/WFG/ Warhammer Fantasy General

>>52329623

> I don't know who's Slanning who!

>>52331391
Silly kneecaps.

>>52331726

It's the rule of cool.

If you kneed somebody in the groin with the right one he'd know about it.

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>>52332970
Walking? Like a peasant?

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>>52332993
Oh, those guys aren't actually Bretonnian. They're a very very old Regiment of Reknown, made back in 1984. Though I suppose if they were brought into the newer fluff, they'd probably be Bretonnian.

>The island outpost of Fyrus seemed a good place for the monks of the holy order of Saint Origo to build a monastery. True - Fyrus did lie but a dozen miles from the coasts of Araby, it was the birth place of the revered Mullah Aklan'd and its harbours did control the main east-west trade route; but the Brothers of the Holy Order of Saint Origo decided Fyrus would make an ideal place to rest and meditate. They started by kicking out all of the natives and building a huge fortress. This they decided to call the 'Holy Monastery of the Divine Origo.'
>When the good brothers found their prayer disturbed by Arabian pirates and the continued complaints of the disinherited they reacted in the only way they knew how. They built fleets, wiped the waterways clean of eastern ships, and fired every Arabian port within a hundred miles. For the purposes of the crusade the Grand Master of the Order designed the special uniform and banner which is illustrated here.
>The Knights returned to a life of peace and contemplation, disturbed only by annual excursions burning, looting and destroying all along the coasts of heathendom. After a few years they were shaken from their solitude by vast armies of Easterners, who lay seige to, and eventually destroyed, the monastery. Many of the Knights were slain in this unprevoked attack but a large company escaped. Unde their new Grand Master, Sir John Tyrweld, and aided by the Order's Champion Donna Don Domingio, the Order reformed in the West.
>From then on the company crusaded extensively against the enemies of all right thinking folk and gained a considerable reputation from their enemies. Amongst the Goblins they became renowned as 'The Frothers', whilst the Easterners dubbed Sir John 'The Foaming One'.

https://comingsoon.totalwar.com/

Lustria Nowstria

>>52333176
Lizardmen before Skaven? Wtf

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>>52333270

CA confirmed for good taste

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I need stories, stories on dragons
>where did ancalagon come from?
>how did he die?
>is he really the island of ulthuan?
>what do the dwarfs refer to when talking about the father of dragon they have supposedly killed?

>Warhammer rulebook 3rd edition: pygmies are human
>White Dwarf 100: pygmies are alien
I'm confuse, are humans genetically modified pygmies or what?

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>>52333333
>>52333333
>>52333333
Blessed be Blep, spawn of Kek and tongue of truth

>>52333270
>What is Clan pestilens?

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>>52333270

When will they learn?

>>52331950
Nice.

>>52332970
NI!

>>52331391
Quick question. I heard that in previous editions, armor would affect the stats of the wearer. Could any oldfags explain how that worked to me?

>>52332970

Doesn't foundry miniatures still sell those? Or models that are very similar from the 80's Citadel range.

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Here's an old map I made for WHFB.

I edited over a WHFB Risk map. It's super detailed by was made in MS paint

>>52333270
I can easily see the main "good" faction in this being Lizardmen, and the main "bad" being Skaven who started invading

>>52337090

Cool.

>>52337101

Surely it'll be High Elves no?

>>52333270
I feel like Skaven are gonna get worked in with some wider Under-Empire update or DLC. They'll have to create a map underneath the current game map to get them to work - there's not enough for them to work with on the surface. They'll probably also include Orcs and Goblins, as well as Dwarves, to flush this underground world out - as long as occasional members of other factions that might wander down.

Has anyone tried Runewars here?

Seems like the sickly child of the games that are trying to pick up the Fantasy market. I never really hear much about it which is weird considering FFG are backing it.

>>52338370

Just to clarify I'm obviously talking about the miniatures game, there's apparently a board game (wasn't it a D&D competitor also way back?).

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Why the fuck did the stupid rats and lizards get the Total War treatment first?! Why isn't it the true Dawi?!

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>>52333333
random numbers confirm that lizards are indeed the best taste

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>>52338442

Your hat must be at least this small to ride this game.

I wonder how that Aussie Dwarf player is doing.

Did he get his Dwarfs?
Did his friends get their Warhammer armies out?

We may never know...

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>>52337090
Are the ogre kingdoms really that far away?

>>52338577

I think most of the ones in the Old World are mercenaries who have migrated.

But yeah they're Eastern, hence their Mongolian appearance.

>>52337101
could be dark elves or chaos, too

>>52331793
Alas, Harry only fights skellingtons who cannot feel it, and don't even have those parts anymore.

>>52333053
I miss old names.

>>52333333
Old Ones be praised! Summon the priests, we have a numberspawning of unprecedented glory.

>>52333270
Rumors had it this will be an expansion, not a DLC right? So is to be expected there will be more than one new race

>>52333367
w-what?

>>52339084
yeah, they're done with DLC

>>52333176
thread theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHalXjs0cDA

>>52336427
They sell them under 'war of the barons' or something like that.

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>>52341880
They might do some small DLC things, but not for a while. At best they might slap some stuff onto Bretonnia, like Repanse de Lyonnesse or Bohemond Beastslayer, maybe if for some reason they love me personally Tristram le Troubadour.

>>52343894
I want Lahmians, Blood Dragons, Strigoi, and Necrarchs DLC.

I would pay full expansion price for that.

What's the best WFRP for fluff?

>>52344206
Can't you already have Strigoi lords?

So I love the fluff but when I saw a few games recently at the lgs it just looked liked guys were lining up armies across the board and going straight at each other. Is there much strategy in this game, or does it all take place in list building?

>>52344251
Yeah, but they're Von Carsteins for some reason.

>>52344340
That was probably Age of Sigmar you were seeing. Different game, a successor we don't like very much.

Think of it like the Mass Effect 3 of Warhammer Fantasy. Except the entire game is as bad as the ending, and gameplay is like being stuck in the Mako.

I'm reading though the Dark Elf fluff, and is Malekith actually retarded? All he seems to do is fuck up

>>52344340
8th edition has 0 strategy. Walk straight and moshpit.
7th is a bit better but the game is won or lost at listbuilding anyway
6th is all about manoeuvring

AoS is even worse than 8th edition in that regard

>>52344606
>>52344753
No, they said it was the ninth age continuation thing of warhammer. Does any version of the game have units racing across the board for position or is it slower than that?

I'm kinda confused, are shapechangers and weres the same thing or not?

>>52344682
Basically yes.

The early lore has him as an insane Roman Emperor, a product of Aenarion's Curse combined with growing up in the same kind of torture orgy court that created Slaanesh in 40k, and Morathi who was a Slaanesh worshiper that was molesting him.

In the later apologetic lore, Asuryan was a massive prick who just wanted an asshole as the eternal king of all Elves but Tzeentch manipulated him into first not forcing his way to become king while he was eligable and having the evils of democracy exist instead, and then after getting a vision of theEnd Times forcing his way into being king when he was unfit and Asuryan being too much of a dick to fix things. Then him trying to take his rightful throne while caring for his senile hedonistic mother all while Tzeentch laughed from the Warp.

The later lore sucks.

>>52345284
Most versions.

The only reason armies would just line up and shoot is if the opponents are some combination of Dwarfs, Empire, Tomb Kings, or Wood Elves and the participants intentionally wanted to gunline.

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Hey guys, look what I found.

It's the only picture of a Warhammer manfish!

>>52344588
Also Mousilion, so...I don't know.

You could probably give them a spot in the Badlands, I suppose. But I'm not sure what you'd do with other bloodlines.

>>52345374
Would it be unfair to call Malekith Caracalla, perhaps Commodus or Caligula?

>>52346769
Strigoi get Mourkain, which would be east of Karaz-a-Karak I think. You'd add them with Ogres. Neferata has the Silver Pinnacle, a Dwarf Hold she took over somewhere, you could probably stick her in the game already.

The hard ones are Necrarchs and Blood Dragons. BDs are nomadic, aside from the singular keep they have, and Necrarchs are fucking everywhere and only unite for Nagash.

>>52345390

Orcs, skaven and empire can also pull off impressive gunlines

>>52346836
Yes. Malekith has atleast some semblence of competent governance. To my knowledge Malekith isn't running around larping as a diety or scorn anything that isn't a part of the military.

>>52337090
What cracks me up is that the Darklands are a huge pile of FUCKING NOTHING, as big as the old world.

>>52347447
You could just give Blood Dragons that keep, it would be good enough.

Worst case scenario they could be wandering armies like Beastmen. I feel like that's an interesting mechanic, and could be a fun way to handle mercenaries from Tilea or something.

>>52347736
I don't think OnG or Skaven can go almost entirely gunline though. Skaven do have a damn fine one though, and I actually really live the idea of them shooting it out with Dwarfs and Night Gobbos.

>>52348023
Yeah, Beastmen mechanics for BD works.

Unlike the others though world domination isn't their goal. I almost feel like their win objectives is just wiping out Chaos and greenskins as well as Abhorash and Harkon's questline.

I suppose when Tomb Kings are added you just make Necrachs part of Nagash's faction.

>>52348115

O&G gunline is one of their most competitive lists.

They can field an huge horde of goblins with poisonous attacks, 6 bolt throwers, 4 goblin lobba and 4 stone lobba.

And they keep their fun toys in melee too!

>>52348172
Nice.

So here's a question. Do greenskins understand sex and reproduction?

Based on books and army books they not only seem to actually grasp familial bonds, mates, and offspring, but actually breed boars, wolves, wyverns, and spiders. Compared to 40k where Orks don't understand it at all and only breed Squigs, this seems strange.

Goblins also refer to each other as brothers and Skarsnik seems to both love and mourn the death of Gobbla.

None of those fit the idea of fungus apes. Greenskins understand positive emotion more than Skaven and Beastmen even. If anything, their only fault seems to be having no loyalty whatsoever other than fear.

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>>52348276
They also seem to have a twisted sense of humor, especially towards captured humans, and are totally fine with cannibalism.

>>52348276
>Compared to 40k where Orks don't understand it at all and only breed Squigs

But they don't. Feral Orks and Snakebites breed all sorts of animals including boars.

>>52347447
Silver Pinnacle is near Peak Pass, so right by Karak Kadrin. You could probably fudge that in somewhere when the map expands to cover the Dark Lands.

Melkhior's Tower is in southern Ostermark.

>>52337101
>>52337878
>>52339084

The game is a new game, so you can expect 4 faction like the previous one

It's probably HE, DE, lizards and skaven, with a pre-order DLC like clan Pestilens or something

People who own the first game will probably get a old worlder skaven faction like Mors or Moulder with 1 LL

>>52349019
It isn't a new game.

There's a midpoint between new game and DLC that kids today only know of from Warcraft and Starcraft called "expansions".

>>52349053
So basically like AoE2 and the Conquerer's Expansion?

>>52333270

I think the reason is a desire to do a big expansion that opens up the map. The timing is right as the game has been out a long time how. You really can't do Lustria with out lizardmen. That said, Skaven can't be far behind.

>>52350096
They'll probably set up Skaven as one of the big enemies of Lizardmen, since that's how things are in the lore. It would be boring if Lustria was nothing but lizardmen tribes from coast to coast.

>>52350111
>It would be boring if Lustria was nothing but lizardmen tribes
norscan tribes and empire explorers are basically shoe-ins

>>52350198
There's the Vampire Coast too.
Dark Elves have a fair amount of contact with Chaos, so they're fine. No idea how they're going to challenge High Elves though.
Maybe the occasional Orc flotilla a la Grom the Paunch.

>>52344224
Anyone?

>>52350286
High Elves have some fortress in the south of Naggaroth - could be a way to give them more contact with Chaos, or they could redirect a Skaeling fleet there, since they're already travelling across the Sea of Claws to attack Bretonnia.

So far one of the flaws of Total Warhammer is that it can't quite encompass the feel the setting has of 'everyone is fighting everyone all the time.'

>>52350864
Best in what way?
2nd edition probably has the most material available for it, if that's what you want.

>>52350903
Well the setting is pretty different in each, right? Which one, in your opinion, is richer and more interesting?

>>52351011
1st edition is much more low-key. A large part of the setting was undeveloped at that point, which could be a pro or a con depending on your perspective. A lot of familiar Warhammer tropes haven't been cemented. There are gnomes and chaos goblins. The writers had a better grasp of history.

2nd edition is much more familiar to a modern fan of Warhammer. It's a bit more grimdark. The Storm of Chaos is assumed to have happened, which changes the feel of the northern provinces significantly. There's a lot more material to draw on.

3rd edition is similar to 2nd except the Storm of Chaos has been retconned.

Personally I favour a blend, taking the best bits from each. Lower-key, like first edition but set in 2522-3 and without the Storm of Chaos.

>>52351299
Thanks a lot. Got a lot of reading ahead of me.

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>>52348338
>'ee claimed 'ee wuz just sleepin'... but that lot is all liars

>>52351299
What do you mean by low-key? Like it was more focused on little things, rather than big things?

>>52349852
Yep.

>>52350198
>>52350286
Dwarfs had a settlement lead by a mad engineer who invented internal combustion and became immune to all poison because he's been shot so much by Skink darts.

Just started Warhammer Fantasy and I got a question about kits. Is the Saurus Guard kit the exact same kit as the old Temple Guard kit? Am I getting the exact same sculpts?

>>52351681
Yes, though it's got 15 models instead of 10

I think the guard/warrior boxes were actually price cuts as well. Shame about the round bases, though.

>>52351847
Thanks for the info. I have a particular ascetic in mind so I wanted to make sure. And yeah, it sucks about the bases, but I've got plenty of square ones from other things.

>>52351587
Yes. The threat of chaos is more focused on cults and mutants in the woods than invading armies from the north. Karl Franz does not ride a griffon. Magic is the realm of individual wizards and their apprentices rather than colleges and patriarchs. That kind of thing.

>>52351907
What, a Franciscan? Or like a Fakir?

>>52353007
>What, a Franciscan? Or like a Fakir?
My money's on Yogi.

>>52353090
I don't think the Wood Elves woud like that very much, Yogi.

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New Deathroller is actually kinda nice. Especially given how shit the rest of the Dwarf team looked.

So what was the "hidden civilisation" in the underworld sea meant to be? A nod to fishmen?

>>52345799
go to bed marius.

non-TB player here, can I just ask what is Lizardmen weakness on the TB?

They have extremely powerful magic, and from what iv seen some of the toughest units around, so where are they lacking? How do they often lose?

>>52349053
>>52349852

it's a stand alone expansion.
Literally what relic has been doing since dawn of war 1.

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>>52357024
I don't know if it's a standalone expansion or not, so it's hard to argue with you on that. But the fact that the borders of the campaign-map are so ill defined, and seem to leave room for addition, makes me think they'll be combined somehow.

Besides, why would you want are essentially two halves of a whole Warhammer Fantasy game?

>>52351907
Careful, the bases on sauruses are 25mm

>>52357076
Not him but this is already confirmed standalone expansion
http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Total_War:_WARHAMMER_Future_Content_Blog

We current have Total War; Old World. Total War; New World is about to be announced in 6 days which will have Liz/HE/DE/Skaven. Then we get the next $60 worth of DLC for that followed by the next standalone expansion which will likely be Chaos Daemons and reworked Chaos Warriors, followed by another $60 worth of DLC. In between that we will get all the other rulebook factions.

If you own just one of the standalones, all you can play is those factions related to that game. If you own all of them, you can play any of the factions. But its all still 1 map, its just which factions you can play as that is determined by what you own.

>>52357076

because last we know, CA hadn't actually figured out HOW to join the maps completely. CA left out map data and unused assets in rome 2, with a full Indian unit variations left in. The map in that game wasn't even complete in the east. All you have have are a bunch of empty space in the game.

It might as well be the same with warhammer.

CA has stated repeatedly in interviews that the games will be stand alones that will combine somehow into a bigger game.

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>>52357115
That seems like a weird way of doing things, considering you have to buy DLC and beat missions to get all the factions available to the Old World right now...

I get that the game is big, and the game world is big, and it was unlikely they could package them into one game at all. But it still feels like a shitty cash grab to me, since each game alone will be so expensive, and all the stuff I'd have to buy to get a more complete experience...

>>52357148
because inflation is a thing.
60 burgerbux today go a lot less far than 60 burgerbux when dark omen came out.

I personally have no interest in the beastmen and didn't purchase them, but it's fun to beat their asses on the campaign map.

>>52356541
>goblin going safely between the gap in the wheels
>gap in the wheels
>deathroller
>ROLLER
really GW ONE JOB

>>52344753
>kindly no AOS

KYS

>>52357148
No developer can make everything instantly

Compartmentalizing content is a good way to do quality control. At the end of the day if you dont like faction X you just dont buy them.

>>52357016
they don't have long range firepower for one and I remember having difficulty passing through high armour values, especially cavalry.

the ideal counter, bringing monsters, was difficult to pull off for the cost effectiveness and enemy artillery.

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>>52333333

At last

So is it a good option to take a mercenary unit of five kislev horse archers for a dwarven army in the 6th edition or would it be better a unit of winged lancers? (To give them a bit of cavarly flexibility/thematic allies)

>>52356872
Pretty much, according to Gav Thorpe

>>52335175
Depends on what you mean

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>woke up this morning
>feeling pretty okay
>remember there's no Warhammer Fantasy CRPG

So my players shat on skellies and zombies along with some other attractions, and one of them complained that "It's too heroic other than that is good." It rustled my jimmies a bit, because they had dice luck. How to prove to them it isn't without making them eat dust?

http://occultdetectives.tumblr.com/post/158809308517/i-want-to-know-what-happened-to-one-of-the

So, I guess Josh's answer is not canon?

It would be nice if it were true, though.

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>>52358127
>wake up
>finds out a warhammer hack and slash videogame set in the old world has just been announced
>it's going to be made by another literally who studio
I don't know how to feel

>>52358127
how about you make one m8

>>52359632
Vermintide ended up pretty good

>>52358512
>So, I guess Josh's answer is not canon?
who cares?

it's beautiful

>>52358389
Anyone?

>>52359758
I'd say Fear was always a good way to turn otherwise heroic pcs into cowering wrecks, but you were using undead anyway.

Maybe something with Terror? Wraiths?

>>52359812
Well wraiths are unkillable for them, maybe beside one thing

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>>52359687
I don't have the skills or the money.

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>>52359632
>hack and slash

One of my least favorite game genres.

Why do they taunt me?

>>52359687
Do you know any easy way to make a cheap sprites action game

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can somebody recommend me some good 28mm truescale/historical scale minis for muh 9th age eos army?
more specifically i am looking for some wizard characters and generals,priests and the like of hq/command units

all of my footslogging infantry are perry miniatures,and pretty much all of the heroic scale minis look warped and wierd next to them...
i was thinking maybe the gw hobbit and lotr ones?
pic related:perry+hobbit and lotr

>>52360654
Would this help you at all?

https://www.warmongerminiatures.com/collections/ex-citadel

>>52360154

Stop having shit taste.

Say I have a wargor in a unit of minotaurs, or a glade captain in a unit of treekin, or an orc/goblin boss in a unit of trolls
Magic missiles hit the unit, right? Can the character be targeted because of the different footprint or do they just hit the unit like usual?
I imagine everything just hits the big guys but making sure here

>>52360654
Avatars of war maybe? For characters.

>>52361037
>Tripfag
>Telling someone to stop having shit taste

How about you do a backflip from the roof son

>>52339084
There will be 3 games in total and this will be the second (Warhammer 2 if you will).
They also said that bretonnia is the last major dlc for the first game.

>>52361037
Hack and slash is almost as plebby as FPS.

>>52360983
they look way too unrealistic
>>52361056
maybe...but i am afraid they are heroic scale too

could somebody measure how tall the aow figures are exe to base?perry is exactly 28mm

>>52361163
eyes to base*

>>52361121
Spoken like a true scrub

>>52361408
>using "scrub" unironically

>>52361584
Yeah I guess you've heard it a lot

scrub

>>52361626
pathetic

>>52361626
How about you go back to the robot site fucker

>>52361640
>>52361664
you take this way too seriously

like scrubs

>>52361703
ebin meme bait ;ppppppppp

>>52361834
Not bait, I was just saying that

>>52361163
they may well be heroic scale actually

Which are the best magic lores for WFRP 2nd edition?

>>52344224
2e has the most coherent fluff, with clear throughlines and organization that makes it useful for actually playing a game. 1e has the classic 90's thing of way too much random unconnected details which drown the reader if they can't sift through for what matters.

>>52360654
Certain Reaper miniatures.
The new Pathfinder miniatures are also on the slender side. I don't know who's manifacturing them off the top of my head, but it's the old boxes, they come in transparent blisters.

>>52362596
Obviously Beasts. It's super OP, they should have nerfed it in RoS but instead they made it even better.

>>52357024
No, because they said all added races will be incorporated into the main campaign.

>>52358389
I'm a little drunk admittedly, but I am having a hard time understanding what you are trying to say.

>>52358512
Josh gave everything an affectionate send off, then GW slapped his dick and told him to call it all non-canon because Fantasy is done and they want you to play AoS and not be shitfagFantasycunts.

Which is why GW can go fuck itself.

>>52360654
Suck my kiss.

http://www.lead-adventure.com/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=43b291e0a09f0c9e36b5b30c70a6f629

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Did anyone ever feel sorry for the gnoblars? Fuck, snotlings in 40k have it better.

>>52365074
they are like a sad breed of goblin

I would like to read about ogres becoming affectionate and best friends with some of them sometimes

I know I should prime models off the sprues, but how should I do it if the model has some small parts that would be difficult to spray? Should I just prime the large parts when they're assembled while keeping the small parts connected to the sprue to make it easier? How would you do it?

>>52365537
Sub-assemblies are your friend. I even drill small holes in models and stick toothpicks up in 'em to paint sub-assemblies.

>>52365074
>Did anyone ever feel sorry for the gnoblars?
Skrag the Slaughterer did feel sorry for cooking a gnoblar once, read up on his lore.

Does anyone have a PDF of Kings of War: Clash of Kings? The new rules supplement?

>>52351681

Lizardmen did okay out of the move. I think they only lost a few characters. Everything else is just a re-box.

>>52359632

Who? what? where?

>>52366068

I asked this in alternative war-games and nobody had it there. It has a digital edition so someone somewhere must have it right?

>>52365537

I personally would not recommend priming models on the frame for two reasons.

1. How are you going to file away the mould lines?
2. Glue parts that have been sprayed will slightly weaken the bond.

I would assemble the model and then prime. The only exception is riles and shields, you may want to leave them off to speed up painting.

>>52360654
That's a really cool army. Really warms my cockles to see Warhammer live on in an unofficial context. This is what I'd imagine a Tilean army would look like.

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Games Workshop General Discord, a place for when the thread is dead or you want slightly faster paced chat!

https://discord.gg/Zeh7nhC

>>52369809
discords ruin threads

I have acquired the rights to Gotrek and Felix for a tv adaptation, don't ask me how. We will start with Skaven slayer. What are some things you would like to see in the series? Some things you would hate to see translated to TV? Tentatively thinking Starz network with Sam Raimi attached as show runner.

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>>52370071
image related

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Any T9A players here?

What's the best/worst way to kit out Savage Orcs?

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>>52369809
I will only go onto a discord when a thread is literally dead, or when I just want to chat with friends. A focused chat is suffocated, and a chat for a thread kills threads. Also, no anonymity, which is half of why I come onto 4chan anyway, why the hell do you think I would give that up just to be judged by neckbeards?

>>52370071
Making Ulrika not a shit in the GnF series and making the other two stories in her spinoff would be great.

>>52365074
Gnoblars had a more successful rebellion than the Grots did.

Unwashed Masses isn't a one-type deal, and they are allied with the Fimir.

>>52365510
If you look at the various Manslayer models it seems like they actually care for theirs to some degree.

>>52371274
Alone in a distant land with only the little morsel in the making that happened to be asleep in your grub-pouch when you wandered away to reminisce about the tribe with...

>>52370958
as in pre or post vampireslayer ulrika?

>>52371800
Ulrika pre-Vampire was irritating and was a typical attempt at a badass female who is pumped up as being great and given independence, but serves as nothing but a damsel in distress regardless and contributes nothing to the story otherwise.

Post was a decent character who got character development in her first book. Then she lost it and became a Mary Sue in the other two.

>>52371966
idk, I find her and Felix's relationship to feel pretty legit despite her lack of contribution. Have you ready her books? Anything of note to take from them? I havent gotten to reading them yet.

>>52372253
A lot of information about Vampires, its almost mandatory to understand how they function post-Vlad.

The first was really good, but the others were mediocre to bad depending on how forgiving you are of Playstation video game style writing.

>>52370946
No one is making you go to the discord, mate.

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>>52366068
This one ?

>>52331391

Hey guys, I'm up next week in a game against Demons of Caos, as skaven.

It's 4k against 4k.

What should I watch for? We're usuing the EU tourney limitations, so extreme cheese should be limited across the board

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>>52333270

I'm genuinely not trying to start a skub war. Please have mercy on my soul, oh oldfags.

Is it possible to play WHFB with round bases? I want to use the same models for AoS and WHFB, and I know squares can be used for either, I'm mostly just curious if it goes both ways

Sorry for violating OP rule #1 :^)

>>52373354
no

just use square bases for AoS since that rule set accommodates for it

>>52373354

Well, it can be done, lots of plaer had Demons on round bases magnetized to square trays (this was due to Demons having same units both on WHF and WH40k)

On monster and big stuff is not going to work though, and they look so damn silly on round ones

>>52373374
>>52373381

Alright thanks, I will just use squares then. I actually prefer how they look on most stuff anyway. I was just trying to be cheap since I have a shit ton of extra round bases left over from various projects/drunkenly deciding "of course I need 100 round infantry bases" etc. Thanks for the info.

>>52373354
the difficult part is that round bases generally end up occupying more space, for example you will end up using 25mm bases instead of 20x20mm bases; so a little more abstraction when presenting a movement tray is needed, for single model units like monster the best solution would be having marks on the base to remember you where the angles of the square base would be so that you can at least trace front arc and flanks.

>>52373492
I remember seeing some people who got around that by putting their models on 20 mm washers and then sticking magnets onto their square and round bases

>>52370071
hey can we talk about this? are you just spitballing ideas?

>>52373512

That's an interesting idea. In my case it won't work because I like making semi-scenic bases so once I pick one I'll be stuck with it basically. Unless I magnetized every model's feet lel. That seems like it would be near-impossible though. I guess I could just glue the magnets to the bottom of their feet and put holes in the bases but that sounds like a lot of effort when square bases work either way.

>>52373455
Well, you can use the round bases for Blood Bowl. Anything for that you probably won't be using in anything else.
All you need to do is use a stock model and stick pauldrons or paint on a jersey or something where you can show a number. Also remove most or all weapons.

>>52369809
Fuck your discord and yourself.

>>52370912
>dat azz

>>52373591
Talk away. How do you mean? We have a general idea and plan for the season if that's what youre asking

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>>52331391
I have the Harry the Hammer model from the 25th anniversary but haven't built it yet. Is there anything I can do with it for Sigmar or is it just for show now?

>>52370071
>Sam Raimi

I think the scene where Gotrek starts denying the Holocaust might be a bit too much for TV.

>>52375905
it was a story from another time and I think tv audiences will have to appreciate that

>>52370071
Don't get my hopes up for a TV show. I'll believe it when I see it.

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>>52333333

>>52333053
So... they're the guys from the FUUK forums then?

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why on earth is krell the coolest of the models. I don't even play undead as I'm an empire man through and through but I'm going to have to buy him and make him. perhaps I'll sneak him in as a spare greatsword or something.

>>52370071

Why start with the second book?

>>52373143

No experience with Demons. What are you bringing?

>>52373354

Not really, you could work out frontages. ie. 100mm front = 5 20mm models even if there's only 4 in a rank, but you still can't reliably work out which model is hitting which.

I would always go squares. You can play any system you want then.

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>>52333333
Quints confirm

>>52377053
He has all the best GW tropes in one model.
>Is a skelington
>Huge axe
>Horned helmet
>Mohawk
>Ornate shoulders
>Skulls on back-banner
And so on. He's like an embodiment of the warhammer aesthetic

>>52375905
THORGRIM DID NOTHING WRONG

>>52376035
prep your loins.

>>52377320
Second book is more coherent. Most of Trollslayer can be touched upon in flashbacks if need be. Skavenslayer is when the series finally started comprising themselves as full books.

>>52378500
Does that hold true for reading the series as well, or should people start reading with Trollslayer?

>>52378528
I would start with trollslayer personally, its just different from skavenslayer. Skavenslayer is written almosty 10 years later and William king seems to be a more mature author but trollslayer is still badass and lots of fun.

>>52378641
Where is the series? Can't find it

>>52378500
Are you going to make literal bearded dwarfs as actors?

>>52377354

Grey Seer with power scroll and 5++ (from the base manual)

Warlord on war litter with helm of discord, poisoned attacks, 5++ (from the skaven manual), shield and tail weapon

Warlord on war litter with weeping blade, armor of destiny and shield

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Engineer (mage 1°) with dispel scroll

Engineer (mage 1°) with doomrocket

Engineer with bronze globe

Chieftain BSB with Horned Rat, shield

Chieftain with Portent of Verminous Doom, enchanted shield, regenration 6+

Plague Priest with flail and 4++

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30 clanrat + ratling gun

40 stormvermin with musician, stendard bearer and flaming banner, plus doomflayer

40 slaves with shields and musician (3 of these)

5 rat darts (5 giant rats + packmaster)

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10 gutter runners with slings and poison (2 of these units)

10 jezzail (2 of these as well)

40 plague rats with plague banner

1 Hellpit Abomination

3 Cannons
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The 2 chieftain and warlord go into a single unit, which will try to smash into his greater demon. Verminous doom + Banner + Helm of discord means he has to succeed twice at a LD7 test to even attack.

I got jezzails and cannons to soften up both the greater demon and any other big multiwound model he fields (hellcannon, nurgle's beasts), and the gutter runners can both soften up big monster or wittle down any fast little unit he has

The plague priest and the monks are there to take care of basic troops.

Slaves and rat darts to tidy up and redirect anything menacing

>>52379603
To the pastebin with you.

Has anyone played WFRP 3e? Can it be played online, or are there too many props?

>>52380820
The link is not working

>>52380952
Baloney, I'm looking at it right now.

>8rnyAa1S
>line 8
>Black Library Books
>Gotrek and Felix

>>52365074
Why was 300th WD the best white Dwarf ever printed?

>>52377053
Alt universe End Times, where Vlad played the long game and became an Elector Count while Chaos invaded for 100 years after the death of Archaon?

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>>52375551
Savage Orcs have fantastic asses. I think that's why some anons want them to have females, making them spore apes is almost a waste of potential.

>>52376418
I love this webm

>>52381486
>Vlad played the long game and became an Elector Count
Heh

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>>52377053
The Wight King gives me an uncontrollable boner.

>>52370071
>What are some things you would like to see in the series?
The empire in its grotesque and great form and not just [random old times towns]

also occasional grimderp balancing the grimdark, joining the pov of enemies like the skaven once they are properly introduced as a misterious and serious threat just for a few moments may be cool.

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Why isn't the Forest of Arden sacred to Bretonnians, instead of Athel Loren? Or even the Forest of Chalons? Athel Loren is more mysterious and full of 'fay,' sure, but it's also full of Wood Elves. I don't know how Damsels get away with getting dragged there to be trained by the Fay Enchantress.

>>52382187
4/1,000 skulls.

>>52380892
Anybody?

>>52382688
Why would you want to play 3e?

>>52379930

> 3 cannons.

Holy Sigmar, that will cause some damage to someone.

Seems pretty good, I guess some people might want more slave spam but I personally hate that so I like this list.

I would just watch out for any Bloodcrushers he might have. They hit like a sledgehammer.

>>52377053
I use a head-swapped and bat filed down-version as a Chaos Lord.

>>52382705
Because it's the only one with dicepools. I hate the lack of a probability curve with d100s.

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>>52376418
I don't even play Lizardmen, but fuck I love these.

I've just realised something that really pissed me off.

Kholek Suneater has the same amount of armour as every other Shaggoth in Total War Warhammer because all the errata's got taken down for Age of Sigmar so CA didn't see that he was meant to have heavy armour in his rules but GW forgot to put it in the codex...

>>52384740
Fantasy doesn't have a codex.

But yeah, that sucks. Maybe they did it intentionally for balance?

So how do the editions work? The overall rules are on 8th edition; does that mean I can't effectively use the 6th edition Bretonnians? Could I use them, but they'd be way off in power level compared to other armies? Has there been minor updates for them that haven't warranted their own rulebooks, and if so, where could I find this?

Thanks for the answers, guys.

>>52384740

Kholek is already an unstoppable beast if he gets Ward protection. Does he really need more armor?

>>52384931
You HAVE to use 6e Brets in 8e because due to the clusterfuck of GW wanting to kill the setting it never got an update.

Brets were indeed underpowered as a result, but didn't suffer as badly as Beastmen did from the lack of updates. Hell, arguably not as bad as Tomb Kings which were supported with updates.

That being said, if you have an option to do so most of us would recommend playing the entire game in 6e. It was the last complete edition, and the most balanced.

>>52384991

No one at my LGS plays anything but Magic or 40k anyway so it would mainly be me, my girlfriend, and any friends I could rope into it. So it shouldn't be too hard to get everyone swinging on the 6e set anywho. What major changes were there from 6 to 8?

>>52384804
>Fantasy doesn't have a codex.
o-oh yeah... army book

And I doubt it, he's pretty shit in multiplayer and they've been trying really hard to do a complete rules translation, so I reckon they just missed it.

>>52384949
Only because he gets an innate ward save for not much reason.

I'd say it'd be better if that was changed to a really high magic resistance buff & he was given armour instead - probably with a health reduction as well.

>>52385058
7 and 8 rewarded hordes, requiring you to buy large groups of models while reducing importance of things like flanking.

Also, magic got fucking insane; a wizard miscasting makes you very likely to lose unless you're OnG and its one of your cheap Goblin Shamans, and a wizard could wipe out half your army by getting lucky.

If one of your peeps wants to play with models like the Skycutter or Nagash that came after 6e, just houserule them an equivalent. Its not really too hard since the major changes were in the core rules anyway.

So where did Gork and Mork come from? ET lore or regular lore.

If they came from greenskin belief, could you convince enough greenskins they're something else and as a result change G&M, which then changes greenskins as a whole?

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>>52386997
I don't know if it's ever explained.

The problem with trying to change them through changing greenskins is that brutal cunning and cunning brutality are the core of the greenskin psyche. Gork and Mork aren't avatars of some abstract concept, they're the entirety of what Orcs and Goblins are. It's not a feedback loop so much as it's the same thing, viewed from the material or immaterium.

At best the Gnoblars might be ignorant of the names of the gods, but they still follow the principles because it's how greenskin psychology works.

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So I went a bit autistic perhaps in trying to figure out how I want to paint and modify my Arachnarok.

I looked up their eye arrangement, and closest I can figure is that they are Pholcidae spiders.

Pholcidae are very unimpressive.
>Pholcidae, commonly known as cellar spiders, are a spider family in the suborder Araneomorphae. The family contains about 1500 species divided into about 80 genera.

>Some species, especially Pholcus phalangioides, are commonly called daddy long-legs spider, granddaddy long-legs spider, carpenter spider, daddy long-legger, or vibrating spider.

>Pholcids are found in every continent in the world except Antarctica where it is too cold for them to survive. They hang inverted in messy, irregular, tangled webs. These webs are constructed in dark and damp recesses, such as: caves, under rocks and loose bark, abandoned mammal burrows, and undisturbed areas in buildings, such as cellars (hence the common name "cellar spider"). However, Pholcids are also quite commonly found in warm, dry places, such as household windows and attics.

They freak out when something gets trapped in their web, hence "vibrating spider". They're also actually really useful because they ignore humans, but are aggressive as fuck towards other spiders and keep the populations of poisonous spiders in line.

So its strange that the super aggressive giant man-eating spiders from the forest are based on relatively "friendly" and useful tiny spiders that live in your house, but it makes sense that they ARE connected to mold considering where they are generally found.

>>52387122
Gnoblars don't follow Gork or Mork at all. They don't answer to them, go on WAAAGHs, aren't backstabbing, and value money and loyalty.

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>>52387217
>gnoblars
>not backstabbing
>value loyalty

>>52387278
They are absolutely loyal to Ogres, more loyal to them than any race in the setting to any other.

Greenskins only have loyalty based on mutual gain or fear and are still constantly backstabbing regardless.

>>52379877
fuck no. Halflings tho.....maybe

>>52387321
They are slaves who follow the biggest things around. It's the same thing as any other greenskin, except Gnoblars know they'll never be big'uns compared to Ogres so they focus their competitive nature against each other, with Ogres as the prize. They don't value loyalty so much as they want the protection that an Ogre master offers (a dubious shield, but better than being among other Gnoblars who will happily murder and eat you for a shiny rock or a chance to be two feet closer to the nearest Ogre).

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>>52331391
I made this homebrew for weapons and armor in warhammer fantasy. Any constructive criticism?

>>52387552
This is WFRP2e, yeah?

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>>52387987
Yep. It's based on this made by some anon but I edited it further.

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>>52385058

Pick yourself a up copy of the 6th edition rulebook and the 6th edition Ravening Horde book and you have the rules for 16 armies.

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>>52387122

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Is there a mega with all the books like the 40k general has?

>>52331391
Quick question regarding Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. It says in the Armory book that Ithilmar Mail and Gromril Plate is always best quality which reduces encumbrance by 50%. Does anyone know if the Encumberence values given for both sets takes that into account or not?

>>52389266
Books as in the novels not the rulebooks I mean to say.
I couldn't find any sizable torrents for Warhammer fantasy books, just a few dozen or so.

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>>52347975
There is plenty there, but you are to human to see it.

Fucking Dark Lands spews out gems from the ground like a geyser does water, and had entire planes littered with the bones of ancient monsters, who if they could walk again would destroy the world.

Besides that, and pigbarter town down south, the rest is either Chaos Dwarf land, or Greenskin country, with the most black orcs in the entire warhammer world located in the Dark Lands.

We have never seen a proper Dark Lands map, but it is divided like the old world, just again GW never pinpointed enough for us to make one, but if someone does(come on CA), it will be split up between the Chaos Dwarfs, Skaven, Vampire Counts(depending on time frame), Ogres, Greenskins tribes, (entire tribes of Hoggoblins, entire tribes of Black Orcs, etc), and if it adds dragon island, which is normally part of the Dark Lands sphere of influence, Lizardmen, with the Tomb Kings coming in(at one time the Tomb Kings controlled a small portion of the Dark Lands, and did battle with the Chaos Dwarfs, Settra will want that land back).

All of that, not counting the old world factions traveling the silk road.


In short, if you have ever played Age of Empires II, the Gold Rush map, its allot like that, but with pissed off evil Dwarfs trying to enslave you, and Ogres trying to eat you.

>>52347975
Its an empty semi-grassland of nothing where the HobGobbla Khan rides forth on swift wolves to bring merciless death to interlopers.


>while avoiding Black Orcs
>and Chaos Dwarves


But it is not a nice place anyway so best avoid it really.

>>52377704
you make a fair point anon

>>52381486
hahah, but he already is anon ;)

>>52383134
upload a picturo anon>?

>>52382187
damn good models anon, wight king and krell mvps

>>52385102
>really hard to do rules translation
t. pleb.

>>52382574
the fay are the wood elves.

>>52382574
Nice tits

>>52391376
This is not how you get the blessing.

>>52391394
Is she wet?

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So I've never role played at all in my life up until 2 weeks ago. I loved it and now crave more.

Is anyone looking to pick up a player?I'm not familiar with any programs or rp'ing online, but I'm a quick learner and willing to put in the effort. Also, as a plus, I'm not obnoxious or an attention whore either. I'm also at home and available most of the time.

I really want to get familiar enough with this so I can dm. Dm'ing seems cool because its like writing a story where your main characters literally have a mind of their own. Also like sending rats through a maze.

Skype is stevewinrar

Warhammer Fantasy is fun as fuck

>>52391468
roll20 and game finder is for you anon

>>52360654
check out the gripping beast and warlord catalogs.
They have priests and druids that could pass as wizards.
Perry is similar in scale to warlord, the major difference being that Perry minis have smaller hands usually. If you use old GW minis they'll probably look more similar to the Warlord stuff than Perry minis anyway.

As the other anon mentioned with warmonger minis , Foundry sells a lot of the old Perry stuff too, since it's the family business of mighty avenging chaos lord Brian Ansell.
The scale varies a bit from range to range though, so depends a bit on what you are looking for how well those would fit.

>>52375883
You should as in the appropriate thread.

How many species lived in the Warhammer world before the arrival of the Old Ones?

Dragons, Giants, Ogre Dragons, animals, dinosaurs... Am I missing something?

>>52392067
humanoids ancestors, trolls (they are not greenskins, are they?), elementals, fishmen

>>52392090
Do elementals really count as species? Aren't they just magic constructs? Also, is it sure that fishmen and trolls aren't just chaos creatures?

How much do we know about those humanoid ancestors? They were mentioned in Drachenfels, right?

>>52392152
it implies cavemen era, because drachenfels himself was one

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>>52389893
>>52390173
I'd love to see some more material for the Dark Lands. Even fan stuff.
Just some material to make it a little more nuanced than 'greenskins and chaos dwarfs errywhere'.

Pigbarter's good for that, and the old fluff had the Kislevite Wheatlands in the north.
The Ivory Road Journal was honestly one of the best White Dwarf articles there ever was.

>>52392067
Thundertusks are mentioned specifically.

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>>52389266
Read.

The.

OP.

>>52391999
Wouldn't Ansell and Priestly be Chaos Gods?

>>52392067
Primitive Dwarfs, humans, Elves, Giants, and Halflings.

Old Ones tweaked Warhammer races and gave them gifts, not created them like Warcraft Titans.

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>>52393466

>>52380892
Bumping this question again: Has anyone played WFRP 3e?

>>52393613
This guy lead the golden age of Warhammer and truly understood the game...

Actually, the old mugshot of any GW dramatis personae is lulzy. Thorpe just looked like the roadie to an 80's metal band.

>>52389782

There are a few in the Mega but they tend to only be digital books from the past few years.

Currently no 100% complete archive exists.

I'm currently thinking about hunting some down and scanning them. We have a list of every book published.

Ruglud's Orcs actually read and wrote enough to keep a journal of their adventures.

But if a greenskin were to learn a written language, which would it be? Khazalid, Empire language/German, Elf? It can't be their own because other races coukd read that account.

>>52394217

I have not but why do you ask?

>>52394251
What do you know is missing? I have a small collection of older material and a scanner.

I know there's White Dwarfs that /tg/ can't find too.

>>52394265

I doubt any Dwarf would share Khazalid with any Greenskin, they keep it secret from their closest allies never mind their old enemy.

>>52394265
I doubt that orc pictograms are so complicated that an Empire scholar couldn't decipher them.

>>52394265
Feel like they would get the most out of Khazalid. Not only can it make it easier inhabitating their mountains, but it would also spite dwarves pretty hard. What writing do Chaos Dwarves use? It could help them in this regard, too.

>>52394283

Well, I'm on my phone atm. but off the top of my head we have all the end times stuff, all Gotrek and Felix and all the grudge novels.

There is a Mega with the novels in at the top.

>>52394265
Ruglud's are mercenaries, so Tilean probably.

>>52394271
I was thinking of giving it a try but it looks like it might be a crazy amount of work to play online. Before I start I wanted to know if it's even possible to run without all the props.

>>52394283

If you could scan those novels anon you would be forever remembered as Sigmar's finest.

>>52394391

Well, people have done it in the past. There was a group, The Old World League, who ran online sessions of 3rd edition.

>>52394522
Ah, thank you.

>>52392090
I think trolls are creatures of Chaos - a lot of monsters and mounts, like hippogryphs and griffons, were created because Chaos energies.

>>52394315
Could be learned from torturing Chaos Dwarfs?

>>52394315
No, its specifically stated they learned to write and kept a journal. Just not what language it was.

See, I have some of those minis and wanted to put some writing on the BSB.

>>52394334
>>52394372
So Khazalid or Tilean.

Do Tileans use our alphabet?

>>52395045
Creatures of Chaos are aligned to Chaos.

Things created by Chaos energies that are not aligned with Chaos are magical creatures, like Phoenixes and White Lions.

>>52395426
Bad phrasing aside, they wouldn't have existed before the arrival of the Old Ones, since Chaos came after them.

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>>52393613

That photo is both everything I love about Warhammer and cringey as fuck at the same time.

>>52343894
Nah Bretonnia got 3 playable factions already. They need to give us toddbringer and add another empire faction

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>>52395583

Leitdorf please.

>>52394283
I'd really appreciate it if you would scan them as well like >>52394471
said

>>52382574
>ywn have some hot mystical blonde chick emerge from a lake during the night and give you a bitching sword

>>52395583

Have they revealed who the 'Old Friend' was for TW:W yet?

>>52395703
Which ones though?

Does anyone have a list of what we don't have? I got the Battle For Skull Pass book recently.

>>52395756
Isabella, right?

>>52395832

Oh was it, she's more than a friend though really.

>>52395808
I'd be more than happy to compare to what we have and don't have but it looks like kickassunblock is down at the moment and I don't have a screen shot or anything to go off of.
Hopefully it'll be back up after i'm done with work.

>>52395808

The list for what we're missing would be too large, here's what we do have.

Chaos
All 3 Slaves to Darkness
Blood for the Blood God
Riders of the Dead
Palace of the Plague Lord

Dwarfs
Ancestral Honour
Grudgebreaker
Honourkeeper
Oathbreaker
Tomb of he Golden Idol part 1 and 2

Elves
All Malus Darkblade
All Orion trilogy
All Tyrion and Teclis
Defenders of Ulthuan
Guardians of the Forest
Sons of Elyrion

Bretonnia
Both Gilead novels

All the Gotrek and Felix novels

Skaven
All Tanquol novels
Unseen
Vermintide

All Storm of Magic trilogy

Empire
Ambassador Chronicles
Blackhearts
Empire army series
Bernheimers Guns
Broken Honour
Hammers of Ulric
Knights of the Blazing sun
Sticks and Stones
Sword of Justice
Sword of Vengeance

All the End Times stuff

All the Time of Legends stuff

Vampire Counts
All Ulrika books
Ancient Blood
The Red Duke
Curse of the Necrach
Von Carstein books

All Warhammer heroes books

Miscellaneous
Death and Dishonour
Golfags Revenge
King of the Black Crag
The Cold Hand of Betrayal

>>52395861
Probably Isabella, they gave her and vlad their own faction, so now they can cuck mannlet together

>>52383085

Euro tourney limits kills the slave spam. It basically limits your composition by providing you a "pool" of choices you can select. HPA, cannons and non-mage engeneers all feature in this list, as do slave units past the third or past 120 models.


Anyway we played yesterday. He fielded a Gread Unclean and a demon prince, the strange slaneesh chariot, a big unit of beasts of nurgle, a big block of bloodletters and nurglite troops

I killed on first turn his Demon Prince due to cannon + poisoned sling spam, he got my HPA with a cannonball

I succesfully baited his Great Unclean one in the big LD trap unit, he failed the test (i still managed to not wound him), and basically died to my +5 combat res, since it surprisingly is not steadfast.

The chariot is surprisingly powerful at shredding slaves, but once both demons were down there was not much to do expect running circles around him and mopping up.

His skirmishers are a pain in the ass.

>>52395919
>>52396048

I'll also go through later and make a list of the books we need. Might be worth having it in the OP for future anons.

I think we're also missing one or two gaming books, 5th edition Warhammer Siege and Storm of Magic comes to mind.

>>52396093

I think Great Unclean Ones are so underwhelming in 8th.

He would be been better off with Beasts of Nurgle even if the models do look like shit.

>>52396048
I have some of those, I'll start scanning this week. Maybe pick up a few more on Amazon for that purpose.

What do I do with it once I'm done, and what settings should I use?

>>52396093
>A grand nurgle daemon died due to some TOXIC javelins and a cannonball

Kek

>>52396105
What about stuff like Albion? I've gotten those on Scribd, I could probably yank them off.

>>52396313

Just to confirm that's the list we have, so if you have anything NOT on that list, they're the ones we want.

Next thread I will compile a list of books we need.

In terms of settings, you scanner should have a setting where it makes written words stand out more, then just compile them into a PDF.

>>52396341

The list I have for missing war-gaming books is...

Warhammer Chronicles of War (4th ed.)
Warhammer Siege (5th ed.)
Warhammer Armies: Realm of Chaos (5th ed.)
Storm of Magic

>>52396384
Oh shit.

Okay then, I have one of those.

>>52395045
>I think trolls are creatures of Chaos
that was never really implied

chaos trolls are not the norm

Seems like kickassunblock is still down.
If possible could we combine the novels into a torrent?

>>52397625
>Seems like kickassunblock is still down.
Source

>>52397762
http://kickassunblock.net/user/BranStark/uploads/

>>52397762
are you incapable of looking for yourself?

>>52395583
Didn't they already give Toddbringer and Middenland, or was that just for multiplayer?

Personally, I'd love if we got to play as all the provinces, even if we had to settle for more generic lords with unique names like how they are now. I want to play as Wissenland.

>>52397248
>>52397361
Do you have the rest of these? There's a Wood Elf picture that shows up in the background of the loading screen that looks really nice and I'd like to find it.

>>52397040
Quoting from the Lexicanum:

>Trolls are by nature creatures of Chaos, the corrupting effects of Chaos playing a primary role in their origins.

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>>52398224
Try checking here:

https://www.artstation.com/search?q=total%20war%20warhammer&sorting=recent

Also, Necrotects. Why do I find them so awesome?

>>52398326
what the fuck
is that new fluff?
why is there such a massive distinction between them and "chaos trolls" then? are chaos trolls just the troll equivalent of a chaos champion then? or i suppose it would be reasonable to assume it just depends on their exposure to chaos

>>52398370
The sources the Lexicanum has are 7th ed Orcs and Goblins and Beasts of Chaos.

A distinction is technically drawn: "While all Trolls are inherently creature of Chaos, some have undergone more direct mutation that has twisted them into even more fearsome creatures than normal...While common, river and stone trolls ally with Greenskins, these children of Chaos are loyal to their Dark God fathers and they will often accompany the Warriors of Chaos in their campaigns."

The main distinction seems to be that, while they are all creatures of Chaos, some don't directly serve the Dark Gods anymore, because they're stupid or have grown distant from Chaos's call.

>>52398370

Sometimes I think they say Chaos when they mean just the winds of magic, which I guess are inherently Chaotic but it doesn't sound as pejorative.

>>52398326
I guess I was wrong, neat

anyone know when http://kickassunblock.net will be back up? is there an alternative site I could use instead?