/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

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First for senpai

First for wall autism.

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Second for the best.

>>51923308
>baroque armour with a few skulls and spikes
>not covered with rotting babies and scalps
weak

>>51923319
Top 3 but not best.

>>51923308
Jesus Christ, that's some bad perspective

>>51923328
my space dad is better than your space dad

fight me irl

>>51922957

To be quite honest, I'm surprised that there's no special rule allowing an army led by Leman Russ to field Leman Russ tanks. Its named after him for fucks sakes.

What's a good gunboat for Ironwing Protocol? Are Malcadors worth the investment? I already have vindicators and executioner pred, looking to fill that third slot.

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So I just bought a Warlord Titan.

Do I get a medal.

Gonna go with Legio Ignatum colors too.

How do you access

https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmega.nz%2F%23F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyC

-requires passkey

>>51923338
Your space dad is dead, I'm already winning.

>>51923354
No you get pity and envy for your financial spendings

>>51923362
My space dad actually did something. Is this a son of ultramar talking?

>I already have vindicators and executioner pred

Are you me?

>>51923379
My space dad kickes your space dad's ass off imperium secumcum's throne

>>51923420
Nigga what?

Also,

>BL

>>51923445
>BL
Like there would be a lot to argue about if it wasn't for them.

After my space dad told your space dad to get to work he flipped rowboat the finger and left him to cry in his moms arms.

>>51923478
Shit, I don't even know who your space dad is.

Was he at Terra? The others are forgettable.

>>51923497
>fighting at Terra

My space dad was to busy trading artillery of mass destruction to traitors and ganking Curze

>>51923578
Oh DAngles. Okay.

Can't wait for you guys to turn out traitor.

>AU where all the primarchs are bad OCs

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>>51923420
>imperium secumcum
>BL
We're talking about the other kind of BL now, aren't we?

>>51923616
What's the difference?

>>51923608
Fucking moron.

>>51923598
Again, too busy smashing in furfag teeth in 40k. When loyalty is it's own reward you stop caring about the little things.

>>51923578
>>51923616
Oh, hey, I was right.

>>51923674
Stop hurting your space dad's lover's space kids. That's domestic violence!

>>51923626
One's gay as fuck and the other is about dudes on dudes.

>>51923497
Terra was full of wall autist and violent retards. Not something to brag aboutm

>>51923753
>violent retards

Yeah, the chaos legions kind of sucked.

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So 40k Cypher has been confirmed as Farith Redloss.
I notice Redloss is only in 1 book. Problem is I don't really want to read Angels of Caliban because I hate the Dark Angels and I hate Gave Thorpe. Could someone summarise it.

>>51923798
>So 40k Cypher has been confirmed as Farith Redloss.
>Trusting bols

What a fag.

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>leave some stuff on the table overnight after working on it
>moms boyfriend thinks it would be a hilarious prank to snap the sword off my tartaros praetor and badly glue it on his crotch

>>51923308
>hot topic pants : the primarch

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>>51923830
get rid of him

>>51923830
>moms boyfriend
cucked lmao
>snap the sword off my tartaros praetor and badly glue it on his crotch
double cucked

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>>51923878
>moms boyfriend
>cucked

What is this the south

>>51923919
no we're in mongolia

>>51923848
You talking shit about senpai's sexy pants?

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>>51923354
I built one on commission. I hope you have a drill press, bandsaw, and about 5 tubes of 2-part epoxy, you will need all of them.

some of the casting gates exceed 1" diameter, and you'll also need to cut many of the blocks off the plates with a saw to avoid cracking the edge detail of the plates.

other useful things to know: building the main body in the order specified will cause you nothing but suffering. dry fit all the parts, glue the back upper split panel into one peice, then get a friend to come help you for the extra hands and build the whole thing at once, using electrical tape to apply even pressure along all the seams.

Legs do not actually need pinning if you build them up correctly and use strong epoxy, and the shoulder weapons do not ned magnets as they have a design which locks them in place when sideways pressure is applied.

dry fit everything 3 times, then do it again just to be sure.

getting a set of 16" or larger squeeze clamps (larger than the ones in pic) will save your sanity when setting the volcano cannon, sunfury, and lasblaster barrels

if you intend to do drilling for magnets, get a brad-point bit as it cuts outside-in, and will not put pressure on the surrounding resin, for diameters larger then 1/4" (say you plan to put a big fuckoff magnet in the torso joint) get yourself some ryobi x-wing forster bits as they do the same thing as the brad points but leave a flat bottom to the cut.

>>51923919
>my moms boyfriend jamal is really cool guise. he breaks my plastic army men and makes me give him money for his and mommy's needle medicine.

>>51923975

So commission any single thing Forgeworld in excess of $150 because its warped resinshit. Got it.

>>51923957
yes, yes i am.

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>>51924019
actually the warping on the warlord I built for the guy was very minimal, I think only 3 parts total. they're using machine-cut molds for most of the newer large kits and it shows in the cast quality.

the arms are incredibly difficult to magnetize as the joint there has very little thickness to work with, but what you can do is use a removable pin for arm swapping.in this case I used brass tube to create a retaining wall and spread the load on the resin, and turned down a stainless steel pin on a lathe to fit.

>>51923975
>>51924077
that sounds horrible 2bh

>>51924133

No that just sounds like you have to treat it like a second job essentially. Which is cool for commissionfag, because hes doing it for a second job.

>>51924133
it's not something you'll get done in a short time. the build I did took ~58 hours not including curing time, and it was build-only, no paint and leaving the plates off. the bag of casting gates probably weighs close to 12 lbs or more. I kept them all for use as terrain later (dragon's teeth or jersey walls)

>>51924075
Wrong thread, faggot.

>>51924197
Yup. Derp.

>>51924176

Well since you're here and you do commission work, what do you recommend for varnish treatment? I'm planning on doing a glossy varnish and maybe follow up with non-glossy varnish or not since I want my astartes armor to be shiny.

>>51924077

Haven't I seen you on Youtube before? I can swear I saw a Warlord Build on Youtube that used the exact same techniques.

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Post the last model you finished /hhg/

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>>51924334

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>>51924240
nope, the only camera I have is my phone or a crappy webcam, and I don't have a youtube.

>>51924237
mostly I do building and conversion commissions, and work with a friend if I'm doing full commissions (he's got skills with an airbrush, I don't)

my unqualified opinion as a mediocre painter is to use Testor's Dulcote, but if you want good advice that is better explained than any of mine check out Tabletop Minions, he has a pretty good video on varnish treatments and how dulcote affects paintjobs.

Current personal project is making a zone mortalis board out of MDF and 3D-printed parts.

>>51924360
What are you working on currently?

>>51923975
Thank you; this actually helps a ton.

Anyone know how Leman Russ Tanks were called before Leman Russ has discovered and did something that made the people to call the tanks after his name?

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>>51923975
Which 2-part epoxy did you use? I'm probably gonna use it on my FW Knights and Warhound

>>51924428
make sure you pose the legs in such a way to take the load, and also be mindful that you'll need to spread them a bit so that the ring pistons will still fit.

if you do plan to put in a big magnet (I used a 1" diameter 1/2" thick N52 magnet) you can actually use a piece of steel bar to hold the hips in place at the right level, glue the legs in the desired bend (the top sections will 'lock' against the gear sections) and then glue the feet and hips at the same time. don't pull it out of the jig until all the support sections are on, but after that point it will be solid enough to support weight without being attached to a base. I'd still put it on a base though because the toes have some fragile front detail.

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>>51924334
working on tartaros

>>51923830
>not converting the Praetor into a WRYYYY pose and start gluing sword blades all over him to give him badass spiked gauntlets, demon horns, a giant rhino face blade, and glue the largest blade of all on his crotch

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>>51924463
JB clearweld and loctite 1-minute set. JB where I needed more structural strength and loctite where I wanted precision, the loctite was using the mixer tip it comes with, JB was hand-mixed.

for superglue I can't recommend loctite ultra-liquid enough, incredibly good contact bonds but a little bit of a set time for adjustments.

>>51924442

They were called farming tractors.

>>51923830

>leaving your stuff around when you're still underaged (?) at your mom's

consider this a life lesson

>>51924466
Ah ok! I was planning on running a pair of steel rods through the hips parallel to each other and through both tops of the legs to keep it steady and disperse the weight from the body.

I was thinking of running a giant rod with housing through the gun joints, and giant N52 Magnets on the shoulder mounted weaponry as well as head.

Is it possible to run a fat magnet at the torso/pelvis spot to separate for travel? Or is a huge dual rod setup better?

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>>51924334
Victorus aut mortis!

>>51924586
>You have to be underaged to live with parents

>>51924680

You don't have to, but if you're not and you did that then honestly what the hell were you expecting to happen.

>>51924641
the shoulder weapons don't really need it, see above. the parts where the shoulder mountings are can be drilled but you'll risk cracking the part when using a magnet large enough to actually keep a hold on the weapons.

the waist you can do that, use a forstner bit on the hip peg using a drill press (I used some white polystyrene to hold the hips in position for the press) then glue the corresponding magnet to the top side of the torso bottom plate, since it will be hidden inside the torso anyway and it isn't as thick as you'd expect.

the rod through the hips isn't needed as long as the angle isn't extreme, the pic a few posts up shows the type of arrangment I used and that has no pins whatsoever. gun joins I also showed a pic of using a stainless steel rod through some brass tube, doesn't even have to be that thick (the guns are surprisingly well balanced, I only had to use 0.25oz of fishing shot in the back of the sunfury to balance it)

So I know it's coming, and I know it just got put in the mail on Friday. Does scanon have an eta on when it'll get to his doorstep and perhaps how long it'll take to get it all scanned and posted? Praise be!

>>51924744
if he's in continental US the shipping usually takes 8-9 days. so at least another week.

>>51923270
Is there a version of the image with custodes and SoS in it?

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>>51924718
Thanks again for all the help, I really appreciate it.

A friend of mine is buying three Chinacast Reavers so it'll be nice to compete with my Warlord hahha

Which is the best legion and why is it ______________?

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>>51924334
Not based up, but close enough too done.

crisp highlights bro!

>>51925430
jesus god those highlights are splotchy
work on that brush control and paint thinning

>>51925449
Yeah I know, it's my worst area. I've thought about using a toothpick or something to dab the paint on, or removing half the hairs off a tiny brush and superglueing it into a fine point.

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>>51925430
Your highlights are a little thick but you still did an awesome job. I'm gonna use your Warder as inspiration for my Ixion Hale model conversion

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>>51924334

>>51925749
Yeah I'm gonna need that recipe for off-White please. That looks fucking great.

first completed list incoming
i'm really bad at making them and doubtful of the synergy of the units though, also don't comment on the lack of anti-air, we're not using theses at my club
"127th expedition chapter", 1850pts
Rite of war : Covenant of fire
HQ
praetor (200pts)
>mantle of the elder drake
>cataphractii terminator armor
>master-crafted thunder hammer
>dragonscale stormshield
>digital weapons

Command squad (415)
>+1 chosen
>cataphractii terminator armor*4
>dragonscale stormshield*4
>power fist*4
>land raider phobos

Elite
Contemptor cortus (150pts)
>kheres assault cannon

Contemptor cortus (150pts)
>kheres assault cannon

Veteran tactical squad (225pts)
>+5 veterans
>flamer*2
>combi-flamer
>rhino
>Marksmen veteran tactica

Troops
tactical squad (185pts)
>rhino
>artificier armor
>inferno pistol

tactical squad (185pts)
>rhino
>artificier armor
>inferno pistol

Heavy support

predator (195pts)
>executioner plasma destroyer
>lascannon sponsors
>machine spirit

vindicator (145pts)
>machine spirit

>>51923798
With 8th ed coming, there is a shitty rumour each day. This is one of them.
Also: As Cypher is a title, any dude could replace him anytime. And actually it could be multiple dudes, like a loyal one with special orders or a rogue one doing the right thing and a fallen one.
Unless Geedubs releases a book where they reveal more information, no flying fucks should be given.

>>51925871
I just picked it up from Kizzdougs' B&C thread with some slight alteration.
>white basecoat
>sepia wash
>sponge with 1/1 bleached bone or screaming skull and white
>add some depth to all the detail with nuln oil
This is the part where I finish the metals and greens and work on the white some more with a mix of screaming skull and white diluted with glazing medium. My aim is to work a bit of local lighting into it.
>weathering with dark browns
>underline chipping with white
>add streaks of nuln oil and whatever you think the model needs
Cheers.

>>51923352
Drop pod leviathan for fear/tank hunter fun or a sicaran venator.

>>51923798
>So 40k Cypher has been confirmed as Farith Redloss.
Nah, one 'totally trust me guys' quote on dakka isn't the same as confirmed.

It's going to take a real ass pull from GW for Cypher to be anyone except Zahariel considering that cyphers powers of super accuracy and being really evasive can be compared to Zahariels powers of slowing time and being able to pass through solid objects.

>>51923830
From the lack of spine I can assume you are a word bearer player.

>>51924481
>using a rhino box lid as a workspace
Hello me

>>51924481
What legion?

>>51925749
HNNNGGGG dat creamy white

>>51923830
Buy some laxatives and feed it to him.

>>51923830
He made it better, trust me.

>>51923830
What the fuck, fucking assbum

>>51923830
Picture? You better prank him back.

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/hhg/, why isn't your librarian this fucking angry?
you have 10 seconds to give me a reasonable explanation.

>>51926508
>taking librarians

>>51926513
>not taking "fun" models that you lovingly convert, even if they're sub-par in terms of rules
why you play this game, I will never know

>>51926513
>not enjoying making lore heavy armies with one of every consul with intricate backstories, personalities and motivations.

>>51926508
looks, angry as fuck, what legion?

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>>51926508
>degenerate witchcraft

>>51926541
Iron Hands, still need to do some stuff to him, mainly busy up the chest a bit as it's too plain
>>51926553
go and huff improperly refined promethium somewhere else, Morty
p.s., maybe have a talk with Typhon about that witchcraft thing

>>51926577
How busy are we talking because Iron Hands weren't ones for ornamentation. Or do you mean pipes and psychic cables and stuff?

As a side note I am really annoyed psychic hoods aren't part of the 30k librarian gear because they look so good.

>>51926604
nothing extravagant, mostly some cabling and maybe an etched brass decal
they need a little love for sure in the gear department

>>51926619
Sounds pretty good, I wish I liked the Iron Hands as a legion because they have a great paint scheme and some really good models.

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>>51925430

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>>51922957
Plunk down my own duo.

>>51923354
No, but you could apply to join the Titan Owners Club.

Yes, that is actually a thing.

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>>51923798
Near the bottom

>>51926915
ooo, do you have one of these for each legion? i am intrested in AL and mechnicum if you do

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It's here.

>>51926935
inb4 hurp durp scans when?

>>51923798
he's in Unremembered Empire

described as having a massive axe

that's it really

>>51926935
rip it up and destroy your investment for scanbux

>>51926256
kek

>>51926508
>taking a libby
>when every IC can be a psyker

>>51926935
Scanon to the duty!

>>51926935

You lucky bastard. Mine still hasn't arrived yet. And when it does, it goes straight under the knife. No time to enjoy.

can someone point me in the general direction of a good quality good price recaster?

>>51927043
I'm not gonna type it in, but I'm pointing east to China.

>>51927056
thanks man

>>51927077
Check the mega in /wip/ <3

>>51927043
reddit has a sub called yoyhammer I think, lots of information there.

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>>51927043
Look up Alpharius or Z on r/yoyhammer

>>51927095
>>51927092
>>51927098
>>51927056


Thank you

I am from Bulgaria and i don't have enough money to buy from UK. If I did I would.

Well, even only a ten minute flick through the fluff in Inferno and I can see some of the arguments we're all going to have already.

>>51927152

I know I'll be seeing and scanning said fluff as soon as it shows up, but could you do me a solid and give me the highlights?

>>51927112
That's more than ok. Good resin recasts are always worth their weight in gold

>>51926529
>psychic phase
>fun
also go fuck yourself I run a consul champion

The webway – a bizarre alien landscape created by the eldar in ages long past; a network of otherworldly tunnels that burrow through time and space. When the wards protecting the webway are accidentally breached by the primarch Magnus, hordes of daemons are able to exploit this weakness to attack the heart of Terra directly. While the Emperor himself tries to hold the wards in place, a desperate battle takes place in the webway itself – a battle that requires very special combatants – among them the Psi-Titan Borealis Thoon.

>http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-titles/new-qu-re/hh-at-ordo-sinister-ebook.html

The fuck is a psi-titan?

>>51927233
>i've not read inferno
Take a bunch of alpha+ psykers, shackle them and use them as a power source in a warlord or imperator titan

>>51927233

A Psi Titan is a Titan in which the pilot is an untouchable because otherwise they would die from the sheer amount of screaming in the warp from all the tortured shackled Alpha psykers that are used to power the thing.

I hope the story captures how fucked up Psi Titans are.

>>51927233
titan with psykers instead of batteries.

>>51927160
My favourite so far is Russ deciding to go along with the Kill order despite the Emperor's wishes just because he really, really hated Magnus.

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>>51927274

>>51927274
Fucking Russ, I knew it.

>>51927274

So Horus had nothing to do with it?

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>perpetuals

>>51927299
looks like conflicting orders were received, capture from emps and a kill from horus. Russ decided on the kill order because he's a dick.

>>51927306

What are you quoting?

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If this isn't legible I'll green text it, but it basically says no one knows why Russ picked the kill order over capture, but there was much speculation that the SW being attached to the censure host was an implied expectation they would go choppy anyway. The only thing for certain is that Russ hated Magnus.

>>51927353
And it flipped itself, perfect. Sorry anons, phoneposting blows.

>>51923357
What's that Mega for?

>>51927353

It's clear as day, thank you anon. My fucking copy can't come soon enough.

Where are you, if I may ask? I need to estimate how long until I get mine.

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>>51927353
Gotchu senpai

>>51923616
That "Down the slippery slope that is BL" image has ruined me.

>>51927353
So basically no one knows why Russ chose kill over capture.

>>51927389
nice job

>>51927385
North Britainlandshire, hoots mon.

Random facts from the page I'm on:
The Librarius structure is based on a pre-existing organisation in the Blood Angels legion.
As well as Magnus, Sanguinius and the Khan, proponents of the Librarius were Fulgrim, Alpharius and Curze.
Mortarion and Russ hated psykers and constantly bitched about them. Corax joined in their side of the debate.

Any suggestions on third party combi-weapons?

>>51927485
wtf I love AL, NL and EC now

Right, I don't have Inferno to scan yet and I feel bad about it. So I did this. Enjoy and let it hold you over for the week or so until I can murder my copy of Inferno for you all.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/n6sa64g6aye0bbm/ordo_sinister_john_french.epub

So The Outcast Dead and the Severian audio now officially make no fucking sense in the timeline whatsoever, because Inferno tells you exactly when the message was recieved, how long it took for everyone to react to it, and that Atharva was brought before Valdor and Malcador for questioning about Prospero's defences.
So, as far as I can tell, the timeline of Outcast Dead and Lone Wolf now just cannot fit in at all.

>>51927233
>Borealis
Fucking Blood Ravens

>castellax and domitar have pretty much the same statline
>castellax is 105 points base
>domitar is 175 points base
Why?

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>>51927233
It means what it means. Those things have been a thing for some time now, but Inferno had to make them grimdark.

>>51927485
wtf I hate corax now

>>51927733

And yet Corax was among the first to throw Nikaea to the sidewalk and re-activate his Librarians in defiance of the Emperor.

>>51927747
Well when you've got jackshit left, use what you got?

>>51927733
Rogal Dorn also joined their side, apparently thinking psykers were ass was the only thing that got him and Perty to agree.

So I'm still in the preamble, but so far Russ and the Wolves are complete tools even in FW fluff.

>>51927796
>Russ and the Wolves are complete tools
They are nothing more. They're just a hammer the Emperor uses. Angron is a jackhammer

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>>51927274

>>51927621
FW fluff =/= BL fluff

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>>51927598
Dude, thanks a bunch!

>>51927796
Did Dorn actually dislike psykers or was it just 'daddy says no' like before?

>>51927796
It's pretty much impossible to fluff a librarian in an IF army, isn't it? Unless one wants to say he (and whoever else is in on the secret) is playing fast and loose with the rules, or they just innately use subtle powers like divination without realising they're doing it. Maybe they developed the powers after Nikea but don't know how to shut them off.
And then there's the good old catch-all excuse of "it was so far out into the edge of the galaxy that they never knew what was going on".

>>51928037
I've not read the fluff but if it was before the decision was made by the Emperor, Dorn was against it for his own reasons (which were probably "dad says mutant powers from the netherworld are bad, let's not use them".

Although it might be smart for legions who are more skilled in material warfare to stunt the training of those legions whose gene-seed/recruiting practices make for more and more powerful psykers. But Dorn isn't really that kind of guy.

To recap things wot Inferno fluff tells us that I have read so far:
>The Librarius was mostly the work of the Blood Angels, not the Thousand Sons; the TS bandwagoned it because it meant they could hide in plain sight.
>The flesh-change began at the conquest of Bezant, which was a TS vs enemy psyker army mirror fight. One TS went spawn and got put down, the pre-Magnus TS commanders all agreed not to tell anyone of it in case they got disbanded.
>The only thing Dorn and Pertuarbo could bring themselves to agree with each other on was that psykers were shit.
>85% of The Outcast Dead and Lone Wolf just got retconned
>Horus' message to Russ was carried by a SoH commander, who brought with him his company and some Legion Mortis engines.
>Valdor was not happy with Russ for wanting to kill not capture, and argued with him about it the entire time they were supplying. Valdor didn't get anywhere because Russ outranked him.
>Valdor had brought remembrancers with him, Russ sent them away
>Magnus really did keep everyone in the dark, the people of Prospero were completely taken by surprise
>Russ finally agreed to issue a demand for surrender before he pushed the button marked launch de missiles, he waited for an hour but got no response. Valdor again tried to get him to change his mind about killing Magnus, Russ didn't go for it.

I can only imagine there's stuff later about how the TS were having mind orgies with daemons on something, because this fluff is making the SW look like total fannies.

>>51928080
Lots of interesting stuff in there, I don't think anyone will be crying too hard at the Outcast Dead retcons. Also it's surprising that Russ outranks Valdor.

I'm looking forward to getting my copy, scananon be praised.

>>51928080
Valdor's a bro

>>51928080
>Valdor didn't get anywhere because Russ outranked him.
Now I'm triggered. There is one person in the entire galaxy that outranks Valdor, and that's the Emperor.

And, really, Valdor knows the stakes involved so really shouldn't accept Magnus's death at any cost. With the webway damaged the ONLY chance for repairing the Emperor's grand project was to bring Magnus back alive. Why is Valdor like "well, this Russ bloke's being uppity, I'll just give up on the one chance to save humanity forever"?

>>51928160
Russ outranking Valdor in this operation appears to be a RAW in this RoW ifyouknowwhadimean.

The writ of Censure (reproduced in the book) names Russ as the one charged with carrying out the Emperor's orders in the matter of the Magnus, and gives him a total free hand.
(It does however, say Magnus is to be returned to stand before the Throne and answer for his actions.)
The body of the text says that it was considered at large that only a Primarch could stand in authority over another Primarch, but Malcador put Valdor in charge of the Terran contingent because he thought Val had enough perceived respect and authority to maybe challenge that notion.
Russ was having none of it.

>>51928228
What about the Custodes who policed Lorgar? They were lower-ranked than Valdor even.

>>51928281
I don't know dog, I'm just reading what it says here. Maybe they got another piece of paper that said they could stand in judgement of Lorgar?

The point of Valdor/Russ rank normally is moot here because the Emperor's order specifically says Russ is in charge, and Valdor seems to just end up going because Malcador makes him.

>>51928281
lorgar's a dummy who can be bullied by anyone

>>51928281
They were specifically tasked by the Emperor. Might be they had some kind of special authority or acting rank.

>>51928326
In fairness, at one point (that planet with the glass robots) he did tell the custodes to fuck off or he'd set his entire legion on them.
>the little primarch that could

>>51928080
>>51928160
>>51928228
Space Wolves are fucking assholes that only turned into "protectors of humanity" after Russ left. LMAO.

I know it's cool to hate on the wolf-boys, but it sure as fuck is fun to see them depicted as a what they are; fucking executioners and nothing else.

>>51928343
Passive-aggressive psycho Lorgar is best Lorgar.

>>51928374
there are no best lorgars

all lorgars are worst

>>51928348
Yeah, it's clearly on purpose now, I just read a bit where Russ uses civilian panic to mask his personal assault on a fortress gate that gets all the civvies killed, and then the text reproduces that same event in the SW saga version which makes him sound like a badass hero.

FW quite blatantly know what they're doing here.

>>51928382
You mean in Inferno there are two accounts of the same event, one from the SWs perspective and one from anothers?

>>51928382
This pleases me

>>51928382
Russ is an asshole after all? Good.

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Highlighting mk II is a fucking nightmare, those fucking legs man

>>51928444
I don't highlight mkII :^)

>>51928398
In just this one instance so far, yes. The narrator says civilians were blocking access to the gate of the main Spireguard fortress wanting to be let in and the soldiers didn't know what to do and were panicking.
Then he says Russ arrived and attacked the gate personally.
Then he reproduces the SW saga version that describes Russ opening the gates, surveying the carnage and judging it good.
Then it cuts back to the narrator describing the Spireguard freaking out and opening fire and the surviving civilians being cut down.

So, it goes to careful lengths to not specifically say that Russ just rushed a gate under cover of the soldiers not wanting to fire on their own people, crushed or battered to death a load of civvies and ripped the gate open - but that's clearly what he did.
Because the Imperial narrator doesn't want to say that, he uses the SW version, which makes it sound like some mythic event.

>>51928475
>Then he reproduces the SW saga version that describes Russ opening the gates, surveying the carnage and judging it good.
Was it well done?

>>51928456
I don't highlight mine, but I shade the recesses and clean up the excess and those legs are kind of a pain

>>51928381
Triggered ultramarine?

So, BL fluff vs. FW fluff. Which is THE canon?

Right, so, let's say I want to get into HH as I got two boxes of BaC and one box of BoP for 15€ each as a local toystore was closing down.
Where do I go from here, especially in regards to picking a legion?
Lore-wise I like Thousand Sons and Ultramarines best. Sisters of Silence and Custodes would speak for Ultramarines, Ahriman for Thousand Sons.

>>51928597
FW obviously

>>51928597
Which ever you want.

>>51928619
Custodes and sisters of silence never fought with the ultras in the heresy so I'd go just with the legion I like the most.

>>51928619
You could probably just sell the custodes and sisters or swap them for more marines.

>>51928641
That's a shit reason for not playing custodes or sisters. just because there are no recorded instances of it doesn't mean it didn't happen. You sound like that guy who didn't want to play against White Scars because there wasn't a BL story about it.

>>51928641
>>51928619
However, now that I think about it you could use custodes shields for ultramarine breachers. That would be cool

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>>51928381

>>51928619
>as I got two boxes of BaC and one box of BoP for 15€ each as a local toystore was closing down.
Lucky bastard.
Though I always hate to see brick-and-mortar shops close down, toy shops and other "fun"/labour-of-love shops especially.

The thing about "pick a legion" is to go for what you like. Both are fine from the sets.

>>51928641
I'm pretty sure there would have been some occasion or another where SoS teamed up with every legion. They weren't super special super saiyans from Terra like the Custodes, they would have been all over the galaxy in the black ships.

Custodes *may* have fought with the Ultramarines, maybe not what we know so far, or in the big/early campaigns covered by the books, but if anon wanted to "his dudes" his army, he could make use of them if he wanted.

But Custodes will sell well if he wants something like rapiers for his Ultramarines.

Moar Inferno bits I thought were interesting.

>Spireguard suck, though have an elite unit called Spireguard Templars who have power axes
>SW are *not* murdering indiscriminately (as long as you don't consider the original intent being to glass the planet I suppose), they let unarmed civvies run off
>A random Imperial Army regt. puts up the best resistance to the SW before the TS arrive
>The Order of the blind wear crimson and lapis blue. That shade of blue is the future TS blue.
>Tizca has some kind of mini-Webway or something similar
>Russ' original plan is terrible and fails immediately when the TS actually fight back. Valdor defies Russ' orders and comes up with his own plan, which turns the tide back against the TS.
>Custodes have their own fighter plane called an Equinox.
>Valdor still continues asking people to surrender even in the midst of the battle.
>The TS sacrifice thralls and mind-rape prisoners to gain an intelligence advantage, they also 'mind-slave' some militia to fight on
>Russ eventually authorises the use of Destroyer weapons and orders no stone, woman, or child is to be spared
>The Sons of Horus contingent spends the battle wandering the streets kidnapping powerful civilian psykers, murdering ones who aren't of use.
>Legio Mortis get their shit pushed in by the Zhao-Akkad
>The Jarl of Eleven is the only Terran commander left in the SW, Eleven has a lot of Terrans in it.
>One of the TS force sword cult guys actually manages to wound Valdor

There's transcription errors in the fluff as well as the rules, sadly. There's a passage where the Ammitara are described, and seems to actually mean for them to be the Khenati.

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>>51924334
Was on holidays and I managed to forget my keys at the hotel, so I have to wait for them to come back by post before I can get into my flat again and paint.

This one still needs weathering and his base. I think I'll cut his metal tab and get a 32mm base.

Lovely praetor. I love your DG.

>>51928808
are the eleventh great company rad dudes at least? Being terran are they less yiff?

Please, show me your Alpha Legionnaires. I just... need some inspiration. Is not like am an Imperial Agent or anything...

>>51928490
>judging it good.
>Was it well done?
Same thing crossed my mind.

>>51928840
Just look at Kizzdougs alpha legion on B&C. They're perfect

>>51928808
>There's transcription errors in the fluff as well as the rules, sadly.
Man, Inferno. What was FW smoking when they made this fucking thing?

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>>51928704
>Inferior primarchlets

>>51928808
>>One of the TS force sword cult guys actually manages to wound Valdor

The bravest fucker in the entire Legiones Astartes!

>>51928856
Lorgar has been talking to the gods and taking their blessing for 10.000 years. What has Guilliman done? He has been sleeping while his "brothers" died. Lazy scum

>>51928808
>Russ' original plan is terrible and fails immediately when the TS actually fight back. Valdor defies Russ' orders and comes up with his own plan, which turns the tide back against the TS.
>Russ eventually authorises the use of Destroyer weapons and orders no stone, woman, or child is to be spared
Russ is the worst primarch

>>51928910
He made pact with eldar waifus and ordered Cawl making mcguffin that can possibly resurrect Emps, or save Imperium in other way.

>>51928847
Will do, thanks!

>>51928924
Russ is an Angron-tier mad dog, except without the excuse of having nails in the head, so what did you expect?

>>51928932
Making pacts with the soulbroken...disgusting

>>51928950
I wonder what 'pretending to be a retarded barbarian' excuses SW players will try to spin now.

>>51928965
Does this mean they were pretending to pretend to be retarded barbarians?
That's some AL level memery right there

>>51928982
>Jokes on you Magnus, we were only pretending to secretly be clever all along. Now prepare your anus because Russ just authorised the use of destroyer weapons.

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>>51929002
>Not if we invoke the powers of totally-not-Daemons
and then the Pyrae guy possessing the titan gets possessed by his Tutelarie
that's still canon right? As much as I love TS, that part made me kek a little

>>51928965
>>51928950
>>51928924
>enemy is mindcontrolling civilians to attack you
>stop sparing civilians who are in a perfect position to backstab you
>Russ is still wrong
You guys have been dogged in shitting on the SW long before any real lore for them came out. Can you stuff the 40k butthurt in a box, please?

>>51929027
Essentially. The bits from A Thousand Sons featuring Phosis T'Kar, Auramagma, Phael Toron, Khalophis and the Canis Vertex all pretty much happen as they did in that book.

It takes the angle of 'they got flesh-changed' rather than possessed by their Tutelary, but remember this is written by an Imperial narrator. He presumably doesn't know about the TS pet daemons.

>>51929033
We are just laughing at the hilarious attempts that keep on happening to salvage what made SW cool.

They should never have strayed from viking werewolfs in space. But the reputation of SW is now such a meme that I doubt they'll ever recover from it.

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>>51928910
>implying anyone can match guilliman
>implying booby G isn't the best primarch

>>51927485
I thought Fulgrim didn't allow psykers in his legion? Also wtf Corax you ARE a psyker

>>51929122
Fulgrim did not, but he understood that organizing the psykers in the more psychicly-inclined Legions was for the best

>>51929122
>Also wtf Corax you ARE a psyker
self-deny like Sevatar

>>51929139
what happened to those that developed powers in EC? Did he send them to other legions?

>>51928808
Valdor is literally the only redeemable custodes character and that's pushing it

Really hate as the BL goes onward how they're really making it difficult to even like the emperor/his ideals. Doesn't help that their writers seem to hate him too

>>51929147
Likely made to supress their abilities, or potentially trained under other Legions and begrudingly allowed to use their powers

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>>51929107
I'm looking forward to capping more quotes like these in the coming months.

>>51929152
Yeah, seems strange that Valdor is portayed as such a good guy. BL did their best to make him appear to be a total A-hole who only cared about keeping the Emperor safe, even to the detriment of humanity, the imperium and so on

>>51929249
Sort of see it as Valdor and Malcador being the Emperor's morals/ney-sayers, but then again Horus did that way better with the mournival

>>51929249
I think the Custodes view is that they can never fuck things up so badly that the Emperor can take care of it. So as long as the Emperor survives the Imperium can too.

>>51929283
The Mournival could have been better written, the few interactions we saw boiled down to,

Abaddon: we should kill them all
Little Horus: we should kill most of them
Loken: guys be sensible
Tarik: bant city + what Loken said

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How many HQ models do you guys have or how many are you going to make or use? Do you write fluff for your angry bald men? Personally I will add at least a chaplain and maybe a forge lord or a champion to my army besides these blokes.

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>>51929315
quite true

>>51929107
You're such a tryhard, Ward...

>>51929107
Guilliman really does seem to be the best at logistics/organization but he kind of jobs every time he gets in a fight

>>51925430
THICC

>>51929315
Better written, probably, but I personally think they were some good enough
But compared to any other equivalent advisory/body guard group in the series so far they have made a lot more sense and provided more than just transcendent views

>>51929107
It's almost as if the context of the quote matters or something...

is there any reason to take a CCW over a chainsword for tactical squads?

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In case anyone thinks I've been exaggerating how the tone of inferno make sure the wolves seem like jackoffs, I just reached this passage.

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>>51924334
Effin phone camera

>>51929534
Chainswords and CCWs are identical rules wise.

>>51929315
That's usually how those kind of meetings go though.

>>51929544
Learn to rotate.

>>51929249
That's sounds more like Diocletian Coros in MoM, I don't remember much passages with Valdor though. Could you tell me what books you are referring to dear anon ?

>>51929559
Learn to fuck right off.

>>51929544
Jesus fucking Christ.

>>51929552
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

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>>51929574
Not an argument.

>>51929611
Wasn't intended to be one, it was me telling you fuck up m8.

>>51927621
Wait wait wait. You realize that the entirety of The Outcast Dead happens nearly two years after Prospero is destroyed, right? I don't have Inferno, but the reaction from Magnus's message by the Emperor and the order to have Russ bring him in is LONG before the reaction of his message by the rest of Terra.

>>51929375
Currently don't have any since my army is a long-term project and I kind of buy and build what strikes me as cool at the moment so I've mostly been painting 40k Mechanicus recently.

Eventually I'll have six or seven. An Archmagos Archimandrite, Anacharis Scoria, a Magos Reductor, two Magos Dominus and a Secutarii Axiarch, plus maybe an extra model for Inar Satarael if I decide he needs a separate one from the Archimadrite, with the three big guys with a Biologis theme. Probably going to use the 40k Dominus for the lesser Domini because I have a couple spare from Start Collecting boxes, and just equip them differently and do a little conversion.
I write some fluff for them, but not very much, usually just a brief description and add in anything cool they do in a game.

>>51928808
>Legio Mortis get their shit pushed in by the Zhao-Akkad

Hell yes, love to see the robot boys doing work. Especially if they look fabulous while doing it.
Not sure whether these guys are Loyalist or Traitor really, but I like their scheme enough to back them despite normally being an Independent Mech player (Fuck everyone, we want boops and knowledge, so basically Reductor mercs/raiders with a higher class of payment.)

>>51929423
It's funny, he basically tied with Angron and Lorgar (until Lorgar stabbed Angron in the dick) yet he lost to Kor "S/T 3" Phaeron.

>>51929562
Nemesis, and I thought in some short stories but I'll have to go back through them and doublecheck

>>51929746
>Guilliman can hold even with a guy conducting a cosmic event and carefully trying to arrange the focal point to be a dying man and said dying man
Guilliman a shit.

>>51929813
Yeah he even needed some filthy xenos eldar witchery to be cured.

>>51929655
Yeah, I might be very wrong, I need more people to read it.
But my thoughts were as follows. In Inferno:
>Magnus' warning. Hundreds of thousands killed.
>Censure Host planned.
>Mal and Val summon Atharva from the Crusader Host and get info on Prospero's defences out of him, then absolve him of any connection to his Legions' crimes past or future and return him to the Crusader Host.

Now they could rescind the order exempting him easily when the Heresy breaks out I guess. My concern is that he acts in Outcast Dead like he has no clue about Prospero and Magnus' warning, in fact none of the Crusader Host are aware that Legio XV got burned, the Astropaths don't know, etc.
Apparently the Censure Host wasn't a secret considering Valdor took a load of remembrancers with him.
I took it to mean the general events happened, but the detail (dialogue, some motivations) no longer made sense.

>>51927542
No one? At all?

>>51929852
Anvil?

>>51929852
If no one answers a questions you post it's likely because you'd be better off googling.

>>51929781
Thank you anon.

>>51929629
A dismal rebuttal then.

>>51929849
That book doesn't make sense in itself, the characters talk about Valdor leaving to go to Prospero like it's happening concurrently with the story. The timeline fix in Wolf Hunt was itself a retcon to sort out Outcast Dead's chronology problems.
I don't know why they want to add more to that. I guess some people just keep trying to fix things best left alone?
>>51929901
Fuck off m8 you boring bastard.

>>51929944
Calm down you dullard..
You should try rotating, it's a good trick.

>>51929852
Anvil Industries Exo-Lord combi-weapons are pretty cool, but look quite different from the GW standard stuff.

>>51930043
You should try fucking off, I think you'd like it.

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>>51930105
Fight fight fight !

>>51930105
You should try saying something intelligent, else you're not getting another (You).

>>51930105
>>51930147
Oh, just kiss already.

Well since it seems like Russ could outrank the Emperor's favorite not-an-actual-project Valdor, the one above all others in the imperium minus the Emperor himself, how do you think the Custodes felt when the Emperor's son Hor... I mean project 16 was promoted to the rank of warmaster, the one equal to the Emperor except when he is actually there.

>>51930265
I'm not sure why people think Valdor outranks Primarchs now, are people drinking too much MoM koolaid?

>>51923798
It was a pretty boss book IMO. Johnson gives his legion free reign to curbstomp traitors and they whip out the WMDs. Lion then tells Bobby and Sang to get the fuck to terra

>>51930147
What for, I'm not discussing anything with you, I'm just telling you to fuck off whenever you reply to me. That's all the interest I have in your posts, they're boring.
>>51930162
Only if he doesn't wear his knotwork mask and brushes his fangs.
>>51930265
Well, Ra and another Custode in MoM didn't like them at all. Of course by that point the Custodes had reason to dislike the Primarchs.

>>51930265
More like how do you think Horus felt when he got the consolation prize of Warmaster but needed to listen to the council of Terra amiright?

>>51925875
That's a third of your points spent on a single unit. You'd get more out of your list if you cut some of the gear off the preator and command squad in exchange for another unit or two.

>>51930311
I and other will probably agree that part of it stems from the misecordia (forgeworld's undescribed item thing) as to why the custodes are supposed to be high up, but yeah, technically it gives them authority and not rank, but it seems as if the emperor's word carries rank with it though

>>51930394
>Something tells me they weren't the ones who stopped him from nearly leveling Terra
But then again, who actually liked the council of Terra? I struggle seeing them as anything other than TTS' version of them


>Why is that whenever you get the "select all the street signs" with Captcha that you never actually want to select them all?

>>51928382
Hell yeah. They're not doing what I expected with them and I'm really liking them doubling down on the hypocrisy and mythologization.

>>51930265
>>51930311
Oh FFS Russ was specifically put in charge of operation! It has nothing to do with who "out-ranks" who outside of the Censure Host.

>>51930431
how am I supposed to keep some choppa power then ? without the command squad and the land raider all I have are filmsy tanks, fragile walkers and 3+ armored squads.

>>51929849
Where were these hundreds of thousands? Because unless they were in the webway, they didn't get killed until Prospero had already burned.

>Valdor disagrees with Russ about Magnus, especially since later is crucial to survival of mankind
>But he refuses to disobey him
>Russ starts getting his ass kicked by surprised TSons w/o Magnus
>Valdor disobeys Russ and goes on to help him murder Magnus

What the actual fuck?

>>51930614
But what's the point of Valdor being there at all, if not to keep Russ within the parameters of the mission set by the Emprah?

>>51930674
There's going against an order and there's going against an order when your CO is about to die.

>>51930736
The original reason was to act as defense for the Sisters of Silence, who were needed to ensure the safe return of Magnus, even assuming Magnus complied.

>>51930634
In the Imperial Palace.
>>51930674
Well, the first three are on the money, but Valdor does put out demands to surrender when he effectively takes over strategic command.
He only switches to 'kill em all' towards the end, when the TS have apparently conjured a warp storm around him and there's chaos spawn glomping around.

>>51930750
Decent idea.

Is there anything in there about how effective the Null/Blank powers of the SoS were against the Thousand Sons and Magnus in particular?
Would Magnus be totally neutered by the sisters? Was there really a contingency to drag him back to Terra in an iron cage and somehow force him to work on the Webway? Sounds pretty risky putting a potentially? chaos-corrupted psyker in charge of the golden throne.

>>51930781
why did magnus refused to surrender ? before inferno said so he never got an actual chance to do so, and now Valdor keep sending demands ?

>>51930820
>Sounds pretty risky putting a potentially chaos-corrupted psyker in charge of the golden throne.
I'm guessing Emps planned to give Magnus a full examination, and execute him if he was corrupted.

>>51930836
He didn't refuse so much as he didn't know that an offer was being made. The interference between the Censure Host and Prospero kept them from communicating directly, despite neither side seemingly realizing that nothing was getting through.

>>51930836
There was only an hour between the offers for surrender and Cultural Enrichment, Tzeentch could have distracted Magnus for that long.

>>51930736
It's the whole officer vs military police thing, yeah you can give orders but if your orders cross a line we're allowed to stop, detain, and potentially strip you if rank until we can prove you were justified


>You may out rank me, but don't you forget my authority

Valdor can't even use his above all minus emperor authority
>Beta confirmed

>>51930738
But no seriously, Valdor should have acted immediately and pulled authority on Russ, it never should have gotten to the "My CO is gonna die, better act now even though I did shit before". You let your CO put very personal feelings before orders.

>>51930820
The Sisters completely null the TS powers when they are at 'normal' level. Later in the battle, when the TS have been chaotically super-charged, some of their more obscenely powerful attacks are not nulled.
One of the versions of the Russ / Magnus battle mentions that Sisters being nearby may have had an effect on Magnus.
>>51930836
Additionally to what the other anons said, Magnus wanted to be punished and his works cast down.

The humans who hear Valdor's later surrender demands don't believe him because they've spent all morning being brutalised by surprise Space Wolf knotwork.

>>51928910
low energy

>>51930820
In addition to the Sisters, there were ~38,000 human forces, 73,000 Space Wolves, 900+ Custodes, and 5 Warlord-class Psi-Titans to act as an escort for Magnus's return.

>>51930939
None of those except the Titans, Russ, and the top-tier Custodes could have stopped a Magnus who didn't want to go and was prepared to fight, though.

I'm pretty hyped for Custodes.. you think you can play a pure Custodes list or will there be very little variation? Do you need to combine with other forces?

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DORNAHLD

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Nearly finished my Contemptor.

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>>51929147
>>51929183
As far as I'm aware the EC didn't maintain a librarius because of the hidden abnormality some believed to be present in the gene-seed.
I can't cite the source but I'm fairly sure it's in one of the official "canon" iterations.
How exactly is the psyker gene related to the EC flaw is beyond me though.

>>51931113
>would you like a hug? you look like you could use a hug

>>51931113
>7.28 MB
jesus fuck

Alright, to get back to green-texting this thing

>The later stage of the battle is basically the events of ATS
>A warp storm appears on the surface, it bends space, time and probabilty.
>For example, some witness reports mention officers in action who died earlier that day.
>The narrator uses a statement made by a senior Sister as his basis of the Russ/Magnus fight, as everyone non-blank saw fantastical things
>Everyone on the TS side inside the warp storm teleports out, including the Spireguard and civilians, not just the TS
>The Imperium can't understand how that many people can teleport out-system at once and theorise that, if you sacrificed everyone else, the life energy would be enough to power the teleport of one man (ie Ahriman).
>So there's this theory that Ahriman is the only actual living Thousand Son and literally everyone else are like, warp ghost creations of Tzeentch that he uses as part of his plan for Ahriman. Or something.
>The numbers of confirmed TS survivors don't match the (greater) number of TS seen in the Heresy
>Not all the TS get teleported off. There were two holdout bastions:
>one went underground (but almost certainly all died, as the SW went after them),
>the other stole 3 non-warp spaceships and ran the Imperial blockade. One ship got shot down, the other 2 (filled with TS, Spireguard and civilians) vanished from Imperial record.
>The Sons of Horus contingent murdered the now-surrendering human forces.
>Then the Censure Host glassed the planet again.

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>>51931159
It has nothing to do with the gene-seed being flaws and everything to do with the EC believing that those who are psykers are fundamentally flawed.

>>51931197
Ah yes, thanks for reminding me.

>>51931159
Wait, what flaw did the EC have?

>>51931184
>The Sons of Horus contingent murdered the now-surrendering human forces.
I'm beginning to question Valdor's sanity...

>>51931184
>Imperial politics was put in upheaval by the Burning of Prospero, as exactly what the XV did to get erased wasn't clear
>Some used it to say Horus was being undermined
>Several of the Legions made close political and military alliances with each other in fear of what happened to the XVth happening to them and agreed to back each other up
>It turns out the Space Wolves have a thing called the fucking OMEGA CODEX which is How To Kill Space Marines by Leman Russ
>He gave a copy to Horus
>Everyone else found out
>Every other Legion petitioned to the Emperor that it be destroyed
>Except Curze, Alpharius and Ferrus, who wanted copies for themselves

That's it for the story fluff. I flicked ahead and saw the Wolves have a lot of exemplary battles and there's a cool hybrid Luna Wolves / Sons of Horus colour scheme.

>>51927485
>As well as Magnus, Sanguinius and the Khan, proponents of the Librarius were Fulgrim, Alpharius and Curze.
>No Guilliman
Huh? Aren't librarians blue because Guilliman drew up the compromise of the librarius?

>>51931234
Literally cancer.

>>51931252
Thats codex astartes, not pre-nikea

>>51931113
>"lol, I dunno"

>>51931246
>Except Curze, Alpharius and Ferrus, who wanted copies for themselves

wtf I hate NL, AL and IH now

>It turns out the Space Wolves have a thing called the fucking OMEGA CODEX which is How To Kill Space Marines by Leman Russ

wtf???

>>51931184
>So there's this theory that Ahriman is the only actual living Thousand Son and literally everyone else are like, warp ghost creations of Tzeentch that he uses as part of his plan for Ahriman. Or something.
Isn't that the story from Regimental Standard?
I swear I've heard that theory before.

>>51928160
>With the webway damaged the ONLY chance for repairing the Emperor's grand project was to bring Magnus back alive.
The Golden throne isn't for Magnus though.

>>51931246
>>51931184
Im pretty sure this is memery, since fw are usually not quite this awful, at least with fluff

>>51928555
Well, Guilliman beat up Lorgar, and then immediately afterwards beat up Angron so hard he had to turn into a Daemon.

>>51931246
Possible you could post pictures of those alternate/hybrid color schemes fellow anon?

>>51931281
I don't know, sounds pretty practical to have. Not a fan of the name, but the concept and the fallout of its release sounds appropriate.

>>51931296
It was posted with some of the very first Inferno info after its pre-release.

>>51931411
That would explain it.

>>51931246
>hybrid Luna Wolves / Sons of Horus colour scheme.
>>51931392
Seconding this.

>>51931184
>The Imperium can't understand how that many people can teleport out-system at once and theorise that, if you sacrificed everyone else, the life energy would be enough to power the teleport of one man (ie Ahriman).
I'mma fall back on the theory that Tzeentch doesn't follow mortal rules, and just roll with that.

>>51931488
Yep. Theories can be anything. One of the suggested theories for the LotD is that they're the manifestation of humanity's gestalt faith in the God-Emperor taken physical form. Doesn't mean it's true but it's cool to have these kinds of alternate views.

>>51931299
Shut up, Malcador, you already have one nice chair. Stop trying to get another.

>>51931488
The report's likely written by an early inquisitor, as someone has actually made real experiments on psychic teleportation, and didn't include any gods in the equation.

>>51931514
Nah, Malcador got burned to crispy bacon. The Golden Throne is literally a pain engine that works by murdering whoever sits on it, guess who can't be murdered, and has a prophecy about him calinng him "watcher of the gate" and saying Terra will win if he at the siege of Terra to fullfill that role?

>>51931237
>Sanity
You mean, after an apocalyptic battle where some space sorcerers unleashed rapetastic amounts of fucking Warp shit ? When a load of those civilians were probably latent psykers too ?

It's 30k anon, what did you expect ?

>>51931567
Dante?

>>51923347
It might not have been named after him until later. Some the novels, like the Tallarn stories, only refer to the LR variants as "Vanquisher," "Executioner," etc. Not sure how definitive that is.
>>51924442
No official word in the fluff. They were probably a very common STC so every world with reasonable industrial capacities could build them, and they might all have different names for them.

>>51931672
coming from the guy who spend the battle trying to resolve things peacefully i'd expect a little more, but at this point he's just plain useless in everything he does, a shame for what is supposed to be Emp's BFF

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>>51931197
Yes, psykers are a genetic defect or something, hence not perfect in their eyes.

>>51928597
Whichever's more recent, so FW.

>>51931567
Guilliaume?

>>51931567
Omegon?

>>51931876
Wonder what Goldie has to say about that...

>>51928808
>>Legio Mortis get their shit pushed in by the Zhao-Akkad
>Zhao-Akkad
What, who are these?

>>51931803
By that point Valdor had already stopped offering surrender terms. I don't think it had any currency. Maybe if these guys had tried to surrender to Army. They unfortunately got the SoH.

>>51931803
Assuming Valdor is a good guy. Surrender is the easiest way to bring Magnus back without taking useless casualties. Once the actual battle is finished and Mr Cyclop proved to be a traitor, there is no reason to spare these corrupted scum.

>>51931837
>white hair
>not a genetic defect
Not brunets please go.

>>51931837
>gorget
>sword touches ground
Amateur.

>>51931184
>Everyone on the TS side inside the warp storm teleports out, including the Spireguard and civilians, not just the TS
>The Imperium can't understand how that many people can teleport out-system at once and theorise that, if you sacrificed everyone else, the life energy would be enough to power the teleport of one man (ie Ahriman).
>So there's this theory that Ahriman is the only actual living Thousand Son and literally everyone else are like, warp ghost creations of Tzeentch that he uses as part of his plan for Ahriman. Or something.

wait what

>>51931959
Prospero's Forgeworld moon, nice mix of psychic power and high-end mechanicus tech.
Their bots were controlled by psychic power rather than cortex controllers.
They have access to some cool stuff, which probably messed with the Titans in all sorts of ways.

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So, if the Heresy hadn't kicked off when it did, what would a hypothetical war between the Great Crusade era Imperium and the Mechanicum (All of it, including the indentured Knight Houses) look like? Now they're reconnected with their domains they're not gaining much from the alliance with Terra. Could they take the Legions on? Much as it makes my Iron Hands sad to say it, I think they probably could. Without the Forge Worlds the Imperium doesn't have the production for a war, and grinding your way through Forge Worlds is bloody difficult when everything there actively wants to kill you.

Assuming the Imperium keeps a minority of the Forge Worlds, probably allies with Xana and such, as well as keeping a large chunk of the Reductor as they were more loyal to Terra, and the Mech keep enough agricultural, Hive and other worlds to function, since a lot of them are vassals anyway.

>>51931970
>TFW you're a loyalist, but don't think Magnus/TS deserved this fate
https://youtu.be/R0dWr-ROll4