Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1328: DON'T LOSE YOUR WAY Edition

First for not shitposting about Dragon Ball?

>>51582021
Second for not posting about Dragonball, even if it's just for one thread.

why is this at the bottom

oh. sorry, wont bump again

Last thread died, we this thread now. Next one is 1329

>>51587952
You dense motherfucker.

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>>51587960
1330. Chill. Have a catgirl.

>>51587952
Next is 1330 if we're counting properly.
I know we've already lost count over a dozen times, but the closer the better.

Whoever makes the next one should remember to link both of the last two threads for archival purposes though.

>>51582021
>>51582040
This is retroactively hilarious.

>>51582040
How do I become a Legendary Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan?

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>>51587982
To be fair, we're probably somewhere between +20-40 off over the years of fucking up the number in the OP.

Are we posting in this thread, or should I make #1329?

I've got it ready to post, but if we're using this one then I can just not.

How does the Sins of a Solar empire Jump work anyway, What am I doing do with my CP on the station and do I even get to keep it afterwards?

>>51588025
Nah no need to waste a thread. This one doesn't seem to be going anywhere anyways. It's only managed to avoid deletion for 4 hours or so.

>>51588025
We're posting in this thread.

>>51588015
Is that a real thing?

I can't even tell anymore.

>>51588036
>>51588037
Alright, closing it out then.

>>51588015
A Legendary Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is a Saiyan with the power of a god going Super Saiyan so I assume finding some way to go Super Saiyan 2 while having the power of a god.

>>51588015
To get Legendary you need to SUCC Broly.
SSGSS involves ritualistic saiyan hand holding to achieve the God ki. I suppose you could get the last G by being a God from somewhere else. Maybe a Kai in a different DBZ jump? Although you might just shortcut to SSR.

Rolled 7 (1d8)

Rolling from the full list (1d731)
1)Pacific Rim (483)
2)Halo (314)
3)Dresden Files (177)
4)Vampire: The Requiem (686)
5)Digital Devil Saga (155)
6)Animal Crossing (28)
7)Darkstalkers (138)
8)Origin Spirits of the Past (477)

>>51588020
fact-checking will ruin this thread

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>>51588092
Kanons confirmed Pat

>>51588147
perfect

How would the First Magic compare to a Kai's Creation ability?

>>51588322
First Magic can do more, but it takes time, where as Kai's Creation ability is innate.

>>51588322
First magic is skill based and costs almost nothing to use however it takes for fucking ever to actually get to the good stuff. It's also Magic and technically summoning/actualization instead of creation. You can also do literally anything with enough practice even if it's prohibitively large amounts of said practice.

Kai stuff requires extensive training to actually get a handle on your Ki as well as even more training to get strong enough to do what you want. It's transmuting your Ki into things instead of creating matter ex nihilo so if you don't have enuff Ki you can't do what you want. I don't know if Kai's can do living things either, but I suppose it's not too much of a stretch to say they can.
Making things pre enchanted might be beyond them and I sincerely doubt you can do things like making noble phantasms. However antimatter to the face technique is totally valid.

I'd say that with arbitrary amounts of time First Magic will win out, but since gitting gud at Ki comes with a load of other benefits neither is strictly better than the other.

>>51588062

Is that actually how Super Saiyan Rose works?

Attempting to go SSGSS with a Kai's God ki instead of Saiyan God ki?

>>51588519
Just God Ki in general. Super Saiyan Blue is Blue because it's mortals obtaining the power of a god, where as Rose is a god obtaining the power of a god.

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World of Cultivation Jump 071:
CP: 1000
Drawback:
Voices in My Head [+100]
Zombie Face [+100]
Birds Die for Food [+200]
Stars in the Daytime [+400]
Location: Cloud Sea Jie
Origin: Drop-In
Perks:
Read the Land [Free]
Ling Farming Techniques [-100]
Ling Breeding [-200]
Ling Infusion [-300]
Flesh Carving [-400]
Gear:
Sun Shen Tree [-300]
Ling Vien Seed [-300]
Ling Grains [Free]

Bring in the Battalion! [-300]:

Basic Cultivation Method (30 Cultivation Points) [Kissing the Face of Life]
- Focus
-- Enhancement [Free]
-- Control [-5]
-- Sword [-5]
-- Body [-5]
-- Mind [-5]
- Effect
--Permanent Tempering [Free]
-- Script [3]
- Special Cultivation Methods
-- Meditation [Free]
-- Automatic Tempering [-5]
- Aesthetics
-- Permanent Marking (Progress in Cultivation Method darkens skin until darkly tanned) [-1]
-- Permanent Marking (Progress in Cultivation Method lightens hair until white) [-1]

http://pastebin.com/q3SctKYS

>>51588519
Sorta looks like it from the discription. Cheer you go! http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_Ros%C3%A9

>>51588554

... So for example if I went in as a Kai in AF then became a Saiyan in DBM, I would obtain Super Saiyan Rose?

I wonder how the reverse would turn out? Becoming a Saiyan first and then a Kai?

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>>51588519
>Super Saiyan Rose
What's tha-

Oh God. That fucking hair sucks. And I really wanted to take Apotheosis, too.

>>51588597
Yeah, pretty much. That's technically what Zamasu did, starting out as a Kai and then possessing a Saiyan (Goku).

Probably nothing.

>>51588618

That's what shapeshifting perks are for bro.

>>51588635

I mean. You might get Super Saiyan Blue instead?

>>51588663
Why? With Rose, you're starting off with God ki, so that's how you get it. But if Kai is your origin, then you were always a Kai. You're not a mortal that reached godhood, you were just born as a god.

>>51588663
I don't think shapeshifting would work. It's not a real hair color, it's an expression of a magic supermode. So your ultimate final form would be you with bubblegum hair.

>>51588663
So the primary colors are covered, are the next couple levels of SSJ going to be secondary colors? Orange is probably a miss because it's too close to yellow, but how about green and purple?

Wait, have we already had a green level of saiyan? Did I miss that?

>>51588322
Well, they both reveal you for being a filthy cretin, so about equal.

>>51588696
Aesthetics perks?

>>51588699
Broly's green-ish.

>>51588699
green is Legendary Super saiyan after Broly gets mad enough.

>>51588694
Well if you take Apotheosis, presumably you're not a Kai. You may have been a mortal who found some way to gain godhood.

>>51588699
Legendary Super Saiyan is green. Kinda.

>>51588694

I'm not saying the form would be Rose.

I'm saying starting as a Saiyan in one DB jump then becoming a Kai in another could lead to Super Saiyan Blue.

Because you would be a mortal with God power rather than an actual God. Like Goku and Vegeta.

>>51588713
>Aesthetics perks?
Like what?

>>51588696
Use Toggle to turn off your God Ki when you want to transform? So you get SSJ Blue instead?

>>51588734
Themed powers in Skullgirls is a good one.

>>51588716
Well sure, but you still have God ki. The requirement is "You have God ki before becoming a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan".

>>51588731
But you wouldn't be, because if you took Kai, then you were always a Kai in-jump. You were never not a Kai. You are, in fact, an actual god. I mean, if it was like that, you could just skip being a saiyan and just take the Kai origin as yourself.

>>51588322
The First Magic is significantly better. However, it requires a phenomenal amount of training time to create complex things. It can manifest things like Noble Phantasms or extremely complicated magical constructs wholesale. In addition, you don't actually have to know how to make the thing in question because you're essentially summoning it and not actually making it. You simply need to have an idea of what you want and enough skill to summon it. The big limit is that the skill necessary to materialize the existence of a very large or very complicated thing is massive. You could make astoundingly powerful creatures and objects but it would take you thousands or millions of years.

A Kai's creation powers, however, are intuitive and are really restricted only by how much ki they've got and their knowledge of what they're trying to make. What you're doing is changing your ki into matter on a potentially massive scale. As a consequence, a Kai's ability basically has no real restrictions on it in terms of "skill" since they (presumably) have an instinctual grasp of what they're doing already. So they're really limited only by how much power they've got and the depth of their knowledge concerning what they're making. I don't believe that Kai can create magical stuff but they can transmute matter on an enormous scale if they're powerful enough. They can literally make whole planets using their ki, complete with flora and fauna. This requires no skill because it's an innate ability of the Kai but it almost certainly requires the Kai to know what they're doing.

>>51588748
Reading it, that sounds more like you get to pick a theme and powers that fall in that theme don't make people question them?

>>51588761

Oh.

Well in that case then I get your point.

>>51588777
I thought is was more like your powers can follow a theme and as long as they do people don't question them.
Can't say for certain unfortunately, but it makes sense to me.

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Rolled 1 (1d8)

Fuck it, more Stalwart Tiger, I already did some today but fuck it. I'm bored.

1.Madoka(Wraith Arc)
2.Kamen Rider Kabuto
3.Exalted:Mortals(Houserule:Keep Exalt based powers)
4.Blazblue
5.Ciel Nosurge
6.Star Wars:OT
7.White Knight Chronicles
8.Dragonball


Gonna need a replacement, if I don't roll Kamen Rider.

>>51588793
Either way, that doesn't sound like it would let you change the aesthetics of Super Saiyan Rose?

>>51588782
No worries, this shit is convoluted as hell.

>>51588804
Devil Survivor 1.

>>51588761
It might depend on how you're going Super Saiyan God/Rose. If you are in a Saiyan form and draw on god Ki from a Kai form you might go Super Saiyan Blue, and then if you are a Kai (or other god) that somehow goes Super Saiyan (like using it's power with Final Form for example) you might get Rose?

Who knows. It's probably just up to fanwank.

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>>51588804
>Madoka
Well....Fuck me sideways

>>51588806
Why do you hate me? Do you WANT me to go back to that war from SMT?
But fine, accepted.

>>51588705
Not him, but what?

>>51588811
Hmm...that's a good point, actually. Fused Zamasu had the same aura as the Super Saiyan Rose form despite being a Kai(-like being), so that sounds plausible.

>>51588815
The war from SMT? No silly, I'm not sending you back to that!

This is worse. SO much worse. Because you're right in the heart of enemy territory. The question is, will Tiger take the Bel perk out of pride and fight the mighty Bels? Or will he end up mentoring Abel in art of being a ruler? ...actually, that would be interesting to see.

>>51588849
Shitposter, ignore.

CAPTCHA, THAT IS A BUSH. THERE ARE NO STOP SIGNS THERE.

What's a good point conversion ratio for a customization table? I'm working on a jump for a mecha setting, and the mecha customization table is kind of ballooning out of control. Since I want to let people get a reasonable amount of goodies, I'm planning on making it a separate document with its own set of points to buy things with. But people should still have the option to blow all their CP on shiny technology if they really want to, so I want to make that available. So what ratio should I set it at? For context, it's pretty high-powered for a "real robot" mecha setting, around movie-era 00 Gundam but with more variety of technology available.

>>51588852
Well here's the thing, Tiger is at the end of the day, despite what he calls himself, an Emperor, not a King. He is willing to have Kings who rule under him, so long as they realize they ultimately serve him.
So mentoring Abel(whoever that is) is not exactly out of the picture.

And when I said "send me back" I was actually asking a question. I don't know if SMT and Desu1 are in the same continuity, because if they are then Tiger has already started a fucking MASSIVE war against Heaven and Hell, with his own Demons backing the Humans.

>>51588884
1-1 is standard. 1-2 is if you're feeling generous.
1-4 is if you're batshit insane like ancilla.

>>51588884
It really depends on how much you give to start with, how powerful the options are, how much more you want people to start with, and how you see the balance of CP spent in the main jump to CP spent on Mecha's.

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>>51588768
>They can literally make whole planets using their ki, complete with flora and fauna. This requires no skill because it's an innate ability of the Kai but it almost certainly requires the Kai to know what they're doing.

... uh... wha? Sorry, what's the actual difference between being skilled and knowing what you're doing in this context?

>>51588936
Skill is practice. Knowing is learning.
The difference between knowing how to balance knives on your fingers and being able to hotwire a car basically.

>>51588895
I want to be generous, because there's a lot of cool stuff to buy, but I think that might just be me pandering to myself. I want something like three quarters of the table, there's cool stuff on offer in this setting.

>>51588913
They're pretty powerful. Like I said, Awakening of the Trailblazer-era 00 Gundam. Hypersonic death machines with incredible durability and enough firepower to take on armies. But there's going to be a lot of good non-mecha stuff, too. Some pretty nice human-scale items, and while the perk tree is the part I've developed the least (technology porn is easy to write), there are going to be some useful things on tap. Lots of good tech and leadership stuff, still need to work out the Drop-In and Soldier trees. I'm thinking about maybe rejiggering the origins along different lines, though, have them be less about roles and more about ideologies. I don't know, like I said, that's the least developed part, tech porn keeps distracting me.

I think I'll do 1:1. That should make people less willing to dump everything into conversion, encourage buying perks. And, as a nice side effect, encourage me to make sure those perks are worth buying.

>>51588936
It's the difference between building a car and knowing how one works.

>>51588936
Knowing is having a working knowledge and skill is having practical experience I think. The difference between having read a book on a plumbing and being a plumbing expert with a few years under his belt. This >>51589046 is a decent example.

>>51588893
Okay, so quick explanation. SMT is a vast multiverse, and DeSu 1 is in one of the various universes aside from mainline SMT 1. DeSu 1's plotline will be explained in the intro, but all you need to know is that Abel is...well, he's called Kazuya, but he's the latest incarnation of THE Abel, as in, Cain and Abel. He also has a fragment of an ancient demon king inside of him, and he's forced into a war with other Bels for the Throne of Bel, the throne of Demons (except not really, because Lucifer's in charge now. They do have a court, though). The cast, and you, will be stuck in a Tokyo that is being invaded by the Legions of Hell in order for the Bels to win the war, conquer Earth, and kill God. The city is under lockdown, enforced by the angels and the Japanese government, with the threat of God bringing down the hammer if the lockdown is broken. This is reasonable because if the lockdown is broken, the Earth becomes Hell. So not a good idea.

Also, God's pretty cool here, this is pretty much the nicest version of him in the SMT multiverse. He's probably one of the actually cool Avatars of the Great Will.

>>51589059
Still, considering Tiger's History, on a scale of 1 to 10, how bad of an idea would it be to re-start his war?

>>51589075
"Re-start"? Oh, no, Justice, it's already happening. You're just along for the ride.

>>51588884
Don't bother gauging a ratio until you actually have all of the options laid out. Take a look at jumps from folks like Red, Ancilla, and Heavens, since they started the whole item customization thing and that will give you a good foundation to work with. Make builds to see what you like and dislike and adopt.

>>51589087
...Like I said, Tiger turned the 2-way war of "Hell vs Heaven" into a 3-way war of "Hell vs Heaven vs Humanity backed by Tiger".
How bad of an idea would it be for him to kick THAT off again, empowering humans, and using his own Demons to fight both Demon and Angel.

>>51589075
10. God can just blow up the planet if he really wants to. He doesn't want to, because he loves humanity, but if it comes to saving the world and saving the universe, he's going to save the universe. Besides, you're kind of a small fry, here. For reference, Nyarlathotep is a demon in this game. He's weaker then the Day 8 final bosses.

Also, you are literally surrounded by your enemies, and if we go by SMT 2's Metatron to Archangels, Belberith is stronger then the final bosses of SMT 1, the big boys who smacked you around.

>>51589106
See above. It would end with you being stomped into the ground once the big players decide to intervene.

>>51589106
Not him, but...

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you like being smote by the lightning of motherfucking Zeus?

>>51589106
Very badly. DeSu YHWH is one of the few things keeping the world from being destroyed, mess with him enough and an angel will pull the trigger because he can.

>>51589106
No, I get that. I'm saying that's already happening in Devil Survivor. It's already Hell vs Heaven vs Humanity.

>>51589145
Technically, for most of the main game it's Hell vs Heaven and some Humans vs other Humans.

You know, because the government is working for the Angels.

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>>51587760
>his final form is not, in fact, Zarya

>>51588062
>SUCC Broly

Oh, is that what they're calling it these days?

>>51581783
Drawbacks: The Jumper Saga, Chain Breaker, Is It Something You Eat? Stop Cheating! (1500)

Hermit, human, age 19 (1500)

Leaf in the Water (Free)
Importance of Control (1400)
Stone In A River (1200)
All Is One (900)
Ox Outfit (Free)
Devil, Devil, Man (300)
Water of Life (0)

I am literally a crazy hobo who lives in the mountains and rambles about how space demons are trying to turn the world's greatest warriors evil as part of a science experiment that may or may not be the inspiration for Scientology, if Scientology exists in the DBZverse. That does not, however, make me incorrect or insane even though I have every right to be from the sheer shock of human being the most pragmatic incarnation here. Credit where it's due, I did give Name-er, "demon" some serious consideration.

But yeah. I just sort of train up there outside the sight of polite society, until inevitably Dumplin blunders in through the timeline to battle Towa and Mira. He's a small majin destined to become a pot-addled dark horror. I'm a cosmic entity disguised as a teenage ascetic with bad table manners. Together, we fight time crime!

Actually wait-I get ONE visitor: Goku. Because sometimes I make the Hotpot of Life, which is good for the ki. And also delicious.

He asked me if I know any special attacks. I told him I do not: The Way of the Gag does not permit special attacks. Be one with the gag. Let the gag flow through you. Master the gag, and the gag will make you one with the gagverse.

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Aw, fuck. I got the links mixed up didn't I.

Oh well. Too late to stop now!

>>51581805
Drawbacks: The Saga Continues, Four Stars! Broly When? Buu Who? Only the Strong Survive, Dark Seekers, Rival, Jumper Owned Count, Mr. Jumper (2000)

Space Agent, Earthling, age 26

Hidden Power (Free)
Ki Training (Free)
Looking For Trouble (Free)
Bow, Scum (Free)
Marvels of Science (1800)
Instant Transmission (1500)
Apotheosis (900)
Jumper 01 (300)
Blaster (Free)
Scouter (Free)
Big Gete Star Microchip (+300, 0)

Something really, really weird happened in between this jump and the previous one.

I'm not sure how Earthlings were able to muster up a space agent, so I can only assume in this timeline Capsule Corp teamed up with NASA to accelerate the space program. I also assume something went terribly wrong when they tried to rewire conventional rocket science into capsule technology, and I was warped through time and space into colliding with the Big Gete Star's microchip, which gradually transformed me into a cyborg until I survived reentry into the Yardrats' planet.

What I ABSOLUTELY don't get is why Super Ningen Machine-God is now a thing.

I guess the logical outcome of all this is for all humans to experience an unprecedented technological leap just from preliminary scans of my new form. There's probably also a big fad for martial arts now that the idea of Super Ningen's out there.

...at least Goku's thrilled about it. I'm just. Sitting here stunned at how much can change between a coexistent background between two jumps. It's all still. Sinking in.

I guess there's one upside to this: Apparently Earth legit has the best food in Universe 7. Which is kind of sad, but still-at least I've got SOMETHING meaningful to do between battles. Well, that and what is effectively part time Time Patrolling.

>>51581805
>Ki Deficient [+200] – One of the most important aspects of being in this world, and you’re absolutely tapped dry of it. Ki and internal energy reserves just don’t work for you, and spiritual power completely slips through your fingers. I hope you have some way to compensate...or to hide from the stronger foes.
Does this drawback stop you from using magic as well as Ki? Mainly wondering about magics that use internal mana?

>>51589459
I think internal mana would fall under "and internal energy reserves".

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>>51588804
Madoka(Wraith Arc)- I just want you to know, I HATE you after what you put me through last time.
0/1800
Rolled for 13
Gentle Soul- Ammy what are you? Nevermind, go ahead. I trust you.
Free Your Soft Smile
Free Nothing Special- "Lies, Tiger and Humble shouldn't exist in the same sentence"....You're not wrong Raven.
Discount Small but Strong
Discount Don't Give Up!- So long as I live and I have an Empire to rule, I will never give in.
Discount Hidden Power
Discount Becoming Hope- I've oft spoken of my right to rule, but never to be forgotten is my Duty to those I rule.
Incubation of the Soul- I have long lacked my own Exalted, and this is...similar in method to the creation of Infernals. But I refuse this cycle, and these Witches. Should their soul gems go too far, they will return to being Mortal.
No Thank You!- I've made two deals in the past. One ended with my seeking to kill them, the other....I'm not sure yet. I will not make a third. Thank you Ammy.
Free Hair Ribbon
It's Okay To Smile- Hello Little one, what's your name? "Yuuki"

Welcome To My World+600- I AM STALWART TI-...No. No I'm not. Stalwart Tiger died, perhaps longer ago than I like to think. ...I Am The Imperator Infinita. Primordial.
Hexed+200- An annoyance.


OOC:This took a WHILE because I had to think a lot about several different things in making this build. Fuck this build took two fucking hours because of it. But Tiger is more introspective than usual due to his time in Nanoha, and more thankful for the presence of his friends.

>>51589658
>But I refuse this cycle, and these Witches. Should their soul gems go too far, they will return to being Mortal.
Can you actually reverse the process like that?

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>>51589306
>>51589329
Just noticed the Tree of Might for CP is kinda shit, reasonable because the actual Tree of Might was Movie Bullshit (Seriously, whilst Power levels are bullshit the fruit of the Tree of Might from the Movie pushed Turles' PL of ~19K to >300K).I'd prefer it if the Tree did like the Water of Life from Dragonball, being great for the body and the soul but the Ki boost being temporary. Just my opinion,

>>51589675
At the end of the jump you can choose to make your perk-version of Incubation end like that.

Rolled 6 (1d8)

>>51589658
Fuck it, that build took two hours, and it's almost time to go to bed, and I've done five builds today.
But let's try for one more.

Gonna need two replacements, because I apparently forgot to replace White Knight Chronicles after I did that jump.

1.Devil Survivor 1
2.Kamen Rider Kabuto
3.Exalted:Mortals(Houserule:Keep Exalt based powers)
4.Blazblue
5.Ciel Nosurge
6.Star Wars:OT
7.White Knight Chronicles
8.Dragonball Z

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>>51589730
>Tiger goes to Star Wars
Well, this'll be fun.

>>51589730
I haven't been following this chain, have you been to Geneforge yet with it? Other than that, I would suggest Half Life.

>>51589773
He has been to neither, I'll take both.

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>>51589329
>Big Gete Star Microchip (+300, 0)
Wait what? Shouldn't you have either a Recovery Pod or a Blutz Wave Collector as your 300CP discounted item Garlock-Anon? The Metal Cooler thing is a Drop-In 600.

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>>51589730
Star Wars:Original Trilogy- Wait, you're telling me this Emperor abuses his subjects? FUCK THAT! To Rule is to have a Duty to your people! I'm over throwing him.
0/1200
Royalty-Obviously
Force Sensitive- Never pass up Sorcery
Rolled for 28
Human
Location is Homeworld
Free For The Alliance!
Discount Declaration Of Rebellion
Force Freebies
Tutaminis
Free Signature Outfit
Free Credits
Discount A Familiar Lightsaber
Warehouse Freebies
Free Imports

---------
Ship-
0/800
Ship Freebies
Medium Class
Upgrade Passenger Bunks
Class 0.5 Hyperdrive
Upgrade Dual Laser Cannons, make them Repeating
Laser Cannon Turret
Military Grade Deflector Shields
---------

Haunted+200- Go away

Not much to say here, mostly because I'm tired as hell. Just know that Ammy will attempt to learn how to Hack, for the hell of it.

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Question for Mardukth about the Sburb jump: If someone were to set up a pseudo-Grail War system during the session would there be any forces interfering with it?

>>51589873
Oh, the second cost is meant to be the net CP after all cost deductions. So right after Jumper 01 I have 300 CP, and then I added the 300 CP stipend for a total of 600 CP. Which I paid for the Gete Star with.

>>51589680
Alright, I guess. I don't really know the tree very well at all so I can't say either way.

I'd imagine at the very least, eating the fruit would give you a massive boost for more extreme training for that one hour, though. Maybe you can do like Goku and uh, internalise the temporary surge of ki or something?

Personally I'm way more interested in making hotpot than actually doing exercise, though.

I probably won't need to do any per se during the DBZ jumps, but if I do feel like it I'd probably just wish the training into myself or something. I'm kinda debating whether it's worth using Dragonology and Artifactory to try and make my own (super) dragonballs, or just rely on my other forms of wish technology. On the one hand, having a pet dragon sounds neat. On the other hand, the splitting up thing seems quite inconvenient.

>>51589998
>If someone were to set up a pseudo-Grail War system during the session would there be any forces interfering with it?
Maybe Paradox Space? The multiverse is pretty dickish.

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>>51590277
Hmm. I'm thinking specifically more something akin to what Caster did to summon Fake Assassin, but backed with the full power of a Third Magic-empowered pseudo-Greater Grail in order to assign a number of Classpects to artificially constructed spirits instead of actual people.

All the Void ones, specifically.

Hey guys, so I've been thinking (super duper seriously) and wanted to understand something.

Where does "human" begin and end for you as a Jumper when looking at the multiverse?

As in, where's your personal threshold for a baseline level? I mean, a world like DC is quite simple to see it, but then a hop-skip-and-Jump away, One Piece takes that line and plays jump-rope with it.

The reason I'm asking is that I'm starting a Chain where I'm taking human characters and seeing where we would end by the time I figure that we're ready for an End Jump.

I've already got Busujima Saeko, Lara Croft, and Kinzie Kensington on the short list and looking for 1 more since I could only afford 4 pods.

>>51590535

When humans start being abnormal by that setting's standards for humans, that's where something else begins for me. Like Mutants in Marvel are technically not human by the strictest definition, despite basically being humans with superpowers. By comparison, humans in Naruto having superpowers or weird abilities is pretty standard all things considered, so all those people with bloodline limits and chakra are still human, even if it's abnormal compared to other settings' humans.

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>>51590327
Yeah, Paradox Space seems like the only force that would bother to do something (if it did something at all) in that case.

You don't have any instance of Doc Scratch trying to take control of your session to ensure that LE appears, and since you have no LE, the Horrorterrors won't probably do much. Specially if you're powerful enough, they don't want another asshole genociding them.

Maybe the Black Kingdom would try to do something? They're the bad guys of the game, after all.

>>51590535
For me the minute I took This Is, In Fact, My Final Form and started freely mixing and matching all my alt forms powers

For everyone else it's when they stop being recognizably human

>>51590535
Are we talking about humans as a species or as 'people'?

If the former, I usually recognize as humans what is considered as such in the setting. Sometimes that includes advanced cyborgs if they have developed together with the regular humans and are integrated in society.

If the latter, usually anything that isn't divine and can talk.

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>>51590535
>I've already got Busujima Saeko
I must have stroked out for a second because I read that as Benjamin Sisko

>>51590535
>1 good waifu out of 3
Eh, I've seen worse.

Does anyone know if Kryptonian Physiology in StAS is actual Kryptonian Physiology or just a collection of the perks stated? DCAU Superman feats are pretty far above the individual perks.

Is Nemesis a scaling threat, or something that fits DCAU like Lex Luthor?

Is drawback Lobo DCAU or comic?

Where is a good place to find something similar to Fine Control (at least for strength) outside of superman?

>>51590802
>Does anyone know if Kryptonian Physiology in StAS is actual Kryptonian Physiology or just a collection of the perks stated?

>Kryptonians and all derived super powers (Super Strength, Super Speed, Heat Vision, etc) are meant to be in line with what Kryptonians in the DCAU... which is wildly inconsistent at the best of times. When in doubt, fanwank something.

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*Ding*

Clarification to Archetype added.

The chances of it causing a mental recursion loop outside of your will to act that way is basically 0 outside of extreme outliers, like million to one odds. You'll be fine. Probably.

Although I forgot to add another clarification. Eh, I'll add it in tomorrow.

Basically, it takes a while for you to gain power from acting that way, but when you stop acting that way you don't lose all of your power. Basically, when you gain enough power your baseline grows, so that when you're not acting that way you're as strong as your new baseline rather than your original. And when you start acting like that again you increase in power back to your original strength way faster than it took to get there originally.

Hmm...

Guess I'm going to get that 20'th page used after all.

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>>51590535
This >>51590647 is an important consideration you have to resolve first.

>>51590998
Did you fix the problem with making all the old builds illegal somehow?

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>>51591049

>>51591086
Grandfather clause.

>>51591098
Humans can be monsters too.

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>>51590535
To be honest I don't really get all the philsophy about it. Humanity means different things in different settings. On baseline earth, it's just a taxonomical definition. In Lordran, Drangleic and New Londor it refers to a sort of elemental dark spirit. And in Creation it refers to a specific Essence-pattern designed for an efficient prayer battery species.

Ultimately, humanity's what you make of it. By and large, I view building an entire identity around it as futile simply because it's usually a very limited concept.

>>51591098
...though I am slightly disturbed that by the Major's defition, I AM more human than I'd care to admit.

>>51590635
I see, thanks.

One last question: Ages ago someone mentioned the idea of multiclassing in Sburb. Exactly how does that work?

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>>51591218
>One last question: Ages ago someone mentioned the idea of multiclassing in Sburb. Exactly how does that work?

>>51591189
Hellsing has a particular way of defining monster as being different from human, and you will either by one or the other. Either way though you have to give up being human to become a monster in Hellsing. Seras is a weak vampire for most of the series because she's trying to still be human while she's a monster. There is also something in Hellsing about humans being individuals, while monsters are beings that are not, Alucard in particular is an army of souls, and Anderson gives himself over to god, either way they are no longer just themself.

>>51591268
Well, in the next page the Major is also called a monster because he didn't actually had a good reason to strive for.

Since Alucard also came back, he was not 'human' enough to actually kill him.

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>>51589998
>Question for Mardukth about the Sburb jump: If someone were to set up a pseudo-Grail War system during the session would there be any forces interfering with it?
Underlings would come to fuck it up if you do it in-session, since messing with the players is their job. Might get the Dersites too, if they realize what it is.

Nothing that seems a problem for you.

>>51590327
>Hmm. I'm thinking specifically more something akin to what Caster did to summon Fake Assassin, but backed with the full power of a Third Magic-empowered pseudo-Greater Grail in order to assign a number of Classpects to artificially constructed spirits instead of actual people.
>All the Void ones, specifically.
Haha, no.

Your spirits are going to be created fine, but they won't get Classpects. They aren't players.

>>51591218
>One last question: Ages ago someone mentioned the idea of multiclassing in Sburb. Exactly how does that work?
See >>51591228, it requires a fusion between two people of different Classes/Aspects.

A full fusion, body AND mind. Just absorbing someone's powers won't work (well, it'd give you their classpect powers, but not combine them with the multi-classing).

This is in the notes too, you know.

>>51590647
>>51591049
Hmm, Species I suppose? Now that I think about it, I suppose I just want to share my power trip with someone from the very beginning.

>>51590578
Hmm, that might be a good point to look at. Thanks Anon!

>>51590640
I like the idea behind that Perk, but I'm looking for something a little permanent while still looking like an average joe. I got a vague idea involving the Hyogoku in Bleach.

>>51590665
10/10 waifu tho. Saeko's also pretty awesome.

>>51590678
No, no, no Anon. It isn't the waifu/husbando themselves that matters. It what you do with them that is good in life.

> "To Lewd your waifu. Hear her moan before you. And hear the lamentation of your neighbours."

>>51591218
Hmm, the way I see it, it's about not losing that 'spark' I guess, something that's indefinably a part of being human. Like fear of death or something like that, something that, even if I, say, battle against an Almighty Being through a burning Universe, I can still recognize myself as a Human Being.

It's kinda weird, I know, but it's fun to figure out how to become super powerful, but still be able to be killed in a random accident.

>>51591285
Arguably he didn't actually fight Alucard, he fought Integra, and he left Alucard to his subordinates. A commander's opponent isn't the the subordinates of the enemy commander, it's the enemy commander.

>>51591049
By the way, just saw that.

That is fucking awesome and now it's my go to image. Thanks Anon!

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>>51591324
...Forgot my name again.

Since we are on the topic of hellsing

Jumpers, what kind of (flavour)drawbacks do you keep?

I definetly keep the Schrödinger one and on occasion need to remind myself that swarms of flying panties are in fact not natural for most people.

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>>51591324
Oh, so it is! Thanks anyway.

Maybe I can finally learn to pose right with a bunch of other Void elementals as a backup pose crew, thne.

>>51591334
I can sort of see it being kind of a tautological thing, where you're human if you still relate to yourself and the world around you as a human. And not, for example, as a breeding ground to lay your eggs in.

Take the Hero of SMT 1 for example, battles angels and demons and gains unparalleled mystic power, still dies in a rockslide. Or a Stand user. Most of them are conceptual juggernauts, but still squishy enough to be vulnerable to punches if you can bypass the powers or catch them off guard.

>>51591379
And no worries, captcha's eaten my pics more times than I've counted.

Question -

So we have Avatar in Creepypasta and Demon Spawn in BBS. Are there any more perks like that?

>>51591500
>I can sort of see it being kind of a tautological thing, where you're human if you still relate to yourself and the world around you as a human.
YES!

Thanks for putting it into words! That's exactly what I'm trying to do!

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>>51591324
>>Hmm. I'm thinking specifically more something akin to what Caster did to summon Fake Assassin, but backed with the full power of a Third Magic-empowered pseudo-Greater Grail in order to assign a number of Classpects to artificially constructed spirits instead of actual people.
>>All the Void ones, specifically.
>Haha, no.
>Your spirits are going to be created fine, but they won't get Classpects. They aren't players.


Seems like Second Magic + Seer of Void/Light would be more effective here.

Just summon players from other sessions in the multiverse.

>>51591460
Like across Jumps?
None, shits hard enough as is without carrying around that extra baggage

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>>51591324
Oi Mardukth, would keeping the Tumor be fair game?

>>51591556
yes across jumps
and some are just for flavour like the two mentioned.
the panties one for example is from heavens lost property and reads as thus:

>"A Flock of Seagulls [+0-+100] – Wait, no, those aren’t seagulls at all. For some reason, a literal flock of
women’s underwear will fly in the background from time to time. If the Jumper opts to gain +100cp,
this will confuse and baffle them each time they see it, and will stop whatever they’re doing to stare in
disbelief or disgust. Nobody will seem to know or acknowledge why, though. If the Jumper chooses,
the ‘flock’ may also appear in future jumps until they dismiss the drawback entirely."

like I said "flavour"

though I am tempted to do a chain with the etherwind drawback from Elona in every setting thereafter

>>51591460
>-Weskrows (+0CP): This is... odd. This is REALLY odd, what did you do?! Whenever you're in a city or an area, all the crows in the area will look like Albert Wesker... that's it. They'll act the same as any other crows and use their arms to fly and everything. No one will notice it's weird until you point it out, but it could make aiming and paying attention to things rather awkward.

You can't even imagine how weird fighting Itachi in Naruto was.

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>>51591532
Can the Second Magic cross vast distances through eldritch space? Since other sessions aren't really parallel in the normal sense...

Because otherwise I think you'd just getting alternate timeline versions of your own session's players (and /maybe/ a pre- or post-Scratch group, if that happened)?

Not entirely sure about these magics though...

>>51591578
Well, I was assuming you had a healthy session in the jump, so a Tumor wouldn't show up.

But sure, if you find one, you can keep it. Might need to stop it from blowing up somehow though.

>>51590998
Hey, not related to the update, but does having a shit-ton of out of jump power necessarily give you a dramatically increased chance of surviving the escalation drawback? The bit about your powers suddenly being countered makes me think they wouldn't help as much as you'd think.

I want to take that drawback because it sounds fun, and was just wondering how late I need to put it in my chain.

>>51591587
>though I am tempted to do a chain with the etherwind drawback from Elona in every setting thereafter
It's not that hard to just generate Etherwind on a regular basis, considering Etherwind is a biological reaction from plants.

>>51591660
sure but I was refering to the Drawback:

"The Etherwind Cometh – Lulwy is being her usual dominating self, and punishing you for being a bad,
bad puppy. The Etherwind now happens monthly, rather than once every 3 months. This causes the
wilderness to spring up faster, monsters to grow stronger and more populous, and the ether disease to
develop much faster. It's only a matter of time until devastation grips the continent, and everyone just
seems to know it's your fault. You'll probably be turned out of most towns and refused service from
anyone you meet on the road.
[+600 CP]

You should take the Etherwind Cometh drawback into your next jump. And every following jump. It'll
be fun."

>>51591660
Wait, I thought it was created by a machine.

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>>51591660
>plants

Huh. I remember being told it was some kind of secret curse being used by the arrow goddess to kill all the other gods' worshippers. Like the drawback >>51591711 seems to suggest?


>>51591616
Oh right-a more general question about Sburb: I remember reading a bunch of stuff on the wiki that Void classes have some sort of association with Horrorterrors. Exactly what's the deal with the Void and Horrorterrors, and how much would a Page of Void have to do with them? On a scale of 1 to Nyarlathotep how similar are they to the Lovecraftian Great Old Ones/Outer Gods?

Honestly not sure whether they're worth trying to summon, or I should take a crack at exterminating some. What are Horroterrors good at anyway? I don't actually know much about them other than a) they're huge and b) LE is killing them because he can.

Okay, this is fucking ridiculous.

I have a personal rule when Jumping: "Do not fuck with canon relationships unless it's not going anywhere for either side."

But I'm stuck in Animorphs at the moment and dayum ain't Rachel fly as fuck. Except well, there's that attraction between her and Tobias. So, under my Golden Rule, I can't companion her.

BUT, there's that whole thing with her croc allergies basically forcing what is essentially, another Rachel (presumably) stuck inside a crocodile morph, out of her body. Without any way to communicate with anyone else.

So I could pull an Ellimist and get said Croc to gain morphing abilities, acquire Rachel...some-fucking-how, and then quickly morph into it then wait 2 hours for insta-Rachel clone/twin bullshit.

So now the question is, is this viable? And how much fast talking do you guys think I need to do to make this a thing?

On the plus-side though, extra "Andalite Bandit" for Visser-3 to REEEEEE over.

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>>51591854
>What's is body possession
If you're controlling their loved one, they're the ones technically doing the fucking.

>>51591460
Schrodinger's an awesome kitty-cat, however, I may have blundered getting him to meet with Morrigan (Dark Stalkers).

>>51588062
>ritualistic saiyan hand holding
Man and people said Fate had bad excuses for lewd stuff.

>>51591869
Noped the fuck away from possession bruh. I already have enough voices in my head without becoming a voice in someone else's head.

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>>51591854
...why don't you just unmorph Rachhel 2 out of her crocodile form with magic? Or convince the Ellimist to do it for you, he's basically the Q of the series after all. Or possibly use Omnitrix to unscramble her DNA back into a human configuration, considering it can apparently store things like Ghostfreak.

Anyway, I think just barely so-it's definitely one of the fast talks for the ages. You'll need to calm down someone who's been stuck as a reptile from their existential crises, and maybe convince one or two cosmic beings (Crayak gets pissy about his opponent stacking the deck in their "game") more andalite bandits=more fun.

So basically, be John Constantine (DC Occult), Irene Adler (Sherlock Holmes), Commander Shepard (Mass Effect) or Jack Slash/Jessica Yama (Worm).

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>>51591771
>Exactly what's the deal with the Void and Horrorterrors, and how much would a Page of Void have to do with them?
Well, the Void of the Furthest Ring's theirs basically. They fall under the Void aspect, even if the Furthest ring is technically a space-time where the various Aspects blend together, instead of being seperate and working together. Like, Time IS Space in the Furthest Ring.

>On a scale of 1 to Nyarlathotep how similar are they to the Lovecraftian Great Old Ones/Outer Gods?
I'm not too sure about my Lovecraft lore, but they just kinda hang out in the void. They're HUEG.

They're also based on various Lovecraftian creatures.

They don't seem to do much outside of the Furthest Ring. Aside from subliminally influencing people to create the Squiddles cartoon as a cry for help against LE.

>Honestly not sure whether they're worth trying to summon, or I should take a crack at exterminating some.
They don't seem actively malevolent, or woth exterminating.

IF they even have an agenda beyond not getting killed by LE, it seems like it'd probably be a kind of stasis... No new universes, but also not destroying reality.

>What are Horroterrors good at anyway? I don't actually know much about them other than a) they're huge and b) LE is killing them because he can.
They control the Furthest Ring apparently, and can made the Dream Bubbles that serve as an afterlife for Players there. Not much else.

Even one of the very smallest ones, like Gl'bgolyb (their envoy to the Trolls) is described as "AN OUTER FUCKING GOD THE SIZE OF A CITY" and can psionically voice a glub to kill every non-Fuchsia Troll in the galaxy if it goes hungry. It was a present from Doc Scratch.


Does this help?

>>51591854
Just make her human via magic or maybe transfer her mind into a new body. This should be easy with dnd magic transmogrify her normal.

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>>51591936
Oh, that sounds fine then. As long as they don't casually ruin reality with a stray dream, they're good in my book.

Huh. The Furthest Ring sounds...interesting. Never heard of Aspects blending together. And it's the Voidiest place too? Might be worth a holiday to after battling my Denizen. A team of afterlife construction workers does sound useful, maybe I can have them compare notes with the Great Ones to see if their own dream construction techniques are compatible with Dream Bubbles.

And yes, thanks.

>>51591915
>>51591947
Don't have any form of magic on me when I take the jump, just DC-Level super geniusness and tech bullshit...plus technopathy. So I kinda have to use what I have on hand, the Morphing Cube.

At the very least, I could just state that the other Rachel shouldn't be doomed to such an existence, so even if it's to make sure that she has a human base form, then it should be done, much like Ax's own human form.

Hmm, maybe if necessary make a deal that allows me to make her human again, but at the cost of her not joining the fight? Unless somewhere the Rules have been skewed?

>>51591771
>Huh. I remember being told it was some kind of secret curse being used by the arrow goddess to kill all the other gods' worshippers. Like the drawback >>51591711 seems to suggest?

It's not. The Old Forest started producing the Etherwind as a planetary countermeasure against the Meshera infection, which, at the end of Elona Plus's 2nd act, you temporarily eradicate. Lulwy herself doesn't give a shit about the Etherwind, and neither can she control it, because Meshera isn't under the domain of any of the Gods, and none of the Gods are really in the mood to solve mortal problems anymore. You get to the point eventually where you come across all of Lulwy's followers, and all of the Gods' followers in general are busy prepping for something else instead.

>>51592037
is there a decent elona lore wiki? all I can find deals with game mechanics exclusively

>>51592072
No. Knowledge of the entire game was translated piece by piece from basically a single anon's efforts, and the translation patch is pretty much kept under wraps. Without playing the game and watching through every cutscene a lot of it makes absolutely no sense, and even the translation patch used to miss out on some of the Japanese content.

>>51591936
Weren't they also able to empower people via the Grimdarkness mode?

>>51592019
>Huh. The Furthest Ring sounds...interesting. Never heard of Aspects blending together.

Well, one of the things that makes Homestuck's players so interesting is that they can use their aspect even when they not present.

Think about LE fucking with time against a race of beings that live outside universes, without the proper concepts of time and space. Dormammu! I've come to bargain.

>>51592028
Dc supergenius could totally make an animalyzer ray or a human ray. Dc likes its super ray guns.

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>>51592028
Oh right. In that case I would hesitantly say /just/ barely possible. You'd probably stand a much better chance if you wait until some other Andalites land on Earth then convince them to work with you/commander a spaceship, make contact with a lifeship and convince them early on they gotta escalate to stand a chance against the Yeerks though. At least enough to get your hands on the exotic materials/tech needed to tweak the cube, rather than build it in a cave. Out of a box of scraps.

...

...actually, maybe what you ought to do is just ask Erik the Chee for help. It isn't killing so it shouldn't violate his programming, and the Pemaltes must've been bullshit advanced if they created androids which can MASSACRE all known Yeerk ground forces and even physically block a Howler while remaining pacifist.

I think you'd have no trouble convincing the Ellimist with the first argument at least. Crayak would probably be okay with her not joining the fight, although I imagine he'd find being given the green light to more...directly assist the Yeerk Empire also acceptable considering he's a strong believer in social darwinism. Even a single Howler would probably result in a bloodbath on Earth. They're his handcrafted superweapons, after all. Apparently fun is the secret behind creating the ultimate warrior species.

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>>51592277
>Weren't they also able to empower people via the Grimdarkness mode?
Yeah, but that didn't seem all that intentional on their part?

Since it only happened when Rose asked an omniscient cueball if they were evil, before going of the deep end at the incomprehensible reply.

Though her other magic prior to that also involved her working with them of course, or at least invoking them. As a Dersite Dreamer she gets to listen to them.

>>51591114
Well that sucks.

>>51592326
That is in fact a very good point.

>>51592365
Oh snap, I forgot about the Chee!

I'm just hoping that I can somehow stop that bloodbath from happening again.

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>>51590535
Transmetropolitan actually talks about this when explaining Foglets and I like referring to it for questions like this.

Spider credits Hans Moravec with asking the question, "Would intelligent robots be like people? Or would they /be/ people?" He then continues, "Well, he (Hans) got to thinking if a guy has a prosthetic leg, is he still Human? Sure. It still does the same job, does what you tell it to. So how about it if he had two artificial legs? Artificial arms? A plastic heart? Carbon-fibre bones? Artificial neurons? Where do you stop being Human? Moravec figured you just didn't... You could put a Human mind into an entirely artificial body-- and that person would still be a Human."

So, in short, I figure you stop being Human once you stop deciding you're a Human.

Also, if you're looking for one more Human to add to that team, I suggest Finn from Adventure Time.

>>51591049
>>51591098
Damn. I was beaten to the punch a little.

>>51591460
Well, I don't tend to keep any. I mean, that seems kind of silly.
Dan Gerous, my horror based side chain, permanently has Tragic Backstory from Generic Creepypasta. Not by his choice, but then Dan doesn't get to choose anything in his chain. That's why you'll see random snippets of memory snap into the middle of the story. They continue to haunt and plague his mind no matter what he's doing.

I should do another Jump for him.

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What are some good learning training perks & from which jumps? I know of Naruto & Practical Guide, as well of Worm drink .
There's other's right?

>>51591854
Why not get that perk in Austin Powers which lets you turn any person into twins?

How many waifus from one setting is too many?

>>51592457
Would it be possible to do something like what Rose did with her Sburb walkthrough (putting it on a server in the Furthest Ring)?
Also what would happen to the Exiles if I were to redirect the meteors that were supposed to hit Earth/Alternia/Beforus somewhere else? Could it create a doomed timeline?

>>51593092
The new world of cultivation jump has an entire line devoted to training.

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>>51593150
More than you have, less than the total population of the planet you are currently on.

>>51593147
...what.

>>51593194
Twins Basil!

Twins!

>>51593194

The perk basically allows you to retroactively turn one person into a set of twins. It has a few different conditions inherent to the ability but it's pretty unique throughout the chain.

>>51593092
>pic
What the-

Is that Toguro Sr.?

>>51593203
>>51593208
So, all I need to do is to survive 10 years in Austin Powers and I can have the twins of my waifus come with me? Or even have twin waifus?

Is that what you're saying?

Like say Marikawa Shizuka and her twin? I can do that?

>>51593182
My plan for RWBY involves waifuing the whole team.

Except I seem to have ended up as the J in JNPR. No idea where Jaune went. Anyways, I'm having trouble not waifuing Pyrrha. But, I feel five is too many.

>>51593259
>J in JNPR
You need to find an M waifu and drop the N waifu so you can be Team JMPR.

>>51593253
Well you'd probably need the pods for it.

They don't become companions because you turn them into twins but at least one of the twins won't have any canon baggage.

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>>51593153
>Would it be possible to do something like what Rose did with her Sburb walkthrough (putting it on a server in the Furthest Ring)?
Sure, yes. Do remember that who can access the servers depends on the whim of the Gods, IIRC.

>Also what would happen to the Exiles if I were to redirect the meteors that were supposed to hit Earth/Alternia/Beforus somewhere else? Could it create a doomed timeline?
It'd probably create a doomed timeline, yes? Since they wouldn't end up in the future to do their thing.

>>51593311
>Since they wouldn't end up in the future to do their thing.
Why wouldn't they? Wouldn't they just end up on a possibly still-habitated planet?

Here's a Fallen London question. Is Mr. Eaten A Naked Singularity?

-He is connected to the Avid Horizon, which is a gateway to space. Knocking on the door is the last step to Seeking His Name.

-After you knock on that door, your location is changed to "The Void." You can never use your account again. It's impossible to escape a black hole.

-He's constantly said to be in a well, but not LITERALLY in a well. The singularity of a black hole is inside the gravity well, which keeps it there.

-His entire thing is hunger. Seeking His Name devours your life, and it makes you hungry enough to eat your own skin.

-The whole thing with Mr. Eaten is that he's somehow drawing you to Seek His Name, even though his physical body is trapped somewhere. Naked Singularities are special because you can observe them from outside the Event Horizon

-Stars are gods in Fallen London. Everywhere their light shines is law. Black Holes can devour light.

-A reckoning will not be postponed indefinitely.

Either way, I'm using my last few minutes in the Jump to ask the Bazaar about this in Correspondence.

From far enough away that the Lacre Cannons won't hit me.

>>51593285
>kicking Nora off the team.

YOU MONSTER.

>>51593092

Generic Virtual World, The Matrix and Ar Tonelico all have information upload capabilities, and the first two have perks directly related to it it.

>>51593285
Don't do that. M wives are awful you want a S waifu. Someone who wants to be mistreated and abused. Are there any of those in the chain?

>>51593606
>Someone who wants to be mistreated and abused
That's an M anon. M is for Masochist, S is for Sadist.

>>51593642
S is for submissive.

>>51593604

Doesn't the Matrix's method of information upload require the target to have a neural plug?

How does that work in other jumps?

>>51593092
Here's a couple situational ones for just starting to learn skills. Supplement with stronger learning perks as necessary.
>Suckin' at something... (Adventure Time): "...is the first step towards being sort of good at something. You find that you learn new skills quickly. While this doesn’t mean you’ll master something faster it does make the step between being a beginner and being capable a great deal shorter."

>Supported Skills (Generic Dungeon Crawl): "As you practice a skill, you find that related skills also improve by a tiny degree - swing a sword for a month, and you won't have to worry about injuring yourself with that flail you've never used before. Spend a jump as a cook and find that chemistry makes a little more sense to you. You cannot master a new skill through this method, but it will greatly accelerate the learning process when you do start fighting with that flail or working with chemistry."

>The Jack (JJBA): "A variety of skills you’ve collected over the years for one bit of insanity or another, you’ve mastered none but know the basics of many. Might be able to apply the knowledge of one skill to fill in for what you lack in another, but might not end too well."

>>51593655
Not in a BDSM context.

>>51593441
>Here's a Fallen London question. Is Mr. Eaten A Naked Singularity?

he's mr candles. Next.

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>>51593412
Err, yes. Sorry, got confused and you meant the meteors they came with. Derped a bit.

So anyway, yeah, they'd end up on a possibly still-inhabitated planet. Kind of makes their purpose of rebuilding civilization moot, but they can still guide the players.


Though the meteors still need to fall if they did before you entered the game, to prevent a paradox. So you'd need to stop them as they fall, before and while you're entering.

>>51593724
IIRC there is an item that's basically a wireless (get it) version of the Neural Chair + Plug combo.

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Jumpers, what are you and your companions' basic color schemes?

>>51593548
Just make sure she ends up on a team with Ren and it's all good. The post mentioned a team of waifus, so I assumed Ren's R was replaced with Ruby's R.

>>51593655
I agree with M being Maso and S being Sadist.

If S is submissive, then what's M supposed to be?

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>>51593441
Maybe. How Judgements compare to regular stars hasn't been clarified so far.

The Boatman mentions Parabola rotting the lights of potential stars. Considering he's referring to human souls, suffice to say a surplus of dreams is bad for you

Elsewhere, a recent Exceptional Story confirmed the soul-burning disease Animescence is aggravated by extreme passion literally igniting the spirit. Seems even a potential star can burn a little

Bring a Judgement's Egg to the darkest room in Salt's castle, and it briefly hatches something that's described as crowned with law and masked with light. It then disappears into the Dark as /something/ says YES as you lose it, implying Salt ate the poor thing. Or his memories did. Or something

He Who Was Mr. Candles himself has an offhanded mention that the light on the edge of sleep used to be his, just like drinkables are Wines' and weapons are Irons'. Most interestingly, Seekers have gotten a vision of his consumption where the eater notes his blood is golden-and experiences a rush of immortality. This is NOT what normal Master's blood looks like

In the Who Is Salt? Seeking ending a Londoner becomes one with Salt-who as far as anyone can tell transformed from a junior Judgement into an abstract force that sometimes looks like a sun under the sea, sometimes looks like a horizon and meeting him requires becoming him. He/the player mentions regretting that he couldn't save "the runt", and the way to acquire his name so you can meet with him properly is VERY similar to Seeking

Here's the weird part: In the Zubmariner DLC, you can meet an ACTUAL black sun and its' eldritch servant by passing through the eye at the bottom of the sea. Apparently that nigga Judgement is the true mastermind behind the Liberation of Night

...speaking of which. If you're out there Clover, how're those Sunless Sea DLCs coming?

>>51593925
Macho?

>>51591854
>there's that whole thing with her croc allergies basically forcing what is essentially, another Rachel (presumably) stuck inside a crocodile morph, out of her body.
I don't think there's a copy of Rachel's mind in that croc.
Her body basically just ejected a live clone of the original crocodile. It was pissed, too, tried to kill a bunch of stuff. And before that happened, it's 'mind' (instincts) bubbled up in her mind in human form, driving her to shake her ass like she had a crocodile tail and then bite a guy on live TV.

If you go through with this plan, you'll have a crocodile with Rachel's body, sort of how that bison became Chapman. Or that ant became Cassie.

>>51593940
Holy shit. What the fuck is Mr. Eaten then? Some kind of god, not a Judgement and not from the Neath? The ruler of Parabola, eating the Judgements? That part about stars being consumed from the inside is pretty funny. Actual stars die by burning up their fuel, so it's not surprising that Judgements die by burning their souls with passion.

Is there even a reason to seek the Name at all, if Salt considers him a runt??! Oh wait, that's the point. It's supposed to be a destructive obsession.

Although my headcanon is that Mr. Eaten returning is like the stars coming right in Lovecraft's universe, and he's going to be horrifyingly powerful.

>>51593925
Not him but are there any masochistic sub waifus in chain?

>>51594082
In that jumpcwith the real eater perk minuses will probably do anything to feel wanted.

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>>51593606
No Game No Life?

>>51593606
In my chain, yes. It's me.

>>51593783
It does, though.
Bondage, Discipline, Domination and Submission, Sadomasochism
BDSM

>>51593854

>>51593854

Usually black and/or purple for myself, though brighter colors are often brought in to keep it tasteful. Companions are all over the place. Violet & Red. Gray & Silver. Black & Gold. Pink, Black & Blue. Purple, Yellow & Silver. White & Gold. Straight up Gold. Red & Blue. White & Red. Green & Orange (pastels in general with this one).

. . .I suppose I just really like metallic and monochrome colors.

So... How exactly does Dragon Ball AD's hybrid option work for one of the non-gendered races like Namekians or Frieza's Race? Especially when combined with a race that does have them?

>>51594299
Cell-style fun with genetics?

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>>51594027

Well, he probably STARTED OUT as a Master. The whole conceptual name-domain thing is really vague in terms of how much control Masters have over their purview, but Wines and Spices are privately bickering over who gets to control dreams-which is all but confirmed to have been his purview. There's some really odd nightmares where they seem to be symbolically dream-fighting.

Also, he apparently brokered the Egypt and Axile deals so the Flukes, which hail from a planet too near a Judgement, could come and build a new life for themselves.

Which may explain why a Destiny option associated with him involves riling up the Lorn-Flukes by bringing them his name written upon your arm, chopping it off and letting them devour you. And why Mutton Island, who have an ancient pact with the Lorn-Flukes to eat their donated flesh, fry it with well-water to get the taste right. Who are in turn implied by the Lornest Flukes to be allied with the black Judgement

The point being-with Axile and Egypt, Candles seemed to have acted out of sympathy. My personal theory was he found something in the Mountain of Light (the Bazaar and Sun's child, and giver of immortality) that put him on the verge of BECOMING a minor Judgement just like how in theory a human soul can become a star. And Salt was helping them in this endeavor because it's known he intends to eventually return and confront his old boss, the White

You may be right. Details about the Hate ending are...slim, but the person who did it a) confirmed no more cities would be taken, b) coyly said something about watching over future players and c) right before the Salt ending and as implied by other Seeking content, Seeking was apparently ORCHESTRATED by the Judgement known as the White to give him some sort of conceptual foothold into the Neath. All evidence points to the endgame being some sort of Judgement-nuke vengeance upon the Bazaar

>>51593967
He might be confusing it with the time Rachel morphed a starfish, got cut in half, and each half of the starfish was able to un-morph back into a separate Rachel.

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>mfw hector still isn't home

Hector you're making your powerful daughter of a mage upset. Come home and see her, she wants you to see her and be proud.

Anyway, expect a (semi)-jumpable Heroes wip in a few days or so

>>51593655
s is for submissive, it's supposed to be lower case in that context. S is for Sadist.

>>51594380
Hype!

It's awesome. Can't stop playing.

Am I the only one creeped the HELL out by Sharena, and the twins in general?

>>51594380
The show with the cheerleader and time travelin chuuni asian?

How does Themed Powers from Skullgirls actually work? Does it make all of your powers fit a certain theme or does it just make it so the powers that do fit that theme don't draw undue attention?

First it says
>With this perk, you can choose a single theme that all of your powers will
now abide to
But then it says
>So long as you can abide by your theme, people won't question where your powers came from.

>>51594334
Wow. If you're right, that's horrifying and incredible.

The Hate path is definitely going to kill the Bazaar, but not because of Mr. Eaten himself. It's opening the door for a Judgement to bring law to the Neath.

It's worth noting that Sunless Skies takes place after Fallen London, and implies that London was never crushed by another city. So something happens to the Bazaar in that time.

The Salt path is ALSO a reckoning, but against the despotic Judgements that place humanity. The ones who caused this whole problem in the first place by forbidding love between Judgements and Space Crabs, and continue to eat human souls to keep themselves alive.

And the Liberation of Night is a big part of Sunless Skies. You can kill a star yourself. So a third reckoning is fast approaching.

I can see why anyone associated with confirming these rumors is viewed as a social outcast. Any way you slice it, all shall not be well.

>>51594380
Don't we already have a Heroes jump?

>>51594531
I meant Fire Emblem Heroes.

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>>51594380

Bodacious Babes

Have you given thought to my request a few days ago anon?

>>51594588
Yes I have, but I'm unsure if it's too meta.

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>>51594588
Not Bodacious Enough

>>51594612
How about that baby dimension eh?

>>51594652
What is this?

>>51594642
That crossguard looks painful. How do you swing that sword? 0/10 would not waifu.

>>51594510
So, how do I go about not getting wrecked by some eldritch horror or something in Fallen London/Sunless Sea? From what I hear of it, it's about as dangerous as Lovecraft.

>>51594675
The crossguard changes into a chamber for her swords bullets.

>>51594665
Fire emblem parents have children, they toss the baby into a vortex then they pop out grown up and trained in various subjects.

>>51594692
The stuff we're talking about only comes up if you follow the most self destructive and deadly path in the setting. Generally you'll be fine. It's way less dangerous than Lovecraft unless you're looking for trouble.

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>>51594652
see pic

>>51594665
Baby Dimension is a bad place do not go there ever

>>51594697
Is that the deep realms from fates?

>>51594697
Convenient.

>>51594675
Signum is like top tier waifu material though.

>>51594730
Yes.

>>51594299
Freeza's race isn't ungendered in canon. Freeza makes an oblique reference to a mother during the Namek saga.

>>51594380
>Phonetrash

>>51594642
Kanzaki does it better.

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>>51594612

Bodacious Babes

Come on anon, how is too meta when the whole point of the game is collecting fire emblem characters, All I want is the other Anna and my Anna to share a companion slot so I don't have to pick a favorite. I don't want them to be sad do you?

>>51594675
Um, if you're hitting your hand on your sword's crossguard, you're doing something wrong.

>>51594912
I have a name and it's Nika or Moth.

I'll think about it, again. May make that a perk to buy after all.

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>>51594984
>I'll think about it, again. May make that a perk to buy after all.

Bodacious Babes

That's all I'm asking for thanks Nika or Moth

>>51594960
Look at that shit it points into your wrist.

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>>51595192
Still better than a Keyblade.

>>51595225
Okay, but that says "combined keyblade". Does it split in half down the middle? Because if so, then you could actually wield the halves. Not very well, they'd still be horribly unbalanced, but you could do it.

>>51594642
>>51595225
How do you like your blades, Jumpers?
Ornate as fuck, or boiled down to basics?
I prefer mine to have a part to hold on to, and a part to fuck shit up with, and that's it.
Like a double-edged machete.

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Hey Heavens, if you take Apotheosis, does your Ki have to be purple? Could it be something more like Golden Frieza's Ki instead?

>>51595300
I like my blades to be made of energy. Mostly because that one rad as fuck Vegito move where he stabs Buu and swings him around imprinted on me as a child.

>>51595300
Pragmatic shape with ornate art lightly carved onto the guard and ricasso. I think my keyblade is the only non-realistic blade(s) I have.

Guns are free game though and I welcome the weird shit.

>>51595300
I prefer my blades to actually be a ranged beam weapons system. Just imagine I combined Ivy's whipsword with Bits from gundam. Also a belt.

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>>51595297
Basically. This is Sora's half of it. Riku's is just a darker palette swap.

>>51595192
It's not the best design, correct, but it still shouldn't really be a problem unless you're angling the blade toward yourself.

What's the deal with the reupload of Killing Bites?

My dudes, what happened to Dragon Ball AF? It's no longer in uploads.

>>51595509
People keep reuploading random ass Jumps for some reason. Sometimes it feels like they're slipping in little changes to minor things no one would immediately pick up on but that's me. It's weird behavior so I'm lookin for a motive.

>>51595535
Shitposty probably deleted it.

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>>51591049
Uncle Dante is pretty great.

>>51591098
The Major was batshit crazy, but he makes a good point here.

>>51593150
>Too many waifus.
Silly anon, no such thing.

>>51593259
Five is fine, hell LoT GIVES you 5 waifus at once.

>>51593285
>Getting rid of Best Girl
You can fuck right off.

>>51593606
There isn't a Konosuba jump for Darkness/Lalatina, so no.
Also Chris is Best Girl in Konosuba anyway.

>>51595300
The Sword can change-shape, I usually go with Ornate as fuck because I'm an asshole like that. But when someone has actually pissed me off? I just go pure-function, it looks ugly as hell but it fucking WORKS.

what's up guys it's me again
the shitposter

>>51595567
Oh you!

Jumpers! Tell me about the mundane skills you learned without perks!

Calligraphy, because much of my chain in in fantasy lands and whatever business partners I make always bitched about my chicken scratches.

There is probably a calligraphy perk out there somewhere, but I dont care and dont need it at this point anyways.

>>51595509
>>51595545
I'm more confused by Avernum, where as far as I can tell, they changed the font.

>>51595629
Nah the jump on the drive was all messed up and the same perks were pasted multiple times. So I annoyed Justice into fixing it.

>>51595629
I got rid of the repeat text. Because someone kept bitching at me about it.

>>51595629
Pretty sure Justiceanon unfucked the part where the jump repeated itself in its entirety.

>>51595651
You know, you could always have just put actual effort into the jump in the first place.

>>51595698
I did, I'm a shit jump maker though. I've said this repeatedly, and put my jumps up for adoption. Avernum and Farcry are free for whomever wants to pick them up.

>>51595651
>bitching about someone asking you to make a jump on our drive significantly less shit with a simple fix

>>51595625
Cooking! Running a restaurant helped me learn that quickly. Also I've gotten a bit of business acumen from learning and going to college.

>>51594299
Essentially this >>51594332 as I'm pretty sure that's how Xicor was made

>>51595470
Your hands are supposed to choke up near the cross which is impossible here if you have bones.

which jump has the best butler option? Justice League Dark has a decent one with the demon butler, but I don't know if I want to have a demon in my home. Sets a bad impression and all

>>51595875
If you're a hybrid, can you choose how much a certain race affects your appearance?

>>51595939
Sitcom jump, go to Seinfeld and trick someone with no insurance into wrecking your car.

>>51595875

Different Anon here. I know you said you can't get God ki in AF, but I have questions about getting around that.

If you go as a Saiyan in AF but then pick up Apotheosis in Z, could you become a Super Saiyan Blue with enough training?

Or what about the reverse? Going as a Kaioshin in AF, a race which inherently has God ki in canon, then going as a Saiyan in another DB jump? Would combining those powers and training result in Super Saiyan Rose?

>>51595967
Yes, appearance is all up to you considering there aren't really examples of what a Frieza/saiyan fusion would look like

>>51596001
I'll say fanwank it for now

>>51595300
Well my main weapon is basically a two handed double edged curved sword that has been made nigh indestructible thanks to perks, it has little to no ornamentation but is enchanted as fuck

But when shit goes down I bust out the Trident of Destruction from Lords of Light and The Armageddon Blade from Darksiders

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>>51596001
...Would you happen to be from SB?

>>51596121

Would it really matter to you whether I say yes or no?

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>>51595535
Here's the latest version of it that I have if you need it

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>>51596001
>If you go as a Saiyan in AF but then pick up Apotheosis in Z, could you become a Super Saiyan Blue with enough training?
Nope. You become a Super Gayan.

>>51596121
Pretty sure that's NuBee.

>>51596242
People keep complaining about it, but pink hair looks better than glowing blue hair.

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>>51596253
They both look like shit compared to this

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>>51596253
But both look better than retarded, flowing, golden hair. Also, the slimness of both looks better, IMO.

>>51596242
Is it possible to become a Super Saiyan Rose Super Saiyan?

>>51596292
Yellow, as a natural hair color, looks superior to pink and blue.

>>51596273
GT was terrible, but god damn SSJ4 was cool as hell.

>>51596294
Super Saiyan Rose is the equivalent of Super Saiyan Blue, not Super Saiyan God.

>>51596372
That's why I'm hoping Toriyama references it in the multiversal tournament like he has Legendary Super Saiyan.

>>51596346
Yes, that is true, but everything besides the color is fucking ridiculous. Blue and Rose at least have more reasonably-sized hair.

>>51596242
Rose isn't that bad. I put it about the same level as Blue

>>51596273 This man speaks the truth

>>51596409
Well even Toriyama didn't like it much, as he barely uses it. SSJ has always been hot shit, and SSJ2 was too, both of them get shown off a lot in fights and both of them have been given powered up, god-surpassing variants. SSJ3 was shown to be irrelevant in every arc so far, it still has the energy drain so nobody wants to use it.

Wait since when was the Dragon Ball Z jump made by HeavensAnon, eagerDigger, and Quicksilver a thing? It's in the upload folder.

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>>51596372
GT had some good points, not many, but good points none the less
>Uub
>SSJ4's design
>Baby and his backstory
Though they dropped the ball a lot too
>Kid Goku
>Not having Adult Gotenks
>Super 17

The Shadow Dragons saga is debatable it was largely bad but Omega Shenron was cool and the idea that just wishing the world back to normal throughout the series actually had repercussions was pretty cool

Also Golden Frieza is retarded

>>51596546
Since yesterday.

>>51596479
Plus it gives you a fivehead and mega long backhair.

SS4 howver has always been sex incarnate.

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>>51596472
Neon blue hair is dumb, don't get me wrong. I just despise the color pink with irrational vigor.

I think my favorite Super Saiyan form is Super Saiyan Rage.

>>51596558
Wait, is Uub not canon? I thought he showed up at the epilogue of Z.

>>51596570
Too bad Toriyama doesn't seem to like it.

>>51596568
This makes me happy for some reason. Gonna reshuffle my chain a bit so when I hit DBZ multiverse I can have some real fun fucking with people.

>>51596604
Uub is canon, but technically the epilogue to Z happens AFTER Super, so he hasn't shown up yet.

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>>51595311
I would assume just fanwank it unless Heavens says otherwise

>>51596273
Would anyone believe me if I said I made AF mainly because I wanted SSJ4 waifus? Cause it's like 20% of the reason why.

>>51596579
Super Saiyan Rage is great, but you just know that further super forms are going to branch off of Super Saiyan Blue instead.

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>>51596479
Yeah, but spikes and long yellow hair are still the worst. I mean, he looks like a fucking banana tree. Gohan is, like, the absolute maximum I can stand for Dragonball hair desu.

>>51596579
I like how SSJR Trunks has his own version of the Spirit Bomb where he just compresses it into an energy sword.

>>51596655
So wait does this mean that if we buy kaioken in dbzm and get ss4 or otherwise we can go ss4 and still kaioken in spite of the normally incompatable auras? Cause that would be awesome. Just bust the roof off the universe awesome.

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>>51596604
Uub is cannon but they showed him doing stuff in GT because he is basically good Kid Buu with all the power that entails

He even fuses with Mr.Buu the good Fat Buu to become Majuub

>>51596658
This is as good a reason as any.

>My plan.
Saiyan race, training perks, and an Alien Fleet where they are all Saiyan girls.

>>51596725
No probably not.

However, if you have SSG then you should be able to go SSGSS4, which, due to the calm aura of SSG, means you can combine it with kaikoen.

You'll probably be a blue monkey though.

>>51596711
>Spirit Bomb
Genki Dama

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>>51596658
I believe it. I made GT canon with drawbacks in Multiverse just to get cute SSJ4 saiyan waifus.

Monkey girls are top tier.

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Enough Dragon Ball.

Let's talk about Samurai Jack metaphysics now allowing people to bleed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vStN-phBsrs

>>51596750
Kaioken is a perk though.

>>51596773
Tangentially related: So far I haven't found a better teleportation perk than in Samurai Jack.

General question. Cultivators use ki right? So what would happen to a Saiyan Cultivator?

>>51596579
Super Saiyan Rage was an asspull even by DB standards.

Trunks just RAGES his way into being able to punch out Gods, whereas Goku and Vegeta had to go through all the work of acquiring God ki.

Design wise it just looks bland to me.

>>51596773
I mean, it is adult swim now, and tv-14. So I fully expect it to have more adult themes than it did before

>>51596725
If your body can take it, SSJ4 would not mix well with Kiao Ken but your bullshit jumper body might make it possible.

>>51596809
>Trunks just RAGES his way into being able to punch out Gods
Which totally works according to the highest law there is: the rule of awesome.

>>51596758
Whatever weeb. Trunks' version is called Sword of Light.

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>>51596763
>Monkey girls are top tier.
You are not wrong.

>>51596758
And a nip nong ching chong to you sir, have fun listening to a 40 year old man being voiced my an 80 year old grandma

>>51596658

You do realize you could already get SSJ4 waifus in Multiverse by making GT canon with the Super Multiverse drawback?

Not that I'm objecting to the AF jump.

>>51596836
>>51596859
Oh for fuck's sake.

I was trying to make a joke about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv6fjk-nzuI

>>51596809
Which is exactly what Goku did to fight Freeza with the original SSJ mode. And how Gohan did to fight Cell with the SSJ2 mode.

Hell if you didn't notice, the Zamasu arc is meant to be an echo of the Cell saga.

>>51596809
It's an asspull, sure. But it's an asspull based on an established part of DB canon: Saiyan-Human hybrids become exponentially more powerful when they get pissed. I mean, that was established, what, the first or second episode of Z when Gohan smacked Raditz.

>>51593854
>me

gold on vantablack

> Monique

organic Purple and ambiguous brown.

>TJ

various camo patterns

>Tina

Pink and white.

>RJ
metallic Silver and gunmetal with flaming red And orange accent

>Saitama

red and mustard yellow

>painwheel

lily white


>Pam

Doesn't do color motifs

>Tyrion

just gold

>Leonardo da Vinci

blue and red With brass accents

>mother box

doesn't focus on aesthetics doesn't have one

>Dante

red and black

>Retainers

Pink and white

>>51595300
I like chainsaws and light sabers. I've got a couple I made in Star Wars mounted on the Fountain shield from Lord of light to make it into a lantern Shield, my other hand has a huge black chainsaw that's also a Gauss flayer Thanks to importing them both in RWBY.
>>51595562
>Uncle Dante is pretty great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OemNp6hgX4

>>51595625
politicking, I learned that crap the hard way in civilization! it Helped that I Was already a master of brinksmanship before I started jumping

>>51596876
1. I am not a smart man.
2. I want to do the tournament as is
3. I might do it as a gauntlet
4. I am not a smart man