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Anyone have that collage of the Mogis 8rack deck?

POST YOUR FAVORITE UNDERDOG COMMANDER

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>>52027889

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>>52027889
Me against the world.

>>52027921
Is this yours? Did you do it yourself or is there someone I can pay to do it?

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>>52027707
>My deck's anthem
https://youtu.be/EPOIS5taqA8

>>52028009
It's not mine, that image gets posted a lot. It's fairly simple to do though.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNfcwVov8c4

>>52028117
>outdated wording

Get with the times anon.

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>>52027707
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frAEmhqdLFs

Karona best (false) god

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>>52028078
Do you think it can be done with Game Day foils?

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>>52027707
>What's your deck's anthem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDXgbdhj5Zc

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV9uCOobpHU

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>>52027889
The name of the deck is "swamps matter".

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>>52027707
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZsUAqaOiHU

>>52028216
>TFW you slam an opponent for 10 damage with three eldrazi Titans in hand

>>52028174
Sure, you still need about 5-7 copies though. Might want to practice on some commons you have a bunch of before you take an exactoknife to cards you care about.

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So what are some fun spicy tech I can do with this guy in Mono-Brown? Looking up combos only brings up he Time Sieve one and that doesn't do me much good. I guess it makes for good Ashnod's Altar fodder.

>>52028331
He doesn't strictly combo with anything besides Time Sieve.

>>52028216
I would have gone with Hellbent for Leather personally.
>>52028273
Good man.

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>>52027889
Is Kruphix considered

>>52028284
yup lol that's why I love this guy

>>52028319
I was hoping to commission it, I think I would absolutely butcher it and probably send myself to the emergency room with that exacto knife while I'm at it. Is there an /edhg/ approved alterist? Also tfw Paradox Engine goes off with just about anything.
>Engine, Mana Rocks and buyback spells for infinite mana
>Engine, Mana Rocks and Future Sight/Melek to cast library
I sincerely hope this gets banned, because what I'm doing with it is disgusting and I'm not even Elfball or Slivers.

52027707
Don't really know a fitting song for old zirilian yet, do any of you anons have any ideas?

>>52028605
Where Dragons Rule by DragonForce?

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>>52027707
I'm not really sure the reputation this guy has in other groups, but he's become my main deck and successfully strikes fear into the heart of my opponents.

At first, they look confused.
>What is this buck-toothed donkey thing?
>A mono blue guy that puts lands in? Okay, weird.
>Oh. I see. There are dumb moon people that have to bounce lands to use their abilities and this helps. Bad deck....

And then the fucking Sunder drops and two bitches someone gets hit in the dome piece with 22 commander damage thanks to Adventuring Gear while my 25/25 Wind-rider Eel savages the corpse of the other guy.

Not to mention there are 4-5 ways to combo off for other wins lurking in the deck.

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>>52028430
>Second most played Simic commander
>Second most played Theros God

Pharika is more underdog than Kruphix

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>>52028618
thanks anon

>>52028722
Anytime nerd.

>>52028653
Who is letting you resolve a Sunder of all cards?

>>52028671

>Nylea
JUST

I'm so glad EDH is a thing. It's like the cards themselves have become tard wranglers for the betterment of the game.

>>52028748
Considering the other options mono-G has and the fact that even for a mono-G card she's utterly boring I'm not surprised no one is bothering with her.

>>52028737
>Who is letting you resolve a Sunder of all cards?
>Monoblue

I am pretty sure he is the one allowing him to resolve Sunder.

>>52028777
Well meme'd friend :^)

>>52028777
thanks i cum on cat she hiss at penis

>>52028671
>Pharika
>115 decks
>one of them is mine

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>>52028208
https://youtu.be/w3Hn8ywmjEI

>>52028777
What did Kek mean by this?

>>52028777
>those trips
I have become EDH, King of the Autistic Masses.

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>>52027707
>What's your deck's anthem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY

>>52028653
I prefer his counterpart, Meloku, because he generates tokens that I can use with Mass Polymorph to tutor every creature in my deck. Either way you go, soratami are a stronk tribe in edh.

The combo potential is absurd.

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>>52027707
>Thread topic
What's your deck's anthem?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49FWp7WLYKw&index=21&list=PLc_7WQpuDJ_-gGBXf49L2J-9Yxy__y5B5

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L90dy5lUh5I

>>52028208
That was good

anyone here ever use puca trade? is ie legit?

>>52028208
Gross. I'm ashamed to be a Marduchesa comrade.

>>52029004
Could you post a list? I always have wanted to do pirate tribal.

Is xmage missing cards? I've tried to add Soldevi Sentry and Phyrexian Portal to my deck, but they don't seem to be there. How do I add them?

>>52029088
There are virtually no pirates.

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>Anthem
https://youtu.be/75zmIj_4LFQ

>>52029236
I can't fucking wait for that deck reprint.

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How do I prevent effects like Languish playing a non-blue token deck? I have a few cards like Heroic Intervention in to get save them from destruction-based boardwipes, but toughness 0 gets around that. Is there any easy way to get around it besides counterspells?

>>52029127
Yes, xmage is missing quite a few cards. I think they upload them one at a time by hand, so as you can imagine a lot of stuff slips through the cracks. I think they do updates and add them in bits and pieces along the way.

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Well shoot, how am I supposed to combo out with my opponent's deck if I can't force them to draw cards?

>>52029273
>Is there any easy way to get around it besides counterspells?

not really. I used rootborn defenses liberally during the time Supreme Verdict was standard legal, but Languish is a bitch to get around. My best bet is to slow-roll your threats, and prioritize creatures with 5+ toughness

>>52029282
Confirmed, they only do it a few at a time. Here's the forum thread where they are deciding on which cards to add in the next update: http://www.slightlymagic.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=20154&sid=34fed1d6144361e114d9dfedb213f051

>>52029004
>Pirate EDH
>anthem isn't https://youtu.be/GXoZsgNHquM or any other Alestorm song

>>52028982
I run Meloku in the Deck, for sure. His combo potential is amazing, but other than some of the Moonfolk and a few utility wizards my decks is pretty light on creatures.

I like running Patron as the a commander because you need a reliable way to put your lands back out with the bouncing you do with the other cards. You can flash him in too, which is nice.

>>52028737
>implying I'd let them stop me.
I'm not as control heavy as I could be for mono blue, that's true, but I usually save a counter or some kind of protection for when I go in for the kill. Furthermore, it's all about timing.

There are a lot of very aggressive decks in my meta, while this deck goes from very passive to explosive. Much of the time most of the table HAS to expend their resources holding back the very aggressive decks who would win more quickly. I benefit from this by holding back my big plays until Izzet storm or Black reanimator or whoever blew their wad too soon and got shut down by the rest of the table who is now low on gas. But that's just simple multiplayer magic pacing. Those kind of rules hold true for any deck. But that's just kind of the style I lean towards. Try to keep at least one good answer in hand at all times, never look threatening until it's too late for them to do anything about it.

>>52029273
Lifeforce, Order of the Sacred Torch, Thrull Wizard, Mana Tithe, Thrull Wizard to counter the spell itself.

Otherwise play anthems, anthems errywhere and mass +1/+1 counter cards like Archangel of Thune, most of the Ajani, Avenger of Zendikar, Cathar's Crusade, Gleam of Battle, Collective Effort, Decree of Savagery, etc.

>>52029484
Woops, listed Thrull Wizard twice, ignore that.

>>52028653
List?

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>>52029273
Just play counterspells.
Pic related saved me the other day when the chaos player tried to kill the table using hivemind and a Pact. I countered the pact he forced me to cast and went on with things.

I always like running off color counterspells or off color effects. No one really expects it. But it's so satisfying to see the look in their face when they think they're good to go "Only the mono white or mono red player has any mana open. I can't be stopped."

Then watch the look on their face as you cast Lapse of Certainty or flash in a Null Brooch.

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>>52029273
Also try this gem if you're in green or Seleysnia. Combo with Eight-and-a-half Tails for Seleysnia hard control.

>>52029577
Wouldn't everyone else have gotten a Lapse of Certainty though? Which would have probably gotten your Lapse countered?

How do your playgroups do proxies? Mine allows people to use a few proxies but I feel like that is opening up the table for someone to start to proxy stuff just because they can and not really care about ever getting the cards.

>>52029088
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-man-the-myth-the-legend-1/

i was too lazy to list everything but all the basic island have storms or beaches on them and all the swamps look...swampy
all the mana rocks are foil(fucking needlessly expensive) except sol ring(hunting for a masterpeice) and i dont have a foil star compass
>>52029193
theres like 20

>>52027082
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>>52027208
>twin
>competitive
>implying that sorcery speed infinite that relies on fucking combat damage is competitive
Also,
>there exist faggots that think that Grenzo Doomsday that rely on Kiki+Conscipts combo pile is competitive
>implying combat can be competitive in E, D and H

>>52029638
I don't care for them, but my group is ok with them as long as people don't get too crazy so I don't make a fuss.

>>52029273
Mass pumps.

>>52029543
I don't have a list lying around at the moment.

I run 38 lands, 30 Islands. The rest are some utility you can season to taste.

A good amount of the Moonfolk, but not all of them. Meloku as mentioned. Floodbringer. The manaleak guy, the untap lands one, the shroud one, I can't remember what else. A few other wizards like Azami, Arcanis, Trinket Mage, and Vedalken Aethermage.

Some mana rock ramp. Some landfall guys like Windrider Eel and Wave Wing Elemental and Guardian of Tazeem. Also Retreat to Coralhelm. Huge combo potential or control piece against creature decks.

Some other land bouncing spells like Gush and Thwart. Usual suite of blue counter magic, draw spells, and some bounces for spot removal. A few useful clone effects.

Amulet of Vigor is a must-have for the deck, too. If you can stick sunder that's a game ender . You can combo off with infinite tokens, life gain, mana, and capsize boards. Land fall trigger to smack people with Adventuring Gear or BIG FISH.

>>52029678
Fucking kill yourself.

>>52029660
No Piracy?
I mean, it's not too impressive of a card, sure.
But it's useful for stopping other people from interfering with your plays for a turn.
Cast it Main Phase 1 to force them to either tap out in response or lose their mana to you, then wait until your Main Phase 2 (to empty the mana pools of anyone that did tap out in response) to cast your own stuff and use their lands (since Piracy is until end of turn).

>>52029678
Competitive is literally all combo.

I listed the viable combo decks that are Tier 0-1 earlier in that reply chain. However the decks you listed are in fact trash.

>>52029460
Yeah, I run patron as part of the combo in the meloku deck, and he comes in with the mass polymorph. It's a fairly creature light deck, to the point that having meloku and 3 tokens is fairly likely to get a strong combo or outright win the game when I polymorph.

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>>52029678
> competitive EDH

>>52029631
Yeah. You're right. Looks like our Chaos player was a dummy and didn't know his own cards. He thought, and said, that hive mind only forced the table to copy spells he was casting.

That game was such a cluster, though, with all the chaos effects he had played I can't really remember WHAT the board state was like.

Had the table all copied Lapse like Hive Mind actually reads, each player would have (presumably) targeted their own copy of Pact while the Chaos player would have used his to counter one other player's Lapse so they would still die during their upkeep to the pact trigger. So instead of being a table kill, it would have been a single player kill on the Chaos player's part. Me or one of the other 2 players.

At any rate, I still find Lapse to be a really useful card.

>>52029730
i had it in the deck but 99% of the time it was dead
and noone bothers to disrupt me anyways most of the cards are terrible
>>52029404
listening to alestorm inspired me to make the deck but i thought maritime folk music was more fitting

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>>52027707
https://youtu.be/Ahfb7M7jYvA

>>52029678
Combos that rely on the combat step can definitely be competitive. But traditional aggro can't.

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>>52027707
https://youtu.be/66QcIlblI1U

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https://youtu.be/aqm-S9J1s_k

>>52029678
Twin is a competitive combo and having to deal combat damage is irrelevant because it's infinite hasty and sometimes even flying dudes. The problem with having to deal combat damage normally is when you're dealing with non-infinite non-haste creatures.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMWi7CLoZ2Q

>>52029874
it should be this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iqxzURgQWg

>>52029874
got a list?

>>52029320
>>52029484
>>52029577
>>52029601
Thanks for the suggestions, guys. I'll try some of that. Didn't realize off-color counterspells could be somewhat viable either.

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https://youtu.be/nL9UGq63sJw

>>52029940
hearty kek

>>52029789
>At any rate, I still find Lapse to be a really useful card.
Oh definitely. I try to slot it into every white deck I make that doesn't have blue.

>>52029273
Fresh Meat, it works with tokens

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>true man's world
https://youtu.be/N9JN4aqMduo

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>>52027707
Softlock with stax effects, then drop Ichor Rats or Armageddon Clock and watch the clock tick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v54cX5rC8Pg

>>52029890
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>>52029975
But what if someone fogs? You automatically lose.

>>52029988
I like that song more fore crazy Avacyn. Orphan of Kos sounds more hopeless and like the Orphan Emrakul is really unhappy about her current situation on Innistrad.

>>52030007
I didn't make the list but it suits my needs.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-beginning-of-the-end-2/

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>>52027889
Always and forever.

>>52030376
No, you just don't win that turn. What if someone disenchants your artifact based combo?

Every combo has an axis of interaction by which it can be disrupted.

>>52030376
Good thing competitive players don't play fog generally speaking barring niche cases like spike weaver. RUG is the most common color combination that I've seen play twin combos which is fully capable of dealing with both spell-based fogs as well as stuff like spike weaver and spore frog.

>>52030069
I actually really consider playing mana tithe but I think it'd be better if your meta is more tuned and people are doing powerful things from beginning to end rather than the typical picture people pain of commander where people are just ramping or doing nothing in the first 4 turns/

>>52030376
Why the fuck did you reply to me? I told you Twin is trash in commander.

The actual worry here is that in competitive you'll be against three people with Pact/Force/Swords/Path in hand and no way of getting through that.

>>52027889
If i want to play commander but can't play the physical game, should i build a Magic Online commander deck? Or does no one play that format online?

>>52030446
But that's wrong. You don't have any cards in your library after Doomsday. Unless you play it wrong of course

>>52030793
I know it's played plenty on Cockatrice.

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>>52027707
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q6d4isGk73o
Combos, thopters, and big robots

>>52030840
Grenzo decks have a pretty easy time adding cards to their library. Sounds like you're playing it wrong.

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>>52027707

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRmwFBK0cyk

>>52030910
But Grenzo Doomsday is a bad deck

So if i want to play Mono-W voltron should i put Sram at the wheel and 8.5 Tails in the 99 or the other way around?
>inb4 Kemba is best voltron
i get a boner everytime i look at her bolt-ons, i just can't

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>>52031951
If you're doing Mono-W Voltron why not Odric? Load him up with keyword Auras/Equips and go to town with weenies at the side.

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>>52031951

I like 8.5 better, think about that sweet, sweet protection

>>52032021
This is the Odric for going wide

>>52032021
I thought about that but i have already too many token based decks, i would like to run a more classic voltron

>>52032021
Not him, but Sram is has unparalleled card draw in Mono-W.

Odric has no abilities of his own, provides no anthem, isn't a source of tokens, has no card draw or ramp on him, and isn't nearly as survivable as other weenie Commanders.

A Sram deck can put the pedal to the metal with 2-3 mana.

>>52031951
Kemba+Sram=Best Mono-W EDH

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>having to cut the fun stuff out of deck to make it more consistent/decent
Feels horrid.

On that; What's some good ways for lifegain in Meren?
Thragtusk, Pelakka Wurm and Wurmcoil Engine?

>>52032250
How casual is your meta? If boards get cluttered Blood Artist does work.

>>52032250
Shamanic Revelation has it tacked on there. Since Meren reanimate fatties you should be gaining 10-15 life at least

>>52032250
Kokusho, Gary, Blood Artist (and to a lesser extent Zulaport Cuthroat).

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>>52027707
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulPgWVC08KI

>>52032188
I still want to build sram cheeri0s but every time i do test hands on deck stats the shit does not fucking work. Its more boring but he honestly might just be better as a pure value voltron.

Also thouggt about making yhe dexk about paradox engine + self bouncig enchantments to storm out instead of a whole deck of 0 drop equips and cost reducers but meh. I do play paradox engine but not the auras so i dont know if theyd work together.

>>52032295
I would have gone with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twQlpFrm5iM

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>>52032272
Problem with blood artist in my meta is that there's almost no token-decks and my meren deck doesn't have that many token producers
>>52032293
How could I forget Gary?
>>52032279
Shamanic Revelation is good, but I'm unsure of its lack of recurrability due to meren mostly getting back creatures.

Should I post tappedout?

>>52028331
Only other thing I can think of is Conspiracy.

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>playan Shu Yun against Nath hard discard, Kami Group Hug and some shitty UW Daxos deck
>Nath has Storm Cauldron out and a bunch of untapped Elves
>Everyone has bounced their own lands, sitting on 5 with no commander, things look bad
>topdeck a fucking Seething Song
>Pop a Ritual, into Seething Song, Reverberate in response
>recast Shu Yun with 6 red mana floating
>Reckless Charge, Flashback, Rush of Adrenaline in response
>bring the fucking heat on Nath
>just enough to get through to 21

Kung Fu Wizard is the fucking best commander

>>52032295
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_EVKy35L7MM
Missed opportunity

>>52032452
Just run E wit. Reanimate eternal witness whenever you need cards/life and grab Shamanic.

>>52032295
My group bought all the C16 precons, and the one weirdly homophobic guy was late to the party so he got stuck with Gay Kings

He keeps wanting to trade it for the Yidris deck I have

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>>52032580
>not wanting forced diversity in your favorite card game
>homophobic

>>52032528
>playing emrakul
>ramp into it + storm cauldron turn 6
>choose the guy who has 18 lands out due to stupid amounts of ramp
>he's tapped out
>Untap, look at his hand
>It's a bunch of nothing+wrath of god
>Wrath his board, then bounce all his lands to hand,
>leave him with a hand full of lands, and literally nothing on board

Emrakul is the best commander.

>>52032606
He doesn't know the characters are gay, I just think it's funny that the guy who actually hates the gays with a strange intensity got stuck with the faggiest deck of the cycle

>>52030561
Funny enough I actually have Mana Tithe in there already just to see if I could pull anything off with it.

Is the anon that has a Jin-Gitaxias eldrazi deck here? If so, do you have a list?

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>>52027707
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtSC0d9tYLE&index=12&list=LLMSVbkKDN5hIAiWOZ7Qlpuw

>>52032945
I've always wanted to build this guy but I wouldn't know how. I also already have an artifacts deck.

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>>52032870
Yeah I'm here, but all i got is the older version.
There are more solid blue cards that can be added, but I'm wary of diluting too much of the deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jingos-colorless-engine/

>>52033001
Link the rest of that comic

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>>52033001
>>52032870

Also, since that version I've added in:
vedalken archmage
Etherium sculptor
padeem

>>52028208
I CRINGED

>tfw you Genesis wave and flip out a panharmonicon
>and eternal witness
>and conjurer's closet
On the down side, it puts a target on you pretty quickly

>>52033001
Which better blue cards would be good to add? I was thinking of maybe reverse engineer but what else?

Also thanks for replying.

>>52033129
If it's because you're imagining a politics/pillow fort deck tuned, primarily, to set the rest of the table at each other's throats while making coming for me an uphill struggle, mission accomplished

If it's because I used music from a stupid guilty pleasure web animation that happened to be on the nose to call that out... you know what I'm going to say mission still accomplished.

if it's because said stupid web animation has a cancerous fandom, it only reinforces my theory that EVERY fandom is cancer and the only winning solution is to never look past the media itself. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

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working on a Riku clone/copy deck with some artifact elements to it. I think I want to add Tezzeret, the Seeker in, but I'm having some trouble finding room.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/k-a-l-e-i-d-o-s-c-o-p-e/

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hey guys deckbox building fuckhead here

i'm entertaining the possibility of building a 1150 card box for a friend of mine for his cube, and i'm wondering what kind of art to put on the top. i think i'm going to stencil an ornamental frame to line both the top and the bottom of the box, but i think i should also put some kind of MTG related art in the middle of that frame as well. i'd like it to be something abstract and modest in terms of design.

pic related is the last box i built for reference. i like the coalition insignia but it's a little garish in hindsight and i was wondering if there was something similar but less on the nose

>>52033660
Urza's Rune
Thran Symbol
Phyrexian Symbol/Watermark
Crying Mask of Yawgmoth/Apocalypse Expansion Symbol
Just about any other Expansion symbol (No Nth edition, Magic 20xx, or Visions. But maybe Origins?)

>>52033660
put lewd lilianan on it or lewd ajani

also make me a box that holds other boxes, ill pay you moneis

>>52033803
Liliana with a microphone laying across a piano being played by a zombie

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Deck Builders, I have a request for you all:

I'm creating an RPG campaign for some friends and I'm looking for NPCs for them to run into. I can weave personalities for them well enough but I only have a few decks cooked up right now. Can someone give me a suggestion or two for decks they can do battle with?
I just need two things from the lists:
-80% Power decks, anything highly tuned or competitive would be too much for them to handle on a regular basis.
-No instant win decks. Combos are okay but things like Door to Nothingness, Felidar Sovereign/Test of Endurance, and Biorhythm are no bueno.

Here's my example:
(pic related)
An NPC who is the leader of a nomadic tribe of assorted slaves and tribe members. The deck would be piloted by Yasova Dragonclaw, focused on taking the opponent's creatures for value.

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Pet cards you won't drop from your deck?

Pic related for me in mimeoplasm, I love this guy as a discard outlet, and early blocker, and a regen trampler for the slime to target if need be.

>>52033832
i was joking but ya do this

>>52033949
>Zurgo ALL THE WRATHS
>Leovold doing his usual Dark Deal/Wheel and Deal routine

>>52033832
T H I S
H
I
S

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>>52033958
Good fucking taste. Pic related is auto in for any deck with green. Just a superb creature and I love him. Thrun can compliment just about any strategy.

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I have a friend who bought the Yidris precon. He enjoys the cascading aspect of the deck but wishes it was more burn heavy. Any idea's on what to add?

>>52034599
>burn heavy
The fuck? I guess storming off counts as burn, but that's a terrible idea. Just throw in 5-10 splashy burn spells and enjoy never using them.

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>>52027889
DOG DOG DOG

>>52027707
One fucking job.
Name the thread or subject EDH so it can be found in the catalog easily. Everything else is just fluff.

>>52034599
Make it more stormy and then add a copy of Grapeshot.

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>>52027889

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>>52033958
I'll never cut this from my non-combo Mikaeus, or really any big black deck I make. I swear upon it being a good card.

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Am I a bad person for building Jeleva if it's only to punish a bunch of super greedy Narset decks at my LGS?

What are some good colorless wincons for Karn, Silver Golem to use with infinite mana besides Staff of Domination and Staff of Nin, Walking Ballista, and Karn, Liberated ultimate?

>>52035840
At first I thought it was Graverobber and was going to praise you for good taste. But now I'm just sad...

>>52035953

I don't think people worry about jeleva herself, she's just the only grixis commander who has any chance of being worth casting for a grixis storm deck. Grixis storm is insanely strong but Jeleva is just okay, I don't think you'll see much hate if you build a non-storm jeleva

>look up Patron of the Moon on EDHREC
>25% of decks are running Horn of Greed
This website is like the EDH comedy hour.

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>>52035953
No, do it. I'm building pic related to punish the guys in my playgroup who are playing cutthroat Stax decks.
Gave me an excuse to pick up a Mana Crypt too.

>>52035969
Cloudstone Curio + anything that has a useful cast/etb + one other creature.
Non-artifact is a downside for Karn, but there's definitely Eldrazi worth running anyways, especially in an infinite mana deck

>>52033949
New Odric and the knights of the round. Most knights and many soldiers have the keywords he lists.

>>52035969
Blightsteel beatdown

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ncnKjZzOPs

>>52030793
Late answering but it's probably the 2nd most popular format behind draft. I play almost exclusively on MTGO and it never takes more than 30 seconds to find a 4 way ffa game.

Which deck should I make next, /edhg/? Dralnu, noyan dar or Alesha?

>>52036426
Dralnu

>>52034153
Leovold sounds like a fantastic idea! I plan on having a BBEG with some direct underlings. Leovold sounds like someone who would help the heroes if they can prove their strength to him.
>>52036088
Sounds like a good idea. I'm going to use Adrianna as one of the boss characters, one step below the BBEG. Odric 2.0 sounds good as an NPC to assist the characters as a plot twist.

>>52036426
Dralnu because Paradox Engine and Iso Scepter + Dramatic Reversal could possibly net you a huge mana engine for Dralnu to cast everything in hand then recast it from the grave.

anyone have a good reference for an ezuri claw of progress deck?

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>>52027707
ill play along.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md3B3I7Nmvw

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>>52027889

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7y19ED6Vrk

the song has nothing to do with Squee, I just like it

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>>52027707
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgcc5V9Hu3g

>>52037390
wtf no elesh norn? step it up.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/surrak-smash-2/

where the fuck did i go wrong with this pile of garbage

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>>52037502
give in to temptation

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>>52037502
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/surrak-smash-2/
>That mana curve

>>52037502
>8 ramp spells, some not even that good
>Twenty one 6+ drops

Balance in all things, anon

>>52037514
as no one has an extra i know, i cannot build him. i have toyed with the idea of putting him in surrak though

>>52037549
ive tried balancing it out but i really have no clue on how to build a deck like this

>>52037388
Squee's anthem should probably be Dare to be Stupid.

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>>52027889
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mannichi-edh-3/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4FG_xZAzsQ

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I love this old man.

>>52037799
This deck is really interesting, i don't think I've ever seen one like it.

>>52035953
Jeleva is my waifu. Go forth with my blessings.

>>52037895
Thanks Anon

>>52037741
That'd be more of a general goblin theme song.

how do I make Mizzix more fun? I have plenty of counterspells, but I need more draw and more FIRE. I can burn people for so much but it's never ENOUGH

Any there any mass graveyard recycling/recursion cards in Jund colors other than Seasons Past and Elixir of immortality?

>>52038005
Praetor's council?

>>52038018
Counsel* whoops

>>52037998
do what my mizzix player does, lighting bolt pyretic ritual and reiterate for an infinite combo if you have enough exp counters to kill everybody. that'll get ya exactly as much burn as you'll want and it stops when you're done.

>>52038045
I do that. It's not enough.

>>52038053
well then I've got nothing for you. blasphemous act?

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>>52029874
Funny how accurate this is for the actual card game now too

>>52033001
Man

Tezz has to constantly deal with this shit and Bolas

No wonder he was so on edge during Kaladesh

>>52038005
You are in Jund. One of the best color identities for recursion in Magic. So yes, quite a few.

Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Blightsteel Colossus, Cranial Archive, Creeping Renaissance, Darksteel Colossus, Feldon's Cane, Forbidden Crypt, Gaea's Blessing, Inverter of Truth, Lich's Mirror, Loaming Shaman, Magus of the Will, Morality Shift, Nostalgic Dreams, Perpetual Timepiece, Piper's Melody, Praetor's Counsel, Primal Command, Seasons Past, and Serene Remembrance, just to name a few off the top of my head.

Here, take a look:
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?page=0&action=advanced&format=+%5B%22Commander%22%5D&color=+!%5BW%5D+!%5BU%5D&text=+%5Bgraveyard%5D

>>52037502
Bumping for clarity

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>>52038276

>>52038053
You know what, no, I'm gonna suggest my favorite burn card. A little beauty called arcbond.

Arcbond is lovely. Arcbond encourages you to pay attention anytime its in your hand and you have the mana. Arcbond lets you hijack anything from a burn spell to a creature attack to piss everybody off. Arcbond lets you chump block with a 1/1 flyer and suddenly burn everybody for 20 when they weren't thinking it was going to happen. Arcbond turns blasphemous acts into fucking murder cauldrons. Arcbond lets you murder the board in all sorts of fun little ways that you won't even realize until some dumb fucker blocks with a deathtouch creature and you just start laughing and laughing.

One of my favorite moments in magic was gaining 400 life from my opponent blocking a lifelinker with malignus. I didn't care that all my lands got blown up that turn by a sydri player everyone should have been focusing on, I just told the table to pay attention properly to a boros deck because sometimes shit can get real and you can randomly dome the entire table and every creature for 24.

>>52037799
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mannichi-edh-3/
This is legit one of the neatest things I've seen in a while. Wish people built more unusual commander decks like this.

>>52038362
this is beautiful, thank you.

>>52038053
>>52038362
Radiate

>>52038373
Part of the reason you don't see more decks like it is that even when the cards exist to make something powerful out of jank, it is often prohibitively expensive to build. Look at the price tag on that deck. Sure, I've managed to put together a mono-red pillow-fort deck, but it cost me a fair bit.

>>52036041
How does one build Zur anyway? What's the wincon?

>>52036041
Ugh, that art is terrible. Original Zur is far superior.

stupid question, but I'm trying to figure out how to actually win with an azorius pope deck. I typically play in multiplayer games, so mill doesn't really feel viable...I do have Azorius elocuters, but how the shit am I supposed to avoid taking damage for 5 turns from more than 2 enemies?

>>52038594
If you're in multiplayer with blue/white Azorius, you can try to just slow down your opponents and make it easier for them to kill one another.
Focus your debuff/debilitating effects on whomever is winning, and let the other players whittle them down. Repeat until 1v1 and then just lock the last enemy down with bullshit.

>>52038594
>but how the shit am I supposed to avoid taking damage for 5 turns from more than 2 enemies?
Pillowfort and politic your fucking face off. UW has tons of prison, tax and pillowfort effects to get you there.

>>52038566
All the cmc 3 or less auras, then win by commander damage with Zur himself thanks to the ridiculous number of "protection from _" and "_ can't be blocked" and "_ has double strike" auras in WUB.

>>52035969
Infinite mana in Karn, you say?
Mycosynth Lattice + Karn himself = nobody ever has any lands.

>>52038739
That's the fun way. There's the Doomsday/LabMan route too

>>52038566
Typically Voltron, just keep hitting people with Zur until commander damage takes them out.

>>52038594
U/W has a good token potential, you can go for sheer numbers and a win on the ground.

Also you have blue, so... Planar Portal + Beacon of Tomorrows.

Alternatively: Barren Glory, Darksteel Reactor, Felidar Sovereign, Laboratory Maniac, Mechanized Production, and Test of Endurance are all alternate win-con cards available to you.

You could also take the Stasis route and just lock people down with stuff like Winter Orb, Temporal Distortion, etc.

If you want to prevent all damage dealt to you, here are some resources: Ajani Steadfast, Battletide Alchemist, Channel Harm, Charm Peddler, Cho-Arrim Alchemist, Comeuppance, Cover of Winter, Dawn Charm, Encircling Fissure, Endure, Energy Field, Energy Storm, Forcefield, Glacial Chasm, Guardian Seraph, Haazda Shield Mate, Hedron-Field Purists, Hidden Retreat, Inner Sanctum, Invulnerability, Kor Haven, Ith, High Arcanist, Maze of Ith, Martyr's Cause, Opal-Eye, Konda's Yojimbo, Orbs of Warding, Palliation Accord, Pay No Heed, Pentagram of the Ages, Plated Pegasus, Prahv, Spires of Order, Purity, Reverse Damage, Rhystic Circle, Righteous Aura, Riot Control, Safe Passage, Selfless Squire, Sivvi's Ruse, Solitary Confinement, Soratami Cloud Chariot, Statecraft, Vengeful Archon, Winter's Chill.

Also if you want to run Azor's Elocutors, be proactive about it and use counter increasing tech: proliferate, Animation Module, Clockspinning, Deepglow Skate, and Skyship Plunderer.

>>52038460
Whew! Hadn't looked at the price on that thing.You make a very fair point.

Still, it saddens me that in more casual metas, where an unorthodox deck far less tuned than yours could probably still be viable, people still seem to gravitate toward "good stuff." At least in my experience.

Most of my regular playgroup seems to just pull the same-old bog-standard staples off EDHREC, while I'm over here trying to polish up a list for Vhati il-Dal.

>>52038566
Casually, a lot of people play him as a Voltron commander, apparently. Or you can just use him as an enabler for a pillowfort deck, or some other kind of enchantment-focused jank,

Competitively, he's a combo commander, with the potential to tutor up combo pieces or just grab you game-winning "good stuff" like Necropotence.

>>52037863
I can't bring myself to build a deck around him, even though he's so cool. What does he go well with as a part of the 99?

>>52038808
If I had to give advice as to getting your playgroup to do interesting things, try and get them to build around commanders from Kamigawa block. There is some weird and crazy shit in there.

A few more of my weirder decks:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sekki-seasons-guide-edh-3/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shimatsu-the-bloodcloaked-edh/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-02-17-dakkon-blackblade-edh/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/12-01-17-titania-edh/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/maraxus-of-keld-edh-1/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/horobi-death-by-stupid-edh/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/chisei-affordable-upkeep-edh/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/yosei-sacrificial-edh/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/melira-sylvok-outcast-edh-1/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-10-16-darien-king-of-kjeldor-edh/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/maga-traitor-to-mortals-edh-3/

>>52038895
I've never even fucking seen Chisei. It seems like every once in a while I'll see a random legend I've never seen from Kamigawa.

>>52038362
I can attest that Arcbond is a wonderful card. I have a Queen Marchesa deck that revolves around effects like Boros Reckoner and other stuff that redirects damage. Arcbond can come out of nowhere and hit the table for way more damage than anyone was expecting. It's a super fun card.

>>52039251
I've always wanted to do a cumulative upkeep deck with Chisei

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In honor of the return of Samurai Jack, I've been considering commissioning an alter and building a deck based around Aku.

My question: what legendary creature best fits the evil being?

>>52039693
Too bad pillar tombs of Aku or Aku Djinn aren't legendaries

Mimeoplasm

>>52039693
Purely in terms of appearance:
Adamaro, First to Desire
Erebos, God of the Dead
Horobi, Death's Wail
Johan
Kothophed, Soul Hoarder
Kuro, Pitlord
Kyoki, Sanity's Eclipse
Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
Sedris, the Traitor King
Sheoldred, Whispering One

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>>52039693
>>52039747
>>52039804

>aku returned from being defeated in first ep
>akuta has "aku" in name

>>52039747
>>52039693

Aku really doesn't feel sultai to me...

But he definitely shapeshifts like the mime-o-slime

I feel like aku would be rakdos, or mono black.

Def not green, or white.

Maybeeeeee blue

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>>52039693

?

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>>52029273
Anyone say any of these?

>>52039693
>>52039747
Lazav for the Shapeshifter bit.

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>>52040031
Bar the Door is so fucking secret top tier
Also I didn't know Tower Defense existed and I just got a boner

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>>52038895
>"Oh this Maga deck looks fucking awesome"
>"Nice, nothing looks too expensive eith-
>$1100
>look at it again
>Candlebra

Hey guys, is my deck cool?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lazav-copy-and-such-copy-copy-copy-copy/

>>52040441
Just rock it without candlebra, it's going to make a deck with coffers and mana doublers better, sure. But it's something you get after you find those pieces, so it's a bit win more.

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Speaking of anthems, I want to make a "keywords soup" deck with Odric, Lunarch Marshal and pic related
The goal is to win by swinging with a ton of weenies and tokens with a lot of keywords

What are some must-have cards that can bring a bunch of keywords?
>White Akroma
>Akroma's Memorial
>Eldrazi Monument
What about equipments?

Also, any idea on how to get the non-primary white keywords, like Trample, Deathtouch, Menace and Hexproof/Shroud?

>>52041353
>this AND Odric
They do the same thing and don't stack though.

>what cards go good with Odric
Check edhrec.

>how to get nonwhite keywords
>equipment?
Yes. Not that your tokens need trample or Hexproof but whatever.

>>52041377
>They do the same thing and don't stack though.
Odric doesn't give landwalk and protection

>Not that your tokens need trample or Hexproof but whatever
Not my tokens but my "big" weenies could use Trample and the creatures with a specific keyword could use Hexproof/Shroud, same for Odric

>>52041437
It's still not going to do much if players can respond to the trigger with removal.

>>52038895
Nigga where are your anthems?
Sekki with an anthem can't die from damage, AND still makes tokens.

>>52027707
Should I get a box of Kaladesh and Aether revolt, one box of modern masters (2017,) or a box of eternal masters?

I am torn.

>>52041722
None of the above unless you're drafting, in which case Eternal Masters.

>>52041737
But I like opening boxes/packs.

I do know someone who would draft MM with me, and I know I could easily find another 6. Also I can get one for $211 shipped, so I could make like $30 off the whole endeavor.

>>52041774
Probably MM

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>>52041353
>Odric keyword soup
Oh boy

>>52041353
0/10, dies to removal.

>>52041774
If you just like opening packs for the sake of it and because it "feels" fun, and not for any kind of financial reasons it doesn't really matter what packs you crack for value.

If you really like gambling though and the rush you get from it I would find a box of the first print of OG zendikar, that way you have a chance at cracking a motherfucking black lotus, and you still have fetches to fall back on. Keep an eye on those prices, because boxes might have decreased in value a little after the reprints in MM, making it more affordable to gamble your way to a lotus.

>>52041878
>Die to removal meme
>In /edhg/

>>52041774
>make $30
EV is barely over $200 and dropping, I've got stores in my area pre-ordering for $183. Are you in Australia?

>>52041856
I don't have enough Slivers to make a Slivers keyword soup and I don't plan on buying any any time soon

>>52041878
So do most decks.

>>52041080
>Infinite mana is win more

It's a win con dude. Literally lets you kill the table with Maga no matter the life totals. That said, Candlelabra is really only necessary in super cutthroat metas (and personally I think a further subdivision of that is only with high tide decks) and is a bit wasted on a mediocre commander like Maga.

>>52042021
Goddam I'm in Japan and boxes were 30,000 yen (270 dollars) before spoilers. EM only went down to 24,000 yen as well.

>>52042497
Holy shit dude, read the Oracle text. You are wrong. In no way does it give you infinite mana.

Fucking retard.

>>52042497
You have to tap the candelabra to untap the lands. Yes, it gets you a lot of mana, but no, it doesn't go infinite any easier than doubling cube.

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>>52027707
>What's your deck's anthem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn0mvri-k1g

>>52042497
It's a mono artifact nooblet.

>>52041774
Modern Masters, EMA is pretty much a bust unless you crack a Force or Karakas.

>>52042910
Wait, even Karakas has crashed now.

Force, Jace or Crypt I guess.

>>52042910
Eh kinda. If you want the cards in EMA, go for it. Value whores are just trying to justify their gambling addiction. MM17 has a better list, but if you don't want anything outside of the money cards, you're in the same boat and might as well but singles.

>>52042961
I'm getting a MM17 to draft it, same as I did with EMA and every Masters set before that, but the EMA was a fucking huge disappointment to me valuewise. Got almost nothing to show for it, my most expensive card was a Vampiric Tutor.

>>52043000
I admit, I took a bath on EMA as well, but that being said, I got a lot of cool things. I basically pulled a full Uril enchantress deck, and wall of omens loves its life in Brago. I have no clue what I'm going to do with all of those rancors, but I'm sure they'll eventually find a deck. That being said, I have 3 tops, a sinkhole, an entomb and a bunch of other fringe playable things. It's not the worst, but I had fun cracking packs, and clearly singles is the best bet.

>>52037502
Google: "good mana curve in mtg"

>>52033660
>>52033832

This.

>>52033832
Fucking sweet

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>>52033958
The Evangel, due to its foiling being one of my favorites in the game.

>>52043000
>>52043073
I bought a box with 3 other friends to do 3 4 person drafts, and I pulled a foil force of will in the second one. My friends were really god damn salty about that one.

>>52037502
a pile of overcosted temur good stuff isn't really viable unless your name is animar

>>52038759
Holy shit that's disgusting

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>tfw Selvala's Stampede resolves on your side of the table
>While you have Titans in your hand and knows what's on the top due to Sylvan Library
I should put this in all my green decks

>>52030793
I play it and find regular games

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>>52033958
>Pet cards you won't drop from your deck?
All of my decks are in white
All of my decks run pic related regardless of how well it fits or how competitive the deck it

Have I lost more competitive games because its mostly a dead draw?
yes
Have I ever been sad to see it?
Nope!

>>52037502
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/surrak-smash-2/
seems like fun desu
I mean
waaay too many lands
too few ramp
too high of curve

but thats the kind of decks my playgroup has decided to play these days too.

>>52033958
>Pet cards you won't drop from your deck?
Wood Elemental in Gitrog Monster and Titania (who also features in Gitrog's 99). I know it's terrible but the look on peoples faces when I cast one of the infamous, perennial choices for worst card (or at least worst creature) ever printed and get actual benefit out of it is well worth the price of admission.

Orcish Settlers in Feldon. I run Feldon as rather Stax-y for starters. I pick settlers rather than any other element of the LD package because Invader Parasite doesn't self-dispose and Avalanche Riders is a 'known' factor, leaving Orcish the one most likely to provoke that beautiful "Wait a minute... oh you son of a BITCH!" response.

>>52043377
I added a Selvala's Stampede to my Big CMC deck.

>tfw you get Jin-Gitaxias, It That Betrays, Avacyn and Vorinclex into play for 4GG

I fucking love it.

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>>52033958

>>52033958
Nightscape familiar. Its one of my trustiest card and a lives up to its namesake. Im a little sad about the damnation reprint because he'll die more often now.

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>Friend plays degenerate deck
>Build perfect deck to beat him
>A week before my new deck is ready, he decides to build a new deck

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>>52044281
>Friend has 5 decks
>Every single one uses the same commander
>mfw

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>>52044304
what commander?

>>52044304
>Been playing Melek since he was printed
>Pimped my deck with MPS Izzet lands and nice foils
>Been looking at Dralnu
>Don't wanna take apart Melek deck, but playgroup will jump me in an alley if I show up with another spellslinger deck.
Anyone have a good Dralnu list?

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You have 10 seconds to justify not running this in every single one of your decks.

>>52044362
They don't run white.

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>>52044313

>>52044362

I would lose friends if I played this

>>52044353
I feel the same way about my Korlash deck

>First EDH deck I've ever made
>Spent 5 years slowly pumping it up
>Want to make another mono black deck but don't want to dismantle it.

>>52037502
>40 Land
This is OK. There's a reason some folks recommend 40 land as "industry standard", especially for higher curve decks, which yours is and you've got land synergies so you do want a lot
>Color
I gave it a few spins in the tappedout test-o-matic and found you had occasional issues with getting UU or RR for the cards that need them. Nothing terrible so far
>Dat Curve.
You have PAINFULLY little to do in the early turns. Again, test-o-matic Surrak was fairly often the first reasonable card I could resolve, and he'd come out on-curve at that. You want to be able to establish board presence faster and with more. This is where mana dorks, mana rocks, and ramp come in. You've got some but you've again focused on going big (as with Explosive Vegetation or Yavimaya Elder) rather than going NOW (As you would with, say, Search for Tomorrow or a Signet)
>Resource Shortfall
In the games where I was able to start casting shit, the deck ran out of gas terribly quick and without establishing what felt like enough of a presence. You are in U/G/x, you should have more card draw than this. One game out of perhaps a dozen quick texts I was able to lead with Temur Ascendency and follow that up with Soul of the Harvest to really get the engine running but you just don't have enough of these sorts of effects to expect them.
>Wat Do?
Cut some lands and some lands-matters cards like Khamal and the hydra. Replace them with rocks/dorks to get you to your functional level faster and some more draw, whether engines like Primordial Sage or one-and-done draws like Divination or Stroke of Genius. In general cut away 6+ cost dudes for cost 4-5 ones with decent effects so by late game you can break out of the dreary grey world of "one turn, one spell" Also you might want to think of dropping a few cards like Beastmaster (which is more of a Tokens card) that are potential blowouts but potential do-nothings for reliable workhorses.

>>52044450
I want to make a Mizzix deck, but I already have a Niv Mizzet deck, they would be pretty different but I don't want another deck in the same colors.

Also, my playgroup already complains that my decks are too tuned, I'd definitely make it worse with a spellslinger / storm deck

>>52044477
Just do what I do with insane commanders and make the decks retarded.

>>52044450
So don't dismantle it, make another. I've got three mono black decks, and they all play differently. Hell, if you're worried about staples, just switch them between decks.

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You're in your playgroup and you drop this on turn 2 or 3.

What are your friend's reactions?

>>52044639
Why would I run this when I'm playing a Mishra deck?

>>52044639
>Skullbriar player still gets counters on the boss even if the Spikes can't move theirs around.
>Karrathus's dragons can't firebreathe but are still big fliers
>Oloro's pillow fort enchantments all still active, as are Commander's effects

"OK."

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>>52044639
>You're in your playgroup and you drop this on turn 2 or 3.
why bother
I already had stony silence out lol

>>52044639
>"Not again"
>"You always play the goddamn stax effects!"

>>52044639
"omfg why did you put that in your deck?! you know it completely ruins my deck and no one else cares about it's effect! what the fuck did i do to you that you have to be such a fucking passive aggressive faggot?"

"doesn't work on my Ruric Thar? ok"

"*keeps playing with his phone*"

"*smirks*"

something like that i think

>>52044943
Holy fuck, the first friend sounds like a massive faggot. Tell them to get some artifact removal.

>>52044639
Honestly, the only person in my group who would be 100% ruined by this wouldn't care. He'd consider a smart move to neuter his deck and play on.

>>52044639
I don't think anyone would care.

It would hose a lot of shit though and people in my group would rage out if it included mana abilities. Right now it feels like a bad null rod and a bad linvala.

>>52044943
Tell me more about "*smirks*" anon.

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>>52044943
>"*keeps playing with his phone*"

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>>52044362
Don't forget this

>>52045074
the good part is that you can play it in a deck that runs a ton of manarocks.

>>52045167
Used to run this back in the day, mostly for laughs. Also, Runed Halo, for those delicious voltron player tears.

>>52045049
even if he had removal for it he would still whine because he thinks no one is allowed to touch his solitaire game
>>52045076
the guy runs Athreos reanimation deck with 20 or so removal spells and tons of of enters the battlefield effects, also has the worst poker face i have ever seen

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>>52045074
>>52045235
I love pic related since I tend to run mana rocks that would be kill from Null Rod but not dorks.

>>52045348
Also, run alongside Living Plane (and a ton of rocks of course) for fun times

>>52045348
I prefer Humility.

I recently got a Moat, resolving it with a Humility on play was exactly as satisfying as I expected it to be.

Jammed a few games with my new Ghave and Sek'Kuar decks. The Orkz deck worked out better than I expected, but both of them need some more ramp.

>>52045426
Oh, yeah that'll do it. But I don't always run white, and even when I do Humility is sometimes a little too total. It's great done right, but you need a solid plan for winning in the mess you've made.

>>52045518
>Sek'Kuar
my niggar

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New thread when?

>>52045621
Yeah, the salt was physically manifesting around the table as I sat there drawing cards with Mind's Eye until I won with Aetherflux Reservoir + Tainted Sigil

>>52045629
It's literally Orkz tribal. Orkz, Grots (goblins), dakka, choppas, trukkz.

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Since I'm a cheap shit and can only afford one right now, do I grab Craterhoof or Voice of Resurgence for Naya Tokens?

>>52045824
>CRATERHOOF or Voice of Resurgence
Do you really have to ask?

>>52030793
Try out XMage

>>52045840
>>52045824
It's obviously voice, the two-drop that makes badass tokens over the powerful but overrated 8-mana overrun.

Seriously, though, Craterhoof is really powerful, often an instant win for a tokens deck that's got a developed board. But then so would be most any overrun effect. Craterhoof is the best but it's not like there aren't similars to downgrade the slot to. Voice is a fairly unique effect that can help you when you're behind and give you a modicum of insurance against getting blown out by wraths. And unlike for Craterhoof there's no budget alternative.

>>52045899
These are fair points.

When I've played with Voice, I always found him under-whelming, because your opponents can often just play around him. There are more efficient ways to make tokens, and more reliable ways to stop your opponents from casting problematic instants. In the end, I always felt like there was a better card I could've been running to accomplish whatever Voice was supposed to be doing. And selling my foil copy for $100 seemed like a better idea than trying to make him work.

Voice might be a decent meta-dependent choice, but I definitely think Craterhoof is the more reliable pick.

>>52044639

>but that fucks my commander

>don't care i'll just cast prosh

>scoop

>>52046299
It kinda stops Prossh dead though

>>52046344
but anon that's the joke, he just doesn't care and he'll beat down with prossh regardless.

>>52046344
He's still getting in for 5 and those tokens can be used elsewhere.
And Prossh is in good Artifact Hate colors.

>>52045824
Buy both. They both got reprinted recently.

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Could dragon broodmother work in Omnath, Locus of Rage? She's an interesting sac outlet and even if there are no elementals to sacrifice she can make 4 1/1 flyers if she survives 1 round at the table

>>52046798
Better than 4 1/1 fliers, she can make two 5/5 fliers!

>>52046868
Two 3/3's anon.

>>52044639
Gissa player stomps his feet and grabs his Thromak deck

Next dude starts laughing until he realizes half his combos wont work.

Last dude throws his hands up in the air, "Really dude?"


i cry because all my commanders revolve around activated abilities. What was I thinking???