming deep strikers with missiles. I run them in the Ranged Support Cadre for the extra slots, because my Hammerheads take up my heavy support and having three separate units of Broadsides lets you pick different targets. Always bring two missile drones per Broadside, they are the only unit that can get them, and they are basically lying autocannons at 12pts a model. Just remember that Broadsides have all heavy weapons, and aren't relentless. Never move and fire with them.

>>52556613
Ah, I see. Can't LSM bring like Lascannons every 5 models despite being heavy or something?

>>52556643
No. They can combat squad into two five man units though.

>>52556656
Ok, thanks.

>>52556493
Hellbrutes are fine for cheap infantry support like what you've done, just don't hinge your plan on it living long.

LatD can be fun with infiltrating tarpits, but they are weak and expendable, and you've done wisely giving them nothing more than a flamer each.

Chosen are expensive but you can get results with Infiltrate. Just play these guys smart as they are going to be priority #1 for your opponent.

Only issue I see is that your CSM have to footslog, you've got the Raptors for some mobility and the Warband gives them ObSec, but ideally I'd have at least one CSM squad buttoned up in a Rhino. BUT, it's 1000pts so not much you can do, really.

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>>52556535
thats for a squad of 5 (default)

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>>52556579
yeh i think if i moved up to 1500 or 1850 whatever is popular in my area i guess adding vehicles should be a first priority

thanks for imput

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uhmm

>>52556470
You could charge after firing a bolter in the 3rd edition without any special rules, true grit only gave you an extra attack.

>>52556768
Templates one doesn't sound very good.

>>52554559
Literally this. Every single other Chaos legion is just "a bunch of fuckos wanted to be powerful or have a lot of sex" but the thousand sons are actually tragic and interesting. The idea of Tzeentch is actually interesting.

The Treachery of Tzeentch spell having brutal betrayal being a manifestation of the powers of CHANGE is so cool and way more interesting than Khorne wanting to have the biggest kill boner and Slaanesh just being the manifestation of sex-deprived neckbeards.

>>52556768
>vehicles get wounds

i hope y'all tank lovers are happy now

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>>52556804
you must know alot about the chaos lore if all are >"a bunch of fuckos wanted to be powerful or have a lot of sex"

>>52554504
At least the tracks are mostly attached to each other.

>>52556835
Now what are the chances of that?

>>52556753
Well thats the one thing IG does very well, spamming pieplates.

>>52556768
>bullshit rumor spam

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>have 2 copies of the 4th edition CSM Codex
>one of them is really badly damaged and ripped, will propably have to throw it away
>look at my figure case, which I've planned on decorating for quite some time

I might just have the best idea ever.

>>52556768
I'm okay with that, templates is sad, it gave some dept to your deployment, now you can just bunch them up in cover and everywhere you want to without any fear of losing them all.

>>52556804
>Every single other Chaos legion
Wrong. Night Lords and Iron Warriors just wanted to straight-up kill the Emperor for all the unspeakable bullshit he'd put them through, and Alpha Legion are basically /k/, who want to oper8 until the end of time and masturbate over complicated plans.

>>52556243
Pretty decent chance, although less when compared to facing marines who are part of the other legions.

The TS do kidnap psykers and turn them into Astartes as we know with Khrove, so there is a chance their numbers are a lot bigger than one would expect.

>>52555407
Guilliman saluting Xeno leadership is clear betrayal of the Emperor no matter how any can try and paint it. Guilliman should be on the look out for the Officio Assassinorum if the writing here was competent at all.

>>52556804
*raise hand*
What about nurgle? Is nurgle ok?

>>52556916
you'll want to protect that somehow

Can't really laminate the side of a case, but something along those lines.

>>52556162
I mean the underdog card in the sense that every battle is "because of tactical genius, against all odds, our plucky heros prevail!"

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>>52556804
> Every single other Chaos legion is just "a bunch of fuckos wanted to be powerful or have a lot of sex"
>the thousand sons are actually tragic and interesting

>>52556944
Are IW /r9k/ then? And WB /pol/?

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>>52556992
*looks at a spray of purity seal*
*looks at the case*

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ADRENALINE CONTROL
FOREVER FIXED MY SOUL
CURSE BY MY SIDE
BRING JUDGEMENT IN DISGUISE

>>52556944
Fuck, Iron Warriors and Heritech are pretty badass too, actually. Forgot about them.

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I AM THE WAR
NEVER DISARMED
I AM THE WAR
WITHIN MY ARMS
I AM THE WAR
SUPREME COMAND
I AM THE WAR
LIVING ON THE EDGE
I AM THE
W
A
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>>52556965
Who cares about corpse Emperor and his beliefs.

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I SMELL THE RATS OF MENDACITY
NAPALM FOR YOUR NUDITY
I PRACTICE WHAT I PREACH MY GOD
DEHYDRATION OF YOUR BLOOD

>>52557000
Isn't that modern 40k in a nutshell though?

>>52556768
These rumors are just about as accurate now as they were when AoS first launched.

(They aren't accurate)

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>>52556916
Holy shit, why did I never think of that?
Looks cool as fuck m8.

>>52557079
Sauce?

>>52557079
Your porn cartoons are shit.
You are shit.

>>52557079
You'd presume his children...

>>52557103
In many situations yes, but it's pretty much been all tau has done from the start.

>>52557180
Tau constantly get their arses kicked in the lore.

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For me to legally use Celestine with my Custodes, do I have to have her allied in with one troop squad?

If so, I'm thinking a squad of basic Sisters would work.

>>52557027
WB are absolutely /pol/
IW I'd say are more like the /tg/ neckbeard stereotypes; everything other people do could be done better, and any time the IW are defeated they pull a That Guy and claim they fucked up on purpose to troll... somebody.

>>52555616
I might be confused here...but Death Guard Havoks are indeed relentless. They can take Veterans of the Long War, which means they MUST take Veterans of the Long War. Units with Veterans of the Long War gain Relentless....as per Traitor Legions

>>52555764
WTF are you talking about? Mortarion never abandoned his Legion... in fact he led them through the Eye of Terror and conquered the Plague Planet. Nurgle promoted him to Demonhood for how good of a job he did transforming the Plague Planet into this crazy Nurgle Death World......the same planet that the Death Guard are based on...the same planet that sends out the Death Guard when Mortarion decides they need to go

>>52557202
read her rules

Im currently running iron hands at 3k but REALLY struggling. I run an almost pure vehicle based army, he runs mechanicum with an ordinatus saggitar with calleb decima.
For anyone wondering what this means:
10" Strength D ap1 that re rolls 1s on the D chart.
Calleb gives it +1 on the pen chart that DOES accumulate with ap bonuses meaning +3 to damage charts. Meaning no matter what, ive lost a gun right off the bat when it shoots. :/

How do i deal with it?

Do units in formations take up any space in a FOC?

>>52557300
Xiphon Interceptors.
Also, 3k in 40k? Why? May as well go 30k at that point.

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The points got a bit arsed up in the list creator because they don't have the Chaos storm eagle/fire raptor working properly but it all equals out to 1850.

Would you claim skulls with this?

>>52557300
Either diversify or spread out your assets better. I run IH in 40k and as a general rule of thumb, I never take anything that costs more than 200pts.

Contemptors are the most expensive thing I run.

>>52557202
>>52557297
or more specifically, the rules at the start of the section shes in explaining where and how she can be taken

>>52557335
Each detachment (yes, formations are detachments too) is its own completely independent entity. Units can only belong to one detachment, unless specifically stated elsewhere

>>52556768
>1
Hate it but my wallet will love it
>2
Hate it. I guess it will balance things against hordes and monsters but fuck off, I like templates, just rolling a dice is so bland and soulless in comparison.
>3
Dislike it, vehicles are shit but at least armour valvues make them unique and not just more monster.
>4
Seems like a good idea if they don't spam rend -1 and -2 on everything or else armour will still be worthless but in new ways.
>5
>6
>7
GOOD

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>>52557367
To be fair it's a bad list, might be better than the one you posted but here it is
Honestly looks fun as fuck to play.

the ordinatus iron hands issue is in 30k btw sorry

>>52557079
>no headress
dropped

>>52556835
vehicles already have wounds, they're called hull points

>>52556768
If these are true, which I doubt, they are all good.

I hope the templates one extends to blasts as well, because fuck blast weapons right in the ass, just give me xd3-d6 hits.

Also fucking finally vehicles will just be a different flavor of MC. Fuck the whole AV system.

>>52558148
Except they have no saves. They're just shitty MCs at this point, which get extra penalties if you give them so as a stern look.

Can Park make Look Out Direct rolls? The AM codex just mentions he's a character which seems pretty vague.

>>52558283
Look Out Sir* fk my phone.