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Last thread was a train wreck (OPs need to be obvious)

Tron is the best deck in the meta right now. How do you feel?
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>>44730699
Feels great, being a GR tron player.
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>>44733640
I hope you have a second Modern deck for post-OGW.
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>>44730699
what do you think the problem with tron is? personally I had that smug cunt ugin. I could fight through a karn before, it was rougher than anal with no lube, but sometimes with the right draws it worked. ugin is just NOPE GET SHITFUCKED CUNT and dominates the game vs. anything midrange/aggro.

I wouldn't be sad to see that fucker go the way of treasure cruise.
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>>44734543
ban ancient stirrings already. pay G dig 5 for any land, artifact, or karn or ugin or any eldrazi is pretty fucking strong and gives the deck a lot of inevitability. would also bash amulet's kneecaps without giving it the pod treatment.
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>>44734543
Ugin and Eye of Ugin are what fuck me up.
As soon as Ugin hits the field, it's over. He can wipe my whole board and not even put himself in bolt range. That's retarded.
Eye of Ugin sucks since even after I Fulminator Mage their tower 3 times in a row, they'll still have all their lands up, put Eye out, and just drop Emrakul or Ulamog the next turn.
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Is storm a fun deck to play?
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Is scalding tarn gonna go back down a bit?
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Birthing Pod unban?
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>>44734848
is fun if you like to be watched while you jerk off 5 minutes to win
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>>44735012
This
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>>44735027
Oh no. Sorry I asked.
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Why are people so fucking butthurt about Bloom
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>>44735702
current variant of jerking of the combo for 5 minutes in proud tradition of eggs and storm.
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>>44735702
Because it forces you to play a different way and to most magic players different is BAD
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>>44734848
>>44734848
>Is storm a fun deck to play?
>is fun if you like to be watched while you jerk off 5 minutes to win

>>44735702
>>44735808
>Why are people so fucking butthurt about Bloom
>current variant of jerking of the combo for 5 minutes in proud tradition of eggs and storm.

Is Modern all about who's is starting to jerk off for five minutes first right now ?
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>>44736373
Yes. This will remain as long as Urza Tron remains legal. The Tron deck is way too good at crushing fair decks and it's everywhere: you can't justify playing a fair deck because it has severe difficulty at trying to beat everything, has instant-lose cards like linear decks (Blood Moon / Choke / Boil (Boiling Seas) are basically Stony Silence for Jund/Abzan/Grixis) and can't beat Tron.

I mean sure Tron isn't the *only* reason fair decks are dead, but the deck pushes them all out of the competitive scene.

And since there are no fair decks to police out linear decks, then you get even MORE non-interactive decks.

tl;dr Masturbation Contest as long as Tron exists

>ur mad

I play Amulet Bloom. If my deck should be banned, Tron needs to get the fuck out too.
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>>44736629
It just seems that fair decks need more tools to keep up with these super fast non linear decks. Blue is at the moment kind of shit and only presented in twin and grixis control, where the latter doesn't run usually a single counterspell, because they are pretty shit in this meta.

Is it possible to run monoW(or hatebears) with 4 phyrexian revokers on main? It feels like it's one of the few answers that work on Ugin/Karn and Lili. Also maindeck spellskites are coming. Better prep those artifact removals.
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I know what the Coastal Wizards need to do.

Unban cloudpost and pod.
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>>44736629
Ban karn, newlamog and emmy, tron will survive but be trash
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ITT: salty modrange players who dont want to deal with tron
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>>44739021
You like to jerk off too?
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>>44739061
No, I like to play a good deck :^)
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Doesn't affinity shit on tron?
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>>44739103
While jerking off
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>>44739121
no, burn does
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Obvious solution is to unban DRS, BBE, Punishing Fire and reprint Hymn.
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>mfw I play infect in a tron heavy meta
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>>44739228

>chalice for 1
>...gg?
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>>44730699
>How do you feel?

Feels pretty good my local meta doesn't copy decks, everyone builds their "good" decks. I myself run Naya Allies
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What's a good first deck for a heavy aggro player
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>>44739582
stompy
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>>44739007
>tron will survive but will be trash
My wet dream.
Now we'll see if that fat 15yo at my LGS will stop sucking dick. How can someone play so poorly?
I lost to him once, bought four ghost quarters and hasn't lost to him ever since.
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>Pod unban
>end the tron tyranny
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>>44737988
>saying "thinking" after every activation, even if you don't have anything
>grabbing their cards without asking first
People who do this should not be allowed to play Magic.
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>>44739021
That's me, aside from tron I got my ass kicked by every other deck last week though
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>>44739121
>>44739121
infect and burn absolutely crush tron. Affinity has a good matchup but not to the same degree as the other two decks.
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When is prerelease? I want to open new packs already.
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>>44739868
Tron had an excellent Pod matchup. I bet it's even better now with Ugin and Ulamog.
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>>44736629
>Ban Tron and Bloom
Someone please listen to this man!
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>>44739021
>ITT decks that don't set up a kill on turn 3 CAN'T deal with tron
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>>44741167
This upcoming weekend, my friend
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>>44730699
p good
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How do I sideboard as GR tron? Im not sure what to remove from the mainboard whenever I sideboard.
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>>44739103
>dies to any decent aggro deck
>ghost quarter and stony silence makes it literally impossible to play
kek
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>>44730699
Im looking to get into MTG, what should i expect. How is the learning process? Is this a game to pick up and play or does a lot of practice need to be done. I want to know what i am getting myself into.
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>>44730699
Agreed.
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>>44742392
Why use newlamog, instead of old Ulamog, is destroy target permanent not strong enough?
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>>44742931
I get to exile two permanents Newlamog. Have you not read the card?
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>>44743078
Ooooooooo
But does it go back to your deck or just live out its life in the graveyard.
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>>44730699
>How do you feel?
Liberated
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Also can we all just talk about what's going on with these new waste land type.
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Why not counter their turn 3 fatty and then completely invalidate the Tronfag's entire strategy with Crumble to Dust?

That's my plan if I have to face it, don't know if it will work yet but it's worth a shot.
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>>44743128

It's a basic land(so easy to cheat out, unbeatable by nonbasic hate) that

1) produces dedicated colorless for "colorless matters" spells and abilities
2) isn't referenced outside OGW, so it will dodge land type hate
3) provides a 6th basic land type for Domain, run it in Zoo to do 6 damage for 2 mana :^)
4) is legal in colorless EDH
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>>44743193
I now understand.
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I play RG tron so whatevs
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>>44743097
I don't even miss annihilator.
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>>44743230
I miss bringing back all my karns just to fuck with people.
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>>44743193
It has no land type. It doesn't work with Domain.
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>>44743262

I stand corrected.
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>>44743293
Fug ok
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>>44740010
Burn is the reason I have thragtusk in my sideboard.
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>>44739582
>>44739616

So is Stompy actually competitive now despite being a $20 deck?

>green stompy becomes top 8 meta deck
>strangleroot geist becomes a $10 card
>grognards scramble to pick up the full art versions to show how legit of magic players they are for owning them
>pic related sees play for the first time in MTG history, as necessary tech for the mirror match

it would be glorious
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Every. Fucking. Day.
What the shit?
Every day you fags are calling for a new ban.
Stop your god damned bitching about X, Y, or Z deck that beat you today and just play the game or shut the fuck up.
>We aren't playing chess, every deck cant be equal.
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>>44743563
Thankyou. :'^)
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>ITT: salty non-tron players who cant afford newly-$90-groves and keep whining in every modern thread
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>>44742577
>dies to any decent aggro deck
False.
>ghost quarter and stony silence makes it literally impossible to play
>What is Crucible of Worlds, Nature's Claim, Sylvan Scrying, drawing natural Tron, Karn -3
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>>44743360
>Stompy
>Ever viable
XDDDD
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>>44744258
>implying that after I ghost quarter one or two pieces of it you'll top deck fast enough to kill me
>implying that I won't bring artifact removal for crucible of worlds
>implying I won't destroy your hand with discard
>implying that after all that you will be able to put Karn on the table before I kill you
Really, if you even put Karn on the table you will be at such a low life total that I won't even matter.
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>>44744132
Fuck man, I play r/g tron and I can't afford willows. I just play the painland. It helps that my FLGS is full of scrubs and nobody plays burn
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>>44746721
So how goes the amulet bloom match up?
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You are foolish if you think Tron isn't getting nerfed/banned. It bottlenecks Wizards by forcing them to be careful with new colorless giants like Ugin and Ulamog. As a bonus it's pushing fair decks out of the format and is pretty clearly the best deck in the format bar none.

Ancient Stirrings is stupid and would go a long way to nerf Tron, although I think the deck is too cancerous as a whole to keep around.
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>>44746807
You know damn well that they can't ban any of the big stars. Realistically it will be the lands. This is almost the same situation the 12-post was in. Any deck that produces that much mana, that quickly is going to get the axe. Unfortunately that also means we wont see a reprint of them, so I guess buy the urza lands now?
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Wow I just bought a MM2 booster.

Pulled a Mox Opal and a foil Leyline of Sanctity. That shit is pretty cash.
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>>44746889
I'm saying Urza Tron is getting axed (the lands) or Ancient Stirrings. Karn Ugin Ulamog Emrakul aren't going anywhere.
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>>44746889
>so I guess buy the urza lands now?
Already have mine. But what format are you planning on using them in that isn't Modern?
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There's 2 burn decks and 2 infect decks at my LGS. One guy came in from a rival shop playing a foiled out Tron and was bragging about free money. He went 0-4 and hasn't showed up since.

I'll tell ya, nothing is as fun as watching the infect player kill a Tron player the turn before dropping a Karn.
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>>44746736
No one plays this deck around here, so I don't know. But Tron isn't a problem for me :^)
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>>44747092
Can't tron just bring in pyroclasm or something to force out pump spells before combat?
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>>44746721
>I stack my deck and draw my whole sideboard in every game
>implying destroying crucible is enough once you get the tron piece back from the bin and play Ugin/Ulamog/O-Stone
>he thinks junk has a good MU vs tron
>>44747177
Any player with a brain wouldn't keep an opener without either a pyroclasm or ghost quarter against infect, Rending Volley hits Blighted Agent, many players run Spellskite in main these days. Chalice on 1 is game.
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>>44747092
>nothing is as fun as watching the infect player kill a Tron player the turn before dropping a Karn
There is.

>Winning with a memedeck
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>>44747240
>memedeck
What is this term even supposed to mean?
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>>44747254
Flavor of the week deck
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>>44747254
Flavor of the week deck or joke decks in general. Or just bad decks that people play because they get popular or memes (like an all random.dek)
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>>44747254
>>44747284
Or any deck playing siege rhino for the longest time.
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>>44747385
Memerange Abzan memeries is the memiest deck ever.


>tfw no sylvan/top to become the ultimate memelord topdecking king
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>>44747267
>>44747284
This amkes sense, I suppose.

>>44747385
I'm lost again.
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>>44747441
You're new here, aren't you?
Someone post the image.
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>>44747450
I'm not, actually. I've been here since 2007.
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what is the best myth realized deck? tempo shell or as a threat in tokens/smallpox?
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>>44747528
The best Myth Realized deck is realizing that this deck is a myth
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>>44747177
Spellskite is a format staple and needs to be in your 75. I wouldn't even play this format without them.
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Summer bloom and ancient stirrings ban when?
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How would you make pic related better?
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>>44747766
Not making it a memedeck
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>>44747766
Get English Cards
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>Leonin Arbirer $3

Time to buy in before it explodes. Ghost Quarter and Path are some of the best cards in the meta.
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Is Grixis control a tier one deck?
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>>44747873
It's already almost out of stock on tcgplayer. When people realize, they'll buyout the big stores and Arbiter will jump.
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>>44747892
It was. In this meta it's not anymore. Play burn, affinity, tron, twin, or infect.
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This card is only gonna go up.
Preorder it now if you're going to
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Someone convince me not to play Jeskai Twin :^)
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>>44747227
I don't even bother with crucible. Tron can fight through land D like a champ.
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Does anyone here thats on pucatrade have a horizon canopy for trade
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>>44748110
I just noticed you can make a different opponent draw the card in multiplayer. Neat.
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>>44747873
>>44747894
Just bought 8 for ~$20, hope you're right. Who needs /biz/ when quick money can be made on /tg/
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>>44748203
I side in one because it can be found off Stirrings and blanks the couple of GQs and Fulminators people bring in but you're right you can fight through LD anyways as long as it's not extraction/crumble to dust.
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Is the eldrazi deck legit or just flavor of the month?
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I just got hatebears finished up

Being able to strip mine someones lands with ghost quarters is the most satisfying thing ever
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>>44748558
>>44748764
Now I KNOW you're just a shill
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>>44748752
Wait and see. I suspect it has tier 2 game if it can hang at all.
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>>44747766
Elzik's side as of month ago is:
3 Leyline of Sanctity
2 Welding Jar
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Pyroclasm (or 3 clasm no firespout is still good)
1 Firespout
2 Nature's Claim
1 Quiet Disrepair (can run this in-place-of or in-addition-to Claim)
1 Pithing Needle
1-2 [[Flex Spots]]

He also got rid of Aether Grid.
"3 mana was too much of a cost for me to play to card. Yes, I feel 3 mana is that big of a deal. Ensnaring Bridge stops decks cold, aether grid... well only sometimes. Grid was great at closing out games. However, I felt it unnecessary in dealing with the threats. It was a great card in theory but GP OKC I sided it out a lot.
Twin: not needed
Affinity: too slow
Burn: too slow
Infect: good if you're on the play
Elves: too slow
Merfolk: too slow
Jund: not needed
Scapeshift: not needed
AmuletBloom: not needed
Tron: not needed
In short, most aggro decks the aether grid is a bit too slow to slow them down enough. For non-creature decks, aether grid is merely a "win" card. Would rather it be another card that offers utility."
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>>44748794
So not really. Good to know, I have foils of everything in the deck thanks to EDH and I was thinking of selling. Looks like I need to do it soon before the hype dies
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>>44748795
Huh. I had it in my head that aether grid cost 2. The card is far less appealing now.
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>>44748808
Wait for people to get thier hands on the second set. We're just entering the crecendo of hype.
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is it worth trying to make mardu aristocrats?
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>>44748987
It depends, it's your LGS competitive? the answer to your question is the inverse of the answer of this question
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>>44749062
i actually just lost mine so i'm not sure of the environment at the potential other one
i'm not the most competitive player, i just want an enjoyable deck
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>>44749062
Aristocrats isn't that bad even in a developed meta. You have answers to most everything, the hardest matchup is likely CoCo, which isn't that common.
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>>44749113
is there somewhere in particular i should look for ideas?
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>>44748808
The decks strength is in thought-knot, relic and hoping tron gets killed by the banlist
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>>44747873
why would arbiter explode exactly?
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>>44749353
It's a 4-of in a Tier 2.5 deck. Wescoe showed Wx D&T is a good deck in Modern and it is extremely well-positioned right now thanks to Tron and Twin (WG versions) and Eldrazi.
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>>44749353
It nerfs like two cards in tron which is running wild right now. Map and scrying. Eye of ugin too but by the time that's relevant, arbiter is not.
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was thinking about this in the price thread, thought I'd float it here;

Expedition Tarmogoyf, yes/no?
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>>44749816
who wouldnt want to pull a $1000 card
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>>44749959

well I say expedition, but make it look exactly like the MM one
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I got a playset of Scalding Tarns

It hurts
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>>44749816
I think they should do expedition creatures and staples and stuff

After they've done all the fetch and shock lands there isn't that many wide played lands

They should have expedition snap casters and arcbound ravagers and shit
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>>44747873
The card is already exploding. If you want to play D&T in Modern get these NOW
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>>44749959
>$1k

Expect $2k, foil Future Sight Goyf goes for $1k
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>>44750034
Working on playsets of allied fetches before they rotate out. China man proxies of onslaught being passable helps somewhat. Still, kill me please
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>>44747766
+4 Dakra Mystics
They provide a week version of your psuedo-fatesealing entirely on their own, help you dig for your lock, work as a mill-dork, and bypass graveyards shufflers.
They also tie up your mana and die to removal, but they have more than enough value to justify running.

Warping Wail will also be good when Gatewatch comes out. It's a 2 drop that can:
*Counters sorceries (read: most cards that will boardwipe your artifacts)
*Destroy creatures with power or toughness one or less (read: most creatures that can steal a game by running under your Bridge)
*Make a 1/1 Eldrazi Scion token (read: if you didn't draw a third land, you can use it to cast Ensnaring Bridge)
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>>44750204
>4.5 TCGplayer mid.

The door is closing fast. Buy your playset on the cheap before it's too late.
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>>44750499
Go stir up market panic somewhere else.
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>>44750499
Got my set for 3$ each. Thanks man
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>>44750647
Who did you buy them from, curious
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>>44750853
Face to Face Games sells them at 3.5 CAD + 15% tax. Roughly equals 12 USD. There are 9 left.
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>>44750034
I'm gunna try and wait till they get reprinted. Not the best plan but I'm not rebuying these for what I sold them for
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>>44750948
I bought them because it's incredibly unlikely they will be in either Innistrad set and I don't feel like waiting too much
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Reprint wasteland. Modern instantly becomes fun again.
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>>44751080
Yeah no way will they he in SoI

>>44751248
We're getting Waste Lands in OGW
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>>44739021
i dont want to play twin anymore. i really want to play stoneblade (maro pls)
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>>44751359
they literally reprinted wasteland in ogw

unfortunately it isn't modern legal, because of reasons.
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>>44747766
gimme those bridges plox
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>>44751738
But they're fucking Spanish
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>go to TCGPlayer to finally bite the bullet on Scalding Tarn
>find this waiting for me
I want to get off Mr. Bone's Wild Ride
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Guys I have an idea: Restore Balance...Superfriends
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>>44751815
dont worry, maybe theyll reprint it at mythic rare in mm3
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>>44751815
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>>44752040
>mythic rare

Woah goy it's like you want the price to tank! A reprint of it should only be premium mythic rare quality in mm2016
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Just finished my first real Modern deck, rate my meme build /tg/
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>>44752029
well i do have restore balances, but I sold the superer of my friends for a speeding ticket
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>>44753042
twin/10
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>>44753042
No mainboard Blood Moon? I see it in the side.
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>>44753042
Nice sheets
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>>44753042
>ultra pro
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>>44753042
>see "meme build"
>get excited
>it's literally just twin
1/10
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>>44753268
At least it wasn't that guy who was running a cockatrice build that tried to justify 4 Electrolyze and 1 Bolt
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>>44753242

Theyre pretty shit, but they were like $5 for 100 so I keep some kicking for drafts. Im waiting on the mailman for my KMCs

>>44753268
>>44753307

I don't see Logic Knot run much, it's pretty fun though, especially in the late game.
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>>44751815
I remember when they were 75ish a pop.
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>>44753042
>shit frames on your cards
>ultra pro
>one foil
Well meme'd my meme-alicious mememaster
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>>44753666
I remember when they were ~10 a pop and people thought that was too high
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>>44753666
My biggest mistake was buying 4 Misty Rainforests instead of Scalding Tarn literally 1 hour before the price spike.

I want to kill myself.
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>>44739341
>>Chalice for 1
That's a turn two answer to a deck that should already have it's creature out by then retard.
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>>44746807
>clearly the best deck in the format bar none.
Why do so many of you scrubs think this. Do you all play stupid shit like tokens?

Tron is a stupid linear deck and can be hated out very easily. You're all just bad and pessimistic.

Wah, wah, the format is toxic! Interaction this, buzzword that
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>>44730699
Tron player here, if you faggots seriously can't deal with Tron then you must not be running Red, White, Green, Blue, or Black.
Or. Maybe you're all retarded and don't know how to sideboard properly.
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>>44753932
Beating Tron involves the following:

>play burn
>play infect
>play affinity and use the infect line
>fucking Twin, who cares if they have Karn and Wurmcoil on the field
>don't play BGx
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>>44753957
Are you actually retarded?
>protip: that's rhetorical, of course you are
Do you want to win?
Fulminator Mage
Stone Rain/Price of Progress
Sowing Salt/Crumble to Dust
Smallpox
Pithing Needle
Stony Silence
Phyrexian Revoker
Shadow of Doubt
If you can stop Tron before turn three, and then rain hate on their town via Sowing or Crumble then you FUCKING WIN.
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>>44753890
It's not so much about the creature (they always rip an agent or an inkmoth) but the fact that not counting become immense every pump spell, cantrip and nature's claim is 1 so they can't even remove it.
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>>44753957
I play skred and I don't cry about Tron this hard.
Blood moon, crumble to dust and molten rain are all enough to fuck over Tron
If you have so much trouble pack crumble to dust. Unless you're just complaining that they can get 7 lands and cast karn
In that case lol, boo hoo
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>>44754105
>I play Skred
I'm sorry.
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>>44754210
Whatever you say. I do just fine
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Not modern, but what prebuilt is good for a casual standard home tourney? Something I can add onto with a few boosters since the tourney is in two days and I have nothing for standard.
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>>44753905
>claims the opposite
>uses strawman and no actual evidence to suggest his point is valid
Okay there, buddy bud. Tron is extremely strong against fair decks because it can out preform them by simply doing what they do bigger. It also beats out a lot of control in the format because each of its threads (once active) can very easily finish a game.
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>>44754257
Feel like, that should have been in a different thread, but whatever.
None of them. You need to drop a LOT on standard right now if you want your deck to be viable.
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>>44746807

I'd rather it be nerfed than banned.

I can understand banning Ancient Stirrings, since Ponder and Preordain are banned too.
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>>44754257
>>44754345
It's casual doe right? I mean depending on how casual they might be ok. They're all at the same powerlevel, which is very low
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>>44754257
Why not ask in the Standard General?
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>>44754040
Not that anon but I've played against old tron (haven't seen the newer and better tron yet) but I've done everything from fulminator mage in kolaghan's command artifact break+ reanimate fulminator and even then the game is fucking hard.
In sultai I've rain of tears into snap+ rain of tears and the game still feels hard.

Because in both scenarios I'm trying to slow you down but there's no definitive stop to tron, even blood moon just means they have to tap the amount of lands equal to the actual mana cost of their spells. And if they are on the play and turn 3 tron that's basically game because now they have a huge threat and tron online before most hate is available.

Modern needs back to basics reprint
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>>44754345
I didn't see a standard thread going on and didn't want to start a thread for a small question. Damn, standard is really pricey even at a kitchen table level then?
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>>44754375
Ponder and preordain are banned for different reasons. It's more akin to dig
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So, is this ability some kind of double trigger? The rulings in todays article seem to imply that its one, and needs to have a target before paying the trigger cost, which seems weird because of the wording.
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>>44753042

You've got counterspells, draw spells snapcasters, splinter twin to recur snapcasters and/or do a combo to win the game.

What's to ask? It's a good deck, now you just need to test it out and see what works and what doesn't in your local meta.
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>2016
>Not getting your Tron-playing friend to train you in the ways of beating Tron.
>Bitching about shit you have control over

Fucking sad, you guys.

I play Naya Burn and a friend of mine, who is significantly better at Magic, has been training me. The more I learn about Tron, the more I learn about how to beat it and the more I like my deck.

Every deck has weaknesses. Exploit them, goddamn. Just read a Tron Primer and you will learn more about their plays against each deck.

If you genuinely like this game, fucking act like it and practice and do research. You might learn something and, trust me, once you start winning, you'll feel good about yourself and your abilities.

I hope they keep Tron and Bloom Titan. That shit just gives me something to work towards: beating the shit out of them with my brainless deck.


>mfw I use Deflecting Palm to negate a Wurmcoil Engine's attack and win the round in game two
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>>44753475

Logic knot is the closest thing modern has to Counterspell, the main drawback being that it folds to all-out graveyard hate.
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>>44754489
You have to declare modes and targets when the trigger goes on the stack.
You pay mana and gain control of the card when the trigger resolves.
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>>44754444

Dig is banned too. Nice quads
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>>44754489

>act of treason kicker effect that requires voidslime, trickbind, or stifle to counter

it's a solid card, going to see play in standard at least
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>>44754431
Standard =/= Kitchen-table
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>Playing some Loam Vortex against Twin today
>Clean 2-0 win

;^)
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So what's the problem with Ultra Pro?
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>>44754504
Imagine Deflecting Palm on Emrakul.
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>>44754686
They're not as good as KMC
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>>44754504
Behold! A competent player! Respect, my brother.
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>>44754504
Oh look, someone who isn't BUMFUCKING RETARDED
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>>44754504
I guess it's my fault when playing Jund that I didn't draw all my Fulminators, K Commands, and Crumble.
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>>44754577
Which is why it should be banned, I totally agree with your opinion thanks, I got them myself
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>>44754762

Yes
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>>44754638
Well, the decks must be standard legal, but it is kitchen table level of play.
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>>44754762
You're actually saying, that because YOUR LUCK, is terrible they should ban Tron?
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Is this card as bad as they say it is? It's a lot of mana but you get big gains from it.
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>>44754690
Been on the receiving end once, didn't die though thanks to Wurm getting in about 4 times.
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>>44754641
Gibe list pl0s
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>>44755031

>Big gains

Not really. I mean if they made it 4cc it still wouldn't see much play
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>>44755116
Well, if it were 4cmc I would run it in Grixis Range, but only as a one off
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>tfw I want mono white allies to work but I don't know what current local meta is
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>>44755314

Even 3 colour CoCo allies are too weak to work (play like a shitty zoo). I hoped to see some good allies but BFZ and Oath are duds.
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>>44755031
Not really. Ojutai's and Kolaghan's Command give way more than that.
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>>44755031
Dies to dispel/10
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>>44755031
>Big gains
>>/fit/
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>>44755379
I am undeterred. I will try to make it work
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>>44747873

I'm high and don't play modern but just picked one of these up foil for 9 bucks. I hope I'm pleasantly surprised when I remember this purchase later.
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>>44755486
You will fail my friend, at best it's a tier 3 meme dec
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>>44755486
Godspeed
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>>44755633
Tier 3 is better than getting my ass kicked every game, amigo.
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>>44755617
You probably won't. But hey man, you'll never ever know for certain if anyone that you consider a friend or a lover actually likes or loves you back, or simply just tolerates you
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Is knightfall a meme deck?
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>>44755835
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>>44755092
4 Molten Vortex
3 Life from the Loam
4 Serum Visions
3 Thought Scour
4 Rune Snag
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Roast
1 Cryptic Command
1 Logic Knot
1 Izzet Charm
1 Quicken
1 Spell Snare
3 Negate

3 Sulfur Falls
1 Rootbound Crag
1 Stomping Ground
1 Breeding Pool
2 Steam Vents
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Cascade Bluffs
2 Island
1 Mountain
1 Hinterland Harbor
1 Desolate Lighthouse

It's a control deck that controls the game through continuous damage output. My opponent can't maintain a board presence, and every time he draws a dead card, I pull further ahead. Plays kinda like Twin to be honest.
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>>44754504
Tron is a really good deck and often they will have hands that you are unable to beat

It's a fucking easy deck to pilot and understand and there is no "anon's top 10 tricks to beat tron"

Kill yourself
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>>44753042
>flooded strand
>not misty rainforest
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>>44753042
Wrong fucking Logic Knot you've got there, faggot.
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I got like 10 bucks should I get an MM15 pack or two bfz, or origins? Maybe keep it for oath? They don't sell other packs other than conspiracy and born of the gods at my locals...
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>>44756373
Buy conspiracy, trust me
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>>44755926

Interasdin. I run Jund Loam Pox, I'll try blue for Snaps this time
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>>44754040

>price of progress

Did you mean stone rain/molten rain? Price of progress is not modern legal

It would be PRFECT against tron tho for sure
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>>44756116

>Telling someone to kill themselves because of a card game
>Being that booty-blasted

Goddamn, Anon. You sure told me.

And I never said Tron was a bad deck so you saying "Tron is a really good deck" is a waste of effort on your part. You don't need to convince me.

But your idea that "they will have hands that you are unable to beat" is retarded. Just pants-on-head retarded. You might not be able to beat Tron, but I can. Do I win every time? No. But I win a lot. Seems fair to me.

>Wanting "Anon's Top 10 Tricks to Beat Tron"

I bet you are the kind of shitty person who expects society to hold their hand through everything.

"Boo hoo! I can't win at a card game because I want shortcuts."

>tl;dr Git gud, faggot.

Maybe if you had friends you could get them to help you learn more instead of bitching on an anonymous image board online.
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>>44756473
Blue is better than black in the deck, trust me. Responding to Surgical Extraction with Thought Scour and watching your opponent's asshole be blown out through his urethra is magical.
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>>44756541
I meant the one that does two damage when it hits a non basic, I don't remember which
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>>44756766
I don't get it.
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>>44754717

Goddamn that is a clear picture. What did you take it with? An actual human eye?
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>>44756766
I don't either
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>>44756897
>>44756951
Dredge Life from the Loam in response to SE.
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>>44756897
He tries to Extract your Loam, you just dredge it back to hand. You don't even need to counter hit graveyard hate, you can just keep on drawing cards.
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>>44754422
>fulminator mage in kolaghan's command artifact break+ reanimate fulminator and even then the game is fucking hard
>Because in both scenarios I'm trying to slow you down but there's no definitive stop to tron, even blood moon just means they have to tap the amount of lands equal to the actual mana cost of their spells

Ive seen games where 1-3 Fulminators get recursed through Kommands with Discard/Smash, the Tron player basically just sits there with his dick in his hand casting 7 mana Stone Rains while Scooze or Tarmogoyf rips his asshole apart. Then postboard they're essentially throwing a hail mary for a clean Relic sweep.

People really don't understand that dropping Karn is by no means the end of the game, and that by shutting off Urzatron, you effectively have a massive 3-4 turn window to do essentially whatever you want.

It isn't Tron's fault that it's T7 and you can't close the game with an aggro deck.
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>>44747528
Cheeri0s
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If 8rack is basically a pseudo-burn deck that pushes damage through by attacking the hand, wouldn't Blightning and Kommand fit the deck perfectly?
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>>44756766

>SE against Dredge

Reminds me of every Jund replay's comments section with the inevitable "Why didn't he just exile _____ with Ooze before it flashed back??? MISPLAY!"

>"90% of players don't understand how the stack works or even what it is."
>TFW MaRo was right
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>>44757162
No, because they cost too much mana.

Also, it's not burn.
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>>44753797
Misty Rainforest is objectively not a bad investment, being a blue fetchland and all that, but if the intent was to buy a staple that would not only retain its value but also have it increase, then I must question why you didn't go with the Tarns considering that UR is the most commonly played color combination in Modern today.
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>>44757162

3cc is too much. The deck only has Ensnaring Bridge and LotV for 3 mana, both are considered "finishers" while the discard and enablers lie in 1cc and 2cc
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Speaking of land destruction
What about a BR aggro deck that runs a lot of land destruction
Staples like Dark Confidant and Bolt
And then land destruction like Molten Rain, Fulminator Mage , Stone Rain, Blood Moon and Sowing Salt to deny them of all their lands.
Would that be viable?
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>>44757329
>The deck
You mean the deck that can't top 8 for shit? Yeah let me just take notes from that clearly fantastic deck list. Forgive me for trying to think outside of the box that's smeared with shit.
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>>44753731
But the thing was, at the time, the Onslaught fetches fetched about the same price. I totally understand why we all thought it was crazy that lands that were still in print cost as much as the old ones, because it actually was kinda crazy.
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>>44757367

Whoah there guy, I didn't imply anything. You can shove in whatever you want to shove in, I just think it costs too much
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>>44757355
Let me know how your affinity matchup goes
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>>44756755
>biting the bait this hard
Anon, I...
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>>44757313
Because a friend told me Misty Rainforest sees more Legacy play and I was going to build Omnitell at the time. I wish I had a real excuse but all I have is an empty wallet and a sense of regret I'll never be rid of
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>>44757549
Yeah that would be the hardest match up but I think with some real brewing it could be a solid deck. Continually destroying their lands and keeping them out of the colors they need to cast their good spells. Using IoK to pick off problem cards from their hand and Bolt to rid the field of irritating creatures or to close games out. Then Fulminator and K Command to bring their lands down to dust and Molten Rain for that extra damage. It'd do well against a tron heavy format with a couple Sowing Salt mainboard.
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>>44743121
Underrated post
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>>44757628
Your friend isn't wrong, but Tarn sees plenty of play there as well. Regardless, when in a pinch its always better to go with the card you actually need for a deck rather than speculation on the market, so I can't say you made a wrong decision or even a bad one.

Your Mistys will pay off in the long run. The Tarns spiking right after was just simpe bad luck.
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>>44756755
>writing an essay because you got upset

Nice
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>>44757962
In all seriousness, misty sees more play because people like to play on color fetches, but any blue fetch is good. Misty gets basic forest in shardless and basic forest and island in aluren.

I think tarn is better because miracles and most vintage blue decks run basic mountains.
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>>44757193

Explain the scooze situation, what are you talking about?
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>>44756766
>Surgical Extraction
What's does your asshole do when you look like an idiot because nobody runs that card
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>>44758135

Theres a breed of player who thinks you can Scooze something like Lingering Souls before it can be flashed back. It comes up in comment sections in virtually all Jund/Junk replays.

Its the same line of thought of people who think you can bolt JtMS as he comes down, or that Spellskite can realistically take counters from a modular trigger.
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>>44758260
I thought you could take modular with Spellskite
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>>44758245
Surgical extraction is a card that consistently never does anything except against a deck that needs one specific thing in the graveyard
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>>44758347
Okay? So nobody runs it. Your response has nothing to do with my post
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>>44758371
The point is that blue doesn't give you anything worth a damn
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Wait you guys, I run Surgical Extraction on the side board.
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>>44758313
You can but modular says may so if you redirect it with spellskite you can just say no thanks
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>>44758347
>>44758371
it's very good in the lantern control deck where it will consistently get out hate cards that your opponent will have match 2
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>>44758440
And also removes cards like Scapeshift which would otherwise be a problem for the deck.
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>>44758425
Ok that's good to know. You can still prevent them from coming into play.

>>44758440
Yeah, if your opponent doesn't have diversified hate and just runs 4 ancient grudge
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>>44757162
You'll wish blightning was wrench mind every time.
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>>44755031
it's actually terrible trust me
i'd play it at 3cmc
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>>44757355
>>44757820
The main problem with this sort of deck is the LD doesn't really start until turn 3 so they have a rather large window to play things. Then unless you manage to draw one LD spell for every land they draw you just fall behind.
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>>44755031
>Big Gains

Not really, at worse you will only bounce one permanent for 5CMC. Otherwise its restricted to Walkers, which rarely appear, creatures with less than 4 toughness, and a negate.

Its the worst command in both cost and effect by miles.
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I want to power out a big angel as quickly as possible and beat people to death with it, the same way I used to do in ye olden days. What would be the best Modern-legal angel to do this with and what deck could it fit into?
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>>44753054
i was thinking of running it as more if a control deck with a bunch of value walkers. i was thunking 2 ajani, a gideon, and maybe like an agent if bolas alongside the other walkers in the deck
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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mardu-aristocracy-2/
i have literally no idea what i'm doing but i already have the paths and one each of the shocklands i want
Kommands are pretty expensive for my budget but they are literally too value
why is blartist $4?
>>44759211
i had a vengeant at one time, but my remaining walkers are mostly not played in modern as far as i know
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>>44759260
most of the walkers in this deck be underplayed in most decks. i think this could work alright but i need to really try it
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>>44759312
i mean if you want a list of how terrible my selection is currently
2x Beleren
1x Tamiyo
2x Ashiok
2x Kiora, Crashing Wave
1x new Kiora
1x Vraska
1x Vess
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How does flashback work with cards that have x?
They just fizzle?
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>>44759193

The most played angel is Serra Avenger, and by most played I mean the only angel used apart from Linvala

Death and Taxes then
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>>44759430
what does their flashback cost say?
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>>44759483
Sorry I'm tired. I meant how would they work with free casting costs like Goblin dark dwellers
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>>44759503
X would be 0
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>>44759503
oh that
yeah they just do nothing
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>>44757355
Red doesn't need to go out of it's way to beat Tron, red assrapes Tron by just playing Burn.

The problem with Tron is that if both players are equally good and equally lucky in their draws, Midrange and Control CAN'T beat Tron. So the format become Tron vs Burn/Infect/Affinity vs Twin/Bloom/Goryos.
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>>44759193
Restoration Angel. Play UWx Midrange.

Either:
Straight UW with Kitchen Finks and Blade Splicer to flicker Spell Snare, Path, Remand, and Leak for interaction.

Esper with Discard and Tidehollow Sculler/Meddling Mage beats. Resto Angel flickers Snapcaster and provides flying beats. Geist is fun here, especially with Elspeth, Knight-Errant.

UWR with Bolt, Helix, Electrolyze. Geist is even better here because you can clear the ground for him.
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>>44753957
Beating Tron involves the following:
>being good at magic
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>>44754762
you know that sometimes your just going to have bad match ups right? I play infect and didn't complain when everyone was playing Grixis, why because your deck is not suppose to beat everything.
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So I'm trying to build a meme deck in mardu colors that essentially runs on laying cheap defenders, laying rain of gore/tainted remedy, and enchanting their creatures with lifelink, with sanguine bond thrown in. I have it roughly sketched out, but I haven't been playing long enough to have the card knowledge to know all the shit that would help.

And just to be clear, I don't care that it won't win, I just want it to function
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>>44755486
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>>44760212
rain of gore doesn't work with lifelink.
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>>44759753

>Format becomes Tron v Burn v Twin
>Format becomes T1 Control v T1 Aggro v T1 Combo

What is this devilry? Clearly something is oppressive.
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>>44760285
Fuck, I'm retarded. But as another wise anon said, >>44755486
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>>44760297

>Tron
>Control

Kek
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How do you even get into this format? Am I just supposed to learn hundreds upon hundreds of cards until I have the jist of them memorized and then make a deck or just met deck something

At least with standard I can stick with the newest sets and wait until the old ones I don't know rotate out and I'll be good
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>>44760337
Net deck that shit, anon
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>>44760337
If you're going to wait for standard to rotate out why not play modern in the mean time to learn all you can rather than waiting for a format to rotate out before playing it.
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>>44760337
modern players are people who have been playing obsessively for 5+ years and have thousands of cards memorized and can repeat their rules text word for word off of memory.
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does emeria control still count as a meme deck?
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Assume I could win every coinflip that I flipped. Would a deck based around fiery gambit, mana clash and stitch in time be functional? Just assume I can assure either outcome I want for all of my flips.
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>>44760337
Decide if you want to play aggro, combo, midrange, control, etc.

Then research all the Tier 1, 2, and 3 decks in that archetype. Choose one you like based on preference or budget.

Learn the inns and outs of that deck and then draft up a list you're comfortable with.

Optional, but recommended:
Play some games against your buddies with the proxied list before you blow hundreds of dollars on it.

Buy the deck and have fun. Tune it as you learn more about the game, develop your style, and adapt to the local metagame.
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>>44759372
Run Esper. Narset is too useful to leave out of a superfriends build.
Narset
Liliana of the Veil (or Jace Beleren if budget is an issue)
Ashiok
Ob Nixilis
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>>44760437
i only have one tami and it's busy being an edh allstar
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>>44760457
fuck i'm retarded
i read narset as Tamiyo
i don't have any narsets, nor the funds for Veils (not sure how beleren replaces her though)
don't have obs, don't have much money
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>>44760337
Just get xmage and import lists from the net.
It's not that hard, maybe just stick with standard if it is
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>>44760331
How would you classify it?
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>>44760759
It is a KIND of control deck which is focussed on controlling the board, instead of the stack (Uxx control) or the hand (8rack, MBC). Board control decks (like Tokens) usually fall under Midrange in terms of their metagame role. This makes sense for Tron because it beats other, smaller Midrange decks and looses to fast aggro and combo. Because of Eye of Ugin + Emrakul, however, Tron also has amazing inevitablility, which wins it games from real Control decks (which traditionally beat combo and midrange, but loose to Aggro and Tempo).

You can also classify Tron by the engine it uses to accomplish its board control, it which case it is a "ramp" deck, similar to Mono G devotion and RG Valakut.

tl;dr The Rock isn't the only style of Midrange deck.
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Is WB Tokens a memedeck ?
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>>44761195
Why do you care?
Meme deck is a stupid term used by idiots here. The same idiots thar whine about blood moon and think Tron or twin need to be axed
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>>44761195
No, it's 100% viable and deserves a higher listing in terms of tier
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>>44761923
>deserves a higher listing
Not until Tron dies. Until then, its tier 3
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>>44761195
What do you mean by memedeck?

Do you meme a bad deck?
Do you meme a good meme?
Do meme meme a meme that is unreasonably popular?
Do meme meme meme meme that is unreasonably not popular enough?
Do meme meme meme meme that is ------

MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEEMEMEMEMEMEME
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Why do people want sword of the meek unbanned?

There are enough combo decks in the format n'est pas?
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>>44761981
It has shown decent matchups against Tron preboard (65/35 in trons favour) and EVEN BETTER matchups postboard (50/50 even)
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>>44760337
Its honestly not that hard, you dont need to know what everything does, just what certain odd interactions and win conditions do (ad Nauseum + angels grace + chain lightning, Splinter Twin + Deceiver Exarch, arcbound ravager + artifacts + inkmoth nexus)
You also need to know how to judge how good a card is. Too many new players in general just pump fatties into their decks thinking they will win them a game.
A 1 mana spell that actually does something is generally always good. Something that does somethibg and costs 0 is even better.
2 or 3 mana cards have to be fairly bullshit, like a tarmogoyf, Liliana of the Veil, remand, dark confidant etc. Your Ainok Bond Kin doesnt cut it
4 mana cards have to fuck your opponent hard or just win the game on the spot. For example, Sorin Solemn Visitor, meme rhino, Splinter Twin
Anything more than 4 you generally dont cast with mana unless you are playing a ramp deck. Stuff like Iona, Elesh Norn, Emrakul, etc
Modern deck are brutal. I have my 4/5 for 2 mana beating you in the face and destroying your boardstate with 1 cost removal spells, burning you every time I smell blood and drawing an extra card every turn.
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GUIDE ME, /tg/.

Why isn't Esper Gifts a good deck? How do we make it tier 2?
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>>44762206
Have you a list ?
I found this :
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=97537
But except 3 fulminator mage, i don't see a really good plan against tron.
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>>44762233
I really don't know. When I ran it, I had great matchups against pretty much everything but MonoU tron. That might speak to the quality of players I was dealing with, but I think it's a fine deck.

That being said, Goryo's Vengeance and BabyJace might be enough to push it into the tiers once people catch on.
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>>44762206
>65/35
Im sure youve never played this matchup before
Every time I do, it feels like whatever I do game 1 is irrelevant, im just waiting for them to get ugin and boardwipe me every turn because I cant win quick enough. The only time you win is when, for whatever reason, they cant find Tron because you kept a hand with 5 discard spells, but by that time they normally have 7 lands anyway to hardcast Karn and just win.
If you dedicate your entire Sideboard to dealing with Tron, g2 becomes 50/50. But other decks exist, so you dont do that. Postboard becomes better, you slow them down a lot, but you still lose as soon as they put 3 lands together
Scapeshift is also terrible, Bloom isnt great, but you 50/50 Twin g1 and own them 2/3, as well as raping Affinity unless they kill you turn 2 with infect
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>>44762271
Thats because most Tokens players just accept that they are going to lose vs it and dont even bother, they would rather win their other matches
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>>44762271
I'm just gonna run over the three that matter.
>Stony Silence
No more maps, no more eggs, and on the rare occasion that they show up, no more hellkites
>Fulminator Mage
You're correct, great card against Tron.
>Surgical Extraction
Note that it says 'non-basic land', for two life plus a fulminator Mage, killing Tron is a pretty good deal. And yes they can still cast things later, but are they going to make it to turn 7?
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>>44762322
Most g/x tron lists I've seen run karn over ugin. I can see Ugin being a problem for b/w tokens.
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>>44762322
See
>>44762374

I've actually played both decks, and been on both sides of the matchup, and honestly, if you're having that serious of an issue you should rethink your sideboard. Because Stony Silence, Fulminator Mage and Surgical Extraction are all really good cards against other decks too.
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>>44760497
If you're running restore balance you're hoping to drown in card advantage by having walkers in play. Jace allows you to draw cards and, even with symmetrical draw, if your opponent has no spells, you will be able to use your draws to greater effect than they will.

Narset and Obs are both reasonably cheap for walkers. Both should be under 10 bucks a pop.
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>>44760423
>fiery gambit reads "2R: Deal 3 damage to target creature, deal 6 damage to your opponent, draw nine cards and untap all your lands"
>is this functional?
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>>44760423
you'll get caught using fake coins you silly.
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>>44760421

It's only a meme when its a relatively new archtype that causes buyouts and has placed in a major
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Pic related is hilarious to me. The fact that you get it again if you "whiff" on a land seems like it could be abuseable.

So I'm thinking:

1 Emrakul
4 Unexpected Results
55 Manlands

I know I'm not fooling anybody, but surely there's a way to work this card.

Maybe shenanigans with Selective Memory?

>>44752029
You'd need a lot of really defensive walkers. Also, most of the good ones happen on turn 4, which is when most decks are trying to win unfairly.

So I guess load up your deck with a lot of cheap answers.
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>>44760423
JUDGE!
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