MTG EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL

>commander anthology
Does that mean there will be no more prebuilt commander decks?

(OP) I like yeva because she gives me a strong balance between Timmy and Johnny. I kill people with big guys but I play draw-go more often than not

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>>52012850
Pretty difficult to have a "reactive" commander when everyone can see it coming from a mile away. I do like having a commander with flash in a blue deck, though. Make 'em second guess, wether I'm just out of plays, planning to play my commander in general or actually do have that Desertion in hand. I guess the closest to an actually "reactive" commander I can think of is something like Elesh Norn or Kagemaro.

Looking for that big flow chart of what commander you want to play.

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cuz someone wanted it

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Wifu Commander reporting in

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So I finally bothered looking at the Atraxa precon I got for a Liliana, the Last Hope and only five cards were swapped out it seems

>Sol Ring
>Languish
>Corpsejack Menace
>Azorius Chancery
>Temple of the False God

which were swapped out for
>Plukranos, World Eater
>Wretched Confluence
>Doom Blade
>Winding Constrictor
>Untethered Express

Sol Ring and new art Temple are a bit of a loss, but everything else in there makes up for it. Second best $4 spent on a pack of cards yet, only after my Masterpiece Paradox Engine pull

>>52012900
That'd be really stupid on their part. And Duel Decks didn't stop after the first Anthology, so I'd be very, very surprised if they axed the precons.

>>52013064
you should've just kept the lily instead of trading it for all that crap.

>>52013022
>Wifu
That's a man you fucking shitlord

>>52013064
Your store charges $4 per pack? That's even more of a ripoff than normal

>>52012900
They won't. EDH moves a lot of product for them, so dropping the precons would be a boneheaded move on their part

>>52013112
That's msrp + sales tax, you dingus. Unless you live somewhere without sales tax?

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>>52013077
What if I wanted the precon without spending $60+ on it? Atraxa + Deepglow Skate + Crystaline Crawler make up Lili's value and then there's the other 97 cards in the deck.

>>52013112
Yeah it sucks buying packs at retail price, my ma. Not much you can do about it though.

>>52013174
My store charges $2.69 a pack, plus 6.5% sales tax for a pack of Eldritch Moon, which is a bit less than $4. But I guess I forgot about sales tax and figured it was $4 without it

How far up the autism spectrum do you have to be to play edh?

>>52013090
"Anger twisted the orc's face and he took another step toward her. "You tell me this? A human boy who thinks he's a woman?""
"I know who I am. I am not a boy. I am Alesha, like my grandmother before me"
>"Took another step towards her"
>"her"
She has a feminine penis, not gay.

>>52013243
I remember when I got stuck for a day at the swansea mall in MA and there was a store there selling boosters for $4.99 + tax. Made me wonder how they ever fucking get rid of their inventory, who the fuck would spend that much?

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>>52013265
As autistic as you need to be to play modern or standard
Honestly, it's the difference between playing smash and mario party


Regardless how "competitive" you like your magic, we're all just playing fantasy cardboard arena

Take a seat

Has anyone here made a Mordor themed deck? Preferably with an Orc or a Goblin as commander.

>>52013359
gA has an Orkz deck, but it's 40k rather than LotR

>>52013265
>>52013308
smash is competitive edh
a bunch of losers playing a casual game competitively, while everyone else who plays real fighting games and real formats laughs and makes fun of them

>>52013471
It's fine to play Smash competitively if that's what you like, just like it's fine to play EDH competitively if that's what you like.

Where you cross the line is when you insist that your 'version' of the game (where you've stripped out almost everything unique about it, in an attempt to ape existing games that already do what you want) is the only true version, and are openly hostile to people who dare to play it for fuckaround-fun instead of SUPER ULTRA SRSLY

>>52012976
>EDH is a bunch of autists

yup thats about right

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>When you resolve a Larceny against a bunch of control-playing assholes with your unblockable-theme deck
>When the mono-blue player gets his library exiled in a single turn after you rite of replication your scalpelexis

>>52013308
Legacy is like making love to a beautiful woman. Competitive EDH is like raping a blind child in a back alley, that's a more apt comparison

>>52013522

Pretty much, yeah.

>>52013693


>Legacy is a really expensive hooker

makes you think

>>52012912
Click the post number to reply to a specific post, newfriend.

>>52013522
There's playing EDH competitively, and then there's Competitive EDH for which >>52013693 is more true. You can play competitively with the jankiest deck ever.

>>52013895
no, I meant it as I am the op and just didn't want to include the explanation for my personal choice for the thread topic in the OP post

>>52013975
You Could've just put "OP" in the name box

>>52013308
>>52013471
>>52013522
Commander: Smash
Standard: The latest Street Fighter
Modern: The latest Tekken
Legacy: Third Strike
Vintage: Super Turbo
Sealed/Draft: whichever anime fighter is the FOTM
Pauper/Peasant: MUGEN

>>52014004
well, I guess I could have. I've literally never used it before so I forget it exists sometimes. I've been trapped here since ~2006 and I'm still a newfag.

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>>52012850
>What's your favorite reactive commander?

Solid choice, OP. I too love me some Yeva shenanigans.

>>52013970
Oh, sure- that's the point of the whole 75% movement, right? Build your deck to a certain power level, but in-game, play to win.

Same thing with the Smash analogy- I can want to play Captain Falcon or Little Mac or whatever to the best of my ability, with the focus of the game still being "a fun time with friends" instead of "Super ultra hardcore fighting game seriousness"

>>52013077
If his goal is to play EDH then no, he shouldn't have.

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>enjoying reasonably competitive 4 way games at LGS
>Tasigur, Keranos, Atarka, Non-degenerate Animar
>One of the regular meme-spouting 14-year-olds shows up early for Latchkey Kid night
>Asks if he can jump in the next game
>The more the merrier
>Pulls out fully foiled Narset.netdec
>Oh joy
>We start and it becomes immediately obvious that he has no idea what he's doing
>Drops a Fetch turn one, tries to grab a Command Tower, has to be told that just because a land can tap for white it isn't a Plains
>Argues the point
>Has no idea what any card printed before BFZ does
>Eventually gets Narset to stick and swings
>Timestretch, MLD
>We scoop, congratulate him on a game well played
>He starts to tell us what we should have done to beat him
>Yeah, that's cool man, I think Standard is starting
>Hear him talking later about how he beat a bunch of "scrubs" with "cute" decks.

Honestly, fuck Narset. Any idiot with access to their mother's credit card and the ability to turn a card sideways can have a tier one deck. Yes, I mad.

>>52014109
lol
>opponent wraths
>flash in e-wit and grab the fresh meat I discarded earlier
>wrath kills my shit
>cast fresh meat
>tap tokens to chord for caller
>kill the fuccboi who wrath'd me after I untap
or
>flash in regal behemoth before my turn
>have enough mana to animate every blue source land in play and cast ezuri's predation
>lmao @ their life
or
>literally any point in the game that you control yeva and seedborn muse. even better if you have soul of the harvest or primordial sage.

flash is just so good

>>52014255
As I guy who bought it on whim when it first came out, The atraxa precon is crap and not really even fun. If I was the one who got the lily, I would have sold it for pieces for a deck I actually wanted to play

>>52014296
animate their lands with kamahl*

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/tg im considering brewing a new deck, i the idea right now is to use partner, one of them is going to be Kydele, i wanna draw cards like a maniac to utilise her ability to cast eldrzi's n shit.

But what should the other commander be? Thought of Thrassios but utilizing other colours would probalbly benefit me greatly.

Two if my buds are getting back into magic after they broke up with their cunt girlfriends who threatened them with no sex if they kept playing magic. Will they eventually get faster at playing? I swear they made the game last an hour and a half just because they sat around being indecisive.

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>>52014408
>to cast eldrzi's n shit

>>52014446
>Dating women who tell you not to play magic
>Dating women who use no sex as a way to manipulate you
Wow your friends are beta fucking pussies.

>>52014446
In my experience, yes and no. I've had friends whom eventually got faster, but i also have some that a year later still plays like a fucking turtle.

>>52014446
That really depends. If they're taking forever because they're rusty and trying to think their plays through before committing to something, that'll PROBABLY get better as they play more.

If they're just stupid, it won't get better unless they try.

>>52014496
At least they called their shit and dumped their hoe ass'. A true beta would give up magic to appease their skanks.

>>52014628
Like for real I can understand a gf thinking magic is gay or dumb and not wanting to go to fnm so her hair doesn't get smelled by retards, but why the fuck would she try to make you stop something you enjoy? Like fuck that, unless it's like drugs or unhealthy if a girl tells you to stop doing something fun she can pound sand

>>52013667
Who is your commander and do you have a list? Sounds like fun.

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>>52014446
>players taking forever
This, I fucking hate this, why can't these autists have the self awareness to know that there's other people in the game? Untap, Draw, Land, Card, Card is a sequence that should NOT take longer than 30 seconds. Then there's those fuckers that know they're beat and spend 5 minutes holding their head and trying to think of how they can use three lands, a coalition relic, and a craw wurm to stop 30 30/30s. Most magic calculation is simple arithmetic, you should be able to do this.

>>52014489
>
That is actually a pretty good idea, might try this

>>52014708
My favorite argument is "There's a lot going on on the board! It's a complicated board state!'

That may be true, but barring some Warp World type shit, this board did not just HAPPEN. It's been developing over several turns.

>>52014268
Kek, I had something like this happen this happen once.

>be playing with 3 pals, planning to use our jankiest decks
>I use Tariel angel tribal, friends use gallowbraid voltron, noyan dar awaken tribal and Jhoira of the gitu suspend tribal
>15 year old asks if he can join us, we agree and tell him that we're playing janky decks
>He takes out Narset and tells us it's janky spellslinger so we're fine with it
>He connects once
>Time stretch + Expropriate.png
>He makes tons of suboptimal moves but manages to eventually beat us
>We ask him for a rematch, he's fine with it, telling his friend who's watching about how sick and awesome his deck is
>I whip out Kozilek
>Get a mana crypt + sol ring + semblwnce anvil +mirrorworks hand
>At the end of turn 3 I have 2 thran dynamos and dreamstone hedrons, and I cast Kozilek
>Swing at him turn four, he sacrifices all his lands and blocks kozilek, he now has no board
>Instead of finishing him off I instead start focussing on the rest of the table, friends easily remove kozilek
>Every time he gets 4 lands going I swing with Kozilek or another big eldrazi
>Kid refuses to scoop because that would make him salty apparently
>The game takes so long that he misses his draft
>He's almost in tears when the game finishes nearly one and a half hours later

It was a good day desu.

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So let's say someone plays Research. Then they Reiterate it. Let's just say, for arguments sake, that they have an infinite amount of mana to pull from (they didn't, they did the math incorrect but we only discovered that much later). So, that player then says "I add infinite land cards to my deck." but doesn't actually have the cards with them. What do you do?

Mind you this player has never used Research before, did not tell the group he had it in his deck and has Mind over Matter in play and Battle of Wits on the board.

I need a white deck /tg, my playgroup decided that everyone is going to build a mono-coloured deck. We are five so everyone gets one colour and i got white, i usually dont play white so i have no idea what to play, control? Weenies? Help plz

>>52014995
I tell them there's no such thing as 'infinite' in Magic. They need to tell me the exact number of land cards they're shuffling in, and they had better actually fucking have those cards. I'm not letting them shuffle "Theoretical" cards into their deck.

>>52015011
eight-and-a-half-tails

>>52014884
What do you use for card draw in your Kozy? I want to build it, I just can't afford a crypt, should I even bother?

>>52014995
Card literally says "cards you own". He doesn't own infinite lands? Can't put them in there.

>>52014995
Tell him that without prior group consent cards that refer to cards from outside the game don't work.

>>52015028
>>52015047
I'm in agreement, but his excuse was "from outside the game" and since we hadn't specifically agreed that "cards from outside the game" needed to be brought to play that he could add something like 10,000 land cards and simply proxy them in. Also he argued that he couldn't realistically carry 10,000 cards around with him physically, or he'd need a briefcase or something similar.

Maybe I'm just being crotchety but this really turned me off of EDH as a format. Without real, hard rules it's difficult to explain to people what the "point" of EDH is.

>>52015057
That's what we decided on, but only after two other players scooped.

>>52015011
Hokori

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>>52015011
Go goblin slayer

>>52015132
> Also he argued that he couldn't realistically carry 10,000 cards around with him physically
Then he's not using that combo.

>>52015132
Technically speaking, cards like Research don't even work in EDH unless your group agrees that they do.

>>52015132
>and since we hadn't specifically agreed that "cards from outside the game" needed to be brought to play
how the fuck does he think these cards work? "I cast Burning Wish to find... I dunno, Wrath. Huh? No, I don't have one on me."

>>52015132
What the fuck kind of nonsense reasoning is this
>Oh you guys didn't say anything about it beforehand so that means I can use this Cunning Wish to proxy literally any instant from magic but I don't actually have to bring it with me because it's unrealistic to expect me to bring all of them just in case I need that one

>>52015011
Isamaru Voltron, Lin Sivvi toolbox, New Odric keywords aggro

What's a good place to get custom card sleeves?

>>52015132
>Maybe I'm just being crotchety but this really turned me off of EDH as a format. Without real, hard rules it's difficult to explain to people what the "point" of EDH is.
How is it linked with EDH? If he doesn't have the card he just can't add it to its library, EDH follows the same rules as any other format

>>52013667
You run silas alone?

>>52015034
Kozilek himself of course, but also staff of nin, mind's eye, dreamstone hedron, hedron archive, endbringer, other kozilek.

I'm of the opinion that casting kozilek gives you enough draw. And if you can't cast him he should br on the field which means you're in a dominant position anyway.

However, if you're worried about draw you could include some more sacrificr outlets for recasting kozilek (high market is a must, ashnod's is ok but you don't run too many creatures), book of rass and staff of domination (infinite mana and draw with metalworker).

I'd say crypt, ancient tomb and metalworker are not quite necessary, but they are the key pieces for explosive starts and allow you to run less lands.

Mana crypt is as cheap as it'll ever be though, so I'd buy if I were you. If you're European you can get one for 30~ bucks.

>>52015377
I'd rather he didn't include cards like that at all and EDH seems to bring out the worst in people when they can only use one copy of something. I mean, he practically milled himself out of the game just to get to that one card so this combo is something he was planning on doing and it wasn't just by chance. He had 6 cards left in his library before he started the "infinite" combo. I understand that in other formats people want to tryhard like that, but to me EDH isn't suitable for that kind of playstyle. Everyone should have a deck that's fun to interact with and fight against.

We're not a competitive group (nor are any of us very wealthy) and he insists on bringing decks that are either stupidly expensive ($1000+ while we play decks that are worth maybe $100-200) or clear shut outs by turn four or five.

>>52015033
This seems really nice, considering this
>>52015214
Meh, i assume you play tax here, not really my "cup of tea"'
>>52015241
Just why
>>52015346
First time seeing Isamaru, seems really nice. But Lin Sivvi seems like the most interesting of the bunch, if eight-tails doesn't work out this will be it.

>>52015011
Nu-Odric Soldier Tribal with Darien King of Kjeldor as a backup if you're willing to get him

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Yo, was there a Karn buyout or something I missed? I recall him being like, $15-20 less a couple days ago

>>52015132
No, that guy you played with is a fucking retard.

There is literally rules errata stating that you must actually own cards used "outside the game," and most formats (if not all?) require that you not only have those on had with you, but state that you have such a card in your deck, and that everyone is in agreement.

He ruined his own fucking argument with his own words.

>durrr I need a briefcase for all those cards, you can't expect me to carry them around!

burn his deck.

>>52015681
He's not being reprinted in MM3.

>>52015706
Technically, Wish type cards only find things in your sideboard in sanctioned events. Outside of sanctioned events, they do literally nothing unless your group agrees otherwise.

>>52013090
>not sucking dicc
what are you gay?

>>52015655
Yeah, Hokori is "no one gets to have fun." Eight and a half tails seems pretty fun.

>>52015011
Regardless of how popular it is, probably Sram, because screw having fuck all for card advantage.
Mangara of Corondor if I felt like going for style points.
Or Frankie Peanuts if your group is okay with it.

>>52015011
Bruna, the Fading Light angel tribal + recursion is my favorite monowhite deck.

>>52015011
Avacyn angel tribal and pack a fuckload of wraths

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>>52015011
Make them upset.

>>52015011
Star EDH is so much fun with my group. We get super into the roleplay of it.
>You dare defy my decree, Green Mage? I will see the forests razed for this!
>Your heresy ends this day, Black Mage!
etc.

>>52015011
iona ramp

>>52015011
make each player build a Kirin deck
that would probably have major balance issues though

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Is there any way to build Crosis that isn't just Grixis goodstuff or dragon tribal?

>>52016799
You can play discard and hand control.
You also can play Voltron with every Commander, really.

>>52013471
Smash is a good comparison because there are the "Final Destination, Fox only, no items" fags that take it way too seriously, and the rest of us that just want to take turns picking stages with a few ageed items taken off with our favorite characters and have a good time.

>>52016843
I'm looking on EDHrec and I actually like the idea of a "You don't get to have cards in your hand" deck. What about wincons though? I don't play control decks so I'm not really sure how you win with them aside form last longer than everyone else.

>>52016973
You have a 6/6, four swings and they're out.
You also get some enchantment in black (and probably red) that'll help you/damage them whenever they discard cards from their hands.

>>52016973
>I actually like the idea of a "You don't get to have cards in your hand" deck.
You're a monster

Play Leovold

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what's some spicy tec i can do with this card

>>52014408
Sidar and have a bunch of little dudes that draw you cards when they deal combat damage to an opponent.

>>52016941
And even then, people who wanna play it seriously are fine as long as they're not being dicks about it. I know people who play Smash seriously but they don't look down on people who just play it for fun, and there's ZERO problem with that.

>>52017033
make mischief from SOI

>>52016973
The Rack, Shrieking Afliction and some other things.
I bet there are a few more costly options.

>>52017008
>>52017182
Thanks lads, I think I can throw together something that will be a lot of fun for me.

>>52017029
I don't own a Leovold tho. Also goddamn, when did he get to $40?

>>52017315
leovold is $40 because people are realizing he can be the best commander in the game, also he's being played in legacy, also conspiracy two had a small as shit print run

>>52017033
If you have a way to prevent damage to yourself Arcbound is pretty baller

>>52016269
>>52015011
Sram or Mangara seems like the most intriguing of the bunch. Leaning more towards Mangara, will come back with a first draft.

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I have 10 fully pimped decks and want to build two more. An I know I shouldn't.

What do you guys do when you have to many decks?

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>>52015011
Yosei, the Morning Star, mono W has JUST enough at it's disposal to pull off one of the hardest soft locks outside of Derevi.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/yosei-sacrificial-edh/

>>52017446
This seems to have very few ways of getting Yosei back. Why even have him as your commander?
Gentle reminder that returning your commander to the command zone does not trigger death effects.

>>52017379
how to prevent damage

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>>52017405
I've got 11 decks as it is (Not entirely pimped out, they're all sub-$150), and I'm at different levels of building 4 more because I'm living the pipedream of having decks in all colors.

I'd rather build new decks than shill out $30+ for combopieces and I don't know why

>>52017337
>also conspiracy two had a small as shit print run

How do you explain that my LGS still sells booster boxes of the set, and some of its staple mythics and rares have really dropped in price? Leovold is the only true expensive card of the set now.

>>52017405
Hey pal
>>52012568

>>52017572
Because the plural of "Anecdote" is not "Data"

Opinion on these in a colorless deck with ~20 sources of artifact ramp?

Book of rass
Urza's blueprints
Loreseeker's stone
Tower of fortunes

>>52017588
Ok, where is your data of Conspiracy 2 being in low print or print run in general?

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>>52017405
I have a crate that can hold 16 decks, so I try to limit myself to that amount.

If I want to build a new deck, I either scrap one of the old ones I have no interest in playing and reuse old sleeves and box, or morph one of the old decks into the new one I want to build.

Pretty simple really!

>>52017612
I for one prefer Staff of Nin to all those.

>>52017337
>also conspiracy two had a small as shit print run
No, it's that no-one opened it because it came out a week before a standard set and people are realizing that. That's why all the rares/mythics shot up, and leovold is king like you said, bestcommander and legacy play on top of this.

>>52017506
The idea is rather than having a bunch of effects to recur Yosei that would just become dead cards once you get one of them to stick, to have just enough effects to pull off the lock that you can tutor for quickly and easily.

After running the deck for a while now, my main problem isn't having trouble recurring him, but rather finding a way to sacrifice him after getting Gift of Immortality out consistently and reliably almost every single game.

>>52017651
I already have it in, so I didn't include it in the list.

What is a great tri-color general for an usual and/or fun deck?

I am thinking of building either Sydri or Mayael

>>52017507
Platinum Emperion
Platinum Angel
Loxodon Warhammer or Basilisk Collar
Or just being sure everyone has less life than you before you fire it and when you fire it you are dealing just enough damage to kill everyone but yourself.

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>>52017033
Are you ready motherfucker?
ARE YOU READY

DON'T CLICK THAT FUCKING SPOILER, JUST LISTEN—
You wanna draw a bunch of cards?
How about kill your opponents?
Maybe get some mana?

Fuck off with that weak Boiling Blood shit.
Brute Strength? Get out of here. That means you have to go to combat.
Are you playing Battle Hymn? What a fucking joke.

It's time for the best card ever printed. It does all of that, for three mana.
That's—count it—1, 2, 3 mana. You wanna win? This lets you fucking win.
Click that spoiler.


That's right.
Get your fucking coins ready, baby.

>>52017844
What happens when you lose the first flip?

>>52017844
He asked for some spicy tek, not an auto-include staple for Zada. That's like recommending Sol Ring

Best commander for a zombie swarm deck?

>>52017884
It's written on the card

>>52017923
I'm illiterate

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>>52017920

>>52017884
Ignore it, that creature was too useless to die for the glory of monored anyway.
Let it suffer in inadequacy.

>>52017899
Eh, it's not like any other decks ever run it. It's feasible that he's never heard of the card.

>>52012850
What are some combos to win in monoblue?
I just need a way to finish the game fast once I lock it.

>>52017942
Not him, but everyone who has ever considered Zada knows about it.

>>52017899
Why would zada run this? For the chance that you win 2 flips and deal a fuckton of damage to your opponents?

>>52012900

They're just reprinting the most popular commander decks

I'm preety tempted since I got none of the ones in the anthology. Started when 2014 hit, went for Daretti and Ezuri and missed Freyalise and Meren best waifus.

Derevi is a preety fucking annoying piece of shit and Kaalia is too expensive right now. I'll buy it 100% like the good goy I am

>>52015011
Hokori Stax

>>52018019
if the previous flips also count for the new one
so if i win 2
and i can target zada with the 3 dmg
then do 6 dmg to everyone a bunch of times

but i dont know if that's how the card works

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>>52018019
Mostly beacuse winning 3 flips means more mana and more card draw wich usually means a win with all the pump spells you can cast this way. If you want some more spicy tec pic related is almost as good as the gambit

>>52018070
of it did work like that
would you have to flip each time

>>52013667
>>52014706
this please

>>52018019
Because you get a bunch of copies of it and can keep flipping until you lose on creatures you care about keeping if for some reason you don't blow everyone out through sheer card draw/damage dealt.

>>52018019
The spell requires you to target one creature when you cast it, for the first effect.
You target Zada, and only Zada, thus triggering her ability, and creating a copy of that spell for each other creature you control.
(That rule can be found on Gatherer, I have to pull it up every single time I play that spell, because there's at least one person who doesn't think it works that way).

You then pick up a d6 for each creature you control, call them as as "heads" for 4-6.
Then you pick up every one you called right, and call heads again for 4-6.

For every one of those that's a success? 6 damage to each opponent.
So usually you deal Creatures/4*6 damage.
So assuming they're all on 40 health, odds are you just need to cast that spell with 27 creatures to kill all of your opponents.

If they cast some sort of damage reflection though before your spells resolve? You can just keep flipping/rolling until you get the card draw/untapping you want.

>>52018070
You copy the spell wich means you have to flip individually for each of your creatures, then if you win once that creature gets 3 damage, if you win twice you get 6 damage to a player on top of it and with 3 wins you get all the mana and all the cards. Having a lot of creatures means the chance of getting 3 wins is high.

>>52018019
You will do a set of flips for each one of your creatures. If you've got a decent chance of having a lot of board, like a zillion goblin tokens, and/or if you bring the Krark's thumb, you've got a decent chance of getting some 2+ results and even maybe a 3+ somewhere along the line. By the time the stack finishes resolving you just hit yourself in the face with a one-sided Anger of the Gods but everybody else took stupid buckets of damage and if you're lucky you drew nine and untapped all.

>>52013090
Doesn't matter if she's cute.
Fggt.

>>52017033
Possibility Storm is incredibly good with your copy-spells. Also protects against disruption.
Inventor's Fair is a decent utility-land, since you can get Skullclamp, Goggles or Eldrazi Monument if you have artifact token producers.
Anarchist + Priest of Urabrask lets you go infinite with Heat Shimmer / Twinflame.
Inkmoth Nexus and Mutavault are both solid lands that can turn into useful creatures. They're both extra triggers if you don't need the mana. Mutavault has goblin synergy, while Inkmoth can solo players with some attack buffs. They also give you mana with Threaten effects.
Backdraft is the epitome of spite if someone uses a sorcery-speed damage sweeper. Murders the fuck out of anyone who hits you with a Blasphemous Act.

>>52018161
Technically you need to resolve the copies one at a time.

How do you set a card as your commander in xMage? is it done at deck creation, or in game?

>>52018292
You just put it in the sideboard during deck creation

>>52018269
Yeah, but generally when I cast it I'm not giving a hoot about the third toss, meaning that's not really relevant.

When I do though, I will.

>>52018265
Don't forget Twincaster Mage also goes infinite with Heat Shimmer/Twinflame by itself.

>>52018312
Thanks.

>>52018265
Is it worth to run copy effects other than the commander? They wouldn't work well with Possibility Storm, would they? Also what about Mizzix Mastery and Past in Flames, are they worth running?

>>52018325
I mean you should technically be resolving the 'flips' one at a time, not all at once.

>>52018470
I understand that.
But nobody has time for that, and in almost every case the difference is negligible.

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>guy in my group has been acting like a total asshole to me
>decide to quit playing and shift to online so I don't have to deal with said asshole
>mfw he came over today and apologized giving me a sylvan library as a peace offering
>accept his apology, give back the library, and slam the door in his face

What the fuck do I want a sylvan library for

>>52018345
Yeah, but that's fairly well-known, I think.

>>52018388
They work really poorly with Possibility Storm, yeah. PS itself is a big gamble though, it shuts down any of your X spells, and the Twincaster Mage combo. You'll have to judge what you'd rather do, or if the risk is worth it. Reiterate can go infinite with Rituals, or just generally be a good card if your opponents play something juicy.

Mastery and PiF are pretty solid, they let you cheat out wins lategame. Even mundane things like Mastery hitting Hordeling Outburst, Dragon Fodder and Brightstone Ritual can let you play Zada and a draw spell for 6 cards. If you already have her in play, well, the game probably ends.

>>52017396
>>52015011
Fist draft, need two more cards then ill hop on cokcatrice and run some games with it. Any advice with the list?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-03-17-pFW-mangara-of-corondor/

>>52018484
So what do you do if someone has a relevant reason to ask you to resolve your shit correctly? Do you say "I don't have time for that"?

>>52018493
It's not even a real card!

>>52018510
My advice to you is to learn to use tapped out.

It's private.

Which decks, if any, should Temple of the False God be in?
Decks with green ramp in it so that it becomes active faster? Decks without green ramp that sorely need the ramp it provides?

>>52018493
>not being gracious and making amends

You fucking stooge

>>52018509
Last question: should i use ramp like Extraplanar Lens, Caged Sun, Gauntlet of Power and such or am i better off with fast mana like rituals, Battle Hymn and such? Are the rituals and Seething Song worth running? What about Dragonrage and Treasonous Ogre?

>>52018648
Decks running 38+ Land/ways to get extra land

If you're running 35 of fewer lands and mana rocks rather than land tutors, skip it.

>>52018648
Honestly, I don't think it goes in any deck. The extra 1 mana it provides later on isn't worth all the times it's dead in hand for the first 4 turns.

>>52017182
The Rack is pretty bad though, unless you play only 1v1

Does anyone have the image of the Mogis 8rack deck?

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>>52018670
>allowing friendship can be bought

Maybe if he wasn't a total asshole in the first place there wouldn't have needed to be amends

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so I just updated this deck and was wondering if you guys would have any input. I was aiming at increasing the control elements a bit here but the deck still feels kinda janky. Pls Halp


http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/vorel-now-with-less-artifacts/

>>52018736
>>52018736

At least he realized his mistakes and tried to apologize for it.

Yeah, you are allowed to not accept his apology if you feel like it, but he tried to make peace and did his part about it

>>52018648

you should only run it if your table has very loose mulligan rules, like partials or multiple free mulligans or something

Trash card

I wan't to build silas-smasher artifacts. Build up a decent boardstate and manabase with silas, than cast smasher and start chunking people with huge mana artifacts, with a few standard artifact plan B's. Can anyone convince me this is a bad idea?

>>52017844
Protip, sense you are always going for the three in a row, a good way to shourtcut is to roll three dice and look for triple even. Much faster than flipping.

>>52017033
For spicy tech check out kari zeve's expertise

>>52018779
He actually came over because one of my friends told him the reason I didn't show up for play night was because of him being a jerk. I would've been fine without ever having to deal with him again

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>>52015011
Akroma voltron with a splash of reanimation to avoid paying her obscene commander tax
>No rest
>No mercy
>No matter what

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Secret tech in tokens.dec, y/n?

It's basically instant speed deathtouch on all your creatures, and can cause some stupid blowouts when two other guys are fighting each other.

>>52018592
My bad, im not a very avid user of the site, i have corrected my mistake.

>>52018690
Mana doublers can probably be okay if your meta is durdly, but I would probably use fast mana instead. The deck is generally very all-in.

Ogre can be pretty filthy. Dragonrage seems a lot more sketchy, although it's another possible Reiterate combo if you're into that.

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What's the best play you guys have ever made with an obscure/"secret tech" card? I had a good one recently
>playing mono black
>opp playing red/green stompy
>opp casts Vorinclex
>cast pic related
>reanimate Vorinclex on my turn

Is blue really worth it when playing Zombie tribal?

>inb4 zombie h8

>>52019178
grim grin is pretty strong as a commander and rooftop storm alone is almost worth it just for that

>>52019178
You get rooftop storm I guess.

>>52012976
>Vintage/legacy power ban list
>Hur dur ur dumb for not making intentionally shitty decks

>>52018648
Colorless, and only colorless. Even then you mulligan if it's in your starting hand.

>>52018493
>What the fuck do I want a sylvan library for
Plot twist
Anon was the real asshole the whole time

>>52019235
What if he already had multiples?

>>52018740
probably need beast within. considering lack for flying defense maybe spider-silk armor or some other hate would be appropriate

>>52017405

I'm at 7 and my case can hold one more. Still not sure what else I should build. I've got: RW Aggro/Midrange, UR Spellslinger, MonoB Stax/Combo, Bant Lands (it's hard to categorize), UG Diet Goodstuff, MonoR Aggro, and UBRW Artifacts (Breya). Don't really know what archetype I'm missing besides a hard control shell or a hatebears deck.

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You fucks jealous?

>>52019365
reanimator? lifegain? voltron?

>my play groups of friends (4 of us) play at one of our houses once or more a week
>usually can only play a game or two because they take hours
>generals are Kruphix, Saskia (reanimator) Leovold and Gay Greeks (enchantments)
>finally go to EDH night at our lgs
>all end up in different pods (4 pods)
>each win our pod within 30 minutes
>go to the finals
>game ends in a draw after 3 hours because the owner wants to leave

We didn't think we were making degenerate decks. But hey, we have a fucking blast.

I mostly blame Cyclonic Rift. Homies been the reason I win probably 25% off the time.

>>52017844
I saw someone flip a coin fourteen times on this before he lost a flip. The other guy let him do all the effects out of respect for his, and I quote "SSS style rank."

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>>52016799
>>52017315
UPDATE: I brewed something up real quick and while a bit slow, it's actually pretty fun. No one has gotten too pissy with me yet on xmage.

> using Megrim to damage a few players and then hitting everyone with Bond of Agony for the gg no re

>>52019367
Wrong format/10

>>52019367
>PSA 8-10 graded legacy staples

You're doing so well in Investment: The Banking but I'm afraid we're playing EDH here.

>>52019178

You get Diregraf captain and rooftop storm, also some other fairly decent mid tier zombies like Geralf's mindcrusher

It's not like there are all that many good black zombies, adding blue helps a lot, also you get lots of good draw-discard to fill the yard

>>52019510
I like casting it after Final Fortune.

What's the better weenie commander? Darien or Heliod?

>>52019367
None of those are in your deck, so no

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>>52013022
WiFi commander reporting in.

>>52013274
Packs are $5.5 here, but that's in Norway.

>>52014296
I have a Nekusaur player in my playgroup who keeps opening hands just because they contain Leyline of Anticipation, and then he just chooses not to use it.

>I cast Increasing Ambition
Why would you do that. What if something happens on my turn and you want a different card.
>I just want it now, allright?

I get so confused. Flash is straight busted.

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If I do Jarad's ability to sacrifice a creature, then I sacrifice said creature in response to that ability such as Spore Frog which would then trigger Spore Frog's ability, would that trigger both abilities? Can I get a really long chain of sac'ing abilities going that way?

>>52020281
Nope. Saccing is part of the cost, not part of the resolution.

>>52020305
Oh I see, so it has to be removed from the game in order to pay the cost?

>>52020281
No. Since you sac the creature in response to activating Jarad's ability, Jarad's own ability would fizzle since there's no longer a creature to sac for his life-loss

>>52020281
Sacrificing a creature like that isn't a trigger. It's a cost. You can only sacrifice it once.

>>52014995
With an infinite number of lands compared to a finite number of actual cards in his deck, wouldn't that ensure that for the rest of the game he will draw lands? Did he even have a plan?

>>52019974
i'd go with Darien, because of the combos you can do with him. Like any soul sister + him + aetherflux reservoir = infinite tokens or at least an arbitrary amount until someone removes one of them.

>>52020332
Not removed from the game, but sacrificed. It dies. Exile is removed from the game.

>>52020336
The COST of activating Jarad's ability is to sacrifice a creature, so it would literally be impossible to respond by sacrificing the same creature to another effect, as it already got sacrificed.

>>52020336
you can't even do that: you had to pay the cost to put Jarad's ability on the stack to begin with.

>>52020364
Yep, I misunderstood it.

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Thinking of trying out Omnath. How does stand commander wise? Also does he have alot options build wise?

>>52020444
Is Perilous Forays your favorite card ever? If so build Angry Omnath.

>>52020444
Decently powerful, has some solid game ending potential, not super fast

As far as options go I'd say no, either build around his landfall ability or pick a different commander. If you just want gruul fatties play Xenagod

>>52015391
Nah, but he does fit the UB colors.

>>52013667
Vela is the commander. Lots of your usual unblockable/ninjitsu creatures, but I'm bent heavy towards making people discard - not as a win condition like Nekusar or some shit but just as my deck's form of control.

>Have Dire Undercurrents out
>And Larceny and Coastal Piracy and Words of Waste
>Unblockable gets through, ninjitsu out Silent Blade Oni
It's fun making them discard their entire hand. Granted it almost never happens and you'll gain a lot of hate, but it's still a fun deck even though I seldom win.
I based my deck on this one : http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/d-a-n-c-i-n-g-i-n-t-h-e-d-a-r-k/
but since then I've made changes such as more mana rocks/ramping since with all the card draw it becomes a very hungry deck. Scalpelexis is the only flier in my deck and he's only really useful against mono-colored decks, and even then only if they're running a lot of basics.
If you don't run a lot of special lands it's a cheap deck, too.

>>52017949
mind over matter/anything with lab man

>>52020605
hurf, meant to quote
>>52014706

>>52017949

Archaeomancer + time warp + repeatable bounce (equilibrium, riptide lab, crystal shard, Cloudstone curio, etc)

You can also replace time warp with turnabout and you have infinite mana instead, which isn't a straight win but often leads to a win in mono blue

Another popular mono blue combo is power artifact + monolith for infinite mana

>>52015706
Burn him

Leovold is such bullshit

You need the turn 1-2 removal in your opener or you are fucked and even if you do, he might have a counter, so you want two removal, and even if that works you still gave him 2 cards and used 2 of yours, a 4 for 2 to get rid of him, which is really a 4 for 1 since he goes back to the command zone, not to mention any card draw he might've negated

What programs/websites do you guys use to build magic decks?

>>52020928

Tappedout and deck stats are the best iv seen, also cockatrice is cool

>>52018510
Illusionists bracers

>>52020942
It's nice that Deck Stats recognizes the # categories which are also used in Tapped out. All of that effort of categorizing your cards isnt wasted

So the other week I was playing in the commander tourney at the local store
I was running Krenko and got out nine tokens when the Wrexial player did the second thing she did of the game and used a removal spell on my commander. In response, I Rites of Initiationed for 5 (gives each creature I contorl +1/+0 for each card I discard randomly when casting it) after playing an anthem and knocked her out of the game immediately
now the other two players were Atraxa and Locus of Rage (and Atraxa proceeded to go off shortly after that) and Wrexial got really salty that I went after her instead of attacking one of the other two.
Question is, is it a dick move to knock someone clean on their ass on turn 5 if you can and they fuck with you?

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What do you guys think of the idea of this deck I'm working on?

Filename.

>>52021101
i imagine krenko is the lich pin of your deck, so I wouldn't feel bad at all. Since She was trying knock you out of the game.

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R8 my budget mimeoplasm /edhg/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/that-old-graveyard-magic/

>>52021101
Well shit like omnath and wrexial at a TOURNAMENT seems downright mythical, so I am not sure if the word means the same thing to you as it does to me. That being said murdering someone for messing with you is a good a reason as any to build up that kind of reputation. If you wanted to win though I would have killed who would have been your biggest problem (which might have also been her)

>>52021104

wtf are u even tryin to do m8?

>>52021232
I say tournament because that's the only way to describe what the store does
5 dollars and you get split into pods,then you earn points based on how you place
after the first game, there's a winner pod and a loser pod or more if there are enough people, and then you get points based off that you use to get prizes.
It's not great, but waiting for the other place to open back up.

>>52021262
Let everyone play at the table, and slow anyone down who's winning too much.

>>52021285
With a deck made almost entirely out of symmetrical effects many of which ramp so hard symmetrically that the person who untaps with the best cards in hand wins?

Is discard like Inquisition of Kozilek and Thoughseize viable in EDH?

>>52021388
Not really.

>>52021381
I'm pretty sure most of those cards help everyone else out more than the guy in first place.

Yeah, I might cut Collective voyage.

>>52021388
EDH is both multiplayer and tends towards longer games. Now, if you face a LOT of combo or are yourself combo and want to either oust a piece or deal with the possibility of instant speed answers, Thoughtseize at least is marginally viable. (inquisition less so). But Unnerve is the better discard since it hits everyone for two cards rather than one person for one, which is a losing resource prospect when you have other opponents.

>>52021104
>>52021405
>Oath of fucking Druids
>letting that one guy flip into Ulamog turn 2
>implying shit like Restore Balance or Sylvan Offering is going to do shit about that

>>52021101
you should focus on the largest threat in the game. If the largest threat to you is the guy wrecking your shit absolutely fuck his shit up.

>>52021463
She had convinced the Omnath player to start going after me and if I swung out on Atraxa that would have left me open.
Atraxa was probably the biggest threat over all, but the player didn't go off until after I eliminated Wrexial

>>52021388
I use targeted discard to get rid of things my colors can't answer. In grixis I use them for things like getting rid of Rest in Peace because it fucks my deck.

It's usually just straight card disadvantage though., Too many other opponents.

>>52021529
The Wrexial player sounds like a weasel. You did the right thing.

>>52021388
The only discard that works well in EDH are Wheels and Mill.

>>52020351

Of course.

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>>52015011
DOG DOG DOG

>>52021609
BORKA BORK!

>>52021609
nah dwarf is better

>>52021529
sounds like you taught here an important lesson, don't play politics if you can't back up your big talk

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>>52020444
i just built omnath, i just decided to forego red.

>>52021752
I feel like I'd you slot dwarf into any dog deck instead of dog, the deck gets better.

Help me out, /rdhg/:
Tower of Fortunes V Loreseeker's Stone

I need some repeatable, multi-card draw in colorless. Does anyone have experience using whichever?

>>52022814
book of rath

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tough luck kiddo

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Would you rather play against three people who view EDH as singleton vintage or three people who get mad if you do anything besides play lands before turn 4 and complain every time you do something to them?

>>52022014
No fucking shit Anon.
1 fucking generic mana more for incredible card-draw in Mono-White.

Sram kills Isamaru dead.

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>>52023198
Depends, do they get pissy if I take them down from 40 to 38 by swinging with a bear on turn 3?

>>52023198
The former because Vintage is the best MTG format right now and whiny casuals get the good deck shoved down their throat.

>>52023297
OMG Why are you attacking me I don't have anything! X has Y! Attack them!
>Every time you attack any of them ever

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Why is he perfect, edhg

>>52023198
In singleton vintage I don't get to play my decks.
In casual land I just have to play the same decks but act nice. Both sound boring but atleast one way I am playing the game.

>>52017612
All 4 of those cards suck in any deck. There are way better card drawing engines available.

>>52019367
>grading anything past Legends

>>52023381
You've never played Vintage.

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>>52021104
I have a K&T deck. It's pure control and then tries to one-shot the table with Heartless Hidetsugu + infect. I just use the general as misdirection and because it's a big blocker that gives a slightly asymmetric effect. There are no group hug cards in the deck.

>playing first game of edh with 3 other people
>one person has something he calls a chaos deck
>because of this he makes the game 2 hours longer than it should be
>his commander is Child of Alara so nobody wants to attack him or else the board gets nuked
Knowledge Pool is the biggest pain in the ass to resolve when shit like Eye of The Storm is also on the table

>>52023377
>ywn clean his sweaty armpits with nothing but your tongue

>>52021101
I was listening to a RadioLab the other day and they talked about a guy who asked for every programmer he could find to write a program to play a game. That game was based on the then current Cuban Missile Crisis. It used the prisoners dilemma thought experiment as proxy for the crisis. He planned to have every code play every other code five times and the one one that won the most consistently would be considered the champion. Many of the codes were tens of pages long. But the one that won out in the end was three simple commands.

>Cooperate until attacked
>Return attack with attack
>resume cooperation after retaliating

What happens is you show you are open to cooperation so when you meet kind players they are likely to play along. But when you meet mean players you show you will retaliate if provoked but are willing to keep cooperating if the other player is. Following this paradigm out to the end will foster a reputation in the store that should help you win more often. Therefore I think you made the right call.

>>52023560
I found this post genuinely interesting and useful.

>>52023455
I've played against commander decks build as singleton vintage, which is the topic at hand, and know that my decks are mostly incapable of working in that environment. Whether i have played actually vintage is irrelevant, you twat

>>52023377
cause scrubs forget that there's a card named Borborygmos.

>>52023474
So how do you keep yourself from dying, do you just get below 20 life?

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>>52023645
> Pithing needle naming.... boborygmos.

Mfw

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>>52023671
>Trouble with artifacts in gruul

>>52023740
Oh, the artifact is not the problem, anon...

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>>52014218
>Smash
>Fighting game

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>>52023766
Oh I understand now

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Mfw never finished reading the bottom

I really want to make this work

>>52022814
Why not both.

I've used both in Kozilek/Karn to great effect. That said, it's easier to get stalled before reaching 8 mana than it is for 6. You'll probably be able to more reliably activate loreseeker's stone if you've already reached 6 mana and keep dropping stuff. 8 mana per activation is also quite steep, so unless you're ramping hard you won't be able to do much else on your turn.

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>>52023841
>seven lands in hand
Suicide

>>52021752
dwarf is better but I get more lulz out of using the dog

>>52023841
Just every land ramp spell that replaces itself, 80 lands and wincons like Genesis Wave.

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>>52023869
My Bobo deck regularly gets that. ..

How hard could it be, really

Or you can go 98 forests 1 helix pinnacle, maybe a way to dig for the pinnacle too

>>52023841
Something like 70% land, 20% card draw and !0% beefy Eldrazi?

>>52012931
best card

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>>52023960
>5 mana for a 6/6 that does a lot
>with fucking flash
What were they thinking

>>52024045
That it's not enough. He needs to give your creatures flash too. He should have an etb ability that fists your opponent with his bear hands

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I wanna get into Zada, Can anyone give me any suggestions, especially on what to cut? I think I'm running too low on lands.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zada-final/

>>52024045
That's really not that great for 5 mana.

Ad Nauseam and Through the Breach set the bar for five mana spells.

>>52015655
Super old post, but the monored guy is almost definitely playing krenko, and krenko is a motherfucker. Goblin chiurgan gives me cold sweats.

>>52024323
You're playing white. Wrath city, son.

Also, Lin-Sivvi wouldn't work very well in EDH, there aren't enough white Rebels

>>52021388

I like it a lot in 3 player, just okay in 4 player, poor value as you get more opponents, too many things to answer 1 for 1

I think people underrate it in general, turn 1 interaction is really important in some metagames, it can be a way to not lose to silly stuff like turn 2 paradox engine into wheels

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>>52020521
>If you just want gruul fatties play Xenagod

>Had a Mina and Denn landfall deck
>Try Xenagos as my commander one day
>It's so much stronger
>Start to balancing it around Xenagos instead of landfall
>Want to build a landfall deck again with Mina and Denn's pieces
Help

>>52024544
build angry omnath instead.

>>52024548
Isn't Pissed Omnath more about 50% elementals+50% landfall that just landfall? The reason I like Mina and Denn more, was that they were a constant enabler.

>>52024585
If you're playing angrynath right, you go mostly landfall. A few elementals with good abilities, but mostly landfall. Mina and Denn absolutely go in though. Regal Force, Titania, Skull Muncher, and Fertilid are all good elementals that synergize with Angry Omnath.

Why is Xenagod so strong according to you folks?

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>>52020444
He can go off really fast with a lot of cards and you're also in best colors for big stupid (and fun) creatures

Card wise he has a fuckload of options, the first time i tried to build him i just selected the cards i felt would go well with him and i ended up with 120 or so cards without lands. Pic related is godly with him, it can get out of hand fast if you can manage to make 2-3 land drops a turn (and you will)

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>>52023660
secret tech

>>52024883
Panharmonicon doesn't do anything for Angry Omnath m8.

>>52024883
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by that, but Panharmonicon doesn't work with Omnath. Omnath's trigger is from a land entering the battlefield, and Panharmonicon specifically states that it's creature or artifacts entering the battlefield that get second triggers.

>>52024899
Oh fuck i read that wrong. Disregard what i said about that then.
It does trigger Where Ancients Thread twice though for a sweet 10 damage a piece and Purphoros too. Also triggers ramp creatures like Wood Elves twice.

>>52024924
Oh yeah, the card is nuts for a number of reasons. Just not Omnath himself

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>>52019367
>Conspiracy Brainstorms

>>52024129
Drop Into the Core, Shattering Spree, Goblinside and Devastating Summons.
I'm not a fan of Skittering Invasion, that's a bit too high in Mana Cost.

>>52013090
gtfo /pol/ shitlord

>>52024129
>Chancellor of the Forge
Costs too much mana
>Myr Battlesphere
This too
>Skittering Invasion
And this too
>Rakka Mar
Too slow of a token producer, you're paying 5 mana for 2 creatures when there are spells that give you double that for the same cost
>Devastating Summons
There are much better cards than this
>Inner Fire
Too unreliable to use it
>Chandra, Torch of Defiance
Not really sure what you're doing with her
>Springjack Pasture
4 mana for a single token
>Screaming Fury
Just use Fists of the Anvil or Blood Lust, that 1 extra power isn't worth 1 extra mana
>Pyroblast
>Red Elemental Blast
Not really needed, if they are countering one of your pumps or one of your token spells they aren't accomplishing much anyway as you have so many in the deck you don't care. If they are countering Zada you'll just recast it.
>Spawning Pit
>Otherworldly Outburst
You want more creatures, not slightly stronger creatures. You will pump them up to 9-10 power anyway so that 1-2 more power they have isn't gonna do much.
>Into the Core
>Shattering Spre
I feel like Zada is fast enough that you don't need this much removal

Some cards that you could put in instead:
Make Mischief (more tokens)
Brighstone Ritual (more rituals)
Goblin Matron (grab Krenko)
Mutavault (goblin tribal)
Goblin Bombardment (pure damage and saccing in response to wraths)
Legion Loyalist (too good to pass)
Ib Halfheart (loads of tokens if you have spare mountains)
Tempt with Vengeance (moar tokens)
Skirk Prospector (moar mana)
Reiterate (with rituals infinite mana=fun)
Seize the day (more tokens with Krenko, more attacking with the gang)

>>52025228
One argument for keeping the counter spells is that maybe his meta has a shit ton of blue players. It's a good way to fuck them over since they counter any blue spells.
>>52024129
For the big mana cards you have, it is too little lands. The other anons have the right idea. It feels more like a weird combination of purphoros and zada at the moment

>>52016571

I'm thinking of building this as my next deck. White's my favourite colour, and I want to run a deck that says "alright, nobody's doing any stupid shit today"

>>52025450
Throw in the 2 Thalias.

>>52023198
singelton vintage, it's not hard to build competitive on a budget, it just limits your options. Thankfully i really enjoy the options available for budget vintage.

>>52025228
>>Otherworldly Outburst
>You want more creatures, not slightly stronger creatures. You will pump them up to 9-10 power anyway so that 1-2 more power they have isn't gonna do much.
disagree 100% Otherworldly Outburst isn't played for the pump, it preserves your board when you go to "wrath" yourself with Spawning Breath or Make Mischief, also provides an obscene amount of mana with Ashnod's Altar/Phyrexian Altar/Thermopod

>>52023198

>Get bullied all game by 1 player
>From 40 to 11
>Already dead next turn
>Fuck him over because I'd rather the other fag win over him
>"WTF WHY U JUST PLAYING AGAINST ME BRO"

They sometimes deserve it

>>52023560
AN EYE FOR AN EYE MAKES THE WHOLE WORLD BLIND

>>52024197
Fuck off cunt, next you're gonna say that Atraxa is not worth the mana

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>>52023841
You should probably add blue for more card draw and being able to bounce some lands to your hand

>>52025943
How is she not overcosted? She's a Baneslayer Angel Thrumming Bird hybrid in a format with 40 life and playable counter doublers. Best case scenario she sticks around a few turns smacking some players while proliferating some cards. That's hardly impactful.

>>52026069
>has the same keywords as a 5 mana creature with the added ability to proliferate for free
>for 1 less mana
>overcosted
By your logic everything that isn't a Goyf is overcosted

>>52023841
Land Tax?

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>>52026069

>>52026069
>4CMC with BETTER keyword soup than a 5CMC mythic whose only trait is having keyword soup
>AND the most reliable, cheapest source of proliferate, second only to Inexorable Tide

5/10 I took the bait

>>52024197
A lot of commanders are great because they can be exactly that, though; commanders. Surrak is good because you can cast Surrak into Exarch into Kiki-Jiki with counter backup against the removal and nobody can stop you.

>>52023198
Singleton Vintage. Playing fast-paced games with powerful cards is fun.

>>52022994
Why do you need the sundial?

>>52026121
>>52026242
>>52026358
>Goyf is overcosted
Coincidentally Tarmogoyf and Baneslayer Angel are also fucking worthless in Commander, a format with 40 life.

>source of proliferate
Which is an incredibly weak mechanic. Like I said her absolute best case scenario is your opponents never interacting with you and she speeds up a Planeswalker ult or seven and you win the game. If that were going to happen you were going to win the game anyways. She's a poor value engine who's best synergy is with a card that hardly needs it, Jitte.

>>52026600
>Surrak is good because you can use him to flash in a 3CMC creature that already has flash and then use him to flash in a 5CMC creature that wins through combat and has haste, but with counter backup if you decide to spend all 8 mana before your turn even though that provides absolutely no benefit to you
Please run that through your head one more time. On that note if you're using him as a combo commander you could just run Animar and have a bunch of one-card combos in your deck instead of needing to tutor for two cards.

But seriously please justify flashing in a combo that wins through combat on the turn you play it anyways.

>>52026772
To exile that rather import Lose the Game trigger.

>>52026875
The numbers don't lie; Surrak twin is a real, and actually competitive, deck.

>>52027082
Tazri Food Chain
Scion Hermit Druid
Karador Boonweaver
Grixis Storm
On occasion Prossh Food Chain

Those are competitive decks. Bad RUG combo decks that fold to interaction that wreck your FNM full of children and teenagers are not competitive.

>>52027120
>implying I've built Surrak twin

>>52027155
I would love to know your basis as to "the number" then. At least anecdotal fags have a reason they think they're right.

>>52027171
Huh. Mtgtop8 used to have a bunch of Surrak twin lists up there, but I'm not seeing any. Guess it's fallen out of favour.

>>52026875
>Coincidentally Tarmogoyf and Baneslayer Angel are also fucking worthless in Commander, a format with 40 life.
>a potential 8/9 (most of the times a 5/6 pr 6/7 in multiplayer) for 2 mana is worthless because you have 40 life
Oh i get it, you must be the idiot that thinks that Serra Ascendant is bad

>>52027238
Commander is a combo format because virtually none of the powerful engines or tutors are banned. If we're talking about casual metas then the ones I've seen don't even use fetches so Goyf would hover around 3/4 or 4/5 until well into the game when artifacts and enchantments start getting hit by board wipes.

Serra Ascendant in a casual meta is pretty good because it will usually swing multiple times and make large life swings that are significant even in commander.

>>52027238
>I cast tarmogoyf, behold my 2 mana vanilla fucking 5/6
>cool, cast isochron scepter imprinting dramatic reversal, comet storm the table for 987654321?

>it's a "moron wants to ban serra ascendant but everytime he gets called out on this, he says he doesn't, but any time someone says it isn't banworthy he """thinks""" you believe the card is bad" episode.

This shitposter brings it up every other thread. The best course of action is to just not respond to serra ascendant posters, or copy/paste the below text:

"Serra ascendant is a good card but will only ever be a banworthy card unless the format's rules radically change. Get over it."

>>52019200
The banlist is retarded, and will be retarded until wizards takes it over from Sheldon against his will, wresting the format from his limp wrists. I look forward to the day that Sheldon's fun police attitude dies.

>>52024045
To be fair all the Tarkir Khans are pretty strong in their own rights

>Anafenza fucks up anyone running sacc/recursion decks
>Zurgo is one of the easier commanders to get Voltron running
>Sidisi is a decent mill engine
>Narset is fucking Narset