/btg/ Battletech General!

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>>51294404
House Steiner players, report in.

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>>51294441
Not muh Archon

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>>51294441

Post Dracs

What article of mysterious lore do you want revealed?

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>>51294441

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>>51294764

At this stage pretty much everything I've been interested in has been "Wolverines lol" so nothing any more.

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Bring back cavalry whiskers. Any army would look 120% more dashing with the Flashman look.

>>51294899

Especially on the women.

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>>51294441

>>51294441
>tfw Hanse got to deflower pure Melissa Steiner

Or do you think Melissa was sexually active before her marriage?

>>51294764
What was the secret Star League thing on Lopez mentioned in the original house book and was it the reason the Blakists glassed it?

Who was behind Gray Monday?

Were there ever any real Green Ghosts or is it just a convenient mantle that random people slip on that started as a generic falseflag?

How deep did the old RWR colonies go and is there still some remnant of the old Shark government out there in the void?

What have the Blakists been up to the last seventy years?

Whatever happened to Arthur SD after he went all Darth Vader?

How does the fucking Wall work?

What was the ultimate fate of Jacob Bannson?

How come modern Comstar lost so much of their HPG knowledge compared to even the 3rd Succession War?

Stuff like that.

>>51295045
That's literally answered in the Warrior Trilogy. Short answer is Hanse had a bastard or two before he met her but she was a pure princess. Her mother wasn't but the Fox lucked out with Melissa.

>>51294998
>Teutonic
>a 'Mech in the colours of the 1st Skye Jaegers - ie. the land of Irishmen, Scots, and Italians

I bet an ISF infiltrator did this

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>>51295045
She's completely pure.

>>51294441
I really don't understand the Taylor Swift thing.
Is there some grand meme I'm missing, or do you just have mediocre musical tastes and like to talk about it?

>>51295145
Yes.

>>51295145
You're the only one talking about her.

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>>51295145

She is a qtp2t

Don't you like cute girls, anon?

>>51294764
Why are the Capellans able to make all these economic decisions in the 3030s-3060s without any repercussions.

Like many illegal copies or messing with tariffs. They do it and foreign nations complain a little and the Chancellor says "you can't do anything" and everyone just drops it and lets the Capellans continue without sanctions. The Confederation is the little state that poorest of all five. Why don't they get pushed around more?

>>51295217
She's alright
Not a huge fan of her music but it doesn't make me want to die either.
>>51295226
I always assumed it's too much trouble to conquer their planets since the population is statist as fuck.

>>51295226

Protagonist factions ignore the downsides they're meant to have, only their positive matter. Antagonist factions are dribbling retards hamstrung by their flaws.

This has long been the case in BT.

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>>51295226
It's a powerful state with the support of its population. Why wouldn't your average Capellan support the state? Let me explain the case for the Confederation here:

>The Korvin Doctrine

This simple philosophy forms the basis of Capellan psychology and culture, and most of the Confederation's greatest attributes spring from it. Simply put, the Korvin Doctrine is the belief that humans must join together under a single authority and take responsibility for each other's well-being in order to survive the desolation of space. It is that single authority's job not just to represent and govern one group of people, but a unified "Greater Humanity." Not only must planets and regions care personally for each other, but people a thousand light years from each other must care about the well-being of their far-flung cousins. In my opinion, this lends Capellan society an optimistic and forward-looking perspective that considers the peaceful unification of human-controlled space its ultimate goal. While the Doctrine will never be fulfilled*, this way of thinking has made the Capellan Confederation the only true nation-state in the Inner Sphere. Only Capellans have been taught to regard each other with this sense of fraternity, and it shows. Citizens of Sian and Rollis share a greater bond than citizens of Sabanillas and Baxley, and this is reflected in how resources are allocated among Capellan worlds. Profit and convenience take a backseat to the next virtue:

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>>51295334Equal Opportunity

The Capellan Confederation doesn't care where you're from, what you look like, or who your daddy is. The state and the people are in agreement that everybody on every world should share in the opportunity and obligations that come with living in the Confederation. Unlike the people of other successor states, Capellans don't flinch at the cost of education and development for other people and other worlds. Many Battletech fans choose their favorite factions based on where they would like to live, but they often neglect the fact that none of us was able to choose our birthplace, our parents' status, our sex, or our ethnic background. Life in other realms may be spectacular if you're lucky enough to be born on a prosperous world to a good family, but short and miserable if your homeworld happens to be politically unimportant, your family happens to be poor, or you won't lie, cheat, and steal. Only in the Capellan Confederation does luck fade away when it comes to a citizen's chance to to achieve their potential. Not only that, but in Liao space, selfishness and corruption in one's personal and professional life are reviled as un-Capellan evils. For the average citizen, all they have to do to prosper is to follow the rules and work conscientiously. Dishonesty and flattery are largely unnecessary unless you go into politics. Every Capellan child has access to a quality education†, medical care, and career opportunities. Since the Xin Sheng reforms, even servitors have the opportunity to earn citizenship.

(cont)

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>>51295346
On the other hand, nobody is exempt from the requirements, and your family's privilege is no free ticket to success. This is great for players, because it lets you make almost any kind of character from almost any kind of background. An alcoholic valet's son could be whisked away for naval officer training if he has the character and aptitude, and a famous industrialist's spoiled daughter could lose her citizenship and wind up as a Marik spy out of desperation. That brings us to another source of Capellan strength:


>Earned Citizenship

The Confederation's society is built on the Korvin Doctrine, and earning citizenship demonstrates an individual's dedication to that ideal. It is available to everyone willing to take on that responsibility, and everyone who does so joins a community far bigger than their family, their homeworld, or their commonality. By showing their commitment to the state and joining the fraternity of citizens, they have earned the commitment of the state in return. This is certainly a bleak prospect to those of us in the real world where blood- or birthright citizenship is the norm, and most of us enjoy a minimum standard of government services no matter where we are. Fortunately for us, the Inner Sphere in the 4th millennium is a very different place from Earth in the 21st century. But, because it is not given for free, citizenship in the Confederation means much more than it does in the other successor states, both socially and politically. It has fostered a society with a strong consciousness of duty which takes nothing for granted, and which will make painful sacrifices without hesitation if it serves the greater good. That willingness to suffer and sacrifice without demanding or expecting a reward is what makes this last quality possible:

>>51295144
That's not Taylor Swift is it? Taylor has tiny boobs, that's why.

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>>51295358
>Resilience

The Capellan Confederation is nothing if it isn't resilient. It survived despite being born in the middle of a Davion invasion, it survived the sacrifice of Capella Prime, it survived four (frankly disastrous) Succession Wars, it survived the St. Ive's secession and reabsorption, it survived the FedCom threat, and it continues to survive into the 32nd century. It has survived despite being the smallest successor state, and it has survived despite roughly half of its Chancellors being insane, incompetent, evil, or all of the above‡. Luck had a great role to play in the Confederation's ability to withstand so much consistent hardship and conflict, but even more than that, the strength of the Capellan people made it possible. From the very beginning, their culture has held the welfare of the nation above that of the individual. To them, sacrificing their wealth, their labor, their time, or even their lives is simply the fulfillment of a duty they accepted as children, and shirking that duty is as alien to them as surrender would be to a Kuritan or peace would be to a Davion. They have been taught, and truly believe, that placing the nation above oneself extends all the way to giving up their life. When common Capellan citizens are so committed that many would die to protect something as abstract as "nation," it should come as no surprise that they can withstand the Liao family, lack of luxuries, and constant threats from larger, richer neighbors. The Capellan military takes that dedication even further, and it has demonstrated over and over again that they are some of the most dependable soldiers in the Inner Sphere. If they weren't, the Confederation would have been extinguished a long time ago.

Don't you wish you lived in a Capellan-model state now?

>>51295372
wtf I love the CapCon now

What are their iconic units in different eras?

Besides Stealth Pillagers, Vindicators, and Po MBTs

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>>51295372
Oh madcap, never change

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>>51295334
This one seems fishy to me. Bit older looking face.

Infiltrated midget?

>>51295439
He's the Maskirovka plant.

>>51295416
>3025-50
Raven, Cataphract, and lots of Vindies and Caatapults.
>3050-Jihad~
Sha Yu, Lao Hu, Yu Huang, Thunder, Ts'Tsiang
Not all of them but off the top of my head

>>51295463
>"any of these kids complain about school lunches and it's off to Brazen Heart!"

>"psst, nothing personal... gweilu..."

>>51295507
Now I'm seeing the Maskirovka hiring and training comprehensive school infiltrators in the mould of Weng Weng in For Y'ur Height Only.

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Peg from range with the PPCs and then rev up the RHS for unloading the med x-pulses and streak 4s.

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>>51295372
no

>>51296936
>Watching the South Korean show The Age of Warriors
>The royal house is the Wang family...
>Emperor Wang is in the throne room
We need more of this in BT.

>>51295372
I am of chink descent and all i can say is
Gas the capellans, space genocide now.

>>51295372
I main cappies, and I love the faction, but I wouldn't want to live in a cappie state.

>>51297054
I just want to see more old crazy Outback Feddie cowboys fighting them again.

>"Cletus just radioed in. We got Caps incoming, two Chingchongs, a Dong and some light armor. The APC's are carrying Feng Shuis."

>"Tell Cody to get his fat ass up behind the ridge so we can dump some LRM's on them when they pass. Gunga Din, haul your Warhammer up to the valley chokepoint and try to bait them in. I'll be along with Sweet Lucy as fast as I can."

>"My name is Hathi, Captain."

>"Get a couple kills under your belt and maybe I'll start to care. Until then, you're just another green Panpour Pajeet. Alright ladies, lets send these limpswords to meet old Sunny in hell."

"The Captain is a right cunt today isn't she, Cletus?"
"Well, she just got a letter that her fiance dumped her for his other cousin."

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>>51297751
Davion pride sphere-wide

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Is there a reason to play anyone but Davions or Steiners?

>>51297974
Yes. It's called a campaign.

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For those following along at home, here's the sketch I teased yesterday.

This is Plog's first stab at a FedSuns assault mech. Thoughts?

>>51298013
Fuck ugly/10. Needs more goose.

>>51298013
The cockpit is a fucking mess and the dorsal gun doesn't have any kind of gimble.

Otherwise Penetrator-on-roids/10

>>51297974

Same reason you'd play House Marik, Kurita or Liao.

>>51298013
Ugly af, easily 10/10
We need more ugly mechs like this, btg TRO is doing gods work

>>51298089
For good mechs?

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>>51297751

Was the New Earth Trading Company basically a ComStar front?

It seems like they were building a serious load of hardware to be exporting everywhere. Some sort of ROM op? Or cover for the Com Guards?

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>>51298127
the Comguard is the cover for the Comguard

>>51298105

I think the Federated Suns and Lyrans get the bulk of the better design to be found in the game.

>>51297751
>I just want to see more old crazy Outback Feddie cowboys fighting them again.
Same here. The outback has always been my favorite part of the Suns

>>51297751
Add to that I saw a guy who was named Lieutenant Huh. Huh.

I know it's
>Sarna

But does anyone know where the Trellisane factory info might have come from for Grumman?

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Grumman_Amalgamated

>>51298563
Whoever wrote that fucked up. It's the Guttierez factory, not Grumman.

>>51298563
Well, according to HB: House Marik, the Stingray is produced on Trellisane by a Guttierez Aerospace, but not Grumman. Presumably they fucked up.

Its an error. F-95 is made by Gutierrez Aerospace on Trellisane.

>>51298633
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>>51298677
I suspected as much. Not familiar with the "F-130" referenced in it.

>>51297974
Because you can be House Purple Freedom Bird and out jew all the other factions

"Steiner actuators. Davion actuators. It's all the same, made in the Free Worlds League!"

Which faction is more mary sue?

House Davion or Clan Wolf?

When did the CapCon get Manticore production exactly?

Like the first and only reference I can find to it is "Objectives: Capellan Confederation".

Is it something random or something MadCap just "fact-checked" in because why not?

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My first try at making an omnimech*. How did I do (sorry in advance for long image)?

*I like Snow Raven, so I wanted to try to make a totem mech for them.

>>51299087
disregard the time period, I fucked up and forgot to put it as Late Republic/Dark Age.

>>51299073
But anon, didn't you know? Clan Wolf is Davion now.

>Alaric intensifies

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Well aint dis some shit.

We living in the current year, lads.

>>51299087
>liking the people who ruined Antallos, Bad News and the whole damn Outworlds

You sicken me

>>51299077
Iirc the only company that makes manticores for Liao is Quickcsell's Cappellan branch, which means Liao gets fucked yet again because Quickcsell is shit

>>51299077
I vaguely remember it being in the DA RATs for the CC.
Will check when I get home.

>>51299136
>the whole damn Outworlds
Did they make like the bears and go full CLAN SHENG on them? I seem to remember reading somewhere that they where surprisingly hands off on the space amish for an occupying clan force.

>>51298013
Flip the cockpit and I'd dig it.

Anyone download the BattleMech Manual Open Beta yet?

>>51299073

Davion, not even a contest.

>>51299077

It got MadCap'd. The Objectives series is a complete shitshow from start to finish. New lines pop up at random, factories on planets not even effected by the Jihad vanish completely,m and lines said to have not been damaged go out of production with nothing to replace them.

>>51299087

I'd consider making it without the JJs hard-mounted so that configs can vary between standard JJs with 7 jump or iJJs with up to 10 but you used the pod space well most of the time.

I'd drop the GR on the B for an ER PPC and some other shit, maybe a TC or something.

>>51299230
What do you mean by "flip the cockpit"?

>>51299209

Manticore is IS General.

>>51299251
At least post a link anon.
https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-battlemech-manual-open-beta

>>51299259
>It got MadCap'd. The Objectives series is a complete shitshow from start to finish. New lines pop up at random, factories on planets not even effected by the Jihad vanish completely,m and lines said to have not been damaged go out of production with nothing to replace them.
Kinda what I thought.

It's not like it's a big deal, but I caught it and it kinda made me "wut". It does seem like random stuff pops up now. Like the Grasshopper factory.

>>51299077
>Is it something random or something MadCap just "fact-checked" in because why not?
Yup. It's one of those things the cappies got outta nowhere because MadCap is the capellan medron pryde

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>>51299132
Sweet, time to see how many simultaneous takedown/cease and desists I can get, while pissing off Shimmy and Sentinel.

I kid ,or do I?

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>>51299352
One thing I wonder about MadCap is why he does what he does.

I mean if he got into the Capellans, it in part had to be because they were the underdogs. So why change everything about them?

>>51299287
God help us, they have a survey on there. Chaps, it's time to flood this bitch. Who wouldn't want audiobook versions of the Warrior Trilogy?

>>51299352

Eh. I mean, he pisses me off as much as the next anon but in the grand scale of things a Manticore factory doesn't bother me that much. I mean, it's an IS General vee they had access to already and the Canopians manufacture it any way.

I can find much greater sins in the Objectives series than that.

>>51299446
It's not about the Manticores, just the "fact-checking" thing.

>>51299435

IDK.

Speaking for myself, I'm a Drac fan. The only thing I'd do if I was magically made a writer overnight is make it so that the Dracs actually lived up to their badass reputation instead of being a bunch of lolwarcrimes retards. I'd also give them some designs that don't completely suck ass but that's slowly starting to happen, at least in terms of new shit. I wouldn't make them the all-conquering heroes of Jap Sheng though because that gets stale.

He might have gotten into the game around the time of Xin Sheng and think that "Chinese" and "winning" are the Capellan's two primary traits too.

>>51299496
Fair enough. If I could be a writer for the Dracs I'd at least fix the SHS issue.

>>51299260
Rotate it 180 degrees

>>51299259
>I'd drop the GR on the B for an ER PPC and some other shit, maybe a TC or something.
Does the GR not work well on the chassis or something?

I can to finagle it into a loadout of ER PPC, 2 ER Medium, ER Small, TC, and SLRM 10 with 1 ton of ammo. I can also make a variant with watchdog, ER PPC, MPL, 2 SRM4 w/ Art V and 1 ton of ammo, and an extra DHS. Either of those work?

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So with the Federated Suns producing the Penetrator again, is it likely they'll market the design to the Lyrans?

>>51299657
Lyrans don't need more scout mechs.

>>51299077

Isn't the Manticore one of those designs everyone has access to and builds accordingly?

Also, I'm not seeing why they would build the Manticore given they have the Po.

>>51299717

Everyone in the IS has access to it, not everyone builds it.

>>51299641

It works, but you can get the same damage, better range, no ammo issues, and no inconvenient explosions by using a PPC instead of a GR.

GRs have their places but lighter 'Mechs with a small amount of pod space generally do better with energy weapons.

Of the two I'd go the Watchdog variant, it's a bit odd to have such a fast design without a scout or EW config.

>start AtB campaign as clanner
>can't buy clan mechs
wait what?

I'm playing around with designing an aerospace fighter in MML, and when I go to preview the design next to heat sinks it says (14 damaged)

What am I missing? New to aero design.

How is the AS7-K4? Undersinked like the K? Should I change out the ERPPCs for CLPLs?

I want to use an Atlas in Dark Age, but the AS7-D3 seems kinds of lackluster as a combat machine.

>>51299287
>Open beta
>has to pay

O-okay?

>>51300038
Previously, you got the full rulebook for buying the beta. With this though... yeah.

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Huh.

>>51299583
You're gonna have to sketch it or something, anon, cause I'm sorry but I just can't see what you're trying to get at.

>>51299385
do it, we sick of waiting already

>>51299441
Please select the 8-track option when asking for audiobooks.

>>51300141
Wait a sec.

Is that a reasonable admission and change in rules to match common player behavior?

What the fucking fuck, CGL isn't supposed to do that.

>>51300184
Personally, I'm just hearing someone totally unsuited for it. As much as we'd all want George LeDoux, we'd probably get Wakko Warner. Also, Birdman, get in here.

>>51300215
Anon, Xotl took your feedback into account. He loves you. Love him back. Join us, anon. It's a soft, squidgy feeling.

QUESTION ABOUT THIS MECH >>51298013

Does it look like it has a torso cockpit?
Should the position of the RAC and the cockpit be swapped?

I paid $10 so you don't have to if you're not inclined. Add this to the sticky pls.
https://www.mediafire.com/?h5mjeyugmsjuuvy

Why do ASFs need fuel when they have carrying Fusion Engines?

>>51300287
>Does it look like it has a torso cockpit?
Yeah, absolutely. It has a fucking RAC over it's head, it's got a torso cockpit.

>Should the position of the RAC and the cockpit be swapped?
I hate torso cockpits, so yeah.

>>51300141
Wait a second
People play this way? That's new to me

These mech quirks are fucking terrible. Who picked these, and why does the Devastator have Hyper Extending actuators?

>>51300287
Yes
No

>>51300435
>why does the Devastator have Hyper Extending actuators?
Because those big guns have swivel mounts for elbows.

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>>51299973
please respond

>>51299973
Without a screenshot, I can't say. It might be because you haven't allocated them.

>>51300435
u mad?

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>>51300508
MML wasn't asking me to allocate them. I'm confused.

>>51300348
Thanks, new Mediafire anon

>>51300391
Because they need a reaction mass. Fusion generators just push out electricity to power control surfaces, cockpit functions, weapons, life support, etc. But the engines themselves need a mass to burn.

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>>51300533
Bizarre, I just recreated it and got this.

>>51300433
No, no one ever did, as far as we could tell. Hence the change. It's the rules catching up to the tabletop.

>>51300562
fug

>>51300559
How come 'Mechs and other ground vehicles (if equipped with FEs) don't need to carry fuel for their engines?

>>51300591
Because battletech fusion engines are so efficient, you can literally fuel your mech by taking a piss in the tank.

Fighters still have to blow solid thrust out the back.

>>51300591
They do carry fuel, but you don't need a lot of fuel to run a fusion engine. The sun has an approximate mass of 1.989 × 10^30 kg -- and it's been burning for over 15 billion years without additional supply. For such a small-scale reaction tiny proportions of fuel are needed.

You can literally refuel them by taking a leak or pouring water in. The hydrogen is extracted by cracking, resulting in hydrogen and O2.

ICE engines are presumed to have part of their weight taken up by fuel tanks, and RPG rules and others have rules for refueling them along with approximate service ranges.

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>>51300562
Ok it didn't do it this time. Thoughts? My second asf.

>>51300591
Because they use the ground or air as reaction mass. To generate thrust, you need two things: Mass and Energy. A fusion reactor supplies a crazy amount of the second. For walking, driving, or such, you use energy to push off the ground, air, water, whatever. That produces an equal and opposite force that moves you forwards. For something flying in space, you have no mass to push against. So you have to carry it yourself, and eject it out the back to push yourself forwards. BT's fusion aircraft are using a fusion rocket to get around.

>>51300663
And a point here is that the fuel used by Aero units (so ASFs and DropShips + bigger units) is hydrogen, rather than petrochemicals. So given enough time and water, a DropShip can refuel itself and any ASFs. There's charts for fuel production and costs in Stratops.

>>51300654

Why isn't the rear-facing ML an ER version?

I'd also use an XL there, two LGRs and an ER PPC or ER LL in the nose with an extra ML in each wing would be good.

2 tons of LGR ammo per weapon might be overkill, 3 tons total gives you 24 shots each.

>>51300720
What about more heat sinks?

Directional torso mount is my new quirkfu

>>51300760

Why? Each wing only generates 10 and the nose only generates 2. 22 heat at the most and you'll often find yourself in situations where you can only use the nose and one wing any way.

>>51299077
Quikscell production of Manticores in the Capellan Confederation is mentioned in the original Objective Raids and again in TRO:3058U.

Introtech player here

Convince me the CN9-A isn't a walking ammo explosion waiting to happen

>>51300796
Flippy AC/20s are everybody's quirkfu. As is finally making the Grand Crusader live up to the fluff.

>>51300809
It's a support design, not a primary target. If it's the enemy's best TN to shoot at, you're in for a bad time.

>Each time a Directional Torso Mount-equipped ’Mech takes a hit in any torso location (Front or Rear), the player must roll 2D6 to determine if the Directional Torso Mount is destroyed. A result of 7+ means the Directional Torso Mount is destroyed (and the weapon is locked in the current arc), in addition to the normal effects of the attack.

That is WAAAY too punishing. There's a 58.43% chance that with ANY attack that hits your torso, the torso mount gets locked.

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>>51300797
How about this?

>>51300872

It'll do.

>>51300859
Same chance as a searchlight, and it's pretty much a free turret for no tonnage, even if it's front or back only. If there's no downside to it, then you'd see a shitload of mechs get that quirk refitted on.

>>51300859

That was not in the original text...

>>51300889
Well what do you think of it? What changes might you suggest? How might you use an air lance or squadron of such equipped fighters? I'm very new to this and curious.

>>51300928

It's a 6-9 fighter with the IS's best stand-off weapon. It can threshold most enemy ASF at ranges they can't reply to. It has a bunch of MLs to use in close and a lot of armour.

There's not much left to do, anon. If your intent is to make a Purple Burd fighter that can replace the Stingray, you've succeeded.

>>51300904
Note that I'd prefer it without the negative, but I can see why it was added.

>>51300809
>Introtech player here

You are a walking ammo explosion waiting to happen. Stop playing BT on easy mode and come back later

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>>51300348
Next thread I'll take care of it. Thanks much.

>>51300904

Er, IIRC, the searchlight is an 8+.

That's actually a pretty big difference, given the 2d6 curve. I'd be fine with an 8+ to lock the torso mount. A 7+ is - indeed - far too likely.

>>51301098
I'll see about reducing the likelihood. If we can allow a no-fault, no-error +1 target mod with narrow/low profile, we can allow a mediocre turret that doesn't break when you look at it.

>>51301098
"Each time such a designated, searchlight-equipped ’Mech takes a hit in any torso location (Front or Rear), or when a searchlight-equipped Combat Vehicle takes a hit to the Front or Side, the player must roll 2D6 to determine if the searchlight is destroyed. A result of 7+ means the searchlight is destroyed, in addition to the normal effects of the attack."

Considering how much I do nightfighting, I know the accursed TN to lose your light source. But like I said, I can see what the reasoning was. An 8 or 9+ to lose it would be fine, IMO.

are there any battletech minis that aren't shit or am I just out of luck untill PGI lets catalyst use their 3d models

>>51301133
What prompted the decision to make it front and rear arc only, as opposed to something more like extended torso twist? Given that the Goliath is the example, it seems kind of odd imagining it traversing the gun through the side arcs to fire into the rear, but being unable to shoot into the side arcs.

>>51301153
Quite a few, actually. Just go on IWM and look for yourself, it'll be faster than listing.

>>51301168
It was actually based on the original Grand Crusader, and we only added it to the Goliath afterwards once we realized that the Ol' G didn't have anything for its turret and this was better than nothing. Maybe we can add a more expensive version of the same that gives you 360 degrees for another quirk point.

>>51301185
And the Grand Crud *still* isn't in the fluff.

>>51301192
Probably because of the unseen art issue.

>>51301185
Forgot about the old Grand Crud's flippy back missiles. Fair point, like the +1 for full rotation idea.

>>51301185
If you do this my friends will cry. I have long argued that the gun on a Goliath should be 360 like a turret.

>>51301265
I've pencilled it in as a +1 point quad only quirk upgrade. :) No promises, but it should probably make it in. Thanks all for the feedback.

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>>51300914
Dear Xotl,

You're my favorite part of CGL.

Best,
-some dude

>>51301133
>If we can allow a no-fault, no-error +1 target mod with narrow/low profile
I mean, if you got any ideas on how to unfuck that, I would be totally down.......

fuck you, vulcan-5t, fuck you

>>51301529
Hey at least this will cut down on the huge amount of mechs in MM with Narrow/Low Profile...

>>51301529
wait a minute.

+1bth on front and rear arc, -1 on side arcs

yes?

>>51301513

Much obliged, anon. :)
I have a (offhand) dedication to /btg in the credits, by the way.

>>51301593
No problem. And I just realized that quirk suggestions would probably work better in the quirk suggestion thread rather than some random abstract paintball art appreciation board.

>>51301529
I'd just cut it down to only working from the front and rear, and maybe giving some sort of disadvantage, maybe on physical attacks? Or maybe on repairs?

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>>51300978
Oh ok.

>>51301629
I like the repair angle. I was already pairing it up with difficult to maintain on some of the mechs in the list for that reason: maybe something formal in that regards. Same idea in the end: there has to be a reason why they don't make all mechs like that. Nice thinking.

>>51301629
When I think narrow/low profile, the worst offender that jumps to mind is the Marauder. Looking at the front, it makes sense, but on the side, it seems rather easier to hit.

What I definitely don't think about the Marauder is "poor at physicals".

>>51301663
It's even in the fluff for the vulcan already. Maybe some mechs with both that and fluff about being easy to fix should also get Easy to Repair added to counteract it?

>>51301639

Yeah. I apologise if I came off as an ass, but for what you're trying to accomplish there's not much you can do to make it better short of adding another 20 tons to take advantage of the sweet spot for 6/9 thrust. It's a good, solid, sensible design.

>>51301683
>What I definitely don't think about the Marauder is "poor at physicals".
True. I was mostly thinking of shit like the weedy-ass vulcan when I suggested that
Also, just a random thought, but what if Artemis IV and TAG negated the penalty for narrow/low profile? It'd give Art IV something that helps with it's suboptimal nature and is somewhat fluffy

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Winter Urbie time. Thinking of putting a number on there somewhere. Not sure what color, though.

>>51301663
Since I don't usually use the Direct Hit/Glancing Blow rules, my solution to the flat +1 to hit for Low/Narrow Profile was to just make Glancing Blows apply to those 'mechs - half damage on an exact to-hit roll.

Given the optional rules overlap it creates, I get why it doesn't work as a general case. The Difficult to Maintain angle makes sense if everything is packed in tight, but maybe another effect of cramming everything important on a 'mech into a tight space - +1 on any Determining Critical Hits rolls?

>>51301736
>Also, just a random thought, but what if Artemis IV and TAG negated the penalty for narrow/low profile? It'd give Art IV something that helps with it's suboptimal nature and is somewhat fluffy

I'd say that makes sense, but I think it'd be the only weapon systems in BT that specifically negate a particular quirk. I get the feeling that quirks are supposed to stand on their own.

I'm going to playtest the -1BTH on the sides thing tonight, if I can. I'll be honest, I've got a pretty good feeling about it.

>>51301764
Hmmm...

Prefer not to use glancing/direct, since those rules didn't make it into the Manual, and we're looking to not reference stuff outside the book here whenever possible (though quirks are the one exception, but even so).

I'll see what others think about the crit roll thing though. Thanks.

>>51301764
What happens if you're also playing with glancing blows? 0mos=1/4 damage? 1mos=1/2 damage?

>>51301774
>I'd say that makes sense, but I think it'd be the only weapon systems in BT that specifically negate a particular quirk. I get the feeling that quirks are supposed to stand on their own
I'd add it to the quirk rather than the weapon.
I figure it probably also makes sense for tarcomps, but they're good enough already

>>51301764
Never mind, I see what you mean now aboiut using the glancing blow concept, even without having the main rules. Being thick tonight, I guess.

I'll add it to the pile. :)

>>51301792
That's the overlap problem - it doesn't work if you're also using those rules.

Mediafire anon here, new book is now up in the Rules folder. I'll get the archives and other things updated this weekend.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ddqwa9uqmtbr2nq/BattleMech_Manual_Open_Beta.pdf

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>...to the helpful General and his staff, who lived up to their legendary reputation for polite, civil discourse and provided excellent feedback while piecing together this book.

>>51301880
Best nod to /btg/ possible. Many thanks, Xotl.

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>>51301880

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>>51301880

>>51301880
xotl yes

>>51301709
Nah you're fine, I'm just trying not to be that annoying new guy with a million questions. If it's sensible, it's what I wanted for my Eagle.

>>51300872
Hey, how do you do that datasheet thing?

>>51302182
All good. Few enough people care about Aero stuff, any new blood is great.

>>51302267
In MegaMekLab under the Preview tab.

>>51302182

Honestly bro, ask away. We'll give you shit, but we don't mind answering honest questions.

>>51302377
>>51302399
Alright then, good. I'll keep that in mind when I come back. It's encouraging.
What are some recommended books for getting aero combat down?

>>51302466

AeroTech 2 has the basics. It's the BMR of the skies.

Once you have that down there's a bunch of stuff from Strategic Operations that adds to what bigger ships can do.

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Is this metal enough, or is it just edgy?

>>51302490
trying too hard

>4/6
>no weapon with range longer than 9

lel

>>51302568
Should go faster then?

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>>51302490

Get you some plasma rifles anon. For when you're just not close enough to make a motherfucker toasty.

>>51302490
It's like a fat, shitty, slow, groundbound, Firestarter.

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>>51302580
Better?

>>51302638
I just wanted to make the lord of Hell into a BattleMech.

Tell me about... Hyper-entropy warfare

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>>51302693

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For IRC

>>51302693
>>51302715
I don't get it, what's Hyper-entropy warfare, and what does it have to do with this fanfic?

>>51303113

DirewolfV/Demerzel believed that his designs and tactics were revolutionary and unbeatable, and wrote fluff to that effect. He beat Alex Knight using the Manei Domini half of the Opacus Venatori (hence that fluff, because yes, Alex is *THAT* bad at the game) and then got wrecked by someone who used an equivalent BV in LRM Locusts, which convinced him LRM Locusts were the most unbalanced unit in the game. After that was artillery and "hard counters" because he decided that Reactive armour and Artillery on vees were the new hotness and would make him unbeatable.

Any time you criticised his designs, tactics, or strategy he would say "Well it's not meant to do <insert its supposed job here>, that's something that a Company of <insert completely different shitty design here> is meant for!" and generally moving the goalposts.

Shit was genuinely painful to watch.

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>Mackie
>Easy To Maintain, Protected Actuators, Rugged(1); Oversized

>Oversized

YES

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>>51303261
I think LCT-1Ms should become the de facto response to any and all force composition theorycrafting.

"Yeah but how's it do against equal BV in Lurm Locusts?"

>>51301813
Xotl, I am ashamed not to know enough about the minutiae of the rules to contribute much, but I appreciate your presence in these threads nonetheless. It feels good that your average Joe can contribute to making a game we all like better. Cheers.

>>51303287
Why isn't dick guns a positive quirk?

So hey, I figgure you fine folks might have some insight on my situation here, but does Catalyst Game Labs usually take your money and then not communicate with you for over a month?

>>51303338

Scotty would complain way too much.

>>51303401
yes

especially around GenCon time

>>51303424
Should I expect them to ever ship my order, or should I start looking into getting a refund through paypal? It's been five weeks.

>>51303439
Kinda your call, though wasn't MechCon recently? Most companies kinda neglect their non-con concerns because they are such a cash cow.

>>51303439

You're kind of in limbo as far as precedent goes, because they just switched over to a new website and connected infrastructure for orders. I mean, yeah, historically it's been bad, but it's hard to say yet if it's still bad, or just switchover shenanigans.

Have you mailed them at the address they give on the webstore?

>>51303489
Three times, yeah. No reply. Guess I picked a bad time to get in on this.

>>51303439

Service with the BattleShop has been shit for years, anon. You might get the stuff you paid for but you'll be waiting a long-ass time for it.

I gave up after three months of back-and-forths and charge-backed on my credit card, after which my account with the BattleCorps and BattleShop was cancelled, so no updated .pdfs for me. Haven't bought from them since, never will again.

>>51303096
Why doesn't it weigh at least 80 tons?

>>51303526
>>51303608
I bought a campaign ops book around right after the switch and it showed up fine, so it's likely con stuff.

>>51303439
You may need to post on the OF to get a response.

>>51303697

After the many, many threads on the OF and being dicked around for three orders straight plus them cancelling my access to stuff I'd paid for I'm not real inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. YMMV.

Oh Lordy, some of these BT Manual weapon quotes bounce between memetastic and just trolling.

LGR
>“This is undoubtedly the greatest weapon the Inner Sphere has ever seen.” – Chief of FWLM Procurement

Magshot
>“No utility, no problem!”

MG
>“Damn, he’s 91 meters out.”

LMG
>“How does a ‘light’ machine gun weigh 500 kilos?”

MRM
>“One giant leap backward. It’s like the Succession Wars in
missile form.”

PPC
>“‘Azure whiplash?’ No, too corny. ‘Man-made lightning!’ That’s the ticket!” – Donal marketing exec

C3
>“I thought this firmware upgrade was going to let me stay out of sight when shooting?”

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>>51304442
and so many things to re-draw and re-scale

>>51304442
Fucking 12/10 anon. Would totally MM with.

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>>51304442
Well one of the rest should be easy to do. Just make a little explodey flame for the Crusader. You might need a little arrow showing the front of the ammo explosion from the back though.

>>51304421
;^)

Did the Regulans produce any native battle armor?

>>51300167
Put the top on the bottom and the bottom on top.

>>51304982
you mean move the RAC to where the cockpit is and the cockpit to where the RAC was?

might look cool

>>51298013
You guys really are letting Plog go nuts with these, aren't you. I mean I have to imagine a lot of the chosen designs are at least semi off-the-wall to begin with, but a lot of what he's produced has been pretty crazy. Like, Matador crazy.

>>51305059
I can't tell if you like it or hate it lol

>>51305059
Most of the time I give him stats, some description, a few concept images, and then say "go wild"

In an ideal world, we could get even more cray cray, but I'm doing my best to ensure art matches the stats.

>>51305074
This one and the Xbawks one? Eh. Bit too outlandish for my tastes. But at least it's different, and as of late the Stalker and other Silly 'Mechs have been lonely.

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>>51305097
This more your speed, anon?

>>51298013
I don't know what reaction I should go with concerning this one.

"Kill me, it hurts to liiiiiive!"
or
"See my and other profiles on PlentyOfFish.com!"

>>51305124
>"See my and other profiles on PlentyOfFish.com!"

lolwut

>>51305123
>Light 'Mech
Okay, let's check off the boxes:
>looks fast
>might have "shield/minimal arms"
>single large weapon system
Yeah, it checks out. I'd tweak a few things but I do kinda dig it, yeah.

I dunno why I expect to see any of my submissions as a sketch in these teases, but I keep hoping.

>>51305123

Why does it have knives on its knees?

>>51305133
On /v/ and another board a few years ago they used to dive on plenty of fish, screen cap the profile and have a laugh at the fatties, fuglies and single mothers on that site. Good times.

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>>51305150
Clearly the designer was cribbing from history.

Hey man nice shot.

>>51305237
Good song.

>>51304421
>no one noticed the ECM or M-Pod ones
There's a good reason for the memes, anon...

>>51303287
THICC

>>51306684
I noticed them, and was tempted to post the ECM one, but gotta leave something for folks to see for themselves.

Y'know, once they get done perusing the mech quirk list which is probably the first stop for a lot of us.

On that subject- Cauldron Born lacking the no torso twist and Tarantula having extended torso twist look to be errors.

>>51306934
Bushwacker HAVING no torso twist also seems an error

>>51306934
The latter was given extended torso twist because of its unique torso layout, what with the look of the body being on a stalk. The Cauldron Born not having No Torso Twist seems to be a bone of contention, but I hate No Torso Twist, and remember the MW4 version fondly.

>>51306954
Blame Loose.

>>51307033
Nothing good ever comes from Loose

>>51307033
>The latter was given extended torso twist because of its unique torso layout, what with the look of the body being on a stalk.
Oh I get that, it just stuck out since quads can't torso twist in the first place. Didn't know if a quirk would really be allowed to contradict that.
>>51306954
Setting aside the aforementioned Loose art given that the Bushwacker doesn't really look like that in any other interpretation, the minis still have the torso and pelvis as a singular piece. I mean, it easily can twist as many versions of it in video games show, but there's a whole lot of mechs that can easily visually modded to do the same by simply drawing a horizontal dividing line at the waist or thereabouts, really.

>>51307033
>Blame Loose.

It was in the TV show first. That design doesn't have torso twist either.

Jesus Christ, those weapon descriptions. I didn't realise you could distill hundreds of threads of shitposting into nine pages

>>51307033
>and remember the MW4 version fondly.
Though the MW4 version isn't super squat either, which in my mind disqualifies it for the low/narrow profile quirk.

>>51307262
I'm glad you liked it anon.

>>51307300
It may end up getting No Torso Twist depending on CGL's say, that's just what it ended up with to start.

>new quirks
>suddenly 4 panthers are definitely better than 3 vindicators

>>51307443
And the Thunderbolt is now the AK of mechs. Takes three times as long between maintenance intervals and +2 to getting spare parts for it. Nice.

>>51307443
>>51307480
Archer:
>Battlefists, Command ’Mech, Improved Targeting (Long), Ubiquitous
Griffin:
>Battlefists, Improved Targeting (Long), Jettison-Capable Weapon (PPC), Ubiquitous
Marauder:
>Command ’Mech, Distracting, Hyper-Extending Actuators, Narrow/Low Profile; Exposed Weapon Linkage (AC/5)
Phoenix Hawk:
>Command ’Mech, Improved Communications, Jettison-Capable Weapon (Large Laser), Ubiquitous
And the biggest winner, the Wolverine:
>Command ’Mech, Extended Torso Twist, Fast Reload (AC/5), Improved Communications, Jettison-Capable Weapon (AC/5), Protected Actuators, Ubiquitous; Cramped Cockpit

Damn that's some unseen love.

What does the ubiquitous quirk mean or do?

>>51307599
I'm not sure I'd call the Wolverine the big winner, as cramped cockpit is all the penalty of a small cockpit without any of the benefits, and jettison capable weapon is of limited value.

Overall I'd say the Archer and Griffin are the winners as they have no negatives and both getting improved long range targeting is pretty nice since long range is their main job.

>>51307650
Here you go. Means the mech is super common, or at least parts for it are, and so it's easy to get spares.

Also grabbed Stabilized Weapon, another new quirk that gives -1 to hit with the relevant weapon while running.

>>51307650
Means that the 'Mech in question is either produced in large numbers or has had a large amount of spare parts built so that repairing the mech is easier because parts are common.

>>51307599
For my money, the Wolverine probably has too many quirks, but alas.

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>>51307686
Forgot my pic.

>>51307667
The Fast Reload though gives it a definite step up in firepower, especially for its weight class. Improved Communications gives it an Active Probe equivalent (or upgrades the range if it already has one). So it's a great hunter unit now.

>>51307650

It means that parts for it are as common as dirt.

"when attempting to locate replacement parts for these ’Mechs, add +2 to the Target Number."

>>51307599

For the Archer, we figured over 100,000 produced can't be wrong. And both Jaime Wolf and Morgan Kell used them as their personal rides. Hard to argue with that kind of endorsement.

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What moment in BT lore is equivalent to this?

>>51307650
It's the +2 to getting spare parts >>51307480 mentioned, because ubiquitous in terms of being a mech that's super common, so it gets applied to a lot of the unseen.

Tthe quirk also doesn't apply across the Clan/IS divide, and I also kind of wonder if some more faction speceficness might have been intended when the Vindicator got it, since it's only really ubiquitous in the Confederation and St IVes when that was a thing.

The Thor is the only original Clan omni that gets the quirk, interestingly enough. GREEN BURD EVERYWHERE, OTHER CLANS CAN SUCK IT.

>>51307717
That should be a -2 by the way, otherwise it's actually harder to get parts.

>>51307727
Adding it to the list. :)

>>51307725
The Vindie getting it was an error, for the reason you mentioned. It's common as dirt there, but unheard of everywhere else. That will be removed.

>>51307443
Panthers and Dragons both became much better.

>>51307695
>The Fast Reload though gives it a definite step up in firepower
It means you reload the ammo bin faster like when doing maintenance. It's not a bad thing but it doesn't do anything on the table really unless you find yourself reloading under fire.
> Improved Communications gives it an Active Probe equivalent (or upgrades the range if it already has one). So it's a great hunter unit now.
That's improved sensors. Improved comms is basically free ECCM against standard ECM which is pretty damn nice, though the utility depends on whether there's enemy ECM around.

>>51307744
A couple of quirk questions: has the Wolfhound lost its full-head ejection, and what's the -1D mentioned in the Shad entry?

>>51307744
Oh, and forgot to ask, what's with the Jagermech and No Torso Twist? Wouldn't that be a hell of a problem with an anti-aircraft 'Mech? Hitting a fast target ain't easy.

>>51307861
Full-head ejection is a construction option, not a quirk, so unless they're changing record sheets...

>>51307861
Full head ejection isn't a quirk, it's a piece of equipment, just the rare kind that occupies no additional weight or space. And 1D means the exposed linkage on the AC/5 is for the SHD-1D only, as also mentioned in the 1st Succession War book.

>>51307861
Full Head Ejection System isn't a quirk, it's a construction option.

>>51307894
Er, have you seen the Jagermech? It doesn't have a waist.

>>51307861
Full-Head Ejection isn't a quirk, but a piece of equipment. My personal quirk list (from my RATs, and used as the basis for the BMM list) listed it as a quirk because it was an quirk-like oddity that wasn't reflected on record sheets for a long time, but now that I have to follow the actual rules it doesn't appear here.

The Shadow Hawk ref is presumably for the -2D, although the list is not supposed to go into variant-only quirks, so I'll be trying to have that axed in any case for consistency (or update the quirk to cover mounts). Thanks for the spot.

>>51307784
Bah, you're right. I should stop trying to recall rules from memory when I've just woken up.

>>51307894
Have you looked at it? Those torso "shields" run the whole way up the torso from the hips. Remember it has flippy arms though.

>>51307744
Getting away from quirks, one thing I notices is HAGs are mentioned as being capable of making flak attacks, but no mention of the additional -1 when shooting at airborne targets is made.

>>51307911
>>51307915
>>51307919

Well shit, I'd completely forgotten the full head ejection wasn't a quirk.

>>51307922
The entry was AC/5 -1D, PPC -2K. I thought it was a typo for the -2D of the papier mache armour at first.

>>51307974

Yep, I definitely missed that. Adding it to the errata now. Thanks a lot!

Surprised the Ymir doesn't have narrow/low profile considering how skinny it is.

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>>51308000
>I thought it was a typo for the -2D of the papier mache armour at first.
It is actually, as the typo is also present in the Shad's quirk list from the aforementioned 1st SW book, though the other parts use the correct 2D. So errata for two books!

>>51308039

We were being really stingy with that quirk because it's so powerful. But the thread last night had some good ideas for weakening it, so it may wind up being more widely seen.

>>51308089
fair enough, I am glad the dragon got it so it stops being terrible

Damn, I like the weapon section comments for the machine guns, PPCs and MRMs.

An amusing observation:
Since the the BT Manual is all mechs, this means that the anti infantry ammos like flechette AC and frag LRMs are only listed as doing extra damage to woods/jungles, uderstandable in the context fo the book, but also creates the hilarious impression that these specialty ammos have been made for just that purpose. "Gentlemen, we have seen the enemy, and it is TREES!".

Though BT being BT, I'm sure there's at least a couple worlds with flora so dangerous that the planetary militia's main concern is reducing the woods via heavy weaponry.

>>51308236
"Gentlemen, we have seen the enemy, and it is TREES!".

lol

>>51308205
A few are mine, but you can thank CA for most of those. He's a funny guy.

>>51308310
Hilariously, all the ones he likes (assuming the PPCs aren't as a whole, and is just the PPC), you either redid or made them to start. Possibly because my original PPC one was too on the nose.

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What faction has the best infantry uniforms?

>>51308338
Yeah, the azure whip/man-made lightning one. Can you tell what the original PPC comment was?

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>>51308341
Being a long-time Drac player, I fully admit I may be biased, but the DCMS ones look nice. Also they have the best-looking 'Mech driver gear.

>>51308384
It was basically a direct quote from Stackpole form a Marketer's perspective and how it was the best quote possible.

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Case in point. Also off-duty busosenshi a cute.

>>51307773
>panthers and dragons got buffed
what did they get?

>>51308885
Dragon got Narrow/Low profile and Stable, and the Panther got Improved Targeting (Short) and nimble jumper.

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>>51308885
Frontal armor, maybe?

>panther on the left, dragon on the right

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>>51307236
Fucking heresy, I bet you dislike Laubenstein too. Yet somehow Knutson never gets mentioned despite being the black hole of non-euclidean geometry and childish proportions.

>>51308418
>All the cool 3025 uniforms are replaced by generic Mass Effect skinsuits and modern combat style bullshit by the Dark Age

When is the Combine going to be great again?

>>51308901
the quirk list on sarna doesn't seem to have exact modifiers or nimble jumper (I assume something to do with piloting rolls), but yeah those both look like pretty solid improvements; I don't know if it will bring them onto to the level of "not crap", but its still nice to see classic snake mechs getting some love.

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>>51309024
I don't mind neurohelmets getting the Flying Debris but bulky cooling vests and manties/spats must stay.
>>51305123
solid gold, I can't wait to sprite it, that and the brick shithouse dude.

>>51309024
The Combine was never great.

New player, what's the recommended way of printing record sheets?
As in, getting the printable file of the record sheet to print with all those helpful sidebars the fancy ones have, not as in how do I into printer.

>>51309138
Nuerohelmets by 3055 are so simplified, many Solaris pilots used a version that was little more than a headband so they could have their faces on camera.

The big shoulder-supported buckets are just what the average joe mechwarrior could afford and were far more rugged than advanced models.

hey /tg/ i just joined a battlemech game and have no fucking clue what im doing
all i know is i start with a free light mech (for story reasons) so help me pick out a winner
setting is 3025 but apparently we can use variants from other source material

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Hanse is asleep, post Dracs

>>51309210
SSW prints sheets and has options for what tables you want on it. Otherwise, there's pdf copies of the official record sheets in the OP that you can print specific sheets from.

>>51309244
Commando, javelin, panther, or jenner.

>>51309244
You got a faction in mind because obvious non-bug choices like Commandos, Jenners, Panthers or Valkyries are going to be tied to certain groups.

>>51309297
>Commando, javelin, panther, or jenner.
we already have javelin but thanks ill look them over
>>51309304
were freelance mercenaries atm but my character is from the outworld alliance

>>51309280
Does SSW come with the mech files or do I have to get those elsewhere?

new thread
>>51309356

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>>51309276

>>51309338
>my character is from the outworld alliance

You basically either get a Bug natively or access to some Snake/Fedrat salvage like a Panther/Jenner/Javelin/Valk