MtG Spoils thread

>>44622903
nice, I liked the wisps.

W2c boots??

>>44622903
>Red got something good that isn't burn
It's a god damn miracle.

>>44622903
>But the lightning just happens all the time?

Cantrips ohhh.

>new wisps with Zada
oh boy

>>44622842

Bumping my question from previous thread

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>>44622903
Judging from Xmage so far, OGW has seriously pushed Surge for constructed mechanic

>>44622903
>non chaotic card draw
>red
UNACCEPTABLE

>>44623133
Ingest doesn't seem all that good to me. If you want to play off the top card of people's library, just build lantern, which does it better, while also blanking most forms of opposing interaction game 1.

If you want to play eldrazi there are much better midrange type decks you could use.

>>44623156
All colors can cantrip.

>>44622903
>Goblin Dark-Dwellers enabling VROOM VROOM on itself
Yesssss

With UR being about casting more than one spell each turn, my guess is we'll see more cantrips/cheap UR spells.
I'm looking forward to it.

>>44622903
>B
>Sorcery
>Each player discards a card.
>Draw a card.


DO IT WIZARDS

>>44623166
I suppose, but red rarely gets a straight card advantage out of it because looting is their thing

>>44623230
>flashback -- discard a card

FUCKING DO IT

When does OGW come out?

>>44623239
>card advantage
That's not card advantage.

>>44623277
You're right, sorry

Haven't finished my coffee

Still, looting is more prominent in red than cantrips

>>44623163

But those two new Flyers make the deck seem so much better now. What UB ingest needed in my opinion was more aggressive creatures and they are just that.
I feel like Wasteland Strangler is one of those hidden Standard bombs but I don't really know how to make it work.

>>44623291
Oh, standard.

Well shit anon, have you considered playing a real format instead?

Stoneforge Masterwork with goofy tribal shit is going to be the funnest, oh my God

>>44623309
You seriously thought that the pic I posted that is 100% composed of cards from BFZ/OGW wasn't meant for standard play ?

>>44623168
If you are wasting the DD effect on this instead of flashing back a Kommand or a Crackling Doom or whatever it is you standard kiddies play, they you are playing it wrong.

>>44623373
I like VROOM VROOM so fuck you

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Black agro incoming

>>44624201
Oh baby, time to jam Temur and colourless friends 3 drops funtime.

>>44622903
>empty hand going wide
>zada this

Too good, or three good?

>>44624280
thank god more toys for my rakdos eldrazi aggro

>>44624201
It makes me giddy how much better this set is compared to BfZ.

>>44624201
>>44624280
These both look great in a BR Devoid Aggro deck.

Does the curve top out at 3 in that deck? There's this new guy and Ville Aggregate, what else could they want at 4+?

>>44624201
>CoCo for stuff that doesn't hit CoCo
Jeez

>>44624350
Thought-Knot Seer?

>>44624369
Good idea, I'd love to pull a Languish out of a control player's hand with that.

Maybe one or two of that 5cmc 5/5 haste trampler guy as well.

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Amazing for EDH :^)

>>44624425
Oh fuck, thats going straight in my karametra deck.

>>44624446
Mind sharing it? I wanted to build one, but I don't know where to start from.

>>44624425
Anon who posted the scans was right, they did a card named Zendikar Resurgent.

>>44624446
S T O P
this is a nonstatement. it adds nothing to discussion. nobody cares.
its like people replying to random comments on /v/ with "this desu senpai" except youre not doing it to be an asshole.

>>44624425
Straight into my Newlamog EDH deck. Amazing ramp.

>>44624512
Turbo mad

>>44624545
you have to be 18 to post here friendo

>>44624512
S T O P
this is a nonstatement. it adds nothing to discussion. nobody cares.
its like people replying to random comments on /v/ with "this desu senpai" except youre not doing it to be an asshole.

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>>44624564
Hyper mad

>>44624564
So mad

>>44624500
I don't have a typed out list of it. Unfortunately at work so I cant do it till later.


I have almost all 1 drop mana dorks to get karametra out asap, then I start playing creatures and ramp as fast as I can. A lot of landfall or land matter creatures. Finish with X spells or X creatures.

>>44624545
>>44624566
>>44624601
>>44624597
edh players.

>>44624425
Actually might test this out in my Maelstrom Wanderer deck.

>>44624629
Platinum mad

>>44624629
standard player

>>44624533
You can't put this in an Ulamog EDH deck, it's not colorless you retard.

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>>44624629
You're soo mad.
I very much agree with you I just wanted to join the mob

>>44624731
That's not how my group plays the format.

>>44624766
Not this shit again

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has anyone talked about this? i didn't see it yesterday. it's cute.

>>44624201
Legacy colorless is almost certainly tier 2/1.5 after this set is released.

>>44624925
It looks like one of the only pieces of art I actually like this block

>>44624766
>my group plays wrong

>>44624925
moshi moshi, hedron crawler desu _ :^) _

>>44624925
/tg/ already established it was cute.
Even the flavor text sort of says it's cute.

>>44624766
Your group is retarded then

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>>44624766
Its okay to bend the rules for your play group to how you guys find it fun, but I would recommend trying it the usual way. All the fun about a colorless commander deck is in the fact that its colorless. The restriction makes it more unique and fun, at least in my opinion. Also, OTG will make the colorless land base much much cheaper than before. Just a suggestion.

>>44624629
Still players, buddy.

>>44624925
It's a strictly worse Manakin.
With strictly cuter art.

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This was probably posted earlier but if it wasnt well I don't really give a shit

Dimensional Infiltrator

1U

Devoid
Flash
Flying

1<>: Target opponent exiles the top card of his or her library. If it is a land card, you may return Dimensional Infiltrator to its owner's hand

OTG is just blowing bfz out of the god damn water

>>44625179
glacial wincon for UWx, maybe
probably just for limited

>>44623055
F
A
M
His fit is goat

>>44625265
Is there hope for Shadows over Innistrad then?

>>44625179
If only it was (U)(R) with Haste. As it is what's the point of returning the thing to your hand?

>>44625424
No. One should never hope.
Despite this set being decent, magic is still dead and to think it can just spring back to life is a bit daring, to say the least.

>>44625520
its casino aetherling. sort of

>>44625424
Not really. The cards are better, yes, but their actual application outside of standard (and even in standard) is merely mediocre to bad.

>>44625424
Probably not, they switched block structures half way through BFZ block so they probably jammed all the good stuff from both end sets into oath. Which is why it looks better than normal

>>44624566
Correction: He IS doing it to be an asshole.

>>44625520
Surge, since it has flash

>>44624925
Plushies when?

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>>44625520
>what's the point
dodging removal, like his father before him.

>>44625720
Oh, damage on the stack. We barely knew you.

>>44625650
Oh yeah, with a cmc of (2) you can pretty much cast it before any spell you want Surge for. I don't know if it'll be really worth it tho.

>>44625720
That too.

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>>44625856
Go home dad, the kids are playing cards here

>>44622903
I really like UR this set. This wisp plays so well with the prowess creatures (specially abbot) but also with the legendary merfolk that draws a card when you xast your second spell each turn.

Id asume the creature base would be something like 4 swiftys, 4 abbots, 4 ur prowess guy and 2 of the merfolk... or maybe if there are enough cantrips, itd be time for creature chandra to finallt see play.

>>44625173
It's basically a mana Myr that is oddly cuter, yes.

>>44626007
ZADA
A
D
A

>>44626007
Don't forget Zada, which is the first thing I thought of when I saw this card.

>>44625698
Kek

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As a White/Black Ally Lifegain player, I have a huge boner right now.

>>44624425
lmao 6 types of mana vs 5 colors of mana thats so stupid

>>44626044
Maybe if the blue wisp i good too, but id rather have P&K for reach as a 4 drop.

>>44626101
that's because white/black ally lifegain players are easily satisfied.

>>44626159
Yeah, it's fun to reach 70+ hp just by defending with Sorin and Bloodbond Vampire.

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ever since alpha, newfriend.

>>44626177
directed to >>44626125

>>44626177
10/4/2004: The types of mana are white, blue, black, red, green, and colorless.

>>44624201
WHAT

>>44624201
>>44626230
so who's brewing ThisOneGoesAllTheWayTo3.dec?

>>44624763
>dat pic
Damn, I recognise that hentai...

>>44622903
Not bad. It lends itself more to multicolored decks since most decent red creatures have haste stapled on. I wish red had more keywords to choose from, but this still isn't bad. Works great with surge too.

>>44626317
I'm not surprised. I found that doujin through /tg/.

>>44626267
Just throw it in bubble hulk together with laboratory maniac.

>>44626145
U
Instant
Target creature gains flash until end of turn.

Heh, I kid. Probably flying.

>>44624766
Well, have fun only being able to play your deck with the same group of tiny people, because no lgs, tournament, or other play groups is going to allow your made up rule-set.

>>44626417
He's probably baiting. But even if not, lets not start that discussion again.

>>44626400
that card does literally nothing

>>44626417
>Stop having fun in way I don't like!
Okay kid.

>>44626400
>Probably flying.
Cloak of Feathers

The other card would need to be worded something like "Until end of turn, you may cast the next creature spell as though it had Flash".

>>44626434
>>44626467
>"Heh, I kid."
I guess it wasn't obvious enough.

>>44626434
Now that you mention it. Is there any quicken for creatures? I'd search gatherer but im on Mobile.

>>44626636
Scout's Warning

>>44626467
but anon, that's a white card.

>>44624201
I could see this being seriously good in Legacy or Vintage.

>>44626652
>>44626683
also savage summoning, which does other stuff but doesn't trip.

>>44624201
>not nonland permanent
fug

>>44626159

>enjoying things is a flaw

>>44626706
No fucking wa-
HOLY SHIT

>>44622903
Into my Zada RW deck it goes.

>>44624201
Oh boy, finally a 3-drop for colorless Eldrazi.

This deck'll be janky as fuck but boy will it be fun to run.

>>44626706
>>44626811
wtf are you guys talking aboooooooly shit. I love this card.

You guys do realize you need to pay a pure colourless mana for these spells right?

Most of you are acting as if these are all x turn payable, how likely is it that you're going to have that mana on curve

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>>44626974
So? Im probably going to toss this guy in sultai cause get this, filter lands can tap for colourless. Oh yes baby, oh yes

>>44626974
there's a lot of cards that tap for colorless.

>>44626974

>you do realize X taps for pure green mana, right? how likely is it that you have a forest on curve?

>>44626974
painlands?

>>44627015
Why would you assault my eyes with this image?

>>44626974
There's enough coulorless sources around. Heck, painlands basicly become tri-coloured thanks to this.

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>>44627067
Because mtg cosplayers are a solid tier below garbage

>>44627067
just focus on the Lili and try to ignore the others

Though, the jace looks exactly as spergy as the real jace is, so he nailed it as well.

>>44626974
limited is the only place there might be an issue with generating colorless mana.
Outside of limited there are plentiful sources of colorless mana.

>mfw City of Brass, Ancient Ziggurat, Mana Confluence etc tap for C in 1-3 color EDH decks

>>44627089
Jesus christ, why do people insist on cosplaying characters that have such a wildly different appearance from themselves?

Why the fuck is the only skinny guy cosplaying as garruk?

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>>44627091
This one is for you

>>44627089
guy in the middle has the best costume.

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>>44627109
Because they're so self diluted in how they look, they don't understand that they look like shit

>>44627091
But Ajani is the best part of the card.

>>44627089
FemJace would make a better Liliana there.

That Gideon is on point, though. Nailed his monkey look out of BfZ.

>>44627121
kek'd

>>44627128
The garruk helmet actually looks well done but the person doesn't fit it at all.

>>44627098
Well, we basicly have 4 common lands that enter untapped in OGW. There's another bunch of rare lands in both sets and BFZ has the blighted cycle at uncommon.

You probably won't get mono colourless aggro, but there should be enough sources around for two-three players per table.

>>44627123
well, Jace put some effort into the blue leds at least.

>>44627123
>>44627111
>>44627089
>>44627015
I can smell them from here.

>>44627161
And garruk tried to get to the same weight as garruk, albeit not in muscle

>>44627161
That is like the only redeeming feature of the photo, because the whole rest is shit.

>>44627194
The fat liliana has a pretty face?

She'd totally be hot if she lost some weight.

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God damn, you people are harsh.
I'm sure those cosplayers had a wonderful time with their friends, checking out what the con or event had to offer.
Just because their costumes aren't a 15/10 match on perfect scale with a drop-dead gorgeous half-naked loli in them doesn't mean the cosplay is "shit" or "effortless".

For fucks sake, get off your high horses.

>>44627211
"if" is not part of the photo.

>>44627211
To be fair, so would like 80% of fat people
>>44627240
Stay mad pony boy, stay mad

>>44627089
I busted out laughing at the Garruk.

>>44627240
You are the only one saying "effortless", just because they put effort on it, it doesn't mean it is not shit.

I work at events like these, and I have seen many cosplays, and those are shit.

>>44627089
Liliana and garruk should swap costumes.

>>44624425
Literally better dictate of karametra

>even more great eldrazi
>eldrazi are now playable modern (tier 1.5 probably)
>modern allies won't be a thing as allies a shit

cantwakeup.jpg

>>44627089
Jace is cute
cute

>>44627350
I do agree there

>>44627340
Except dictate gets flashed in EOT?
It's not even close

>>44627340

Dictate has flash and is cheaper, so if you only care about the extra mana, dictate is much safer to play.

>>44627261
Interestingly, there's no response to "you mad bro" that doesn't make you sound mad.

>>44627301
>>44627161 is worded in a way such that other stuff didn't have effort put into it. Either way, the entire thread after the photos is just bashing on them for no reason. I'm all for belittling idiots, but these guys weren't hurting anyone by dressing up.

>>44627373
>>44627381
Yeah, I didn't notice the fucking 5
THANKS WIZARDS

>>44627240
>stop criticizing my art!
>>>/cgl/

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>>44627089
the only actual disaster in this is the whale sized Liliana, who is probably represented art-wise as the skinniest planeswalker ever. Otherwise, the Gideon has an okay outfit and nailed the monkey look as someone else said, the Jace is cute, and the Garruk at least has a pretty cool mask and axe. He just needs to get swole.

>>44627386
Still unhappy? You're just looking for things to be unhappy with with those posts. Fact is in cosplay YOU need to fit the costume, not have a costume made to fit you. Otherwise you look like a bad attempt to fit the costume (unless you're ridiculously hot (than sweaty neckbeards like anything you wear)). These people don't have the body types necessary to look like the costumes so they come off as silly

>>44624731
The color identity has to match, not colors.
Hence why you can put any GUR card in your Yasova commander while you can't put B cards in your Nahiri commander.

>>44627340
Dictate only costs 5 mana.

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>>44627350

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>>44626101
BW Warriors HOOOOOOOOOO!

>>44627123
>Because they're so self diluted in how they look, they don't understand that they look like shit
I don't want to defend them too much, but that is blatant bullshit for the most part.

>>44626974
Not an issue outside limited with Wastes being a thing now.

>>44627123
>self diluted


Are they solutions?

>>44627875
he's just mad, I wouldn't worry about him anon

>>44627878
Wastes are shit man. Any land like desolate lighthouse taps for colourless and don't forget filterlands. There's so many ways to enable colourless in modern you don't even need to look at painlands. Fuck, I'd rather jam a few inkmoth nexus in a deck cause that's a clock too. These "need colourless mana" creatures are gonna be sweet

>>44627240
First off, "shit" and "effortless" aren't the same point. For instance, The Ajani in >>44627015 probably took some effort, putting on the face paint, drawing the lines.

The issue is: That's not what Ajani looks like, that's a generic tiger face paint. Ajani's facial lines radiate outward from his eyes.

Or compare the Garruk helmets in >>44627089
and >>44627123. The former, despite not having the body type to carry off Garruk, clearly invested some actual time and effort in his outfit, while the latter looks like he wrapped cardboard in duct tape.

I know plenty of cosplayers, even several semi-professionals, and once of the first things they all consider is "Who CAN I cosplay? Who can I afford to replicate, and am similar enough in appearance to match respectably?"

It's one of the reasons I don't cosplay: I'm 6'2" and 270 pounds. Other than guys like Gragas from League, there's not enough tall, fat characters to be a good match.

Also, if you actually look at the posts, a lot of them are "Well, This Character did a good job".

>>44627123
>>44627875

It can be that the person is deluded enough to not notice the difference. Other options include: They just don't care, preferring to select Cosplay options based on personal character likes; They may be attempting to make a statement regarding the planeswalkers' body types and the general public; They could have been forced into it to complete a group dynamic.

There's plenty of options.

>>44627520
And Newlamog, the presumable commander of the deck (otherwise you wouldn't call it a "Newlamog EDH"), has a color identity of colorless. Hence, you can't put Zendikar Resurgent in, because its color identity is Green.

Your point did nothing to refute what you said.

>>44627973
>Or compare the Garruk helmets in >>44627089 (You)
>and >>44627123 (You). The former, despite not having the body type to carry off Garruk, clearly invested some actual time and effort in his outfit, while the latter looks like he wrapped cardboard in duct tape.
>I know plenty of cosplayers, even several semi-professionals, and once of the first things they all consider is "Who CAN I cosplay? Who can I afford to replicate, and am similar enough in appearance to match respectably?"
>It's one of the reasons I don't cosplay: I'm 6'2" and 270 pounds. Other than guys like Gragas from League, there's not enough tall, fat characters to be a good match.
>Also, if you actually look at the posts, a lot of them are "Well, This Character did a good job".
This nigga knows what's up. Well written

>>44627973
>I'm 6'2" and 270 pounds
You gotta get fucking swole as fuck and cosplay Linebacker Druid

Or Linebacker Paladin

>>44627973
>I'm 6'2" and 270 pounds
You already have the height, why not just work out and git gud enough to cosplay

>>44626101
I mean, it's a decent deck but I don't usually want to be in it unless I get something like a Drana's Emissary. Blue decks tend to preform the best in this format.

>>44628031
You think I'd be posting on /tg/ in the mid-afternoon if I was the type of guy who went out and got swole?

More seriously, I've actually put on a fair bit of weightt in the last few months due to stress (big move, work issues, etc), and I've just started working on taking it off. We'll see if by this time next year I can't at least do a passable Big Guy.

>>44627825
>B/W Warriors
>Running this over Brutal Horderchief or Gideon in the 4-drop slot

>>44627971
There's plenty of ways to get colorless in Modern, but I wasn't talking about Modern.

>>44628127
sorry, one of the few formats I play anymore, and I only frequent those threads, so I just automatically assume people are talking about that format

>>44628116
The key to being fit is having a possible lifestyle mang. You don't have to be a zyzz, just start helping yourself at a pace you can manage. At the very least go for a run everyday and start drinking more water and start containing your calorie count.

>>44623064
>It's a god damn miracle.
No, miracles are coming back next block.

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>>44626317
we all do

>>44628230
high App makes you a loli?

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>>44628009
Isn't Garruk like eight feet tall or something? Compare him to Liliana.

>>44628344
>6'1
>5'11

>>44628371
/fit/ pls go

>>44628344
TRIGGERS
R
G
G
E
R
S

>>44628344
Why is this woman being explicitly raped?

>>44627015
That Liliana looks great, though. Only thing I'd fix is the tiara.

>>44624201
Why isn't its mana cost just listed as 3?

>>44628442
2<> is more restrictive

>>44628344
>>44628371
Canonically, he's 8'2" and 480 pounds. Liliana is 5'9", 140 lbs.

>>44628409
>>44628442
You're both bad people.

>>44628409
cuz she's a whore

>>44628423
Her outfit is way too red. I'd still fuck her

>>44628486
you'd fuck anything that wiggles

>>44628119
BW Vamp allies then....HOOOOOOOO!

>>44628462
>You're both bad people.
>don't follow MTG autistically
>"bad person"

>>44628486
True but, honestly? Everything else besides the hue of the outfit is right on. Besides, it's an outfit. Outfits can change as long as they're well made and you can still tell which character's in the outfit.

>>44628409
She deserves it? Do you not know who Liliana Vess is? I literally can't think of anyone else in MTG lore more deserving of an involuntary dicking from Garruk's roid rage coffee can cock.

>>44628606
Bolas

>>44628606
Urza.

>>44628634
Yeah but I can't fap to that

inb4 dragon dildos

>>44628606
Jace

>>44628606
Nissa.
Tibalt.

>>44628634
>>44628646
I doubt garruk gives a fuck about them.

>>44628555
There's been at least 50 threads about this shit in the past two months. Wizards has had its unveiling of it, as well as been catty about the fact that it was spoiled ahead of schedule. IT's been the talk of every Magic venue in existence.

So. no, I don't believe the question was asked in good faith. Like the one about the 'rape', I suspect that both were made to re-open closed arguments.

Tragically, I'll allow that it's not impossible that you might have missed it, and therefore the question is just unfortunately framed as if it was meant to start shit. These things happen on 4chan.

>>44628606
>implying Liliana doesn't want hatesex with Garruk's coffee can cock

>>44628606
I play black and she's my favorite planeswalker, and I still want to see that happen.

>>44628668
says you

Why so few spoilers today?

>>44627998
You forgot to erase something...
...unless that's the joke.

>>44628698
Seeing badass Black characters suffer for their power is half the fun of Black.

The other half is seeing everyone else suffer.

>>44628713
Because they post good cards to build up hype for the set.

Sadly, there aren't enough good cards to keep going and they've run out. That's why they were pissy about the leaks.

>>44628727
It's the joke, but thanks for being the only one that noticed. Thought it was missed

>>44627015
Liliana does look better in red and silver than purple and purple.

>>44628727
As the dude he's green-texting, I don't know if I'd call it a 'joke' that I quoted two of his pictures for the argument.

Unless there's another joke that I'm missing.

>>44628769
It's a shame she's avoided every consequence of what's happened to her, and will likely continue to do so, because she's The Black Protagonist.
And unlike the GOOD black characters, she refuses to admit to the things she does as being horrible (and not giving a shit), it's always Someone Else's Fault.

>>44628462
>Canonically, he's 8'2"
You know, I have absolutely no problem believing an eviroment that breeds baloths would have tall as fuck people.
Makes me wonder why we don't see more Domri and Garruk tier body differences. Other than the bitch on art direction being creatively bankrupt.

>>44628940

So she's a realistic woman character?

Jokes aside, I hope they replace her with Ob Nixilis as the black planeswalker, he is much better and embraces the evil fully

>>44626417
>implying EDH isn't a made up rule set to begin with

>>44627240
I'm sure they had fun, is just their costumes are shit.

>>44626125
>accurate terminology is stupid

>so fat he doesn't want to move from his seat to the random one generated for him at the draft

>>44629427
All cosplaying is stupid no matter how accurate it is.

>>44623230
Holy shit, this is sexy as fuck.

>>44629528
Tack on that flashback cost and my dick is double diamond.

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>>44624925
Couldn't make it with a 1 mana casting cost?

>>44629075
Lili is worse black walker. I even prefer Sorin.

>>44629724
one mana mana-dork? Probably too high-powered, they want something that won't be picked early to have some colorless in drafts.

>>44629422
All rule sets are made up dude.

>>44629724
C'mon Heliod.

You can't hate that Browns. It's like hating the poor kid only due to the fact that he's poor. He can't help it. He just is.

>>44629724
>Couldn't make it with a 1 mana casting cost?
Development's current stand is that 1-mana mana dorks are too good for Standard.

>>44630219
did they give a reason why?
I am really curious

Stormchaser Mage gives me hope for humanity.

>>44630259
Green decks have been too good recently. Being able to curve out with a three-drop on turn 2 and a four-drop on turn 3 is pretty explosive stuff in this day and age where removal is more expensive and conditional.

>>44622903
This is my favorite card in the set right now. Not even lying, I fucking love Wisps.

>>44630362
that is what confuses me, wouldn't the solution to be better removal?

>>44630219

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually agree with wizards take on that. No 1 mana dorks means that instead of seeing turn 3 on turn 2, we see turn 4 on turn 3. Both of these see turn 4 happen on turn 5, but it gives other decks an extra turn on level ground. It promotes more interaction, I think. You won't see something like Deathmist Raptor or Mantis Rider on T2, but you'll still see Siege Rhino or Gideon on T3.

>>44630406
It seens that they want to make the game more creature-centric, so they can't print many good removal.

>>44630259
Because they want to make extremely powerful 2 and 3 and 4 drop critters and the guy who reliably gets to skip up a step is at an advantage. Therefore, the 1 drop mana dork is too good.

Not, you know, the overpowered undercosted creatures.

>>44630259
Removal and spells in general have been so nerfed that they can't keep up with a 3-drop on turn 2

>>44630430
Well more powerful, efficient, low CMC is much better than lowering their power just to have useless mana dorks.
Siege rhino isn't even overpowered anyways. It's just that Standards manabase is too good right now.

>>44630406
The main reason we get more conditional removal now is to that people have a chance of building decks to get around commonly played removal spells. So if Ultimate Price is the most commonly played removal spell you can play a deck with creatures like Fleecemane Lion, whereupon people might instead start playing removal like Bile Blight.

It's simply meant to make the meta more diverse and reward those who succesfully can predict it and prepare accordingly.

>>44630515
I honestly don't know what they were thinking when they decided to print a cycle of duals in a Standard environment that already had fetches. Every time Standard has had good mana bases it has resulted in four- and five-colored decks that all look very similar to each other dominating the format becaue they have access to all the good cards in all of the colors.

>>44626101
So it's the right time to make BW pauper EDH deck

>>44627211
LOW TEST
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>>44630219
So are you saying that after the autists in WotC made Elvish Mystic because Llanowar Elves were plural, the card got axed? lol

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So I just started magic and am going to the gatecrash pre-release, this will be my first magic event of any kind. Based on the spoilers, what should I look out for/hold onto? I have a shitty budget BWEldrazi deck.

>>44631589
Don't trade or sell any cards until you get home and check their values.

Next week, LSV of ChannelFireball will begin releasing his limited set review for each color. Definitely read those.

Pre-releases are usually very chill and casual since no one has actually played with the set yet.

They're great for new players. Have fun.

>>44631589
Be nice to everyone and thank your judge if he or she managed to provide you all with a nice prerelease experience.
Also, don't be too shy to ask the judge if you have any questions on your first Magic event ever. Judges are there to help you.

>>44631589
>gatecrash
Anon are you from the past?

>>44631740
lol my bad
>gatewatchers*

>>44631589
If you get your hands on a planeswalker, you can safely sell it for the price most sites will sell it for, since planeswalkers are the most inflated cards during pre-releases.

>>44631589
Hold onto Matter Reshaper. It's going to see play in older formats.

>>44631589
Rule of thumb, hold onto rares and mythics if you don't their value.

With some luck and good eye on speculation you will even be able to get profit from attending pre-release events, they are the best events.

>>44631991
speaking of that, what cards is everyone looking to grab asap?
For me it's Matter Reshaper, Reality Smasher, Eldrazi Displacer, Stone Haven Outfitter, Oath of Gideon

>>44631294
They made Elvish Mystic because they never go to Dominaria anymore, and Llanowar is a location on Dominaria and they wanted something more reprintable.
But yes, it is currently considered too powerful.

>>44632165
Those you listed and Thought-Knot Seer and Oath of Nissa.
Also a Linvala for my collection.

>>44632165
>speaking of that, what cards is everyone looking to grab asap?
Just Matter Reshaper. I don't expect much else to see play outside of Standard.

Frankly, I'm happy they threw us a bone at all.

>>44632240
Oh right, Thought-Knot. Yeah thats a good one.

>>44632165
Reality Smasher, Matter Reshaper, Thought-Knot Seer, Oath of Nissa, Eldrazi Displacer, maybe Mina and Denn so I can finally make a Red/Green commander deck

>>44631589
You won't need to bring a deck. Prereleases are Sealed events. That means you are given 6 packs and build a deck out of those 6 packs with a minimum card count of 40 instead of 60. Basic lands (not wastes) are provided for you. Prerelease events give you a prepackaged box with 6 packs, a promo that you can play with, and a spin down d20 with the set symbol.

>>44632165
Eldrazi Displacer, Goblin Dark-Dwellers, Matter Reshaper, Reality Smasher, Reflector Mage are probably the main ones

>>44630219
>1-mana mana dorks are too good
But that's wrong, it's what they can ramp into that's far too horseshit good. Fuck rhino.

Do we know at what time on Friday the full set is to be spoiled?

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>>44629724
>>44629898
>Elspeth was a Browns fan
She just can't win, can she?

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>>44632856
But anon, no one attacks with mana dorks, and that creates Unfun Moments.

Just play big creatures like everyone else. It's much better this way! I'd like to think WotC knows a fair bit more about their game than you do.

>>44632856
You're looking at the problem the wrong way.

Magic is nominally and moderately based around the idea of mana curves. That's one of the reasons >>44624425 is trash: a cost of 7 is so late in the game as to be laughable to need ramping.

As such, ramp effects, as with card advantage and anything that shifts the tempo in your favor, are very important and powerful.

As a base illustration, old green decks were often capable of Mana dorking into a mana dork/ramp spell turn 2. So they'd start their third turn with 4-5 mana sources.

5 costs in green are often 4/4s through 6/6s. Frequently with perks. Dropping one of those turn 3 is huge compared to the 2/3s you're likely to see at turn 3 in other colors.

Cheap mana dorks are a problem if not balanced for, which is becoming harder because of the design shifts of wizards. Before, Llanowar Elves weren't important, because a 5 cost green creature was stuff like a 4/5 that didn't take damage from artifacts. And black or blue could get rid of it for 2 mana.

Wizards has since realized that 2-3 mana to destroy cards that cost anywhere from 2 to 11 mana is a problem, since it's a vast difference in expended resources. So they upped the cost of removal, and made creatures better, because they'd been weaker than spells.

THAT's when it got noted that cheap mana dorks were a problem, because now things were actually tuning to closer values, so anything that gave you the edge became more important.

>>44633158
>Just play big creatures like everyone else.
And how the fuck am I going to do that without a proper 1-drop ramping tool so I can not be BTFO by them removing my Rattleclaw Mystic and then losing because I'm going in on turn 3 with fuck-all on the board.

>>44633243
Then bring back strong removal, preferably in White and Red more. The problem is that the 4 and 5 drops WotC wants to print in standard are FAR too ahead of their CMC curve, like fucking Rhino.

Just let me play my "A couple dorks, burn and a fuckload of 3drops" Temur again Wizards, I wish Theros hadn't rotated.

>>44633158
>tfw I thought the 2/1 mana elf in BFZ was good and I always picked her
>tfw slowly finding out it's shit because it comes too late to be substantial ramp and it's too shitty for three mana as a creature

>>44628676
Tibalt did nothing but die to Sorrin

>>44633321
>Then bring back strong removal, preferably in White and Red more
The problem with that is that strong removal makes players feel terrible.
Honestly, I actually agree with Wizards that removal either needs to be slightly costly or conditional.
If I want to play big dumb creatures I can't because they just eat a 3CMC removal and since it's late game the opponent still has mana open to make another act on their turn while I just spent my entire turn on that big bastard that just died.
Since Big Dumb Creatures isn't a valid arcetype because removal, the best you can do is midrange value and that's boring because it's not Big Dumb Creatures it's 3-5CMC efficient creatures that provide value like siege rhino.

>>44633650
>He doesn't play protection and/or card draw with his big dumb creatures.
You counter their shit to protect tour big dumbs or you have enough card advantage you simply play more big dumbs than they have removal for.

>The problem with that is that strong removal makes players feel terrible.
I used to feel that too when I was a new player but don't worry, you get over it once you realize the alternative is being run over by midrange creatures all fucking day. Even when removal is poor, people will ALWAYS play Midrange over Big Dumbs and before you tell me Eldrazi Ramp is a Big Dumbs deck, it ALSO gets value before even resolving it's spells. In fact, New Kozi is the kind of card that singehandedly solve all of Big_Dumbs.dec's problems in relation to strong removal.
>Honestly, I actually agree with Wizards that removal either needs to be slightly costly or conditional.
Hi, MaRo.

>>44633525
He's not dead, he just ran away.

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>>44633792
>You counter their shit to protect tour big dumbs or you have enough card advantage you simply play more big dumbs than they have removal for.
>the colors that get the best card advantage and the only counters is blue

>>44634097
>red
>big creatures

You're doing it wrong.

>>44634097
>implying the only way to protect big dumbs is blue
White has "Protection from X" spells
Green can grant Hexproof
Black has targeted discard
Red is, regrettably, a colour that gets shafted for ever getting good cards

But yes, you should usually play blue with whatever colours you're trying to build big dumbs unless there's already another dual or tri colour combo without blue that makes the deck good, in which case you simply have to accept that yes, a deck that is purely big dumbs without any ways to get ahead in-case you get removal shoved up your ass is a bad deck.

>>44634146
>dragons are useless
>there can never be any competitive red decks that are not aggro/burn
JUST
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>>44634208
Dragons are meant to be finishers, not a deck strategy you build around. Amazingly enough, the color full of aggressive cards doesn't lend itself well to durdle strats by itself.

>>44634208
>>there can never be any competitive red decks that are not aggro/burn
The problem is that WotC only ever gives Red damage based removal, which is the MOST conditional of all removal types while also costing this removal poorly if it has the ability to hit the other players face and often both costs it highly AND only lets it hit creatures. And to top it off they say red is a 'spell focused' colour despite having some of the shittiest spells in the game most of the time and also some of the shittier creatures because it is 'spell focused'.
Also
>dragons are useless
Thunderbreak Reagent would like to have a word with you.
Stop building tribal decks and expecting to win you dumbfuck.

>>44634208
Hey friend, dragons are very useful in EDH :^)

>>44631589
At the theros prerelease Phosphuros was $20 so i traded for some shit.
The next day he was $5
It's risky, but if you get a hype card you either go for gold or you hold onto it.

>>44634097
UG is the lord of big, dumb creatures. Because they can actually protect them or cheat them into play.

>>44634208
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>>44634208
>>44634312

I run a standard Grixis Dragons deck, it's been pretty damn successful too.

>>44632257
Reality Smasher is going to be a modern and standard staple, believe it

>>44635001
Post list?

Any L O N D O N players here?

>>44635032
>standard staple
Anything can be good in Standard. Some cards are terrible, rotate out, then come back as super stars. Wildfire is a great example.

>modern
I'll be honest: I forgot that format existed.

>>44635196

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grixis-dragon-control-v3/

>>44635407

I will have you note this isn't a pansy dragon list like Esper that runs 4 Ojutai and calls itself a Dragon Deck, the whole purpose of this is to run you the fuck over with Lightning Lizards

So when are the last few cards being revealed again? Should be tomorrow or something, right?

>>44635223
I think sea gate wreckage will see some legacy/vintage play.
With how insane eye of ugin is with small eldrazi I wouldn't be surprised if a teir 2.5 eldrazi deck forms either.

>>44635865
Monday, I think.

>>44634207
Red HAD redirect. But there isn't whole hell of a lot of it any more.

>>44629724
Spring was better before he went all WB on us. Back when he was mono B I was sort of hoping that he would become the new black protagonist.

>>44634207
>White has "Protection from X" spells
>Green can grant Hexproof
I'm so sorry. I don't know how to tell you this, anon...

>>44636790
Everybody knows that protection isn't going away completely. White is still going to get things like Lithomancer's Focus, which clearly would have granted "protection from colorless" before they decided protection from x was too hard to explain.

I can't say I've heard anything about green losing hexproof, though, where did you hear that?

>>44636693
Honestly, I like the idea of red pumping mana into shit to do shit. Why can't a red mage pay X to counter a spell? The blue mage carefully picks the right counter, but the red mage uses brute force and passion to blast the spell away.

XR Counter Blast
Instant
Counter target spell with converted mana cost less than x.
>Years of careful practice, study, and execution ruined by a moment of anger.

XRR Spell Flare
Instant
Counter up to X target spells with converted mana cost less than x.
>To a master pyromancer, everything is kindling.

>>44636942
>Years of careful practice, study, and execution ruined by a moment of anger.
I'm pretty sure there's already a card with flavor text just like that. Also:
>x or less

>>44636987
>x or less

I know what I said. You have to pay more than the cost of the spell for x, which is representing overpowering the spell with brute force.

The flavor text might be something off the top, but it does sound familiar.

>>44633332
Is that the one that taps for any color of mana? If so, she's bretty good anon, especially if you have huge balls and go for a 3 color draft deck.

>>44636942
I think exiling or discarding your hand/deck to either pay mana or pump spells would be the best
>strategy? Fuck that let's punch him in the fucking face!
Plus it kind of works with wheel effects
Alternative red ideas
-effects that hurt opponents incrementally, simulating them and their shit being on fire
-red damage that doesn't fall off. Never made sense that you can burn the shit out of something and they just shake it off at eot. Kinda edging in on black though.
-destroying permanents, getting mana based on the cmc of what got burned

>>44637110
>You have to pay more than the cost of the spell for x, which is representing overpowering the spell with brute force
Ah, alright, I see what you're saying.

>>44636874
Hexproof is still officially supported, mostly because Wizards haven't found a good substitute for it, but much like how Protection now is a once in a blue moon sort of thing so is Hexproof now also something that you won't be seeing regularly.

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Creatures: the Attacking

>>44637463
You're, like, 24 hours late anon.

>>44637150
But I already won a BFZ Draft with a four color no-synergies deck and no fixing whatsoever except that one common green land. I don't want to draft that 2/1 elf girl who did nothing but disappoint me anymore.

>>44637228
Yea. I think it is a very red thing. You could also over charge x, which makes it harder counter with a similar effect

>>44637184
I think the best way to handle burning without delving into blacks -1/-1 cointers is looking at Obsidian Fireheart. In this case, have the the creature take the damage again every turn. It the problem there is that it is wordy. Something like making a keyword like Searing.

Whenever a creature takes damage from a source with Searing, but that many Burn counters on it. At the beginning of each turn, each creature with one or more burn counters takes x damage where x is equal to the number of burn counters on it.

That way, the damage is more or less permanent and is made worse by Furnace effects, which make perfect sense. Sadly, you'd probably have to pay at least 1R for 2 Searing damage.

As fronted card advantage, exile draw is good, but I think it needs to be cheaper. I think Act on Impulse for 2 mana would be fine.

I have so many neat ideas, but they'd probably be better off in a new game.

>>44637612
Green overall is a very unimpressive color in BFZ. Also, that guy is retarded. I almost always end up playing three colors with nothing but Evolving Wilds to fix my mana and I regurarly go 2-1 or 3-0.

>>44626317
i dont, sauce?

>>44634303
>Stop building tribal decks and expecting to win you dumbfuck

BW warriors needs to have a chat with you

>>44623286
if cantrips are a part of the set then everyone gets it, pleb

>>44634208
>there can never be any competitive red decks that aren't intrinsically red

>>44638092
Look, shut up.

There's a reason why strong tribal interactions infrequently appear in Standard Magic. It's because Wizards cannot allow linear strategies like tribal or keyword mechanics to get out of hand because people feel like their pet tribe doesn't get enough love. Every now and then we'll get Devotion taking off but more often than not keywords or tribes are useless and only there to make lorefags happy. I'm willing to be once we go back to Innistrad some shitters will be crying about why we haven't seen Elves in a major block yet.

Furthermore, building around a theme is a crutch and you're never going to get better at the game if you leash yourself to shit that isn't designed to work. If you don't want to get good at the game and want to continue smashing your head against the wall trying to "break" tribes then fine.

>>44638120
He's right though, and his original comment was a joke. Calm your shit.

>>44628409
I mean, nice meme, but why does everyone always say that she's being raped? All i see is that Garruk is about to tear out her throat

>>44638243

From what I gather on the card itself it's harder to see that she's clearly angered and charging up an attack as he threatens her, someone got the wrong idea, and the usual internet overreaction happened.

All sorts of people read too much into MTG card art sometimes, like that debacle with Olivia Voldaren because the artist flubbed the hand position for "daintily holding her skirt as she floats."

>>44638243
SJW's saw the art and "muh patriarchy/rape culture!". Anon's post was obviously tongue-in-cheek.

>>44638243
Knee in between her legs I bet.
Oh and the magic on her hands that she's about to use on him looks like it's sputtering out not building up.
So from a new perspective he's overpowered her, put her on her back and opened up her legs while holding her down and threatening to beat her.
It made me uncomfortable first time I saw it when I was new. Now I think she deserves it, and more.

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>>44638356
>It made me uncomfortable first time I saw it when I was new
I -really- hope you're kidding.

>>44638243
Because tumblr.

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>>44638412

Different guy here, but I can sorta see his point. When I got the card in a pack, I didn't look too closely at the art at first and thought "huh, she looks scared. That's a side of her I haven't seen before."

Then I looked closer and realized she was just angry and getting ready to counterattack.

>>44628409
fuck you. I have a fetish and you've only left me disappointed.

I should explicitly rape you for that.

>>44638412
It was just a few seconds of misunderstanding.
The human brain sees sex in everything, and they're not exactly smiling and blushing at each other.

>>44638443
>>44638518
Alright, that's fair, I can understand misinterpreting an image lacking context. It really is unfortunate that the art depicts Garruk there in such a suggestionable manner, but once the observer understands what spurred this confrontation it's obvious that it's entirely nonsexual. Garruk just wants to be free of the curse Liliana cast on him and he's not above threatening violence, even becoming violent to achieve that end. The fact that Liliana is female is irrelevant to him.

>>44628674

Garruk would ruin that boypussy for everyone else to come.

>>44638181
>is proven wrong
>Abloobloo your are playing the game wrong !

Whatever you say mang

>>44624925
I guess Mirs are too powerful for Standard now.

>>44630259
When threats are stronger than answers, making the threats appear faster makes for a lame game. Also, playing removal becomes a losing proposition.

A better solution would be to make removal playable again (and in uncommon and common rarities, too) but that would make new players leave the game crying.

>>44640752
I really think Innistrad was good for new players because there was undying and a lot of creatures that did something in the graveyard, which didn't make them feel totally powerless against control.