/5eg/ - Fifth Edition General: Planar Edition

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Does orcpub not support warlock patron spells? trying to get dissonant whispers and Tasha's Hideous Laughter, but they aren't showing up in the list

How much AC should a Barbarian have at 1st level? Using standard array, 15 AC seems to be the best i can get without using a shield. This seems low, but i guess Barbarian has a shitton of hp and resistances.

>>51878398
I have never found a character sheet generator for any game that has been satisfactory.

>>51878400
17 if you care about AC, because fuck you, use a shield.

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Since only half my party can make it to the session this week, I'm going to run a one-off adventure wherein they play a group of bad guy mercenaries who pull a heist for the BBEG and then have to escape to a teleportation circle.these characters will later show up as antagonists in the main campaign.
They'll be playing 6th level characters, I was planning to give them a few magic items to spice things up, but even the "uncommon" items seem OP as fuck in many cases. Anyone have experience running a heist type adventure? And what magic items would you recommend for a barbarian, an oath breaker, a shadow monk, and an evil druid?
Also, if I have them get caught and thrown in prison once they reach the other side of the teleport, will that feel cheap to my players? I need to get these characters out of the way while the main party levels up a bit.

>>51878353

One of my parties had to travel to the Feywild to exploit its time warping properties, so as to reach a somewhat distant city near-instantaneously. They redeemed a black unicorn, slaughtered some mind-controlled Eladrin, and slew a fey prince modeled after David Bowie. It was good times.

>>51878478
Goblin King i assume?

>>51878400
Shouldn't be too hard to get Scale armour and 14Dex, or if you're Human, Halfling, or Half-Elf, 16con, 16dex naked also gives you the 16AC.

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>Fiend Bladelock 3/Monk 1/Bladesinger X
>Have insane AC, use Dex for Mace of Dispater attacks and tons of spell slots for pseudo-smite
>No need to care about more than 13 Cha or Wis because you can take use Mage Armor and Warlock levels for utility cantrips/Invocation (including Armor of Shadows)

Person with the DM who brought my kobold stats down to effectively 2d6 instead of 3d6 because "reasons" here.

DM just told me that faerie fire does not grant its advantage at night because it's "unflavorful"

I'm fuckin' done with this shit.

Popular wisdom is greatsword + polearm master is the best, and I don't doubt that for a moment.

But what sort of at least so-so ways are there to make use of your reactions and bonus reactions if for whatever reason you don't go that route?

For example, berserker's bonus attack action.

>>51878530
It's your own damn fault faggot.

>>51878511
>More than 14 dex on a barbarian
Ew

>>51878530
Wouldn't faerie fire be more helpful in the dark?

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What's your favorite character concept or idea? Whether you got to play them, or just held onto them.

>>51878547
>Greatsword + Polearm master
Glaive, not GS, GS only works with GWM.

>>51878577
You would think that.

But no, to him, in the dark, it only removes darkness disadvantage, but does not grant the advantage it should.

What's a good way to roleplay/gameplay flavor a character who is losing their mind? I've got a great old one warlock and I'm trying to come up with ways where he can be approaching insanity but still playable.

>>51878530
Talk like Jar-Jar binks, expressively, every encounter, insist that you're not done yet, and continue to talk over every NPC interaction he has or tries.

If he says "Oh, X attacks you and kills you." insist that you're not done, and keep talking over him.

If he finally says "Rocks fall your characters die." then take out your character sheet, Snipjaw the Second. After all, Kobolds are notoriously good at multiplying and breeding, it just makes sense and anything else would be unflavourful.

>>51878587
On one hand, normally disadvantage and advantage cancel each other out.
On the other, you're a kobold and thus have darkvision, and can see in the fucking dark anyways.
On the other, the spell even illuminates things it hits so they couldn't even be obscured by the fucking dark unless it was magical darkness.
So, on both hands, a bird for that DM.

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>>51878582

>>51878584
That's what I meant

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>>51878547
Rogues and Monks have fantastic bonus action abilities. Like cunning action maneuvering, or using mage hand or fast hands to drop caltrops, ball bearings, or alchemist fire.

Battlemasters also get riposte, using a reaction to make an attack against an enemy that misses them. If you multiclass into Rogue, you could even get 2 sneak attacks off in a round, since it's limited by turns not rounds.

>>51878613
Yeah, the fact that it gives off dim light is clearly meant to remove the darkness disadvantage so the advantage piece can still land.

>>51878612
Just gonna go full on Rogue Legacy with this shit.

>>51878530
Alternatively, improve your characters Int, Wis, Cha, and HP massively.

If he questions it, you're clearly a red-dragon in disguise polymorphed as a kobold, and it would be unflavourful to represent your stats as anything else.

>>51878593
Spending your time sleeping during a rest zoned out with your eyes open and muttering can freak out anyone on watch.

Asking "Sorry what was your name again" to other PC's and sometimes calling them weird names.

Repeating things people say like your shocked before agreeing.

Weird little quirks with one or two big crazy things works best. Better if it kinda comes naturally though. Also check out some of the things Xzar from Baldur's Gate says, some are stupid but others are weirdly haunting.

>>51878649
Rogue Legacy his shit in with the most annoying line up of kobold rogues ever seen. Try to rob and backstab and generally frustrate or annoy any and every npc you come across.

It's just what a kobold would do, after all.

>>51878582
Dick ass thief with a bit of magic (AT and playtest bard are my dream classes for it, I don't like full casters). Started stealing because of hunger, kept stealing because it became a habit.

Basic-ass Wood Elf Archer innawoods (Ranger, Rogue and Shadow Monk kinda work for those this edition). Always ready with a song around a campfire.

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>>51878582
Currently, its an aberrant druid Xoriat Planar Shepherd/Abolisher... which is sort of the Far Realm equivalent of a border patrol guy of mexican descent. More generally, anything aberrationish.

There are currently zero interactions with the aberrant type in 5e, but at least anything Far Realmy, Limbo-ey, OR aberrationy is filed under the aberration type, so I'm hopeful.

>>51878582
Half-Elf noble bastard, unacknowledged. Makes ill-advised pact to get the power to claim what he thinks is rightfully his. Swashes some buckles and occasionally tosses out a spell or three.

>>51878649
>>51878716
Now I want to play a Revenent character but each time he dies it's his son, brother, sister, cousin, uncle or whatever taking up his Paladin quest.

Also play them like insane martyrs.

Aarakocra Phoenix Sorcerer, with full understanding that it's sub-optimal on several levels: yes or no?

>>51878739
You're a full caster, you'll be alright. Blaze it up.

>>51878582
Kobold Barbarian, 6 Strength, 8 Con.

Touch her belt of giant-strength or her amulet of health and she will shriek with enough pitch to break glass and will sulk for the rest of the dungeon.

>>51878468
No fuck you I want a big ass hammer.

>>51878400
I keep forgetting it isnt the monk, and i can wear non-heavy armour and still do Barbarian things.

>>51878582
Human Illusionist that comes from a huge family who are all the top Wizards. Seems skilled but is actually one of the least talented children in the family and received letters nonstop about it like, "Why haven't you learnt 5 level spells yet? When your sister was your age she could cast them"

Also Kobold Artificer Gunsmith who wants to be a famous dragon hunter.

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>>51878737

>>51878739
On the plus side, you get the effects of a Concentration keyword spell on at all times.

What is the most fun class/character you've played and why?

>>51878799
Dungeon Master

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>>51878809
How would you stat him?

>>51878739
Once you get your Charisma up it'll actually be pretty cool. See if your DM will let you use the Spellpoint variant and Mantle of Flame be level divided by 5 times per rest rounded up or something.

>>51878822
Hit Dice: Infinite
Hit Points at 1st Level: As many as you want
Hit Points at Higher Levels: See above

Proficiencies:
Saving Throws: Improv

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>>51878593
Try to frantically explain to anyone who let's you talk long enough the profane revelations you've discovered while searching through the empty void between stars.
Haphazardly describe that there are animal-like aberrations that crawl and slither over every persons skin, or surface. They multiply their population through division, and spread disease and plague.

If they let you keep going on just make up wild shit "MAGIC THE COMES FROM THE WEAVE IS ALL A LIE. THE WEAVE RUNS THROUGH OUR MITOCHONDRIA. ALSO THE MITOCHONDRIA IS THE POWERHOUSE OF THE CELL. ALSO OUR CELLS ARE.." etc.

Draw inspiration from true things that people said that would've gotten you charged with heresy back in the day, but it was all beamed into you by some otherworldly intelligence that just so happens to let you Eldritch Blast.

>>51878739
Is this a jojo reference, anon?

>>51878825
As usual

>Combined spell points and sorcery points
>Spells known progression ends at 5, 6+ mimic the Warlock progression
>At 11, choose a level 6 spell, you can cast it once per day. Doesn't cost spell points to use.
>Same for 13,15,17 and 7,8,9

>>51878864
No.

I don't into trash meme anime.

>>51878865
Honestly this plus an extended spell list for each Origin fixes the sorcerer. Makes it feel like someone who can nuke the shit out of everything or hold back with spam shields, versatile like they should be.

Is there legitimately no way to make a normal PHB ranger be on par?

>>51878864
You can't be serious. That doesn't even make sense.

>>51878611
A skeleton may want to kill you, but even a mighty Skeleton Warlord is 20 fuckin pounds. Putting him in a burlap sack should be all you need to disable him.

>>51878874
get taste

>>51878901
Choose Hunter, multiclass into Fighter. And pick the right race to boost Dex.

>>51878925
If I wanted to get taste, anime wouldn't be on the menu, anon.

>>51878887
>an extended spell list for each Origin
What would be some good spells for each?

Starting a new game, Character is a Battlemaster Fighter with backgrounds infiltration skills designed for political assasination, joining a group of similarly skilled individuals.

Got a +2 weapon and an uncommon item of my choice.

Also have 5,000 gold to spend.

What the fuck do I spend it on? Are poisons worth getting, they are expensive and we have enough. Is it worth getting spell components to cover the cost of any healing or ressurection I might need? It seems smart for any savvy and resourceful fighter with access to powerful divine magic via contacts and allies to carry a couple large diamonds close to their heart.

What uncommon items are juicy and exciting to have for a fighter?

>>51878582
I had an idea for a half-drow paladin called the Mongrel who acts tough when she first meets the party but is secretly a huge dork raised with her blood twin sister by a couple who found them on their doorstep.
She has an adoptive brother who's a few years younger than her, and constantly sends extra money to those that raised her. She barely managed to cut it into the paladins before getting ridiculously swole during her training due to her weird genetics.
She's a little embarrassed at how huge she is, and gets pissed if people get surprised that she's a woman, because she's heard it so often.

>>51879018
Does she have a The Odd Couple vibe with an Oathbreaker?

>>51879049
Her father is one, so kind of.

Our groups ranger has been using nets for a while, and wants to craft an upgraded version, heavy barbed adamantine link nets, for a more durable and possibly harmful entrapment.

Inflicts 1d4+Dex percing damage on hit, DC14 to escape, AC23 and 18HP to destroy. Snared creatures take 1d4 damage each time they attempt any action.

How much do you think this item would be valued? 250gp? 500gp? 1,000gp? More?

Character wants at least a pair, and I think he is likely to try and pair heat-metal onto them for additional effect. Ultimately though it seems sub-par compared to say, shooting repeatedly and taking attacks, but he seems to be having fun.

>>51879065
Is the adoptive father the oathbreaker, or is the oathbreaker her deadbeat biological father?

>>51878582
A peasant who had the role of a "chosen hero" pushed onto him by a Hexblade patron and the surrounding villagers.

Always pick the quirky invocations and spells to use them in a quirky manner.

>>51879084
Biological. He wasn't intentionally a deadbeat- the man was originally a Fighter who swore to fight against the forces of Chaos. After being betrayed, he swore an Oath of Conquest to a god of war in exchange for saving his life from a party member who had unintentionally betrayed him (unintentionally because the traitor, a warlock, didn't recognize him when she offered his life in exchange for her sister). He's sort of somewhere between Oathbreaker (because he had sworn to fight for justice) and Conquest.
He got brought back and then died, his wife, the mother of Mongrel, died soon after. The twins wound up with complete strangers to hide their heritage, among other things.

>>51878582
I know it's not an official player race, but a Dryad seems like it could make for a fun PC. Run as a druid or ranger, obviously.

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Is there any way to easily look at the older edition's fluff for monsters & races other than reading their description in the books? Like some sort of wiki or something. I want some inspiration on how to alter some things I'm not fond of in this edition (Gnolls, gnomes, demiliches, slaads) and I don't want to have to go through a bunch of old books.

>>51879162
>Offers his service in exchange for having his life saved from someone else who was trying to sacrifice him to save someone else.
uh

>>51878901
Pure Hunter might work, truth is even Hunter is relatively front loaded. At most there's really nothing compelling past level 11, even your spells at 4-5 are kinda shit, and a lot of the supposedly great archery boosting spells you can use are going to be stepping on Hunter's Mark's toes.

I'm finishing up my group with the Starter set, and I'm trying to come up with campaign ideas
As of now: players are summoned to a foreign court to find 7 pieces of a great hero's armor in order to fight back against an encroaching evil force that is threatening to take over (their) known world.

Having them go thru 7 trials/areas seems too simple, any ideas?
Or is this an OK skeleton?

>>51879199
He didn't know it at the time, and after he found out the truth, he rationalized it as a matter of principle- he didn't care so much that it was him that was up to be sacrificed, but that 1) she didn't even check and 2) she had in the past used her bad fortune to draw sympathy from the rest of the party, declaring she wouldn't engage in evil .
He was just self-centered and naive enough for the god of war to play him along as undertaking the war for a noble cause despite being a devil. Something along the lines of "The nation you're conquering is ruled by douchebags, so you're really aiding the just revolution. Plus, if you don't do it, I'll find a much worse person to do it instead."
The guy wasn't the best judge of character.

>>51879221
Shit. Forgot to mention "plot"
The king's councilor has been fuckin evil the whole time, wants to summon this hero of oldé to take kingship/rule the land.
The evil from outside is all a ruse!

Very cliché but I'm OK with it

The seven pieces of armour are far too large to be a fit for anyone, but are actually parts of an adamantine golem.

After they get three pieces, they find that instead of the 4th piece, they find that a rival has also been claiming the armour for his own goals, leading to conflict on both sides trying to both fight each other for their pieces, and contest each other for the final piece.

Bonus points, later into it, imply that activating the golem is a heavy cost and that even though they are almost finished, they should consider trying to find other methods to protect the realm.

I'm thinking like FMA style ritual sacrifice of an entire town/city of innocents to power it, an event that the players discover that errands they have completed have already set in motion. Aka, help rescue the hostages from X bandit camp and escort them to Y village. Set up these magical sentinel stones at these points in Y village.

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>>51878353
What kind of interesting background could you make with a Stone Sorcerer + Hexblade multiclass?

>>51879275
Hails from a mining planet where they worked security for the magitech mining company that operated the place. Went rogue after discovering that the civil unrest and improved oxygen prices are part of a conspiracy to mask the fact alien artifacts were found on world until a proper pick-up crew can arrive to make it all vanish without destroying the stuff's resale value.

>>51879275
You are the sword and the stone. An intelligent weapon lodged in a rock managed to give it life.
I tried.

>>51879274
Holy FUCK MAN.
Great ideas!!

Best thing I've made that I'm proud of is a gaudy, fabulous NPC who runs a gambling stand and has like d100 "magical, "useful" items".
If the players like him a lot I'm going to make the Plinko board IRL instead of them play a flash version.

But that's some good shit that spices it up. Thank you!

>>51879328
Wait, you might be on to something

That's just stupid enough to make me really like that. I'm gonna flesh that out and see where I can go with it

Hey /5eg/ , let me preface this by saying I know it's stupid and not RAI.

But if you pull off an attack with a shitty enough modifier, by RAW is it possible to deal negative damage?

For example if a character with a STR score of 7(-2 modifier) made an unarmed attack and by some miracle it hit, would it restore one HP to the target?

It's just been bugging me.

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>>51879275
"When pure talent didn't cut it, they made a deal for even more power."

"Everything was going great for the stone sorcerer, until the new weapon they picked up started talking back and making demands."

"Lowlife/commoner/simple boatman forms a pact with the fabled cursed relic, later realizes that the power unlocked his hidden potential as a stone sorcerer."

>>51879275
Ancient Dwarven Stone-Warhammer carved from volcanic bedrock and obsidian. A heavy lodestone reaches out to find a dwarf strong enough to bear its burden.

An massive, ornately curved falchion forged from pure gold, extravagant and deadly it holds the greedy spirit of the Dao that created it, who is the ancestor of the earth-touched hero.

A mighty spear, spirit of the shifting sands, guardian of the temple of ancients, calls to he who is born of scorched earth and cracked stone, calls to the girl who flows with the sandstorm.

Necrotic plague from the swamp of rot, flies swarm around the insane warlock known as the mudman, his flesh seemingly sloughing from his body but hard as earth itself, attacks thump his immortal flesh as he grips his mighty whip and strikes those who trespass the bog and his most precious domain. as the land itself groans to obey his call.

>>51879373
Attacks that hit do a minimum of 1 damage by RAW.

>>51879401

Okay, thank you, don't know how I missed that.

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WHYYYYYYY

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Playable Undead WHEN?

>>51879437
You already have revenant, now back to /Pigfucker General/ you deviant edgelord.

>>51879373

I'm not aware of a rule that describes minimum damage. I could see a case being made for 0 or 1. I'd probably rule that you always do at least 1, even with a negative modifier or against someone with DR.

Though, negative damage is silly. It's not final fantasy. That's like saying you can take negative fall damage and heal yourself by jumping.

>>51879170
Yeah, get PDFs.

>>51879486
Revenant is barely an undead race, and is incredibley restricted in character options.

>>51879507
Not really, you gotta want vengeance and the object of vengeance is decied by DM, otherwise there are no limits.

>>51879507
>>51879437
Why do you want to play an undead? Like, just straight up, what purpose does it serve in terms of characterization?

>>51879413
Correction
http://www.sageadvice.eu/2015/06/25/minimum-damage/

I was thinking of an earlier edition.

New DM here. Running a session tomorrow for 7 players. Any tips?

>>51879544
Kick 3 of them.

But seriously don't just up the CR of the enemies they fight, make sure enemies have enough actions available to them to stand a chance.

>>51879544
Make peace with your mistake now and never agree to DM for more than 6 in the future.

>>51879531

You could literally ask the same question about elves or gnomes or something.

>>51879569
Thanks

>>51879567
Ok, multiple enemies.

>>51879544
Consider asking one of the players to be DM assistant, 7 players is a lot to juggle, but 3 players each isn't.

Gives you someone to roleplay off of in NPC vs NPC encounters, somone who is a splash more "middle ground" between you and the players, gives you somone to bounce ideas off of, or chase rulings, or simply help people through turns as you handle others.

Other than that, good luck, and always feel free to add extra monsters to a combat if the players begin to stomp it.

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>>51878353
So a Hexblade needs Str if they are to use the Cursebringer

A Fiendlock needs Str for it's Mace of Dispater

A Hexblade not using Cursebringer loses its smites but gains use of CHA to hit/dmg

So what's the point of even having that level 1 ability for CHA? It'd be useful for levels without invocations but obsolete as soon as you get Cursebringer

And if I'm reading correctly, a Hexblade spamming Eldrich Blast is STILL better than a Hexbladelock? Especially with +prof to damage

Hexblade just seems like a slight bit of a hot mess.

>>51879525
That's exactly what I mean, the whole "your goal is VENGEANCE, and only through REVENGE can you sleep". It prevents any other kind of character concept other than IMMORTAL AVENGER.

>>51879588
Good idea, but all the players are also new. I know the rules back to front, but no-one else knows much more than what their character can do.
I think I'll just have make sure that have plenty of enemies to fight.

>>51879582
No, see, there are default assumptions that can be made about your standard common and uncommon fantasy races that are in the PHB, and the monstrous races in Volo's have that question asked and answered in that very book.

Meanwhile, undead are by default assumed to be inherently evil, destructive, and unlikely to cooperate with a party of adventurers outside of direct servitude to a Necromancer, Death Cleric or Oathbreaker.

>>51879627
What about undead created through curses or magical accidents?

>>51879642
Why would those be any less inherently evil and prone to destructive acts than other undead?

>>51879275
Village has "legendary magic weapon of X hero" stuck in a stone.
Everyone tries to pull it out to become the new hero till it became a tourist attraction.

Some peasant who recently awoke his sorcerer origin (used it mostly for agriculture) uses earth magic to dislodge the weapon and pulls it out easily.

The village loosing the revenue from the idiots coming to pull it out chase him away with pitchforks and blazing torches.

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>>51879627
Depends on the setting.

>>51879621
Vengeance does not need to be your primary goal, or even all that important to you, it's just what brought you back to life and ties you to life, Lrn2ThinkCreatively faggot.

>>51879660
No shit. But this is 5e, we have a default setting on which to base assumptions, and even when using someone's homebrewed setting, the MM lore is the standard, not the exception.

>>51879658
Because they don't necessarily have to be? Even if you want to put undead into this forced evil niche, you can still play an evil character in an adventuring party without too many problems.

>>51878530
Stop being such a faggot and play a real character

>>51879695
Shit DM detected.

>>51879682
Okay, that still doesn't answer the initial question of WHY you're so insistent on playing an Undead character. What do you want out of it, and I don't mean mechanically.

>>51879711
Are you about to go on another autistic rant?

>>51879622
Fair enough.

Consider this as something I've done, dish out control of a few of the mookier or more beastial enemies to players.

Got a combat with 6 goblins, 2 orcs, an orc priest and a ogre?

Let one player control 3 of the goblins and another control the ogre. Reward them for playing the monsters smart, ruthless or how they should be played. Watch the conflcit in their eyes as they consider smashing their own character with an ogre club, or trying to justify why the ogre just stumbled over to fight someone else.

Obviously they aren't allowed to turn on their "Allies" but it's nice to see what players do in control of some of the monsters.

>>51879659
Village has a legendary sword stuck in the stone, one day a wandering yokel decides to give it a pull for a lark, the sword comes free, he hears a voice, actually, two.

"At least, I am free from my torment, I thank you for removing me from that rock and offer you my blessing and power!"
"At least, I am free from my torment, I thank you for removing that sword from me and offer you my blessing and power!"
"Wait, wha-" BAMF

>>51879741
>insistently wanting to play an undead
>offering no argument as to why
>calling other people autistic
Kettle this is pot, you're black.

>>51879779
No one asked you.

>>51879793
>>51879741
He's right though, the only one being autistic here is you.

>>51879711
I enjoy the aesthetic, and also enjoy the roleplaying opportunities available from playing someone from another generation. Undead races also have a fairly unique theme of faded glory, where the character isn't what they used to be but is still fighting all the same.

>>51879806
Don't encourage autismo under literally any circumstance.

What kinda fun build can I do with warforge from UA? Assuming I cant multi class

>>51879806
There's two of us btw, >>51879811 is not >>51879741

>>51879823
Show the court where I touched you, anon.

>>51879853
Fuck off Autismo, you're ruining our great discussion.

>>51879833
Forge Cleric.
Plate, Blessing, and a +1 Shield gives you 22AC off the bat, slap Shield of Faith for 24AC and the odd regular Shield spell for 29AC when needed.

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>>51878353

Is there an optional rule for using DEX to determine a tie initiative on the DMG?

Can I assume that any DM that do it this way is a 3.pf faggot ,who never actually read 5e PHB?

>>51879811
Mind if ask what you mean specifically by "aesthetic". It's not that your wrong in saying it, but considering the breadth of existing undead, it really doesn't mean much by itself.

As for the rest
>elf from a community of humans quite literally can be centuries older than anyone else in the area

As for the last bit, i would argue that's what backgrounds and RP is for. The old grizzled veteran human fighter is a staple of D&D, and 5e supports it harder than ever before thanks to the Soldier or Town Guard backgrounds

>>51879924
And of course, the Warforged +1AC for 25.

At level 1 you're looking down the barrel of 20AC, 22 with Shield of Faith and +5 from Shield.


Grab adamantine armour if and when possible since things will hit you mostly only on crits.

Bonus points, you can use your channel divinity to offer 100gp of artwork, coin, or other valuables for a metal object worth equal value.

Such as a 100gp ingot of Adamantine, you need 500gp of Adamantine and 750gp of Steel and other goods to craft your own adamantine fullplate using tools but it will take nearly two months of downtime and access to a forge.

GM might however claim that you need a specialist forge to work adamantine, even with your divine blessings of forgework.

>>51879945
It's not a terrible way to handle it, although i would heavily favor
>higher initiative modifier
since that is more encompassing and less biased.

>>51879945
Personally, I have the one with the higher modifier always lose a tie.

>>51879945
DMG says that ties against other players, players just decide who goes first.

Ties between players and monsters, GM decides who goes first.

Rolling for tiebreakers is entirely optional.

>>51879627
The default is definitely that a vampire can continue adventuring with the party.

>>51879945
RAW: DM decides between tied NPCs and PCs tied with NPCs, and players decide ties between PCs.

Honestly it's easier just to use dex score to determine who goes first, then an opposed d20 roll if it's still the same.

>>51879957
> buffing DEX build

>>51879779
Yes, being obsessively opposed to what random strangers you will never game with do in their own private campaigns, despite undead being playable for decades and undead PCs predating, say, thieves, is definitely autistic.

>>51879754
>Village has a legendary sword stuck in the stone, one day a wandering yokel decides to give it a pull for a lark, the sword comes free, he hears a voice, actually, two.
>"At least, I am free from my torment, I thank you for removing me from that rock and offer you my blessing and power!"
>"At least, I am free from my torment, I thank you for removing that sword from me and offer you my blessing and power!"
>"Wait, wha-" BAMF

Okay made me chuckle.

>>51879977
No, it isn't, other than the special Zendikar vampires that aren't actually "undead" in the D&D sense.
>Whether or not a vampire retains any memories from its former life, its emotional attachments wither as once-pure feelings become twisted by undeath.
>>51879987
See, you can tell you've never actually played 5e for any decent length of time. Not only are tied initiative a rarity, the reason i said initiative mod is superior is so that things like Alert apply.
I also never said it was the best, just that it certainly functions for simplicity.

>>51879947
While I agree that an elf in a human community could play that role, elves generally seem to adapt better to changing times, being naturally immortal, while human beings don't adjust as well. Regarding aesthetics and the old grizzled veteran, I like undead because they embody that aspect. They are quite literally a rotten husk of what they once were, and with each passing day less and less of what they were remains. It's similar in theme almost to the middle aged action star who's putting on weight in his age, except I don't have to play a fat guy.

>>51880019
I mean, strictly speaking, the common undead in D&D don't fit the theme at all. Few actually retain any meaningful part of their identity, and even those that do are altered. Even the revenent is a shell of its former self, striving towards a single goal at all costs.

>>51879956
>At level 1 you're looking down the barrel of 20AC

this is assuming I get platemail right?

>>51880007
> asking for "hey X what is your initiativd modifier" then do the same for Y
> more simple than "hey who want to go first X or Y"

Also I think you are the one without enough game experience. Initiative tie isn't uncommon when you play 2-3 times a week with at least 4-5 combat per session like how 5e was suppose to play. Just do to the sheer number of rolls between players and monsters.

>>51880007
>No, it isn't

Yes, it is. Remember, your autism is the variant position. The DM *might take control* indicates this is just one option. You can fully expect playable-from-level-1 undead to show up sooner or later; Volo's didn't have much at all for undead antagonists, either.

>>51880042
Vampires definitely fit as PCs, and were PCs before thieves and probably clerics were playable.

>inb4 "but vampires kill things and are mean :("

>>51880065
If I recall correctly, clerics were put into the game because one character was playing a vampire and being a total douche about it, so they wrote up some rules to Van Helsing him with.

>>51880042
That's why there should be playable undead, who have at least a fraction of their former identity. It can create unique and fun characters.

>>51880074
We do have one, i'm trying to find out what additional ones you feel we need to fulfill a niche. You've mentioned a few things, but they certainly undead exclusive, so while i'm not staunchly opposed to it, i don't see a need either.

>>51880072
The rules for Sir Fang definitely strike me as beyond full retard, but unfortunately we will never know exactly how the heck the first iteration of the cleric managed to do anything to him.

>>51879956
>>51879924
I was planning to play barb of the Storm Herald

and refluff rage into combat mode

>>51880058
Just like with lycanthropy, if your party can play with a Lawful Evil undead for your campaign, then it works, but saying that it works by default is like saying you never use passive skills by default, because the DM decides when they happen.

>>51880091
certainly aren't*

>>51880091
Revenant is too purposeful, being solely dedicated to a task and working like a machine towards it. I'm looking for something that doesn't force you to define your character around their need for vengeance/to fulfill an oath.

>>51880127
We also have the Planshift:Zendikar Vampire.

>>51880143
Those aren't undead, those are vampires.

>>51879956
I have a varied currency system in my games, depending on where the players get coin from.

Dwarven Glimmers, Shillings and Pennies are the GP, SP and CP. Mithral Glints are a dwarvenwork coin made of mirthal, valued same as PP.
Elven Falcons and Sparrows are the GP and SP, but they most often work in trade-goods and the like.
Imperial Crowns, Imperial Silver and Imperial Bits are their GP, SP and CP.
Florince Dabloons are an old currency, worth 3GP to each Coin.
Silver Dollars and Silver Dimes are the GP and SP equivilent in some areas.

Dragon eggs are heavy, smooth edged golden coins worth 25GP each.
Dragon writs, are usually papers of credit that are valued match to Dragon-eggs used by merchants.

Midnight Curses are a platinum coin found in old ruins, valuable but hard to find common traders who will accept them due to superstition surrounding the currency and the fey. The price varies depending on whomever is valuing them, a wary trader may only offer 5gp a coin for them and only accept a small amount, A no-nonsense travelling merchant might take them at face value but an eager collector may offer 15gp per coin. A particularly suspicious looking fellow who seems shifty as fuck might offer 25gp each, who knows maybe they really are cursed.

One of the most unsual, the currency kept by the druids in the realm are Obelisks, each worth 10gp and each a stone pillar several feet thick and ten feet tall, about five hundred are arranged in a massive stone circle in the forest and they are never moved, the druids just keep track of who owns which stones... Somehow. There are several smaller circles of less than a hundred or so scattered about. Several of the stones have been damaged, stolen, lost, or even outright destroyed, but the druids claim that they must exist in some way, shape or form, and thus continue to trade them.

Murian Slugs are now the newest addition, heavy finger sized ingots of adamantine worth 100gp each.

>>51880153
Technically Revenant is a subrace that applies to PC option humanoids.

>>51880106
There's nothing even 0.0001% abnormal about Lawful Evil PC behavior, and LE's behavior is essentially the same as Chaotic Good ("do things you're comfortable with") so yeah, it is the default.

There's a bit of a difference in "option the DM can choose to disallow" and "option the DM can choose to allow," and vampires are in the former.

Even if being a vampire was in the category of, say, feats and monstrous humanoids (things the DM can choose to allow), though, that still wouldn't justify you being an uppity little entitled CUNT about it.

>>51880053
No :^)

16 Scale, +1 Warforged, +2 Shield, +1 Forge blessing.

>>51880163
What's your point?

>>51880153
Being undead in 5e literally does nothing but make you turnable that I can think of.

>>51880162
Imagine the look on a players face when they find a coffer filled with 5000.. Midnight Curses, knowing they are rich but have to fight to find someone to accept them.

And maybe they are also cursed, who knows.

>>51880074
I want to do this with my next setting, which might not be in 5e, but it was mentioned before in a past thread that an interpretation of the fey might be the spirits of the un-buried dead attached to something or somewhere where they died.
So an 'elven man' could be a spirit that attached to a grove where he fell asleep and never woke up, searching for his past identity. His body would likely be composed of fragments of trees where he fell and pieces of wood that twisted themselves into the shape of a man, because his soul was desperately looking for his body.
If I had to write rules for these sort of unburied, I'd say that due to their nature as spirits given a second shot at life, their unliving nature means healing magic doesn't work on them and they don't recover HP normally.
Greeks used to pay libation to the dead, which could be anything from just wine, mead, milk, oil, or honey for the ordinary dead or blood for the sake of heroes or warriors. Allegedly, a libation made correctly sometimes allowed the ritualist to speak with the dead, as sustenance (particularly blood) made a spirit physically present for a short period.
So instead of regular healing potion or spell, you could have a cleric prepare a specific ritual to allow the fey to walk about a little longer to conclude his business. A past life could also explain proficiency with weapons or tools, but I would say they can't be revived- their connection to the world is weak at best, so obliterating their body would put them to eternal rest.

>>51880182
Makes you immune to spells like charm person, hold person and a lot of others that target "Humanoids."

Amusingly, the Yaun-Ti Pureblood race should also be immune to these spells as they are monstrosities not humanoids.

>>51880182
It means you can't be healed, except by Aura of Vitality.

>>51880178
That the distinction is irrelevant, they keep PCs humanoid for game balance.

>>51880198
hm, I guess that could occasionally come in handy.

Yuan ti strikes again!

>>51879437
Who's that? Also from Batman beyond?

>>51880209
>>51880182
Vampires also aren't really undead, they're hot dudes who drink blood and live forever.

>>51880204
Yeah, I think being undead is 99% you being fucked over, 1% the oni notices you're a skellington and hits a different party member with Charm Person.

>>51880165
By RAW, you can't even be turned into a vampire, that's entirely DM fiat. The only thing in the MM is a vampire turning you into a Vampire Spawn, which is under the Vampire's direct control.

I guess the assumption is that you eventually become a full-fledged vampire if your sire dies, but i'm not seeing a mechanic for it.

>>51880232
Do you mean the Zendikar race? You're probably right (though I think of that more as a mercy for PCs), in general I don't find anything not "undeady" about vampires.

As reasonable as it is to consider vampires to not be undead, one could just as reasonably consider skeletons and demiliches to be constructs (a form of uppity animated object), the guys that have no bodies and no souls (WTF?) to be fiends, ghouls and ghasts to be aberrations, and zombies and perhaps mummies to be, depending on creation method, diseased, cursed, and controlled humanoids.

In fact, I really enjoy that concept, minus the annoyance it'd cause players with anti undead effects.

>>51880232
Vampires are just edgy cultist Elves. Think south park Vampire Kids, except they live forever and their parents act the same.

>>51879711
>that still doesn't answer the initial question of WHY you're so insistent on playing an Undead character

Refer back to >>51879582

Why are you so insistent on playing an elf, or a dwarf? Anything you can do with those races, you could have done with a human civilization instead.

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>>51878353
>http://pastebin.com/X1TFNxck
does anyone have a pdf of the Epic Characters Handbook from Dungeon Master's Guild

>>51880273
Not that anon, but i would ask the same question, if dwarves weren't already around.

There needs to be a reason to ADD something, otherwise we get 3.bloat.

Do wotc still replace PHBs with dodgy binding? What did they do for people in Australia?

>>51880293

unless your games are human-only, it's completely arbitrary that you can be a cat person or a kobold but not a skeleton

>>51879539

Ah okay, so it's zero minimum.

How would you describe that?

>As the goblin's fist connects with your face, you feel only a slight wave of pity

>>51879012
buy a +1 weapo-
>got a +2 weapon
just buy whatever the fuck it doesn't matter

if you're a dex fighter expecting to be good at stealth without the rogue's expertise you're in for a bad time and bounded accuracy is going to bend you over the table. Take an item that gives advantage on stealth if that's the case, like one of the Elvenkind items

>>51880303
I'm literally asking you, what would it add?
It can't be mechanically an undead, because all races are humanoid, and the design of 5e necessitates that.
The flavor of undead in the standard setting information implies the vast majority to be soulless and evil.

I'm not saying adding any particular race is bad, but Tabaxi fulfills the animal-person niche, and they went with a "fast and claws" theme with cats. I actually wasn't excited for it at all, but i won't ban it either.
If an undead race comes out, i will feel identically.

>>51880250
Nah, DM fiat is a vampire turning you into a full on vampire out of niceness or another reason (quest reward), but even an uncooperative vampire can eventually be forced by a necromancer or even by the right charm spell. Even higher level is various uses of True Polymorph.

Its not that being undead is impossible in 5e, its just backloaded and really, really powerful.

Meanwhile, the skellumton and zombie stats are pretty weak but wholly optional. I have a feeling they will inevitably show up in a splat. Both are intelligent in 5e, though there's no particular reason they'd cooperate with PCs, so I'd probably have them be sent by a necromancer ally/mentor of the PCs (Or maybe even something not very necromancy focused, like an ordinary cleric). If somebody actually wanted to play one, I wouldn't have a problem.

>>51880293
Bloat isn't an actual problem. I'd rather have bloat that 5.lolnooptions

>>51880266
>>51880232
I'm pretty sure vampires are just Yuan Ti Purebloods using a bluff check. Some have fangs that secrete a weak poison that makes people dazed and light headed, or even pass out, whereupon a Pureblood wizard or arcane trickster will occasionally use Phantasmal Force and/or Suggestion to make him think he's risen from the grave as his minion.

>>51880359
>muh kitsune

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>>51880351
Anon, this is the only mechanic related to becoming a vampire in the MM. By RAW, nothing ever upgrades you into a Vampire from a Vampire Spawn, so any time a PC becomes a full fledged Vampire involves DM fiat. Which is fine, but it isn't the default, as was suggested earlier, ever.

>>51880379
You know what you can do when kitsune is an official option? Ban it. You know what you have to do if your players and you want kitsune and it isn't an official option? Find some shitty homebrew.

>>51880419

pfg is that way
>>51872754

>>51880433
Not an argument.

>>51880333
>what would it add?

the same as literally any race in the game

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>>51878353
Would a dual wielding Hexblade Bladelock be any good or is Cursebringer kind of mandatory for the archetype?

What about a Fiend Bladelock and the Mace of Dispater?

How are you supposed to award XP for creatures with Rejuvenation, like Flameskulls or Liches? After all, the party did kill, but didn't actually destroy it. Should they be awarded full XP for each time they kill it?, cause that sounds too much like farming to me.

>>51880443
Just use milestones like any sane individual.

>>51880443
They shouldn't be getting XP unless they solved the problem, whether that involves destroying it entirely, or locking it in a chest and dropped into the ocean.

>>51880443
>>51880450
Mind you that sometimes the problem is
>holy shit, this lich is going to kill us
In which case you solved the immidiate problem the lich represented. That doesn't mean you should award full XP, but they should get some.

>>51880399
I thought Vampire Spawn became vampires by drinking the blood of a full vampire or something

>>51880440
That obviously isn't true, otherwise you wouldn't be so insistently determined to play it over literally any other race.

>>51878582
I always enjoy cultist stuff. I'd need to get prior rulings from the DM to make Create Thrall work better, but I'd love to go full Warlock with a focus on mind control. Maybe go monster race.

>>51880442
You can't create 2 weapons with your Pact of the Blade feature, the first disappears when you use it again. You also can't manifest any of the Invocation options for the feature if you transform another weapon into your Pact weapon, because you have to manifest that weapon type.

Although by my reading, any magical mace you turn into your pact weapon automatically becomes the Mace of Dispater, instead of its normal stats, which seems a bit silly.

>>51880468
Fuck me, your right, they had it hidden away in the description, even though other bit is in the stat block.

Now I'm imagining a scenario in which a vampire tricks another vampires spawn into drawing blood from them somehow, breaking their bond.

>>51880516
>Vampire goes around freeing vampire spawn for shits and giggles to shatter the ranks of his enemies

>>51880498
What about just your pact weapon and a mundane weapon? Like the Mace of Dispater or Pact longsword combined with a regular dagger/shortsword?

I'm essentially asking if dual wielding on a Warlock could take advantage of +prof to damage and the best way to do it. 1 level dip into Hexblade then the rest into Fighter maybe?

>>51880535
Only the Hexblade patron gets you the +prof to damage, so that doesn't work. You COULD forgo the psuedo-smite and dual wield as a Hexblade Pact of the Blade warlock to manage 3 total attacks at 5, but the offhand bonus action attack still can't apply ability modifier to damage thanks to Two-Weapon Fighting.

>>51880535
>>51880566
Oh, and both weapons would have to be Light, so your math would be
3d6+2(Str/Cha/Dex)+3(proficiency) from 5 onward, unless you pick up feats and/or a fighting style from another class.

>>51879423
hey there son, don't spend that all in one place

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>>51879619
>So what's the point of even having that level 1 ability for CHA?
one level dip from a better CHA class

>>51880581
Oh and to continue with this, this makes you extremely Bonus Action hungry, your Hex, Offhand attack, and Hexblade's Curse feature all are fighting for it, so even ignoring Hex, you can't add +prof to damage until the second round of combat against a target.

>>51880604
You can be a non-Pact of the Blade Hexblade.

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What would you guys want in an undead race?

>>51880604
Fuck off with that frog

>>51880622
A not-technically undead Shadowfel based race, aka Shade.
PCs need to be humanoid by the games design.

>>51880631

>triggered by a frog

Grow up or go back to the kiddies table at tumbler.

>>51880293
Undead are pretty interesting both mechanically and in terms of roleplaying, you not liking it is not a valid complaint. They are not even slightly redundant.

>>51880622
A skeleton.

>>51880443
Full XP.
If a living wizard flees the party, you get full XP.
If a living wizard is killed and resurrected the next day, you also get full XP.

>cause that sounds too much like farming to me

a lich is in many ways the most powerful creature in the game, once you factor in the way it can recharge its spells so fast. If you can "farm" a creature that can teleport away and come back in a few weeks with an unstoppably vast horde of elementals or whatever (or fiends if the UA is involved), by all means, you're welcome to it.

>>51880640
PCs don't have to be humanoid.

>>51880622
Take a standard race then a -2 penalty in your main stat for your starting class. All the benefits of undead.

>>51880622
Most obvious ones seem to be zombies and skellingtons.

Vassaliches would also be cool -- a sort of lich's apprentice monster from 2e, but you could justify just about any power level for it.

>>51880640
>PCs need to be humanoid by the games design.

They really don't. The Charm Person thing is incredibly tenuous and has never been a problem in any other edition. You could play D&D for 10,000 years and never see a single campaign imbalanced or disrupted.

How do I most efficiently go about bringing /5eg/ down to /pfg/ levels?

I hate Pathfinder but I like inappropriate anime characters.

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>>51880622
Undead type (can't be healed by most healing spells)
abilities that make them hard to kill, like the zombie's Undead Fortitude and a +2 to Con
doesn't need to eat sleep or breathe as their ribbon (don't try to pretend this has a mechanical impact beyond preventing your precious midnight camp ambushes, faggot)
slap poison resistance on there too, fuck it, dwarves and halflings get that already
if players whine that there's no difference between skeletons and zombies with that version, add some subraces. Skeletons get +1 dex and the ability to disassemble their body while they're conscious and operate their pieces seperately, zombies get +1 str and advantage against being frightened or something, I don't know.

That's what I would present to a player who asks to be an undead. Making a template that can be applied over an existing race would be too much of a headache.

>>51880321
by getting a better understanding of what hp is

>>51880786
meat points

>the cleric lays his hands on you, channels the healing energy of his God into your body, and you feel nothing because HP is plot armor points.

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>>51880889
>Cleric
>Lay on hands

>>51880758
>don't try to pretend this has a mechanical impact
Well, I mean, it also makes the PC immune to suffocation and able to go underwater for as long as they like. They could also be stored in a bag of holding indefinitely.

>>51880898
>what is cure wounds

>>51880912
Underwater has never actually come up for me after years of tabletop games.
>disassembling the skeleton player and storing him in the bag of holding
dang that sounds fun

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I'm starting a cave crawl to end a campaign, but I'm kind of stuck trying to come up with something more fun than just "the enemies approach you in the cave."

It's a sandy, below-a-desert cave and it's got essentially wild magic dust floating in it; I'm probably gonna use the wild magic table for shenanigans, but that doesn't feel like enough for this delve to not be boring.

You guys got any good cave encounters you've run? I want to steal them.

is there a way to like... move 5e away from relying on most of the class abilities being per rest abilities? is that just making a new game?

>>51881019
Why?

>>51880533
>>51880516
>>51880468
>>51880399
>>51880351
Have you guys ever had a campaign where a party member became a vampire?

What was it like? I'm thinking of DMing a game in the future with lots of gothic enemies, werewolves, vampires, hanging around, liable to infect people.

>>51881031
a lot of them seem to me "logically" that you should just be able to do them whenever and not once in between naps.

>>51881055
That will fuck the game balance right up the arse. Not easy to do well with 5e.

>>51878526
Huh.

That's an interesting build, to say the least. I tried to do a Fiend Barbalock, but it wasn't as good as I imagined it to be, so I kind of shelved it. Too MAD, basically, needing all the stats save for Int and Wis to work properly.

But yeah, Dexing Mace of Dispater... Holy shit.

>>51881055
That would largely depend on the power in question, would you prefer 4e's description of per encounter and per day uses?

>>51880758
Probably resistance to necrotic damage and weakness to radiant damage, too?

>>51881135
Only shadows would have weakness to radiant.

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>>51880961
I'd suggest using something different than the wild magic table, it's honestly a bit too randumb for my tastes with all "turns into flowerput" kind of stuff.
I've always felt like something akin to Perils of the Warp from Dark Herecy or maybe even Warp Touch from 3,5 would be more appropriate for Wild Sorcerers.

>>51881147
Oh yeah, I just forgot the Paladin's 1d8 extra radiant damage is tied to the Divine Smite, not being an inherent Undead thing.

That would apply, though, in case some Pally would want to come fuck your day.

Undead Paladin dealing Radiant damage to their brethren? Oh the irony.

>>51881158
The warp table's not a bad idea, but it's more to fuck with spellcasting than warp the characters; the previous parts of the campaign involved specifically developing ways to avoid being tainted by the shit in the air, but I figured it wouldn't extend to their spells. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

Actually, is this just a shit idea altogether? I'm forever DM so I don't know how unfun it is to have a condition where casting spells would cause random effects alongside the spell.

>>51878475
>caught and thrown in prison
It would feel cheap af. Let them be, every other session mention something they've done to advance the BBEG's plot, really hype up the confrontation. And when it comes, don't forget to level them up a bit to show the players aren't the only ones that grow in power.

>>51878530
Shit nigga this ride only gets better.

>>51878858
>blondlady
That's Renata Sorrah in her most iconic role on the Senhora do Destino soap opera. Quality stuff, if you're into that.

>>51880961
enemies attacking from below
a blue dragon taking a nap in one of the chambers
places where the magic swirls the sand, impairing the visibility, making the party prone to be jumped

>>51881147
More half the undead entries in the mm have weakness to radiant.

>>51881250
They don't take extra damage, though they may have something that would be 100% irrelevant for a PC (like fast healing doesn't work).

>>51880442
Cursebringer is there for Pally multiclassing munchkins.

The best use for Hexblade is a PAM Stone Sorc/Hexblade.
You get smites, you get SCAG cantrips, you get Cha based Quarterstaff, you get the short rest warlock slots and you get all dem fine sorcerrer spell slots/points/metamagic.

>>51881231
You can just replace the more silly Wild Surge effects with something more appropriate for the magic cavern setting.

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>>51878920

>>51879012
>Got a +2 weapon and an uncommon item of my choice.
what level are you starting at?
>Is it worth getting spell components to cover the cost of any healing or ressurection I might need?
A 500gp diamond might be a good investment, yeah

>>51881276
What ratio would that be? 3-17 would give the 9th level Wish, yes, but 5-15 would give multiattack a la Thirsting Blade.

Choices, choices... It's just that while a second attack is good, it would lose out in usefulness after a while, especially compared to missing out on wish (and other 9th level spells).

Wait, isn't Hex Warrior basically just a more versatile Shillelagh, except for that d8 damage?

>>51881327
Yep in some ways yes.

I actually love how they made sure to boost versatile and onehanded weapons with this feature.

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Thanks to some crafty developers on Github, I've found a way to simply integrate 5etools' collection of all the stat blocks in 5e with Roll20.

The instructions can be found on the github readme for 5etools (https://github.com/5egmegaanon/5etools) but here it is below:

>Go to https://github.com/5egmeganon/D20plus. Follow the instructions for use: install Greasemonkey/Tampermonkey, install the script, then you're good to go.
(This is my branch of the d20plus userscript, with support for the JSON files instead of dealing with messier XML files).

>Open the Roll20 game you want to import the monsters into.

>With the userscript installed, go to the gear icon and hit Import Monster. Use the following URL for the prompt that pops up: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/5egmegaanon/5etools/master/data/bestiary.json

>Let it run. Your journal will fill up with monsters. It's not too laggy but can take a long time because of how many monsters there are.

>Bam. Done. If you are using the Shaped sheet, be sure to open up the NPC sheets and let them convert before using it.

bestiary.json contains all 737 (give or take) stat blocks in 5e, for ready use in Roll20 with this easy userscripts. There are sometimes errors (like Undefined Weapon Attack for attacks, not something I have figured out a fix for yet) so make sure to check the sheets beforehand.

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>>51881400
sick shit my dude

>>51881400
>https://github.com/5egmeganon/D20plus
Sorry, should be https://github.com/5egmegaanon/D20plus instead.

>>51881274
Uhhh, vulnerability is taking extra damage.

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>>51881400
OH MY GOOOOOD

>>51881400
Whoa, thanks dude.

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>>51881400
You're too great for your own good.
Watch out for WotC assassins.

>>51881310
Mr Rattlebones looks so sad, I actually feel bad for him.

>>51880748
Sure, lets have a PC race that can't be healed.

>>51878506

But of course. Nearly turned the party against itself, he did.

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>>51878911

Have you even read Jojo?

>>51881400
I want to perform oral sex on you and I ain't even gay

>>51880229
its Pearl Jam - Do the Evolution

>>51878587

Yes thats how it works. Disadvantage cancels advantage. But you have darkvision and pack tactics so you gain advantage again

>>51878353
Looking for a PDF listing all possible races, classes, and archetypes. It should be in the pastebin/mega? Can't find it.

It was tied to story reasons but the Halfling Beastmaster's ended up with a Blink Dog as his companion. I know it's not a beast but it made sense after he saved it in the Feywild.

If he rides it can it teleport with him on it? Is there rules for teleporting mounts?

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>>51881682

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>>51881682

LAteposting bestposting

>>51878777
But two weapon fighting is better at first level unless you're variant human.

>>51878400
Scale mail, 16 AC.

>>51878554
>Not playing dex barbarian for ultimate tankiness

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>>51881400
Thanks

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>>51881400
Buying books on roll20fags BTFO

If you ever get a job at Wizards, please tell whoever made familiars using the 'help' action RAI to fuck the heck off

>>51878777
>>51878400
The weapon you use in early fights (or any given fight) does not have to be the one you use primarily forever. Don't be one of those shitheads who lets a single weapon or the existence of PAM/GWM define them.

At low level, use a fucking bow, or a shield, or throw javelins, because your dumb ass is going to die from a single lucky goblin hit.

Reminder that Plane Shifting to any place is DM fiat territory due to the tuning fork needed and Shifting usefully is DM fiat territory even after you have the fork.

>>51879525
This only works if the BBEG is the object of vengeance.

If it's some side character or even a lieutenant there's nothing to keep the revenant around with the party most of the time since they should be running off to single-mindedly pursue their target, none of this "we need to gather more intel" or "yeah okay we know where he is but we have to deal with this other shit first" or "we've got sidequests bro, think of the loot"

Fuck you, I'm killing the guy who killed me so I can go back to bed.

>>51879525
And once you kill that object of vengeance, you die forever. Unless you take a year, in which case you die forever without getting vengeance.

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>>51879931
>only three days for them to finish "making Mystic better"
>WITH COMMENTARY FROM THE KIND OF FUCKWITS THAT WotC ATTRACTS FOR GENERAL BALANCE
NO
NO
NO
THEY'RE GOING TO RUIN IT
I CAN SEE IT NOW
THEY'RE GONNA DRIVE THIS SHIT INTO THE GROUND AND MAKE IT TERRIBLY UN-FUN
NOT EVEN BEING A CASTER CLASS WILL SAVE IT FROM THE SAME UNREPETENT FAGGOTS THAT TOOK AWAY OUR MARTIAL DIE

>>51882132
>>51882152
I read the thing that made Revenant a character option and don't recall that being in there, especially because it recommended a DM could use an extra-planar entity as your object of vengeance and there are very few powerful ones that you could kill in a year.

>>51878353
In terms of planar travel, one group I've been to the Elemental Planes of Magma, Earth and Air. None of them were any fun, especially Magma.
Another group went to Canceri for a bit, as prisoners. We escaped, killed some Yugoloths and ended up in the Abyss where we were slaughtered by a passing force of demons and our souls devoured by a passing demon lord who would die with the rest of his forces in a minor skirmish before reaching the main battlefields of the Blood War. Kinda depressing.

>>51881474
Healing isn't nearly as much of a problem as it was in previous editions. Due to expendable Hit Dice, my group hasn't really needed proper healing in a few sessions.

And we're playing CoS.

>>51882280
>there are very few powerful ones that you could kill in a year
Sucks for you then, but you're already dead, so everything sucks.

>>51882300
I'd like to amend my statement to there are very few you can kill in a single year, as they can only be killed on their home plane, and getting there can be a bitch, even if you get there killing a specific one of the many many many, that there are likely to be, is even more a pain in the ass.

But yeah it would suck for whoever picks that option, I'd let them have as much time as they need to get their vengeance.

>>51882056
>Playing a strength-based class without PAM+GWM, not using polearms all day long
>Playing a character whose only good gimmick is doing lots of damage and not actually doing any more damage than anyone else

But why? Do you get off on being useless?

>>51882337
>Hey, Revvy, we want to hit the bar tonight, and we can check out that ancient temple tomorrow and see if that mummy lord really does have the Jeweled Edge of Kazmoraz.
>YEAH THAT'S COOL, TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS YOU NEED
>I WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED AND MY UNENDING RAGE AT THIS INJUSTICE AND BURNING DESIRE FOR REVENGEANCE WAS STRONG ENOUGH TO WARP THE RULES OF NATURE AND REVIVE MY SHREDDED HUSK,
>BUT IT'S NO BIGGIE
>I CAN WAIT
>IT'S NOT LIKE I REALLY NEEEEED OR WANT TO KILL MORGAZ, THE BLACK SORROW, MAN WHO MURDERED MY ENTIRE VILLAGE AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MY HELLISH UNLIFE

>>51882373
the DPR of a dead Barbarian is zero, bro

>>51882396
>Playing a really passive-aggressive Revenant

I sorta want to do it now, even though the gimmick would stop being good after the first session.

>>51878530
>who brought my kobold stats down to effectively 2d6 instead of 3d6 because "reasons"
Elaborate

>>51882396
I look at it this way the anger and desire for vengeance are things that the revenant overcomes in the process of getting justice for their family or village or what-have-you, they earn a True Resurrection, and a second chance at life.

>>51882405
>Barbarian
>Dying

You should be the last to die, even if you throw yourself in the line of fire. This means you need to output as much damage as possible to stop your friends dying.

If the barbarian dies, you've either done your job successfully distracting the enemies or you have much, much bigger problems. You can also be a chucklefuck and get GWM+PAM+Sentinel and stop enemies 10ft away from you.

>>51882097
The small script of most spells that involve going through the planes is basically
>This is now a Planescape game, good luck

>>51882162
>muh martial die
Make a battlemaster, faggot.

>>51882435
>10 feet
Morons who insist on not packing javelins or a crossbow on barbs and paladins when exploring outside cities is my trigger

>>51882521
Move in, hit at 10ft, move away.

Javelins are a pain because they don't work well with multiattack.

Bows require dex, don't really have a load of synergy there.

It's better to use the 'dodge' action or to ready an action instead of attacking with a ranged weapon, probably, unless there are really far targets.

>>51882435
Where you gonna find a magical halberd or glaive? Those later-level monsters are gonna laugh at your magicless attacks.

>>51881938
>Dex Barbarian

Can you explain. I thought Barbarians were solely built for Strength.

The group already has 3 strength characters. So i would appreciate an elaboration.

What are good spells to use for a divination school Wizard? Kind of swarmed by the options available for a Wizard. So kind of hoping you guys can give I some suggestion.

>>51882582
Go for ones you can force fail saves on the DM.

>>51882581
Going dex instead of strength prevents you from using PAM/GWM/etc feats, but allows you to focus on dex and con.

With good dex and con, you get great AC and lots of health.

You don't get rage damage and can't use reckless attack without taking a to-hit penalty.
Your athletics is worse (Worse grapples) but...

You get better initiative, better stealth, don't need to wear disadvantage-on-stealth armour, better acrobatics/sleight of hand and dex saves (dex saves are more important than str saves)

And dex barbarian is pretty much fully rogue compatible, often recommended to multiclass into rogue at level 5, shield+rapier for maximum tanking. Though you can also do strength barbarogue with two shortswords for a grappling gimmick and more aggression.
Basically:
Dex Barbarian - Ultimate Tank
Stength Barbarian - Acknowledges they're already tanky and goes for more aggression

>>51882577
In a world where polearms are so strong, why WOULDN'T you find one?
Or you can simply attach a magical axe to the end of a pole. Wow, poleaxe, so hard.

>>51882396
Honestly an all revenant party all after the same dude would make for a pretty awesome campaign.

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>>51879619
The reason Cursebringer is like it is, is to prevent multiclass cheese.
Imagine, if you will, a Paladin multiclassed into Hexblade to get that tasty MAD GWF and a whole minute of baloney damage bonus, on top of already getting smites of their own (and maybe even being able to use Cursebringer's smite on top of that, they didn't really elaborate on that part.)
The bonus is far too much.
So you're basically sacrificing your CHA weapon and damage (which you'll get with Lifedrinker anyway later on) for a much better use of your Curse and free smites.

If a variant human bard starts with medium armor prof, can he gain heavy armor if he goes valor at level 3?

>>51882752
tpk
>don't worry guys, we'll kill the rest tomorrow

Can you imagine how terrifying a full party of revenants coming after you everyday until you die?

>>51882812
Exactly. A party with nothing to lose, 1 powerful enemy, be it a king, powerful wizard, or extraplanar entity, against the clock, and a the best possible ending is a moment of serene, triumphant satisfaction before crumbling to dust. Would DM/10.

So, are there any more metamagics that sorcerer could get or class features that could replace picking up metamagic at 10 and 17? I'll probably just rip from lore wizard something but still, would rather ask.

>>51879931
>>51882162
Just how cucked are we talking here?

>>51879170

Best bet is to go through the OSR threads

Whats the most esteemed college/place of learning in the DNDverse? I need it for background for my "professor gone mad" character

Alright /5eg/, what's your personal favorite of the various Versatile weapons?

>>51880753
Depends on what you mean by inappropriately anime. If you want high-powered stuff, try looking at the heroic variants rules in the DMG (healing surges, cleave, epic boons, etc). If you just want kitsune, there's a decent write-up on DM's guild also a really terrible one, avoid it at all costs.. If you just really just want to play something anime and you don't care about the system try Risus, OVA, or Big Eyes Small Mouth.

>>51882656
>>51882663

So for a Dex-Barbarian all you get from Rage is resistance to damage then. Seems like a waste of a core feature. I guess there's stuff you get from class features.

I guess more Dex makes your Danger Sense good. Probably take Resilient Dex and basically be immune to Dex based spell saves.

Although Reckless attack is right out the door.

I'm not sure i think it is worth it...

>>51882879
>>51882812
>>51882752
>>51882396

What would happen if a Revenant found out that his enemy was himself from the past in a bizarre time travelling accident?

>>51882928

Of all the DnD settings? Probably some extraplanar place

>>51878353
We accidentally went to the Abyss. Went through some tunnels, fought some devils (demons?) and saw giant books int he distance. We'd heard of a library there so we started going towards it, after a fight where we got help from quasits they told us to come with them, they took us to my character's patron who was like "what the fuck are you doing here?", and showed us the way out.

Got to the portal out, big devil (demon?) guy that ruled the place wanted to talk, the monk said fuck that and ran for it, the devil gave us 1 minute to run up the ruined stairs and out the portal before killing us and we barely made it with some twinned haste and rogue+monk speeds. In the astral plane we got lucky and through random rolls ended up going through a portal back to the material plane, surprising some goblins.

We also saw into the plane of fire a session before that and helped a guy who told us to visit him there if we needed anything, and rescued some party members from a cryofreeze tower in the ethereal plane.

>>51882928
The Edificant Library, the Hosttower of the Arcane, Candlekeep, Tier Breche, pretty much every region has an acclaimed school, and those are just the standard FR answers.

>>51882966

sounds like a casual play or one shot thing

>>51882806
RAW no
Ask your DM though, I'd allow it

DM is complaining combat feels slow and is thinking of making Initiative be just Dex, no roll. Because he thinks it takes way to long for initiative to be calculated.

Also, Crits are just max damage now, instead of rolling 2 sets of dice.

>>51882999
Bad DM doesn't know whats wrong so changes things arbitrarily.

>>51882999
Sounds shit. How is initiative that hard?

>>51882928
Probably the plane of some god of knowledge. Or the far realm maybe, if you can make any sense of what you are perceiving.

>>51878353

Played in a group that was slowly sliding to evil. Got sent to the positive plane for some reason I can't remember why, where we were captured by that celestial horse lady and managed to kill her using some weird sneak attack ruling until the DM made us reroll the dice. Campaign ended after that with both the DM and the more evil players convinced they could outwit each other - The DM told me the players were already being influenced by the positive powers of the plane and were inclined to stay here until they pop from all the positiveness and the eviler players thought they had a planar travel device up their sleeve if they needed to escape.

>>51883021
we do have 7 players. He just thinks it takes too long. He wants combat to be quicker.

>>51882990
It's for AL so that's a no, too bad, I wanted to make a wrestler bard

>>51883066
So resolve math and decisions faster, rolling one die and saying a number takes no time.

>>51882999
Personally I do passive initiative as well (10+initiative mod) because it allows me to jump in and out of fights seamlessly, but the crit thing is just weird

>>51882162
Perkins doesn't write the Unearthed Arcana shit. He writes adventures.

>>51882948
Quarterstaff.

>>51883110
His mentality on critting is you can actually do less damage when rolling 2 sets of dice.

>Roll natural 20
>Roll crit damage
>two 1s

>>51883088
Everytime we do Initiative we have to all roll. then he goes from person to person one at a time. When i DM i just have everyone yell it out at me.

>>51883086
Why would a wrestler need to wear heavy armor though?

>>51882663
>With good dex and con, you get great AC and lots of health.
You dont get health from dex though, and anyway, not-great AC doesnt affect barbs that much
>You don't get rage damage and can't use reckless attack without taking a to-hit penalty.
Which is why dex barb is a shitty meme
>You get better initiative
You already get that from Feral Senses
>better stealth
Low stealth can be made up for with Pass Without Trace, if your party has a ranger or druid
>don't need to wear disadvantage-on-stealth armour
Why would you be wearing armour anyway, your CON can give you AC
>better acrobatics/sleight of hand
Acrobatics, sure, but does sleight of hand come up that often, especially for barbarians?
>dex saves
danger sense
>And dex barbarian is pretty much fully rogue compatible,
so is strength barbarian because sneak attack doesn't require dex

>>51879931
Soon to be released custom race: Perklings.

>>51883148
Well, why not use max damage + damage dice? Meaning crit, instead of being, say, 2d8, is 1d8+8? It makes crits feel more than just hits that do max damage.

Is it worth multiclassing assassin with feylock for critical pseudosmite?

How does Loremaster compare to any of the other schools? Is there anything super awesome I'd be missing out on by going Loremaster?

>>51883148
>Everytime we do Initiative we have to all roll. then he goes from person to person one at a time.

That's how my group does it and it barely takes a minute. Usually when I DM I already prep an initiative sheet with the monster's initiative ahead of time so I don't spend time rolling a bunch of dice and writing down monster stuff, all I have to do is fill in the player's names.

Another thing we do is when we call on a player for their turn, we let the next person in initiative know they're coming up so when its their turn the player is ready to go instead of pausing and grinding combat to a halt because they're not ready.

>>51882999
>Also, Crits are just max damage now, instead of rolling 2 sets of dice.
max damage if you were rolling double dice, i hope?
also tell him the usual house rule is to just double the dice damage

>>51881757
>>51881815
Cheers

>>51882948
Battleaxe is best

>>51883154
Because I don't want him to get hit all the time

>>51883241
You'd miss out by not going Loremaster

>>51883241
That's the problem. Other than Portent and maybe Real Illusions, there's not really much you can't get as a Loremaster. It's almost undoubtedly the strongest Wizard school of all.

That's why I nerfed them, but changed them considerably by making the 14th level feature more "Loremaster-y": http://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/Hy-1O7Z8tl

>>51880622
Here's my idea for an undead race: http://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/ryGXp6aYg
Always in for more skellington -action.

>>51878526
You're using methods of calculating AC that don't stack with each other, as well as not choosing the pact option that makes bladelocks even a little bit usable. Also, nothing that you can do with weapons will equal what you can do with spells with those wizard X levels.

>>51883411
No need to even stack AC, Bladesinger is enough in on itself for that. I think the Monk was only for getting to use Dex with the Mace, which, combined with the ability to knock Huge or smaller creatures prone is just absolutely bonkers.

Is this fair metamagic assuming lore wizard is banned and sorcerers will get all their metamagic by 10?
>Spell Weaving
>You can change the damage type of a spell to fire, cold, lightning, or poison damage by spending one metamagic point. Can be used in concert with other metamagic.

>Greater Spell Weaving
>Requires:Level 10
>You can change the damage type of a spell to radiant, necrotic, acid, or thunder by spending one + the spell's level metamagic point(s). Can be used in concert with other metamagic.

Then level 17 give them
>Fundamental Force
>As an object interaction, pick a spell from any spell list for which you have spell slots/points for. For one minute you may cast this spell as though it were a sorcerer spell. The ability to cast this spell disappears at the end of the minute. Can be used once per long rest.

>>51883511
>>51883511
>>51883511
NEW THREAD
>>51883511
>>51883511
>>51883511

>>51883482
Why the level 10 requirement for acid?

>>51883525
Isn't acid generally better/less resisted than the first 4?

>>51882966
>Resistance to literally everything (Or resistance to physical + everyone else gets melee advantage) + advantage on strength checks + negates damage loss from reckless attack if you need advantage for sneak attack is a waste of a core feature

It's fucking +2 damage per hit you've lost if you've multiclassed into rogue
If you use a rapier, that's a loss of, what, possibly 4 damage? If you want that damgae back, you can always take a level of fighter.. Or just keep levelling up rogue for sneak attack progression.. Instead the +1 AC style would be better.

>Dex makes danger sense good
It's already fine enough. Whether or not you have dex, I don't think it matters too much with regards to danger sense.

You're missing the main point - 22 base AC.without a fighting style or magic items or even wearing armour at all.3 higher than a strength barbarian with a shield, until level 20 when you're presumably multiclassed and if they haven't they might've caught up. But you won't play to 20, probably.

What's the best way to make a low/zero gravity fight interesting? Players will be fighting in a gladiator pit in space.

>>51883194
>You don't get health from dex
I didn't say that.
Con gives you HP, and the feats you're not spending on GWM and PAM and sentinel and all that you can put into con. If you don't get those feats as a strength barbarian (not barbarogue) you're a failure.

>Which is why dex barb is shit
I don't know, reduced damage for higher AC is a perfectly fine tradeoff, especially when shields exist for that very purpose.

>You already get that from feral senses
If you get it as a level feature. If you consider the dex and feral senses to be equal to each other, then you're taking a feature to come up to par with dex barbarogue's initiative whilst dex barbarogue is getting cunning action. Also, if for some reason you decided to be a pure dex barbarogue (Why? ) feral senses and higher dex does stack.

>Low stealth can be made up for with..
Yes, if you do have one of those classes or shadow monk. Otherwise, not as much. Or your team might be incompetent and didn't take it / decides no to use it. Or, even with the +10 to stealth, you still fuck up. Pass without trace isn't a gauranteed success, just makes having low stealth less of a problem, though that's pretty much what you said.

>Does sleight of hand come up that often?
I don't find it common the first place, but you're presumably going to be some barbarian-rogue hybrid, so you can ask, 'does the rogue need sleight of hand'? Answer: Possibly?

>danger sense
Doesn't gaurantee success at all.