/STG/ - Star Trek General

Anyone know anywhere I can download SSD books for SFB? I've got a game with my Tholians coming up next week, and I really can't find the box with all my R modules in.

>>51677006
I don't play SFB but is this what you're looking for?

http://www.jgray-sfb.com/shipyard.html

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>>51678041
Beep beep, superior ship coming through.

>>51678087
The only true Warbird, tbphwy.

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So what ship do you want to end up on? Where would you want to end up, in the Star Trek universe.

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>>51679004
Excelssior.

>>51679004
Assuming the purported Borg war for which it was reactivated never comes, a formerly mothballed Enterprise class. A century later and it's still the most graceful ship in the fleet.

>>51679004
One designed and built after the Dominion War. I would prefer to work on a ship where the designers were more concerned with the crew surviving over crew comfort. I'm old fashioned like that.

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Ha ha, it's time for Feddie Birds of Prey!

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Holy shit, someone actually made a new thread before the old one died?
That has to be a first for us.

>>51679004

Defiant class

Anyone happen to know how to derive point costs for ACTA:SF?

>>51680200
It's only been 3 threads anon. It just so happens that the previous ones weren't made by me.

>>51679239
Enterprise Class?

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>>51680545
Constitution Refit. Well, technically not even that since the old Constitution had at least 2 refits already by that point.

I think it's assumed that several ships were build keel-up to the new standard set by Enterprise's refit, at least until the Excelsior finally proved itself as a successor vessel. There's not really anything else that fills the heavy cruiser role that we know of officially or even semi-officially in that time span either so there's certainly a logic to it.

>>51680610
Miranda's are only slightly smaller and nearly the same weapons fit, that's pretty heavy cruisery to me.

>>51679004
>Miranda
>get murdered in the vacuum of space by some random happenstance
>comfy as fuck

>>51679063
One thing that bugs me about that model is it's nacelles. Why are upper sections grey?

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>>51680743
I guess they could count but they don't really seem fit for the same deep space exploration role of the Constitutions.

>>51682539
>>51680743
The Miranda is more of a multi-mission platform than a dedicated cruiser.

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I forgot the retards come out to play on weekends.

>>51683816
>not parking yourself in front of the gate to handle spawns
You're just as much at fault. Don't queue if you're not willing to carry retards.

>>51679004
I'd prefer to stay on earth honestly. But if I have to be on a Starfleet ship, I'd want something big like a Galaxy or Sovereign. Where the captain won't know my name.

>>51679004
Assuming plot armor applies and I'm not killed in the initial Caretaker shenanigans? Voyager.

Otherwise I'd like a post-Dominion War Excelsior class posting.
>classy as fuck
>modern gear and accommodations if we go by the Hood, Lakota, and Malinche from DS9, not even counting post-Endgame powerups
>get to meet admirals and see much of the federation

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Is the new fed carrier in STO any good i have my life time stipend saved up from when i stopped playing a year ago and i thought about getting it?

>>51687893
Well, it's the only Feddie carrier in existence (the flying cat dig doesn't count) and it has frigate pets available.
So if you like carriers, then might as well go for it.
I'll just dig up its stats for you first.

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Jupiter_Class_Carrier

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Gotta say, the Hestia is fun if only for the kitbashing possibilities.

>>51687973
>flying cat dig
?

>>51688521
meant to say dick, dunno why my brain short circuited.

>>51688527
That doesn't clarify things hugely. Which Freddie ship looks like a cat dick? And why do you know what that looks like?

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>>51688701
I hope an image clarifies things.

>>51688724
Oh and why do i call it cat dick specifically is because it's built by Caitians, the cat people.

>>51688724
>>51688740
Well that certainly makes more sense now.

Is there a Star Trek game that lets you build your own ship?

>>51690058
There's Ship Creator. But I'd hardly call that a game.

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>>51688485
akira has great kitbash potential as well

>>51690765
So long as I get to create reasonably proper looking star ships in the manner of the Frankenstein Fleet I will consider it "fun" or at least as close to fun as my depression is allowing me at the moment.

There is just something oddly enticing about the story of a mad runaway Star Fleet engineer being given free run on the junk yard, lashing together an abomination of a ship and fucking around the galaxy.

Having a game or something close to a game that lets me build the ship is halfway there. I can write the story of getting banned from Argo and other misadventures later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH8lvwXx_Y8

>>51690830
...eww.

Ruined it.

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>>51690765
>Star Trek: Starship Creator

Wasn't that one of the worst 'games' ever made? (up until recent years flooded the market with more broken, awful shit than on the Atari 2600 and NES combined) And doesn't even think of running on modern systems?

Would genuinely recommend playing something like Galactic Civilisations 2 and building ships out of basically lego over that. Or one of those construction/survival games like Empyrion or Space Engineers. Or (if I can find the address) a website that has a bunch of ship parts that you can jam together in paint to make-your-own pictures.

>>51690892
why?

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>>51676810
The sum of all talent in starfleet, KDF and Romulan flotilla.

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>>51691070
Looks like it's been squished and warped in ways that just don't work, the engines look like they're mounted at a weird angle for no reason and being swept forward instead of back just ruins the lines on it.

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Bumping with a fresh ship pic.

>>51694158
Nice, but for real, why the grey on the upper nacelle cowling

>>51694158
I never got why the Excelsior has that big bit of open hull on the underside. Seriously, should be used for cargo bays at least or a massive hangar.

>>51694206
I have no fucking clue.
I actually changed the hull materials to brighter white ones that didn't seem to have any grey shit on them, i also turned off any and all patterns on the hull.

>>51694253
Beats me, maybe it was left there in case any later refit added some modular parts there.

>>51677218
Not quite, thanks anyway. Fortunately, I've found them!

>>51679654

This just looks like someone flattened a Miranda.

>>51695339
>onboard miranda class
>just finished thwarting Nak'hul plot to fuck up the past/present, again
>Temporal agent who helped us is demonstrating the timeywimey magic that can be done even with present day technology
>Turns out they're a fucking temporal recruit, incompetent as shit because the TIC is desperate for new agents
>Instead of being quantum entangled with his own ship, we get linked to some shitty plastic model at the Federation ASDB
>model gets knocked off table
>ship suddenly inverts itself, inertial dampeners struggle to compensate
>model gets stood on
>all hands lost

memeing aside, it DOES look like actual ass

>>51694253
Because it looks cool. But seriously it could be used as a mount point for external cargo modules in cases where capacity trumps speed.

>>51694253
I always thought it was an acilliary shuttle bay or weapons array.

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What are Hugh and his buddies up to these days? We haven't we seen them in anything?

>>51697964
Probably got Janewayed, their bodies left to rot on some unnamed rock.

>>51697964
In STO the form a separate Borg nation, called the cooperative, that has pretty nebulous and arbitrary goals.

>>51698335
I thought the cooperative was originally the group that tried to fugg Chakotay?

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>>51698547
Your first interaction with them, during the first of those infuriating "go patrol 4 random systems" has you come face to face with Hugh and that a-typical borg ship(pic related). So I presume they were eventually found and incorporated.

>>51697964
I wonder if they could have actually managed to get some help from the Feds. I mean, they were caused by Star Fleet. But then Star Fleet also helped fix their shit. Though wrecked their one ship in the process. Seems like the kinda thing where they'd really want an envoy there to keep an eye on them and hopefully help them to not go batshit insane. Hell for all we know Star Fleet could have really quickly refined it's de-assimilation practices in 'fixing' the borg. If they wanted it anyway.

>>51698335
I'll be damned, I guess he does show up there. I haven't run into him yet.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/The_Cooperative

>>51698940
It's not a major story element, to be fair

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>>51698335
Well, what the fuck would you do? If you were just regular joe blow from the 24th century and then you were abducted by aliens and turned into a cyborg against your will. Then later you as a group got your individual selves back. What you have become is reviled by other races, by this point you know you can't go back o who you were, and you have insanely advanced knowledge and tech at your finger tips. What would you do, /stg/?

>>51700270
Take over a space station and fill it with drones and traps so I can peterpan across a lake of plasma while Federation and KDF assault teams play timed push-button mini-games with the shield generators in the room.

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Just saw this posted in the /co/ trek thread.
>TFW I'm really REALLY annoyed by this development. If you don't why read the title of the picture. WHY?! why would they do that you don't fuck with an iconic look you have made since the first Star Trek movie and reinforced ever since. FUCK NUTREK I HATE THEIR SHIT!

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>>51701954
>don't look like TOS klinks
>don't look like 1979-2004 klinks
>don't even look like JJTrek klinks
RIP in pieces Star Trek 1966-2017

>>51701954
What the fuck? This better be a fucking trick.

>>51701954
Yeah, I call bullshit.

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>>51701954
It does look like they're from STD. I have my doubts about them being Klingons. The evidence is shaky at best.
http://www.treknews.net/2017/02/11/first-look-star-trek-discovery-klingons/

>>51701954
Wait, what would they look like with hair?

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>>51702393
>>51702358
My response

>>51700270
Assimilate cute puppers to be cyborg's best friend

>>51701954
Why the fuck does everybody want to redesign the Klingons. Besides the Vulcans theyre the most iconic Trek species. You want them to be instantly recognisable.

>>51700270
Put on a skin-tight body suit and tsundere my way through the neophyte crew of a Starfleet science vessel, obviously.

>>51702515
>>51701954

Apparently the dude that posted the picture said later that those aren't actually Klingons.

>>51705646
>My Little Borg Drone Can't Be This Busty
An anime version of Voyager would honestly have been a lot more forgiveable.

>>51706944
Would certainly save on some of the production costs

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>>51706944

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>>51706944
>Anime Trek
Can't wait for the episode where a transporter malfunction turns all the male members of the away team into girls.

>>51708636
I'm honestly surprised that never happened in a regular Star Trek episode. We even had a "the adults are children now, watch their silly hijinks as they save the day!" episode.

>>51709154
Genderswapping is (rightly) a fairly uncommon thing in western sci-fi/animation.

>>51709154
We had Quark with a sex change. That was a horrific enough episode.

>>51710330
Never forgetti

>>51683795
That being said, it's kind of a war machine of its time. Sometimes it's classified as a destroyer, which makes sense: fore and aft torpeedos, phaser cannons, and almost as many phaser banks as a Connie.

Send the Connie out to find new things, study and protect what you have with Starfleet's "light cruiser" weapons platform saucer.

>>51713976
Compared to to the Connie, the Miranda is a weapons platform.

Are any of these shitty-looking phone games worth playing?

>>51676810
Do Modiphius' playtest rules not include character generation?

>>51716361
As it stands, no, I haven't seen any chargen.

We need more Modiphius leaks. There has to be more out by now.

>>51717794
Well I confess to feeling a little betrayed, then, by the anons who recommended it to me as the best current option for running a Star Trek RPG.

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>>51679004
An intrepid class. Voyager preferably. its sleek as hell. Honestly, i would have loved to see a nuBSG style voyager.. where shit matters and the ship slowly gets ground down and repaired with local materials and stuff.

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>>51679004
I've taken a liking to my stealth space squid. Zooming around cloaked, collecting intel on the baddies, conducting hit & runs behind enemy lines.

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>>51679004
Can't go wrong with the classics.

>>51719401
Too bad the only hull materials you can get without paying range from mid range gray to near black, without the white of the films.

>>51719357
Doesn't hurt that the DPS stands up to nearly anything in the game.

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>>51719478
>paying
>in the Federation

>>51719725
I bought my Connie used from a Mirror universe Ferengi. It was a literal fire sale.

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>>51719486
I bought it because I liked the idea of the intel ships. I hated the way it looked then, but now it's one of my favorite parts.

>>51719889

I always liked it better with the Phantom nacelles myself.

>>51719357
>>51719478
>>51719889
>>51720009
>>51719486
You fucking mongs, this is /tg/ not /v/. The question was which ship you'd want to be on in the Trek universe, not which space pixels you forked over your daddy's credit card to pay for.

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>>51720009
The ugly stubby ones? I'd rather give it the Scryer's nacelles, but I don't feel like grinding or paying for it just for that.

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>>51679004
>Prometheus Class
I think I'd like to be part of one of the secondary crews when they spilt the ship apart. During downtime I'd hang out with my holo waifu which I created to pass the time with.

>>51717822
1.36 is still latest for the rules, and 1.1 for the starships. There's also the five starter adventures (one for everyone, and one per different ship).

That's it. I think every update requires to be checked by CBS, so it takes forever to put up a new version.

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>>51720071
>he thinks this isn't /stog/
Cute kid.

So, seeing as new Romulan ship has nacelles and a warp ring, which is actually better? What are the benefits of one over another?

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>>51723147
This one, I mean.

>>51723147
It's all looks anon. If anyone tells you otherwise it's all fanon wank and all made up there have never been a canon source that ever tells us why shit is the way it is. All the manual stuff is all BS and can be conflicting with other sources.

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Should i?

>>51723422
Excelsior ftw.

>>51708636
sooo what anime is this

>>51723170
Actually, that's not true. One of the books involving alternate universes has the Enterprise being hunted by an evil Vulcan Empire ring ship, and they get away by being able to turn at warp way better than the ship with a ring engine.

>>51724601
Pani Poni Dash.

Man, wouldn't it be great of these thread were ever actually about tabletop gaming, instead of just /tv/ and /v/ shitposting that's litetally only on this board because you dumbasses are too lazy to click on the links to other boards?

>>51725055
What would really be great would be if newfags like you learnt about the ability to hide threads you don't want to see.

>>51725400
Dude's right though, there's fuck all /tg/ in these threads. Occasionally we get a bit of SFB or setting crafting chat but for the most part, nothing.

Been here since these threads started getting made, tried getting /tg/ chat going pretty much every thread but it's like pulling teeth due to no-one actually playing anything.

>>51725954
On the bright side we've come up with some weird shit

>>51725954
When I post stuff, it's in the context of flavor for my games. Temporal Cold War shenanigans + the events of First Contact = Enterprise. We need ships to fight the Borg? Old mothballed 2290s vintage fleets. What, do you want greentext of my group accidentally releasing a libido enhancing virus on to DS9 and the ensuing panicked fleeing from Odo?

>>51727733
Not that guy, but I wouldn't mind a little bit of Storytiem.

>>51725954
We're kind of at a stand still until the new game comes out. Nobody wants to play a 30 year-old game.

>>51725954
Speaking of SFB, I've been looking at it lately and part of me is really, really tempted to try to make an unofficial version that's actually, y'know, playable. Still on the fence about the amount of time I could/want to invest in such an undertaking though.

>>51701954
This reminds me of FASA's explanation of Klingons. Where the Klingon Empire would engineer soldiers with the traits of their intended opponent. So TOS Klingons were just Klingons with human traits. So then the Empire had similar groups to deal with the Romulans, Gorn, etc.

>>51728120
Fair enough.

>Early Season 7 of DS9
>Players are smugglers/traders hired by Quark to carry certain cargoes to the station when Quark needs a more legitimate options
>Crew is a Human, Vulcan female (this is important), Andorian and a Trill
>Contacted by Quark and hired to carry what the players (and Quark, but they don't know this, and assume he's in on it) are told is a shipment of real live Terran alcohol, in bottles and cans
>In fact, said alcohol is just camouflage for a banned substance that initiates Pon Farr in Vulcans, and trebles the sex drive of just about every Humanoid species bar Ferengi and Andorians
>To make matters worse, Quark, bizarrely taking advice from Bashir and O'Brien, is hosting a lounge singing festival, with all sorts of singers and groups arriving, with Quark falling in lust/love with the headline act
>Because my players are philistines and I'm lazy, it's basically Christina Hendricks playing Jessica Rabbit
>Players arrive at the station and deliver their cargo, accidentally mixing the false drinks in with the real ones
>Everyone's partying and having a good time, and the players become confused because they keep passing Morn right after his punchlines, and never get to hear him speak
>cont.

>>51724972
>books
Still fanon wank.

>>51729058
Sorry for the wait, had a phone call.

>Players first notice something when a series of bizarre events happen
>First, Bashir gets lucky with a visiting Klingon warrior woman, being dragged off for what the players presume is fatal snu snu
>Next, Keiko O'Brien comes in and is a decent human being to Miles, and they spend a nice evening together in the bar
>Thirdly, and the one that got me a swath of dirty looks, Dame Anya Norrington (Hendricks), goes home with Quark, who uncharacteristically leaves the bar in the hands of a subordinate
>The night ends with everyone going back to their quarters/ship
>The next day, the party begins to realize quite a lot of people are hooking up, even people who hadn't had any of the Terran drinks the previous night
>Over the course of the day, the Station's order breaks down as everyone becomes waaaay too into PG-13 action for TV
>The issue comes to Odo's attention when Kira comes to his quarters in negligee, and all of his deputies are too busy screwing to actually work
>Backtracking the start of the issue, Odo boards the party's ship in an attempt to find out what the hell is wrong with them, only to discover the party have forcibly barricaded their Vulcan crewmember into the crew space because of Pon Farr
>cont.

>>51729639
>Odo drags the players out, but of the crew, only the Andorian is really focused, with the Trill and Human slowly succumbing to the virus
>Deciding the best option is to hole up in medbay, the Andorian and Odo whip a suitable Treknobabble fixit after locking up the Human and Trill in an isolation ward, but realize the only way to get it into the station's air supply is through Ops
>What follows is a vent maze that would make Half Life blush, culminating in a sequence where Odo has to fight off a few dozen Cardassian voles to allow the Andorian to get into Ops and deliver the cure to the computer
>The Andorian discovers they don't have access to the computer for obvious reasons, but a timely appearance by Worf and Captain Sisko in the Defiant, utterly confused by what's going on allows the cure to be distributed
>During clean up, the Crew's smuggling connections with Quark are discovered, and they're forced to bail from the station at high warp while running from an incensed Odo and Kira

And that's how I made a sex story without any sex in it.

>>51728120

I'll post some summaries of my fleet's RP adventures if anyone would like to read 'em.

here's a fleet timeline that's mostly up to date:

http://22ndmobile.wikia.com/wiki/Fleet_Timeline

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>>51720071
>being this buttblasted
>being enough of a newfag to think that this isn't just /stog/ with the occasional homebrew

>>51676810
What is your favourite species? Mine is the Romulans, and the Borg, as well as the Humans.

>>51679004
Promethus or Galaxy. I'd like to be on a Romulan Warbird, or maybe a Defiant as well.

>>51729526
Only counting A-canon, eh? Fine, but your campaigns will all be dull as shit. Even worse, that means no delicious Andorian futas.

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So I have 2 Kanar bottles, one is Damar sized.

I was thinking of selling them. I wonder if there is a market.

Soda bottle for scale.

>>51732587
Oh fuck just stop. That anon and you can have whatever the fuck kind of shit in their stupid Trek setting they want. It is just if it wasn't from a TV/Movie thing it don't mean shit. The ability of different ships are really just arbitrary as fuck. Whatever the writers wanted for that episode was canon for that show at that moment. So all the books, manuals, rpgs and video games don't mean have any bearing on the setting as far as being canon and as far as CBS the owners of the property are concerned is all fan wank. It can be fun or awful but there you go.

>>51733708
>Damar Sized
Jesus, that left one is the SIZE OF FUCKING CORAT DAMAR.

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>reee this cardassian hologram is designed after an evil guy but we should mete out punishment to this hologram and treat him as if he were the real person

what the fuck is this episode of voyager

>>51735467
Eh, that wasn't the important part. The important part was how we should never use any kind of chemotherapy to treat cancer, because it originated in Mengele's experiments.

>>51733780
So we shouldn't come up with our own ideas, intended for our own enjoyment, because that wouldn't be canon. Got it.

>>51735467
Oh that is far from the silliest shit you're gonna experience in Voyager.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZhy6IC9iFs&t=20s

i need more blooper reels

>>51736844
No, but you shouldn't pass off an explanation pulled out of someone's butt (ie, 99% of Trek lit) as meaningful, especially on /tg/. Follow the chain of the conversation, and you'll see it's not someone (probably you, by your butthurt tone, but let's not assume that, since I know that there's at least some regular(s) to these threads that gets all in a huff about >restrictive canon) suggested a book as a canon source for some explanation on a thing that was never explained in the shows, let alone any non-canonical tech manuals, etc. It's one thing to use some fanwank for your game (best if it's your own, but inspiration is just fine) to spice it up or whatever, but to go "NUH UH!" when someone says something isn't canon, when it in fact isn't, is another thing.

>>51737955
Your tone has been consistently one of derision. Referring to Beta Canon as Fan-Wank is a tad excessive, no? And that sort tone often shuts down the discussion before it begins.

Because if we just wanted to know the canon explanation then memory alpha is right there. I would argue that the best thing to come of of these threads has been interesting expanded information that the canon is unlikely to cover. (For instance, a timeline for the Earth Romulan War, the Evolution of the Klingon state off-screen, as well as collating throwaway lines to create a more complete image of the Bolians as a race and culture.)

So when you answer a question with >>51723170 that's not what we're about or, i suspect, what that anon was looking for. I want to hear peoples "fan-wank" ideas because, if or until alpha canon covers it, that's all we've really got.

Maybe those ideas get used in a game or maybe they just stay ideas, but at least we get to talk about something related to worldbuilding, rather than which of STO's new money-sinks looks the nicest.

tl;dr

>>51738173
But the problem is that if we try to answer any anons questions that have been addressed in a show. All the beta info can and is very conflicting. I like the ships and you can get stats from any source you want but unless you put it in a more narrowed context. We are all just spinning our wheels really. I think if we can site like STO or something similar it could have more weight to the info but it's still just a beta source.

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>>51739200
I'd rather not cite STO on the grounds of it being shit.

>>51737577
Ask and ye shall receive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMX9ZAD_h3g

Made better by the fact that they probably had to mentally train themselves to expect the doors to open at the right time, only to be betrayed.

>>51739200
I feel it's better that we do our own thing and try and incorporate good ideas where we find them. Otherwise this really would just be /stog/

>>51723147
According to the Rise of the Federation novels, the warp ring gives you a lot of power, but it also consumes an immense amount of power.

The outrigger nacelle design is a somewhat "weaker" warp bubble, but far more efficient in terms of power usage.

(If you're curious, inbuilt warp drives, like on an Andorian or Ferengi ship, allow for better protection, but at the cost of a weak warp bubble, i.e., slower ships).

Outrigger nacelles give you the best all-around result for efficiency and speed, which is why the nascent Federation adopted the Cochrane outrigger nacelle design over that of Vulcan warp rings or Andorian inbuilt drives.

Romulan ships might be able to get over the power issue of warp rings via their overpowered singularity drives, but the trade-off there (with singularity drives in general) is a much higher engineering requirement. You need more engineers working more, more maintenance, and of course if something goes wrong you all get swallowed by a black hole.

>>51740330

Not to mention there is no turning it off, or shutting it down, you have to eject it.

>>51740352
Yeah, that too.

ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SUBJECT
Anyone here, who plays STO, and has a 23rd Century captain, ever imagine them ranting about various things in the 25th century?

>"Why do your phaser "pistols" look like hand vacuums?"
>"Why does nothing have a physical button anymore?"
>"Wait, Warp 10 is "infinite speed"? That's stupid. This scale makes no sense."
>"LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT JIM KIRK."

>>51739307
As an owner of an STO lifetime account since closed beta, and massive whale who bought the 100+ dollarydoo science ship pack the day it came out last week and has already earned all 3 of the new traits on his main; you are so right it hurts.

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Starfleet's busy, post ships.

>>51740330
I always figured the opposite. Ring drives are like a combustion engine, sturdy, reliable, but underpowered.
Linear drives are like gas turbines. Stupid amounts of power, but massive component wear and high life cycle costs.
This is why Vulcans build ring ships, they need ships to last hundreds of years, and don't really give a fuck about getting around quickly.
On the other hand,
>humans

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>>51742824
Imagine living on one of these things.

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>>51743123
And here's the ship that gets to drag the fucker around at warp speed.

So why are Vulcans such dicks? Presumably it's logical not to antagonise your allies.

>>51744497
Vulcans and logic is like Klingons and honour. The more you look at it the more it's just empty words they throw around to justify their own flavor of asshole. It's like the Federation being enlightened. It's just empty words.

>>51740409
I imagine that all the time.

My "main" character is a crusty old curmudgeon vulcan. Call me autistic but I like to make little stories for my Captain and his delinquent crew not quite but mostly analogous to whats going on in the game proper.

He is racist as fuck about Klingons and will never, ever, ever trust them. He did not get transported by Daniels from the 23c to 25c. He came by the long road. Is kept posted out in the arse end of nowhere because he refuses to do shit like update his uniform from Kirk era.

Star Fleet affords it's captains much leeway in terms of hiring outsiders. Subsequently the overwhelmingly vast majority of the crew is "civilians".

He remembers the old days. These new of officers are not Star Fleet. So far as he can tell he is the last real officer worthy of the uniform.

>>51744497
In Enterprise I believe it was a combination of losing/not following Surak's teachings, and Romulan interference. Lots of the latter.

>>51740409
>"LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT JIM KIRK."
Must be weird as hell hearing that the same guy who gets talked up as the near-mystical hero of the federation is somehow the same guy who held up your cago haul for a week because he told off some romulans and spend a week getting towed back to starbase.

>Wow, Kirk hand his crew got up to all kinds of wacky hijinks didn't they!
>Son, I once made an emergency warp jump to get some evacuees away from Orion slavers and spent the next week in the same 6 hour period of 2024 before we figured out how to repair our engines before the time loop would reset.
>When I got back the ship was impounded for three months by temporal investigations and I received a five year probation because I called my own distant ancestor an old fart over IRC while we were there.

Has anyone tried this Star Trek Timelines game that facebook keeps bugging me about? It looks kinda terrible so I'm afraid to try it.

>>51746954
Tried it a while back. Turns into a grind fest pretty quickly.

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I really like the design on this one, though I'm not really familiar with it, canon-wise

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>>51747178

Alternate view

>>51747178
Pretty sure that's a representation of the lower hull of the Sovereign class after saucer separation.

>>51747221

The top view didn't give me that impression. It seems to have the windows, bridge, etc of a full ship...

...but I'm more of an OS guy and didn't watch much of TNG. I found the pic on a site selling star trek minis and they called it the "Javelin", but I haven't found any real canon information on one.

>>51747178
>>51747196

That's not bad at all.

>>51747221
Not quite matching the right lines for that, but it would make sense if it were a Sovereign with much cut down saucer section. Reminds me of the SFB 'Fast' ships

>>51732587
>Andorian futa
Wat

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>>51742824
I only managed the top view before I got bored.
I call it the Tiberius class, Like an NX refit got railed by a Miranda.

>>51746954
Extremely grindy and very P2W. You won't get anywhere even in the story without grinding out your high-rarity characters. Gameplay is OK in the 1P card game sort of way, not nearly as bad as I would have thought. If you're not going to pony up at least the $5 for a month sub (which gets you daily dil, enough for a weekly premium booster), I wouldn't even bother, since you won't get the characters you'll need to do anything at all with F2P.

>>51748298
I think the engines need to be bumped forwards a bit, to the point that the tips are located about the point where the extra hull stuff starts at the back of the saucer or perhaps even as far up as the tips being about level with where the saucer bulks out. Would look more balanced that way, less trailing length out the back from the engines which is leaving it very front-heavy looking currently.

>>51746439
> TFW Captain Frasier is saying all this about Kirk.
Then the motherfucker walks right into the out of time people support and picks up a donut.
>TFW I thought you were dead.
>Kirk: I got better
You know I really want to throw some of these novel writers out of a window sometimes.

one day i want to make a star trek vidya gaem

i wonder how much it'd cost to obtain the license

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>>51750176
>Captain Frasier
?

>>51748055
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Andorian_genders

Basically, the two male sexes each fertilize the same female, who then transfers the fertilized egg (embryo) to the other female sex. I.E., the futa has sex with the two dudes, then fucks the egg via ovipositor into the chick.

>>51748055
You had to ask, didn't you?

>>51752574
wow Andorians are the best at everything

>>51752574
>People living on one of the most hostile planet
>Device one of the most complicated methods of reproduction

How do i into evolution?

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>>51753392
>How do i into evolution?
Be a fag-enabling fanfic writer that takes an obscure line about alien wedding practices and assume you need to have one marriage per set and one unique gender per individual. And then keep it up once canon btfo of your fetish crap.

>>51753392
>>51753752
While I tend to agree, I must admit that I wish someone had saved the work that geneticist did in the early threads to try and create a chromosomal mix that would require 4 genders to function. That was impressive dedication.

Does anyone know a good place to get Star Trek Bridge Commander?

And would it work on Windows 10?

>>51754726
Does it fall under the title of "abandonware"? I have the disk and I'm sure I could make an .iso file with relative ease but I'd rather not get assfucked by EU copyright laws.

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>>51754162
https://warosu.org/tg/thread/S48957183#p48978888

/tg/ has automated archives for reasons.

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Costume sale is on, get yourself something fashionable!

>>51756538
>ship sale
>new T6 Vestas and equivalent for other races
>costume sale
I swear, are the devs LARPing Ferengi right now?

>>51756538
>sale
>20% off
I bet you're one of those people who bought Civ 6 because Steam relentlessly has it for 10% off.

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>>51756877
But anon, 20% off is such a reasonable price cut! Just think of the poor coder who worked hard and tirelessly on all of those pixels, weaving and sewing the greatest costumes one can see!
Also they are account unlocks.

>>51757041
The only shit I'd pay for is in the lobi store at this point, or the fleet store for the Odyssey Dress uniform. And that's only because the WoK extras don't come with the coat.

>>51757062
>The only shit I'd pay for is in the lobi store at this point
This.
Lobi store sale when?

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>>51757282
>Lobi store sale
>Getting free lobi ever again

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Help, I'm underpowered and have no torpedoes.

>>51757715
Or engineering section. or warp core.

>>51757937
Probably just dumped in to the aft section of the saucer. It'd have to be much less powerful but then I suspect that ship is nothing more than a patrol ship.

>>51742824
I kind of dislike how common underslung nacelles have become. I miss when nacelles poked out over the saucer section.

>>51753392
I actually once wrote up a potential reasoning for it, tying in to the fact that despite the fact that Andor seems to be a frozen world, Andorians can survive for days temperature highs that would kill humans in minutes.

>>51758178
>I kind of dislike how common underslung nacelles have become. I miss when nacelles poked out over the saucer section.
Assuming it's a clone of the Baker, that design is over 30 years old. I've had that picture since 2003.

>>51758199
Underslung nacelles go back at least to the Miranda. I'm not saying that any one use of them bothers me; it's just the modern proliferation. That picture just reminded me of my dislike of the trend.

Big tall nacelles. That's what I want.

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>>51758373
I've got just the thing.

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>>51758416
Or this.

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>>51758429
Or if you want something ultra modern...

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>>51758416
Nacelles. Plural.

Everyone else may have forgotten the rules, BUT I HAVEN'T.

Actually in truth if I could have anything, it'd be the Paladin-class, but "refit" in the manner of the NX to have a secondary hull. That'd be a pretty boss 26th-century starship design, and a starship I'd love to fly around and explore the Galaxy in.

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>>51758373
Funny enough, the only reason why the Miranda has underslung nacelles is because they looked at the concept art upside-down.

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>>51758512
MORE NACELLES!

>>51758512
Maaaan, FUCK yo Paladin. If you don't run that ship as a Ranger, then you have NO taste in ships. The Ranger is GORGEOUS. I'd STILL be running it if it weren't for my shiny new old T6 Connie.

>>51758516

I honestly can't decide if I like that thing or hate it.

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>>51758469
That's almost ok, needs lowering the nacelles down.

>>51758539
That's not too bad.

>>51758416
>>51758429
Truely Why.jpg tier.

>>51758373
Even earlier, goes back to the Saladin.

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>>51758766
I've also got a pseudo Sovereign for the TOS era.

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>>51758753
I like it but I think doubling up on the torpedo pods is a bit excessive, would prefer a split torpedo/other equipment module. Like maybe one of those phaser cannon things the Miranda has going on.

Problem is though it adds nothing in capability over a regular Miranda except more torpedo bays. Which isn't all that great since for the era, two is enough.

>>51758790
Reminds me of the SFM Valley Forge class but with a less nice saucer but a much thicker neck, which is something I do like, never been a fan of the spindly connection the original Constitution has.

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Thinking of the Star Fleet Museum, has anyone ever encountered game stats for them for... well, anything? I'd even take a look at SFB ones if someone tried to port them there. Or RPGs.

>>51758766
Sucks that anyone that tries to use the Franz Joseph designs get kicked in the nuts by ADB. Its a very strange and somehow charming design.

>>51760196

>THICC

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>>51761074
>thick
FTFY.

>>51760498
Yeah, especially the Federation. I like that triple-engine'd fat lump.

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>>51762013
Those models are pure sex, but the lack of scale disturbs me.

>>51762154
They're great. The scale issue is, that NX class is about a third the length of the Galaxy, which is about as long as that sphere, which are both about half the length of that D'Deridex.

>>51761175
I wonder how bad you need to fuck up to end up serving on a dedicated cargo hauler.

>>51762964
Same guy, also, the Miranda is about the same length as the NX.

>>51762969
No different from serving on a support ship in a real life Navy. It's just a post, you do your job and get transferred to a new one. In a way it can actually be better than serving on a massive cruiser, because there's a lot more room for junior officers to get shit done in an interesting and fulfilling job instead of being assigned as a dedicated conduit scrubber on a Constitution-class ship. Big fish in a small pond mentality.

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>>51763200
It's probably better than a patrol/picket ship posting those are the most likely to suck. Since you want boredom and it will be as dull as shit looking at the same nebula for the 20th time. And then shear terror when something bad really does happen in your space like a Borg cube flies by or an invasion fleet passes through your sector. Or even more undescribable strange shit goes down.

anyone have that webM of a pilot ship going like 2100 impulse speed?

Holy shit, Kobali Prime is the worst thing I've ever suffered through in this game. Please tell me the things they made after this shitshow are better.

>>51765944
Everything is better than Kobali Prime. And yeah, it's awful. My three characters' reactions to the Kobali, on learning what they're doing to the Vaadwuar:

>ROMULAN COMMANDER TRAJA AELHIH
"Tovan, if I die in this quadrant, VAPORIZE MY BODY. In fact, that will be the standing order for all members of the crew for our stay in the Delta Quadrant."

>FERASAN MARAUDER HSAKKU
"The only reason I have not reduced this planet's crust to molten slag is out of respect for the Vaadwuar that can still be returned to their people."

>23c FEDERATION CAPTAIN EVELYN MEDINA
"General, we have destroyed most samples of the anti-Kobali virus. The remaining intact samples are aboard the Hispaniola. They are being loaded into torpedoes. If I hear of a SINGLE Vaadwuar being raised from the dead, if I even SUSPECT you are still desecrating the corpses of the Vaadwuar dead or doing anything in your Temple other than devoting all of its power to maintaining the intact stasis pods until such time as the Vaadwuar inside can be awoken and returned to their people, then I will detonate those torpedoes in the planet's atmosphere and figure out how to write "vacant" in Vaadwuari so I can hang a sign that says that from this city's tallest tower. Your right to exist does not give you the right to force yourself onto another species - not even the dead of another species. Am I clear?"

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>>51765944

Emergency power to thread integrity field!

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>>51767207
That must have been the weirdest damn thing to act.

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>>51758539
Did someone say NACELLES?!

>>51767414
Friends don't like friends MVAM.

>>51767414
Starfleet, no. Starfleet, stahp.

>>51767243
There's a reason why so many Trek actors come from Shakespearean theater backgrounds: They can do some ridiculous sounding and looking shit and be completely into it.

>>51767243
>>51767207
Ok if they just do one JUST ONE thing right on the new series is that the sets are built on shake tables to get all the bouncing around correct.

>>51765944
i forgot about Delta Risings MORAL CHOICES!
Cryptic forgot that such choices don't mean shit if it's railroaded and you can't refuse to help.
the other MORAL CHOICE i can remember is where you can only save one group of neelixpeople, but they're the same duplicated group of generic NPCs

>>51768224
Shakespearean Theater should be a requirement for a starship captain, this is why Bakula sucked so much.

>>51767414
WE WONT NEED STABLE WARP GEOMETRY WHERE WE'RE GOING, BOY!

>>51768328
Bakula didn't suck so much as the general thrust of his character, which was Deputy Chief Judge Fish in charge of the NX-01. Had they made Archer consistent, Bakula would have had more to work with, rather than falling back on "Well, it's Quantum Leap all over again." Except this time every episode had him as a retard.

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>>51768328
>>51768369
i get why people hated Bakula but i liked him it felt a little more normal than the "weird hippie commune" feel that Picard or Kirk era Star Trek had.
Just like the Vulcans in Ent with there emotions still just under the surface it felt like he was still getting his grips on meeting other races and finding out about the galactic culture as a whole and dealing with no prim directive.
But then again i kinda have weird tastes some of my favorite episodes of TNG are seasons 1 and 2 i still hated Voyager though

>>51767414

Holy fuck. I might owe Cryptic's ship design team an apology.

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>>51769640

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>>51768958
Enterprise is, unironically, my favorite Star Trek series, bar none. Which I think is why I've tolerated the Kelvin timeline as much as I have, in particular Star Trek Beyond.

I was actually turning into Krall, in mindset if nothing else...that Enterprise was cancelled was bad enough, what got to me for so long was how many supposed "Trekkies" actually worked to get it cancelled, and then celebrated after the fact and spent years shitting all over it...only to react with indignation at the 2009 Trek reboot, as though they couldn't understand the connection (cancelled series don't get to continue without some kind of reboot) and the fact that they helped cause the Kelvin timeline.

And I was very, very angry at the Star Trek community as a whole for a long time for the shit Enterprise nevertheless continued to get, angry enough that I stopped self-identifying as a Trekkie even though I still loved the franchise. In fact I was angry enough that when I learned that the 2009 Trek potentially wiped every other series except Enterprise from continuity, I just laughed and drank down Trekkie tears like a fine wine. Don't get me wrong, I loved TOS and TNG (my favorite Trek episode is actually "Yesterday's Enterprise"), and DS9 was okay (I think I'd like it more if I hadn't watched Babylon 5 first), and even VOY produced some good episodes on occasion. But in the balance, if I could wipe them all out in exchange for hurting those "Trekkies" who had worked at and celebrated Enterprise's cancellation, I took it gladly.

Star Trek Beyond kind of showed me what that could, at least metaphorically, turn me into, though, if I kept holding onto hate so much even though I'd "won" already, that Enterprise's place in the canon of TWO continuities is firmly entrenched and I don't need to keep fighting to defend it anymore.

So, yeah. I was turning into Krall, but Beyond helped that, and I'm back to calling myself a Trekkie again. I'm glad. I...missed being me.

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>>51770680
Most Trekkies hated when Enterprise was cancelled because season 4 was actually good and it was getting canned when it was finally finding its stride. Yeah the first two seasons were garbage but that was true for the previous three series so Trekkies were patient. What Trekkies hated about the first two seasons were the rehashed plots, lack of decent characterization, and lack of desire to actually be different from what had come before. Enterprise and Voyager both had outstanding concepts that could've been compelling, but instead they flubbed the execution. That's what Trekkies hated, not the fact that Enterprise simply existed.

>>51770680
>So, yeah. I was turning into Krall, but Beyond helped that, and I'm back to calling myself a Trekkie again. I'm glad. I...missed being me.
TL;DR
I think anyone that actually likes this shit that strongly should neck themselves. IT'S JUST A TV SHOW PEOPLE GET OVER YOURSELVES! I have nothing against liking a setting and collecting stuff from it but when actually ID yourself as a fandom. It maybe time to put down Spock ears friend.

>>51770680
Thanks anon for confirming that no matter how interested I ever get in Star Trek, I will never, ever be as autistic as you.

>>51770876
This hard. Don't forget the cast was terribly utilized or hired because tits worked for Voyager, it should work here. AND THEN KEPT US FROM SEEING ALL THE TITS UNTIL THE MIRROR UNIVERSE EPISODE.

>>51768958
>>51770680

I unironically love the Enterprise theme song.

>>51770876
This, this, this so much.

Also
>>51770953
>tits worked for Voyager, it should work here
>how could they miss the point of why Best Girl was one of the precious few good VOY characters THIS HARD

>>51768369
>>51768958
>>51770876
>>51770953
>>51771405
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SIZcDWKyw0

Be grateful we didn't get worse.

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>>51771405
>>how

The more I learn about the making of star trek; mostly Voyager and Enterprise, the more and more relevant this picture is.

Ira Steven Behr had practically fist-fought Berman constantly to make DS9 what it was and even then he had trouble.

>>51771596
Insurrection's case is weird. The story was going to be Apocalypse Now but with a friend of Picard's as Kurtz, but then the writer decided it should be comedic in places, and then it just collapsed from there.

>>51771637
>drafts of Insurrection were rejected for being "too political"
>one exec didn't like the title Insurrection because they didn't know what the word meant
Why do executives ruin everything?

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>>51771596
I'd like to reiterate that I think the main reason I don't care much for DS9 is the fact that I saw Babylon 5 first. The two shows are broadly similar and have a lot of the same themes and twists come up, so watching DS9 just feels like someone is trying to ape Babylon 5, but taking two extra seasons to do it and without nearly as good a myth arc.

Then again if I'd watched DS9 first I'd probably feel that Babylon 5 feels like DS9, but two seasons short and way too caught up in its own myth arc.

B5 has better characters, though. Garak, Quark, Odo, and O'Brian are great, don't get me wrong...but none of them hold a candle to Londo all by himself, nevermind the rest of the cast.

It also always amused me that Babylon 5 solved the Shadow War arc in a way that feels more Star Trek than DS9's own resolution to the Dominion War. Sheridan's "get the hell out of our galaxy" speech could have been delivered by Kirk and it wouldn't have felt out of place.

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>>51773106
I watched them both at the same time when they were originally running. I think I preferred B5 slightly more. Better fights in space. Also even at that young age I recognised them taking some pretty brutal dramatic choices when it came to say, deaths of main characters, them turning on each other, serious personal problems...
These days I can still happily marathon both.

Honestly that also could have been 'Get the hell out of our Quadrant!' delivered by Sisko too if he'd been in a position to demand that. But I think that narratively he was in a far more worn down position and extending the hand of friendship (or at least de-escalating things back down to negotiation) and being sucked into a hollow-feeling victory was also very Star Trek.

>>51773106
Remove most of the Minbari bullshit and S2-4 of B5 would be the pretty much the best 3 seasons of any sci-fi show.

I mostly hated Enterprise because it didn't live up to what humans of that era should have been doing. This was supposed to be the HFY series, I mean, we subjugated 3 alien races politically and fuck the Romulans so hard they wouldn't crawl back out of the neutral zone for 100 years. Archer should have been the type to punch a Klingon out, whip out his dick, and piss on the guy's face. Instead we got a second rate Picard expy. Also, there shouldn't have been Klingons, and the Temporal Cold War was among the stupidest plots I have ever seen.

I am sad we didn't get to see Kzinti in S5 though.

>>51773593
>I mean, we subjugated 3 alien races politically

We did no such thing, and nor had that ever been suggested. Are you casually forgetting that in "Journey to Babel", the Vulcans, Tellarites, and Andorians still maintained large enough starfleets to go to effective war with one another and Earth if the Corridan situation had not been resolved?

>and fuck the Romulans so hard they wouldn't crawl back out of the neutral zone for 100 years

That also doesn't remotely describe any version of the Earth-Romulan War ever told.

>Also, there shouldn't have been Klingons

Why not?

>>51773757
>Humans pushed for the founding of the Federation after convincing the Vulcan and Andorians to stop killing each other.
>Humans make up 80% of the United Starfleet, which just happens to be named after the Earth military.
>Andorians and Tellerites stop being politically relevant almost immediately.
>Humans at the forefront of science, exploration, commerce, ect.
>Romulan War ended into 2160, Romulans weren't heard from again until 2266, immediately got wrecked by Enterprise.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Romulans, but they are the galaxy's Harry Kim.

As to the Klingons, for one it would have helped differentiate the series from it's predecessors, and I would have like more focus on the Vulcans and Andorians. I also believe that they weren't encountered until the early 2200s.

>>51773981
>Humans pushed for the founding of the Federation after convincing the Vulcan and Andorians to stop killing each other.

Never stated in a canon source prior to Enterprise.

>Humans make up 80% of the United Starfleet

Do they? Roddenberry many times asked fans to imagine that Enterprise had far more aliens on it than we ever got to see, it was simply that Trek lacked the budget for good makeup to show this.

Besides which, just because they're human doesn't mean they're Terran.

>Humans at the forefront of science, exploration, commerce, ect.

Again, are we? If we're going by strictly canon sources, the Enterprise NCC-1701 was a ship in the service of the United Earth Space Probe Agency, but that doesn't change that Journey to Babel confirms that the Andorians, Tellarites, and Vulcans maintain large, powerful starfleets of their own, which are presumably out there doing their own thing.

My specific point is to counter the idea that we "politically dominated" them. I don't see it.

>I also believe that they weren't encountered until the early 2200s.

Again, never stated in a canon source that I'm aware of.

Much of the buttblasting about Klingons in Enterprise came from the TNG episode "First Contact" (which is a great episode, by the way, though almost completely unrelated to the movie), which vaguely alluded to the idea that the Federation gave the Klingons warp tech. However even by DS9 this had been abandoned, as the Klingons were stated several times to have gained their warp technology from the Hur'q.

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>>51771637
>>51771718
Insurrection is a total clusterfuck. I'm also convinced they ran out of money and didn't complete the visual effects for the ending, and hoped the blue screen would be taken as a stylistic choice. It looks terrible.

>>51773593
HFY ain't really trek's thing. If anything, that sort of mindset was intended to be the primary antagonist in the first season. In the original draft of the show, before they called it Enterprise, they had planned to have the crew coalesce, as part of the NX program and come up against Terra Prime.

As for the assertion that Humanity has subjugated the other species. Numeracy doesn't tacitly mean superiority. There are more people from California than there are in Maine. Does that mean Californians subjugate... Mainians? Mainers?

The Romulan War was much more of a close run thing. The Romulans, at one point, pushed Humanity back into Sol and we're only pushed back at Pluto.

>>51774186
>The Romulan War was much more of a close run thing. The Romulans, at one point, pushed Humanity back into Sol and we're only pushed back at Pluto.
Where the heck did you get that info? I try not to do the books much because there's a billion of them and mostly crap imho. So is this something on a fan wank site?

>>51774112
>>51774186
Okay, subjugate was probably a bad choice of words. I've been doing more then a bit of conquest in Stellaris lately.
Ultimately Trek is a show for humans, by humans, about humans. The alien cultures exist to compare and contrast the human condition and show us there are other ways to move forward.
Archer did not fit the tone of the era. He should have been more Kirk and less Picard. Personally, the Starfleet Museum is a much better history then the one we are given in Enterprise.
>>51774297
Also this.

>>51774297
Apologies, I misread Cheron as Charon, which is Pluto's moon.

But for real. If you dislike "fan-wank" you should probably find another board or site, seeing as that's basically what theses threads are about.

>>51774186
>does this mean Californians subjugate red staters?
YES.

t. /k/lingon

>>51774405
"Fan-wank" is the entirety of the content of this board, in regard to properties that did not start out as a tabletop game. And most that did.

>>51767414
This week on Pimp my Starship.

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>>51767414
4 Nacelles? aka typical battleship/long range cruiser amounts?
Are you even trying?

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>>51776322

>>51776322
yfw that thing couldn't break warp 4 with the ridiculous power drain that number of nacelles is creating.

>>51776965
Probably runs off SFB rules where the nacelles are what you use for power generation so it's actually got a fucking bajillion points to use but fuck all to use it on.

>>51774131
Yeah, the money they were supposed to put into the big ending sequence probably got spent on the shitbag kid's pet gerbil-thing instead.

>>51725954
>>51728743

Gentlemen, if you want a system that is newer and yet still out of date, I present to you: Agents of Gaming Wars.

http://b5warsvault.wikidot.com/

Originally designed as Babylon 5 Wars, the fan community fleshed out a hell of a lot of other universes and did a fairly bang-up job of both balancing them against other official stuff, and yet retaining their own feel.

For the Star Trek theme ships, Planetside has the repository.

http://planetside.firenebula.com/startrek/ships.php

All you need is a printer, a hexmap, your usual assortment of dice, and a fair amount of free time.

Game on, lads.

>>51770680

Enterprise is the only series I haven't seen to completion. Couldn't get past the first season.

>>51779087
You can probably skip a decent amount S1and S2 but S3 is an improvement and S4 is actually great.

>>51779237
S4 isn't actually great. It just feels that way because the earlier stuff was largely shit. Still stuck with mostly the same mediocre actors/characters even though the plots largely improved.

>>51779087
>>51779237
Essential Enterprise S1/S2 episodes: The Andorian Incident, Shadows of P'Jem, Cease Fire.

Non-essential Enterprise S1/S2 episodes: everything else

You may notice a common theme.

>>51779340
Silent Enemy, Dear Doctor and Minefield are all good as well, I would argue. They each represent the kind of thing I wanted the show to be more about.

Can I have some Acoochimoya memes guys?

>>51779488
Dead Stop, the episode after Minefield, is nice too. It plays more like a murder mystery than the usual Star Trek episode and you're left wondering who built the repair station.

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>>51779488
>Dear Doctor

If ever there was an episode where they needed a Kirk, Spock and Bones not a halfassed Picard and whatever the fuck Phlox counts as, that's the one.

>>51771248
Every time I watch an episode of any of the series, and the initial scene ends and the screen fades to black, I always expect to hear that jangly ass enterprise intro.

>>51779541
Piss off, that one writer from Voyager who had to shoehorn indian bullshit into EVERY episode that Chakotay was important to.

>>51780891
Now was that a character they needed to kill from the get go. I think the actor was more than happy to get out but they kept throwing more money at him for whatever reason. They should have made anyone else the 2nd in command really or just dropped his culture shit for the most part. God was that character cringe inducing at times. Well too be honest they all were.

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Alright, let's try and channel some of that frustration at Voyager into creativity.

In 2371 a Star Fleet ship is thrown into the ass-end of no-where aka the backwoods of the Delta Quadrant after chasing some Maquis dudes. They're stuck there because of reasons and the Maquis have teamed up with them out of lack of better options.

Pick the ship class.
Choose a couple of things for quirks; bonuses, stuff that could go wrong, damage it took that can't be fixed, that kinda thing.

Then Crew. Give a short sentence or so brief on the character so they're not just a position and species.
Who is the Captain?
The First Officer?
Security Chief? Tactical Officer? (doesn't have to be the same person)
Chief Engineer?
Chief Medical Officer?
Primary Helmsman and Operations console dudes?
Local Guide?
Other notable positions you might want to add such as Chief Science Officer, other local tag-alongs, Maquis notables and so on.

Bonus points for building in potential plot-hooks and character growth.

And finally; how do you see their journey progressing? What's their general approach to problems, like maintaining their principles in the face of the situation?

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>>51782018
There was nothing wrong with the actual premise of Voyager, and the characters are still workable with some tweaks. The issue was that the struggle of surviving on their own became the back drop to character drama with the actual ordeals that these people go through having very little weight to their character arcs with one or two exceptions. And it's never the environment, the hardships of being the only friendly ship for 70K light years, that causes these changes, it's always character drama.

The resource issue were solved in the first and second seasons, and while I'd imagine that 7 seasons of "It's another we're out of dilithium episode" would wear thin quick but I'm sure that there are ways of doing it properly. The first couple of seasons of the new Battlestar had that along with some sticking it to the cylons. Voyager had the same things going for it too, for the first to seasons, and I guess it shows that I think both series took a bit of a dive when they dropped that. BSGs saving grace was that everyone was going fucking insane with the constant stress.

I think something like the Equinox would have been a good starting point, watching the crew become more and more desperate as their ship slowly deteriorates, or is changed by the add on of alien technology. And we need more Andorians.

superior andorian waifus

>>51779087
You could make it through Season 1 of TNG, but not ENT?

That's some serious nostalgia goggles you've got on there.

>>51783043
TNG had hype
ENT was post VOY

>>51781572
> I think the actor was more than happy to get out but they kept throwing more money at him for whatever reason.

More or less exactly this. He kept asking for absurd raises each season, and for some reason he kept getting them. I think it's because Voyager was UPN's flagship show, and the channel felt it NEEDED a Star Trek, no matter the cost.

Chakotay would have been fine if they had just picked ONE Native American tribe and stuck with it. Given that the actor is of partial Mexican descent, Mayan probably would have been a pretty good way to go. It certainly would have made the tattoo make more sense.

>I think something like the Equinox would have been a good starting point, watching the crew become more and more desperate as their ship slowly deteriorates, or is changed by the add on of alien technology

Eh...I mean, I would have preferred to emphasize the fact that they're all alone more, as well, but going full Equinox is a mistake. The show has to still fundamentally be Star Trek.

At the same time, I'm really not sure the fundamental premise of Voyager can be successfully stretched out over 7 seasons, but let me give it a shot...

>Season 1:
Oh God we're running out of everything
>Season 2:
Supplies are basically handled, but Goddamn Kazon won't leave us alone
>Season 3:
Goddamn Kazon have been left behind, but need to settle down on a single planet for a good portion of the season
>Season 4:
YEAR OF HELL
>Season 5:
"Breather" season of two- an three-part storylines. Season closes with finally making contact with the Federation. First encounters with the Borg
>Season 6:
Gradually build up to more regular contact with the Federation, serious work on finding a quick means home is begun. More encounters with the Borg
>Season 7:
DA BORGS. Voyager makes it past the Borg and home in the penultimate episode; final episode is everyone trying to adjust to finally being home.

>>51783177
Oh, incidentally, no Borg Queen need apply. The Borg Queen was the worst idea for the Borg ever.

>>51783210
I don't know about that
I'm kind of attached to my very first why boner

>>51783025
Andorian FUTA waifus, you mean.

>>51783210
The Borg Queen could have been done better. Instead of a Queen, make it an Administrator. Rather than a leader, it should have been an emergency sysop in case the collective is fucked with, like Picard's magic picture virus he decided not to use on Hugh. The Admin comes in, programs in a patch and then leaves. Maybe have it offer an outside perspective in case the collective starts agreeing with itself too much.

>>51783177
We all know VOY should have been BSG.

>>51783623
Instead of a creepy/sexy queen it's a grumpy, hairy Borg drone with an anime T-shirt and enough bulky implants around his legs to suggest cargo shorts. Given his ability to manipulate computer memory he'd be the closest thing a drone could know to God or the Grim Reaper... or whatever else he wants them to think he is. He retains individuality - the collective's mind-shouting means nothing to the man with a mute control.

>>51783424
The Borg end up way overcommitting resources to chase Voyager because he's a freak and wants some of that. Ensign Shranette spends every away mission cringing in fear of robot tentacles.

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>>51783424
All I need is a hole and something vaguely feminine shaped. You have to look past extra appendages if you're a filthy xenofucker

I just rewatched Generations and I'm still confused.
Picard chased after some guy because he wanted to live in paradise?

>>51784714
And killed a bunch of people in the process.

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>>51784714
>The only way to get into paradise is the kill 230 million people.

>>51784714
Because the guy was killing people to do it.

>>51783210
>>51783623
>>51783875
No, the worst idea was her being able to be Janewayed all the time. GOD that was annoying to point of me wanting to burn a star fleet uniform if I had one.

>>51784831
>>51784848
>>51785940
Well, not just that he was blowing up stars to do it remember and willing to the tech to the two Klingon sisters on the run that would have sold it to anyone with the credits to buy. So that guy kind of had to be stopped.

>>51783043

lol I made it through Season 1 of TNG when I was like 9 or 10 years old as my parents would watch it in syndication

>>51784714
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h06WKYFYdlo

I love red letter media

>>51787688
>Hasn't rewatched TNG

Why though?

>>51789572

so a while back I was like "I'll rewatch ST". So I went through all of TOS and then went to TAS, which I had never seen before...and I couldn't make it through. I guess I should pick it up again sometime.

>>51783177
>>51783835
VOY with a BSG spin

This would've been fucking fantastic, especially if you played up the fact (like the latter did) that the crew are falling apart as much as the ship is. Slowly becoming more makeshift, more improvised, with the patches needing patches and infighting even amongst senior staff as hope slowly drains - then, it'd actually be an interesting foil to DS9's stationary nature and emphasis on the Little People vs Big Politics.

Bonus points if the Starfleet/Maquis tension gets played up a lot, but the latter eventually earn respect and/or keep everyone alive because they're either:
>Able to stay loyal to the ship and crew instead of the Starfleet crew who have nothing but oaths uttered half the galaxy away to keep them loyal.
>Already used to flying around in the space equivalent of Mad Max scrapheaps
>More sympathetic to locals who get shunned by the Starfleet crew because "m-muh Prime Directive"
or something similar

>>51789726
TAS is... goofy. It has some interesting stuff but a lot of it is silly.

>>51789817
>the crew are falling apart as much as the ship is

At first I thought of crew being infected with phage and scavenging fresh xeno cadavers to survive. And first dead to be picked apart would be Gene Roddenberry.

>>51790444
Speaking of which, didn't the thinktank cure the phage? What happened to the Vidiians after that?

>>51790711
Nothing further was mentioned but there's probably some bullshit in STO that's utterly retarded and awful.

Given they'd pissed off everyone around them, best move they could do is a massive relocation as far away from their homeland as possible. Or try and make up for their past actions by putting all that medical tech to use helping people.

>>51790832
Nope, they're only mentioned once in STO, during one of Harry Kim's exposition art pieces.

>>51790832
They are conspicuously unmentioned in their entirety in STO.

>>51790953 here,
>>51790945
That mention was historical, not current.

>>51790953
>>51790945
STO missing an opportunity to shit things up?

Colour me surprised.

>>51790945
>>51790953
>Cryptic specifically not mentioning a minor antagonist
Vidiians as future villains confirmed.

>>51790832
>>51790953
>>51790998
>>51791011
STO's DQ doesn't go that far. The only reason we have Talaxians and Kazon are because they traveled all the way down to S3+ territory.

>>51791011
Vidiians are back and now they have SUPER Phage!

They don't just steal other people's organs to stay alive, they steal them and then the Phage mutates them! Now Grand Admiral Fancypants must go destroy Vidiian refugee fleets and burn down orphanages full of potentially dangerous Vidiian babies that now look like they're Fallout's Supermutants crossed with Mass Effect, with glowy shit everywhere, in order to stop the spread of Super Phage and save the entire galaxy!

>>51791097
They're definitely gonna expand the Delta quadrant at some point.

>>51791011

The Vidiians were manipulating the Iconians the whole time!

>>51791127

Fuck that, I want the Gamma Quadrant.

That wormhole on the DS9 space map is fucking taunting me.

>>51791695
>a second Dominion War

I actually wouldn't mind that. Even better if they introduce the Cardassians as a playable race that way.

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>>51792887
>>51792887
>>51792887

>>51679004
Enterprise D

Even when it got blown up, very few people died.

And it look like a nice place to live.