Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Ynnari army is "OP". It's not. They're the Eldar's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring Gladius or a Skyhammer. If they bring multiple and in the Reborn Warhost, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Wyches are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If Wych cults had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Eldar player would know that some well supported guardian unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Eldar players complain about "muh Soulburst or muh Wraithknights" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the wraith constructs. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Eldar players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

Give it to me straight, /tg/; can I put a Sisters squad in a Valk with the Imperial Agents book or not?

Old timer returning from 10+ years off.

Just reading over forums and /tg - when did the game get so damn WAAC? There used to be the 'ard boyz tournaments that would be where you pulled ridiculous stuff but hardcore lists seem to be normal?????

>>51621987
Not as far as I'm aware.

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Is it me or is the Shadow Sword as lack luster in the lore as it is on the table?

Three times now I think I've read about them trying to fire on a Titan, only to have the shot do nothing to their Void Shields, Holo-Fields or Psychic Force Fields, after which the thing gets destroyed in one hit by said Titan.

>>51621995
Only trying tonight, I'll move on to a different meme o the day tomorrow friend.

>>51621999
The trips that were promised

>>51621999
>>51622000
Trips right after trips but none rolling for Duncan. Sad.

nth for an apoc game with an entire Space Marine chapter.

>>51622072
I wanna see that shit! Fund it /tg/

>>51622100
>implying anyone on /tg/ has money

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What seems like the proper use for this guy? He can warp around but can't charge if he does and he has no range weapons.

>>51622126
>kill an enemy unit
>he appears
>kill another enemy unit within 7" of him
>soulburst him and charge yet another enemy unit
He needs support and does best in a highly mobile CQC army so the rest of the guys can take advantage of the FNP. Just imagine him and a shitload of warp spiders

>>51622125
I'm sure plenty have good boy points at least.

>>51622149
He can't charge the turn he uses his ability.

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>>51622072
>>51622100
GW did this in 2005, to determine the fate of the Steel Confessors, an Iron Hands sucessor chapter illicitly founded by the AdMech, whose original homeworld of Kracsis IV was destroyed by Hive Fleet Leviathan. The apoc game involving their entire chapter was to defend their new homeworld, the Forge World of Kalevala from the very same hive fleet. They emerged victorious, but not without losing the entire 10th company, and every other company recieving 20-40% casualties.

They are the only chapter other than the Ultramarines to have a statue in GW HQ.

>>51622126
Drop him in on an opponents turn and charge during yours.

>>51622126
>Celestine can potentially take The Yncarne
Nice.

>>51622126
>>51622149

I like it

>>51622158
Soulburst nigga

>>51622126
Show up, make the enemy models near it go code brown, murder whatever is closest the next turn, free flank reinforcement

>>51622171
>The Ynncarne may not charge in a turn in which it uses this ability
That would stop the soulburst presumably. Soulburst gives you the option of charging but Inevitable Death states that you can not.

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>About to buy first model for painting
>It's my boy Lucius
>21.75 syrups
>Shipping more than doubles the price

Why.

>>51622204
Canada was a mistake Anon.

>>51622199
Wait for FAQ, until then, play it how you see fit

>>51622204
>Free shipping over X dollars
>Most FLGS will order models in at a 20% discount

Don't be discouraged. Lucius is a cool model.

>>51622160
Dude, that's awesome.

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>>51622212
You're thinking of Quebec, anon.

so looking at formations a bit, a cult of slaughter cultist unit with a pox walker hive sorcerer can get d6+d3 cultists back a turn, the cultists from i can see aren't restricted in taking marks so they get MoN, and with the new nurgle powers can possibly get 4+ poison attacks, or +1 S and T possibly making them a T5 regenerating blob.

So a death guard CAD + Crimson slaughter formation seems like a fun little zombie army. Typhus seems to be put out of a job.

>>51622257
Ahh my mistake!

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>>51622212

> Commencing Exterminatus.

If I upgrade a 50 man infantry blob with the desert raiders option in the Talos Campaign FW book, do I pay 20pts or 100pts ? Rule says 20pts per unit ?

>>51622212
One day, I'll be able to enact my plan of nuclear holocaust on Canada.

>>51622292

You pay 100pts because it's five units formed into one for gameplay purposes.

>>51622292

100 points.
Combined squads gathers existing units.

>>51622221
Or just play it the right way

>>51622277
>>51622299
X2 dubs of Canadian end times!

>>51622342
>Canada: Age of Syrupmar

>>51622204
>first model for painting
>Lucius
Are you sure this is a good idea?

>>51622349
Thank god Mounties are overpowered as shit. Hopefully they get fucked with a nerfbat.

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>Turboboost reavers into enemy lines
>Kill something nearby with shooting
>Soulburst and charge turn one.

>>51622342
>>51622349
No! Not my Canadian Stormtroopers!

>>51622126
>can statically be killed with 90 lasgun hits.

I think i can work with this.

>>51622415
Lumberjacks are not stormtroopers anon, and that's okay.

>>51622342
Fall of Canada.

>>51622257

QC? QC? Anyone here [QC]? Gib French bread or I report u to GM

Honhonhon

This soulburst stuff while cool, absolutely terrifies me at how easily that stuff will murder most armies

Im sure glad that this does fuckall for dark eldar, now I can save dosh by not buying any of it. Sucks shit that vect will die though. I really wanted a new model.

So half the Imperium gets hatred and troops coming back on 5+ while Eldar get an additional assault phase? Im not surprised but god damn Eldar.

>>51622471
Think they will throw some regular old maurauding Deldar anything soon?

>>51622416
>120 hits
I forgot to factor in the FNP

>>51622464
It's pretty OP, but countering it isn't too hard, just really tedious.
You just have to make sure your opponent can't get within 7" of you on his turn, and have to get all his units diwn to one or two guys before going back and wiping them out.

It's really not that hard to counter, just a pain in the ass and tedious as fuck.

>>51622509
I really really doubt it

>everyone's getting something this year
>GS2 is basically an Ynnari book
>Eldrad clampack for Eldar, at the very least
>implying Vect won't get a model and a reboot as the face of the Dark Eldar proper after those other fucks join Ynnari

>>51622520
Eldar are already incredibly agile and have jetbikes so they can probably close that distance and popping a transport will get them the activation too

>>51622529

But anon, that's not new and hip! You have to play Ynnari™ Aeldari™ exclusively from Games Workshop™ for the best Warhammer 40,000™ experience! Don't use those old boring eldar rules. Experience the amazing Aeldari™ like never before with the Triumverate™ of Ynnead™!

>>51622126
>he has no range weapons
>Psyker (Mastery Level 3)

>>51622541
>thinking de will get something

>>51622520
Wow you mean all I have to do is engage Eldar only in a very specific manner while already coping with the fact that they have the best codex in the game or else I'll get killed by an enemy being given free turns?

So I have to ask.
What was the point of giving Saint Celestine Ballistic Skill 7.
When she has no ranged attacks.
Besides an orbital and flamer template which don't give a shit about your Ballistic Skill.

>>51622576
Man some lawyer must be laughing himself to sleep every night over that mess.

>>51621883
how retarded is it to have a shooty ork army with a morkanaut for the invo save?

>>51622643
G U N E M P L A C E M E N T S

>>51622673
Bruh. That's 200 points.
When Vindicare Assasin is 150 points, with better BS and ignore cover.

>>51622664
Probably better off spending the points on more shooting stuff.

>>51622664
Not much more than any other Ork army. I'd say to go for a Void Shield generator fortification over a Morkanaut though.

>>51622698
>a dedicated shooting unit is better at shooting than my melee HQ, therefore her having a BS at all is pointless

>>51622520
long range blast weapons easily deal with them.
alternatively, use a reserve heavy army. Or tarpit shooty units while killing melee units. flyer spam and jsj units also work well. I think that the other high tier armies will be able to challenge them, at least gladius/war convo/daemons should be able to.

>>51622729
Well if you read the full reply list.
They gave Saint Celestine BS 7 when she has no ranged weapons which use BS.
It just seems strange and pointless.
That's what I was complaining about.

So does a Wraith Host taken as part of this new Detachment keep the Battle Focus it gets from being a Wraith Host Formation or does it have to give it up because the Detachment says you lose rules like Battle Focus or Power from Pain? The models int he Wraith Host don't have Battle Focus naturally, but gain it from the Formation. How does that work?

>>51622617
Hey man, I did say it was OP and a pain in the ass.
Trust me, I'm as pissed off as any other non-eldar player

>>51622574
No, I mean pre measuring to make sure even jetbikes and such can't close the gap. Like I said an utter pain in the ass, mess one thing up an your fucked.

I told everyone that phil kelly did this and that soulburst was OP as fuck and WK, scatbikes and WG would have it. You all should have listened. Feel like Cassandra right now

>>51622773
This was literally argued about last thread, I'm not having the same argument again.
>>51619499

>>51622520
>It's not that hard, just control the dice and make sure units only die when it's convenient for you

>>51622773
Because she doesn't magically not know how to fire guns. The number is so you know what to use in situations that may require BS, like gun emplaces. Other things may be better at gun emplacements, but people still need to know how to use her at one.

Is this concept really going over your head?

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So, how is this now with the Ynnari?

>>51622541
Meanwhile i'm still waiting for plastic Seer council and Aspect Warrior.

Aaaand Stormcast boys get more release because their army need more unit variety

>>51622773
>she has no ranged weapons
frag grenades, krak grenades

The frag grenades are kind of irrelevant when she has a heavy flamer, but a BS7 krak grenade has its own uses.

>>51622698
You're suggesting that someone buy a vindowcare over Celestine in order to place them on a gun.

No, you buy Celestine over a Vendercar in general, and then when the opportunity arises, you make Celestine shoot a gun because it's fluffy and cinematic.

Fucking WAACoffs.

>>51622704
you are probably right about that. i could get 15 lootas for the price of a morkanaut

but the model is so nice and the loota models are so shit.

>>51622784
I'm in complete agreement with you. I just only see keeping your distance work for the first turn or two and the current meta going completely nuts.

>>51622773
Models gotta have a BS. You never know when GW will make some goofy new psychic power that wounds based on the target's BS instead of yours.

>>51622781
There's a new wraith formation for Ynnari, Anon.

Whispering Ghost Hall, use that.

But if you really need to use Wraith Host, I'd say it gets it.

So, do 40k orks have those little fuckin goblin dudes sigmar has? I've never played against orks in 40k.

Fuck me. I just realized I can take Banshees with Assault Vehicles now. Thank you, GW. I haven't touched my Banshees in months. Well played.

>>51622875
They've got Grots

>>51622872
Yeah, I don't want to buy another Wraithlord. I have a Wraith Host already. Besides, the Ghost Hall is geared towards melee Wraith and mine are 2x Scythes and 1x Cannons. Fear doesn't help them even if taking the Shadowseer with the -2 Leadership relic is really good.

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>>51622875
Yeah.

>>51622882
And now they get soul burst
least I think they should, they are eldar.

>>51622916
I get the impression that is the case.

>>51622914
Best option you can take for the Troops tax.

>>51622914
why do grots have s2?

they got some serious guns!

>>51622922
so now they're op, enjoy.
I guess I am salty right now, not because I can't take on eldar (I've been able to deal with them fine with a healthy win/loss rate) but because imp(everyone but IG)/eldar/tau get so much love and the xenos factions like nids/orks get nothing.

>>51622953
Because they're 35 points and have BS3.

I REALLY wish gretchin gunners was an upgrade for vehicles.

>>51622978
or a gretchin spotter.

could allow a single re-roll a turn like attack squigs.

>>51622978

If you're building the IA8 Stompa/Gargant, then you can just buy more guns.

>>51622798
>knowing how far oppontents units can move and what the chances of wiping them out if you fire a unit into them is hard
here's a tip:
Scatbikes have 12” movement and a 36“ turboboost, or a 2d6 assault move.
1 bolter shot will do .1111... Wounds to them, a single shot of grav will do .2222... Wounds, anything S:6 or better with ap:3 or greater will do .2777... Wounds per shot. For meq stats of course.

It's not hard, just a real real pain in the ass.

>>51622973
If it helps, I play Necrons and haven't had new shit in years. I also play Blood Angels, but play Death Company so I'm in a holding pattern. I just can't get the Lost Brotherhood to click with my BA/DC collection.

>>51622992
A vehicle version of an Ammo Runt? I like that actually.

>>51622882
You know you can just not take the new supplement, right?

>>51623032
Yeah, necrons haven't had much love, though their codex was really strong and still continues to be decently powerful, so they are still a viable faction.
I would love a necron triumvirate.

>>51623124
I want all the neat cron wargear back. It was so disappointing to finally have some neat things after years and years only to have it stripped away again.

would any of the 3 characters from the imperial triumvirate be useful in an elysian/d-99 list?
Alternatively, would they be good in an air cav ig list?

>>51623014

The solution to many game problems caused by players taking OP units can be found in the terrain.

Gun lines? More LoS blocking terrain.

Tau JSJ? More impassible terrain that is wider than their jet range so that they cannot land on top of it or leapfrog back and forth over it.

Scatike soul burst? Count the whole map as bad terrain for them making them test every single time they move, e.g. a board that is just a bunch of stepping stones surrounded by bottomless chasms.

The last example is quite a stretch, but that's only because new Eldar rules are just so fucking stupid and OP you have I work real hard to counter it no matter what you do.

Terrain is the solution, friends. It can solve many problems, is fair to both players, and requires no buying new models or list tailoring. It can even be used as a handicap for weaker armies by giving them favorable terrain.

>>51623124
>necron triumvirate
Silent King, Storm Lord, and Trazyn would fill the place, unfortunately. The first two are the literally the face and power of the whole faction, while the latter remains the most popular and relevant character with potential for anything that suits the author's fancy.

>>51623158
Nothing wrong with that, they could use the update. We already have plenty of special characters compared to most, so we don't really need anymore.

>>51623150
Yeah, terrain can really even things out, if only because it makes it so the armies with insane range and mobility can't use those advantages.

It does also screw over some armies though, like those without assault grenades

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>orkz are a melee race!
>I2
>S3
>no natural FNP
>useless psykers
>useless transports
>useless walkers
>useless vehicles in general
>only reliable ap2 is melee and costs 25 points a pop
>overpriced fucking everything
>no good formations
>literally the worst army in the game, our 5th edition codex is a better choice and I would rather have it still
>treated with 0 dignity in the lore, not even a slight threat in any way, a true NPC race
>to top it all off one of the most goddamn expensive armies in the game to buy an army for
>Oh and GW fucking hates us for some reason, Orkz 8th Ed confirmed to be hit with another nerf bat
>mfw

>>51623101
But I WANT to use my Banshees. I love them dearly. Now I can put them in Venoms and Starweavers.

>>51623158
I mean, I'd say with the creed incident, that Trazyn is all but confirmed, though gathering storm being a trilogy, here's my hypothesis.
Xenos triumvirate
1 member per race:
1 tau (maybe shadowsun)
1 necron (probs trazyn)
1 ork (maybe ghazzy, though I hope for one of the older characters like that weirdboy to come back)

Can someone give me a rundown of what each member of the imperial triumvirate is good for?
Celestine is a good melee character
Idk about the other 2.
Could either of them help with aircraft of deep striking? Alternatively are either of them good at shooting?

>>51623210
Your obsession with traps is noted.

>>51623124
>>51623137
This. So this. Crypteks were like Lego sets that you could use to do whatever you wanted or counter whatever you ancountered. I miss them so.

>>51623214
God I hope we're not just shoveled in together so they don't have to pay much attention to us.

>>51623202
orks do have some of the best models though

and thats the only thing that matters

>>51623214
Cawl gives you absurd Canticle buffs and is really really hard to kill without devoting an army's worth of fire at him.

>>51623014
>I swear it's not hard to win, guys, you just really really have to hamstring your playstyle

>>51623202
>8th ed will pile on the hate
Have faith anon! Surely GW knows that Orks are in a pitiful position right now! They've said as much about the current state of 'Nids in an interview and they are guaranteed being reworked. It's not much of a leap to think the Orks would get a similar treatment.

>>51623245
>having limited ways of winning is the same thing as winning being difficult

>>51623233
I think the probably will, though that's if it isn't a straight up tau triumvirate to do with farsight, including the following
1 kroot hq
1 standard battlesuit hq
1 riptide/MC/FMC (not xv86) hq like the riptide form the eight.
>>51623241
What is canticle?
I don't know anything outside of IG pretty much.
Also is cypher any good?

>>51623292
>kroot hq

LOL.

Kroot will be squatted next ed.

So were there plastic Flesh Hounds that never got released in their own box?

Are dark eldar viable in small point games without eldar allies?

Friend plays necrons and im worried my gliders will get blown apart in one turn.

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>>51623292
>Kroot HQ
We had one.

>>51623343
As long as you can keep your distance you should be ok. The major cron disadvantage is an almost universal 24" range.

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>>51622221
>brand new model
>already trying to loophole your way in to exploiting its rules
You have absolutely no way to justify treating charging after a soulburst as something that ignores normal restrictions on charging.

>>51623481
I wouldn't play it like that, I'm saying until it's further clarified, if it matters, just House Rules it

>>51623292
Canticles are these special army wide buffs that Mechanicus uses.
For example, one might give your army shrouded, or the ability to re-roll your missed shooting attacks.
Cawl's are unique because they can affect vehicles of other Imperial armies too.

>>51623499
>>51623481
If someone tries to say it overrides the Restriction, call them a faggot and say no

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>>51623499
>I wouldn't play it like that

>>51623343

They are good without allies. Difficult to play but, they can work.

What sort of list are you playing?

>>51623551
I mean to say... fuck it, I'm autistic, let's drop this and say that you're correct and I can't read

What ETTS episodes are about the Crimson Fists?

>>51623315
they might get a shitty hq and a buff to csm tier, but battlesuits will get buffed to daemons/eldar tier with the new experimental tau FMC coming out soon.
>With the success of the XV86 battlesuit in the last battle between the Imperium and the Tau, the Earth Caste engineers realised that the battle for supremacy could be brought to the air. By retrofitting existing pieces of equipment from the razorshark fighter and the already proven chassis of the XV104 Riptide, the XV186 Meteor battlesuit, equipped with with the most advanced weapons the tau could equip on the the suit, it is the ultimate combination of Tau technology.
XV168: 300/350 points
WS5 BS5 S6 T6 W8 I3 A4 Ld10 2+/4++
Nova result for invuln save become 2++
>>51623363
was talking about him.

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Lets see if the fucknuts respond

>>51623594
Oooh, ooh, do one for Nids, GK, and Dark Eldar.

>>51623594
kek
10/10
Post results anon, you're doing the emperor's work.

>>51623517
Oh ok, so he'd be good for an elysian/d-99 army full of aircraft.
Does he provide any other buffs?
Also does the inquisitor do anything good?

>>51623621
What if he gets countermemed with a Nobz in a Naut list supplemented with a Blitz Brigade?

>>51623593
It'd be XV-106. 10 is the mass designation. 6 is the role designation.

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>>51623594
oh god I can't breathe. I know they will never EVER respond because GW has the biggest stick up it's ass about that kind of thing, but that's hilarious

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https://youtu.be/EhZMrrcKqWk?t=616
>I havent lost a game in a few years now
>terminators in a landraider is a deathstar
>grav bikes is gay faggot cheese, but centurions are OK

Why is the 40k community on youtube so autistic, and why is Gamza the very worst?

Does Beast of Nurgle come on a 40mm base or a 60mm base? The website says 40 but I've heard people say 60 anyways.

>>51623659
I tell whiny people that cheese is only cheese it fully tables you or wins the game by anything above 80% objective points

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Now that the best primarch has returned what do you think his stats will be? Do you think the Ultramarines will get some relics or even more?

Guys ! I have question about the fluff. Is there any castigator titan left in 40k milennia ?

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>>51623594
>inb4 they just suggest you buy ALLIES

>>51623594
I was about to tell you that this was a waste of time and you'd never get an answer but then I saw you put "please respond" and I realized how wrong I was.

>>51623697

Guilliman had a vault full of artifacts that was his tomb. If we're cataloguing that shit, it'd be a Codex's content worth of artifacts and relics for not only Space Marines and the Imperium in general, but Eldar and other xenos as well.

>>51623697
i'm gonna guess similar to his 30k statline. so probably 6s and t

>>51621999
What is your army's theme song?

>>51623652
ah ok, apologies, I am still wrapping my head around the way that the designation works, especially that since tau use an eight number counting system the xv109 = xv1011, which is retarded and FW is retarded for failing.
Otherwise, does it seem legit enough that gw could actually do it?
Also for armament I was thinking it would have 2 heavy rail rifles, and a twin linked crisis weapon, can take command link drone with T6 or some other special drone.
>>51623651
Kek, someone please post that meme about the naut being durable, it's a fucking classic.

>>51623701
there was only 1 created at all, it fell to chaos and then idk what happened.

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>>51623734

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Who the fuck thought this up?

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So does Greyfax fit into any army or counts as an Inquisitor? I was hoping to ally her into a list with Blood Angels for a mega battle to have some fun with her and Mephiston and some Death Company.

>>51623734
The idea of a Flying MC HQ with a Riptide base is really dumb and would probably be obnoxiously overpowered.

So 90% chance it'll be done.

>>51622807

Anyone? Does my. Wych cult have a chance now? Probably not.

>>51623697
>Do you think the Ultramarines will get some relics or even more?
I don't think it's guaranteed. Have we found out if the eldar get any special relics?

I'm more interested in his gun and sword's stats, too be ache

>>51623772
Bahahaha

Prepare your anus Horde armies.

>>51623748
Isn't GK already destroy the corrupted ones and it's STC ?

Well, I guess there is none of them left in the 40k then.

>>51623781
You can use her in place of an HQ for any army of the Imperium, so just add her in as long as you have a free slot.

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List made out of what I have modeled currently.
Any changes I could make? I play in a casual group, the other players are Nids and Necrons.

>>51623697
I'm poor so I don't actually play/keep up with things much but
how did the board react to Girlyman?
will he update the Codex Astartes?

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>>51623772

HAHAHAHAHAAH HOLY FUCK

>>51623834
An Eldar player who fought Genestealer Cults?

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I sent one to the executive director of GW as well

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>>51623814
Thanks anon!

>>51623659
I don't even know what the fuck he's trying to argue. It seems like he doesn't understand competitive play or what the word "meta" means.

>>51623875
You should've added that it's not just you, but a majority of Ork players(aka:customers who buy lots of models) that lose a lot and lose motivation to continue the hobby.

>>51623772
Someone who plays Razorback spam Marines.

>>51623697
>best primarch
Sanguinus is still dead anon

>>51622807
Wyches wouldn't be worth a shit even if they all got 3 free actions every turn

>>51623594

kek I am seriously considering doing this for DEldar now.

>My Dark Eldar Army (pls respond)

To whom it may concern (that means you),

I was wondering if you could help me with some questions I have about my 40k Dark Eldar... or sorry, Dark Aeldari.. Or Druzari.. or, uh, whatever.. army. It seems every time I look at the Eldar Craftworlds Codex, every single unit is better than its equivalent in my Codex, and equally fast. I mean, literally every single one. There isn't a single unit in the Dark Eldar Codex that's actually better. I guess Trueborn are a bit cheaper than Fire Dragon... I digress.

Maybe you could help me with this matter by having someone competent write me a Codex that is externally balanced, or at least stop buffing the Yngarii Aeldari(TM)(C)(R) into the stratosphere while leaving my druggie rape pirates somewhere on the level of military effectiveness enjoyed by Orks, Tyranids, and that terrain piece I made out of a pop can.

Thanks in advance for the inevitable pain and despair you will cause me when you don't do this (no really, thanks, only masochists play DE obviously so I don't really mind)

>>51623979
Make sure you add the part about their unwillingness to acknowledge they fucked up the Orbs of Despair from Haem Covens with a typo.

>>51623911
Heclearly has no idea what's going on. He also said that he was the most popular kid in high school (kek) so you should listen to him.

>>51623875
You might as well send that to the facebook page. You may actually get a response from them.

>>51621999
The internet happened, and now it's easy to brainstorm and get alternate takes on what's good or tricksy or synergizes well with other things. Optimization (read: WAACfaggotry) is a natural result of ongoing discussion.

>>51624002
I like how spamming grav weapons is allegedly "meta" as if it's not just an obviously good idea to anyone who has taken a look at grav weapons and expects to fight any army with non-ork armor saves.

>>51623659
Are Centurions cheese by any reasonable definition? I mean, they're damned good, but they're like 65 points per model or some shit.

I thought about re-writing each match I play as a short story, but I don't know if that would actually translate well or be enjoyable. Would it?

>>51622342
>>51622349
>>51622299

Fucking rakes go away

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leaked image of the new space wolf dreadnaught.

>>51624070
>S&P grav with rerolls
>fit in a pod
>can add HE WS Libby for Ignores Cover and rerolls to hit/Invisibility
yes but they're not nearly as faggotrocious as Termies or a Land Raider. Seriously, if you field those it's only fair your opponent can has a Riptide.

>>51622241
>Most FLGS will order models in at a 20% discount
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT. I hate the stores in Boston.

Why does the Land Speeder Storm sprue only have a Heavy Bolter if it can purchase an Assault cannon, Multimelta, and Heavy Flamer?

>>51624114
>tfw one store near me does perma 25% off and another does 20% off and extra 10% off for every 300 spent
>tfw my buds all load the purchases on one account and have multiple 10% bonus vouchers

Too bad we can't stack em.

>>51624135
I hate you anon.

Not really, I just fucking hate Pandemonium Books and Games and Hobby Bunker!

>>51624135
I'm jelly as fuck, the only thing my LGS does is charge even more than GW, and the GW is even closer and isn't populated by autists

What the fuck is this soulburst shit and is this going to make me not use corsairs after all

>>51624173
I, for one, welcome our new Deathdar Overlords

>>51624173

I don't think it affects ForgeWorld(TM) Aeldari(TM) Corsairs(C). Just dedicated Yngarri(TM) units.

(seriously fuck these stupid trade names)
(also red is a shit color for Eldar unless it's Saim Hann)

Meanwhile Australian GW prices are over 60% more than UK (haven't checked US) and other countries are complaining about no discounts

>>51624210
Move somewhere else you filthy criminal

>>51622015
>Three times now I think I've read about them trying to fire on a Titan, only to have the shot do nothing to their Void Shields, Holo-Fields or Psychic Force Fields, after which the thing gets destroyed in one hit by said Titan.
Aren't they supposed to be titan killers? What the fuck are they good for if they can't do the one thing they're built for?

>>51624200
It replaces battle focus and power from pain.

It's Eldar, Deldar, and Harlys combined into one army list

>>51624210
Australia and Canada just need to fuck off, not our fault you live in meme countries, price gouging is real for everyone.

>>51622698
I found the guy who collects models, reads advice here, doesn't play but watches battle reports
inb4 that is all of /TG/

Can I run any of the new ynnead models without using the ynnead army list?

Can i just throw the avatar into a regular deldar list?

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Who is the guy at the bottom calling?

>>51623789
mhmm, can't wait for the formation for it.
"Airborne Assault Cadre"
1 XV106 meteor
3 units of XV86 coldstars (unit size is 1-3 coldstars)
>Networked Flight Computers
All units can reroll failed jink saves
All units have split fire
>Squadron Stabilisation System
Reroll failed grounding tests
>>51624210
Being an australian and playing gw is fucking cancer, chinacast saves money, but the price of the old crisis suits (yellow ones) was $60/$65/$70 (don't remember exactly) now they're $125 for the same box, fucking retarded GW.

>>51624238
Yes

>>51623979
tfw just starting the game and going to play Dark Eldar
Are they really that bad?

>>51624261
Slaanesh, since he wants that eldar booty
Alternatively he's calling emps to wake the fuck up

>>51624261
your mom

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>>51624096
>sending doggo on one-way trip

>>51624285

Yes, but I enjoy playing them anyway. Mostly because the models look good and they're fun to paint. You can win against some lists, even some really good lists. But there are also lists where there's basically a zero percent chance of you winning.

If you want to be a cheese-eating WAACfag just play CWEldar and enjoy Easy Mode.

>>51624261
>MOM THIS REALLY ISNT THE TIME!
>...
>I KNOW I KNOW I DONT CALL ENOUGH! BUT THERES SOME PRETTY SERIOUS TEMPTUS BUSINESS RIGHT NO-
>...
>YEAH I KNOW BUT YOU DONT GET IT I GOTTA PURGE THE ENEMIES OF THE IMPERIUM!
>...
>DONT BE LIKE THAT MA! I DO SO LOVE YOU, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON LATELY!
>...
>AH DONT CRY MA! I SWEAR I'LL VISIT JUST AS SOON AS I GET SOME LEAVE
>...
>YEAH I SWEAR MOM
>...
>YEAH LOVE YOU TOO
> *MAULERFIEND SCREECHES* *BOLTER SHOTS AND ELDAR DYING INTENSIFY*
>...
>OH YEAH THAT?! ITS UH... JUST SOME WORK STUFF DONT WORRY ABOUT IT
>...
>YEAH I GOTTA GO MA! BYE!

>>51624313
Nah man, I want my drug fueled madmen pirates on Jet-bikes. I only really intend on playing with some close friends so Im not too worried about losing and such

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>>51624261

>>51624261
Igor & Grichka

>>51624285
They're a one trick pony that can be hard countered by certain armies/lists. If you're opponent isn't using ridiculous bullshit they're ok.

>>51624331

Depending on who you're playing, DE can actually be a "spoiler" army that will completely fucking destroy them despite getting rekt by shittier armies. Really depends on what your friends run.

Also, my nigga. Reavers are not only our coolest unit but one of our best units (maybe even the best).

>>51624285
Just play the new Deathdar faction with the DE units(Yes the actual Dark Eldar units). Instantly better, and probably the only way that faction isn't utterly broken.

>>51624352
I want to know what the benefits are from taking the Reborn Warhost. I'd take my regular DE army, and ally in my Haemy stuff.

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>>51624322
>>51624333
>>51624334
>>51624297

>>51623814
>>51623781
use the inquisitorial representative detachment from imperial agents. you can literally take just her and she gets her warlord trait

>>51624261

>"Sarge, I'm surrounded by filthy xenos! My feet hurt. This maulerfiend is too loud. I'm tired. I wish I was at home reading the litanies of the Emperor's holy vengeance."

>>51624222
>>51622015

They're meant to be used in overwhelming amounts, preferably in ambush positions (which is fucking difficult because of how good a titans sensors are and how big of a target the shadowsword makes itself.) Lorewise most titan weaponry can annihilate an entire squadron of shadowswords in relative ease, while the tanks themselves are going to struggle, so generally you'd find them deployed in support of other titans or the like.

Titanicus illustrates this perfectly as does the relatively recent shadowsword - spoilers:

>imperial warhound, reaver and armoured force including three shadowswords know theres enemy titans ahead, dig the shadowswords in and power them down then use the warlord to draw out what turns out to be a warlord and two reavers
>armoured force is left to fend for itself against the two reavers and somehow takes one down with mass battle cannon fire
>warlord gets drawn past the shadowswords who power up, warlord realizes and begins to turn for them, reaver does its best to keep it occupied, shadowswords manage one shot and spotweld its leg immobilizing it and its return shot destroys two of them and knocks the other down
>in the meantime it blows up the reaver, the remaining shadowsword manages to crawl up and gets off a shot that breaks the knee and downs it so the warhound can finish it

tl;dr bring titans to a titan fight. Shadowswords are glass cannons in such a circumstance.

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>>51624347

>>51624261
The bogandorfs
>the call that saved the imperium

Am I a bad person for wanting to run a Wraithknight in a Reborn Warhost alongside my pure DE list? I just want to make a giant version of one of Vect's Castigators...

>>51624444
QUADS FOR QUICK RUNDOWN

>>51624457
I wanna do the same thing, painted that shitter up like the rest of my army and everything.

>>51621999
Some of >>51624034, but there's also the steadily worsening balance. If you might have to play against Craftworld Eldar or a Gladius, you have to bring your A-game in order to compete.

Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

>>51624333
>Go through the biggest battle of your life, holding against hordes of heretic space marines and their monsters.
>Still have to tip twenty thrones to the delivery guy.

>>51624477
It would help me write some fluff for my Kabal, too...They're allowed into the Ynnari because one of the twin Archons splits the Kabal and takes some forces with him/her (can't decide which will split yet). Their original goal is to topple Vect along side other Kabals with the same goal, but they've been ordered by the Black Heart to infiltrate the Ynnari, which causes the "split" but they still end up working together. They basically will double cross both when the time is right.

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>>51624261
>Fucking xeno witches using you like a trampoline
>Bear it because it's the only contact you had with the opposite sex ever since the Schola

What's with the faeit rumour about vect?

>>51624495
That guy had to go through literal hell just to get you your damn pizza, twenty thrones is like tipping 10 dollars on a 200 dollar check. Give him the damn money and be happy he managed to even make it here with the pizza still piping hot.

>>51623202
>>Oh and GW fucking hates us for some reason, Orkz 8th Ed confirmed to be hit with another nerf bat

Wait what? Source?

>>51624495

He made it in 30 minutes or less through 3000 feet of daemons, uphill both ways. Give him a break.

>>51624495
>Amerifriends handing out tips like it's Christmas
Feels good to be a Brit. That guy isn't getting shit, not that he was expecting anything more than a thank you anyway.

>>51624542
Bruh have you seen what has happened to orks the last few codices, gw fucking hates them and they ain't gonna get a buff for a while, i'm thinking a new nerf to make them worse than all kroot tau lists, like all weirdboys peril on doubles and all ork guns jam like gets hot on the roll of a 1, with a 4+ save against it. Something like
>Ork weapons
Any weapon with this rull that rolls a 1 to-hit in the shooting phase must take an ammo test. On a 4+ that weapon may fire again. If the weapon fails the test that weapon may not fire again for the rest of the game.

>>51623594
>Da hero we deserve.

>>51624200
Ynnari. That's just another name for a faction, you know, like Tau, Kroot, Ultramarines, etc.

Come on anon.

>>51624444
>four fours
Oh shit, anon. I'm sorry.

>>51624514
>yfw it's a male banshee trap

>yfw that's canon

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>>51624411
>>51624261
>>51624322
>>51624333
>>51624444
>>51624372

>>51624577

Yes, I'm sure the reason they're Aeldari now has nothing to do with the same reason Imperial Guard are Astra Militarum now.

>>51624519
It stems from a Facebook post by WHTV that says "The Bane of Commorragh approaches!"

Sidenote: Apparently it's pronounced "Cum-mor-ruh". I thought it was "Com-o-rah".

>>51624519
Faeit is full of shaeit.

>>51624200
Dude, I know you're pissed, we all are, but most of us, even the Eldar players, got over it within a week. Right now you sound as autistic than Cuckstodesanon in /hhg/. Chill the fuck out.

>Yngarri
What even is this? You're making shit up to be offended by.

So I want to make a Lost and the Damned army with some guardsmen and cultists devoted but nurgle FW. So while the DV cultists work well for a nurglite army, I got some guardsmen and after assembling the CCS I say I have no idea for a conversion. Any help?


Btw anyone has some opinion on AK 186 paint stripper? Some models I got are painted pretty poorly.

>>51624608
Don't mention that Anon here.

>>51624597
The Eldar are still Eldar Anon.

And I wasn't talking about Aeldari, was I? That's stupid, but the Ynnari are just another flavour of Eldar. You can call them the Reborn if you like, too.

>>51624100
Are you seriously arguing that T4 1W for 35 points is cheese? Or that 250 point vehicle that can't even take Armoured Ceramite is cheese? Literally what isn't cheese in that case?

>>51624610
>make entire game to cater to legionfags
>get half way through the legions
>start making new, non-legion armies that are more powerful than legion armies
>make new non-legion army specifically designed to shit on legion armies
No shit people are pissed about Custodes. FW's HH has been a steadily worsening shitheap, and the new revelation that they're intentionally making shit more OP as they go doesn't really help matters.

Can someone post the scout sprue? I want to make an all scout force CAD, and I want to know just how possible it is. Can scouts bring enough AT? Melee? Shooting?

>>51624635
Oh, I fucked up. Meant for >>51624608.

For Nurgle LatD, maybe look into sprinkling some bits from AoS Nurgle stuff in there?

>>51624634
It's a reference to the Riptide TEQ pasta.

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I actually have all this random crap to field this funlist

But now that I look at it, I realize it's probably not that bad

>>51623772
Im not even big into warhammer rage, but I play orks.

Its seriously time for GW to clean house on its fucking dev team, what is going on?

>>51624608

It's Ynarri, I just didn't bother remembering the whole stupid name. I'm not even mad, anon. It's just silly and thus deserves to be made fun of ruthlessly until GamesWorkshop(tm) get their shit together.

Just be thankful I'm not the "aeldari more like gaydari" anon :^)

>>51624627

Yes, yes, but I wouldn't be shitposting about the name if it didn't come at the same time as 1024234 other names.

Also fuck GW for introducing another useless Eldar faction before giving me dinosaurs with frickin' lasers on their heads aka Codex: Exodites

>>51624651
Exodites make no sense as it stands. They just live on their Amish-Eldar planets and only fight if someone comes there.

There's no reason for the army to exist unless the Exodites decide they're going to take the fight to their enemies.

>>51624648
well you'll certainly be getting around the table

>>51624648
four factions in a list below 2k you absolute madman

>>51624681
What you're actually taking is far more important than how many factions you're taking. That list isn't remotely close to WAAC.

>>51624648
>CAD for the scions
>not running Ground Assault Formation using the exact same units.
Please use the formation, it's painful looking at that CAD.
BTW the rules are every time the scions disembark they gain twin linked and/or something like that.

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>>51624648
>no special weapons
>no upgrades whatsoever except on the Tempestor Prime
>plasma pistol/power fist combo RRREEEEEEEEE

>>51624666

>Custodes who haven't left the Golden Throne in 10,000 years can be fielded in 40k
>entire faction of Tau who don't have warp tech and have never left their tiny, itsy bitsy chunk of the galaxy and therefore haven't run into most factions
>Grey Knights, the dedicated anti-Daemon chapter, can fight any army and waste their time killing non-psychic Tau apparently
>Deathwatch same as above

And Exodites are the ones who don't make sense? Just give them a rule like the DE have, except instead of "always plays Attacker in scenarios" have it be always defender.

>>51623875
>Funny ork letter writing campaign.

Dear Mr Rountree I recently purchased an ork gorkanauht and it seems when my gorkanaut shipped they misplaced its super heavy walker rules and is no longer immune to all but the strongest enemy munitions. What is your refund policy for defective models?

Please advise.

>>51624706
Those bother me too, Anon. Why do you think I only care when it comes to Exodites?

If the Rubric was supposed to make Thousand Sons psykers that survived even more powerful, why are 30K Thousand Sons so much better than 40K Sons?

>>51624596
kek

>>51624646
My first idea were gas masks for guardsmen but I can't seem to find a good source for those. Also already assembled my CCS. I was hoping for some greenstuff ideas, apart from a blob with some holes on pauldrons and armor.

>>51624732

Fair point anon, but Exodites make more sense than most of those. Anyone can invade an Exodite world. Not anyone can just run into the GK by mistake.

>>51624773
How hard did you look?

http://bitsofwar.com/home/30-chem-trooper-heads.html

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>>51624796
>3rd party
Also as I said I already modeled some guardsmen so it will just look silly if the desciples (bodyguards of the arch demagouge) are bare faced when EVERYONE ELSE is using one.

>>51624837

>disciples are so devoted they don't even need and/or want gas masks

problem solved

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>>51622863
>Models gotta have a BS.

No, they don't.

>>51624736
Because FW actually put some thought into designing 1k Sons from the ground up rather than phoning it in, plus their rules weren't written by a Space Wolf fanboi.

>>51624837
>anti-3rd party fags
I thought all you morons committed Sudoku when Chapterhouse won.

>>51624877
Add kroot hounds to that list as well

>>51624877
He's got a BS. It's 0, but it's there.

>>51624868
Guess that could work. Gonna add some more nurgle corruption to them, maybe some to the face too. Thanks anon.

>>51624875
yeah but hillary was a shill who deserved to die
t. militant far left

>>51624888
I like a lot of the way 30K handled the Sons, but there are still some pretty massive issues. Brotherhood of Psyker interactions with Biomancy and Divination can be pretty OP, and Magnus is just stupid.

>>51624893
>Chapterhouse won

Is that why they're so successful these days?

>>51624912

You're welcome, anon. Post pics in /40kg/ when done.

>>51623246
>It's not much of a leap to think the Orks would get a similar treatment.

This is the same GW that in a Twitch streamed game with Orks laughed about how shit they were. The same GW that threw in jokes about how shit Ork rules were in the FAQ. The same GW who decided to bring out a new flyer for Orks that, against all odds, managed to be WORSE than our existing options.

It's exactly that much of a leap to think Orks would get a similar treatment because there is no evidence from GW that they even understand the problems with Orks, let alone having any idea what to do with them. There's no-one left on the development team who actually knows what Orks should be like. Hell, when our best remaining option is Phil fucking Kelly, the same guy who gave us the 5th ed codex that was widely considered in the Ork community to be blander than the codex it replaced, you know we're in dire straits.

What's chapter house?

>>51624877
>>51624904
Add all of the other dogs to that list. They have BS 0 because they don't have any guns, and couldn't fire gun placements on buildings, because they're weird dog things.

Celestine isn't a weird dog thing, and isn't an Ork, so she's gonna have a BS of at least 4. She's a legendary level HQ, so a BS of 5 is reasonable. Her WS is 7, so making it match is also reasonable, since anything beyond 5 is also not too helpful a lot of the time.

She has high BS because she can shoot guns well, even if she doesn't carry one.

Should a Chapter master in terminator armor with two lightning claws also have a BS of 0? Does he forget how to fire guns while he isn't holding one?

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>>51624827
>wether you like admit it or not, 40k is pretty god dam /pol/ tier

What people don't understand is that 40k is steeped in satire. It's based on the political woes of 80s Britain taken to the dark, humorous extreme. The Imperium may be a right-winger's wet dream but it started out as a piss-take of the Conservative party and Thatcher's draconian policies, wrapped up in fantasy and sci-fi tropes. Even Space Marines started a parody, "white knights" taken to their logical extreme.

Nowadays that satire is less pronounced but it's still funny to see people miss the point entirely and actually root for the thing.

>>51624947
A third party studio that made replacements for GW shit and proxies for rules that didn't have models. GW took them to court and lost.

1d4 actually has the case covered fairly well.

>>51624945
Gonna post them, but Im waiting for my paint remover atm.
Thank Nurgle its so easy to convert anything to him, just greenstuff with holes.

>>51624949
I (kroot hound guy) simply said that since I was stating which models had no BS.
I think celestine having 7 is a bit much, but I agree, 4 was minimum and I thought she would get 5, maybe 6 at most, not that it matters really.

>>51624947
Chapterhouse Studios. 3rd party bits manufacturer. GW sued them a couple years back. The trial was a shitshow (GW's legal team went full retard), and the end result was pretty much all of GW's complaints getting thrown out and a minor slap on the wrist for Chapterhouse.

>>51624941
The lawsuit was an abject failure for GW. Chapterhouse apparently slowly dying afterwards is irrelevant.

>>51624982
>abject failure

Copyright Claims
160 claims alleged against CHS
-GW won on 1/3 of the claims, including items such as CHS' Powerfists
-CHS won on 2/3 of the claims, including the use of the underlying shape and size of GW Shoulderpads.

General Trademark Claims
9 claims alleged against CHS
-CHS won all 9 claims, including either no infringement, or fair use of the GW trademarks on CHS' website.

Disputed Trademark Claims
21 disputed trademark claims alleged against CHS
CHS won 11 claims
GW won 10 claims

GW Trademarks ruled "Previously Used in Commerce" Claims
61 claims alleged against CHS
CHS won 35 claims
GW won 27

Notable Trends and Individual Products Under Dispute
CHS lost on some individual products including:
-Doomseer
-Dark Elf Arch Tortress

CHS won on some individual products including:
-Jetbike
-Super-heavy walker model
-Lizard Ogre

Damages Awarded:
CHS ordered to pay GW damages of $25,000 USD

Chapterhouse dying is ENTIRELY related to the lawsuit.

>>51623772

The one bit of good news is that its range is only 12", meaning it can't kill models beyond that distance. Usually the Tide will be really spread out, which should minimize casualties.

It's still fucking ridiculous though and yet another anti-horde weapon added into the game.

Those of you who play Imperial Guard, do you use Special Weapons teams? I've got enough bits to make three plasma gunners and three melta gunners and about 20 flamethrowers and I was wondering what to do with them.

>Campaign is called The Gathering Storm
>Idly wondering whether the next installment will be called The Storm Breaks or something along those lines
>Suddenly realize that the Stormcast in Age of Sigmar literally have that as their motif

It all suddenly adds up.

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pls no ban I am sorry janitor-san. But thank you for actually purging stupid shit like you should.

>>51625039
They are a match made in heaven for the Vendetta. If I actually use them, meltaguns are the go-to, or demo charges if I'm feeling especially manly
Plasma at BS3 5+ is kind of a waste of points, really.

>>51625000

That shit all amounts to three fifths of five eights of fuck all. The important part of the Chapterhouse case was that GW was told they couldn't claim copyright over models they don't actually produce. Which lead directly to GW pushing out a bunch of quick codices where rules were ONLY provided if a model existed. This was a radical departure for GW and a massive blow to them.

So yes, it was an abject failure.

>>51625061
i honestly wish the mods would ban the age of emperor shit posters instead of /pol/

>>51625084
well, what if they're right?

>>51625006
Eldar's can easily get in your face. At that point, 12" is a lot of Orks, even spread out, and whatever's in WILL be destroyed.

This is a classic case of GW forgetting that certain rules exist. Even without a Green Tide, this power shits on horde armies, the weakest armies in the game in the first place.

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Here's my 2cool4school ork list ima field tomorrow

and today I learned that Battle Wagons dont have guns unless you pay for them

>>51625105
being right isn't their intention, they simply want others to feel the pain they feel for losing their shitty game.

>>51625105
they're not and we know they're not
>inb4 well yeh but wut if????

>>51624568
Mob rule is rolled every turn, even the opponents. Rolling a 1 makes the unit tears itself apart, 2-4 the unit runs away, 5-6 they hit each other.
No more furious charge.
Vehicles lose armor values on the facing being shot at, even if they can't penetrate it.
Orkanaughts are too strong, increase point size, make them nessesary in all formations and reduce the hull points down to three.

>>51625118
pray you get first turn m8

>>51625127
>>51625119
well, I was just asking
no need to get so salty,

>>51625131
in exchange an ork unit with 10 models or more may may make d3 how attacks on the turn they charge, at the expense of dropping to I1

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New player here that is looking for an army perfect for my play style. I know a decent bit of the lore since I like to read up on lore bits, but I have never played before and wanna try it out. So, which army is perfect for a mobile ranged type of play style? I've been told that necrons and tau fit this area, but I was wondering if there are other options and which is the best option for mobile range?

>>51624946
>because there is no evidence from GW that they even understand the problems with Orks,

Orks body bad players, GW devs charge out of rhinos.

Thats the heart and soul of the issue, orks are intimidating as hell for new or weak players to fight thats all the GW dev team is and justifying it with 'Play how you want." or "Forge a narrative." isnt cutting it anymore because of insane power imbalance.

You literally have the fox in charge of the hen house, and when he cant get enough hens he makes a psychic power give every ork in the green tide a str 4 hit.

Dont worry dat ork psychic defense and KFF will help weather the storm, or wait no they wont.

My friend is new to the game old to the fluff. Loves Thousand Sons and I have no experience playing chaos as I am a lowly necron player.

Whats the general unit choices besides the obvious(scarab,exhaled,rubric) for him to start out with in the Chaos Space Marine codex?

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>>51625079
Actually, I told a little lie. I have two melta gunners and the bits to make a third, but I don't have enough guardsmen to form a squad around them. Gonna try running this next weekend if I can get a game. Just barely managed to scrape together all these models.
fuck I forgot to include my basilisk

>>51625155
tau is good mobile range, though running too many riptides will make people stop playing with you, crons are ranged but a bit slow.
Eldar are ranged and mobile and so is IG and MT.
If you are bothered putting the effort in, d-99/elysians are really mobile but are a forgeworld only army and rely on flyer spam, some people may not play u, but they're still good.
Ask any questions anon, most of us are here to help. Also remember to ignore memes and hate towards certin factions, though I must warn that eldar are really OP right now due to the new buff they just got.

>>51625164
rubrics are shit, only take them for tax and never buff them.

>>51624958
Except I think you've missed a point here. It certainly WAS satire, but that satire has quite clearly fallen away completely in favour of things being taken at their face value.

>>51625197
I think Tau sound good for me, I like muh robots and they are mobile ranged. What's a good way to start out with them?

But why GW hates orks?
They (orks, not gw) just awesome, light of humor in grimdarkness.
But we get only shit-tier rules for amazing models and schizoid books about Beast.
God, why?

>>51625237
First you have to decide whether you want to play farsight enclaves or regular tau.
FSE (Farsight enclaves) gets xv8s as troops and is a lot more mobile with less units that are more powerful.

>>51625237
Start Collecting box. No, really. It comes with everything you need, and it's such insanely good value that you can quickly build up a sizeable force with it alone.

>>51625260
would not recommend for a FSE force, better options available

>>51625238
Any Chambers left, we have no GW champion.

Welcome to NPC status and phoned in rules, when we get them.

Wouldnt be so bad if we didnt have things like ramshackle which could not have been mathematically properly tested even once its interactions with mob rule are so devastating.

>>51625216
helpful

>>51625238

Like I've been saying for ages, there's no-one left on the rules team who actually likes Orks.

Read codices like Eldar, Ad Mech or GSC. You can feel the love from whoever wrote them. These were books written by someone who loves those armies, the way they fight, their background, everything. Their passion comes through in the rules.

Then look at a codex like Tyranids. Written by a self-confessed tread-head. The codex feels like something that someone was handed and told "This is due on Friday, get it done". There's no passion. There's no love, no attention to detail. Just a boring rehash pushed out by someone doing it for a paycheck, because they were told to do it, not because they wanted to.

Orks are in the same boat. And there's no sign that anything is going to change.

>>51625164
Thousand Sons are shit. If he's going to run Rubrics, he's going to need either 2x5 Rubric Marines for a CAD OR 1x5 Rubric Marines and 1x5 Scarab Occult for a War Cabal OR 3x5 Scarab Occult for a Sekhmet Conclave. From there, he'll need a couple Sorcerers for HQ's and to actually do something worthwhile. He'll need to pick something to bulk out his numbers. Cultists, Tzaangors (if going for the Warherd as part of a Grand Coven), or Pink/Blue/Brimstone Horrors for Daemon Allies. Finally, he'll need some ranged fire support. FW has some good options for a CAD (Fire Raptor, Helblade, Rapier Batteries, Sicaran).

>>51625285
can't tell if this is sarcasm, but they are really bad, pick up only enough to fill out taxes for formations, i've heard the terminators are decent, or at least better than the rubrics.

>>51625238
Because Orks are an NPC race. They don't have anything to give to the big story going on around them.
They also aren't good guy enough to be treated like the tau, who can't effect the big story, but are the techy underdogs.

Even orcs in fantasy were shit on with most of their lords being killed already in some age old battle.

Unless Ghazghkull flies his hulk to the eye of terror in search of the big waaagh Gork and Mork told him about, they're just going to fade away into obscurity and be replaced with rat hrud.

Anyone have an imgur of the new space elf rules?

>>51625237

5 Riptides.

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Hi brethren, what are your thoughts on my list? Too fluffy not killy?

>>51625311
>>51625291
If hes just interested in casual games is he gonna get blown up?

even if they are bad what should I tell him to suppliment with outside Thousand Sons specific units

>>51625352
http://imgur.com/a/dbR41

>>51625279
What other options are there?

>>51622126

Do you 'have' to attack in close combat? Raw that is? If a single Eldar Guardian charges... Sone genestealers, can they opt not to attack?

>>51625364
Just have him fight Orks and nids.

>>51625279
Since when did he say he wanted to play Farsight?

Also, you're wrong. Even if you buy the box for the suits alone, you get the FWs and Ethereal for literally pennies. You can easily flip them for a profit online.

>>51625259
This isn't first at all.
You can decide to play farsight list to list, detachment to detachment, as the models are identical. Only real reason not to play farsight though is that some units cost 1ppm more.

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>>51625260
>>51625259
>>51625398
So I should just get this? Or are there other options that might be better for a beginner? Or better options for a cost benefit ratio?

>>51625364
>If hes just interested in casual games is he gonna get blown up?
Mostly. Pure Thousand Sons are really, really bad outside the meme-tier Rehati War Sect and Disc Sorcerer spam. Like Ork tier bad. Everything costs a ton, doesn't actually have much offensive output, and is only kinda durable for the cost.

It's definitely not an army that I would recommend for a beginner.

>even if they are bad what should I tell him to suppliment with outside Thousand Sons specific units
Daemons. Lots of Tzeentch daemons. Luckily, Tzeentch Daemons are super strong right now, especially if you're crazy enough to play with RaW Split rules.

Unfortunately, Codex: Chaos Space Marines is still garbage (Traitor Legions only really helps a couple legions), so it doesn't have much capable of off-setting how shitty TSons are.

>>51625286
The writers love the Eldar Codex? Maybe the crunch writers, but have you actually read its fluff? I think Craftworld Eldar are the one codex where the faction loses basically all its fights in its own Codex.

That being said I do feel for orkbros and nids. Its tough

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>>51625411
Buy it, it's good.

>>51625425
>The writers love the Eldar Codex? Maybe the crunch writers, but have you actually read its fluff?

Fuck off eldar fag, you sound like a rich little bitch complaining about the colour of the new car daddy just replaced the old new car with.

>>51625391
Eh, TSons, especially Rubricae-based lists, struggle with horde armies. You'd be better off having him fight other shit-tier MEQ armies. GK, BA, BT, etc.

>>51625286
Then why are Orruks good?

>>51625423
Which legions are good from the legion updates?

>>51625411
Yeah. It saves you a bunch of cash and gives you a way to field your shit right out of the box.

Your other most cost-effective way of getting in is buying (preferably splitting with a friend) the Kill Team box. For this you get only a squad of Fire Warriors, but it also comes with a softback rulebook, so it saves you having to buy it yourself (when you do get one, look online for one of these, since the hardback from GW is retardedly overpriced). That'll give you a force you can play some Kill Team with and get a basic idea of what the game is like.

>>51625325
Actually in fantasy Orcs and Goblins were mean. They destroyed several of the Dwarven Karaks permanently, wiped out an 11nth of the Empire pemanantly, invaded Ulthuan and such. Orcs and Goblins in Fantasy got shit done compared to their 40k equivalents who never achieve shit.

Ghazghkull in particular is a terrible character, its impossible to take him seriously since he's literally never even managed to win a single battle against Space Marines, not even mook-marines from no-name chapters like Grukk did.

Shit I'd love if GW started treating the non-Imperium races the way they treated Orcs and Goblins from Fantasy, at least then they'd feel threatening for a change

I think the way Fantasy and 40k dealt with NPC races was very different. Fantasy at least still gave NPC races enough major wins to make them be a threat, 40k makes it look like NPC races just don't ever do anything but die.

>>51625445
I think is mistake. They just not check rules on Shit-O-Test machine.