Warhammer 40,000 General

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How accurate is this summary my friend on Skype sent me?

>>51940610
Truly, the worst primarch

>>51940610
I think the reason he wasn't able to help during the Horus Heresy was because Horus, knowing the threat Guilliman and his legion posed, sent Alpharius and his legion to distract him.

Okay, let's get this on the table. Everyone ignores it but I feel it bares debate:

Why are space marine shotguns Str. 3 AP- Assault 2?

This is dumb. Why? Because IG veterans get the same shotguns. But in the IG, that's perfect: You exchange a Str. 3 AP- 24" rapid fire gun for a Str. 3 AP- 12" Assault 2 gun. A straightforward exchange of long range (but reduced) fire for the ability to assault.

But Space Marines using these? Makes no sense in-bame and in-lore. In-game it's such a downgrade that you just use your pistols that come free with every tactical anyways. In lore, apparently nobody thought to upsize a shotgun for the astartes!

Proposal:
Space Marine Shotgun:
>Str. 4 AP5 Assault 2 12" range.

There! Now that guy who bitches about bolters not being good enough gets his assault gun, and the shotgun/longarm exchange is even in both imperial subfactions.

Yay or Nay?

>>51940610
The Codex Astartes isn't supposed to be followed rigorously. It was never intended to be the be-all and end-all of military tactics, but a comprehensive primer that can be added to as time went on. In one of the novels, IIRC, Robute even says that it's no match for genuine insight and innovation. And for all that, it isn't "kinda shit" either. Even followed absolutely 100% by the book, it's still an in-depth, comprehensive series of lecture on how to prepare for and prosecute war in an efficient, effective manner.

>>51940711

Isn't there a Tau relic which is just a Codex Astartes copy your commander can read to outwit space marines by perfectly predicting them?

Where can a leaf buy models at non GW prices other than ebay?

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>first leaks say the triumverate will be formed to defeat Abaddon once and for all

>the new leaks claim they are going to focus on Magnus, who is set to kill Gulliverman

So which is it? They aren't killing Magnus right?

>>51940711
Also: the absorption of the two "lost legions" is in-universe rumour and hearsay, with no strong evidence behind it either way. Might have happened, might not.

And he didn't deliberately sit the Heresy out, because the Traitors managed to conjure an enormous warp storm which cut Ultramar off from the wider galaxy. What he DID do, however, was lay the groundwork for a second Imperium, centered around Ultramar, in the event that Terra fell and everything needed to be rebuilt from the ground up.

>>51940728
Tau technically don't have relics.

>>51940610
>Meant to rigidly follow
>it's bad
WRONG.

The Codex Astartes is 40k's version of The Art of War if said book was top secret and only 1,000,000 of the greatest soldiers of mankind had access to it. Robert Gullman never meant it to be followed to the letter, though some chapters such as the Hammers of Dorn do this anyways, and have amazing tactical sense and victories regardless.

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>>51940610
>not really much of a general
He's literally Sun Tzu in space. An unparalleled tactician bar none, what I take issue with is him beating the shit out of everyone as if he's Leman Russ in the new fluff.

>modelled after Ancient Rome
More like "GW can't write for shit so it was basically Rome"

>wrote the book of tactics space marines are meant to rigidly follow to the letter
>infamously kinda shit
>the chapters who toss it out the window are generally the more fun ones
Now your friend presents himself as a 1d4tard. None of that is true. The Codex:
>is more like a set of guidelines than actually rules
>is responsible for Marines having the edge over Chaos Marines despite the experience gap
>is ignored by snoozefest chapters like Imperial Fists
Also Guilliman fucking spelled out that nobody was supposed to treat its word as law because he valued tactical flexibility and a willingness to adapt in war, just like a certain someone.

>build his own mini-empire
He was just successful.
>tolerated because it was very efficient
It was tolerated because nobody considered him a traitor and he was doing it in the Emperor's name.

>he took their men
He didn't. Their men were slaughtered. He's thinking of traitors absorbed during The Scouring.
>personal army
It's his fucking legion.

>tried to sit it out
No, he got Calth'd, then thought Emps was dead because of warp storms. So he created the Imperium Secundus to replace the Imperium he thought had already fallen apart.
>strongarm him into helping
He literally made Sanguinius the next Emperor and only called a halt because Sangy got bored and fucked off to see if dad was ok.

>political and military reforms that are honestly largely to blame for how much the imperium declined
Untrue.

>steal the Emperor's sword
It was a gift from Cawl and friends.


Tell him to stop watching TTS, get the fuck off of 1d4chan, and read the fucking lore.
Also
>Skype
>2017

>>51940707
I like how you wrote all that up without looking up the profile of space marine shotguns.

>>51940610
>>51940711 covered the Codex Astartes issue, although to be fair, we don't know if he changed his mind after the Heresy. Maybe the shame and grief pushed him to change his mind.

Also, the UMs absorbing the lost Legions is only a rumour. ADB himself has said not to put much stock in it.

>>51940707
SM Scout shotguns are Str 4 because reasons. Guard should have S4 shotties too. Not like the ability to assault is much better for them.

>>51940707
No, because the shotguns are only used by Scouts, and they do their job fine.

Also that's not even the Scout Shotgun profile.

>>51940742
Nicely put. Would like to add that TTS is good fun (I find it hilarious), but don't use it as a source of lore, just as you shouldn't use satire as a source of news.

>>51940742
>Codex is ignored by IF
Wat

The IF and their successors (bar the one chapter that are canonically seen as weirdos by every other chapter) are strict adherents to the codex.

>>51940762
That or shotguns should have shred like the Krieger shotguns. Would make up for the lack of AP

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>>51940610
Oh boy. That's a whole lot of bullshit

Guilliman is one of the best generals out of the primarchs. He is fa and away the best statesman, but that by no means diminishes his capacity as a warrior. Only horus and the lion are arguably better generals.

He was never a senator, his father konor was. Much like what happened after the emperors death, bobby G arrived late to see konor betrayed and dying, killed by his most trusted friend, and tried to hunt down all the traitors, before taking control of his fathers empire.

The codex is far and away superior to the legion format, and the space wolves and BT are both morons. Plus it's not supposed to be rigidly followed, but treated like guidelines. That's girlyman's own view. It is most certainly not kinda shit.

The empire thing is mostly true

The two legions being folded in has never been 100% confirmed AFAIK,mand the ultras would be massive without it.

He was not trying to sit out, he couldn't get past the ruinstorm and thought the imperium was dead, and decided the emperor's ideals should be carried on.

His changed to the imperium are the only reason it's been around for 10,000 years. Without it the imperium would have crumbled the moment the last primarch was gone. Alongside the codex, this is arguably his greatest sucess, and a testimony to his prowess as a stateman

He's been rumored to be healing, but until GS part 3 comes out, we won't know what actually happened.

Your friend is an uniformed Guilliman hater.
>mfw

>>51940577
Where's the fucking Duncan video?

>>51940742
>Tell him to stop watching TTS, get the fuck off of 1d4chan, and read the fucking lore.
I wish more people did this. That way, people would stop repeating fanwank like the Lords of Decay attacking Pluto, or that unnamed Terminator armour in the Meduson anthology being the Saturnine pattern, as if it were canon.

>>51940610

Face it, Gulliman is the guy who would have eventually led the heresy as a secular coup were chaos nor around to fuck things up first.

>>51940730
I doubt it, he just got a model so they probably won't kill him off yet.

>>51940730
>killing a daemon
Lrn2lore fgt

Worst case scenario is Magnus is banished back into the warp and then pops out a few minutes later complaining about how boring the last thousand years were.

>>51940786
Last wall protocol

>>51940807
>Plus it's not supposed to be rigidly followed
Well, apparently a fair chunk of the SMs managed to forget that after his little run-in with Fulgrim's sword.

How do we fix Black Legion, Iron Warriors, Thousand Sons, Word Bearers, and Night Lords?

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Posting a casual Skitarii/Knight list for 1500. Worried about the lack of models, but god damn the idea of 9 Plasma cannon shots a turn with PE gets me rock hard. Should I drop them for an extra squad of Vanguard.

>>51940856
That's not guilliman's fault.
It's also not that true, IIRC even papa smurf said you shouldn't follow it to the letter.

>>51940858
>Night Lords
Remove those stupid wings from their helmet's.

>>51940610

Wrong, he was one of the best generals. Very few were better than him, like Horus and Lion, yet he learned from them and admitted their superiority in order to better himself.

Wrong on Codex Astartes.

Wrong on absorbing lost legions.

Wrong on sitting out during the Heresy.

So fucking wrong on post-Heresy. Guilliman's changes are the ONLY reason the Imperium lasted 10,000 years without the Primarchs and Emperor.

Your friend is a complete dipshit.

>>51940729

Have you considered obtaining gainful employment, fellow leaf?

>>51940827
Duncan's been down here in Australia, so no new videos until he's back in England.

I thought they'd have had some recorded though, seeing as how they apparently film some a while in advance.

>>51940742
>>51940807
>>51940740

>Gulliman said the codex was just guidelines

Yes, and that's mean to be ironic. Everyone treats it as dogmatic perfection to be followed at all times when the author himself knew it was just his collected advice.

>>51940893
>Yes, and that's mean to be ironic.

Your days as a novice are behind you, Anonymous.

>>51940867
>even papa smurf said you shouldn't follow it to the letter.
Which contradicts his treatment of Ventris and Lysane in the UM novels:
>Ventris: My tactical flexibility won us the day!
>Calgar: Violate muh Codex, will you? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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I want Celestine and Girlyman to fuuuuck oh man do I want them to fuck in the middle of a battle

>>51940729

Most non-GW stores that sell GW products should be selling them at 20% off. The vast majority of online stores do this.

>>51940880

>Wrong, he was one of the best generals. Very few were better than him, like Horus and Lion, yet he learned from them and admitted their superiority in order to better himself.

Since fucking when? His entire schtick is that he just wanted to be a politician.

>>51940893
>Yes, and that's mean to be ironic
"Ironic" in GW's usual way of "everything was better then, now it's shit! Look how grimdark everything is!"

Or, at least until the nobledark started to creep in with the recent focus on superhero-tier antics.

So given that Guilliman was healed by being french-kissed by an eldar goth prostitute, does this mean that the elves and the imperium are officially allied now?

>>51940742

Everyone thinks just because Guilliman is the best diplomat, logistician, empire builder, and one of the best generals, he somehow can't be a fighter. He's a warrior noble too. The only Primarchs that are going to be manhandling him are combat specialists like Angron, Khan, Fulgrim, Sanguinius, etc, or Horus who is basically good at everything including combat just like Guilliman.

Guilliman isn't the Greek version of Lorgar.

>>51940906
I might be wrong about it.
I remember reading it somewhere.
Either way, even if he does follow it exactly to the letter he's got more honors than anybody except guilliman in the ultras history, so he's doing something right

>>51940933
No

>>51940928
>Since fucking when?

He wrote the fucking Codex Astartes you fucking idiot. In which he takes strategies from not just Lion but Corax too after losing to him three times at space chess.

And also from one of his lines where he admits certain Primarchs are better than him or when he names the best four.

>>51940907
>defining guilliman with cheap Bolter bitch whores
GUILLIMAN IS NOT FOR LEWD

>>51940933
Was this part of the WD leaks? I haven't looked over them properly yet.

>>51940960

Yeah, Guilliman x Ultramarine gay sex only. Gotta keep that geneseed bloodline pure, free from the taint of woman.

>>51940960
Nah, I want to see Celestine trying to fit his "Spear of Macragge" in her tight little bootyhole.

Is it strange that I like girlyman but hate ultramarines?

>>51940935
Where did I say he couldn't be a fighter? He's still a Primarch. All I said is that I have a problem with him smashing the forces of the Black Legion literally single-handedly like the prince of all Mary Sues the Ward haters label him as. It's shit writing.

>Guilliman isn't the Greek version of Lorgar
He wasn't Greek, he was Roman. Learn the difference you fucking Philistine.

>>51940928
>His entire schtick is that he just wanted to be a politician.
Except that's wrong. He wrote the codex for Christ sake, Guilliman was interested in basically everything.

He was not just a poltitican, he was many many things, including a master general

>>51940985
>All I said is that I have a problem with him smashing the forces of the Black Legion literally single-handedly like the prince of all Mary Sues the Ward haters label him as
Not him, but what else would you expect from a primarch? Him getting jobbed by a bunch of litterally whos?

>>51940955

>He wrote the fucking Codex Astartes you fucking idiot. In which he takes strategies from not just Lion but Corax too after losing to him three times at space chess.

>And also from one of his lines where he admits certain Primarchs are better than him or when he names the best four.

Why are you posting evidence he was one of the weaker millitary Primarchs whilst claiming it proves the opposite?

If anything, that just underlines his good politician schtick: He knows when to shut up and listen to expertise.

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>>51940983
Not at all. Sanguinius is indisputably the best Primarch but the Blood Angels in 30k are bland and in 40k they're my least favorite snowflake Marine codex.

>>51940830
>fanwank like the Lords of Decay attacking Pluto

Where'd this notion come from, then? I've seen it repeated a large number of times but I don't usually pay much attention to Chaos fluff so I assumed it was legitimate. A quick google shows it being cited to either the 4th or 6th ed Chaos codex or else Siege of Vraks (fucking fanwankwiki is shit at sourcing)

>>51940979
>gay sex
NOT FOR LEWD.

Go masturbate over fulgrim you slaneeshi degenerate.

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>>51940577
I've just started an Thousand Sons army, and have a Chaos Space Marine squad to paint up. wondering if anyone has any pics of Thousand Sons, Chaos Space Marines, not Rubric marines, or thousand sons with egypt heads.
I'm talking, normal Chaos Space Marines, in Thousand Sons colours. please please.

Is it okay to mix weapons on Crisis suits?

Do you think Rowboat likes getting pegged?

>>51940985

Even Lorgar could wade through a legion.

>>51940985
>Where did I say he couldn't be a fighter? He's still a Primarch. All I said is that I have a problem with him smashing the forces of the Black Legion literally single-handedly like the prince of all Mary Sues the Ward haters label him as. It's shit writing.
Expect more of this shit in the future. 40K seems to be turning into a superhero drama more and more with each new book these days. As old as it might make me sound, I miss the days where GW didn't feel the need to spam special characters doing Sueish bullshit, and focused more on the actual armies doing battle around them.

>>51940983

No, but I like the Ultramarines and don't particularly care for Girlyman and so we must fight to the death you filthy fucking pleb

>>51940983

You're just in denial because of Ultra Ward memes.

>>51941021
Depends on their role and the weapons. Generally it's better not to though, or at least include a Target Lock if you're planning on it.

>>51941018
I've seen it on 40K Wiki and 1d4chan, but never found anything citing the actual book (if any) it came from. Lexicanum doesn't mention it at all either, which is quite damning.

As someone who owns all of those books, none of them mention it at all, so I'm considering it fanwank until someone comes up with a legitimate source.

>>51941003
>Why are you posting evidence he was one of the weaker millitary Primarchs whilst claiming it proves the opposite?

Are you fucking retarded? It was literally just stated that Lion is one of the only two generals better than him.

Corax never beat Guilliman at chess again after winning three times. What does that fucking tell you.

>>51941001

Personally I'd expect a Primarch to be unstoppable because I have eyes and have been paying any attention to black library whatsoever.

Doesn't mean it's not awful writing though. It makes zero sense for the Primarchs to be literal demigods going by the original fluff for them. It's like everyone on the writing staff forgot what a legend is simultaneously when it came time to crack open the heresy novels.

The worse part is that this shit is inexplicably popular.

>>51941043
>tfw EoT was a full blown military campaign
>tfw Gathering Storm 1 and 2 is just a story about how Abbadon is the evilest and Cawl and Celestine have to 1v1 him while Yvraine singlehandedly undoes 10000 years of regression and unites the entire Eldar species while also forming Ynnead so they can join up with the Imperium's badassiest of heroes to go revive the king of badass heroes to solo the enemy army

>>51940979
Go back to be lionel, nobody wants to hear your fantasies, and you need to be well rested for your return

>>51941003
>the only generals better than Guilliman are Lion and Horus, who Guilliman absorbed and learned from to master their techniques
>LOL THAT'S JUST PROOF THAT GUILLIMAN SUCKS

holy shit youre dumb

>>51941075

>Corax never beat Guilliman at chess again after winning three times. What does that fucking tell you.

That Gulliman is good at board games.

>>51941069
I was thinking about having one with a pair of fusion blasters with the target lock. I've only played orks so I'm kind of overwhelmed with all the weapons and systems with the hard point stuff.

>>51941097
>That Gulliman is good at board games.
So he's /ourguy/

>>51941076
>going by the original fluff for them

Fuck off, RT isn't even canon. The Emperor was literally just a regular fucking dude in the original fluff too don't see you bitching about that.

>>51941102
Also, stimulant injectors look expensive, but it looks like crisis suits attract a bit of fire, are they worth?

>>51941097
>losing to Corax three times

Corax sucks at board games. The dude was raised as a slave and got butthurt over his Terran legionnaires being alphas

Guilliman confirmed for netlisting scrub

>>51941126
So he's /ourguy/

>>51941058
Not even that, even in fiction outside of their codex they swiftly defeat insurmountable enemies
One of the easiest ways to introduce a new ultrasmurf OC has been to have them and their merry band of brothers defeat the same enemIes with the same tactics, even when said enemy is known for its tactical prowess (particularly the swarmlord, who can't be beaten by the same attack twice basically but falls for it every time)
It's all just so unimaginative to me

what's the best ultramarines successor chapter

I want to use guilliman but ultramarines are what everyone uses

>>51941146
>"I'm telling you, Dorn, the Riptide is basically the Tau's TEQ!"

>>51940577

Any alternative for the quick reference sheets?
That dropbox link is 404.

>>51941111

As late as 3rd edition, prolly even later, the heresy era was depicted as a time of myth lost to history, retold only as legends and religious dogma.

And then I come back after 14 years and everything is about unstoppable 10 foot melodrama queens it physically hurts to look at because they're so perfect, killing armies with their bare fists and wrestling Titans.

If anything the myths about the Primarchs were tame compared to the events of the heresy novels.

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>>51941163

They're all pretty same-ish, go for either the weird ones who are for some reason an Ultra successor but seem more like they should be from another Primarch, or the ones with a cool color scheme like Mortifactors.

In the RPG I think the Novamarines' geneseed flaw is that they hate xenos so fucking much eventually they become obsessed with killing xenos, even peaceful ones or even if it would jeopardize the mission by attacking the xenos, so they go full xenos murderhobo.

>>51941180

BL ruins everything. Should just stick to FW's take on 30k, although you'll still have 10 foot tall guys wrestling titans. But at least it'll be more like Dynasty Warriors in space, and less like whatever daddy issue garbage BL is pushing out.

>horus heresy novels

Yup I was right, BL.

>>51941102
As long as it's a single suit with a target lock in a larger squad, it can work fine. Something to consider might be running it as a single suit separate from the larger squad, but that might not be as possible for some detatchments.

The bigger things to consider is what they're going to be shooting at, and from what distance. Hordes, elite infantry, or vehicles, it's generally good to go with a goal in mind. Missiles and flamers are the only ones that can really be safely mixed in without much worry. Flamers as a cheap anti-assault incentive in addition to real guns, and missiles as a longer range option that's good against most targets.

>>51941123
Stims tend to get pricey if you stick them on everything. It would be best on squads you expect to be in more protracted firefights with things. Less good on a missile team that's going to be at long ranges, but better for things in the thick of it. Also good for when running a suit solo.

>>51941083
Exactly, thank you.
I'm not against special characters doing things as a general rule, I just don't like the superhero antics that they've been writing lately, since it reads more and more like a cartoon targeted at eleven-year-olds.

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>>51941203
>tfw it won't be hard to make that XIII into VIII

Do you think Guilliman will ban the imperial cult?
It would be a great way of squatting the sisters.

>>51941256
>implying the Sisters wouldn't oppose with violence

>>51941163
I was gonna start my space marines force when Guilliman is released and have different units be different chapters, like have a tactical squad that are Novamarines, another that are Genesis Chapter, an Assault squad that are from the Hawk Lords, a Devastator squad from the Fire Angels, so on and so forth.

>>51941231

Welcome to modern GW and their AoS/WHFB herohammer bullshit. If you want military campaigns go to FW. Imperial Armour and 30k are more technical than even EoT ever was. They even have fucking bombardment target maps with land navigation scales.

>>51941020
every thousand son which isn't a sorceror is a rubric marine

Anyone have experience with shipping proxies? All the good retailers are Europe only

>>51941123
No. Injectors on three crisis suits are worth another crisis suit with a twin linked gun and precision shots. And they still won't work if you get S8'd.
>>51941021
I recommend not mixing weapons. Just make another squad.

>>51941203
I've been looking at fire angels, doom eagles, and doom legion

>>51941169
>implying Guilliman wasn't a Gladius and grav spammer

That actually leads to a good question though: besides their own chapter or legion, what 40k army would the primarchs play?

>>51941345
Russ would play World Eaters. I guarantee it.

>>51941345
Girlyman would play Tyranids because seeing through the enemies eyes and Macragge and shiet

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Reposting to get a bit more feedback.

So I could:

> find the point to get a lord or sorc in the bike back
> split the bike back up
> do something else /tg/ suggests

>>51941309
So. I guess i'd paint my Normal Chaos Space marines up in the same colours then? but they are just cultists for Tzeetch or what?

>>51941279
Yeah, FW's always been great for that. I was hoping that AoS would be a decent way of containing GW's Herohammer fixation, but not anymore.

I know that they're likely trying to appeal to a younger customer base, but that doesn't mean I have to like the results.

>>51941345

Alpharius plays Genestealer Cults, and painstakingly converts and paints them before every game to look like subtly gene-corrupted members of his opponent's army to sow further confusion.

>>51941345
Dorn would play DkoK, since their the best loyalists besides his boys at building walls.
Pert would play IF, but complain because he wanted to play death korps, but dorn got them instead.

Has no none seen this yet?

http://m.imgur.com/a/PaiKx

>>51941367
they could be renegade space marines dedicated to the thousand sons legion, but they wouldn't be thousand son's space marines

>>51941345
>Horus

>Leman Russ
World Eaters
>Ferrus Manus
Necrons
>Fulgrim
Dark Eldar
>Vulkan
Sisters
>Dorn
Guard
>Guilliman
Tailors his list to beat yours, plays all armies but mains Tau
>Magnus
Loves the Librarius Conclave
>Sanguinius
Brings Celestine to every game.
>The Lion
DARK ANGELS ARE THE BEST REEE
>Perturabo
R&H
>Mortarion
Necrons, but he never plays anything but Decurion and constantly faps to the Oldcron fluff representing his army so much better.
>Lorgar
Daemons (cool kind not gay kind)
>Khan
Saim-Hann
>Curze
Eldar Corsairs fluffed to be as edgy as the Dark Eldar but aren't actually evil.
>Angron
Doesn't have much patience for playing the game, so he just plays whichever army lets him get to melee as fast as possible.
>Corax
I want to say Iyanden, but he never actually turns up at the store.
>Alpharius
GSC

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>>51941267
>sisters opposing a direct decree from the son of god

I wish ork players would realize how good they have it. How the fuck is my skyhammer annihilation force supposed to compete with nobs in a naut?

>>51941431
on the contrary we have all already seen it

>>51941494
Wonderful.
now i know this.
Does anyone have any pics of "Renegade Thousand Sons" space marines for me to check out?

Same Ork player considering dipping into Tau (love the look of Broadsides and Crisis suits). I've heard that Pathfinders aren't actually that good, any thoughts? Looking at the Optimized Path Finder Team and it looks like good value.

>>51941527
>bringing Nobz in a Naut against fluffy Skyhammer players
What the fuck. This reminds me of the game I didn't have last weekend. I just wanted to test out my Wraithknight in a casual game ans this Ork motherfucker goes and sets up a Dred Mob. Needless to say I just quietly packed away my jetbikes and left without a word.

>>51941525

Said sons of god have a 50% heresy rate.

>>51941541
literally they could be painted however you want, possibly as rubrics

I don't think anyone has any pictures for you because I think you're the first to try and add non-rubric marines to a thousand sons army

>>51941431
> Triumvirate of the Primarch
> 90$

Well, that's actually reasonable, I thought it would be overprice shit.

>>51941256

The imperium would basically collapse if they tried to put it through such a dramatic change.

>>51941569
Getting Started are so cheap, and it has a HQ Helbrute and Chaos Space Marine squad. But i see. Should be fun then.

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>>51941541

Just fluff them as some Sorcerer's personal body guards/strike force that he uses to kill other Sorcerers and steal their dedicated Rubrics. As far as pics go, I don't have any, sorry. Google isn't being helpful but pic related, maybe?

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>>51941525
Traitor Primarchs exist, anon.

>>51941587
yeah see >>51941591 these guys are clearly renegade space marines and they look tzeentchy and would fit into a 1k sons army.

They could definitely swear fealty to a sorceror or maybe wish to become sorceror's themselves.

This is actually a pretty cool idea and I wish I thought of it myself

>>51941256
The last thing the IoM needs is more internal conflict. And that's if Celestine doesn't convince him that daddy's ascended. Even if he doesn't like it, Guilliman's pragmatic enough to roll with it while the literal legions of hell are knocking.

>>51941591
>>51941625
Definitely helps, google only shown up with thousand sons haha. But atleast i learnt why today. I will fluff them over-time, probably as Psi-Monks who want to control their warp-chaosy stuff and see Tzeentch as the best out for that.

Seeking as much knowledge as possible of course.

Excited to see what's going to happen now. So far i have
Sorcerer in Terminator Armour.
Chaos Space Marine Squad.
Rubric Squad
Occult Terminator Squad.

I'll just paint them gold and blue then. like Rubrics. but less rubric looking.

>>51940610

Hes your friend so you should believe him and protect him from all the lying neckbeards. You should also continue your healthy habit of limiting your reading comprehension to Facebook posts, as books are harmful to the mind.

Who would win between a tooled up riptide and 999 ork boys?

>>51940610
that summary about the codex is beyond fucktarded, your friend is probably a Space Wolves babby

>>51941664
well they don't have rubric heads, so they're very clearly not rubrics

I'm glad you're excited though, most people get upset when people tell them "your idea is contrary to the lore"

I hope to see pictures when you have them painted up

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>>51941577

>$90 for a large model and 2 normal sized models
>reasonable

>>51940861
i think you should split up the sicarians
otherwise, maybe you should drop the buildings to take barebone vanguard for cancer-gun fun or rangers to camp on objectives

>>51940742
based

>>51941670
if the nobz have PKs then the orks will win

>>51941256

No. The preview hints that Guilliman's constant clashes with the Chaos gods and the traitor primarchs will test and change him. He will ultimately find the Imperial cult a short term necessity out of the realization that humanity's belief in the Emperor's vision of humankind is the true antithesis of Chaos until an ideal resolution could be reached, such as Yvraine uniting the Emperor's soul with Ynnead's existence to give birth to the Star Emperor, Eternal Master of the Aelterran Imperium.

>>51941670
It takes 90 charging Sluggas to kill a Riptide, so yes, they will win. They'll win faster if the boyz get Nobs with gear of the Ork player's choosing. As for shooting, with that many boyz on the board the Riptide literally does not have enough room to JSJ around and will eat a tide of charges in short order.

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What are you working on, anons?
Play any games lately?
Plan to?

Just finished re-basing my Purifiers to 32mm bases after over a weeks break of not doing any hobbying. I'm not sure if I want to do the Librarian, Inquisitor, and Dreadknights bases yet.
Here's a pic of all the boys together. Hopefully things get better for us in 8th.

>>51941694
The way i see it. the universe is so expansive and deep, that, anything goes as long as it isn't like "Orks joining the imperial guard" Tiers of retardation.

I might very well come back and post pics of them when they're done in a general sometime.

I think it makes more sense aswell, i have Ahriman I forgot to mention, and he could've helped some CSM's out with their psychic shit or whatever. and that's why they're around or whatever.
I play a Tau Army before this one, and just excited to have all these Psychic dice and non-shit close combat finally.

>>51941718
Aeternal Master*

>>51940906
Ventris abandoned his battle brother Ultramarines to assist Deathwatch
no fucking shit he was going to get punished

>>51941345
Lion - chaos space marines

>>51941731
>When you forget to add "Post your armies, anons."

Post 'em, boys.

>>51941731
>Things get better for us in 8th
literally filthy. fucking grey knights.

>>51941750
I said not his own legion anon

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finished my Emperor's Wrath Artillery Company Commander!

Pls r8, no b8, no h8

How OP is a: STR 9 AP 3, Twinlinked, Ignores Cover, pie plate??

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How worth is it to pick up the dual bundle of Calth and Prosperous for someone wanting to start 30k but also use the models in 40k?

That's like 10 Terminators, 60 Marines, 2 HQ's, 1 Dread, 5 SOS, and 5 Custodes. Also a SW and TS.

That decent?

>>51940830
>>51940742
>>51940610
Honestly, I still read 1d4chan because I had only slight knowledge of 40k and it kinda got me into it. Granted, after that I went and started reading Codecies because I wanted to be a fan of the series rather than memes. Still, the memes can be funny as can TTS, but I myself know it's not a substitute

>>51941731
Working on Dark Eldar

Recently played my last game with Tau before I shelve them for good for being boring. Versus Blood Angels. We ran out of time and were fairly even in points so we just had his dread fight my ghostkeel to determine who won. He won.

Not planning on any more games until my deldar are finished. Tau are just too boring.

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>>51941700

>spend $90 on a boxed set of a giant manrobot

or

>spend a little extra for an entire army

HMMMMMMMMMMMM

>>51941553
Along this same note the twin linked plasma rifles on Broadsides are only used if something is already going wrong right? As in they shouldn't be used if they have them and from there shouldn't have them at all?

>>51941766

No rules for Tartaros in 40k. The only Astartes who still use Heresy-grade power armor are the hunter predation fleets like the Space Sharks. Whatever army you paint up will have to be Minotaurs, Space Sharks, or a special snowflake chapter - all of which can only be played as Blackshields in 30k.

>>51941732
The blood axes have worked for human forces as mercenaries before

>>51941731
biel-tan eldar, i need to prime a bunch of models and get more magnets for a vyper (and every heavy weapon i got just because i might wanna go all EML or starcannons 1 day)

>>51941766
It's worth it just for the power armor alone. If you're planning to use the custodes, sisters, characters or dreadnought it becomes obscenely good value (relative to FW prices )

>>51941799
Can't I just run them as normal Terminators?

>>51941766
>>51941808

Its obscenely good value in the context of any box set.

>>51941777
>almost literally double
>a little extra

>literally mint BNIB
>fetch me the Simple Green-tier painting and probably shit assembly too
Gee I wonder why it costs less

>>51941777
Those are some professionally painted models

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>>51941800
Well i'll be damned.
How awesome is that?

>>51941815
Yeah.

>>51941815

You can run your space marines as tau if your friends are cool with that.

>>51941774
I also play Dark Eldar and Tau. Currently messing around with my Ynnari-Haem Covens combo list. Currently looking at not using a Dark Artisan in place of more Ynnari. Possibly some Harlequins...Grotesquerie's a fucking keeper though.

Tau's mostly shelved right now while I get through the last bits of my DE to paint.

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>>51940577

im really considering getting on the rowboat train. i mean hes the only chance to support a living primarch after all.

plus my problem is more with the chapter, not their primarch

the main problem with this is that i really seriously for real have no fucking clue how to pronounce his dumbfuck name

>>51941431
>"Deciding which Primarch to return was an interesting discussion"

I call bullshit. Knowing GW's Ultraboner for the Ultrasmurfs, Guilliman returning was a foregone conclusion.

>>51940980
Celestine is thicker than a bowl of oatmeal

>>51941868
Row-beaut Gull-uh-men

>>51941868
I just heard an audiobook where they pronounced it "goo-li-man"

>>51941868
Rowboot Gillerman is how they call him on the stream and at WW, but if you want it spelled out real simple then just ask a Frenchfag to pronounce his name for you.

t. Britfag

>>51941868
Ruh-BOO-tay GILL-uh-mun, going by Gareth Armstrong's pronunciation in the audiobooks/dramas.

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>>51941731
I'm almost done with my 2500 list of world eaters, here's a picture of kharn in a stormlord about to take the D unwillingly

>>51941868

>plus my problem is more with the chapter

You're going to have a problem with an entire Legion when all of the successor chapters come home to serve their spiritual liege.

>>51941513
Angron plays biker orks and tableflips when he loses.

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>>51941906
>BOO-tay
thicc girlyman

>>51941917
>unwillingly

>>51941917
but did you charge out of that stormlord?

:^)

>>51941731
I'd keep the T3 'umies on 25mm. Accentuates the size difference.

Though Coteaz is something of a big guy

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Here's a Fire Warrior and a Suit i painted recently.
>>51941694

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>>51941731

Got some cleaning to do.

Otherwise, working on the rest of my Eighth.

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Are you guys ready for Emperor Guilliman?

>>51941921
ULTRAMARINE LEGION CRUSADE HYPE

>>51941958
What the hell m8 ? Thin your paints.

>>51941991
Got to say, the golden swirls have grown on me.

>>51941991
>custodes still don't have their glorious capes

>>51941991
Now I see it, his pose looks fuking stupid.

>>51941871
>GW meeting of future content
>Other staff members begin presentations for bringing back Vulkan, Dorn, Khan, and even Russ
>All presentations have greatly detailed and incredibly well-sourced information behind each one's return
>The smell of Romano slowly fills the room
>The meeting room doors slam open
>Matt Ward comes in screaming incoherencies
>The room now smells entirely of Romano cheese, basil, and olive oil, the other writers gasp for air
>Some the ranting and raving can be discerned
>"ROOBOOT GILLYMAN"...."COMES BACK NOW"..."ULTRAS ARE BEST!"..."FUCK YOU ALL!"
>He slams a small pile of filthy crumpled up napkins onto the table that seem to depict SOMETHING
>The other writers roll their eyes and sigh, obviously familiar with his antics
>Rountree looks over the napkins, the images and writing now clearer, a series of crude drawings and misspelled sentences describing the events we're now seeing unfold in the 3rd Gathering Storm leaks
>Rountree looks back at Matt, who's stained shirt has been thoroughly soaked by a pungent sweat
>"Good job, Matthew! We'll go with this one!"
>He turns to other crestfallen writers
>"Maybe next time, guys. Matty did such a good job!"

>>51942040
The model was chopped up and reposed for this diorama.

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>>51941921
the current ultras are annoying retards

good ultras are like titus, who incidentally has the same outlook on the codex as rowboat

>>51940610
>Guilliman was a traitor!
>Magnus did nothing wrong!
>The Fallen Angels are the real traitors!
>Curze was a hero!
>Dorn was autistic!
>Russ was the strongest primarch!
Granted, the HH is a poorly written cash grab but this fanbase has been tarnished by memes.

>>51941991
This pose looks so much fucking better, please tell me we can pose his legs in any way we want

>>51942013
I have been. i don't think this camera captures them well...

>>51941958
ummm, I would recommend looking up painting tutorials online. think your paints my man.

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>>51942050
What's it like living in 2012, Anon?

Or are you perhaps fresh off the boat from 1d4chan?

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>>51942061
>Curze was a hero

Who the fuck thinks that? I'm a NL-fag and even I would never call him a hero.

>>51942058

Current Ultras leadership will be corrected, although they were already evolving because of the Tyrannic Wars.

Successors as a whole reflect Guilliman's will of a tactically flexible fast-reaction collection of elites and will bring their combined diverse strength into the might of Ultramar.

>>51942061

What you and your circlejerk of store friends pass around as "funny jokes" neither count as memes nor as lore.

>>51942094
The one tripfag who claims Curze as his stupid sexy husbando would disagree with you.

>>51942071
It's better, but I still don't think I'm ever going to really like this model, thanks to the general lack of restraint behind it.

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>>51942013
Atleast i know to thin them more i guess. What would you suggest best for thinning paint? i usually mix it with Water? a little bit.

Trying to get super nice at painting. Wouldn't mind some slick tips.

(The blue is not done yet, on the faces)

>>51942110
Night Lords players are truly the worst

>>51942110
Tell that to a sizeable portion of this board and 1d4chan.

>The Changeling let something out of its cell on the Rock in part 1
>It was actually Luther, free once more, and he completely dissapears
>Guilliman gets to Terra, and meets someone familiar, who somehow managed to sneak past everyone, hiding within one of the old meeting rooms used by the primarchs on Terra
>It's Luther, in truth Lion 'el Jonson
>The Dark Angels, so ashamed with his betrayal, locked him within the rock, but over time completely forgot his tale, mistaking the chaos corrupted monstrocity in its cell as Luther, or something like that
>Shenanigans
I don't know, it'd be a crazy twist that I'm sure they'll pull, something like this.

>>51942124 was meant for: >>51942107

>>51942128
I will quit the hobby if El'Jonson or the Dark Angels are revealed as 'duh reel traiters.'
I should be focusing more on my studies anyway.

>>51941718
>Yvraine uniting the Emperor's soul with Ynnead's existence to give birth to the Star Emperor, Eternal Master of the Aelterran Imperium.
But that's spiritual bestiality with the mon-keigh for the eldar!

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>>51942050
God Jesus the fucking Anti-Ward retards that 1d4chan breeds are obnoxious

>>51942091
is 1d4chan not a good resource?

>>51942124
>>51942139

You should have already come to the basic understanding that most posters on /tg/ neither play the game nor read even the fucking codices that they dare to spew bullshit about.

That much should have already been obvious after how "Belisarius Cawl accidentally an entire planet" memed around for 6 fucking weeks.

>>51942176
Ward made them. He ruined the Ultramarines.

>>51942114

Ask /wip/ for advice, but first read and/or watch every single thing listed or linked to in their first post (OP).

Also be prepared for some mockery since this is 4chan, but you can definitely improve so don't give up

>>51942179
It's good if you're good at identifying what parts of it are real lore, and what's memes. Sometimes the boundaries blur a bit.

>>51942114
I use water as well, maybe your problem is that you applied too much paint. That, or the flash.

So it's revealed in the leaked pages that Guilliman is going to meet Daemon Magnus again, and they fight it out. It'll be interesting having some primarch to primarch chats in 40k. I wonder who the next one will be.

>>51942200
He only doubled down on Ultramarines.
See the second edition codex.
I'm not defended the guy's writing abilites, but the Ward hate train is fueled by 95% memery and shitposting from an overtly negative fanbase.

>>51942218
Baseless rumors are hinting at Fulgrim coming back with a vengeance-boner. I, for one, am mega-hyped.

>>51942200

The fact that people who weren't in the hobby when he was fucking things up are now spewing the anti-Ward rhetoric are obnoxious as shit. It's a meme at this point.

>>51942219
When he should have scaled them back.

He also wanked the GKs off too much.

>>51942238
As a fan of Ultramarines AND the Necron fluff update, I will agree with you.

>>51942179
>>51942209

1d4chan should be treated as a series of sticky notes by your fellow classmates. Gameplay notes are useful, lore notes are less useful. Lexicanum remains the premier 40k wiki, although its becoming increasingly out of date in 7th edition. You ultimately have to read and do research and double check that research on online boards to verify your findings.

>>51942179
It gets shit wrong a lot of the time because it's written by autists who use memes as a resource.

Also it's not nearly as funny as it thinks it is. I can't help but groan every time warp spawns come up, or that godawful angry marines shit

>>51941513
>>Lorgar
>Daemons (cool kind not gay kind)

No, Lorgar would play the gay kind.

>>51942250
When is Warhammer wiki acceptable? Solely as compare contrast with the thought that most of the things that don't line up are because it's incorrect, or are you better off not even bothering with it

>>51942250
>1d4chan should be treated as a series of sticky notes by your fellow classmates.
Yeah if your classmates are a bunch of drooling retards, or freshmen who don't actually know shit about the class you're in.
>Gameplay notes are useful
The tactica pages are shit. Shiiiiit. Only ever look at them to get a BASIC idea of how the army plays and maybe some hints as to what the internal balance is like.
>lore notes are less useful
Understatement of the fucking decade.

>>51942235

Fulgrim literally an entire planet's Militarum in a REDACTED article in Gathering Storm II. He will come to blows with Guilliman again before the end.

>>51941724
>takes more than twice the points to kill a Riptide

Riptides aren't even that good, guys.

>>51942235
Wasn't it in one of the books? I'd hardly call that baseless

>>51942261
Angry Marines, at their inception, were fun. The imperium equivalent of Orks when homebrewed. Now it's cringey as shit. But the Chaos Spawn thing was AIDS to begin with, I wholeheartedly agree.

>>51942276
>jacknicholsonnoddingcreepily.gif
That is gonna best goddamn thing to come out of 40K.
My serpentine, six-limbed body is ready.

>>51940730

Abaddon is brown bread purely on the basis that his model is old as fuck.

>>51942273

Its like a cleaned up 1d4chan that isn't as spot on as Lexicanum. Useful at times, but I wouldn't make it my first stop for anything ever.

>>51942275

If your drooling retard classmate writes down the correct answer to a question and you need to cheat, then just jot down the answer and reserve your comments about the drooling retard. Most gameplay notes aren't spot-on copy/paste, but they offer generally useful insight on the capabilities of a given army and what you should be mentally prepared for.

>>51942288
It's more that boys are shit, and without anti-MC weapons like klawnobs you really shouldn't be expecting them to kill MCs or Walkers anyway. A horde of nothing but Sluggas can't even touch a Wraithlord or Dreadnought, but does that make the Wraithlord and Dreadnought broken? Fucking no.

>>51940861
Still have gets hot on 2s, so you'renot out of the woods yet.

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Fulgrim wont get a model

>Final battle ensues
>Aeldari/Ynnead fighting to kill slaanesh
>Chaos invades Terra
>Guilliman and Fulgrim get into a grudge match
>Fulgrim stands over guilliman, about to strike the fatal blow
>Ynnead succeeds in destroying slaanesh
>Fulgrim is suddenly freed from the daemon
>Guilliman to use the opening to run him through
>Fulgrim looks at him like he's come out of a deep sleep, whispers Ferrus, then dies

You know it to be true

>>51942314
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Shame that Lexicanum is so out of date, but Warhammerwiki is easier to find, so I guess people go to it much quicker which would also explain all the errors.

>>51942324

If the fucking Avatar of Ynnead got a model that is so intimidating to assemble and paint that the fucking Aeldari Triumvirate set is getting rapid discounts online, then GW will go balls on Serpent Commander Fulgrim.

>>51940730
Abaddon is nowhere near Ultramar or Terra. He just sends forces and allies to stop the heroes.

Why are you guys being so stupid? This isn't leaks evem You guys are just making stuff up. I meam fuck you just added the Magnus thing because the WD showed a confrontation between Magnus and Girly is going to happen.

>>51942343
>the fucking Aeldari Triumvirate set is getting rapid discounts online
Wait, what? Is this true? I wanted to pick one up but haven't done so yet.

>>51942357

eBay is your ally in matters of tight wallets

>>51942324

> Comes out of a deep sleep, whispers.

I want to hear more of this fan fiction.

>>51942360
Noted, and I'll take a look, but I try to avoid Ebay because whenever I go there I end up wasting money on OOP shit or buying an amazing bargain deal because it's a bargain on models I was going to buy anyway, but in the far future

>>51942347

Not those faggots but have you seen the fucking galactic map populated by warp storms in Gathering Storm II? Chaos can literally warp anywhere at will now, and if any traitor warlord can pull off a sudden warp jump with his entire fleet from Cadia to Ultramar then its Abaddon (until the Chaos gods choose Huron Blackheart as their new favorite).

>>51942202
Well yes. I know about the 4chins so it's all good.
What is WiP?
>>51942211
Probably the flash.
too bad my phone can't take focused pics without it

>>51942343
>Serpent Commander Fulgrim

I would suck cock to have a Slaanesh triumvirate be Fulgrim+Luscious Lucius and Slaanesh Incarnate, have a small blurb about how Slaanesh has stepped off the great game of chaos and used the vessel that Abaddon gave it to experience the mortal realm.

>>51942250
I think Lexicanum's strict rules are a bit of a double-edged sword. It helps to keep it fanon-free, or just about, but there's apparently a tendency for even legitimate edits to get reverted, which means that it takes a long time for new lore to get added with any real detail. I remember it taking forever for someone to update Cypher's article with all the new lore he got in his 6th edition dataslate.

There's also the issue of them trying to keep people from directly copying and pasting from GW books, which is something a lot of wikis frown upon (and which is rampant on 40K Wiki). I get that, but it can still make updating the articles a pain.

>You ultimately have to read and do research and double check that research on online boards to verify your findings.

Definitely. If I'm using something like 40K Wiki, my first move is to check what looks to be the relevant rulebook, BL novel, etc. for confirmation, using Google to guide me there. Then, I check the other wikis. If that fails, I'll ask on here or something. If that just sends me in a loop, then... shit.

>>51942398

>Slaanesh Incarnate

Nah, it'll be Fabius Bile for certain

>>51942387
>What is WiP?
>>51940106

>>51942398
>post yfw that vessel turns out to be [REDACTED].

>>51942398

But... a warrior of Slaanesh would suck cock on any day ending in y.

>>51942273
It's useful for at least the general picture, or if you want a summary of a Black Library novel, but the editors have a tendency to embellish parts of it with their own speculation (often the bits that were blatantly copy-pasted from Lexicanum or an official source). It's useful, but you'll want to double-check with other sources to be sure about a lot of things.

>>51942401

Generally speaking, you will find the correct answer on /tg/ after enough attempts only after the relevant book material has been scanned and uploaded.

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>>51940916
lmao wat

how does that logic even work?

1) most stores do not in fact do this, at least not the various FLGSs I have visited across the US in my anecdotes. all the ones I have been to are MSRP, in fact I bet GW tries as they can to enforce such an arrangement
2) is the implication here that because online stores are cheaper, brick and mortar places should do the same because . . . ?

I'm trying to piece this together, I'm not sure if it's entitlement or bad business sense or just some bizarre form of morality. This seems like a common sentiment on /tg/, but why?

>>51942305
>tfw American and understand this reference

Am I an honorary limey yet?

>>51942386
Abaddon has to lead the main Chaos offensive and direct the Eye towards Terra. If he isn't there, then the backstabbing shenanigans begins and everything gets derailed. The WD just says that Abaddon sends whatever forces he can spare at Ultramar to prevent the party from ressing the Girly.

Then when the Girly is ressed and heads towards Terra, Magnus and Fateweaver make an appearance.

It's just wishlisting by you guys wanting Abaddon's death

>Huron

You mean the guy who has been established as too weak willed to withstand the undivided attention of the Chaos to the point that he uses sorcerers and technology to postpone his ascension to mindless daemonhood? The last thing he needs is Abaddon's burdern.

>>51940916

>Most non-GW stores that sell GW products should be selling them at 20% off.

In what part of England do you reside, friend?

>>51942288
>it takes infinity guardsmen to kill a rhino
Truly rhinos are the most powerful unit ever.

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>>51942450

Close enough.

>>51942440
>most stores do not in fact do this, at least not the various FLGSs I have visited across the US in my anecdotes.

I said online faggot.

GW sells to retailers at 40-50% off MSRP. For some reason a lot of FLGS sell at MSRP either to make money or because they don't know any better.

99% of online stores sell at 20% off.

>>51942436
Yeah, true. /tg/ is extremely vulnerable to Chinese whispers, but someone eventually turns out to have the book in most cases, so it works out if you can be bothered searching for long enough.

>>51942453

>It's just wishlisting by you guys wanting Abaddon's death

No not really. Abaddon is one of the few HH-era traitors left, and seeing him interact with other characters from the high tide of his Astartes youth is always a treat. Abaddon is like that one dude who wanted to keep the party going long after the scene died out.

>>51942479
>I said online faggot.

fair enough but your language was shit, you just said "stores"

>>51942466

Krak grenades

>>51942505
can only throw 1 now as per the FAQ, krak grenades are now basically worthless

>>51942504
>The vast majority of online stores do this.

The original discussion started with eBay alternatives. Logic dictates that the discussion context is going to revolve around online stores, because you know eBay is a fucking online store.

>>51942440
>how does that logic even work?
How does yours?

>anecdotes
Stopped taking you seriously there.
>I bet GW tries as they can to enforce such an arrangement
GW don't give a shit because your FLGS buys their products ahead of time, so GW has already made its profit on the shit you buy from a third party supplier. Because said suppliers usually buy in bulk they get a discount and they still make a sizeable profit flipping that shit even at 20-25% off MSRP, which by the way IS commonplace. So commonplace, in fact, that I literally do not remember with certainty the last time I bought a non-webstore-exclusive GW mini for its full price. Might have been a Riptide I picked up in 2015, I think.
>is the implication here that because online stores are cheaper, brick and mortar places should do the same because
He literally said he was talking about online stores, but since you asked, they should do it for consistency. Why waste fuel/public transport money to go to a store when you can buy the shit for cheaper online? And before you anecdote me again, let me share my anecdote - my FLGS sells for around 25% off MSRP both in store and online.

>>51942524

You still don't need infinite krak grenades to kill a Rhino even if they're one a squad. Comparing T to AV is also dumb so the original comparison is not only wrong due to krak grenades, it's also disingenuous.

Even if we use a better comparison that didn't involve crappy units like boys, it still takes well above 200 points to kill a Riptide, even with supposed counters like splinter rifles and Dark Lances. It takes over 14 Dark Lances to kill a Riptide, and over 100 splinter shots.

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>>51941724
With a fully kitted riptide wing you might be able to get the job done

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>>51942497
>and seeing him interact with other characters from the high tide of his Astartes youth is always a treat.

You mean what he does everyday since his exile in the Eye and after?

Fabius (picture related), Erebus, Kor Phaeron, Eidolon, Sigmund (First Crusade), Kharn, Khayon, Lyras. etc etc etc. He interacted with all of these guys on a personal level.

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>>51942450
>understand the literally most well-known piece of Cockney rhyming slang
>honourary Brit
You're having a laugh mate. Do one you fucking mug.

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>>51942525
>>51942532
oh I forgot I was on /̶t̶g̶/̶ the shitpost zone

carry on reddit

>>51942557

Yeah and they're all either dead or running their own parties now. Ironically, Abaddon is most talkative with loyalists.

>>51942558
I'm glad you lost control of 25% of the globe.

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>>51940729
Ministomp. Takes awhile to ship but they sell 30% off.

>>51942558

> You're avin' a bubble bath M8. Do one you fookin' bath plug.

>>51942574
>gets BTFO
>y-y-you're j-just shitp-posting!

>>51941762
Not that op but it's good.

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>>51942549
>9x riptides in a wing

>>51942584

He's probably just butthurt because, like me he has to be up at 6am.

>>51942631
:^)

>>51942574
>wants to win
>doesn't want to take the winning lists

"What do you mean lol just take the netlist" is pretty good advice if you wanna win games desu fampai

>>51942584
>implying I care about global control
M8 I don't even give a shit about the immigrants flooding my country so long as I live within walking distance of Warhammer World. Feels good being able to drop by the store and pick up some 30k shit on impulse if I feel like it, and I'll never be short of people to play pickup games with.

>>51942634
I get up at 5 on Tuesdays.

>>51942655
>>implying I care about global control
>M8 I don't even give a shit about the immigrants flooding my country so long as I live within walking distance of Warhammer World.

Not him but I sincerely hope some "Asian" lads beat the fucking shit out of you and smash your haram models you complacent piece of shit.

>>51942674

Oh its you again. Can't you just adopt a trip so the rest of us can block you?

>>51942674
>/pol/friend triggered by bongs this hard
I was wondering when you'd show up lad. Thanks for the hearty kek, just what I need for these early morning starts.

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>>51942655

> I don't care about the immigrants flooding the UK.

>>51939914
Hmm I am not conversant enough with Eldar to find their theme sorry.

>>51940696
Probably that they are one of the most original factions, they don't win everything. They don't have a purpose. They are hated by their Primarch. (Are, not were).
There is a lot of complex emotions in the Night Lords

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How can I make this better?

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>>51942698
Nothing I can do my friend. It's in the hands of the Brexiteers.

Anyway I gotta work. Have a good one /40kg/

>>51942718
So night Lords are "nice guys" who never get the girl and their dad doesn't understand them and they can't figure out what they want in life
Wow so original

>>51942440
>bad business sense

No, what GW does now is bad business sense.

Let's do some Econ 101, shall we?

>every market has supply and demand
>as the price rises, suppliers are more willing to supply the good
>as the price lowers, more consumers are willing to consume the good

Miniatures are probably* pretty elastic--that is, you sell a LOT more when the price is lower (up to a point), and make more total revenue--and they have a variety of substitute goods.

Plastic injection molds are pretty expensive as an overhead cost.

Resin is cheaper and allows more detail.

When they force their proprietary stores to compete with 20% off third-party stores (online or RL, both are common), they are basically wasting their money because there's no reason for anyone to buy stuff there except guilt to keep the store open and support the poor bastard who's running it.

All of this together shows us some issues with GW's pricing strategy.

1/2

>>51942718
>complex emotions
Like pre-teen angst?

>>51942731
>tfw uk is still part of the eu
Feels really hilarious man just fucking leave the eu already holy shit

>>51942747
The fact that they set their prices so high to begin with (as a way of recouping losses from the molds), they end up screwing themselves over because they

1) hurt chances of newbies coming in and getting hooked

2) drive people towards online retailers--and away from physical locations, which means they're less invested in their army since they aren't playing as much/interacting with the community, so they're less likely to buy more models

3) create space for competition from recasters and bitz sites/3rd parties (Kromlech, Spellcrow, etc)

The resin bit above means that

1) Forgeworld pricing is retarded, it doesn't need to be nearly that high (and furthermore they should have the same distribution/production/shipping capabilities as they do for GW main--let LGSes and GW shops sell it)

2) It's easy for people like Grishnak (resin sisters guy, high quality) to come in and fill a niche with resin that GW refuses to do with plastic when they could be making money off of it.

Also, Perry does some plastic and they do fine while throwing buckets of models at you. Even their pewter is cheaper than GW.

It seems like GW has finally started to grasp this with the SC!, AA, and Battleforce boxes. Who knows if the trend will continue.

*I see 3rd parties as evidence of this.

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>>51942718
Back due to popular demand:

Reminder that pic related has a sweet melody which suits them perfectly now

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=IUGzY-ihqWc&feature=share

FAQ:
>Dubstep is gay lol?
Dubstep suits many chaotic factions as it is fairly chaotic
Also this song is hardly Dubstep

>I listened to three seconds and I thought it was shit?
No, you are shit. Try lasting longer than you do in bed next time, before giving a review

>If this music isn't to my personal taste, does that mean it is the wrong song for the Night Lords?
No

>ITS NOT METAL I CAN SHAKE MY NECKBEARD TO????
Metal music doesn't suit chaos, this isn't the 80s. The Night Lords have evolved a lot in the last 8-10 years, so get on board or fuck off. Metal only really suits World Eaters, even then, probably Hardcore.

>My Emps Children love the shit metal though!!!
No, your structured music would bore them to death. Please read current fluff, not your 80s shit

>LOL LOOK MY SHIT SONG ABOUT BATS OR LIGHTNING IS FUNNY
*Pat pat* nice original joke, friend

>Does the above point apply for any of my other "funny" song ideas?
Yes.

>I know more about music than you because that is brostep, not dubstep
Doesn't change the fact that it is the correct song for the Night Lords

>Why did you word that first sentence weirdly?
Because people thought they were clever with their spam filter

>You are getting less (you)s than ever, I thought that is why you do this?
No, it just proves how perfected my FAQ is.

>>51942718

> Original

It's just Heart of Darkness.

>>51942774
Reminder that Night Lords are literally just /r9k/ in 40k

>>51942749
>>51942743
Proves how little of the fluff you have read. Ignorance is fun, right?

>>51942759
He's being a faggot about it, but he's not wrong.

Riptides have
>W5
>2+ save
>5++/3++ if nova'd not that this matters because all splinter weapons have terrible AP
>FNP because everyone buys that upgrade

Dark Eldar are BS4, so a single splinter shot has a 2/3 chance of hitting. It then has a 1/2 chance to wound, a 1/6 chance of going through its armor then a 1/3 chance of being ignored by FNP. That's a 1/54 chance of a single splinter shot dealing a wound, and remember the Riptide has five. You'd need more than 20 Venoms to kill a Riptide in one round of shooting.

>>51942788
You said it not me
>don't win
>don't do anything
>daddy hates us
Real original my dude

>>51942788
Sorry, but your army is a power fantasy for kids going through their edgy phase

>>51942806
Nvm my math was off.
Also venoms have 12 shots. Nobody on earth runs venoms without an extra cannon.

>>51942833
>Also venoms have 12 shots. Nobody on earth runs venoms without an extra cannon.

Does it matter? The Riptide is still ~200 points. And he has more than one.

>>51942817
I made a mistake. Calm down sperglord. Honestly people who get as upset as you are just as annoying as cheese mongers.

>>51940577
WHAT IS THIS FUCKING FACIAL EXPRESSION FROM?

>>51942854

upside down mouth singing

>>51942847
If youre the one who fucked up you should probably not throw insults. Pulling the sperg card really says a lot in addition to that.

Way too sperg out about spergs and cheesemongers though.

>>51942686

It's unlikely I am whichever anon you think I am, anon, since I almost never post /pol/ shit except when directly #TRIGGERED by some other faggot.

>>51942697

Commit sudoku my friend

>>51942120

I'd like to think I'm ok, but a few have ruined it for the rest of us.

>>51942110

Oh right.

>>51942860
I'm rather disappointed

>>51942899
Nightlord players I've met in real life have been pretty alright, I just wish you'd stop with the lightning stuff. It looks shit

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How badly would this lose?

Anyone have a link to any database where I can get all the codex in epub form? I want to load up my tablet and I can only find PDFs.

>>51942934
You don't really have any board presence outside of your three big models.

>buying an AoDG on a daemon
What possessed you to do this you silly man

>>51942934
In a casual setting this should be fine. You get bonus points from me for not taking nurgle bikers

>>51942110
>>51942120

NL are just so out there. Their giant doom fortress during the Scouring was basically a castle of stitched together living wailing bodies sustained by suffering and BDSM fetishes. Curze's throne was a collection of glued together Centipede Mans. And worst off, they're like the weakest pansy ass Astartes who are best known as spooky bullies.

Orks just need to bend the rules a bit and use 15 year old white dwarf rules to spam 60 point monstrous creatures with armourbane

>>51942926

The lightning was actually one of the reasons I settled on NL because I wanted to challenge myself. That and painting white skull faces makes a good contrast to the dark blue armor.

>>51942956

At least they don't pretend to be noble. They're shitty everything and they know it.

>>51942953

You'd think there would be a rule against nurgle bikers by virtue of pus buildup clogging up the wheels.

>>51942962
>implying they won't have wheels made out of bloated plague daemons

>>51942650
>see retarded meme
>"what is wrong with the retarded guy in that meme"

maybe you need to reevaluate your position.

on a serious note I shouldn't have to explain this but that comic is obviously shitting on the idiots who >imply that "just take a netlist to not lose every time" meanwhile you can take a fluffy non-WAAC eldar or any top 6 or so armies and crush the "top" netlists of orks etc

>>51942992

Woosh.

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>>51942949
>>51942953
So you're saying this is better

>>51942999
whatever pal

chekt

>New player joining group soon
>Ask him what army he's choosing
>"Tau"
>Ask why he chose them
>"I want to build a competitive army and everyone is saying how the stormsurge and the riptide are great so ill be using them because they look cool as well"

We've been fortunate to never have had a Tau player but that also means I don't have experience in actually playing them

What is the best way to counter them speaking as a wolves player, how powerful are riptides and stormsurges and how is the best method to bring them down? Planning on packing helfrost cannons on my dreads since theyre the mainstay for my army but I dont know if that'll be enough

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What is the best HQ for guard if:

1. It is at lower points (1000-1250)
2. My two troops are two vet squads
3. I don't like using named characters

>>51943013

Just shun him and save yourself the trouble.

>>51943013

Thunderwolf Cavalry with storm shields, Fenrisian wolf spam as a supplement to your main force. And I mean spam. Wolfkin formation with at least 3x10 wolves and 2x5 after that, if not more.

Ally DA for bikes, ally vanilla for bikes, ally battle company, take psykers.

You won't find an easy way to beat Tau, otherwise they wouldn't be complained about if they were so easy to stop.

>>51943013
>What is the best way to counter them
Ask to see their list before you play. If its WAAC faggy tell them, "Sorry, I don't want to waste my precious time setting up models just to take them off the table turn 2"

>>51943013
heres this article may be of help
http://www.wikihow.com/Survive-a-Rip-Tide

>>51943013
Do you wolf wolf? Wulfen are an excellent distraction unit because they will rape the Tau MCs if they get to combat, and even if the Stormsurge stomps them off the board they will still tear it a new asshole before you pick them up off the board. Likewise TWC and plain wolves are so fast, and the latter is so deadly in melee that they must be focus fired lest they tie up and tear down his shiny suits, which takes a lot of pressure off the rest of your army.

If you don't (I respect that) then Dreadnoughts are actually a kinda good option. Even a stock Dread in a pod causes serious problems for Tau as long as you are smart with your placement and put its strongest facing towards the inevitable interceptor fire if you can't hide out of LoS.

>>51943020
CCS
CCS unless they are full mech
CCS