>>45005485 I don't give a sincere flying fuck what you or anyone else does with their free time. I have already stepped out of "teh hardcorez" simply cause the pedantry never changes and all I wanted was to have fun playing my games.
So, if "normies" want to join something nerdy and be "teh hardcorez" let them. the lifestyle will push them out like white blood cells get rid of viruses on the human body.
>>45005485 "Only those born as fa/tg/uys are allowed to REEEEEEEALLY do the things I do! What? le hot girl is interested into something I like? She must be a faker gamer gurl then! Probably doesn't even know that it's called a die, not dice!"
>>45005485 Since there isn't any agreed upon point at which someone goes from being a casual gamer/disinterested to being a full gamer or a true gamer or whatever the term you use is, it seems like a very subjective determination that each group would make based on their own experience. Gaming isn't something like STEM, or a job, there isn't any real accreditation besides actually spending time playing games. If someone plays games for enjoyment of some kind they are a gamer, if someone doesn't play games, or just spends their time talking about games but not participating, they are not a gamer. Being socially outcast doesn't make a person a gamer, and is not a necessary component of enjoying games, though it does tend to lead people towards traditional games, vidya, ect. The only thing being a Reeefaggot does it make it even less likely that other people will be interested in interacting with you. The only thing being a social outcast means is that you are either unpalatable to be around, or you've simply been dealt a shit hand by life and you'll have to deal with it somehow. I'd pose this question to anyone who thinks that it is. Why exactly would anyone think that an objectively harmful and unpleasant experience be some kind of accreditation for social acceptance?
As long as they are interested in playing and willing to cooperate, I welcome anybody. Only people I don't really like in my group is people who really don't try to understand the game they are playing ("LOL this is for nerds", "whatever man, this game is silly anyway") and elitist veterans who think they are hot shit.
>>45005485 No, that's bullshit. There's only one qualification to being a gamer - you enjoy playing games. It doesn't matter when you learned, or what hardships you faced - I will gladly accept anyone who sits down at my table plays some games with me, and says "that's fun, let's do it again" as a gamer. Who the hell are you to tell them they're not?
>>45005485 Sorta normie here, honestly this is what scares me away from the idea of tabletop games. I always imagine that one guy that's super hard core into it that will give me shit every step of the way because I look like someone that used to beat the shit out of him.
>>45006051 >Wait, what? It fucks with scheduling and energy levels like CRAZY. People with kids will - naturally - need to drop a fuckton of time and energy on their offspring. That's perfectly understandable and I'd do the same, but it's just not okay to have the same guy cancel five weeks in a row because something came up or fall asleep because he's just that drained. >>45006043 Is bullying really that much of an issue in bad places? I used to be huge bros with the "jocks", though it always pained me they didn't share my interests.
>>45006164 >Is bullying really that much of an issue in bad places? I dunno, I was being more humorous about it, and never beat the shit out of anyone. More thinking along the lines of a guy that was teased a lot for more than just enjoying traditional games, but somehow attributed it to them, and just being a cunter. I've never personally tried anything along those lines but I've heard a solid grip of horror stories of types like that.
>>45006126 I'll definitely look into it, honestly have no idea where I'd start in any of this though so prolly will need to google. My idea of board games is like monopoly or chess or something lol.
>>45005958 As a matter of fact, I am directly opposed to forced inclusivity, but I guess I must be some brand of SJW because we disagree on something that you don't even really elucidate. If you think you have an accurate way to better define what is and is not a gamer, please provide it, assuming of course that you actually do.
>>45005485 >being mad at normies who want to join in on traditionally nerdy hobbies Sore winners are the worst. We dealt with the bullshit we got in days past, and now that all those assholes are miserable and working in wal-mart, we've taught their children what an actually enjoyable hobby looks like and they have to watch in defeated silence as they know we've beaten them in the long game.
>>45007099 We need to go deeper. And make it an interactive porn where you pick what happens in the scene. Does the black man wins? The white? Does the winner rape the other? Brutally assfucks the MILF and jizzes on the loser? Does the MILF jump inbetween the two and assures them she can satisfy the two and it all ends in a three-way marriage?
>>45007149 The real villain is revealed to be the Baron who deceived the MILF into believing her husband was dead and the black man into thinking she loved him. Both men then defeat the Baron as new compatriots, cut his balls off and doubleteam the MILF.
It is implied that they lived happily until the MILF had a little Mulatto baby, at which point the black man mysteriously vanished.
>>45005485 Playing with "normies" is fine, but most of them have more active social lives than most of the nerd clique so end up being quite unreliable for games.
I mean, it's great when they start, they are enthusiastic, willing to learn... but after a couple of weeks playing once a week becomes playing once a fortnight, or once a month, and the game kinda peters out.
It'd be nice if more can make the time, but i don't really blame them for getting busy, i've had to drop games due to things interfering.
>>45005485 If some oldfag doesn't accept me because I wasn't bullied in high school that's their problem. My wasted time and money is just as valid as theirs, the difference is spaghetti doesn't fall out of pants when people ask me about my hobbies
>>45007317 Crazy how people born during an arbitrary period of time can dislike behaviors commonly attributed to people born in a similar period of time.
Really, a lot of folks here likely see themselves separated from the majority of folks their age with only a small group of friends, if any. So it's not hard to see how there could be a lot of millennials who dislike millennials on this board/site.
>>45007398 It's not hard to dislike millenials and Gen iPad when they teamed up with boomers to fuck everything up. >censorship back in fashion just when internet and free information became mainstream and previously Russia-occupied countries started getting their shit together >all the social justice bullshit >immigrants welcome >white males not welcome >The Cuckening intensifies
So I play Magic fairly competitively, and in that environment you see people from all walks of life. When you play at a Grand Prix or RPTQ, you're playing against people who are serious and love the game and are generally pretty cool. When you play at FNM you can play against literally any kind of person, including turbonerds and parents and kids.
I don't care who I'm playing with or against. I'm there to play a game and have fun, and winning is fun to me. If I lose, then I'm less likely to have fun, but I accept that losing comes with playing games. If we can talk during or after the game and they're cool, that's even better. Being a normie really doesn't matter.
If I'm playing D&D, all I want is people who aren't "lol so random" or people just playing angry birds and not focusing. Everyone brings something different to the table. If they're a normie who also plays D&D, what the fuck do I care? You've got nothing to prove to me. I'm there to roll dice, have fun, and do some mild improv, not push some persecution agenda.
>>45005485 >be middle school me >top dog of the social outcasts by way of least autism >alpha of the omegas >grow up a bit >realize that other groups of kids don't avoid us because they're just hateful shits >they avoid us because we smell funny, have autistic outbursts, are physically repulsive in some cases and make no attempt to be anything but asocial with them >clean up a bit >still hang out with the guys >also make an effort to be friendly to the kids that used to kick our shit in >surprise surprise, they're not so bad when you stop leering at them from across the swing set >even if the girls were a little less receptive (again, staring at people and being a beta isn't a great way to make friends) >friends continue to sit in caves playing vidya >even now, into their 20s they still throw sleepovers and play MtG >honestly pretty glad I didn't end up like that.
The fact is your 'suffering' was self-imposed. The most you can blame is your parents for not teaching you better hygiene and social skills. What happened with the big 'nerd culture' revolution is enough fringe kids made an effort to cross borders and ended up bringing the better facets of social outcasts (namely their sweet-ass card games and comics) to groups that were socially adept. So you can sperg all you like about 'muh oppression' and 'muh stigma'. But the fact is if you had been socially adept (as many tabletop players were and are) and capable of presenting yourself well and, most importantly, not going turbotalk when somebody asks what your hobbies are, you could have easily gotten by with those 'popular kids' without having to hide your personality.
The coolest, most 'popular' people I know today are exactly that: people that have their own hobbies, don't make excuses for the way they do things, and still be friendly and sociable with people who don't share the same hobbies. If you legitimately polarize the world in such a two dimensional way you're still a child in most people's eyes.
>>45007687 that's great for you and all but your utter dismissal of problems of nerds interacting with the more normal folks really bugs me. Just because you managed to deal with your obstacles doesn't mean it would be just as simple for everyone else.
You're cute OP. I was once suspended from school for taking my AD&D books and 'promoting witchcraft' with them.
I shit you not at all. After that, most people thought I was a devil worshiper and just avoided me. The only people I talked to on the regular were my D&D friends, whom everyone thought were satanists as well.
All because of some funny shaped dice and questionable illustrations.
My English teacher tried to stick up for me to the administration when I was suspended, by telling them he played D&D too. He was fired at the end of that school year. No official reason, but everyone knew it was because he was a satanist.
It wasn't all bad though. I got my first gf because she wanted to piss off her ultra-christian parents by dating me. Oral game was strong.
>>45007927 >Come on, depression isn't real, just go out and do stuff. >Picking up girls is easy, just be yourself, bro. >Just hit the gym, bro. >Just because you don't have legs doesn't mean you can't get off the sofa you lazy ass cunt, I did it, so you can too!
I was rather talking about stuff like: >Why is every reader gurl like this? >Viewers have gone mainstream, but in doing so, they've become outcasts in their own hobby
Stuff that I grabbed from the archive. Those sentences sound completely retarded in a new context, just like the examples you gave.
The point is that people don't make reading and the like into their identity, and neither should they about playing games. Having this or that hobby doesn't define you, it doesn't bind you to a dogma or call you to a crusade, and it doesn't make you special in any way.
Some people don't get this, and those people are morons. They are obnoxious now matter where you encounter them. Being an adult means knowing how to deal with morons without going insane with rage.
>>45007909 Lots of artist have been trying to define art for a long time now, and there's still now conclusion. So making sweeping statements what can and can't be art doesn't help the discussion of media.
>>45008277 And literature enthusiasts are whining about how everything was so much better in the last century and it's all going down the drain now, and how people keep buying shit books instead of their favorite timeless classics.
>>45008228 >Some people don't get this, and those people are morons.
They're not morons. They're just socially undeveloped. They never really got out of the stage where they feel compelled to share the traits of everyone else in their social circle (think high school cliques like jocks and such). They define themselves by who they are like, not who they are.
Whenever someone takes part in something that is something they see as part of their group's identity, but they don't share much else in common with that group, it causes psychological stress. It weakens their definition of 'their' group, and since their group is their self image, it weakens what little sense of self they have developed.
Not only that, but they didn't start out defining themselves as outsiders. That was a role that was created for them. Now that they've embraced it and made it their own, and prettied it up a bit, the mainstream wants it back.
Or at least that's what it seems like. In reality, it's probably that people in the mainstream have seen the negative portrayal and feel guilty about it, so they're trying to mend the bridge, but the nerds are twice shy.
>>45008367 >It's actually kind of sad Yes, it is. But when people get angry, they tend to become less empathic.
>>45008365 Yes? Games are a different medium than books or movies. Is that a counter to anything I've said? I could only assume that you are saying that things that interact with the audience cannot be art.
>>45005485 Sort of. If you join my game saying you are "very experienced in Pathfinder" and you ask me, "How do I power attack?" during combat then you are a retarded scrub and you are gone from my group.
>>45008560 You can't learn to not be mentally retarded. But you can learn to not be socially retarded - or at least enough that it's not obvious you're socially retarded, the way it's obvious you're mentally retarded. It's a fuckton of effort, you're going to feel miserable a lot, and you're going to wonder why you're doing it - but at the end, you're able to live the life you actually want to live, not the one you've been living because you had no choice, and that's worth it.
No. Just do whatever it takes to fix your fucking life, instead of whining and making excuses.
Stephen Fry suffers from crippling depression. They made him a national treasure of the United Kingdom. James Earl Jones and Sam Jackson, both men known for their amazing voices, stutter. A MAN WITH NO LEGS RAN IN THE FUCKING OLYMPICS.
Get out of your own way, motherfucker. Get therapy. Get on pills. Get a spiritual councillor. Take a class. Do whatever it takes. Just fucking stop being a useless piece of meat.
>>45006189 > I've never personally tried anything along those lines but I've heard a solid grip of horror stories of types like that. Well shit. >>45006296 >Bullying can be surprisingly damaging and a lot of people can hold onto that grudge for a long time and project it onto others. I imagine, I'm just asking whether it really happens a lot. >>45008880 >Man, Get on my level son, I have two kids and still GM like a boss. That's good for you, anon.
>>45009076 But don't you need to have something in common with people to be part of that group? I hung out with normies because they were friends of friends, but any interaction with them was just a fleeting conversation. I really don't know why people would want to know a bunch of random people.
What's wrong with a small group of friends you share commons interests with?
What's so good about a large group of friends you don't share interests with?
Why bother with the latter group? I'd rather be reading but they make me feel bad for reading instead of talking and I have to put on my normie persona, since the boisterous (to put it nicely) side I use while gaming doesn't go well with most people.
>>45007896 >just because a human being is capable of achieving something doesn't mean other human beings aren't capable of accomplishing the same feat. Well I suppose if you ran your game in the back of the short bus (which I suspect is the case) this would be a legitimate argument.
>>45008044 This shit pisses me off. Just goes to show have fucking stupid human cattle are to believe such ridiculous shit and react so poorly to something as harmless as a game.
I remember when my friend's mom told me not to talk about DnD because it was "sorcery". This very same bitch flipping out over me playing a game was a "Christian" who would happily hand over money to a "psychic" to "speak with the dead". She's dead now.
This. I'm 25 and based on my memory of 4chan user stats the majority of people posting here should be within a few years of me, slanted to the younger side if anything. I think the transformation of nerd hobbies from outcast-tier to accepted began or at least reached mainstream around the time I was in HS/college, probably assisted by the popularity of video games like WoW. I was considered weird in middle school and high school for being into MTG and DnD and I remember feeling embarrassed and hiding it for the most part (I would even stuff all my cards into drawers at home because I didn't like my parents/siblings to find them laying around). But I was never seriously bullied by peers or shamed by adults, for which I feel grateful. My DnD group in college included some long-time nerds in addition to people who were new to the hobby (including girls). By that time I was also over feeling like normal people were out to get me and it turned out to be a great group.
I feel bad for people who had to endure actual persecution for being into nerd hobbies (something that seems downright silly today), but things are better now than they've ever been. I think perhaps the reason a lot of people in the gaming community feel uneasy or upset about the normalization of games is that the former outcast status made it a sort of haven for social misfits. The sense of community among people who all felt isolated from other people made it meaningful in a sense above and beyond the actual gaming part. So it is a bit sad that that world is disappearing, but I think it's just the circle of life that one subculture gets replaced by another.
I'll do you one better. You remember when Harry Potter was all the rage, like the second movie had just come out or something? Do you remember that stink evangelicals made about the scar on his forehead being the mark of the Beast?
The town I live in had a book burning, where they gathered up a shitload of Harry Potter books, Pokemon and MtG cards, and burned them publically near a game store, to show their 'defiance of the satanic liberal agenda and those that profit from it.' I couldn't make this shit up.
You might still be able to find news stories on it.
>>45008065 >I actively avoid looking at people Well there's a whole different can of worms. but how about you exercise a little control over your spergometer and try to chill out for once?
For instance, refer to the greentext below for the proper answer as opposed to what you want to say (plaintext)
>hello anon, how are you today?
Well I woke up and realized my guild account had been permabanned so I had to spend almost all morning working out what happened and dealing with the monogloid on the other end of customer support >Oh, not bad. and you?
>Oh, I'm fine. I was just about to get some coffee.
You know, I ran this hilarious campaign once where I played a lich that opened his own chain of medieval starbucks and put the souls of the damned into each cup so that everyone who drank his coffee would become depressed. Of course this was all fairly normal for the setting where we had a sex wizard and a demon bard that could play maracas with his taint and- >Really? I was just headed that way myself.
>Oh, well maybe we can catch up over a cup?
-so the demon would shake his ass at his enemies to stun them with his astonishing maraca skills. So you like coffee huh? I do tea personally, I went to Japan for a semester, well I didn't really go, it was an online class in Japanese. But I'd drink green tea when I took it and rolled my own sushi, I mean, it was in a kit for 20.00 at Wal-Mart but it was pretty decent, not like the traditional Japanese stuff though. I'm such a weirdo LAWL. Anyway maybe you'd like to accompany me to get a cup of refreshing bean juice m'la- where are you going? >Sounds great. I haven't seen you in, gosh, what is it, 3 years? What have you been up to?
>>45005485 This has been true for literally everything and being old and mad about it doesn't make you special, it just makes it more pathetic that you can't let go. Enjoy that what you fought for is commonly acceptable now.
>>45008078 >Be 12 >diagnose self with depression because you have no friends or energy >have suffered literally no traumatic experiences in your life >convince yourself it's real and use catch 22 logic to keep yourself in a state of perpetual victimhood
>>45005485 No, because I'm not a retard who thinks that being a social reject is an important part of the hobby just because it's full of social rejects.
There's a lot of fa/tg/uys out there who are bitter that the normal people who suddenly adopted their hobby doesn't really look up to or care about them, that's all there is to it. A lot of normal people picked up nerdy hobbies, but it didn't magically make all the nerds normal.
>>45005485 Im rather happy that TGs got out of NEET territory, my group smells a lot better, i dont have to print copy of my books because i dont want them to be destroyed by some stupid neckbeard with greasy hands, there is a lot less sperging out and arguing at my table. Overall the social inept but still able to interact with people nerd is a way better model than the 80s social outcast nerd who is angry at everything
>>45007596 Dies is still correct. Even by the logic of that article, dice is an uncountable or simply uncounted group or number of dies. Dies is to die like persons is to person, and dice is to people.
>>45005485 Precocious, socially inept, can't talk to girls, can't stand up for himself, gets really, REALLY into obscure trivia and escapism. >Yes, obviously it's because I enjoy D&D that my peers don't accept me, it can't be anything else, I am a martyr of nerdhood. Nerdy hobbies suddenly become popular, D&D is chique and mainstream, he's still not popular. >Ff, fuckin' normies man, they c, can't steal my culture! They didn't suffer like I did. Dear dorks. Please get over yourselves and shower more often. Sincerely Normal people
>>45007896 Best friend in high school (holy shit over a decade ago) was head cheerleader , had keggers at my house, and I could carry a conversation with everyone in the school without drooling on myself.
I have a bookcase full of RPG books, table top games, and more bookshelves full of scifi/fantasy literature. Most of my free time is either gaming or bullshitting about gaming.
There is no difference between "nerds" and "normies". You just haven't gotten to the point where you realize that "we're all just folk now".
>>45007687 >alpha of the omegas Tis a strange thing to be the One-eyed King of the Blind, I pretty happily jettisoned numerous "friends" after graduating secondary who I really only interacted with out of some misplaced hope of fixing them.
Nigger, you sound just like a typical tumblrina telling people that they just don't understand what it's like to be a tri-gendered fictionkin with headmates you have to constantly stop from raping each other.
The only thing you didn't do was tell him to check his privilege.
>>45009932 I do everything I can to keep the topic away from my hobbies. They ask what I'm reading and I'll just say "it's a sci-fi book, like Star Wars" or something along those lines and change the subject to focus on them instead.
>>45009669 I'm pretty sure the constant bullying and raging was more of an issue in school than my hobbies, anyway. Little shits. Turns out getting rid of one set of bullies just signaled to the rest that I'm easily angered so I got new bullies. Couldn't ignore them since they got physical.
>>45010253 normalfags are fucking retarded. No really.
You can tell them all about the facts; not just evolutionary facts but facts about the world at large; you can tell them that the bodies of all living things are made up of million of tiny cells, or that every surface is covered with bacteria, or just how thin the Earth's crust is compared to most of its mass, or anything else and it doesn't matter to them. It doesn't instill a sense of discovery or wonder or anything.
All normalfags want is their own lives to go as swimmingly as possible. They don't want to make their own opinions, they don't ask questions at school, they don't care about what their actions are or how they relate to the world at large, they just want money, shallow hobbies, and parrot everything their parents told them to say without ever stopping to think why it might be right. And when told they are wrong or they need to have an open mind, they'll get defensive and mad.
Best friend in high school (holy shit over a decade ago) was starting quarterback, had keggers at my house, and I could carry a conversation with everyone in the school without drooling on myself. I could pretend to be a normie, sure, but it was boring and I knew no one would accept my actual interests like RPGs, video games, and shitty fantasy novels.
Talking with him or others about nerdy hobbies was a NO. Finding other nerds to game with was very difficult, and finding new people for RPGs was even harder. I always felt like I have to hide my nerd hobbies because they are most certainly looked down on. Off-handedly mentioning to a girl that I played DnD once is a sure-fire way to getting dropped like a turd.
Seeing people pick up nerd culture and pretending they are hardcore nerds is understandably frustrating, but it is not something worth people getting mad about.
>>45010353 no, we just were social retards, some of us got over the bullying some did not. I for one dont want others to go threw what i did and be me, a shitty little boy, with next to no friends who almost fucked up his life because of it. I dont like the idea of RPGs becoming mainstream because it will get us a fuck load of shitty players but i like the idea of it becoming more sociably accepteble and beaing treated like a normal hobby
As long as the person is willing to actually integrate into the culture to a point where they're not a liability or hindrance to the group's experience I couldn't care less what their background is.
My group has a girl that had never played a tabletop game in her life beyond Betrayal at House on the Hill and her only knowledge of fantasy was Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones. But we gave her a PDF of the player's handbook and a week to prep and she showed up as the most badass wizard ever.
>>45010397 >he thinks /tg/ has been a good board for the last 5 years This board has been continuously gangraped by retarded mods, SA goons, tumblrfags, redditors and 1d4fags for years now. /tg/ seriously has a reputation as some kind of a "non-offensive safe space in the middle of a sea of shit" outside 4chan, which attracts filth here.
>>45010535 >As long as the person is willing to actually integrate into the culture to a point where they're not a liability or hindrance to the group's experience I couldn't care less what their background is.
So what you're saying is you hate Jews and Muslims then?
>>45010514 >You talk with your sports friends about athletics, you talk with your drinking buddies about that nice bottle of whiskey you got, and you don't talk to your LGS buds because they do not exist and nerd culture is entirely absent or hidden here. You never talk about monks. There's not even a LGS here.
>>45010395 >Couldn't ignore them since they got physical. That's when you just beat the shit out of them. Preferably in a highly visible socially acceptable way. Football is great for that. Also hockey.
>>45009978 >traumatic experiences are necessary for depression >everyone with depression should just man up and stop faking Not even him, but I have sought professional help and been diagnosed with long term clinical depression and I would like to say go fuck your self you shit stain of a human
>>45010564 wait what? How? I mean /tg/ is pretty light comp eared to /b/ or /pol/ when it comes to politics, but like every one here hates X cards and special snowflakes, most people get a laugh from both far right fantasy and far left fantasy and dont want to know about you sexuality if they dont need to when playing
>>45010584 uh huh. That's why I don't hang out with normies. As they might think they're boisterous or whatever word they'd use while I just see them as being annoying. This is a clear sign I don't belong in that situation. I can only bring the mood down with my own personality since my 'happy' self doesn't mix well with others.
>>45010629 Unfortunately, my school had no sports with tackling. I once got to run a gauntlet of padded human obstacles at school but since I'm the biggest guy they all got out of my way. No fun at all.
>>45010252 >Normal people Get the fuck out of here, faggot. You may share a hobby with us, but you should discuss it with the like-minded normies you can find on reddit, facebook or other shitholes. This one is for us dorks.
>>45010798 Neither did my school when I was there. Fortunately they did have a football field from before contact games were banned by the stupid fucking zero-tolerance no violence crowd, so pick-up football on weekends and after school were pretty popular.
>>45010798 Fair enough. Being boisterous is the mask I put on to fit in with most groups, and it is mostly just a mask. For me though it's worth it because I crave social activity and interaction. If you don't i ca see why you wouldn't put the effort in, but then you can't blame normies for being themselves, wanting to have hobbies, or people who want to fit in from tryin their hardest to fit in, ya know?
>>45005485 I used to back when I was a bitter lonely nerd trying to find any reason to think myself better than others. But you know what I noticed? The people who called themselves "hardcore" and "gamers" were generally shitty people that had nothing else going on in their lives outside of that.
So I worked my ass off to improve myself and I guess I am a normie now. I play the same games as those disgusting neckbeards, and it is hilarious how bitter so many of them are and a few of my old "friends" actually resent me and hate seeing me at the LGS now because the thought of someone bettering themselves and not being defined by a label vexes their tiny NEET mind.
>>45010840 I am interested in many things and most of those things are not interesting to the public because most of those things are "nerd culture" which you have already established as something that should not be discussed.
However, would my sports buddies have any issue talking about alcohol? Not at all! Would my drinking buddies have any issue talking about sports? Not at all! Would either of them have an issue listening to me talk about cooking a fish, something none of them are interested in at all? Not at all! They might actually become interested in cooking their own fish in the future. But nerd culture is off-limits. It is a dirty, shameful, taboo topic that can not be brought up around the uninitiated.
Basically in my environment, nerd culture is taboo unless you are a qt3.14 gamurrrr grill.
>>45010946 >you can't blame normies for being themselves, wanting to have hobbies, ya know? I'm not doing that, other people getting in the comment chains might, also OP. I just use the word 'normies' since I don't know a better word.
>>45011172 Yeah I wasn't sure, just thought I'd throw that in there for good measure. There's nothing wrong with being a loner, or a person with only a small clique or group of friends, or w/e social situation you refer to have. There really really isn't, as long as the social situation you are in is the one you actually want to be in. Not just one you stuck yourself in and then got all sour grapes at people who didn't make that mistake, like OP.
>>45011141 Trust me, I have looked. The fact that finding a friend to talk about sports is thousands of times easier than finding a friend to talk about RPGs is telling.
>There is no difference between "nerds" and "normies".
Nerds are few and far between, they hide their interests because their interests are taboo.
Normies are everywhere. They gladly talk about whose jersey they bought so they can play dress-up as their favorite athlete, but it's not creepy or pathetic. They can talk about how they puked for a day after binge drinking, but that is totally normal and cool. They can talk about how they fucked the shy girl at the library and then dumped her, but that's not weird or anything.
God forbid someone talk about DnD in public! That would be really weird and uncomfortable! Those people are different!
A friend of mine worked at WotC in Customer Support in early days. A woman called up to say that she was burning all her kid's cards because they were Satanic.
He goes "Don't do that! The fumes would be quite toxic. Shred them instead." When she expressed surprise, he said that they already had their money from the cards, and whatever was done with them after wasn't their concern, except for safety issues.
>>45011274 >God forbid someone talk about DnD in public! That would be really weird and uncomfortable! Those people are different!
I don't see this. I talk about my gaming hobbies to see if anyone is interested in joining.
Hell, the HR manager at work is now a gamer because I introduced him to "Betrayal at House on the Hill". He's buying a board game every month, where before it wasn't even something he'd consider.
The demonization of gamers is a relic of a bygone era that rarely exists in the majority of people; are there some that will be dicks and try to make you feel bad about your hobbies? Sure, but who cares what a handful of people think?
Most people will either be apathetic to your interests if they aren't interested, or their curiosity will be piqued and they'll ask. Very few people are going to be vehemently against your hobbies unless you give them reason to be.
>it's not being socially retarded. it's being a loser, freak, misfit, etc >it's not being physically retarded. it's being puny, slow, fat, deformed, etc
Why can't we just use words the way they're supposed to be used anymore? Why can't we just call a thing what it is? We don't need to pathologize everything, or make things sound less harsh than they are.
Fuck me, it's like people WANT everyone to have some kind of excuse for being fucked up.
>It's not your fault that you pick your nose & wipe it on your pants while you're in the lunchroom, anon. You're just socially retarded. >If girls don't wanna date you because of your stench, that's them being ableist against the hygienically retarded, anon, and no fault of yours.
>>45005485 No, I don't care what people call themselves. I have never considered myself a hardcore gamer or anything of the sort, and I did grow up at a time when playing games was considered weird past a certain age. I even remember how Vampire the Masquerade was considered a possible cause for a murder that happened when I was little. Hell, people still don't quite get what playing tabletop games other than Monopoly actually means where I live.
What does bother me, however, is when people say >oh, just like in Big Bang Theory when they ask and I try to explain.
>>45010401 neckbeards are fucking retarded. No really.
You can tell them all about the facts; not just evolutionary facts but facts about the world at large; you can tell them that the bodies of all living things are made up of million of tiny cells, or that every surface is covered with bacteria, or just how thin the Earth's crust is compared to most of its mass, or anything else and it doesn't matter to them. It doesn't instill a sense of discovery or wonder or anything.
All neckbeards want is their own games to go as swimmingly as possible. They don't want to relate to other people, they don't talk to anybody at work, they don't care about what their actions are or how they relate to the world at large, they just want tendies, shallow hobbies, and parrot everything the internet told them to say without ever stopping to think why it might be right. And when told they are wrong or they need to have an open mind, they'll get defensive and mad.
>>45010401 And all sperglord neckbeards like you just want to be bitter and have a false sense of superiority for their intellect that is shunned by the world at large.
I've found that during my transition from sperglord to normalcool, alot of people are always happy to learn about stuff and have new concepts and ideas explained to them if you can do it in a way that isn't condescending, which is something the neckbeard does not understand. The neckbeard thinks normies should be happy that they decided to come down from their pedestal and illuminate their mind with knowledge, which is absolutely fucking stupid.
Your post just oozes bitterness and anger towards to world at large and I am seriously sad for you.
>he thinks retardation is the same as mental damage
If you're less socially adjusted than your peers, you are socially retarded. If your intellect is less developed than your peers, you are mentally retarded.
One can choose to be stupid, and also choose to stop being stupid. Not all retardation is due to brain damage or lack of potential, some of it is simply due to unrealized potential. I was socially retarded when I was in K-12 age. I developed rather quickly once I got to college.
>>45011596 Definitely in a better part of it than me, then. If I say anything about D&D in public I'll immediately get dirty looks and people whispering because this is a part of the US where the stupid Satanic panic never ended.
Dude, no. I am as neckbeard as anyone in /tg/. I am 40, have been playing RPGs since I was 9, and wrote some self-published d20 stuff.
Literally everything you just said describes someone with Asperger's Syndrome, and in no way applies to me. Yet here I am, the groggiest grognard you'll ever converse with, sitting here in my gym shorts and socks, wrapped with a blanket, having just eaten a hot pocket, and talking in /tg/. You are competely, utterly, and forevermore blown the fuck out.
>>45011642 >he thinks retardation is the same as mental damage
No, he doesn't. He thinks people try to attach clinical term to a thing to lessen their own culpability in the phenomenon.
>I was socially retarded when I was in K-12 age.
To translate, you had overbearing parents (probably mostly your mother) who didn't understand you were just fucking shy, and once you got out from under her you were okay. Now you have to get people to believe social retardation is a thing to justify all the trips she made you make to the therapist.
>>45005485 Well, let me take both sides of the issue. I'm an oldfag, and I remember the rock scene when it was really in its infancy. The thing is, rock started out as something very different from what it became. It was a musical scene dominated by very, very obsessed people with a deep and nuanced love for the music.
It was also grimy, filthy, and ugly. Every stereotype of dirty hippies you can imagine, those stereotypes were true. Part of the initial revulsion that older people at the time felt for rock was due to the fans being gross, socially unacceptable people.
Tabletop gaming was never really like that, but it had elements of that. A lot of fat neckbeards, a lot of balding greasy 30-somethings, a lot of pathetic manchildren, sure. Obsessive people tend to be weird. But like the musical scene, it had geniuses, and a rich culture of highly game-literate people who really loved the hobby and knew everything about it.
As time goes on, though, scenes tend to become more inclusive, first because it is profitable, and also because it is natural. As the scene expands and becomes more inclusive, there is a definite sense among the "old" fans (often new fans who are just emulating the old) that they are being pushed out or marginalized in the hobby/scene that they love.
And it's true. That is what's happening. But the hard core always survives, even when the normies flood in. They might rattle the cage, but they cannot truly change the heart of the hobby, because that would require an investment of time and effort that they simply cannot put in. But the attention they do pay has a positive effect on the hobby. It breathes life into it.
You saw this in Tabletop Gaming with the Forge crowd and the wash of storygame bullshit that defined the early aughts. In the end, it meant nothing. The core of gaming emerged untouched. So it will always be.
Oh, no. I wasn't shy. I went out of my way to make friends. My social skills were less developed than most people. Some of that was not entirely my fault (anyone who is homeschooled has a certain amount of social retardation from that), and since I caught up quickly once I had a group of friends who both A: accepted me, and B: would tell me when I fucked up, the problem wasn't inherent to me, but primarily due to environment. Never went to a therapist. Not even when I probably should have gone.
>>45011772 >To translate, you had overbearing parents (probably mostly your mother) who didn't understand you were just fucking shy, and once you got out from under her you were okay. Now you have to get people to believe social retardation is a thing to justify all the trips she made you make to the therapist. Ouch. Not same guy but that cuts pretty close.
You know, I know that the slippery slope is a fallacious argument, but it really seems to apply here. If you give those ass-fucking weasel-words shit peddlers an inch with language, they will take a mile, and words will cease to have any meaning.
It's fucking unbelievable how fucking gay this guy is.
Everyone goes through that shit in high-school. People still do, stop deluding yourself into thinking that tabletop gaming has become more acceptable, or "less-nerdy" in the last few years. All that's happened is that as you've gotten older, so have your peers, and MOST people once they hit the age of 22ish stop judging others on their hobbies. It's not something YOU have gone through exclusively you fucking idiot. It's something everyone who's nerdy in high-school goes through.
Now let me tell you the other side of that. The truth is, a lot of us got picked on a lot in high-school because we fucking deserved it. We played Dragon Ball at recess, we made mouth-noises to emulate energy blasts, we talked non-stop about video games, or anime, or D&D, and we acted like fucking autists all the god damn time. Many of us couldn't even tell when a girl thought we were cute, and trust me when I say, we were all given plenty of chances.
But most of us grew up, and realized that just as much as you don't want to hear about your co-workers community basket-ball game, they don't want to hear about your fucking D&D campaign, unless they've shown an interest. But there were those of us who didn't grow up. There were those who just kept on talking to people who DIDN'T FUCKING CARE about their latest D&D campaign. And somehow, these idiots thought that by not conforming to POLITE SOCIAL ETIQUETTE, they were being "hardcore". They suddenly thought they were better than everyone because they were still acting like god-damn elementary school kids pretending to be Naruto.
Guess what you autist, if you run around with your arms behind your back and a Naruto headband on, YOU DESERVE TO GET MADE FUN OF. If you can't see the humor in that, YOU DESERVE IT.
Just because you went through the same shit we ALL did, doesn't make you any better than any of us. We all got picked on in elementary/high-school.
What is it with people wanting to be a victim these days? Has society changed so much that it's good for other people to treat you like shit? Or is it just malingering, hoping someone will believe you and give you special treatment because of your horrible life?
Honestly, my issue with this mass appeal is that it always dilutes hobbies. Specialist games become less produced while lowest common denominator garbage gets pumped out for cheap profit. Nothing good comes from mass appeal
And I don't have a victim complex, but your point about "lol lots of girls liked you in high school but you ignored them" is patently false.
> Go write a fucking blog post about how marginalized D&D players are you special snowflake.
They aren't. See that's the thing, no one gave a shit about being "marginalized," we just enjoyed playing our game. But then everyone else started sticking their nose in it and making hipster podcasts about it, and having it played by fucking Wil Wheaton and Felicia Day, and it just became embarassing. Like having your dad open the door on your masturbating into a teddy bear. You're enjoying it, it's fun, but why does everyone else have to look at it all of the sudden?
>>45007991 Tell me about it. How does anyone put up with the guys who can't tell the difference between cane sugar and corn syrup, don't know the definition of a cola, and think that Mountain Dew Throwback is obscure? The kind that have never even HEARD of Virgil's or Root 66 or tasted actual sarsaparilla? And they're still all 'HURR DURR I LIKE SODA."
Stop projecting. No one here wants to be a victim except yourself. No one else here is pandering for sympathy. But when you act like "lol everyone who gets bullied deserves it" and projecting your own idiotic Naruto behavior onto others, you will get called out on it, and you will get BTFO as you just did.
I have no idea honestly. I think it has to do with the entire "there are no losers" thing that a lot of us experienced in elementary/high-school. A lot of people haven't gotten as much experience with failure and ridicule during their formative years as maybe our parents, and especially our grandparents did. When they make it to the real world, the only way they know how to cope with criticism, or the harsh realities of the world is by becoming a victim to it, rather than taking the challenge head on.
I also think it's part of the human condition too. People have a hard time even comprehending how someone wouldn't enjoy an activity that they might enjoy, yet are quick to judge others on activities that they themselves don't enjoy.
There are certainly plenty of people in this community who seem to adopt this kind of mindset though, and I don't just mean /tg/, I mean 4chan as a whole. It's funny, because a lot of people here act like internet tough-guys, but in the end a lot of them are just as whiny and trigger by mundane shit as tumblr is.
Nigger, what? I am not the person you think I am, apparently. I never aid anything about Naruto, or said everyone who gets bullied deserves it. Maybe you should re-check your reply chains or something.
>>45012471 >cars have mass appeal Doing mechanic work doesn't have mass appeal
>computers have mass appeal The internet existed before computers were even remotely popular and the Internet was far better when it was a bunch of middle aged sysadmins using it. >books have mass appeal A good book hasn't come out in 60~ years
Fucking internet armchair psychologist at work. You have no idea what projecting is, you're just using it as a catch-all term against my idea that people who are "hardcore" about D&D need to grow the fuck up.
>>45011855 Well yeah, the rhetoric has of coursed influenced the development of my generation (which I openly recognize and work hard to counteract) but back in the 90's there were actual legitimate grievances that non-white Americans and female Americans had in American society. It wasn't on par with Emancipation, the Civil Rights movement, and Sufferage or anything, but there was still some pretty hefty discrimination against non-white and female Americans in a workplace environment, especially here in Texas.
The whole "don't blame your bad social skills on mental illness" meme makes me sad
People who believe in free will make me sad. You don't choose who you are or what your struggles will be, and even though your choices may determine how you feel, you didn't choose to feel how you did when you made the decision
People who are self righteous will point to the moment when somebody made the wrong decision and say "see that moment, you should feel bad about yourself because of that moment", and they ignore the forces that conspired together to create that decision
There is no difference between somebody with depression and somebody "who just needs to suck it up and work on their social skills"
It's the same shit, everything you do is because of your brain, one way of interpreting depression just makes not depressed people feel better about themselves, "it's their fault", "if they had just been more like me they wouldn't be depressed"
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