EDH/Commander General /edhg/

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With Mind vs Might coming out soon I'm kinda interested in building Jhiora. But is there a way to make her that isn't "Suspend huge spells" or "Suspend Eldrazi Titans" Basically anything to make her not get hated off the table

>>52124089
At that point you might as well run Gisela or Jor Kadeen.

>>52124216
Responses Jhoira. Have plenty of instants. Suspend everything that's not an instant. Your turns are Draw Go other than possible combat step. Your opponents' turns are really active. Timebug/Timecrafting/Clockspinning to drop a card out of suspend RIGHT NOW or keep it hanging there until you need it.

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>>52124216
hears some spicy tech that i run
>pic related
>suspend everything
>cycle hand
>suspend everything
>paradox haze
>cycle again
>suspend

also
>puzzle box
>possibility storm (cast from hand, no one can counter you)
>knowledge pool (also cast from hand)

jihoria can fuck with people through chaos and she gets around a lot of it

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>>52124216

>>52124348
Traditional Wheels work far better. If you suspend your hand to garbage Creation and Puzzlebox won't get you that much draw power.

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>>52124063
>Main
Mono black Braids. #FREEBRAIDS

>Play for a lark
Derevi, flying bird wizard bitch is kinda cute.

>Bonfire
Daretti. Into the trash it goes.

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>>52124216
any predictions for what will be in jihorias deck?

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Brewing Ayli lifegain 'n' drain, anyone got any super secret spicy tech?

Can't wait to resolve this with a Sanguine Bond on the field

So I want to build a new deck based around increasing cards drawn per turn for everyone but I have no idea what commander to run. Preferably something that will get little hate and I can just flood hands with.

I want to make a Kataki deck. Should I go the "monowhite eggs" route or the "shoo artifacts" one?

>>52124573
I love Multani for this. Flood everyone's hands and then start oneshotting people.

>>52124573
Angus MacKenzie for Turbofog. Just slap Freed From the Real on him and you can eliminate combat. Run a few counters to stop combos from going off. Run Wheel of Sun and Moon to not mill out yourself.

>>52124216
I made Jhoira using high CMC stuff and Kaboom! type cards. It still allows you to suspend Eldrazi or big spells but that isn't the whole game plan. If you reveal Temporal Trespass, deal 12 with a Explosive Revelation, then suspend it after being added to your hand. You can also dump a high CMC spell into your yard and use Living Lore to cast it. You can clone Living Lore to cast high CMC spells from your graveyard too.

Not super competitive but it's a ton of fun and never the same in any game.

>>52124566
the ol' Life.dec was an infinite combo with Daru Spiritualist, Nomads En-Kor, and something to sac. Ayli would be the sac thing in the combo. It's super cheap, CMC wise.

>>52124216
>step 1
fuck you mld board wipe susspend
>step 2
eldrzi
>step 3
counterspell
>step 4
win

>>52124667
This is the version of Ayli I always thought was the best. You can also play the additional combo that uses rebels if you wanted.

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recomend me a fun off the beaten path comander to play

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>>52124745
Steal yo girl.

>>52124605
>card draw
>in mono green
Boi
>>52124608
I don't get how this leads to card draw.

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What are the best one drops /tg/??

>>52124821
Anon quite a lot of the "all players draw an additional card" effects are colorless, font of mythos, howling mine, anvil of bogardan etc..

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>>52124841
Duh

>>52124841
>Serraascendant/mentalmisstep.tiff

>>52124239
Jor is made to go Wide and Gisela is way too high CMC for voltron

Double Strike + Sword/Jitte Activations is sex and the vigilence allows you to take advantage of the defensive aspects of Pro-Colors

>Playing commander
>Gisela in play
>One guy casts army of the damned and another dude reverberates it for himself
>Gisela player casts elecktrickery kicked at the end step.
Salt

>>52124821
Green has a bunch of draw

>>52124063
Selvala stax is one of my favorite decks.

>>52124814
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/591482#paper
this a good list? about to order it

Just getting into the format. Very fun for shits and giggles. Does anyone have a deck or just a commander that isn't actually great, but is hilarious to play?

>>52124348
Play it in a deck with Alhammarret's Archive

>competitive edh
The more this phrase gets thrown around the angrier I get. What fucking mouth breather thought it would be a good idea?

>>52124814
Stahp
t. Capt. Sissy

>>52125087
Norin the Wary

:^)

>>52125087
if you want a meme commander norin, the wary and heartless hidetsugu are perfect.

>>52125105
People who misunderstand the point of the format

>>52125105
Zedruu the Greathearted

>>52125135
Woops meant for
>>52125087

>>52125105
Redditors, I'm not even being paranoid. Some of them have outed themselves as being from there.

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>>52125085
That list is sweet. I'm about to put it together right now.

>>52125105
>>52125131
>people can't enjoy things I don't enjoy.

>>52125114
Niet.

>lol anon I play narset you can't steal her.

>>52125105
>Retards showing up at the LGS with food chain taziri and fully tuned yisan
>Smug as they pubstomp retards running angel tribal and volatile rigs
MAKE IT STOP

>>52125087
Edric or Gwafa are fun and underrated

>>52125201
>fully tuned yisan
I've actually been interested in Yisan for a while, but as a toolbox. Is that feasible? Or would I fall into the trap of building him like every other Yisan deck?

>>52125245
Yisan is an all in combo deck that runs stand pieces while it enacts it's game plan by turns 3-5

What colorless utility land do you put in all your decks?
I usually go for:
>Reliquary Tower
>Ghost Quarter
>Mirrorpool
>Rogue's Passage
>Arcane Lighthouse
>Homeward Path

>>52125313
>Strip Mine
>Wasteland
>Dust Bowl
>Ghost Quarter
>Tectonic Edge
>Encroaching Wastes

:^)

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>>52124480
>free braids

Fine. Can I have Rofellos then?

>>52125508
Sure, if we can bargain for Griselbrand

>>52124216
>But is there a way to make her that isn't "Suspend huge spells" or "Suspend Eldrazi Titans" Basically anything to make her not get hated off the table
Doesn't matter what you make her, people will assume you're doing one or both of those two builds. So since there's no use fighting that assumption, you might as well just do that.

>>52125535
Well then we should find an agreement for Emrakul too

>>52125105
I want to play legacy but I can't afford the playsets of expensive cards. So I play the format closest to it. What's wrong with that?

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>>52125508
No.
>subtle greatest mana dork ever printed.
v.
>4 mana 2/2 symmetrical effect on the easiest permanent type to deal with in EDH.

Why do people insist on the >stuff on the banlist is equally horrifically broken and if one is unbanned they can all be unbanned - meme?

>>52125599
That's a brutal oversimplification. If Braids is in the command zone and you draw an opening hand Sol Ring, Dark Ritual, etc., you will have her on turn 2, when everyone else is on one or two permanents. If nobody else has a 1 mana removal spell at that exact moment, you win the game.
Braids deserves to be banned as a commander, get over it.

>>52125221
>Edric
>underrated
He's KoS in my playgroup

>>52125599
Sure, Braids is less subtle, but she's the greatest stax card printed for this format.

>>52125686
Don't forget that Braids forces it's controller to sacrifice something too, dummy.

Which commander should I choose for Orzhov goodstuff? I just want to card removal spells, draw cards, and cast some useful creatures. No shenanigans.

Leaning towards both of the partners.

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>>52124491
bane of bala ged
some mid tier eldrazi

also that thing is pretty good, who here has one in a deck?

How do you make Orzhov fun? Flicker? Tokens? Drain/Gain?

>>52124821
Angus is Bant. That means he has Prosperity and similars from blue, Rite of Flourishing (and similar?) from green, and all the artifact turbo as well with a good artifact protection/resurrection package in white -- a package that also helps the classic Stax love of artifacts if you go that route. You can run all the Parley effects, which are symmetrical draw. Green and White are good at fogging if Angus misses a beat and Blue lets you nab Cyclonic Rift -- back to your hand it all goes.

If you do go TurboStax, that leads to "your lands still don't untap thanks to winter orb/tangle wire and you'll be saccing them away to the smokestack..." And WG is the best at tokens to feed the Stax effects with.

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>>52124745
>off the beaten path
haven't seen one built in over 2 years

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>>52125748
>greatest stax card printed for this format
>card printed for this format
>for this format
>banned

>>52125920
works well in Iroas

>>52124841
deathrite

>>52125927
Flicker and tokens get a little tiresome after a few games. Drain/Gain will earn you the ire of every other player. Embrace your inner blackness and learn to love the hate.

>>52125786
Don't forget that you're going to be at least one permanent of everyone else before you have to sacrifice anything, dummy.
The stupidest thing Braids apologists try to push is that it's a symmetrical effect. In any kind of good Braids build, it won't be. That's why she's banned and deserves to be.

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>>52125927
Zombies & Enchantments

>>52125887
big Teysa or that new guy from kaladesh

>>52125887
Kambal or Obzedat Ghost Console

>>52125887
Ravos is real good for goodstuff, and tymna is alright. Teysa can be good too if you're building mono-B splash white with Kabal Koffers

>>52125937
I played him for a while, just for the off the beaten path idea. He's clearly meant to be a voltron commander but he's worse at it than pretty much all the others. He's more expensive and less impactful than Rafiq, doesn't have any of the built in protection of Sigarda, and same on both counts for Uril. There's just no reason to play him.

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>>52124841
birds
path
swords
swan song
nature's claim
mystic remora
land tax
miri's guile
mother of rune's
preordain and its cousins
burgeoning


there are plenty of great 1 and 2 drops most decks should be close to the ground IMHO

also pic related
fight me fags

>>52125748
the greatest stax card is kozilek because braids is banned

>>52124745
G O D O

>>52126043
>the greatest stax card is kozilek
you are so bad at magic

>>52126034
>for some reason leovold and teeg both really caught on recently in my local meta so i have to put bolt in all my decks

>:(

>>52125087
That depends on what kind of Hillarity you're looking for.

Mizix (or any spellslinger) is good at delivering an often chaotic flurry of action.

BUG Sidisi and Tasigur are both sweet graveyard-filling madness which can lead to you making a lot of insane plays.

Creatureless Narset can be very powerful if you're always trying to combo off as hard as possible, but can be built to the 75% standard where either she's swinging more for value than same turn combo, or else is attempting to execute an unstable chain of extra turns and combat effects that could fizzle and crash down around her head at any second. Secret Tech: Mana Severance.

Esper Artifact Goodstuff has a broad band of potential power and lets you have a wide pick of commanders: Sen Triplets, Sharuum, Sydri, and Breya (who adds red to the mix) are all fair choices. Triplets are particularly hilarious though they tend to get hated out not because they're strong, necessarily, but because some people get really triggered when you touch "their stuff"

>>52125976
For someone bitching about the oversimplification of things, you sure do have a habit of assuming the absolute worst. I don't care about Braids at all, I'm a different anon than the one who is sperging out about him, as the new IP in the thread should have suggested. That being said, the idea that someone running Braids can topdeck every card perfectly every time they play is not just stupid but shows how inexperienced you likely are in the format. While it /can/ happen, yes, it's highly unlikely to see Braids on the field on turn two. It's also highly unlikely that at least one person isn't running blue. Or more appropriately, isn't running some kind of low cost removal.

Anyway, even if she does get put out on turn two, it's no different than any other turn two or three lockout. Except, you know, Braids actually penalizes the player for it unlike most of the other cancerous shit I've witnessed in this format.

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>>52124216
Go full political autism/fun and have your opponents bet on the spells you suspend.
Have a war profiteer theme, with you "selling" weapons to both sides.

>bring poker chips to the game
>whenever a player ends their turn without attacking you, give them 5 chips
>whenever an opponent deals damage to another opponent, give them that many chips
>whenever an opponent destroys a permanent controlled by another opponent, give them chips equal to that permanents CMC

>whenever an opponent deals damage to you, they lose that many chips
>whenever an opponent destroys Jhoira, they lose 10 chips

Fill your deck cards that can help your opponents...
>Opportunity
>Hunted Dragon
>Varchild's War-Riders
>Hunted Phantasm
>Vow of Flight (and other such aura's)
etc

Whenever a card is suspended by Jhoira is about to come into play, hold an auction. Your opponents can bet the poker chips they've earned, and whoever wins gets to "control" the card; they can choose the targets, and, if it's a creature, they decide who and when it attacks.

Basically, everything in your deck is for sale. Maybe even play with your hand revealed, and so players can see when something amazing is coming up and they'll be more encouraged to kill each other and earn more chips.

The great thing about this set up (apart from how gimmicky it is) is that you can play ridiculous overpowered cards without getting hated out of the game.
When you suspend an Eldrazi Titan your opponents would normally team up to kill you. Under this cheesy system, they'll try to kill each other so they can "buy" the titan.
And when that titan attacks, you're not the one controlling it. You didn't make that decision. Your opponents will blame each other.

In the end, you'll still be playing a bunch of powerful spells and your creatures will still be attacking your opponents, but now it's not your fault.

You're just a businessman trying to earn an honest living.

>>52126122
>someone running Braids can topdeck every card perfectly every time they play
We're talking about opening hands here you fucking retard. You know, the things that people can mulligan? Highly unlikely my ass. There's so much fast mana in this format and so many different ways of getting it that a well-built Braids list could, in fact, reliably get her out on turn two or three, and it is different from the other T2-3 locks because she's in the fucking command zone. Have you ever played with or against a tuned deck before, or are you one of those mouthbreather timmies sucking Sheldon's cock?

>>52126204
Build it then. Stop talking shit and show us what you know, anon.

>>52125937
I run my Selvala enchantress deck as a stealth Krond sometimes, using Selvala to accelerate card-draw and build up a wall of enchantments with stuff like Aura Shards/Dueling Grounds/Ghostly Prison/etc to help keep Krond around/active.

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>>52126056
what else do you call it, anon?

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>>52125087
Play karametra in a deck dedicated to animating lands,causing tokens to enter when lands do and other ways of making lands = creatures
"oops its accidentally a mass land destruction deck in some corner cases :^) ").

>>52126313
>call it, anon?
Ramp you complete imbecile
there isnt a single stax card in that hand.

>>52126438
i think he's referring it annihilator

>>52126453
>annihilator
this has nothing to do with stax.
Stax are tax cards that were popular in a deck known as the The deck was named $T4KS, an acronym for "The Four Thousand Dollar Solution,"
Trinisphere, smokestax, thalia, winter orb, static orb, stasis, chains of meph etc. these are stax cards

ramping into an eldrazi is not stax.

>>52126438
kozilek ;)

>>52126509
i'm not saying it is, but making an opponent sacrifice permanents is

>>52126530
repetitively* making them sacrifice

>>52126530
no it isnt its closer to removal than stax.
it only effects the player that it is attacking. stax effects are board wide.

>>52126575
>kismet et al. isn't stax

Ok

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>>52124841
Mass Hysteria

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EDH banlist is garbage.

>>52126654
Aww, did your degenerate pet card get banned? Maybe try playing Vintage instead of shitting up this format.

>>52125153
I play competitive and do not browse Reddit.

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>>52126654
YOU'RE GARBAGE!

>>52126594
>kismet only affects one person
what are you fucking smoking?

Could I get some advice for this deck? It's mostly hashed out, but there's a fairly large cloud of possibilities that I could put into it, and I want to narrow it down so I can finish buying cards (without bleeding myself dry, ideally).
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/perpetual-motion-machine-1/

>>52126687
There's always at least one person not affected by it hence, not board wide. Choose your words better next time, nigger. Also, your argument falls apart in 1v1.

>>52126654
why?
People complain a lot about the ban list but for the most part its the best ban list in in magic.
People complain about people interacting with their boards
People complain about not being able to play incredibly degenerate cards
People, especially on tg, are bad at magic and need to adapt to situations without calling for bans or reaching for cards that are clearly toxic to the game.

>>52126730
this isnt a 1v1 format and stax in edh is a way of keeping the board under control all at the same time.
what you are saying is akin to comet storm being the best removal card because the best removal is player removal

>>52126783
>keeping the board under control all at the same time.
No that's called playing Control. Stax is locking people out of the game by resource denial, a common tool of Control.

>>52126654
gaea's cradle being legal is so fucked
but i'm a simple man, so i continue to play edric

>>52126844
literally what I just said

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A storytime for anyone interested in playing on xmage.
>want to try Vorosh voltron with heavy control support before I waste time sleeving it
>join some games
>games end rather fast as I cant control the board enough while assembling Vorosh
>it would be ok if not for stock lists, salt, dicking disguised as "politics", and even ragequits
>finally decide to make a game myself naming it something like dirty casul jankness
>noone joins until I type in general chat
>proceed to have 3 superfun games with these guys
>play togheter another day after that
Lots of spice, blowouts and laughs, even crashing the client like 3 times. So I would recommend trying, its nice when you dont have a regular irl group. But beware of cockatrice as people dont follow priority rules, miss triggers a lot and freely take back plays. Xmage may be clunky but rules enforcement online is a bitch.

>>52126883
Then you should see how annihilator is resource denial.

>>52124841
Are we talking specifically in red? Stromkirk Noble, Goblin Welder, Winds of Change and maybe Goblin Fireslinger if you're in a walker-heavy meta

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From 1 to 10, how spicy is this?

>>52126937
Unless you cheat Koz into the game by turn 3, by the time annihilator gets anywhere relevant the opponent is long dead by commander damage anyway so where does the stax come into play?

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>ban all walkers
>ban all "from outside the game" cards
Yes or no?

>>52126997
Usually around a 3 but if there's a mizix in the house it jumps to 9 since UR is junk at removing enchantments and mizix wants to sling those spells.

>>52127024
No to the first since that's retarded, yes to the second since they default don't work anyway.

>>52127023
>unless you cheat koz into the game turn 3
>>52126313

>>52127069
Being a scrub with a perfect manarock setup doesn't count.
>Kataki War's Wage next turn

>>52126677
Actually it's the contrary, we should ban a couple more degenerate goodstuff cards that go into every <insert color> deck by default and paywall players out of higher level EDH play - see Mana Crypt, Gaea's Cradle et al. It promotes variety in the format.

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>Playing thromok
>cast him with devour 7, he's 49/49
>Every single player has a maze of ith
>"haha anon you don't have warstorm surge that Thromok isn't going anywhere"
>cast psychosis crawler
>"lol anon wtf gruul sucks at card draw
>Cast rishkar's expertise
>hit everyone for 49 damage
>they all lose their shit, briefly considering banning Thromok until I point out that he doesn't even have 100 decks on edhrec and that instant speed removal or counterspells would have solved that, and they'd be dead anyway if I had a fling or warstorm surge
>they don't ban him but are still mad

Today was a wonderful day.

>>52127166
>Mana crypt is only 50 dollars

Shit son, prepare to grow the banlist by another 60 cards or more if this is your jumping point.

>>52126997
Depends on what the rest of your deck is trying to do and what other decks you're playing. Against spellslingers it looks hilarious, against some "oops 99 permanents deck", obviously not so much.

The idea of someone casting a counterspell while enchanted with this is funny though.

>>52127352
>only 50 dollars
>only
Do you play an arabian nights theme deck?

>>52127123
>>52127023
I never said Koz was a stax commander, or even a good stax card. I've been arguing that annihilator itself, though unorthodox, is.

>>52127166
>>52127386
>Banning Serra's Sanctum
You are shit at Magic.

>>52127239
>being salty because of one flashy, cool, multicard play
>even consider banning freakin Thromok because of it
This kills the jank in me. Nice play though, anon

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>>52127239
>consider banning him mere moments after laughing about how useless he is.

You should ban your friends from existing.

>>52127417
>being proud of playing objectively broken lands
pfffffff

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>>52127439
>objectively broken lands

>>52127439
>not running a full suit of land destruction
Plebian detected please leave

>>52127239
Change group and tell the current one they should end their pitiful existence

>>52127472
In what universe is Gaea's Cradle and Serra's Sanctum not broken? Should we unban Tolarian Academy then so every game devolves into whether the Bant player wins the coinflip or not?
I seriously hope your pic isn't meant to be a strip mine reference.
>yeah I screw my manacurve and discard a single card in 99 so you don't win outright the next turn... oh wait you just drew Maze of Ith, fml

>>52124216
Stax. Suspend all your stax pieces, and then your opponents have to watch as each turn their options get more and more limited.

>>52127472
lands that tap for more than one are / were a mistake

>>52127386
Seriously, what objective price point is OK with you. You just banned Angus McKenzie and some of the other OGs from legends too.

Stop being poor and forcing it on everyone else.

Also funny enough, it's this format that increased the price on a lot of these limited supply cards. Look up prices from before EDH was a thing: Mana crypt, imperial recruiter, OG legends, etc. They were all dirt cheap compared to today.

Ban those cards and some will ironically drop and in price while their replacements increase in value in become valuable. You are short sighted and stupid. It's probably why you are poor.

>>52127528
The fact that you are even comparing GC/SS to Tolarian proves you are a shitter.

>>52127540
It's NOT about price alone. It's about price AND being a goodstuff must-have-in-every-deck-that-allows-it-ever piece. Exact same reasoning that has banned Black Lotus in any sane format actually.

>>52127528
It's (You) digging a bigger hole for yourself with each increasingly idiotic post.

>>52127552
The fact that you keep defending GC/SS so vehemently proves that you're a wankster that can't make a decent deck without either.

>>52127439
>serra's sanctum
>broken
I mean it's strong but so are gaea's cradle and cabal coffers

>>52127575
Coffers at least has the excuse that you need to play a monoblack deck for it to be good (or alternatively, have Urborg in play). GC/SS have one prerequisite: "play creatures/play enchantments". Wow such a hurdle!

>>52127574
>anon makes a retarded statement
>gets told he's retarded
>"omg, you pointing out my stupidity makes you bad at deck building!!"
>????

>>52127602
Because playing urborg is such a hurdle too, uh?

>>52127602
>implying GC/SC dont force you into a certain decktype to be good
No your still just assblasted about how the cards are very strong but out of your price range.

>>52127602
>playing a land is harder than playing a creature or enchantment
see>>52127472

>>52127555
>Price
>Used as a metric for banning in any other format.

Holy fuck you are stupid, and if you think imperial recruiter isn't good you are shit.

Also price as a banning metric is a joke in this format. Workshop isn't even banned and it's worth as much as moxen, etc.

>>52127621
Well if you don't draw it, it is. And I ain't wasting a demonic tutor for a fucking land unless it wins me the game outright.
>>52127629
>implying Tolarian Academy DOESN'T force you into a certain decktype
>>52127644
In something like elfball or enchantress, it certainly is.
>can drop only 1 land per turn
>meanwhile, can vomit my hand of creatures in 1 turn, then play cradle and get all the mana back, then play shamanic revelation or whatever and go fuck yourself

Move along guys, he's either a troll or retarded and neither is worth addressing.

>>52127662
Have you ACTUALLY read a single word from the post you're replying to other than "price"?

Imperial Recruiter is obviously good but isn't by any stretch "overpowered" or "obvious inclusion in every red deck". It's very fairly priced for the kind of effect you're getting, and a lot of its value stems from it being in a color that's starving for tutors.

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Who is the most fun or effective Dimir commander that is not Milling or Zombies?

>>52127766
Does Lazav count? Yeah he mills, but it's to trigger his ability rather than a wincon per se. Other than that, maybe Vela and unblockable shenanigans?

>>52127239
your playgroup sounds like a bunch of whiney pissbabys

>>52127766
Dralnu

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>>52127766
banana dragon

>>52127808
UB is on the same tier of support as RW, general wise, it's just UB are two much better colors

>>52127763
Tell me then, great shitter. What red cards are auto includes in every red deck. Assume it's a five color deck, what red cards make the cut? Imperial recruiter is way at the top of my list anon, but I am sure you can do better :^)

>>52126145
This is extremely autistic

>>52127693
>>can drop only 1 land per turn
>what is ramp
>what is expedition map
what is tutoring for good lands to double or triple your mana

>meanwhile, can vomit my hand of creatures in 1 turn, then play cradle and get all the mana back, then play shamanic revelation or whatever and go fuck yourself
Sure buddy, it's totally not like there's a million other cards that can do the same thing, gaea's cradle and serra's sanctum are special snowflakes and no other card can generate mana by the number of creatures or other shit you control

>>52127766
Wydwen draw-go + light equipment

>>52127852
Flametongue Kavu

>>52127852
Purphoros.
>Imperial recruiter is way at the top of my list anon, but I am sure you can do better :^)
Probably because you have a bigger tutor pool in 5 color you dumb cum socket.
>tutors are equally powerful as Gaea's Cradle
Double facepalm

>>52127766
Skeleton Ship
Nebuchadnezzar
Sygg, River Cutthroat

>>52127822
>>52127425
>>52127427
>>52127503
They're honestly pretty alright, we all have casual decks and tuned decks and choose the one most appropriate for the job. Things sometimes just get a little heated when the entire table is killed in a single turn in a more casual game, and they weren't expecting it either.

After the next game they told me that it was a pretty cool play as well, and with banning I meant banning from our casual games.

>>52127871
>nonbasic land ramp in black/whatever other than golgari
Yeah sure
>what is expedition map
Something I'd already have spent to tutor for Coffers?

Just need a Mana Crypt, a Sol Ring, Vampiric Tutor, and a Damnation and my EDH deck will be finished

>>52127956
Why would you tutor for Coffers when Urborg isn't on the field? Unless you run mono-B that's dumb

>>52128020
Well that's my point, I have two targets for Map and only one Map. Unless I get lucky and mull into one of Coffers/Borg and Map in the same hand. Is it really as degenerate as Cradle and 50elves.dec, or Prossh or anything that shits tokens?

>>52125887
Play the Teysa from RTR block or one of the two Obzedats.

What are your favorite color combinations and which combinations do you dislike/never play?

>>52127899
Purph is a garbage for shit that's not tokens. Thanks for proving how bad you are.

>>52128107
>like
Boros/Orzhov

>dislike
Blue, but I recently had to dip into it in order to play Gay Kangz

>>52128064
The thing is there are plenty more ways to do what cradle does and those aren't broken apparently

>>52127899
>Purphoros
>being of any use outside of tokens.dec

>>52128123
And tokens are ubiquitous in literally every single color.
>>52128142
Like? What other single card gives you multiple colored mana for free, repeatable every turn that gets exponentially better the longer the game goes on and the more you can untap it? You can achieve some degenerate ramp in green, but not with ONE card that requires so little to play. Even in big stompy you need merely 2 creatures out for it to be a strictly better forest.

>>52128107
Jund/Junk/Gruul/Golgari

Blue/White in general but i don't mind dipping in U every now and then since it has some fun cards, W is just boring on it's own but it can have some rare fun interactions

>>52128194
priest of titania
>but that's a creature and easily removed
so are the things that power SS/GC but NOT the things that power Coffers, lands, which are profoundly more difficult to remove than creatures/enchantments

long story short, you're a retard

>>52128133
I really like Boros and Orzhov too. Only have one deck though. I wish Boros was better, not a lot of great commanders in it. I also like Rakdos and Selesnya.

>>52128253
Priest of Titania doesn't have haste and is restricted to a single tribe. Gaea's Cradle needs >creatures
>enchantments are easy to remove
Could you repeat that to a black/red/blue player

>>52128107
Orzhov, Boros, and Rakdos

Azorius, Simic, Dimir, anything with Blue basically

>>52128107
Like: Dimir, Orzhov, azorius, gruul, rakdos
Dislike: Izzet, Selesnya, Simic, Golgari

>>52127024
No and the latter already does nothing in EDH unless you agree as a group it does.

>>52128194
Xenagos the Reveler

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>>52128107
Boros, Gruul, Naya, Esper

Bant, Azorius, Azorius, Azorius, Bant, Grixis

>>52128368
>costs 4 mana in 2 colors

>>52128314
Your unawareness of colorless cards only further fuels the fires of your idiocy. Any deck that doesn't actively include answers to it's weaknesses is made by a moron.

>>52128382
>let's complain about the mana cost
>when you get it all back with a fuckload of mana on top

>>52128107
>Like
Dimir, Golgari, Sultai, Mardu, Esper, Monogreen

>Never Play
Boros, Rakdos, Monoblack. I don't dislike them, strictly speaking, but they neither have a great selection of cards nor generals that interest me. Rakdos especially I might try some day but I've got a way easier time finding Grixis generals I enjoy.

>>52128314
Not a single point in this post refutes the one its quoting, sad!

>>52128408
Yeah let me play Nevinyrral's Disk in my deck to counter Serra's Sanctum ramp, that'll show that enchantress player good!
>alternatively, some 7 mana sorcery speed shit

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JUDGE!

Does exquisite blood/ Sanguine bond loop stall the game into infinity? Or does it "win" the game for the controller of the loop? Thanks!

>>52128427
One needs you to have a developed board to reap the benefit over a forest, the other needs you to have 2 creatures.

>>52128444
>Yeah let me play Nevinyrral's Disk in my deck to counter Cabal Coffers ramp, that'll show that MonoB player good!
retard

>>52128462
IIRC the game ends the moment all opponents get below 0 (unless some permanent saves their ass)

>>52128462
afaik the stack builds up endlessly but you will eventually win when your opponents die when the triggers resolve enough times

i think it might cause a draw if there's something like a platinum angel in play though

>>52128462
the controller of the two enchantments wins unless someone can disrupt he drain cycles.

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>>52128444
>shit-talking All is Dust

>>52128470
And i quote
>>meanwhile, can vomit my hand of creatures in 1 turn

>>52128526
>"enchantment removal"
>that removes my board presence as well
pottery

>>52128462
It ends in victory. Players die at interrupt speed, so you're not stuck in a no-exit infinity, it exits when all opponents are slain.

If there's an opponent who doesn't die to having 0 or less life or who can't lose the game, but who still loses life, the loop has no exit (Barring a Time Stop effect or other way of countering a trigger) and I believe under current comp rules, the player executing the loop loses (after all other players have lost since that's when game state stops changing?)

If an opponent has Platinum Empyrion or otherwise can't lose life, the loop will run until it kills everyone who CAN lose life, causing its controller to gain the appropriate amount of life, and will then stop since nobody lost life for a loop, triggering no gain.

>>52128541
You're too stupid to understand Magic, don't try to miss-use memes now too.

>>52128535
That 4 free mana is quite useful for that.

>>52128566
Choke on a cardboard piece of shit

>>52128566
>>52128541
this

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>>52128586

>>52128107
>like
colorless is honestly my favorite "color", because i like how it has to work around the rest of pie in interesting ways. it sort of developed its own color identity in doing so.

Favorite duo would be orzhov and favorite tri is esper. i also have a soft spot for rakdos.
>dislike
red can be fun but overall is the most boring of the single colors for me, with white coming up right behind it. naturally i also find boros to be snorefest and as far as tri is concerned i dislike naya because its the worst of red white and green all at once.

>>52128559
>and I believe under current comp rules, the player executing the loop loses
utter nonsense, if a loop occurs in the game and doesn't end, the game ends in a draw.

>>52128899
link me to the rules that say this
cause i think you are full of shitcunt

>>52129015
http://www.wizards.com/magic/comprules/MagicCompRules090201.pdf
421.4. If the loop contains only mandatory actions, the game ends in a draw. (See rule 102.4b.)

go fuck yourself you chode

>>52129015
Wash your dirty mouth with soap immediately young man

>>52128899
Hm. I thought they changed that one in one of the recent overhauls but 421.4 is pretty clear that it's still draw. Good catch.

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>>52129044
>>52129041

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Which commanders require the most skill?

What's a good deck theme for Zurgo?
Just Voltron?

>>52129459
WRATH IT ALL

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>>52129389
Boros

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>>52129389

>>52129389
Boros commanders are hard to win with because you lack good card advantage and its all aggro. Alternatively some of the older commanders are pretty bad and I have a soft spot for any Portal 3Kingdoms commander even though most are bad.

>>52128107
Like: Mono Black, anything with green, dimir

Dislike to play against: Mono Blue, any two colour with white, Grixis

Dislike to play/never build: BW, Mono white and Grixis

>>52129389

Anything not UG(x)

>>52129389
It's not about the commander, it's about the build. Of course, certain commanders play more towards certain builds. The following take some skill to pull off...

>Complex Combos
Deckbuilding skill

>Unstable Combos
Deckbuilding and Play skill

>Graveyard/Reanimator
In any meta with hate running around, the late is so potent that you have to have play skill to survive.

>Anything relying on 'spot' answers
Like Counterspell Tribal takes a LOT of play skill to actually win against a multiplayer table rather than just piss everyone off and then die

>Stax
Requires a TON of skill to play well. It doesn't take a genius to just ruin everyone's ability to play, but to actually Stax the field and come out ahead? The decision tree is complex, situational, and often uncertain.

>>52125313
None of those are good in whichever deck they're in except for Ghost Quarter.

Reliquary Tower is mostly pointless in decks without sizable card draw, most decks without blue/black shouldn't run it.
Mirrorpool enters tapped which is even more garbage than a regular colorless land.
Rogue's Passage won't be very useful in combo, control or wide weenie decks.
Arcane Lighthouse is unnecessary without a notable amount of targeted removal.
Homeward Path is actively detrimental in any deck with control magic effects, but otherwise good enough.

I'll give you Rogue's Passage and Arcane Lighthouse if you want to be le epic politician :^) but other than that you're just shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to being able to keep good starting hands.

>>52129539
>t.euphoric sultaifag

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>>52129459

>>52129583
it's a Mono Brown deck

>>52129202
best I can guess is you're thinking of the ruling regarding 4 horsemen, which is not an infinite loop but a repeatable loop that requires constant player input. Because the loop is voluntary and requires reshuffling your library an arbitrary number of times it is universally ruled as "delay of game" and is grounds for a trip to dairy queen.

>>52125313

As >>52125374, but limited by budget

Really, nothing makes it into EVERY deck. Recent decks

Marchesa
>Throne of the High City
>Sea Gate Wreckage

Sidisi
>Nephalia Drownyard, Alchemist's Refuge & Grim Backwoods
>Everything Else taps for colored.

Blue Braids/Paradox Engine Combo
>Inventor's Fair

Feldon
>Foundry of the Consuls
>Other utilities that tap for colorless but have a red identity
>Strip Mine

>>52129459

Worldslayer tribal

>>52129640
Could be that. Could also have been theory of sportsmanship calls since I vaguely remember the triple-faceless-butcher loop being cited. Whatever the case is I was wrong in >>52128559 and the "Opponent has Platinum Angel" scenario draws the game unless you have a forced exit like Time Stop.

>>52129632
Are all your decks mono brown, retardo?

>>52129703
Is it illegal to play a third Butcher out on an otherwise empty field? In other words, intentionally causing a loop to secure a draw?

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>>52129744
Jokes on you, they are.

Considering Commander 2017 is 6-7 months away, what themes would you like for the inevitable ally guilds decks?

I just wanna Gruul like no other

>>52129790
Command zone matters 2: electric boogaloo

Make it even more degenerate than last time

>>52129750
Playing for an intentional draw is not against any rules. Otherwise divine intervention would be banned.

I once knew a player who had a deck dedicated to making unending loop combos to force draws (wheel of sun and moon + helm of obedience was one of his favorites). He bragged it was the FAIREST edh deck ever made. I didn't like playing with him very much.

>>52129790
I would sacrifice fucking orphans if they would give UB something other than LOL MILL or LOL CLONES

>>52129851
I'd join you if it meant Boros got something other than vaguely shitty beater

>>52129928
BOROS COMMANDER
10RRW
FIRST STRIKE VIGILANCE INDESTRUCTIBLE IRRELEVANT KEYWORD SOUP
WHEN YOU HIT YOUR OPPONENT HIT HIM HARDER LOL
2/4

this is the 2017 precon boros commander, screenshot this post

>>52129955
Double dubs confirm

Thinking of less-played commanders, and Llawan came to mind. If I hit her with Glamerdye while she's on the stack does the color change stick once she's on the battlefield, thus getting the ETB trigger? Or since she's no longer a spell, it reverts?

>>52130008
from Glamerdye's card rulings
>Glamerdye’s effect has no duration. It will last until the game ends or the affected spell or permanent leaves the relevant zone, with the following exception: If Glamerdye affects an artifact, creature, enchantment, or planeswalker spell, it will also affect the permanent that spell becomes when it resolves.
this is actually super spicy

>>52130047

Thanks fambo. Looks like Octo-waifu might be the mono-color I've be looking for.

Say I have a real hard on for Sun and Grave titans, is there a commander, who is not the ghost goat, that wants both of them?

>>52129790

I want a fuckhuge big creature with an absurd casting cost, with a non autistic ability while in the command zone, that helps you eventually cast it. Maybe the ability actually makes it harder to cast it in exchange for being a really game-changing drop if you cast it.

>>52129851
>>52129928
I support both these movements.

I want to see a UB commander who fucks with combat and possibly even player control, and an RW commander with a sort of scorched earth vibe, maybe command zone Barren Glory alt win

>>52130167
Ayli?

Tasigur or Damia for a BUG Good Stuff deck?

>>52130360
tasigur. win con in command zone if you get infinite mana, which good stuff should accomplish pretty easy.

>>52130178
>Costless Commander
>Starts in the command zone with counters
>Counter drops off every turn like Suspend
>Pay mana that defines the color identity to remove counters
>When it's out of counters, it comes out. Again, as per suspend
>Can keyword the ability so a cycle can have it
>Commander is inevitable (hey, that could be a keyword) and never suffers the command tax. In fact, as the game goes on, you have more manner to bring it out faster.

>>52130394
seconding, Banana man is cheaper at all stages in the game. His ability is more relevant to BUG and scales up the more mana you pump into it. Damia can be safely replaced with Necropotence.

>>52130541
>>52130394
Thai Ladyboy it is

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Anyone have any success with this card? You still have to eat a hit but it might make a good deterrent.

>>52130744
Just seems like a far worse Maze of Ith or Kor Haven.

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>>52130687
>Thai Ladyboy
quick mods are asleep post dickgirls

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my local club plays a lot of non-combat decks, but I wanna try to do a token & +1/+1 deck using this commander and most of the open hostility deck.
Any advice for how to build land/mana, effects and general themes?

>>52126753
>best banlist in magic

>>52130980
Myriad is beautiful with her. The best insane play is probably Blade of Selves + Hydra Omnivore

>>52130744
>>52130902 It serves a rather different purpose than Maze. Maze of ith just basically reads "The best creature attacking me isn't" Everything ends with no mess, no harm done. Ice Floe is far more spiteful. You take the hit, but then you just sort of hold your opponent down and drool on them until they get why attacking you was a bad idea.

Which is better depends on what you're up against. Damage triggers or just plain fat creatures? You want maze. Attack triggers like Narset (who somehow fails to combo off in one attack), BUG Sidisi, or a Titan? Floe will make them regret their deeds.

>>52131074
its a very small banlist for an truly eternal format, most of the cards that are banned are power or no-brainers.
the modern ban list for example, has roughly the same amount of cards but only half of which are banned because they warp the format.

Confusion in the Ranks?

Best Card ever or just merely best card?

>>52130952
I love Portal 3 Kingdoms. Its a shame that none of the Commanders are very good from it. Its also a shame most have never see a reprint.

>>52131533
Needs more Grip of Chaos. Best combo. Every permanent cast is now a spin on the roulette wheel.

>>52130744
i bought one
will let you know in about 2 weeks how I liked it

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/budget-karador-1/
Any suggestions? Pretty new to the format here. The only deck I've played is the precon Greeks deck, which is pretty bad.

>>52124263
I opened a timebug in my very first pack of magic cards years before I bought my second. I always thought the art looked cool, but i never had the opportunity to use it.

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>tfw playing edh versus my only friend
>his commander is oloro, and he's playing lifedrain/control

>he wins 95% of all games

I don't know if i should tell him about edh duel rules, he's so proud of his deck.

I'm thinking of looking for 2 other players so we can try playing with 4 players, that'll probably get him killed every game.

What should i do?

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>tfw got to pull off the Lattice/Vandalblast combo tonight

>>52131868
Yep. Look for other players or make a deck so anti-oloro that he wants to try something else.

>>52127602
"play enchantments" is exactly one fucking deck and there are no good enchantress commanders

ravos/kydele is pmuch never gonna be OP

>>52127574
Serra's Sanctum isn't broken you nigger. Tolarian is way too strong, and Gaea's Cradle I agree with you, but Serra's Sanctum isn't even as good as Cabal Coffers.

>>52126145

Holy fucking shit I need this. I play the blame game more than my field. I never thought to use her like that.

>1-3
Build something mono-black
>4-6
Build Azami
>7-9
Build Thromok
>0
Tune the living shit out of Ghave

>>52131868
well what is your deck?
honestly you shouldnt be having that much trouble with oloro in 1v1.

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Fuck what yall think I play in a super spikey meta and need a competitive edh list for 4 color kiki. Itll be WURG I believe. What spicy numbers can you think of to go into this pile?

>>52132249
You have to get value out of your kiki/twin targets outside of the combo, I know old maelstrom twin decks would fix the top deck so that the combo end up in the top
I think long term plans and top top tutors were the main culprits.
pod works too.
theres a line where you pod for an uptapper
untap pod -> kiki off of the untapper
I'll look for it in a bit.

>>52132249
>>52132304
The winning sequence in that scenario is:
1) sacrifice the 2-drop with Pod to fetch Pestermite and untap Pod with Pestermite's ability
2) sacrifice the 1-drop with Pod to fetch Phantasmal Image, which enters the battlefield as Pestermite, once again untapping Pod
3) sacrifice Phantasmal Image (which has a CMC of 3, since it copies Pestermite) with Pod to fetch Restoration Angel
4) use Restoration Angel's ability to blink the original Pestermite and untap Pod for the third time
5) sacrifice Restoration Angel with Pod to fetch Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker

>>52132304
>>52132376

Thanks for the help my dudes! Also should Include the blink kitty?

>>52131868
stigma lasher

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>>52132403
>blink kitty
wut

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>>52132403
this man

>>52132420
FUcking shit i replied to my oWn post
!>>52132420
>>52132461

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God damn, Gruul Wort is bananas.

>end up with 18 0/1 Plants off Avenger of Zendikar and Parallel Lives
>topdeck Boundless Realms next turn
>Conspire it to fetch every basic in the deck
>tokens are 31/32s by start of combat
>Mega-Plants bumrush everyone for the win

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>Feel like I'm using too many sorceries/instants instead of creatures for reanimator sedris and using mediocre lands
>Can't bring self to cut the fat on some of them because I suck at it

>>52132610
post a link?

>>52126646
if you're playing red you have access to a lot of haste already. concordant crossroads on the other hand is a lot better and lets you use all greens beaters and elves and shit the turn they drop

>>52132201
Welp

Who's a fun mono-black commander? My group is starting to hate my "take a 5-minute turn for massive combos" shit, so probably someone who can just start bringing the slap via turning things sideways. I was thinking Marrow-Gnawer since my group isn't super high-tier on the competitive scale, and he looks fun anyway.

Or Zendikar Ob Nix. Shame he's not green

>>52131251
Please go actually talk to Sheldon Menery. No cards on the banlist are there because of powerlevel except Rofellos and Tinker.

>>52132718

E R E B O S

>>52132718
In order of Spike to Johnny
Xiaohou Dun
Kokusho
Chainer
Skithiryx
Sheoldred
Haakon

>>52132772
Tainted Remedy
Sorin Markov
Everlasting Torment, Stigma Lasher, and Havoc Festival if their in Rakdos
Also Infect.
If they're gonna gain life, you can make them pay for it.

>>52132839
There's bad and then there's running 6 cards that do the same thing as your commander but for more mana, more easily removable and they don't stack.

And then there's caring about lifegain in a 40 life format.

>>52132815
What's super-Spiky about Xiahou Dun? Is it because he can recur pretty much anything?

Also Chainer looks pretty tight. My group LOVES creatures.

>>52129851

>I want my colors to do things it dosent normally!

Holy fuck you suck

>>52132718
Sidisi is your commander, then use whatever you want originally. And don't forget your C A B A L C O F F E R S

>>52132974
Hey that's not a bad idea. I have a couple copies of her too, from a surprisingly decent Exploit deck I had when we still played 60-card

>>52132929
He directly rewards playing stronger cards. Yawgmoth's Will on one card is sometimes all you need when that card could be Vampiric Tutor or Entomb.

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Nice fast Mana start you got there
Would be a shame if something happened to it

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New thread when?

>>52133037
Oh no now I have to choose between untapping my turn 1 Sol Ring or untapping my turn 1 Mana Crypt.

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>>52132815
You forgot Braids, Cabal Minion.

>>52133055
dab

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>>52125599
>>52125786
>>52126043
>>52126122
ITT: people who suck at Magic. /tg/ As usual.

>>52133192
I feel like a lot of the people who say it's symmetrical have never played with Smokestack/Braids. Having the opponent always sac first and being able to stop anytime by saccing the engine is insane.

So for Alters that are meant to be printed onto Vinyl sheets like these: http://imgur.com/a/SZC4Q
And overlaid on top of Acetone'd foil cards, is it more common to do this yourself if you manage to have a nice enough printer, or are there existing commission sources to use? I only ask because any sort of cursory search for 'Mtg Alter' produces nothing but Tumblr-tier border extension with watercolors for above 50$.

>>52126034
I won't fight you, I agree bolt's pretty good, though I don't play it in everything due to space. I agree with most things you said besids Mirri's Guile I think, including building low to the ground without any other direction strategically given by the commander or strategy i'm going for. I like the feeling of curving out it feels efficient.

>>52126034
there are people on /edhg/ RIGHT NOW that don't put Lightning Bolt in EVERY red deck they build

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Food chain combo deck gets me horn. Though combo is boring as fuck to play against.

>>52133292
delete this

Well, I wanted to play some control-heavy deck after getting thoroughly stomped by combo last week, and ended up with this list. Any glaring mistakes?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/12-03-17-bolas-edh/

Is there a list of universal "must have" cards I can look at?

>>52133298
y

>>52133329

DELET NAO

>>52133192
>t. Assblasted crybaby
Stop having a deck with average cmc of 7.

>>52132634
Oops my bad was cookin here ya go.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/unerf-v2/

>>52133302
Edhrec has a list of staples in every color that's a bit wonky, but pretty deece.

New thread when?

>>52133383
Cry more about your banned waifu.

NEW THREAD

>>52133868
>>52133868
>>52133868
>>52133868

Question: is there a website / app like tapped out which functions as a deck builder but also lists all the sets a card was printed in under/near each card? Looking through folders at the FLGS takes long enough without looking up which set every single card was printed in

>>52129790
I think they will go for wedges again, it gives them more freedom when it comes to partners. Since we got only enemy colors partners so expect allied colors partner + 2 mono colored partners in each deck

>>52134649
>only
Fug i meant we have a lot more enemy colors partners than allied colors

>>52130952
>Spicy Thromok tech
Thanks anon.

>>52134649
>Partner
>EVER being used again

Just like Command Zone matters, or Commander Planeswalkers, or Experience Counters, right?