Grognards eternally BTFO edition >Space marines are Ork T

first for nids

inb4 female marines cringe

second for SoB

>>52345645
so it begins

I hope I get to see WAACfags burning their deathstar/formation armies just like they did at the start of AoS.

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>>52345645
Fuck yes bug brother.

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less bitching, more Sisters of Boobies

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Hey everybody I heard you were discussing female space marines, plastic sisters, and anime posting.

>>52345633
>>Space marines are Ork Tier!
>>It's impossible for there to be female space marines!
>>Riprides are Tau's TEQ!
Trying to associate the reasonable people with the Riptide fag and the Smurfs are Ork tier fag to make your pathetic waifu obsession with female space marines seem less retarded from the outset, very clever.

>>52345671
Show us where wellbuilded lists tounched you?

>>52345685
Hey this is actually pretty good

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THIS THREAD JUST STARTED, CAN THE SHITPOSTING ALREADY

>>52345657
>tried to inb4 it but OP was already the autist pining for waifuable tit marines
We tried.

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Great thread

>>52345698

>Deathstars
>Well-rounded
Choose one and only one.

>>52345671
I'll be extra hard for that if we get AOS seekers and Daemonetts.

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>>52345687
Female spehs muhreens are practically a guarantee at this point.

>>52345685
>>52345714
Except the eyes, the eyes need work.

The tits are also slightly too large but that's just personal preference.

How do you guys kit out anti-infantry vanguard vets? I was thinking three with power weapons and storm shields and two with two claws.

>>52345769
Sigmarines don't need genectic engineering, they're just divine warriors

40k already has ladies in power armor, they're called the SoB

>>52345769
Not even remotely.

What is practically a guarantee is that we will EVENTUALLY see plastic SoB update.

>>52345769
Except that female storm casts have been in the lore since day 1 of AOS.

Female marines haven't been in 40K lore...for a very long time.

I can't wait for space marine players to lose their free transport Decurion shitfest. Soon it won't be free.

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Just stop replying to the shitposters. Either have actual discussion, or just leave the thread.

If the same goddamn images with the same goddamn claims keep getting (you)s, it WONT EVER STOP

>>52345822
Hope they make Tacticals worth taking, otherwise it's back to Scouts and Bikes for troops

Orks and Nids need to fucking die.

Can we make a list of all the shitposting topics trolls like to bring up to piss people off that shouldn't be responded to?

>female space marines happening
>Slaanesh/Imperial Guard/anything getting squatted

Anything else?

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>>52345822
I never take the Gladius, and I hate that free rhinos/razorbacks/drop pods and mass ObjSec are what made Marines super competitive.

>>52345781

Jump packs only.
They're expensive enough as is.

>>52345633
>all this imperial releases
>Tau lay forgotten
>No new units
>characters are still fincrap
Why does GW hates tau? What are they hearing to the imperial babies complaining? They had their chance give us the spot light back
>hurr Durr orkz and Tyranids
Nobody plays them, stop playing meme armies.

>>52345857
>Anything else?

>>52345849 this one tasteless faggot who hates Orks and Nids, add his posts to the list.

How do you play SM without IG meatshields, free transports or mass-grav?

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>>52345870
>Taufags
>Anyone ever caring about their faggot opinions

>>52345791
>>52345795
>>52345810
>That boxset sells like hotcakes due to sweaty nerds wanting the only currently available female sigmarine
>Actually think GW won't capitalise on that in their flagship franchise over a little thing like 'The Fluff'

Poor, niave children.

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>>52345870
Rudolf the neck beard grognard, always has a shitty day, and if you ever saw him, you would laugh and call him gay, most of the /tg/ gamers, have no issues having fun, but Rudolf the neck beard grognard, thinks hes the important one, then in twenty seventeen, G dubs came to say, age of sigmars here to stay, now let's go fix 40k, then most of /tg/ smiled, happy for the changes yay! Rudolf the neck beard grognard, hung himself alone that day, hung himself aloooooone thaaaaaaat daaaaaaay!

>>52345880
I like my Anvil Strike Force
My Warlord is usually the Land Raider HQ, but he has a Grav Cannon. So would probably sub him for a generic Land Raider.

Thinking of running it in an Iron Hand instead, for giving my Predators PotMS and letting my Vindicators move 12" and PotMS their Demolisher volly.

>>52345880
Tactical squads Lascannon, Plasmagun
Combat team
Half the squad stays put on objectives to hold them with bolter and lascannon. Other half goes mobile and hostile.

Attack bikes with Multi-melta for tank hunting.

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Newfag here, wat is grognard?

Do we have the rules for shadow war armageddon yet?

>>52345952
Oh and sergeant with Boltpistol and Powerfist.

You know the way we did things back in 3rd.

>>52345972
The new buzzword for Age of Shillmar posters to throw at anyone (ie almost everyone) telling them to fuck off with their shitty game.

>>52345880
By playing CSM, alpha legion

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>>52345972
You have the Internet. You can find out what it means on your own.

I believe in you.

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>>52345841
Truly space marines have been shafted the worst while orks have been coasting on their OP codex for several editions now.

>>52346003
Newfag, grognard has been around forever, it refers to people who cling to old editions and are afraid of change

>>52345925
>Thinks there's actually a sizeable market for female Stormcast

You overestimate THICCXD posters.

>>52346030
I know it's been around forever you dumb fuck, but it's now being used as a buzzword by AoSmegmar faggots.

>>52345972
Eh, some annon came in yesterday complaining about how 7th Ed sm's were Ork tier. Spent a thread seriously trying to justify it through repeated ridicule, then someone started every thread op with a pic of cultist chan and green text ridicule to the point that it got old and annoying.

Also a reference to waccfags complaining about how the new Ed will require them to start their lists all over.

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>>52345685
>>52345714
>>52345774
I think they said it was a cel-shaded 3D model back when they were posted

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>>52345645
Live for the Swarm!

Do nids prefer Harpies or Mawlocs?

and

Does anyone have a lictor heavy army? How do they do usually?

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>>52346050
You underestimate them.

The last THICC model they released moved a shitload of boxes.

>>52345925
Hence sisters of battle, you fucking idiot

>>52346109
Not as much as the Marine one.

>>52346088
Mawlocs tend to be preferred since they're one of the very few units in the Codex which aren't completely shit right now. Also their whole model and concept is just cool imo.

Nobody really runs Lictors, they haven't been good since 2nd ed (and it's one of the biggest travesties of the game along with terminators being underpowered)

>>52346109
90% of those were people who wanted pimp daddy Cawl, his 4 hoes that came in the box were either just a bonus or unwanted chaff sold on eBay.

>>52345880
By building a fluffy list from one of their other Decurions. Flameblade Strike Force for maximum fire.

>>52346056
>Also a reference to waccfags complaining about how the new Ed will require them to start their lists all over.
WAACfags aren't the ones upset about the new changes. They mostly hurt armies that are already hurting.

>>52346109
But people only cared about Cawl.

>>52346180
naw, celestine was leading all the polls GW did for "why did you buy the triumvirate"

>>52345697
I was the one the discussing the possibility of female marines. Clearly there are other people who exist that will give notion to the possibility of this happening.

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>>52345685
>tasteful lewd of SoB
>Suddenly remember the post about 'Sisters getting turned into "Happy Digga Wives"' from a few generals ago
DAMN IT SLAANESH!

>>52346143
SO when a lictor hits and runs does the unit it was attacking just get to snapfire at it and have a round of shooting in the next turn to bring it down?

>>52346199
>trusting polls
Brexit will never happen, comrade!

>>52346160
They polled it. Celestine was the chief reason that box sold.

The 10,000 year old Turbo-Autist Supreme was a distant second.

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>>52346213
You rang?

>>52345857
I've got plenty to add to that list
>female marines are impossible
>AoS is a bad game
>40k is ruined and over
>people trying to have fun are wrong
>there will never be plastic sisters
>X is getting squatted L-O-L

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>>52345633
Anime artwork for codex and rulebook when? If sjw can have female space Marines I want Guilliman to be turned into 40k saber and monstergirls guards

>busty rough riders become Canon
Yes please

>>52346242
>implying it wasn't people who didn't even buy the box pity-voting for the SoBs just so they'll get an update

>>52346240
You think opinion polls run by liberal news sources or organizations that skew liberal in results are equivalent to polls run by a company on a page specifically for fans of that company?

Get your head checked. There's no ideological bias towards Celestine. She was just the most popular.

>>52346240
>A poll was wrong
>Ergo all polls are wrong forever

/tg/ has a minimal requirement for critical thinking now. You have to go back.

>>>/pol/

>>52346160
As much as I like Cawl you are so wrong it hurts.

Fat cows alone sold the box.

I bet you work GW, completely confuse about people buy something else beside marines.

>>52345972
Selfis dickheads that think their version of fun is better than everyone else

>>52345781
the most efficient way is to not take that garbage unit

>>52346258
Why are you so obsessed with female space marines? It's getting embarrassing.

>>52346274
But polls are consistently wrong and open to manipulation.

>>52345940
Autism

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>>52346283
Can someone please explain the "celestine is fat" meme to me? Normally I'm pretty good at understanding internet nonsense but this one runs so counter to the directly observable reality that I'm having a hard time figuring it out.

>>52346311
See >>52346271

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>>52345972
This is a grognard
>>52327520

He probably cares more about space marines than his family or friends, if he had any. He blames any losses incurred with his decurion attachment as his codex was written more poorly than the orks.

>>52346320
The model looks fat compared to the older SoB models and Sisters of Silence. They added a bit too much padding to the corset area.

>>52346320
Sisters of Silence power armour is way thinner than Celestine and twins. Even GayFox power armour is thinner than the trio.

That is why.

>>52346320
that picture has excellent rendering but none of the hair actually makes any sense

>>52346315
Yes you have it. Take some pills like your mommy said.

>>52345946
How do you get ObjSec? Just a CAD on the side?

>>52346267
>implying the male nerds of this game aren't searching day and night for reasons to love girls
>implying celestine isn't a pleasant reminder that not all girls are whores and getting married is worth it
>implying western women aren't so depressingly lame that it's nice to see kick ass girls once in a while

>>52346375
>>implying celestine isn't a pleasant reminder that not all girls are whores and getting married is worth it
So which echo chamber are you from, m8, /pol/ or /r9k/?

>>52346300
It's more of an obsession with proving naysayers wrong. I'm actually quite mysoginist

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>>52346283

>>52346387
Or you could not actively be an argumentative autist? What the fuck do you get out of proving anonymous people wrong on the internet? That's just sad.

>>52346392
He's got the moves
>Chess moves

>>52346386
>So which echo chamber are you from, m8, /pol/ or /r9k/?

He's from /r9k/. Unfortunately these cretins have taken up residence in /pol/ en-mass by this point as well.

>>52346392
Holy fucking kek

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>>52346354
Sisters of Silence don't wear power armour, it's just bulletproof plate and mail, hence it's skinnier because it doesn't have all the fibrebundle musculature under it.

>>52346386
I picked her up because I play templars and following a saint into battle is cool. But there's a lot of dudes that post here who have pretty negative views on women. So I say this to try and justify why celestine was the most popular one from the set, perhaps it was simply that shes just cool?

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>>52346246
Oy Slaanesh, Blood Axe 'umie fodder 'erder 'ere.
Meeb got a qweztun f'yaz:

Which Sistaz wuud 'elp meeb make da best Diggas?

>>52345633
I was arguing that barring those very few formations and unit combinations a vast majority of Space Marine units are incredibly underperforming.
When you have a total of 54 different units and a whopping 8 are used outside of busted formations or for tax purposes, you have a fucking problem, especially when you have over 30 different formations and detachments and only a very minor group of those is viable.

>>52345862

How can you idiots not get the simple concept that having to shoehorn units into a set of very specific configurations in order to make them good does not equate to actual good units?

>>52346423
Anon SoS use power armour.

Also way of working against the point by posting almost skin tight SoB power armour.

>>52346403
Because assholes need to understand they aren't safe and their shitty one sided opinions will be checked, even on anonymous Mongolian basket weaving boards

>>52346434
>54 different units

you fucking what?

>>52346434
Oh my god stop the samefag false flag horseshit.

We all know that guy was a retard and that Space Marines are a thousand times better than Orks. You're just shitting up the thread laughing at your own jokes now, it's cringey.

>>52346430
>But there's a lot of dudes that post here who have pretty negative views on women.

Vocal minority.

Most neckbeards can buy a pretty badass living saint model without being triggered by flashbacks of the qt grills laughing at them in school.

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>>52346347

Hey, hey, guess who's back?

>>52346434

>>52345972
A french word meaning mumbler.
Also an official position in the french army under napoleon Bonapart donating one who was a veteran of the army who's bitching and moaning should be respected.

In modern gaming it means any veteran of the game who bitches and moans about changes in editons. How the old version was better. Example D&D Grognards who believe that 2nd edition D&D was the superior edition and that third and later editions are inherently inferior because they are not second edition.

In our context those who have been playing since earlier editions who believe all newer editions that have significant rules changes ( 6th, 7th, and now 8th) are all inferior to their favorite or first edition of the game (3rd, 4th, 5th) which they are viewing with nostalgia googles on.

In short a Gorgnard is someone who bitches and moans that things change even when they change for the most part better, because they changed.

Kinda like me with battletech, and that stupid quick play version they wrote that shits all over everything. Seriously they should have just contacted Dream Pod 9 and asked them for help making it. Hell paid them for their new Heavy Gear Blitz rule set and just filled in their own weapons in the table, then they'd have a game worth playing!

You see kinda like that.

>>52346464
>reddit spacing
It all makes sense now.

>>52346450
Ahahahahah, holy shit. You're so brave anon.

This would be pathetic even if you WERE right about female space marines being a possible thing.

>>52346464
Is that a gringo thing or is more widespread?

>>52346374
I don't.

My goal is between my Whirlwinds and my Vindicator's Mega-Blast they hopefully won't have OBJ secured.

>But again for my meta, almost no one has Obj Secured so it's not that critical.

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>>52346448
They very specifically don't, at least in the Horus Heresy series.

It's just plate armour made out of the same shit the Custode's is, it's not powered.

>>52345940
>>52345940
>age of sigmars
>fix 40k
Yeah let's replace bad system be somthing which is beyond repair instead of just fixing
>happy for the changes yay!
>changes are good by default
tips fedora

>>52346480
Sorry

For

Triggering

You

>>52346502
Ah that is the problem HH books are bad. Some are a fun read and very few are decent.

SoS use power armour. Like any shit the Emperor made himself.

>>52346387
>proving naysayers wrong
You finally got any evedience from fluff anti-anti-SJW?

Who ready for nids to get a mega codex and become the best ever?

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>>52346471
>thinking people will fall for you pretending to be another retard so you can try and look smart arguing with yourself

>>52346544
GW better hope they do this. This is their last chance. If they fuck up nids again I'm not giving those jews any more of my money, and I'll sell all my nids on eBay so other nerds wont be giving them as much money either.

>>52345769
>the hips
>the abs

hmn

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>>52346525
>SoS use power armour.

They really don't.

>>52346476
It doesn't apply to 40k so well since the earlier editions are overwhelmingly objectively better, though.

Putting Cruddace on the design team for 7th was one of the worst mistakes they ever made.

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>Chaos is a serious threat

>>52346502
Is there a reason for the sword being thinner near the tip and then thick again or is it just rule of cool?

>>52345925
I hate these shit arguments.
>Hurr durr it could happen in the future
Then I have to wait until 40k ends or the heat death of the universe to prove you wrong.

>>52346143
You must not remember the Lictorshame lists.

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>>52346497
>800 pts of vehicles
Do you think something like this would work as an alternative or am I lacking in troops?

Hopes for 8th edition?

>>52346508
Well according to Bell of Lost Souls it's going to be a 10 page rule set rather than 4. The goal is to be between HH and AOS in complexity. So as not to turn off new players but also not be totally repellant to the old.

The core rulebook will be slightly longer than generals handbook. But will include narrative play with random generated armies that can escalate, and default will be matched play. All Datasheets (possibly called Dataslates) will have points values printed on them.

The core book will be structured similar to Generals Handbook.

>>52346607
I do, they were a gimmick that lasted for like 2 months and then disappeared. Lictors are garbage.

>>52346609
you're probably going to have a bad time

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>>52346508
>changes are good by default
But Anon, change IS good by default
>Don't you trust me?

>>52345925
>nerds
>wanting the only currently available female sigmarine
Wut?

>>52346598
Shit artist.

Only practical effect would be to make it easier for it to get trapped inside anything you stabbed that was wearing armor.

>>52346544
>nids to get a mega codex and become the best ever?
>Nids
>best ever
>Largest Hive Fleet is currently tied/losing to a bunch of walking space mushrooms in the Octarius Sector
The bugs need to get their shit together in the fluff before they can even consider themselves anything close to 'the best'.

>>52346630
Thanks!

>>52346614
>according to BOLS
No reason to read past this point.

>>52346614
>Well according to Bell of Lost Souls it's going to be a 10 page rule set rather than 4.
6 WHOLE MORE PAGES THAN AOS, WOW.

Well, if they don't fuck it up, this could actually be decent.

>>52346456
Please, do show me the basic Space Marine army lists that aren't
A) Gladius with almost 400 points of free tanks
B) Skyhammer cheese Alpha Striking to kill everything with Grav
C) Grav-Bike spam White Scars
D) Iron Hands deathstar Smashfucker abuse

>>52346614
>between HH and AOS in complexity.
So most likely it will be shit with random circlejerk.

>>52346637
>>Largest Hive Fleet is currently tied/losing to a bunch of walking space mushrooms in the Octarius Sector
You mean a single tendril of the largest Hive Fleet is currently winning against the largest Ork Empire in the galaxy?

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>"muh Grognard btfo" shitposter is making early threads again

And last thread almost gave me hope he got the fuck out and the OPs wouldn't be unrelated and shitpost encouraging garbage anymore.

>>52346481
But they are a possibility, just highly unlikely and not necessary. You may not thnk that this argument is relevant or important because it's similar to arguing that a car can technically act as a boat, even tho boats exist. But the argument of a car acting as a boat is indeed an important argument, if some loud mouth retarded fuck was ranting on about how it would be impossible.

>>52346614
Hmmm. If they keep HH the way it is maybe I'll switch to that. Anyone know where I can find an unclaimed oil field?

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>>52346628
>>Don't you trust me?

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>>52346459
>Groggy gets BTFO for a fourth time edition

>>52346677
Every oil field is an unclaimed oil field if you remove the previous owner

>>52346675
>But the argument of a car acting as a boat is indeed an important argument, if some loud mouth retarded fuck was ranting on about how it would be impossible.
No, see, here is where you're wrong. The fact that you're insecure enough that you feel a need to engage those idiots on their level just to play pedantic devil's advocate even when you know they're BASICALLY correct shows a weakness of character in you.

>>52346647
That is nearly triple the size.
it's 2.5 times the size not counting army creation rules so...that would fix a lot of problems.

>>52346594
I mean, serious it aint, but I actually think that sounds kind of fun. LOLrandom isn't brilliant, but it's controllable for the most part. 3+ Turn 1, 2+ Turn 2 and you're guaranteed to do fine. Would play against.

>>52346719
That's why I said it COULD be decent.

I just don't have a lot of hope given their track record.

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>>52345880

Just because formation bonuses are absolutely broken to counteract how shit the actual units, barring (Grav-)Bikes, Deathstars and Grav-Centurions are does not equal a powerful codex, considering their most used Formation isn't even from one of the books

>>52346528
If it's never been attempted then how do you know it won't work? I imagine the people who watched the first guy to jump off a cliff with man made wings thought he was pretty retarded

>>52346677
Not many play Solar Auxilia if you have money to burn, and Militia and Cults offers freedom to do almost anything you like and is also pretty damn rare. Mechanicum is comparatively popular and fun, but if you pick any of those you'll have the advantage of everyone tailoring HARD against Marines, not hordes of chaff, big stompy robots or both, since the vast majority are Legiones Astartes. Custodes are also a thing, but are either easy as fuck to beat or almost unstoppable cheese depending on build, with very little in between.

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>>52346745
You're arguing with the wrong guy here. I just wanna make a non-cheesy SM army that won't suck

>>52346736
Having played AOS, it is fun. The extra pages will likely help patch it up and shore it up, so, I'm all for it. Plus the expected price for the core book was something like $15-20, around the cost of the generals Handbook. So can't go wrong there.

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>>52346508
>>52345870

>Hello grognard my old friend, I've come to laugh at you again, because the 40k rules changing, and is making it worth playing, but not for you cause your stuck living in the past, and that won't last, within the age of emprah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4

>>52346614
I call BolShit on anything they say. They're laughably bad at rumormongering.

>>52346751
>If it's never been attempted then how do you know it won't work?
Because it's fiction, anon. It isn't real. It can't be attempted. We can only go off of what the authors tell us, and what information we have, and ALL of that information says there are no female space marines and never will be. There's not even a hint to the contrary. The closest thing is Fabius Biles nu-Chaos Marines from a Black Library book, and we all know how often BL gets shit on by the rulebook/Codex canon, it's basically a joke.

>>52346589
>argues against grognard defition with grognard response

You do realize that your entire statement was "but the earlier editions are better because I think they are"

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>>52346763
>arguing
>implying he's not just shitting up the thread

Just ignore him, if everyone would he'd be bored and go back to wherever he came from.

>>52346667
>tendril largest Hive Fleet is currently winning against the largest Ork Empire in the galaxy?
>winning despite they haven't taken the capital world yet even WITH the Swarmlord on the battlefield (and that was before Ghazzy dropped by mind you)
>More Orks from all over the galaxy wide keep joining every day, and get bigger/stronger/tougher to kill with each fight they survive
>'nids still somehow "winning"

They're ORKS. The 'nids are fighting a battle of attrition here that they shouldn't be wasting time on and probably will lose by the end of the Gathering Storm if my gut's right. Hurry up and go 'nom on Rowboat's ankles already!

Seriously though, if that's just a 'tendril', where the fuck is the rest of Hive Fleet Leviathan?

>>52346766
Main things they need to do:

NOT port over this new Morale mechanic, it's really awful.

NOT allow this garbage shooting into/out of close combat stuff AoS does.

Keep Strength and Toughness values.

The rest seems okay.

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>>52346619
The winner of the 2015 Vegas was a nid with 9 lictors and 3 mawlocs.

Guess fortune favors the bold and not the echo chamber.

How will Hit and Run work in 8th?

>>52346783
Or it's like I have been saying.
Emps was trying Jurrasic Park style population control and was spewing techno-babble at people hoping they wouldn't notice, because it could be done he just didn't want it to be done, so that Astartes could die off when he was done with them, and not become a self perpetuating species of their own.

>>52346614
The problem is, autistic grognards need a 200 page rulebook to feel like they're good at something, even if those rules could be easily explained on 10 pages

>>52346787
No the earlier editions are better because they are designed and written better. Anyone who has played them can tell you this, anyone who has game design experience will tell you this.

You realize your argument hinges on the idea that a newer version of a thing will ALWAYS be better and developers will never ever make mistakes and go backwards in quality?

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>Space Marines immune to battle shock.

>>52346795
All over the place. They're coming from the bottom of the galactic plane.

>>52346751
>If it's never been attempted then how do you know it won't work?
Because fluff says clearly "Primarchs are male their geneseed works only with male humans".

>>52346797

>NOT allow this garbage shooting into/out of close combat stuff AoS does.

I dunno, I'd be cool with some limited amounts of that. Tying up an entire unit of 20 people with a single guy has always annoyed me. Likewise it being somehow impossible to put a ranged weapon into a massive dreadnought that's busy punching humans who can't hurt it back.

>>52346795
>Seriously though, if that's just a 'tendril', where the fuck is the rest of Hive Fleet Leviathan?
About to wipe out the homeworld of the Blood Angels after chewing its way through multiple super-heavily defended systems.

Another tendril was trying to eat and merge with Kraken but got shut down at Valedor by Eldar doomsday weapons, they a bunch of them were taken back to Commorragh by the Dark Eldar and are now running wild after the events of GS2.

Mind you this is also after one of the main tendrils of Leviathan was defeated at Tarsis Ultra.

Leviathan is fucking everywhere.

>>52346708
Except they aren't basically correct. And if enjoying watching those arrogant fucks scream and rant makes me a weak person, then guilty as charged

>>52346434
I wish space marine players would go outside once in a while...or just kill themselves

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>>52346161
>build a fluffy list from one of their Decurions
>tfw Black Templars player
I g-guess I'll just spam Crusader Squads in LRCs with Castellans.

>>52346771
>AoS-like rules
>making it worth playing
pick one

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How's my list? Autarch runs with Incubi in the Raider

Not too sure about Autarch man though, he doesn't feel worth the points really

>>52346672
See
>>52346315

>>52346797
Shooting in and out of combat makes perfect sense tho. They would need to make it so you can hit your own guys, and maybe have leadership penalties for killing your own guys, but the concept works

>>52346657
Are you high? I was questioning space marines having 54 different units. Theres like maybe 15 different types of units to select for each army and some variations on the units. having 8 good ones isn't a bad thing. Those lists are just plain cheese and I'm glad they're rewarding more thematic lists in 8th.

>>52346797
I'll disagree with you on the Morale mechanic. It's...good. Better than worrying about getting swept.

Allow shooting into/through combat at a penalty, but not out of. Meaning you can shoot into your own close combat if you don't have melee weapons. (though I think everyone in 40k has at least bayonets)

New strength/toughness mechanic. No looking at a chart other than what's on your sheet. weapon S is added to die roll, if that number equal or higher than enemy tough you wound.
Lasgun s +0, bolter S+1
Toughness values basically unchanged.

That's how I would do it.
Also space marines slower that guard by a little, Terminators even slower, Centurions slowest things alive.

>>52346925
At best, shooting INTO combat could be made to work with the penalties you describe.

Shooting OUT of combat is total bullshit.

>>52346823
And you're argument hinges on newer things always being bad because you said so.

>>52346882
>enjoying the pokemon card game during 40k
>this is fun
Pick one.

Sorry you will have to move your plastic dolls once and a while.

>>52346925

I'd just toss the target a cover save/say you can't use template/blast weapons.

After all, shooting through units to hit other units is a cover save.

>>52345870
What the fuck are you complaining about?

Tau just got what three books last year or the year before with updated models and shit and they're still a top tier army competitively

You don't expect updates every goddamn year you wait your turn like everyone else

t. Tau player since 2003

>>52346928
He's literally samefaging to the point of copying posts from like 6 threads ago from yesterday. Mods should just get this fuck out of here and stop him shitting up thread after thread.

>>52346942
No, it doesn't. Now you're just making shit up.

>>52346896
Due to complicated rules FAQ stuff, your craftworld eldar are not allowed to start in raiders even if part of a DE squad.

>>52346847
Emps made the primarchs, and he made celestine what she is, something tells me he could easily make female primarchs. I'm not arguing with his decision to go all male I just want it to be very clear that female marines are technically possible, if he wanted to make them

>>52346974
Can't he just waddle up to it in the movement phase?

>>52346948
>>enjoying the pokemon card game during 40k
Where I said I enjoying current 40k rules?

>>52346955
This grognard hates being reminded how retarded his whole argument was.

>>52346981
He can but that means being completely exposed if the enemy takes first turn.

>>52346975
>and he made celestine what she is
Nope he empowered her, like God empowering Greater Daemons

>>52346989
That's true, but I could just put him right behind the raider, or behind terrain within movement of the raider

I don't think that'll be a common issue in 1250

>>52346982
You need to sing that song in time with the song. Seventh is the shittiest iteration of this game by far.

>>52346975
Newer fluff seems to be reducing the amount of knowledge the Emperor actually had in the creation of the Primarchs so he couldn't even make any more male ones if he 'wanted' to.

>>52346988
You're nothing short of a shitposting retard that even just admitted to samefagging for the sake of shitting up the thread.

I couldn't give less of a shit about Grognard this, Grognard that and a majority of people do not give a shit, it's just you continuously posting that crap.

>>52346975
The Emperor is fucking dead, he's not making anything anymore. The technology that made the Primarchs has been lost for 10,000 years. It's all the Imperium can do to keep using the gene-seed they have, getting it to work on 1 out of 100 young men while the rest die horribly or scrub out to become chapter serfs or servitors.

>>52347015
>says the grognard starting yet another argument over it
Hey kid, calm down.

>>52347010

Did you sleep through 5th or something?

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>>52346789
>maybe if I samefag, it will make things better

>>52346940
Shooting out of combat would work too, it's not impossible to point your gun at a bro you see in need of help across the field. But you would definitely suffer the consequences of letting the guy you're fighting hit you first, or losing your attacks all together

>>52347039
You're not taking aim across the field when you have murdering monsters literally in your midst hacking your squad apart. Don't defend this retardation.

>>52345880
Lots of tacticals supported by vanguard and terminators

>>52347038
>samefag
What? Which other posts am I supposed to samefag?

>>52346956
It literally is. That's the awesome thing about opinions, everyone has them and none of them are better than the rest.

>>52347037
>5th took away sweeping advances and charging from outflank
>7th still has both of these rules in addition to more shooting and a gay card game.

Are you watching cartoons in your head while you type to me.

>>52347039
Ohh hey that's a good rule. I might just borrow that for AOS. Maybe instead of them hitting you first you grant a +1 to hit.

>>52346805
>How will Hit and Run work in 8th?
Hit and Run:
>When your model wants to Hit and Run, use your Adeptus Hourglass set to 20 seconds. As soon as the timer begins, run towards the wall furthest from the table. Upon reaching the wall, run back to the table. After the 20 seconds are over your model may move 1/2" for each lap you completed, up to 12". If you can touch the table and the wall. Do push-ups instead, one push-up counts as 1/4"!

>>52346805
-i heard you went to vegas! what did you do there? meet some ladies, huh?!:)
-i played a warhammer 40k tournament!
-i have no son

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>>52347086
>Adeptus Hourglass
Alright, fuck you asshole, I didn't want to laugh but you got me.

>>52346877
>Crusader Squads in LRCs with Castellans
>LRC that respawn on a 5+
>crying

DEUS VULT

>>52346763
Nah its not like that, we simply got sick and tired of shit posters like you coming here and whining so we shit post back. Ignoring them doesn't work at all, but maybe I of we call them retarded enough times they might actually kill themselves.

>>52347112
>LRC gets immobilized
>16 dudes have to walk
>LRC gets ignored because it's a non-issue
Every. Single. Time.

>>52347001
That's why I said he made her what she is, he didn't physically create her body.
>>52347014
I find it highly unlikely that he wouldn't remember how to make primarchs
>>52347032
He's literally not dead, he uses all of his power to try and control the warp, his physical body is all but dead.

All he has to do is speak to someone and tell them how to make new gene seed

>>52346934
>space marines slower that guard by a little, Terminators even slower, Centurions slowest things alive.

Fluffwise PA Marines are faster than Guard

>>52347015
>Gets butthurt so he samefags and shits his thread
Take it easy groggy you might get so worked up you shoot up a school.

>>52347059
Just because you can't fathom selfless acts of sacrafice doesn't mean they don't happen.

You trying to tell me Jarren Kell wouldn't let some dude take a swing at him while he was trying to save creed?

>>52347129

I'd personally go with something like:

Guard 5
Marine/SOB 6
Scout/Base Eldar 7

>>52347128
>All he has to do is speak to someone and tell them how to make new gene seed
He manages to speak like less than once a century.

He doesn't run anything. He doesn't communicate basically ever. He's a hollow shell of his former self. And he never even knew everything about the geneseed to begin with, he had teams of geneticists working for him back then.

>>52347117
How is asking advice on building a non-meta, non-cheese SM army shitposting?

>>52347086
>Suddenly the roundest of this game are no longer the highest ranked.

>>52347147
I'm saying they wouldn't be able to take aim through the smoke and dust at some other threat far in the distance over the screaming thrashing blade-armed aliens spraying their squadmates intestinal fluids all over their face.

40k has NEVER allowed anyone to shoot out of combat, and no one has ever complained about it, why they fuck do you think that is?

>>52347086
No wonder people hate AoS, that's more exercise than most of you fucks get in a year

>>52347172
The top WAACfags actually already tend to be /fit/ as fuck and even conventionally attractive in many cases. A lot of the ITC guys look like your typical Chad stereotype jocks. Probably explains why so many fat autists on this board hate ITC irrationally.

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>>52347092
>Spends more money on plastic men than he ever did on his parents

This game does not create wholesome well balanced young men.

>>52347129
>space marines slower that guard by a little

Where the fuck did you get that idea? They're so fast and agile they cause regular humans to freak out when they see them move.

>>52347201
Whoa there groggy, what are you implying?

You're the ITC 'chad' and not a fat autist? lol

>>52347201
>That fat guy buttcrack video doesn't count
Sure.

>>52347123
Well the last time i immobilised one it shot my Deamon Prince to shred with psychic shenaningans help

>>52347216
Why are you assuming I'm one of the people you're having your autistic "grognard" fights with, or that I'm claiming I have anything to do with ITC? I'm just stating facts. Go look up the people I'm talking about and you can see for yourself.

>>52347211
>>>/pol/
Stop shitting up our board you stupid nazi fucks, OUT.

>>52347228
>Black Templars
>fluffy list
>Psykers

Kek.

Last time I managed to drive one into the middle of a bunch of Tyranids it killed around 100 points of Gaunts before the game was simply over.

>>52347112
That 5+ never happens or
>>52347123 that happens.

>>52347178
Because shooting in and out of combat would make IG, orks, nids, and dark eldar top tier armies, and would fuck marines hard.

>>52347222
I don't know what video you're referring to, the only thing coming to mind is that dude who trolled the MtG tournament taking selfies with their asscracks.

>>52347245
>Because shooting in and out of combat would make IG, orks, nids, and dark eldar top tier armies, and would fuck marines hard.
...what?

You mean it would be the final nail in the coffin for Orks and Tyranids and turn Tau into the indisputed master race forever?

>>52347241
I had better luck, my LRC decimated Elysian Drop Troops when I used it last. Provided the perfect transport for that 'The Relic' mission too.

>>52347245
Shooting in and out of combat would be easily balanced if it were some Unique Character's Warlord Trait, similar to how Karamazov can order an airstrike on his own dudes.

Just make it some new asshole IG general that gives no fucks about his dudes.

>>52347015
>>52346955
>literally samefagging
You're the original source of the quote, innocent piggies don't squeel this much.

>>52347236
Christ Chan is NOT a nazi, Fucking educate yourself.

>>52347236
Your mother will die and all she'll have from you are shitty hallmark cards and disappointment in your plastic doll fetish, take her out and make her feel loved for once.

>>52347260
>Shooting in and out of combat
>and out
That's the part that doesn't work.

Having some exceptionally callous races able to shoot into combat with their own dudes, like Chaos, Tyranids and IG, might be fine.

>>52347262
Ignoring the fact that I didn't even participate in any of that thread after this retarded shitflinging started, it still doesn't change the fact that you were blantantly copy-pasting posts from then only to piss people off and keep the argument going.

>>52347256
>send in 60 point squads of guard to hold enemies in place
>unload basilisk rounds into combat and wipe out 200 point squads of marines/elites
>I guess this would actually be tougher with orks cause they're bs 2
>still something orks would do

>>52347236
>become wholesome, well balanced
>You're a NAZI
>REEEEEE
This was super cringe desu

>>52347287

Mechanically, SOB are the army that would like it most (And not be OP as fuck with it like Tau). Very short range shooting army without much melee ability.

>>52347302
hmm. Thinking about it, flavorwise I can kind of see them making it work too. "Our faith in the Emperor is strong, he will protect our Sisters and guide our weapons to hit the enemies in their midst - have no fear, open fire!"

>>52347315
>oh god what have we done
>we killed our sisters
>meh, we're just a bunch of orphans anyways

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>Literally 3 rules have been teased of a complete re-work and people are speculating on army balance

>>52347153
Personally
>Guard - 4
>Marines - 5
>Eldar - 6

But I don't play AOS, so don't know what the avg Move is for them.

>>52347292
Well ork would of course only be able to center their pieplates over their own model in a ongoing combat, actually only those not in base to base contact with the enemy, so only the second row. Thats how you make fun studd

>>52347332
All that wasted power armour, the Ecclesiarchy was a mistake. Thanks Lorgar.

>>52347292

A good general idea would be to make it so that it can't be done with blast/template weapons (As those will hit your own guys for sure) and toss the 'Shooting through a unit' cover save on the enemy unit.

Honestly, my preferred way of doing it is that you can shoot at Monsterous Creatures/Vehicles that are in melee. Mechanically it lets you put anti-tank weapons into a walker that's tearing up infantry that can't fight back and fluffwise, they are that much bigger a target than everyone else.

>>52347315

I'd go with a bit of a different way. The SOB are always described in fluff as coordinated to an almost unnatural degree, like cogs in a single machine. The SOB are coordinated enough that they can easily shoot into combat without risking hitting allies (Still the cover save as you need to abort shots sometimes)

>>52347342
base move used to be 4" back in 2nd ed iirc, but the game gotten steadily faster since then

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>>52347292
Well ork would of course only be able to center their pieplates over their own model in a ongoing combat, actually only those not in base to base contact with the enemy, so only the second row. Thats how you make the game fun

>>52347332
The 3rd edition rulebook had a small bit of fluff (Rhino section if I remember correctly) where Sisters would out right leave to die Sisters, within saving distance in order to make sure the missing was complete.

They even explain why, it was something like "we could save them, but risk perishing ourself and fail the mission, so we endure and move on"

>>52347214
I quoted another anon who said that.

>>52347211
>Crusader-chan
>Reclaiming Terra
Perfection.

>>52347288
>Reee you're my arch nemesis from the last thread! I shan't be reminded of the roast of my deeply held beliefs!
>Actually anyone can copy and paste retard
>Reee samefag samefag!
>[you are here] you sh-shouldn't do that anon
>I have never even posted in tg before

Groggies ladies and gentlemen, always hoping to play pretend. For a second did you feel like Space Marine Sigmar attacking his hated enemy, Xenos?

>>52347342
I think 5" is the average
4" being slow infantry like dwarves and plague beaers
6" being fast stuff
7" being really fast infantry like daemonettes
Mounted and flying units go around 10-14" on average

>>52347342
I would say 6 for Guard and marines, going as low as 4 for things like Centurions and as high as 9 for things like Hormagaunts.

>>52347356
I remember reading they where almost Emperor's Children or IF level of perfect when doing war. To the point of unnatural.

>>52347153
>SoB 5
Fixes. SoB are just regular humans in armor that lets them not break their arms when firing a bolter. You need the Black Carapace to interface flawlessly.

>>52347359
That's why I used 4" as Avg.
Think that was also the human speed in WHFB too.

>>52347128
>he didn't physically create her body.
Unlike Space Marines

>>52347342

So more or less the same. I grabbed 5 as a base purely because it's close to what the base movement is now.

I'd personally like to see a bit of separation even within armies without going all the way to jump pack speed. So a scout unit might be a tad faster than the baseline for example.

>>52347405
No they should drop guard to lower than 6 if we're getting AoS style move values.

>>52347409

Exoskeleton stuff tends to make you faster as it's self-supporting.

anyone got that 2nd place lvo list with the dark angels and a wolfkin formation?

>>52347409

I'd put Seraphim as faster than Assault Marines. They are pretty consistently shown as 'Almost flight' rather than 'Unweildy jumps' like Assault Marines.

>>52347420
I'd argue that footslogging infantry have enough problems getting places without things being even slower. Granted, I don't play guard, so I'm not sure how much that matters than them.

>>52347456
Maybe, but there are a lot of jump infantry that are actually capable of flight, even more than Swooping Hawks which are at 18 for some reason.

>>52347458
its probably also assumed that moving to move values means that "running" is just "move twice as fast", so infantry, if trying to go places, should, on average, be faster.

>>52347492
If this change meant running became less random, then I could also get behind that. It also depends how they handle difficult terrain.

>>52347492
But then running prevents shooting in 40k.
So ranged vs melee will end up gunline vs pile of corpses.

>>52347456
Powered vaults as opposed to flight, hard to call to be honest. Marines use it as a means to close the distance rather than a platform to fight from.

>>52347527
if your shooting, you dont really want to be advancing up the board anyway, so thats a moot point?
if your melee-ing, then running is, on average, faster, and your not really shooting anyway?

Should I bring Orks or blood angels to my game tomorrow?
Orks are more interesting but I've played them much more.

>>52347456
>I'd put Seraphim as faster than Assault Marines.

I wouldn't.
They've got tiny jump packs not the huge beats Marines have.

>>52347434
Makes you faster than some poor sod of a guardsman who actually has to carry the weight of his armour and equipment.

Doesn't neccesarily mean it enhances your strength or speed beyond regular human capabilities.

I always imagined Sisters basically being the strength equivilent of an extremely large and heavily built guardsman in their armour. Peak human, but not superhuman in the same way the Astartes are.

>>52347559
listen to your heart? what does it say?

>>52347570

>Makes you faster than some poor sod of a guardsman who actually has to carry the weight of his armour and equipment.

So a single point faster on the TT?

>>52347577
We're supposed to be doing kill teams and I've got these shiny new marines.
But
I suddenly wanna bust out my Ork army again, my marine army isn't finish so if anyone wants a regular game I can't with the blood angels.

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>>52345633
>Female space marines
Foxy Brown Battalion when?

>>52347560
Don't have the fuckheug armour or super-high density bone/musculature of Marines either though.

Some of the art seems to suggest they're capable of true flight rather than the enhanced jumping the Marines seem to have.

>>52347570
I always looked at it like this

>guard are your average human
>sisters are the best of the best for women
>veteran guard are the best of the best for men
>marines are the angels of death, and far ahead of everything else in speed, strength, and endurance

Is it possible to do Space Wolves without any actual wolf models? I like the old space viking thing with all the Wolfy wolf wolf shit.

>>52347596
if the marines are shiny then play with them.

shiny stuff the best.

>>52347614
what are you gonna use for thunderwolf m8?

>>52347605

Sisters are in an odd place with a lot of stuff. They are this weird mix of 'Imperial Eldar Units' and 'Cheaper Marine Units'. Like Seraphim being more or less Imperial Swooping Hawks or Death Cultists being the smaller cousins of Howling Banshees.

>>52347614
yeah.

blood claws, skyclaws, grey hunters in razorbacks with long fang support play well.

>>52347629
Thanks m8, I will.

>>52347636
Longboats with dreadnought legs.

>>52347609
>veteran guard are the best of the best for men
Storm Troopers are. Barring a few Commissars and non-combat roles, Storm Troopers and Sisters of Battle are the boys and girls of the Schola Progenium.

>>52347614
Possible, but a LOT weaker.

>>52347614
It is. You can even avoid having fur and wolf skulls on everything if you go for older MK IV or III style armor.

The main issue is that you will be lacking a lot of their awesome melee options in the form of Thunderwolf Cavalry and Wulfen. For casual games though, you can build them like a more typical space marine army and do fine.

>>52347647
Honestly sisters would make a lot more sense if we had female guard to compare them to. You look at SoB and guard and the stats don't show much of a difference, but if you had str 2 female guard it would make more sense

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>>52347585
I think it's a case of how big a difference does a single point make?

Marines are supposed to be able to basically tear humans apart like wet paper, but they're only 1 pt of Strength higher than guardsmen, so the gap between S3 and S4 represents a lot. Likewise, S3 represents everything from 'weedy conscript who can't do 10 press ups' all the way to 'unbelievably ripped Catachan who bench presses 400kg on his rest days'.

I don't know whether I'd imagine sisters as being somewhere between marines and guard in speed. I always saw them more towards the human end of the spectrum than the utterly transhuman marines.

They don't have the enhanced bodies of marines, so any strength enhancement is going to be purely the power armour, and if it's capable of boosting strength that much, it kinda makes the marine's genetic enhancements less important.

>>52347636
>>52347649
>>52347664
>>52347666

Thanks for the replies lads. I only really play casual games anyway so that sounds good.

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>>52347232
>tfw you're the least obese champion of 40k

>>52347653
Where the fuck are you gonna get a marine scaled long boat? Shit if you link me I'll buy one and make a fucking stormwolf alternative.

>>52347666
For wulfen, just paint up 30k termies 30k wolves colors, give them frost claws, fluff them out as rescued members of 13th company.

>>52347605
>Don't have the fuckheug armour

They don't have powerful looking jump packs either.
And jump packs are what they are, they're not capable of flight.

>>52347691
Human sexual dimorphism isn't drastic enough to warrant S2 female guardswomen.

S2 is a fucking 3ft tall grot.

>>52347658
I suppose yea, I sort of lump vets in with special ops as far as physical prowess goes. The only difference between a Navy seal and a 10 year vet is the seal has seal training

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>>52347731
>they're not capable of flight.

>>52347658
Actually Sisters are a small percentage of females in a Schola.

>>52347733
3 ft grot should be str 1. But I could also see a fit grot taking down your average girl

>>52347691
S2 are grots and the physically sick and weak Wyrdvane Psykers.

S3 is pretty much the entire range of human strength.

>>52347733
>>52347773
Screw you, if I roll a 12 my Grot is a S:D Vortex!

>>52347751
They're not that's when they were air dropped in.

>>52347709

It's the wonders of 40ks system not being very good at judging differences smaller than 'Human vs Ogre'.

I'd lean towards 'Faster than guard' myself BUT either could be argued because it's a single point and marine speed has never been consistent either.

The SOB are one of those factions that really suffers from the 10 point scale 40k uses. As the system simply doesn't have the ability to separate between 'Human' and 'Space Marine' so you need to pick which way you round.

I'd personally round SOB up to marine in mov and init and down to human in strength and toughness but I'll admit that's an imprecise system.

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>>52347691
S2

>>52347773
A grot could take down a civilian without trouble, but if you're in the guard you've undergone enough training for that to not happen.

You'd be better off scaling things down so grots were strength one, guard were strength 2, Sisters, Orks, and Catachans were strength 3, and marines were strength 4.

The rules aren't too great at comparing how strong things should be.

>>52347795
The strength of your units is now determined by your deadlift limit.

>>52347691
Female guard are just guard. The aren't going to recruit female regiments from worlds with dainty women. You get stuff like the Amazons of the Xenonians, or thick russian girls from Valhalla. Yes they should be weaker than Catachans probably, but the system is too granular for that.

>>52347816
She's clearly sororitas and has earned her str 3

>>52347857
That's basically the thing. Sisters are as strong as Catachans on the tabletop, but both of them are also as strong as a Tau for some reason.

>>52347882

Tau are a faction I'd honestly see as better at Str 2. It would both make the suits more notable (As they are comparatively even stronger) and give some units actually inside a rather untouched strength range in 40k. After all, the Tau are a small race that gets most of the heavy work done for them by robots.

Orks should be S2 to represent their weak fungoid muscle and balance their T4

>>52347967

Str 3/T4 works fine for them.

Really, more units should be uneven in Str/T. So few units have separate values that the stats being separate only matters when you hit monstrous creatures.

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I already have sisters of silence from the BoP box, and aparently the new box added new rules and costs for these girls.

Could anyone tell me what the rules are for the Vigilator Squad? I can't find an online version of the SoS "book" and there are only vague images to be found, which might set them at 65 points for 5.


Also, is weapon mixxing out of the window in this version of the SoS?


Pic urelated but she hates witches too.

>>52346292
Jese, well that's a tad harsh.

>>52347915

Thing is, Fire Warriors are explicitly the big buff guys bred for war. Fire Warriors are Tau Catachans.

>>52347990
?? There are tons of units with different values.

>>52345762
>>52345762
>>52345762
migrate here

>>52348354
Yeah, racial default tend to be matched, aside from Orks. But there are lots of specialist with different stats. Hybrid Acolytes, Ogryn, Plague Marines, Striking Scorpions, Wracks, Mandrakes, all sorts of Bikes, etc.

>>52345769
THICC