Warhammer 40k General - /40kg/

First for Tzeentch is the best god!

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Just about done with my Caladius Grav Tanks and I'm so salty Custodes can't use them in 40k. May just count them as allied Fire Prisms or some shit.

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Second for Taking the Knot

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FEAR MY UNHOLY XENO ALLIANCE.

>>52443337
I fear your unholy paintjobs

>>52443337
Looks like the work of an 8 year old.

is playing death guard outside of the decurion worth it? losing the reroll on FNP seems huge, but I don't want the tax units.

>>52443322
Just play them as counts-as landraiders or something.

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hope i didnt fuck up too bad

>>52443381
You just reroll 1s on FnP. But what tax units? The two squads of CSM? I hope you are not another flufraping disgusting bikefag.

>>52443392
it this a meme?

>>52443337
THIN

>>52443392

Pre-wash?

>>52443414
I have 6 bikes on the sprue laying around so I was thinking of using them yes

but I want lots of raptors and the deep striking helbrute formation. I'd also love to field a defiler somehow because I have had that model for ten years it seems like I've never played it in a single game ever.

Truthfully 1 squad of terminators or chosen, and 2 squads of CSM aren't the worst tax ever, but I have no plans for those units and they don't excite me too much,

Worst are the lords, which every formation requires for no reason at all. Lords are not good, unless you either kit them out or plan to use them to soak wounds/provide fearless.

>>52443392
Pretty good all around although I'm not too sure on the choice of base design. Did you drybrush his fingertips?

>>52443491
>Cheap customizable HQs aren't good unless you spend the points to customize them

You don't say?

>>52443392
Looks good...

The hair looks like cheese and laurel looks like cabbage though. They're hard to get right anyway.

The armor looks pretty good, especially those golden details, and the base is solid, though that green might be a little too strong.

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What's a good name for a homebrew Space Marine chapter that is played as Iron Hands, is fleet based, and focuses predominantly on cleansing Space Hulks?

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>>52443337

>>52443507
it isn't that they aren't good kitted up, it is just that even maxed out they are never great.

If you try to make a "budget lord" with just a little bit of wargear, like say a power weapon and a 5++ save, they end up not doing very much and you might as well have had them be a super 5 support lord.

Terminator armor on lords costs a lot while also restricting access to all the good wargear, and in some cases makes wargear more expensive. Terminator lords may be cool, but I don't think they are good at all.

Death guard have fearless already, so the only use they have for a MoN lord that is lacking gear is to take wounds, but this isn't an efficient use of points.

A fully loaded biker lord of nurgle with the mace is probably the best build, but it costs a ton of points and will make people whine about fluff or something.

I think Vrosh Tatertot is actually a really fun budget HQ, but it is impossible to beat the sorcerer on value.

>>52443431
no, its not a meme, i just finished guilliman and i need feed back without driving 20 miles to jew-dubz
>>52443475
i dont understand what a pre-wash is
>>52443513
thanks. i only have yriel yellow and i dont want to buy more colors around this range to make the hair better, hehe, but it looks better in person...the laurel too
>>52443493
the finger tips are drybrushed in calgar blue

>>52443516
Iron Cleansers
Steel Scourers
I dunno, I'm about to pass out

>>52443445
YOUR

>>52443516
The Reclaimers
Steel Vultures
Iron Jackals
Scrap Wardens
Derelict Divers
Rust Angels
Star Eaters

>>52443639

MEMES

>>52443639
BODY

THIN BODY = THIN PAINT
SCULPTED ABS = SCULPTED GREEN STUFF

>>52443615
I'd recommended touching it up and going over it with a highlight as it looks chipped and unfinished. Same goes for the red on your purity seals. Excellent job on the sword and face, the face especially. Oh, last thing I'd recommend is darkening his hair so it doesn't look like he's wearing a wig made out of sweetcorn.

>>52443261
>implying Lorgar isn't a giant chaos spawn since there are no undivided chaos daemon Princes besides Belacuck

>>52443710
What about Iron Pete?

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>6 Reavers w/2 Meltas and 2 Caltrops vs a Razorwing Fighter
What should i take most of the time? I keep pondering this everytime i take my army down to play

>>52443745
reavers

i think they are way better

>>52443750
question about 30k: What's a flare shield actaully do, mechanically?

How's my Iron Warriors/Renegades list?

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>>52443797
Forgot pic

>>52443750
Hmm might need to put the RJF in the shop unless i know they have flyers then

>>52443797
it's okay

>>52443755
Tracking system that displaces energy in a projected cone to reduce incoming fire.

>>52443755
Crunchwise: Flare Shields reduce the strength of all shooting attacks in your Front-armour by 1 point, except for the case of Blasts, in which it reduces it by 2

Fluffwise: Flare Shields work in a completely different direction from other shields in the setting. The Automantic Shield explosively detonates and deflects projectiles before they reach the target, while the Void Shields outright absort anything that strikes them. Flare Shields totally defy the convention by causing impacts to spread out over a larger area.

Say a HEAT round impacts against the hull of your tank? With the flare shield active, it causes the initial impact and penetrative force to be spread out over a wide area. "Power equals force divided by distance", and it increases the distance function of that equation.

>>52443516
Star Chasers

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>>52443392
Great job on the armour!

My only suggestion would be so make a smoother transition between the orange of the blade and the yellow stripes going across it, and possibly make them follow the direction of the flames a bit more.

Something like pic related.

>>52443635
>>52443639
>>52443833

These are interesting and have put me in the right direction, thank you guys.

Any suggestions for a fun and fast dark eldar list?

So far I have:
2 Raiders
1 Venom
20 warroirs
6 Jet bikes
5 Incubi
2 Sslyths
And a Archeon (or whatever they are called)

Anything obvious that I need to make this a fun list?

>>52443849
thanks anon. i know i could work on the sword a little more. thanks for the tip

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>The warrior known only as the Visarch was the first of the Eldar to harness the power of a Cronesword. He was once known as Exarch Laarian, but since encountering the Daughter of Shades, he has become something stranger and more unsettling than one of Khaine’s shrinekeepers. Once an Exarch of considerable standing upon Biel-Tan, the Visarch taught Yvraine in her former life as an Aspect Warrior. Seeing much potential in her acrobatic skills, he was greatly saddened when she left his shrine. He could barely accept that she had forsaken the way of the Dire Avenger in favour of the Witch Path, but when she later chose the way of the Outcast, and eventually a life of murder and moral decrepitude in Commorragh, his spirit broke. Though he would not admit it to himself, the depths of his feelings for Yvraine diverted his course. In a nighunprecedented lapse of tradition, the Visarch left his shrine in the hands of his foremost disciples, breaking the faith of the Exarch tradition to follow Yvraine along the dark thread of fate she had made for herself. Posing as an Incubus, he fought his way to a position of prominence in the Dark City, the better to keep watch over his ward. In the grand shrine of the Scarlet Incubi the Visarch discovered the first of the Croneswords, a great weapon – known as the Sword of Silent Screams – that was used by the shrine’s Klaivex as if it were no more than a powered blade. Sensing the relic’s import, Laarian struck down the Klaivex and took the sword as right of conquest. Perhaps it was this act that saw him embody the ancient Eldar more than most; perhaps it was his ceaseless study of the arts of death that drew him close to Ynnead. Perhaps it was fate alone. From that moment on, however, Laarian found a deep and spiritual connection with the God of the Dead. He has served him ever since – and in doing so, been drawn to Yvraine’s side once more.

So is he her adoptive dad or cuckold?

>>52443872
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Dark_Eldar(7E)
It's sink or swim in the Dark City little Kabalite

Though you've got the basic Archon + bodyguard in the Venom and 2 Gunboat squads

>>52443872

2x10 warriors w/Splinter Cannon in Raider with Night Shields and Splinter Racks
2x3 Reavers with Caltrops
Archon with Husk Blade and Shadowfield and 4 Incubi inside the venom with splinter cannons

What are you guys doing while we wait on the next edition?
Still playing games?

>>52443902
I'd say he's basically her once Drunk Dad who, after seeing her all grown up, decides to sort his shit out

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>>52443915
Getting into AoS

Its ok

>>52443902
Nope scrap, that's the WD backstory.

Here's the real one :

>The Visarch stalking Yvraine until she pulled the sword out of Biel-tan infinity circuit and gift him. There, the end. He done absolutely nothing from that poine.

>>52443615
>pre-wash

I'm asking if this is before you throw a wash on the whole thing to mute the more vivid bits somewhat.

>>52443915

Waiting for Shadow War, hoping that will keep me hyped enough while we wait for 8th.

I'm excited to get into a game system that will be set up so that the only investment I'll have to make if I want to start a new army will be a $40 box of models as opposed to the $200+ it takes to get most armies to 1,500 points in 40K proper.

>>52443872
Lacking in anti-tank, consider trueborn with blasters and scourages with haywire

>>52443915
Going to be playing Shadow War, and a guy in my group wants to introduce more people to Blood Bowl.

>>52443907
>>52443914
>>52443946
Thanks

>>52443902
>>52443934
Also Yvraine is the first to discover the cronesword. She pulled it out from her ass. That's what's in the book.

>>52443872
needs more anti-tank

the venoms make for fantastic trueborn carry squads.
use a squad of 5, give 4 blasters, drop them on the venom.

I'd run at least 2 of those, or you can do 1 trueborn squad and some scourges, similarly kitted out.

jetbikes are also great. incubi make fantastic archon guards, slap them on another venom(or a raider if you get maybe a couple more sslyths/more incubi)

I'm also a huge fan of taloses, but they're not exactly fast, and fluffwise don't make sense to be without a haemonculus(who kinda suck unless you kit them out with covens shit)

>>52443812
ty

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>>52443635
>Steel Scourers

>>52443337
Ughhh THICCC

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>>52443961
If you wanted to be tryhard, like me, here's what you could aim for at 2k

and by tryhard i mean All or nothing Victory

>>52444038
>that archon loadout
for what purpose?

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>>52444063
>Blaster for drivebys
>Sword(AP3) for backup if he gets into combat
>SF for 2++ save if the bodyguard fail

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>>52443261
>Chaos Sisters
Isn't that Miriael's job?

>>52444096
God I really hope her and Celestine go at it.

Like I want to see them both on near equal footing.

>>52444092
>blaster
misses out on extra melee attacks if you kept them with a blast pistol
>ap3 power sword
huskblade is the same thing with instant death, agonizer is poisoned AND ap3

>>52444110
pretty sure miriael is either canon dead or squatted.

>>52444112
>Archons are supposed to be in melee
Nope

If you want a Melee DE HQ you go Succy w/Glaive and Armour of Misery

>>52444110
That would be badass, though I don't see how Miri would stand a chance unless she got some serious buffs (or just swarmed Celestine with Fallen Sisters).

>>52444110
>Implying she could do shit to Celestine unless they competed in lesbian sex
>>52444139
>Swarmed with Fallen Sisters
She is the only "fallen sister" still.

>>52444121
considering they haven't touched SoB fluff in any meaningful way in over a decade it's hard to say.

Is a Leman Russ punisher with 3x heavy bolters any use against MEQ? Assuming no Commander/Pask.

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>>52443915

Hyped for Shadow War, hoping my Orks can be decent in that. Already intrigued as to what Snazzguns do.

>bullets, blasts and grenades

>>52444169
>Assuming no Pask
you'd do better with a battle cannon

>>52444150
Newp. Corrupted SoBs have been a thing ever since Daemonifuge. They're just ridiculously rare and the Ecclesiarchy usually takes care of them before anyone finds out about it. Miriael's unique in that she's the only sister who willingly fell.

>>52444180
I love the sound of some of these rule changes.

>>52444202

I'm just really hoping this is a sign of what's to come in 8th.

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>>52444180
>terminator armour 3+ on 2d6

CHAOS SISTERS
CHAOS SISTERS
CHAOS SISTERS

>>52444212
Definately. More than anything I want the game to step back from the knight/flier/superheavy fuckery, though.

>Chaos Sisters
>When there haven't been new loyalist Sisters in twenty years

>>52444247
They fucked off to Chaos

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>>52444218

Can't wait for Terminators to be Great Again

Anyone got an cool Trukk conversions?

>>52443337
There better be nobs in that naut

New Renegade epub when?

>>52444272
Gathering Storm Companion book epub when?

>>52444180
I hope this isn't a forshadowing of what kind of weapon stats we might get in 8h edition.

It's cool to see them use 2D6 on a 3+ save for Terminator Armor.

>>52443516
Space Janitors

Custodes a worthwhile ally to take for Space Marines? Got a squad for my birthday today but I'm still new to the hobby and only have the Space Marine SC Box, 2 x SM tactical squads and three rhinos. I've only been playing pretty low point games because of my lack of models and wondering if it's worth taking Custodes as allies in low point games.

>>52443337
DRINK
YOUR
PAINT
WATER

How acceptable, on a scale of 1 - forge world, is it to use a contemptor in place of an ironclad dreadnought?

I have contemptors from B@C/custodes box, but I want to use a dreadnought with a drop pod so I'd be forced to use an ironclad.

>>52444247
*cough* Geminae Superia *cough*

Is two Leman Russes good for 1000pts of Guard? They're supporting each of my two platoons.

>>52444317
Not especially. They're basically super vets. Marines don't really need even more elite troops. Don't let that stop you if you like them though. You can still make it work.

/tg/ orkses in a 1000p game would you rather have 6 killa kans backed by a deff dread kitted with rokkits or ditch 3 kans for some tankbustaz in a trukk?

>>52444394
Those tankbustaz. Or some Mek Guns.

>>52444409
even with BS3 kans armed with rokkits?

i have 2 mek guns that im running as zzap guns atm

ive got 2 trukks of boys with rokkits plus a dread and 3 kans all armed with rokkits.

i cant decide whether to get another 3 rokkit kans or bash some tankbustas together and buy another trukk.

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How does this look for 1250? I am trying to make a CAD, since I normally tend to try formations and I might be at too low point levels to make it work.

Combat squad the tacs, park the heavy + 4 on an objective, send the rest to pursue another.

Cents in a drop pod, drop hopfully near the rhino team to tear up some big guys.

Lib w/ prescience joins LC devs in the defense line for rerolls.

Chap with the bikes

>>52443724
He should be a oblit now. With battlecannons, a railgun, a turbolaserdestroyer, etc

>>52444364
Depends, what support do they provide?
More dakka? Anti-armour? Pieplates?

I guess it also depends on what your platoons are equipped with

>>52444480
>Perturabo comes out
>MC/GC Oblit with heavy conversion beamer, hades autocannon, baleflamer, turbolaser, battlecannon

GW please

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This is what I mentally picture every time I see this thing

>3+
>On a 2d6

So they go from being meh to being fucking invincible to anything not AP3? That's fucking stupid, I know they are supposed to be tough but I don't think that's the way to go about it, why not keep the current save and have terminator armour give them +1T?

So all this leaks of Shadowars has got me with the Nexromunda bug again.

I have a complete set of the old cardboard terrain but I'm missing the plastic bulkheads that went with it.
Any ideas on how I could replicate it to be put to use in Newcromunda?

>>52444510
ap3 and below is super common, plus they're only t4

>>52444510
Weapons are going to have armour modifiers

>>52444510
>>52444519
AP3 isn't the same anymore, it's a modifier to saves now.

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What are the odds that DP Mort's rules are as good as DP Magnus?

>>52444499
They're exterminators to provide fire support to the platoons. the HWT are equipped with lascannons.

>>52444519
That's what I mean, they still die just as hard to all the standard cheese weapons, but extra T would help that.

>>52444510
>>52444519
AP will not be a thing anymore. Armour modifiers are though. Making termies a lot more resistant to small arms fire.

>>52443261
>Chaos Sisters will never corrupt you by sitting on your face
Why live

>>52444527
If you don't have any battle cannons, you want battle cannons. You only take exterminators when you have at least two battle cannons already.

>>52444502
What is this?!? 2010?

>>52444510
This was how they worked in 2nd Edition.

>>52443392

Face is too flat, sword is shit, just watch duncans tutorial

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>>52444502

>>52444526
>as good as DP Magnus?
Imagine if it was as good as 30k's Magnus.

>>52444530
by the looks of the leaks AP 3 weapons will probably be -3 save mod now.

>>52444537
A BS 3 Blast? A single cover save and they're fine. Won't exterminators kill more with sheer volume of fire?

>>52444180
>Power axes
>No save mod
>More strenght than power mauls, a weapon known for making a mockery of knight armour, also without save mods
I don't get it.

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>>52444526
Very low, and even if, the new edition could change anything again. All his stats will be 7 because muh nurgle, so he isn't that though. Maybe of he gets some nice special rules, buti doubt it.

>>52444597
Str gives save mods.

>>52444596
But ID is a thing and its a large blast after all.

>>52444510
Because there is a big difference between 2+ and 3+ with what amounts to a reroll, in a world where a plasma bolt is -3 to armor saves.

>>52444596
even at bs3 a large blast is likely to get more hits on a unit than the autocannons.
Cover effects botg equally so it doesn't really matter.
Exterminator is only better against light-medium tanks. Otherwise battle cannon is a good general purpose gun.

>>52444608
Nah i doesn't. Its obviously an extra stat

>>52444608
No. It does not.

>>52444618
>>52444624
There's a another page where it lists what str values give what armor mods.

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>>52444618
>>52444624

>>52444537
Battle Cannons are shit and over-rated. They scatter for miles, force you to snap-shoot everything else, can be largely mitigated by cover, barely tickle any vehicle tougher than a light transport, and are heinously expensive to boot. Exterminators with a Lascannon and Multi-Melta can kill off enemy vehicles with ease and still put out enough shots to harass infantry.

>>52444636
Hold on that makes a space marine with a power fist a -6 to armor save? A power sword a -4. Or does that save mod in the column on the weapons table override the normal save mod?

>>52444611
>>52444615

So two battle cannons instead? I've been told that HWT are overpriced and too fragile. But how do I deal with av/13/14?

>>52444703
>how do I deal with av/13/14?

Veterans or Scions with Meltaguns.

>>52444696
I think they stack, and yeah that sounds right.
In those examples it makes them function the same as the AP 2/3 they are now (except against terminators)

>>52444608
>>52444636
I see.
And D3 Damage means it does D3 wounds? Instant Death is done away with?

>>52444718
Is that it? I know it's good but it's so boring and stale.

>>52444721
Probably. Damage would be the number of wounds inflicted on a failed save.

>>52444696

The table specifically says model's strength, I'd interpret that as the model's strength before applying the weapon's modifiers.

But I might just be wrong, I'll have to see when the rules come out

>>52444636
So charging someone with any powerweapon will steal him most of his armour save if it isn't a terminator?

>>52444762
Yes, but you only ever make one attack per combat if I recall correctly.

>>52444762
A power axe will put him at a save of 7+ forcing invul saves.

>>52444762
Well, power weapons are known to go through pretty much every kind of armour, and even Termie armour fairly easily.

>>52444762
"Power Weapon" used to be a rule that meant the weapon ignored armour saves, and the terminator armour's invulnerable save started as "this armour's save may never be reduced to less than 5+"

>>52444791
You get the number of hits equal to how much your roll beats the other player, or just one hit when you win from initiative due to a tie.

>>52444696
>>52444755
If it's like 2nd ed. they don't stack, it's just whichever is higher. And that chart only applies to weapons that have "USER" as part of the strength value. Basically some weapons, like power swords, are still very effective in the hands of a normal human, whereas others are more lethal for stronger combatants like marines.

>>52444804
No. Not in 2nd. ed./Necromunda rules. That was a 3rd ed. rule that came in with AP.

>>52444762
Generally power weapons make mincemeat of power armor, yes.

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So, I decided that while I finish up my dark angels army, I'm going to start buying IG sprues and start collecting. Thing is, IG is different from Space Marines pretty drastically. Orders, Vox Range, Command Squads, I don't know any of that.
So, what I ask, is if any veteran IG players happen to know of good sets to start with, and what to start building towards.

>>52444597
I think it's a typo,it really need better proof reading.
Saying that squid armour could be an interesting conversion project
Hentai Orks anyone?

>>52444444
the emperor has clearly blessed your list with his holy hexes

>>52444721
>>52444736
Yes. Remember this is Armageddon, which is a slight tweak of Necromunda/2nd. It isn't 8th.

>>52444860
also: is the cadian battle group literally the only detachment IG has?

>>52444910
It's the only special detachment, just run it in a CAD unless you really want to run the Cadian Battlegroup.

>>52444180
Why doesn't the frag missle have blast?

>>52444877
Rumours are that its going to be a test bed for changes that may be implemented in 8e as well.

Removing (or greatly reducing the prevalence of) instant death and adding more multi damage weapons would be a good move in 40k and simple enough to implement. There does seem a suggrstion that they want to make the game more granular and less all or nothing in its mechanics.

>>52444923
Thats only a sumary page so it may have just been left out as a typo, but is still in the full rules for it.

>>52444387
Thanks for the tip.

Also, do Custodes look good in a paint scheme that isn't gold?

>>52444910
>Detachments
You get CAD, Castellans and Cadian battle group as far as detachments go, although you do get a few interesting formations too. Emperors wrath seems to be the favourite of the day.

>Start collecting
Really depends what type of army you want, mob or mech or arty or a mix. Generally the start collecting box is good value or the armoured fist box if you're planning on going mech, Also keep an eye on the Cadian defense force deal reappearing, some re-sellers did it for £75 last time around which isn't bad at all

>>52444984
is sustained fire still on the 1-2-3-jam dice?

>>52445003
Probably. The game uses the artillery die again too.

>>52445014
huh cool, Deathwing it is then. I look forward to my assault cannon either raping everything or being jammed up for the entire game

>>52444839
If they dont stack what's the point of a power sword?

The maul gives a space marine -3 to your save on his strength of 6 while now doing D3 damage.
Sword gives -3 rend on a strength of 5, doing only 1 damage.

>>52445047
Marines aren't the only thing in the game anon.

>>52444990
'Wardens' have black armour with gold trim, some have the red scheme GW did, you could probably try silver or bronze as well.

>>52445042
>Deathwing it is then
I seriously doubt they'll do all-terminator gangs in this

>>52443392

I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but you fucked up and bought Gulliman.

>>52445061
Guardsmen need mauls to be able to wound reliably, or if he needs his -3 rend so badly why not the axe?

>>52445113
Yeah, I'm betting they'll be one of the 0-3 specialist choices.

What are Cawl and Gulliman planning to build on Mars?

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>>52443915
Worrying that my mechanicus force will be usless and also being pissed that I have learned rules that will be oudated before I finnish my Dunecrawler?

Also 3D printed sandbags.

>>52445149
Because the sword also gives parry.

>>52445003
Pretty sure it was changed to just D3 hits in the most recent necromunda version before it was dropped. It'll probably be that again.

>>52445156
Marines 2.0

>>52445169
They've said they don't want to invalidate all of the current books right off the bat so current rulebooks might still work with the new rules until they get a proper update.

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>>52445156
THE ULTIMATE ROBOT

>>52445199
Where did they say that, last thing i heard was we'll get AoS style barebones free rules pdfs with the core rulebooks release.

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>>52445156
Emperor-naught. Resurrected Ferrus Manus. Reorganizing the Adeptus Mechanicus. Rallying another of the core organizations of the Imperium. Getting Guilliman out of his life support suit. Fixing the Golden Throne. Fixing the webway gate (so as to give more justification for the Custodes/SoS returning to the wider world). Who knows?

My money is on the return of Manus.

>>52445212
Adepticon Q&A session
https://spikeybits.com/2017/03/end-of-codex-books-gws-private-adepticon-qa-reveals-more-on-8th.html

Q: Given the new modes of play announced for the new edition of 40k, will balance
between factions/races be a priority? Since Organized play is one of the 3 new ways to play?

A: Yes, rules balance will be a priority in the new edition, but keep in mind
that GW has limited play tester resources. Make sure to utilize the Warhammer Community
forums and email to address issues in the future.

Q: With AoS having a free online app/tool for list building, will we see the same thing for 40k in the future?

A: Yes, having a GW official tool for list/ army building is in the works.

Q: Will we see a reduction in the amount of codecies and physical books needed to play 40k? Or,
will wee see a similar format to AoS?

A: While we don’t want to invalidate all books immediately, we do recognize the effects on the game
by having so many books and supplements. In the new edition we will reduce the physical
books needed. Look forward to the future.

Q: Is expanding the hobby and GW properties, to including more female players a priority?

A: Yes, but we see that as more of an issue with the community, rather than our IP’s.
(then noted that there is a new female Sigmarite character in the Shadespire game)

>>52445224
That sounds more like they don't want to go to a full digital format more than anything.

>>52445173
What does parry do, assuming two handed on the axe i snot a good thing.

>>52445248
Makes your opponent reroll higher attack dice if it still works the same.

>>52445224
welcome 40k to Age of sigmar era.

>>52445238
Really? Sounds to me like they're scared of saying the thing that they'll have to say if they really are changing everything so drastically 'guess what faggots? your books won't work anymore'.

>>52444150
Implying the thin ass chaos SoB can fight in lesbian sex against the mighty Celestine thicc tights.

She has a one time pussy shot for fuck sake.

>>52445248
parry lets you force someone to re-roll one of their close combat dice
if you have two swords you can force them to re-roll two of their close combat dice

>assuming two handed on the axe is not a good thing
just means no bonus attack die from a pistol

so if you have an axe, take a combi-weapon
if you have a sword, take a pistol (usually a plasma pistol) or a second close combat weapon

>>52445282
So two attacks, strength 5, force the other guy to reroll his highest attack dice?
Sounds like the sword is much better than the maul then, seeing how you have to win the roll off just to do any damage at all.

You could see a standard captain parrying a terminators power fist constantly and then just failing to kill each other all game.

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Favorite Imperial Guard regiment?

>>52444247
Bulks was from 1997, last model was from 2004 the seraphim superior.

So you are technically correct.

>>52444201
Suprised she isn't making her own order of the Slaaneshi Rose. Taking girls from the eye of terror and training them to be Sisters of Battle.

>>52445294
Depends on how drastic the change really is. Otherwise you can just issue a online rules update for the book

>>52445318
Depends on how many attacks you're throwing out.

>>52445321
there are other IG regiments than Cadian??

>>52445334
Now that they're planets gone, we can fucking hope.

>>52445224
Fucking casual, the first 10 question should be about SoB. Then when they finally release them no one buys them, because all the SoB players die of old age.

Bad jokes aside, my theory is that GW thinks this internet and digital thing is a passing trend and some how they think AoS is the best system ever made.

>>52445224
>Yes, but we see that as more of an issue with the community
Thanks GW.
Maybe it's that a world of violent monster warring with each other is less appealing to the majority of women. Not all of them but certainly likely that the "average" woman is less likely to decide she wants to pick this up as a hobby.
We've done nothing to make them feel unwelcome. I don't blame a female if she doesn't want to associate herself with us dweebs.

My wife thinks aspects of the IP are cool, but I could never get her interested in it like I did when we both played MTG for a couple years.

>>52445333
Assuming veteran terminators still only have 2.

With attacks and weapon skill seeming to dominate this combat I could see marines struggling due to only having one attack and mediocre weapon skill so they will need a skill like parry to make up for their poor number of attacks.

Any 2E fags wanna chime in?

>>52445224
>The community

Blame the consumers for your failures, it is like WHF all over again.

>>52445359
>I could see marines struggling
Terminators are WS5, and throwing out as many attack dice as most dedicated combat units. Having more than 2 attacks is really only something that heroes have.

While they're technically outmatched by characters/assault troops with multiple close combat weapons on base stats, their equipment more than makes up for that.

Terminators with lightning claws and/or thunder hammers are probably the best close combat troops in the game. The ones without have sustained fire guns that they can rapid fire, as well as arguably the best infantry-mounted heavy weapons available to anyone. Only marines could rapid fire in 2e, remember. And terminators were effectively BS6 thanks to their targeters.

I mean, at 300 points for five they had to be at least that good.

>>52445392
This is genuinely the issue though.

The setting is just the setting and really is fine from a representation standpoint (mostly because specifics like gender issues don't have a setting wide state. )

Its how a lot of gamers react to girls, plus how srota society views gaming as a mans club.

This isn't GWs job to fix.

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>>52445321

Only the best.

>>52445392
>Q: nnnuhhh where are the girls?
>A: not our problem
it's deliberately worded to keep people off their backs

>>52445358
Well, a lot of us are not that female compatible for various reasons, be it character hygiene or apperance.

And being a nerd is a lot less appealing for the great mayority of girls than for boys.

>>52445392
Well you also don't see boys swarming beauty salons.

Some things are just less interesting to certain groups than others. GW can't force anybody to do something they have no interest in just to fill some quota.

>>52445453
I was talking about shit rules, no release for some armies and GW expected the consumer to keep buying their old and dated models for smaller boxes and higher priceses.

That is what killed fantasy after sixth edition.

Regarding genitals of the consumer why care? If they care about representation they would have done it years ago, decades ago.

They are blaming the consumer for their own lack of product variety.

"It's not our fault we haven't release something attractive to the female consumer! It's your fault! Yes you who buy our product!

>>52444288
Heard that meltas will be -5 to Armor save rolls, S 8, and +1 to S (irc) within 6 inches. 8th might overdue it with attack modifiers.

>>52445468
They shift the blame onto the players.

Beside nerds that bitch about girls are too much of bets cucks to actually talk to woman and push them away from the hobby.

Are secutarii peltasts good?

>>52445392
I'm curious how you see that particular issue as their fault? You could perhaps argue that there aren't enough female sculpts, and that their posterboys, the space marines, are exclusively male. But that's about it, and those aren't even good arguments.

>>52445224
>Q: Is expanding the hobby and GW properties, to including more female players a priority?

>A: Yes, but we see that as more of an issue with the community, rather than our IP’s.
(then noted that there is a new female Sigmarite character in the Shadespire game)

Having tranny looking models is the players fault? Geez GW could you be more deluded.

>>52445532
they arnt blaming the model on the players, they are saying that women inclusion is fuckall to do with them

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Does Stormcloud Attack go here? It's actually a really fun game but I never see ANYONE talk about it.

How the fuck are you actually supposed to win with the Stormtalon? The Heldrake's just at a shocking advantage.

>>52445532
>tranny looking models
Can they really be said to look like trannies when almost none of the human minis actually have human proportions?

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>>52445572
it does but I don't think anyone really plays it

I certainly haven't

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>>52445576
Well thats the point, dudes can look however they want with powerarmour implants and stuff, but everybody starts complaining as soon as a female model doesn't look 100% realistic and bangable.

>>52445512
insanely so

>There hasn't been a 40krpg thread in like four days.

>>52445617
Then make one

>>52445495

Are you implying girls are mostly interested in sororitas? I thought they are more attractive for neckbeards

>>52444866
No... Strength gives save mods in games based on the 2nd ed 40k rule set.

S4 -1
S5 -2
S6 -3

etc.

All the combat weapons with save mods printed probably have one different from what they'd get from the basic Str mod.

Quick question for all of you do your points have to add up to 500/1000 equal when you play a game or is there a wrap around number like you could be 15 over?

>>52445652
It's called a point limit for a reason, anon.

>>52445652
>point limit
>"can we go over it"

this is bait

>>52445668
I know how to trigger people anon I'm asking a real question as in do you need to hit the 1000 point limit or could you be under or over it to an extent

>>52445572
Stormcloud attack are probably the worst boxed game GW produced last year.

The model have some value but then it was flyer from 2 different faction so i doubt it was much value for any player, Flyer are not very popular in the first place.

Now if they made a box game with Gullian vs Magnus, that shit would sell like hot cake.

>>52445003
I've also heard that it'll be d3. Makes sense as you'll still be making ammo rolls for every '6' you roll to hit. The part I don't get is why you need an ammo roll on a '6' rather than a '1'?

>>52445652
Think of it like a speed limit.
You should aim for it.
You really shouldn't be going over it.
Some people might let you off if you are just slightly over.
Don't get upset if you get badly told off for being over at all.

15 points is a free power weapon and could cheat a big advantage over the opponent in a lot of situation.

>>52445679
you can be under it by as many points as you want, its not a quota

you cant go over it, otherwise there would be no fucking point in having the limit

>>52445691
Thanks it's always good to see people actually trying to answer something rather than screeching kys as loud as they can

Anyone still have that picture of the Greyfax model converted into a SoS?

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>>52445683
But anon, your complaints don't mention the game at all, just the models in the box.

You also fail to realize that LITERALLY EVERY BOXED GAME GW HAS EVER DONE (with the sole exceptions being Gorkamorka and Gangs of Gammoragh) contains models from at least 2 different factions.

And last but not least, flyers are rad as shit.

>>52444870
Holy cow I didn't notice that.

>>52444444 (You)
What do I win?

>>52444180
Ammo Roll????????????????????

>>52445717
>rather than screeching kys as loud as they can

because every time it comes up its generally someone who is just doing it to be lazy or to cheat and tries to justify it in any way they can

you only need to apply a tiny amount of logic to realise that going over at all can give you noticeable advantages, just take the word "limit" literally

>>52445757
necromunda

>>52443261
>Lorgar is going to create Chaos Sisters, Chaos Orks, Chaos Eldar
You have no idea how diamonds my dick would be if this became a thing

Not so much Chaos Orks, though

Seriously considering to pick up shadow war when it goes on pre-order. And even more terrain like the pipes and generator. That shit is gun get pricy.

Already got enough boxes to build+paint squads. Should be cool to start playing with some friends.

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>>52445824
>friends

>>52445824
>having friends

>>52443671
Reclaimers are a canon chapter

>>52445851
>>52445863
lel seriously, tyrannid swarm singleplayer survival when?

>>52445851
>>52445863
I've recruited 'bout 4 people for MTG already in the past year. If you just focus on the fun parts instead of screeching about the minutiae people with similar tastes are often easy to get hooked.

>>52445887
>You are HRAARHAKAKARAAA, a lone Hormagaunt who was separated from the hive mind
>Are you a bad enough bug to survive your Instinctive Behaviour roll?

>>52445887
>>52445895
stop fucking lying

I know I am that guy who no one likes, because he is autistic

let me be alone and miserable and finally find the courage to kill myself which will be never

>>52444150
IIRC Miriael is the only Sister to *willingly* fall to chaos, she corrupted the group that was sent to kill her, so they were made to fall, rather than falling by choice.

>>52445914
>autism

Nigga, I ain't lying, you're autistic. You don't have, will make, or get friends. ever.

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never enough Aeldari in these threads

>>52445169
Gotta admit, their AdMech minis are some of the best looking stuff they've made in years.

>>52445933
You don't know, he might be able to Frankenstien up some friends.

>>52445942
Because they finally went beyond GLUE THESE TWO HALVES TOGETHER THERE YOUR MINI IS DONE for everything

The Hellbrute was a fucking PITA to glue together but it's a gorgeous model.

>>52445957
Or make some outta wires and metal.

>>52445971
Nid player having flashbacks to his old Gant models?

>>52445971
>The Hellbrute was a fucking PITA to glue together but it's a gorgeous model.
Yeah it fucking is. I'm still waiting on some magnets to come in before I finish mine. I just can't decide on a weapon loadout so I'll just magnetize every single one.

>>52445169
>finnish dunecrawler
I can attest to blue/white to be a good color for AdMech.

With the upcoming Shadow War release, how easy is it to magnetize basic infantry squads?

>>52446028
Not that Anon, but I'm still picking a scheme for my Skitarii and I normally don't like doing 'the studio scheme' but I really fcking love Mars as a location. What do anons?

>>52446030
More easy than trying to magnetice metal miniatures.

>>52445624

Okay.

>>52445974
>>52445974
>>52445974

>>52446050
Okay but let's say I want to magnetise a squad of Skitarii or Guardsmen, is that something that's easily doable?

>>52446043
Either just don't make a thing out of being a hipster and using your own theme and stick to Marsian red (it is a really damn good color combination) or think of your favourite color and build around that. White as a primary color works great for them (see: the Metalica Forge World paintjob or that Arctic Skitarii anon that posts here every now and then), but black or anything not too radiant is also good.

>>52444580
It's -1 for each unit of strenght above 3, so lascannon is -6 while powersword is s5 so -2.

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>>52446043
I saw this getting thrown around a lot a few months ago, might give you some ideas. Some of the schemes do look bad though.

>>52446074
The dependance on S is only in cc it seems.

>>52446067
Yes.

You can drill holes at the tip of guns? Then you can do it.

>>52446067
Skitarii can be a bit fiddly because their torso is neither fully hollow nor solid. How much magnetization did you want to do? If you just want to swap between Rangers or Vanguard carrying a Special Weapon, just magnetize the head. Thats easy to do.

>>52445595
>everybody starts complaining
By "everybody starts complaining", I assume you mean "that one guy that's always complaining". But yeah, the point stands. Most of the manufacturers AND most of the customers are dudes - most things end up coming from a dude-point-of-view even when (maybe especially when) they're deliberately trying not to.

>>52445642
Actually, I think the only person I ever knew who painted up a full sisters army was a chick. Not exactly a significant sample size, but there you go.

>>52446056
Damn it man I thought that was the new general. I don't have time to check pervious posts if it looks like a general if I want to get in on the rapid response game.

>>52446078
2, 3 and 5 are the only ones I'm not fond of on there.
Always loved the rest, especially 7 and 4.

>>52445603
Are they intended to be taken as two blobs of 20?

>>52446095
Well with Shadow War coming out I want to able to swap out equipment in a dynamic way, to go full WYSIWYG. So I guess mostly the leader plus some heavy/special weapon guys.

>>52446074
so ap is completely gone? having ap2 does nothing?

>>52446111
Keep them at 10 and stick Cawl onto their front. Will be the tankiest thing to ever field as AdMech that's not a Cohort Cybernetica with IWND.

Also, super fucking deadly for everything.

>>52445318
Pretty sure you can't parry attacks od certain strength, or was that just in Mordheim?

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>>52446103
>>52445642
id do anything for plastic sisters! Ive got my eldar banshees my dark eldar wyches and my slaanesh daemonettes I need more warrior women!

>>52446128
wow she is super kawaii desu ne

>>52445642
Anon, you have no idea how cool SoB look for girls

>>52446116
Special weapons could be annoying, since you'd also have to swap backpacks. I suppose swapping the leader's gear should be possible with magnets, just be wary of how tiny their arms are.

>>52443671

>The Reclaimers

"AAAAnd I would kill 500 marines!
AAAnd I would kill 500 more!
Just to be the man who took the whole crusade on to see terra fall!

>>52445642
I am very new, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I suppose as another sample point I am grill and like imperial fists.

>>52446103
Yeah thats what I meant, its a very vocal minority.

It would always seem forced to make it appeal to females.

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>>52446134
yee eldar grills are best grills funny how all my armies are somehow based on my fetishes

>>52443491
Lords are good.
>bikes and raptors
That's not how the Death Guard works.

So a friend of mine is 100% convinced that the Reapers from Mass Effect could take any race in the 40k-verse without much trouble.

How correct is he in that assumption? Because it sure sounds like bullocks from what I know about them.

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>>52446144
I love you will you date me?

>>52446124
Why not 20? Wouldn't 10 die to light template fire?

>>52446122
No ap values, no.

>>52445933
Rude.

>>52446144
Hoe did the rest of your first squad of Tacticals turn out since you last posted them in /wip/?

>>52446149
The setting is cool, and the gameplay is fun. It already appeals.

>>52446166
Only if you play 40k with me

>>52446153
Enough of this meme Nurgle wouldnt pass up on corrupting bikes just because they're fast this is 40k DG not 30k DG

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>>52444180
>>52444636
ancient wargamer here.

guys......these are the 40K 2nd edition rules.

>>52446170
If you can put something with a 2+ save in front then they'll be able to take a beating. 2+ re-rolling and Invuln and FNP is annoying to get through. I'd mostly take 2 10-man squads over one 20 blob to have flexibility.

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>>52446175
y-yes of course ive never played against space marines

>>52446153
But that's how they work.

>>52446197
Yes I know. I'd have to look my old books, but this almost look copy pasted.

Like almost every recent shit GW has put out.

>>52446197
Been thinking the same thing.
At best, they'll use them to get a glimpse of what people think of the old rules and how much they might implement.

>>52446197
Everyone knew that already.

>>52446149
>Yeah thats what I meant, its a very vocal minority.
Like most vocal minorities (esp those whose "battle" is focused on something that doesn't actually matter, like figures for a game) I assume they're just a bunch of attention-seeking jackasses.

>It would always seem forced to make it appeal to females.
Interesting thing is that most of the lady gamers I meet don't actually care that there's all the cheesecake and male-centric stuff aimed at their husbands/boyfriends, they just wish there was ALSO a bigger selection of stuff that appealed to them.

The argument is that when a company makes something like sisters, which is kinda "here's your designated Lady Army, LADIES", it's a bit of a turnoff. I sorta get that.

>>52446202
I find that hard to believe, even my dead grandmother had marines

>>52446202
I'm not sure if that's a man in Banshee gear, a tranny or a very ugly woman.

>>52446199
Why not 2 20 man squads? Would you have vanguard in front of the peltasts as well? I've never seen Cawl played, what's the draw?

>>52444597
It's based on Strength.

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>>52446225
but im a guy and I like female warriors? id buy sisters in seconds.

>>52446221
>>52446214
>>52446211
my bad, it's news to me.

I'm unpleasantly surprised they would actually do this. 2nd ed 40K played much slower than 3rd, and characters were ludicrously powerful in close combat. The "everything has a modifier" mechanic was obnoxious. I remember in my old group, we just ignored the range to-hit modifiers, because we couldn't remember them all and didn't care enough to look them up.

>>52446175
I'm glad to hear that, my ex-gf used to hate it with a passion.

But specifically trying to hard to make it appeal could have this effect.

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>>52446230
ive never been to a gw for a game I only play against my friend we both are against buying marines...im to afraid to go to a gw because id be awkward.

>>52446234
little bit of everything

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>>52446258
ive never had a gf....

>>52446235
Well, the more the merrier. If you can fit 2 20-squads then go for it. You should always bring some amount of Vanguard, they're the bread and butter and should be all over the field if you don't focus on the heavy infantry of the Cult or on their walkers.

Cawl's draw is being almost unkillable.
He has T6 with 5 wounds, a 2+/5+/FNP(Rerolling) and regens D3 wounds at the start of each of your turns. Also brings a bunch of new Canticles like giving an Invuln save, buffing BS and giving vehicles IWND.
Stick him in a 10+ unit of Peltasts and he has a 2+(Rerolling 1s)/5+/FNP(Rerolling) save and any shots directed at his T6 drop their dtrength by 1, meaning he'll be immune to any Lasgun fire.

>>52446225
But anon women love SoB aesthetic, the power amour corset thingy is a big plus.

Like when describing clases to my group and someone notice the Sisters of Battle and the Assassin

"Holy shit I can kill people while wearing latex! I want to be that!

People enjoy it. The loud monitory are the ones bitching and moaning about sexualisation and other stupid crap in games and such

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>>52446174
I think they look pretty good, I also tried my hand at a smurf.

>>52446202
A-anon... I...

>>52446258
Why on earth would you want to ty to make your product appeal to people who are never going to like what it is at its core?

>>52446256
They did it like that because it's a reboot of Necromunda, which followed 2ed rules, and the current ruleset wouldn't translate too well into it, having often no armor saves at all.

>>52446261
I bet you that most people there will be awkward.

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>>52446285
you thinking im joking around hehe but im honestly pretty desperate.....and autistic
>nice fists btw

>>52446261
Third world country here. Marines are so common that I've found them in flee markets thingies here.

Who is strongest character in melee in both 40k and 30k? Guilliman?

>>52446305
They obviously arent perfect, but eh... <insert tabletop quality meme>

So i heard Magnus has been lowkey helping Imperium by doing stuff like reviving Vulkan and rescuing lost ships in the warp, can anyone tell me more about this?

>>52446202
That banshee should be as tall as the BT.

>>52446143
DAKKA DAKKA

DAKKA DAKKA

>>52446337
People like to thing eldar are same height as normal humans for some reason.

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>>52446304
yeah most likely but I need to learn the rules better as im more into lore and painting so my friend kinda spoon feed me the rules.

>>52446315
yeah I know I just dont like marines myself I find them bland and prefer space elves and demons

>>52446317
its good that you critique it though when it comes to painting im almost obsessive as my eldar themselves I look at every detail and honestly have never been happy with a model. it shows that you will improve as a painter

>>52446337
hmm correct anon time to delete that unlorefriendly pic

>>52446271
Its all about time. If you spend a lot of time in some group/sports team/social anything with a big enough percentage of women and dont avoid socialising, 2-3 might get interested. Took me 2 years of standard/latin dance courses, but it worked.

>>52446337
>BT

>>52446275
2+ 5++ T6 doesn't sound all that survivable.. Does he give knights IWND? Sounds like he needs a distraction carnifex

>>52446337
That's a Space Wolf, retard.

>>52446363
>>52446380
You're right, that's an Imperial Fist.

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>>52446348
im not a social man and ive got some personality disorders so it can be tough for me to socialize but I may try going to a gw. also my choice of women makes things double hard since my lifestyle is role reversal.(kinda why I choose the armies with strong warrior women).

>always go to this general "geek store" with 40k, MTG, comics, YGO and all that stuff for my 40k needs whenever I visit my brother
>huge 3-story store
>find out there's an actual GW in his city
>lives in a much larger one than me, only have small FLGS at my place
>GW store is even smaller than my own store and in a shady as fuck neighborhood

Is it like this in many German cities or are the GW stores normally a proper size?

>>52446285
You could be bullied into it by a vocal minority that insists on having a player base that perfectly represents all demographics. Or a decrease in popularity amongst their traditional fanbase.

40k was nearly dead in my home town 9 month ago.

doesnt have eternal warrior either, dreadknights make very quick work of him

either needs 54 psilencer shots on average, or 13.5 with misfortune, or 2-3 attacks in close combat

>>52446377
2+/5++ AND FNP that he gets to re-roll AND regenerating 1-3 wounds every turn is almost impossible to kill short of a Force weapon. Give him the extra armor re-roll and pseudo-T7 and nothing short of the D or other ID weaponry will ever manage to kill him.

And his IWND works on every vehicle with Canticles of the Omnissiah, since it is an extra canticle. It's 1 IWND at minimum size, 2 IWND rolls at 4+ units and 3 IWND rolls per vehicle at 8+ units.

>>52446437
meant to reply to

>>52446275
>>52446377

>>52446407
You can't force those things to happen; people who look for love tend to be alone.

Just live your life and if love happens it happens.

>>52446412
One man stores is a retarded idea from GW.

They decided multiple small one man store are better than big "Battle bunker" things where people can actually play and use their products.

>>52446446
darkstrider also fucks him up thanks to -1T, so he can instagib cawl with a gunrig

>>52446452
>can't force love to happen
You can if you want to have it happen hard enough.

Just don't get caught.

>>52446460
I've not been to that store in person but it literally has 1 window and looks smaller than even my 1-man FLGS. It's ridiculous, considering the size of the city and it being the only GW store in almost 100km around it.

>>52446452
Not that Annon but I call bullshit on that. Don't take down the radar but for the love of hell don't be >>52446463 .

Speaking of >>52446463
Dude...seriously? there are some jokes you shouldn't touch. That's one of them. Makes you look like you got no class.

>>52446275
In a squad of Peltasts his effective toughness drops to 3 because of majority toughness dummy, putting Cawl in blobs is a trap unless you jam him at the back, it's better to put him with some Kataphrons or for maximum bullshit, in the Cybernetica Cohort.

>>52446476
>Dude...seriously? there are some jokes you shouldn't touch.

you're on fucking 4chan, grow a pair

I WANT DUNCAN TO MIX HIS LAHMIAN MEDIUM INTO MY BOIPUSSY

>>52446463
kek

>>52446476
What I'm saying is you shouldn't dedicate too much time on the subject; you'll just feel lonely.
>Unless you're 10/10

>>52446476
>getting triggered over stupid rape jokes on one of the least sociable boards of a trans-antarctic hieroglyphics board

Calm your mamaries.

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>>52446452
heh well I won't bother to much with this stuff since we are in 40k general not feels but im a little obsessive with girls always have been very yandere weebish but best way to describe it

>>52446463
kek well I would prefer love to sex and also rape=jail and no girls thier

>>52446500
life is about finding love anon

>eldar anon is sad

>>52446476
Anon, censorship is wrong. All jokes are permitted even the creepy and disgusting ones.
Jokes helps couping with horrible things. It is a known fact.

In other words stop being a colosal faggot.