/btg/ Battletech General!

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Hmm

haha brenda bakke

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Last thread's discussion on the Draconis Combine was good. Felt a like a breath of fresh air.

Would anyone like to continue it?

What are your favorite Drac mechs, tanks, battle armor or aerospace fighters?

Do you have guys have a favorite DCMS regiment?

Rule change:

Instead of rolling piloting checks, we roll privilege checks.

>>52359027
Haha, I believe in Devlin Stone

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>>52359149

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>>52359422
Or is it...?

>>52359498
Hooray for breast implants!

>>52359520
Those are the newest graduating class of Charger pilots, circa 3015. They um, don't fit their cooling vests very well. Usually the size is extra small for obvious Drac reasons.

>>52359160
You are the guy who was fired for being racist, aren't you?

>>52359520
Those are actually naturals. Believe it or not.

>>52359149
I've always been a fan of the classic Dragon (because I like challenges) and Hatamoto-chi.

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>>52359934
I require proof for input into a Star League data cache.

>>52359954
I like the Dragon that got the upgrade so it runs 6/9. Damn that thing can be a troll against lights and mediums like Commandos that try to retreat from it.

>>52359149
For BA it's definitely the Kage. It has a nice role to it, and it's one of the few BA that has a dedicated space operations setup.

>>52359149

The friggin' Kishi- despite the DCMS focusing on light suits which have few advantages over mediums for basic roles- is fantastic and somehow manages to be interesting despite some quirky choices. 6 points of reflective armor means even a PPC can't stop one, it's ground speed is fantastic with the mechanical booster, and while the HMG is not a very good weapon they put it in the best location possible.
The only way it could be better is if the DCMS used some clan tactics with 5-man units, but that 5th member replaced the HMG for some kind of ECM or similar "tactical" tool like a grenade launcher to shield the rest of his point from other infantry.

>>52359982
Jap girls are cute but that outfit isn't. Anything better?

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>>52362029

>>52359149
I'm not a big fan of the Combine particularly, but am I crazy for liking MRMs? Sure, +1 to hit, but the idea of lighting off a swarm of 40 missiles close in... are they really that suboptimal?

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>>52363212

For mechs its either the Panther(my first favorite mech) or the Komodo.

BA has to be the Kanazuchi.

Tanks...um...I honestly don't know.

>>52363470
The Sabaku Kaze is a pretty sweet hover tank.

>>52363212
>am I crazy for liking MRMs

Yes. Every last one of them should be scrapped, return deadfire missiles to legal, and then just have rocket launchers as their only legacy. Then all those garbage Drac MRM boats could be refitted to normal missile boats and just loaded with dumb rounds for the same effect, but with the flexibility of loading the bins with something else when needed or even in a spare bin on the same mission.

Can someone explain MRMs to me?

I've only ever played introtech.

>>52363212
Accuracy reduction immediately makes any weapon dumpster-tier, since it's so easy to push your to-hit numbers to 11 or more.

>>52363601

My players learned to HATE dead-fire missiles after running into a mech gang on Galatea during the Civil War. They totally underestimated how nasty they could be when I told them I had to roll three dice and take the lowest two.

They may be out of production in Drac space but I've ruled that smaller arms companies still produce them, especially out in periphery-land. That combined with Drac stores of them make it so that if you really want em you can probably find em.

>>52363747
Implying rocket launchers are less than good.

>>52363825
Rocket launchers are the exception, yes. They cost basically no tonnage, and as long as one ignores the existence of 15s and 20s with their retarded range reduction, RL10s are pretty fucking hilarious.

>>52363745
they are medium range missiles with dumb heads. you have more missiles but they are harder to hit the target

better question: why haven't you played Total Warfare yet?

>>52363745
Take LRMs. Now remove their guidance package to make the missiles lighter and smaller with the same warhead. Then cram a shitload of them together. Now you've got MRMs.

MRMs have a weird 3/8/15 range, and a flat +1 to hit penalty. They do one damage per missile, and fire 10/20/30/40 missiles at once. On a weight basis, the MRM 10 is the same weight as an SRM 6, and the MRM 20/30 weigh the same as the LRM 15/20, though they generate more heat than the LRMs. The damage potential is great, and they get really good ammo per ton, but their shit range brackets and the static +1 to hit mean it's nearly impossible to LAND those high-damage volleys, and if you start boating them to take advantage of the lightweight ammo you run out of sinks quickly. Oh, and no alternate ammo of any sort, which never helps.

>>52363917
I live in the midwest and have difficulty finding people to play with. If you know of any groups in southern Michigan I'd be interested.

Silly question but did the Dracs make Inner Sphere Standard?
And how did their battle armor built up to the 3060s rate? Only one I'm really familiar with is the Kage because the DEST units used them in their raid on Huntress.

>>52363936
Does Apollo make MRMs less shit?

>>52364302
Yes. IS standard is called that because every state made it. The Dracs made all the original state specialist suits, Kages, Zuchis, Raidens what have you since they were the earliest Field Manual. That's also why they kinda suck and later ones are better.

>>52364389
Yeah, but from extra shit to kinda shit is still shit ya know?

>>52364389
If you're running a 30 or 40, yeah it helps a lot. They're not great, but if you're already spending all that tonnage for some reason, another ton isn't too much hardship for a significant benefit.

Useless with 10s and 20s though.

The sheer determination and autism demonstrated in the last thread with the missing DCMS regiments has me wanting to ask if anyone here could do something similar with the Combine's military production for 3025 and/or 3050.

Because from what I can gather they built basically everything on Luthien, had a Panther factory in or around Alshain, might have built something on New Samarkand and Al Na'ir, and captured Davion factories on Quentin.

So, for those interested, I'll be getting the weekly-ish /btg/ MM game going in an hour or two. Details will be given out on IRC. Probably gonna start with a Solaris-style brawl to get everyone familiar with each other.

>>52362135
Out of all the pictures you could post, you chose this?

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>>52365261

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>>52364771
Yori 'Mech Works, Al Nair:
Atlas, Catapult*

Alshain Weapons, Alshain:
Dragon (only mentioned in the original House Kurita book, may be a destroyed production line?), Panther

LexaTech Industries, Hun Ho:
Archer**

LexaTech Industries, Irece:
Stinger LAM

Alshain Weapons/GKT, Jarrett:
Panther, Phoenix Hawk (added 3050)

Nimakachi Fusion Products, Lapida II:
Spider, Venom (added 3050)

Luthien Armor Works, Luthien:
Charger, Dragon, Grand Dragon (3024, replaces all Dragon production ~3040), Hatamoto-Chi† (3039, replaces most or all Charger production), Jenner (3046), Lancelot*, Quickdraw

Norse Battlemech Works/Victory Industries, Marduk:
(world recaptured from FS ~4SW)
Griffin (3050), Wolverine

GKT, New Oslo:
Phoenix Hawk**

LAW, New Samarkand:
Daboku (3038, discontinued shortly after), Mauler‡ (3048)

Independence Weaponry, Quentin:
(world recaptured from FS during War of '39)
Atlas, Jagermech, Marauder, Victor

Amalgamated Sword and Steel, unknown world:
Warhammer**, Wolverine**

* part of the infamous TRO3039 retcons, ignore if that bothers you

** only listed in early Succession War sources, like 1SW and FR2765:DCMS; these factories are probably destroyed early in the Succession Wars, explaining why they are never mentioned elsewhere

† early IRL sources put Hatamoto manufacture with Maltex Corporation on Errai, a FS world at the time; later (and therefore canonically superior) sources give it to LAW on Luthien

‡ early IRL sources put Mauler manufacture on Luthien, later (and therefore canonically superior) sources put it on New Samarkand

>>52365315
I have mixed feelings about those tatas. But the hat needs to be shooped to have the Kurita dragon on it.

>>52365368
why do you have mixed feelings? You want 'em smaller, pedoman?

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>>52365368
That's why I chose it.

>>52364771
Ironically, Luthien never made Panthers. Panther factories were Alshain, New Oslo, and Jarret. back in the 3020's. Which makes it double stupid they would give them up with the Rasalhague District, especially when New Oslo was the biggest of the three.


>>52365323
The New Oslo Phawk Factory is mentioned in TRO 3039. Probably better to place that under TRO 3039 retcon.

Lapida II isn't brought online until the 3050's IIRC either.

>>52365185

I'm interested, only ever done ATB stuff and a skirmish like 4 years ago. How do I get in on this?

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>>52365644
Join the irc channel.
#battletech on irc.rizon.net
And anon will provide further details when it is time to start.

>>52365644
>>52365686

What anon said - join the IRC, as I'm not terribly keen on posting the server's static IP on a Swiss chicken-yodeling message board. New players are welcome, I've no problem teaching.

>>52365512
From what I can gather the New Oslo plant continued to produce them for the Combine anyway because the same company owned all the plants.

>>52365686
>>52365759

In. Apparantly the topic of the hour is mixtech bullshit.

And I've done decade long campaigns in ATB, so I can at least trash Princess. Like that means anything.

>>52365323
>>52365512
Thanks for the info. I look forward to cross checking it all for my group's campaign. Raids across the Combine.

>>52365428
Hnnnghh, would massacre Kentares for.

>>52365805

That's just that anon. He's an odd fellow, and possibly the angriest man in Canada.

>>52365686
WoB related pics really feel like the most iconic of BattleTech. Something about a technoreligous cult in robots.

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>>52365849
I think it's their mechs. The style of the SL era kit just looks weird. So seeing thugs, black knights, crabs or whatever makes them standout. That and the white paintjob.

>>52365849

as someone late to the faction-picking show, I think I would love the WoB. I'm perfectly fine being the bad guy, and I like a lot of their aesthetics.

That, or I just like the Gurka too much.

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>>52365921
The gurkha is tasty. Have you tried pairing one with a lightray? They were practically born to skirmish together.

>>52365973
what makes that particular combo good?

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What if the Black Dragon attempt on Teddy C3's life in the Caballero novels had been the group's last action and the ISF and O5P successfully purged the BDS?
No Hassid Ricol betraying the Combine, no Alshain Avenger suicide attack on the Ghost Bears, etc, etc.

What might the effects in the 3060s and beyond have been?
How different might the Sandoval invasion of the Combine during the FCCW have looked?

>>52365921
>>52365916

Fun fact, the bulk of WoB mechs were classic 3025'ers and 3050 upgrades mixed with Project Phoenix and 2750 stash machines. A Toyama, Legacy, Grand Crusader sort of thing was only about 10% of their forces.

>>52366044
And nine out of ten chicks aren't hot, but guess which one we notice?

>>52365973
>>52366028

hot damn a 7/11 55-ton mech. good armor, low weapon tonnage, but a tarcomp helps fix that. god help your wallet, though.

>>52366044
And your citation?

>>52366044
The TROs suggest otherwise. The 2750 stashes were tapped out after Tukayyid, and Terra's factories set to building the new divisions.

>>52366099
The novels where it's specifically mentioned like Double Blind, the short stories where it's specifically mentioned like almost all the ones in Fire For Effect, as well as the description of the WoBM forces.

You don't build as many regiments as they did by being picky. The 3025'ers were as common in their stashes as 2750 since a lot of them were Star League machines. They stole 2/3 the Project Phoenix production in the inner sphere and were even the brains behind the project in the first place. They also restored a number of destroyed core world factories to cranking out TRO:3025 and 2750 things like Crabs and Grasshoppers. Not to mention every FWL mech chassis they could buy, borrow or steal. Orions, Hunchbacks, Trebs, Stalkers and all the rest alongside Grand Titans, Hammers, Albatrosses and so forth.

>>52366159
Terra wasn't coming online full swing until after 3058. They made a lot of stuff, but even things like Wolf and Blake mentions that even the Shadows full of the nicest gear aren't all new production and the Protectorate militias don't have hardly any new gear at all.

>>52366259
I read Double Blind and a good many of those stories and that doesn't ring a bell. Can you copy-paste a blurb from one?

>>52366259
I'll have to review their RATs again.

Honestly their Star League and classic gear is cooler than the "OC-Do Not Steal" designs so I don't have a problem with it.

>>52366329
The one that really hammers it home off the top of my head is the one with the remnants of the 9th? Comstar Army in Case White fighting their way through the cities on Earth. Plus I think also the Mars battle and one of the Harlech ones.

Double Blind didn't have much other than talking about the stashes planted for the pirates and St Jamais muttering to himself about his glorious shiny new rare Grand Crusader he had to leave at home while he was driving a regular Awesome 8Q from their normal army units for deniability.

>>52365781

20 YU and so on indicate the New Oslo plant was going mostly if not entirely to the FRR before being seized by the Clans.

>>52366039

>What if...

Then the Dracs might have had a pre-3145 storyline in which they weren't a bunch of gibbering, infighting retards. Which is completely impossible under FASA and only seems possible under CGL because they've refused to advance the timeline for so long.

>>52366159

I think he means that the initial defectors were rolling in SLDF-era machines or 3025 basic models and those made up a fair portion of the known WoB, which means the hidden in plain sight Divisions had to be the same. But newer production would be the norm for Divisions revealed later in the Jihad, especially the MD.

>>52366413
Gotcha.

I always knew something was wrong with that guy. I'd take the Awesome over the Grand Crusader any day of the week.

>tfw no Jihad led by Trent Arian and the True Believers

>>52366044
>>52366159
>>52366259
>>52366364
>>52366413
>>52366573
So if you guys were generating all mech Level IIs for WoB, what might you give them for A and B Militia, MD, and Protectorate Militia?
Like example Level IIs.
I'm guessing the MD wouldn't be all Celestials, for example.

>>52366701

MD wouldn't be all Celestials, but aside from the last-ditch defence of Terra or very isolated occasions you won't see them anywhere else.

A Militia is mostly new production. B Militia is a mix of old and new. PM gets the oldest stuff and rarely have some new gear like the Titan II.

>>52366701
I'm gonna ignore the 'all mech' part of that question and give you this.

>4x HPPC Burkes
>1x NXS1-A Nexus
>1x GUR-4G Gurkha

8 HPPC's (albeit slow moving ones) linked to two highly mobile C3i spotters, all for less than 5000 BV with the right pilots.

>>52367109
Ok, I can see that. Is Protectorate Militia stuff super old or just relative to WoBM/MD?

Like would introductory box set mechs fit for a PM force?

>>52367228
That actually looks awesome. What type of force is it most fitted to? WoBM "A" class divisions?

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If I could figure out how to post a reasonably direct link, I would, but the /btg/ game is being streamed on Twitch at the moment, channel is gherritwhite. Got 8 nerds smashing their faces against each other, it's a good time so far.

>>52368146
Pastebin is the best alternative

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What factions are best for making female cyborg assassins? I'm guessing androids are beyond BT tech.

>>52368834
>FEMALE cyborg assassins
Magistracy of Canopus

>female CYBORG assassins
The Word of Blake

>female cyborg ASSASSINS
The Capellan Confederation

All three have cyborg murder-operatives who may or may not be female, but each has a bit of that trio of words that they focus on.

>>52368834
Please rid /btg/ (and the world) of your faggotry. Permanently.

>>52368910
What about a Canopian-born agent who undergoes augmentation by the Confederation and defects to Word of Blake?

>>52368937
(You)

Anyone have a pretty recent map of the Inner Sphere? The ones on Sarna stop at like 3067, so they aren't very useful. I want to start messing around with a concept faction for stupid AU shit and I want to know the state of the Sphere around the start of the Dark Ages.

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>>52369134

>>52367787

PM gets the worst of what's available because the WoB needed the best for their line troops. There would be newer tech scattered in but it would primarily be a dumping ground for their older gear.

>>52368834

Magistracy of Canopus. Their Ebon Magistrate commandos are better than anyone else's special operations groups because Kit.

>>52369134

There's one in FM: 3145.

>>52369171
>the lyran state getting double-penetrated by clanners
Sad but they deserve it. Just hope the clanners take responsibility.

>>52369184
They have a good kit?

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>>52369134
What year? They've released several maps.

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>>52369208
It was a mistake of own making

>>52369171
Several years too late but damn the people who made the clicky game fucked the battletech map up something fierce.

>>52369221

No, they have a patron author. Kit de Summersville is his forum name. Under him the Ebon Magistrate magically becomes better-equipped and more capable than MD Light of Mankind, Rabid Fox, Loki, or DEST.

>>52369184
>6th grade educations, rampant sexism and corruption
>we wuz cyborgz n sheeiitt

I still don't get how they turned one of the most interesting factions into a piece of shit sueland.

>>52369268
Map changes are fine and to be expected.

>>52369262
>>52369208
>>52369171
>implying there's anything sad about Elsies murdering and getting murdered by Clanners they bribed and then betrayed.

The Marik-Stewart Commonwealth dragged them to hell before they went down.

>>52369311
Because their medron pryde equivalent became the primary writer for them

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>>52369171
>>52369184
>>52369246
Thanks, these are really helpful. As far as year is concerned, I was looking at around the Dark Ages, but I haven't settled on the exact year because I have to do some timeline research to see when said faction could exist or when it'd make the most sense, if ever. Also, where, hence the need for maps.

>>52369286
I love the explanation for it:
>See, they have less manpower so they have to make it count for more! :DDDD
Yeah fuck technology, education, established fluff, or the myriad facts about the Canopian military-industrial complex being on the verge of collapse. A little help from a basket case nation that's the technological stepchild of the Inner Sphere and BAM! Elite cyborg commandos to fight pirates with.

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>>52369171
What is this, a map for ants?

>>52369134
Here you go.

>>52369286
To be fair the Ebon Magistrate is only described as the best with the Manei Domini and ROM's Light of Mankind gone.

Making them only better than DEST, Loki and the Rabid Foxes, among others.

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Here's what the north part of the battlefield looks like, ish

>>52369440
MUH CAMO IS GONE.

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>>52369440
and here's the south

>>52369440
Glad you're all having fun. Hope this takes off and more of you all can get some games in.

>>52369404

Although they only got statted in TR 3085 the fluff (and Kit's raging boner for the MoC) indicate it had been that way for a while.

>>52369363

Well, the Death Commandos were TEH BESTEST EVAR and had a lot of cyber gear, then the Manei Domini stole that gimmick, so to keep being betterer than the best the Ebon Magistrate had to be even more hard-core and even more aug'ed out than the Manei Domini.

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>>52369522

>more aug'd out than MD

How much more augmented can you make a person without going full robit?

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OK, for all the people that thought the TRO layout looked too plain - how's this?

Also, thoughts on the light texturing of the text section?

>>52369522
You're probably right but I just read it recently and I was pretty sure it explicitly says the EM is best with MD and LoM gone.

>>52369473
Yeah, that's what happens when nobody but you has the camo pack installed. PS: stop using rare camos and use normie camos like the rest of us

>>52369704
Have you done any WoB stuff in the TRO? If so have you posted any hints or pages about it?

>>52369704
The sidebar and top look nice, the texturing under the text looks like crap and reduces legibility. Go with either white or light grey for text backgrounds, anything else is bad mojo.

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>>52369707
There you go, you need some taste.

>>52369720
Maybe

>>52369733
Just trying out the texturing because it's a common element in CGL books. See also - Combat Manuals, Battlemech manual, etc.

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Here's CA's hopper at end of round 10. It's having an okay day, and the pilot has cracked open the 12-pack under the seat

>>52369738

Where do I put that in file structure, and do I need to edit a file to make it show up?

>>52369522
When did the Death Commandos start with being cyborgs? I recall TSM implants first, but as far as cyborgs go I thought they started around the same time WoB showed up and was being fluffed as having cybernetics too.

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>>52369789
That looks fully functional to me. Or is it prone?

>>52369789
Data Nully has no fear.

>>52369802
Drop it in data\images\camo and you'll be fine. However you'd have to restart the client to load.

>>52369814
Oh it's prone.

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>>52369814

You can't fully enjoy a beer standing at attention, can you?


In other news, north end of field is getting chewed up, after someone lit half the groves on fire...

>>52369828
Well I'm sure they will have a cold one ready for him in Valhalla.

>>52369704
I actually like the texturing behind the text; I was going to suggest it but I wasn't sure if you were designing it for print or not. If you were, it'd be too much trouble to get watermarked paper to print it on. But stark white is too hard on the eyes, so this is nice. Grey/offwhite/something would also be okay if the texture proves unpopular. I'd also accept coffee mug rings.

I don't like the busy sidebar and top, but others do, so I'm in the minority. Of the busy ones you've done, this one looks the best. It's simplistic and conveys the "tech" feeling without too many bobs or widgets.

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>>52369838
the south is getting a bit up close and personal in our game

>>52369268
Don't you mean they fixed? The original map was boring ad fuck, with everyone having only two neighbors. Thank God we can have different things now

>>52369772
Post WoB stuff pls

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Meanwhile, in the south, every ASF player's wet dream: two enemy forces fighting each other and forming into a nice line for strafing.

>>52369903

Cha-Cha-Cha!

The Burrock would be so happy if it wasn't dead.

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Speaking of Megamek, is there any way to turn off the "lighting" in the options menu?

There have been a few times where ATB put me on Elevation 11 terrain and during Pitch Black settings. Combine that with the ECM bubbles and I couldn't see shit, especially since the hexes don't have "Smart" outlines or text that change color when the hexes are too dark.

Alternatively, any new RATs that are from further ahead in the lore than FM: 3145?

>>52369940
What about manmade lightning?

>>52369970
Lighting. Like Day, Night, Evening. Not Thunderbolts and lightNing.

I don't want to get rid of the weather conditions, I just want to be able to be sure I can see what the map looks like.

>>52369940
>>52369999

You doing a AtB campaign? there's something in campaign options, under mission or contract generation. I'd look, but busy in a match right now. And java is lame.

>>52369866
Thanks for the feedback. It's a good note that even if we don't end up doing texture the pure white should be toned down - not something I'd thought about.

For the top and sidebar, the frame around the faction emblems is necessary to account for the clipping issues some of them will have. Beyond that it's just two extra lines. So hopefully it ends up being best of both worlds for most people. Personally I tend toward the simpler.

>>52369892
No.

>>52369903
>two Grasshopper Ns
>no Grasshopper H in sight
Cowards, you fight with optimalized hoppers when a normal hopper would do.

Do it on sunday next week and I shall bring my worst to these matches, and die horribly.

>>52370116
Ok

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>>52369738
Custom camo time?

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>>52369903
the cougar wont die

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I pop in, and this is what I see. The south skirmish seems to have been decided, and it looks like the north one is just about finished up.

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At least I got to melt a cockpit

>>52370366
What map is that? I'm always up for seeing new interesting maps.

>>52370370
If my name was fax modem, I'd be ok being dead too.

>>52370593
Fuck you, Mainframe's best investigators are here to mend and defend.

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In other news, Victor is the new black knight.

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It hurts to live

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>>52370654
You dun good son. I am proud.

>>52370654
>>52370707
Shoot it with one 5 damage shot a turn, see how long it lasts

>>52369804

Some time in the late 50s, AFAIK. I think the fluff for the Black Watch has a line about the commander drawing in a fight against the leader of the DCs who had myomer implants.

>>52369704

I like the texturing yes.

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>>52367787
Since the Nexus is the only thing that shows up listed as 'Elite' circa 3062, I think it could conceivably be either 'A' or 'B' (really depends on how you wanna fudge it) but most likely 'A'.

>>52370495

I believe it's Kalitz spaceport. 40x40 map.

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I have no idea how this guy is still alive. If he makes it out, he's getting promoted. And a weeks leave next time we pass thru Canopus.

>>52371392
I've knocked him down like four times. At least this time he isn't getting back up.

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so...about that beer...

>Round 26
>The fires still burn
>The battered survivors stalk each other through the smoke and flames
>With a pulsing crack of ionized air, another titan falls, the dull thud lost in the cackling flames as everything burns.
>The battle continues

>>52371824
>>Round 26
This is why you turn off Double Blind for big melees.

Hey /tg/

Newb, gonna be trying out some clan battle armour - elementals. I've heard that they can jump alright, but whats the best way to transport them? I know that omnimechs can carry them, but do they need to stop to let them off? Are elementals in fluff ever transported by transport or VTOL? Do you guys have recommendations for good clan makes of these? Basically I need ways to get elementals going fast.

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Current battlefield

>>52371912

Best way is usually to stick them on a fast Omni like the Fire Moth/Dasher, Ice Ferret/Fenris or Viper/Dragonfly and then go. You can transport them with vehicles but that tends to be a second-line thing. The Anhur and OmniTanks like the Epona or Hephaestus are generally the best.

IIRC you can only let troopers off at the start or end of your movement and not along the way. It might even be only at the start of your movement, it's been a long time since I played using mechanised infantry.

>>52371915
How is he not dead?

>>52372061

He's alive, but got engine critted. so...chilling, waiting to she who takes salvage

>>52371948
>marauder-5T
I don't think I've seen that one before.
what are it's stats?

>>52371912
In most cases, they're carried by hooking onto an OmniMech and using that as a ride. In other cases they're dropped in, either from orbit or low orbit drop, usually by DropShip. Otherwise they just footslog. Not a lot of transport vees for BA in the Clans, though for regular infantry that's a different story.

>>52372090

RAC-5, twin LPL, twin MPL. been doing great and we don't know why.

>>52365916
>>52369814
I have to say these two are about the best pictures of Thug I have yet come across.In most of the art depicting it, I have hard time figuring how the hell pilot is seeing over the jaw hump.

>>52372090
2x LPLs, 2x MPLs, RAC-5, 14 sinks, Tcomp, XL going 4/6 with 97% armor.

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>>52372090
>>52372121
>>52372140

i gotta say this thing is pretty dope desu

>>52372121
Ghost targets helped, plus narrow profile and my pilots fucking up TN 5 piloting rolls and such.

>>52371912
>>52372055

Thanks for the info. Guess if you don't have as many omnimechs as battlearmour squads you're pretty screwed - though can the jumping armours jump a good distance?

Vehicles might be interesting - I'd forgotten there were things like omni-tanks. I'll have to go check about how they get on/off tanks and mechs.

>>52372121
I have one of those in my CO's lance, run by a pilot with a an equivalent to 0 in gunnery. It's brutal. Especially when paired with a TarComp and used to make called shots.

>>52372206

Elementals can jump 3 hexes. They won't be going anywhere fast by themselves but it can be enough in cities or forests where everyone else is slowed down.

>>52371852
Round 36
let it end

>>52372327

welcome to round 40. at least there's only two teams remaining.

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>>52372500

Sometimes, things just survive.

>>52372500
Rip GHR-5N
like 46 rounds in

>>52372776
Its done.
Its finally finished.
52 rounds. this was too big of a map, even for 2v2v2v2

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And it's finally over.

Is there a beginner-friendly hand-holding guide to learning how to play Battletech? I love giant robots, but every time I glance at the rules, my anus clenches up and my eyes glaze over.

>>52372875
find someone who knows, preferably several someones, get them to play some friendly matches with you, have them explain shit as you go

I'm on my 5th game i think? I'm startign to get the hang of the basic shit.

>>52372875
Ease yourself into the rules. Me and my friends have slowly added rules to our games.

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>>52372949
>>52373054
>both the suggestions require friends

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>>52372875
You could, you know, follow the Against the bot guide on the OF and learn while playing in MekHQ/MegaMek. And the basic rules off Catalysts website are free and basic as fuck. If your anus is still clenched IDK man, maybe Battletech isn't for you.

Would we want to stick to same timeframe for the next brawl? I think it was on 3080.

>>52373181
Further forward, so I can add the Kitefin.

>>52373181
3150 I want to run a gauntlet if that is ok.

>>52373193

I don't know what that is, so I'm going to assume it will eat me.

>>52373212

There's one config with Arrow IV, so enjoy your nukes.

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>>52373212
It's a light omni from the TRO. Aside from one configuration, it probably won't kill too much.

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>>52373212
Only if you go swimming. On a side note could I run the brass bull or that second line Wrasslehog mech?

>>52373193
>>52373211

Is the Triskelion worth it? Seems like a lot of BV for 4 tarcomped MLs.

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>>52373181
If you dudes, don't use my sprites, I'll cry.

>>52373224
I'll hurry up and sprite it if we get Muninn's approval for a semi-public release
>>52373225
ditto

>>52373265

If I knew how to get them in, I would.

>>52373229
And two LRM-15s with Art-V. It can be worth it.

>>52373265
I would, and do, but they do bad things to my client.

>>52373274
Drop the images in \data\images\units\mechs, though they won't be totally synced to the units without editing the mechset files.

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>>52373274
At this point it is a copy and paste and drag and drop installation with a thorough read-me. I don't know how to make it any easier.

On another note, as much as I like applying hatchet to face, is it at all worth it to try for that in a FFA? seems look a good way to be the center of attention.

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>>52373310
I don't know, are you riding 95+ tons of TSM fury? Because at that point does it even matter if it is a winning strategy?

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This was mostly just a first-time thing to see how everything and everyone played. I'm gonna try running this next weekend as well, and we'll change things up a bit based on people's feedback. 3150 can totally be a thing. And training/teaching sessions can absolutely be a thing.

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>>52373288
the bad things were typos in my paste-able mechset, I'm pretty sure I have fixed them all. MM freezing is caused by by me either forgetting the file extension, or variant name is incorrect. I'm just going through each mech in MM as I add them now.
I'll post a current release in a few hours.

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>>52373333
In regards to the above, if you want or need help learning how to get better. Or there is a rule that confuses you. Please ask in the irc. I will try and help you if I can.

>>52373343
Boss and a half. While I'm not the biggest fan of the MWO aesthetic for everything, some of the default sprites are almost 15 years old, and yours are amazing.

>>52373357
What's that weird dogbot on the left?

Confirmed Java graphics shit is not the version of MegaMek. Even reinstalled Java. Goddamnit

If I did start customizing mechs, but wanted to fit the factions, what would I look out for?

Cappellans have stealtharmor
Dracs have LPPCs and HPPCs
FWL has LGRs,

etc, etc.

>>52373474
Feedsuns have brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt
Lyrans have 80-100 ton scout mechs

>>52373484
>Lyrans have 80-100 ton scout mechs

So, Chargers?

>>52373382
Thunder Fox

>>52373491
Zeus, Banshee-S versions, Atlas. Charger I think is mostly a Drac machine as they madified (sic) it to make the Hatamoto.

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>>52373369
Thank you, and yeah, my choice of art references isn't for everyone. But it is so easy to hand edit mechsets that everyone should be using their choice of sprites.
I just did a clean install of MM 43.0 on a separate drive to test my releases on and holy fuck I always forget how bad the halo blur on the newer releases sprite's is. Powershell batch rename to the rescue.
>>52373474
For me customs need to fit the theme of the mech, like a PPC Jenner would feel wrong, but a Jenner crammed with Clan ER smalls would be A-OK. YMMV. Reading the little fluff blurbs on Sarna is a good way to get a feel for how different houses run their variants.

>>52373484
>>52373513

And just swapping everything out for clantech parts is bullshit, right?

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>>52373559
Depends on the Era, really. But keeping it thematic is cool, like the Black Night -5H, but dropping in a Clan XLFE and full Clan weapons is for guilty pleasure Mary Sue mercs only.

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>>52373584
You take that back. I can't actually disagree. Mixtech everything is pretty Sue.

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>>52373611
It's just not a CA refit if it doesn't have a BAP or equivalent.

>>52373643
My insistence on having that -1 through trees is why it's in the BMM

What's the most common era for gameplay? Or do people just agree on an era ahead of time and then scour through books constantly?

>>52373651
They finally did that eh? That going to be tournament legal?

>>52373727
Yeah, just talk with your group about it. Anyone not willing to play any era is a faggot, but people are allowed (and should) have their favorite eras.

>>52373728
It's an option available in the BMM anyway.

>>52373727

It mostly depends on the group. The vast majority play with pre-3070 stuff though. Grogtech, Clan invasion, FedCom civil war, and Jihad stuff, mostly. It's much rarer to find a group that plays mostly 3150 stuff.

>>52372875
Get the Total Warfare book - that's the basic full rules. Then download Megamek and run some of the pre-made scenarios against the bot (there's a ton of varying scale and composition, including an entire folder of training scenarios). The UI takes some getting used to but it's generally transparent about showing all the rolls.

The "basic concepts" to grasp about Battletech is that:
-it's hex-based: thus LoS and positioning is abstracted compared to scale miniature wargames, where everything is based on the scale
-turn order is not fixed; players roll for initiative at the beginning of each turn and activate units one at a time. Since you don't move all your units at once, the order in which you choose to move has significant strategic value, since moves can be made in reaction to other moves earlier in the turn.
-almost all rolls are on 2d6, which makes +1 bonuses quite significant at cetain points and less significant at other points due to the nature of the bell curved probability.

>>52373751
>pre 3070

Fug, no Ursa for me.

>>52373751
The video games in particular generally don't go later than the FedCom Civil War (maybe MWO will be the first to go further), so this might be another reason why most players prefer to stick to the 3070s or earlier. Or maybe it's the other way around? Most people stick to the 3070s so people make video games for them?

>>52373826

So far as I can tell, it's primarily due to vidya. As BT gets a lot of its new players due to the vidya, that also tends to be the limits of what they're comfortable with.

>>52373771
No Antlions either.

But at least you've got Barghests!

(And Scorpions)

>>52373842
I'd also say things probably get somewhat more complicated in terms of mech and weapon choices as you go further. In 3025 you have 3-4 types each of ACs, LRMs, SRMs, Lasers, and the PPC; simple stuff.

As the eras progress though you add on a lot of new stuff and subsystems which change the game a lot - double heat sinks and/or Clantech are big ones, but ever smaller weapon upgrades and the like are harder to account for.

>>52374218

That's absolutely a thing. There's a reason why I started my campaign players in a grogtech setting with the occasional rare bit of lostech - it doesn't entirely overwhelm the new player, but gives them something to look forward to and keep an eye out for. Also, it limits your ability as a GM to accidentally be mean as fuck; not to say you can't, but that such things will generally be less intentional.

>>52373484
The Lyran scout meme is retarded and doesn't help new players.

>>52374830
Then why don't you tell me what the signature Lyran things are if not assault scouts?

Losing?

>>52375042
I'd say Incompetence, Failure, Overspending, Obesity, Submission to inbred and insane female heads of state.

>>52375068
lol so besides the female part lyrans are basically space Americans

>>52375080
Well, they ARE Space Eternal Anglo with some german thrown in for parade formations...

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Redrawing old work is totes boring. And the Draconis Combine is too poor to afford hand actuators.

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>>52375193
So I gave the Dragons the round head and ribbed shoulder plates, while the Grand Dragons kept the FD head and shoulder

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>>52375210
and I only need to variant out 1 more Chassis to break 500 sprites. Go me.

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>>52375229
I love your work.

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>>52372857
BIG
BRAINED
TRUEBORNS

>>52373265
I give you a dispensation to sprite the Kitefin and to release the Thane sprite. Go in peace, my son.

>>52372875
http://d15yciz5bluc83.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/BattleTechQuick-Start-Rules.pdf?a88c0c

This is made just for new guys. It should help you out a lot. Don't get Total Warfare or any other book until you're familiar with this.

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>>52375638
K, I'll just let Campaign anon pass them out in the IRC or something.

MORE TINY ASS GIANT ROBOTS
O
R
E
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ten9uwthaog9e1n/Sprite-Release-3-26.7z?dl=0

Many tons of sprites, 2.6 megs of them, thats over 500 sprites. Great Read-Me, drag-n-drop, easy pasting. To you, from me.
RTFM

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Finally got it done.

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>>52376547
third and final gun variant.

>>52376531
>>52376547
>>52376576
Your skills are improving with every new mech you do. For real; Great Job.
You also now have have the dubious honor of having done the best piece of Charger art ever.

>>52372174
Ended up facing off against a couple friends that random rolled a lance worth of narrow/low profile mechs the other week. Was bloody annoying when paired with ghost targets.

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>>52376531
>>52376547
>>52376576

Would happily charge the fuck out of things piloting a mini that good looking.

>>52375638
No IS mechs? I am disappoint.

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>>52375042
>Then why don't you tell me what the signature Lyran things are if not assault scouts?
>>52373474
High production, with a strong emphasis on jack-of-all-trades heavy/assault 'Mechs and extremely nasty Lights and Mediums that nobody plays with. Missiles for DAYS, because (again) high production capacity. They also put a high priority on pilot survival in most of their designs, or at least on making them beefy.

Notably, they refit a lot of long-range focused designs to bracket-fire better, or for better heat-management; for example, the classical Lyran refits of the Thunderbolt and Archer swap in SRMs, while their Beemer drops the PPC and MGs for racks of missiles as well. In fact, the "Marik" Awesome refits are exactly the kind of shit the Lyrans do on the regular, but with less ammo.

Later on they become the poster children for fast melee designs and nasty fuckers with LB-20X variants.


...Also, speaking of Twenties, the Caps use the AC/20 more than anyone else. It's another one of their signature-ish weapons - the FedSuns, for all their supposed autocannon fetish, usually stay at tens or lower. Davions use gausses when they need a big gun, or strip low-caliber autocannon for PPCs and LLs, and DAMN THE HEAT FULL SPEED AHEAD.

Playing a grogtech game with Houses this afternoon.

Two mech pick for each size.

Should I go Steiner, Kurita or Liao? And what two mechs should I take?

>>52378414
Steiner, get yourself a Beemer and Thud.

>>52378414
>Two mech pick for each size.

Was this "size" or "side"? Do you mean each side of the game gets two mechs, or you get to pick a faction and select two light, two medium, two heavy, and two assault mechs?

It's hard to go wrong with Steiner.

>>52376504
Thank You very much. It's quite appreciated.

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>>52377583
>extremely nasty Lights and Mediums that nobody plays with
No joke, Lyrans probably have the best mediums out of all of the houses.

>>52379505

I dunno man, the K-hawks are pretty fucking solid mechs.

>>52377583
>In fact, the "Marik" Awesome refits are exactly the kind of shit the Lyrans do on the regular, but with less ammo.
I've never understood why anyone ever thought those were a good idea

>>52379956
"We have no spare PPCs, why don't we rip the remaining ones out and add LRMs and LLs"

>>52378537
I think the BV limit is around 2000 or so per player. Maybe 2500.

>>52378579
Yeah I meant side. It's probably going to be two mechs per.

>>52380038
I could see something like a 3PPC-4LL/3LL+JJs+MLs swap, but adding LRMs just completely misses the point

>>52380127
Bring a single Marauder II, fuck it all

>>52379956
Era of SHS. Plus some of them are good.

For the Lyrans I'm not sure why they do it. For the Mariks they so many of their designs from 3025 use PPCs I can see why keeping them all stocked would lead to shortages and force them to prioritize.

>>52380169
>force them to prioritize.
For anyone who isn't a complete moron, awesomes should be at the very top of the list, since the -8Q is probably the best SW-era assault around

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>>52380204
Implying assaults are the most neccasarry class. Are you a closet Lyran?

>>52380262
>not beating the lie-rans at their own game
Are you a capellan or something?

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>>52380262

When you can throw 3 PPCs at something, and nobody else can do anything similar, you contain no BOOM, and have almost maxxed out armour, then very few mechs can fuck with you. Awesomes are Awesome

>>52380204
I always assumed that's what they did.

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>>52380339
What about a Locust?

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>>52380371

>>52377583
>Nobody plays with
I love Lyran lights and mediums. They're fucking great!

Roommate of mine has expressed interest in megamek, on and off. If I wanted to do a introductory game with him in megamek, whats a good setup?

>>52380515
Can you list some of both class?

>>52381081
> If I wanted to do a introductory game with him in megamek, whats a good setup?

The standard intro game scenario that should actually be in MM already does the trick pretty well.

>>52381306

example.mmm?

>>52381300
Not who you are replying to but I'd like to help as a Steiner boo myself.

First in the lights their most famous and a ton of fun is the commando. it's a great little hole puncher.
For Mediums the Griffin, this mech is awesome, it's great to learn on since if you are starting off you want to keep intro tech.

These two work decently together esp to learn.

Some other Lyrans
The Wolfhound, a favorite of mine and many others it's heavy for a light a hard to kill and hits well never runs out of ammo either.

The hatchetman, and it's cool for just what you think about it, it has a hatchet for smashing stuff. Pretty easy to use, a touch thin on armor but a nice bigger gun too.

There's a downgrade/intro tech lynx in the medium groups as well that's a good way to learn heat curving.

While it's later on in cannon the Valkyirie became a Lyran mech, so if you are hurting to try things, it's sorta an option.

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>>52381300

Also the twin PPC Uziel, but mostly pic related.

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>>52381703
>>52381807
No love for Spectres, the bushie, starlayer, or nightsky?

Sarcasm aside the blitz is a lot of fun, especially the hppc version. It really is odd that people assume lyrans don't play mobile machines.

>>52381959

That ammo cookoff though.

>>52382072
What?

>>52381959
I was trying to keep to the introtech basics, but I happen to really enjoy all of them starslayers being a personal favorite.
Maybe I'm an idiot but I didn't get how to use the 'wacker for a while so bias or not I don't tend to suggest them to new players.

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>>52382142
Oh my bad I did not know this was for an introduction game. >>52381703 Nailed it for the introtech stuff.

>>52382126

Look at the mech on the right. Look at his left arm. It is exploding from the inside. Since those don't look like gauss rifles, I'm guessing ammo cookoff.

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>>52382193
Not a problem and thanks !
Have a bushwacker with the shark mouth because it looks cool as hell.

Thoughts on the Hermes II?

>>52382266
That's a ppc, not ammo cookoff

>>52382340
twice as bad as the original hermes. for 64 mmore bv, you get the exact same damage output at slightly better ranges, but at half the speed, and the inclusion of ammo so you can go BOOM.

>>52382381

Dude, the arm is in the process of exploding from the inside. PPCs don't blow up.

>>52382443
Pretty sure the intention there was smoldering internals, hence the reason the PPC isn't firing (also why there's red hot stuff; PPCs have internal capacitors that can melt down when damaged, though not for extra damage like gauss capacitors/coils). Don't recall where I read that though, so no citations, sorry.

>>52382340
AC/5 disease fucks it over pretty bad. if you swap it for a LL, though, it can be made to not suck

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>>52382072
>>52382443
Dude, first of all it the right arm. second of all, pic related. Only the Vultures left arms carry ballistics. Blame Shimmy for disengaging PPC field inhibitors while painting

>>52382413
>>52382594
What about the value of the AC5's long range and low heat?

>>52382842

Overall, the tonnage it takes up generally isn't worth it, unless you get to play with special munitions.

>>52382842
a LRM system is superior if you want to do that.
In fact, replacing a AC/5 with a two MLs and two LRM-5s is going to provide superior firepower at all ranges while saving you a ton overall
and in general, if you've only got one of them, there is literally no reason to use a AC/5 over a PPC, which has the exact same range but does twice the damage, and there is practically no light mech that actually needs to manage heat so badly that a AC/5 is a better choice in that regard. even with the fucking Toro, you're still better off with the alternating between LRMs and the PPC rather than using an AC

>>52382842
On most designs, swapping an AC/5 for a LL nets you a slight loss of range for the ability to brawl and not use ammo. Since the AC/5 is, at a minimum, 9 tons (8t+1t ammo) you can easily swap in a LL (5t) and 4 SHS (4t) and only gain 3 heat generation, which is not a big deal at all.

AC/5s are not main guns. They are secondary guns unless the intended role is AA. And I say this as an autocannonophile

>>52382842

What about 9 fucking tons and a chance to go boom?

Also, hermes 2 only goes 6/9, and it completely lacks the armour to be going that slow. Hermes 1 is better all around, especially since insane speed means that it can easily close to ML range.

>>52382842
The AC/5 is over all probably the single worst weapon in introtech, though the AC/2 is very close.
It's literally twice as heavy as it should be for the performance it delivers, and ammo explosions are just so massively shitty in introtech that anything that uses ammo is suspect as fuck already, so the AC/5 manages to not only be inefficient, but actively dangerous to keep around

>>52381306
Open field 2, enforcer in the north, hunchback in the south.

>>52376969
Those are the two that were asked for...?

What are some good intro matchups to teach various aspects of gameplay? I'm going to be using counters so any introtech machines are fine
Also, any good matchups to introduce tanks to a new player?

>>52376969
That's because I've got the best mechs, or at least semi unique looking ones. Wrist fins are 10/10.

Can someone post the Battle Value multiplier chart for piloting and gunnery skills?

>>52384131
Don't have it lying around, but I know it's in the TM Battle Value errata pdf on the BT website.

>>52383859
Use the intro rules on cgis site. You can Google them.

Is there any art of the KGC-010 and it's "fins" from the PPC cooling jackets?

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>>52384488
Art no, mini yes.

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>>52384131
here you go

>>52384573
Notably, finding that image took ten minutes because of how shit Camospecs is now. Web 2.0 or whatever fucked it hard.

>>52383859
Thud-5S VS Thud-5SS
In general I like the Thud as a trainer because it kinda does everything

>>52383921

that's amazing.

>>52383859

I think the Catapult is a good mech to teach with:

- Ammo weapons and energy weapons
- min range on LRMs
- fighting at different ranges (the old Catapult usually fires off their 8 full salvos and then pushes in to laser shit up)
- Jump jets
- some simple heat management too, without it being a crazy Davion Rifleman heat curve into the heart of a quasar

Put it up against something shit like a Jagermech so noob gets a nice win under their belt.


>tanks

Any simple tank will do. Pattons, Bulldogs, Manticores.

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New Banshee base chassis, what do you guys think? Haven't started doing the loadouts so those will give it character but/
An overhead orthographic projection really fucks over a humanoid mech who's real defining feature is super spoopy face.

>>52373742
>Anyone not willing to play any era is a faggot
the only 'era' I'm at a hard pass for is Wars of Reaving, which is less of an era and more of a setting.

>>52384573

sweet. Thanks. Now I can pimp out my commanders ride

>>52384987

Trying out an Elyleuka, and they have the same problem. All of their shape is presented to the front, so their overhead view is...lackluster.

>>52385270
>not liking the best era since the Invasion

Found the shitlord with the unreasoning and almost certainly ill-informed hatred for good things.

>inb4 "i-i-i didn't like it when brett andrews thew a knife XD"
>inb4 "i-i-i didn't like it when by fave clan died XD"
>inb4 "i-i-i didn't like it when the clans acted stupid just like clans always do, instead of being smart like the efficient real world militaries that I wrongly believe the Clans to be like XD"

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>>52384987
That looks fantastic! Really gives the mech some more beef without looking like a skinny guy in a lifejacket. Pic is the current banshee graphic.

It might look a little more iconic if you made the eyes visible from above, even if that doesn't make total sense in terms of perspective.

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Speaking of the Wars of Reaving, what do you guys think of my Dark Caste as Fuck Hellbringer? I thought the Fuel Cell/AC5 combo was a nice touch.

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>>52386039
Opening page with quirks and crappy "made in 5 minutes" fluff on this one.

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>>52385385
Sprites is hard.
>>52386034
Thank you. But not gonna go the cheater route, I force enough weird perspective as it is. I'll do my normal thing and just come back to it.

New thread
>>52386592

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Just sending the thread off

>>52385490
You do realize some people don't like the Clans, so something that's purely Clan-on-Clan silliness doesn't interest them at all? (Although, speaking as someone who doesn't like Clans vs. IS, I find Clans fighting themselves to be absolutely hilarious.)