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/mlb/ general - Tigers Win Edition

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Tigers beat Royals 3-2 after Mikie Mahtook homers in the 9th

KC:Kelvin Herrera exits with trainer in ninth
NYM:DeGrom allows one run in 6 2/3, beats Cards
TOR:Aaron Sanchez dealing with blister again
BOS:Sandoval refutes report of Giants signing
OAK:Athletics sign Chris Carter to minors deal
ARZ:J.D. Martinez exits with left hand contusion
TB:Steven Souza suffers left hip strain in loss
COL:Blackmon lifted due to cramping in upper leg
COL:Arenado goes off for three homers, seven RBI
CWS:Tyler Clippard to serve as closer for ChiSox
NYY:Todd Frazier (hand) expected in lineup Thurs.
SEA:Mariners' Paxton dominates first-place Astros
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losedians
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YOU NOW REMEMBER ENDY CHAVEZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EaEQVKIDGU
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you now remember pants dog
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Discuss.
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You can only reply to this post if your team has not yet won a single game since returning from break
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ONE POINT FIVE
BROORS FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
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The next week of your life is gonna define this franchise for the next 5 or 6 years and maybe define your career don't fuck it up you beautiful bastard
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Injuns desu
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>>77216689
you now remember Brett's detailed anecdote about shitting his pants

i don't expect anyone forgot that though
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>>77216699
Forgot pic
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>>77216698
Here
>>77216694
This perfectly describes the pathetic state >we are in right now. Classic Jew owner giving his chosen people failed opportunities while all but disappointment awaits the horizon guised as hope.
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>>77216699
Are you counting how many men you've kissed for free beers so far?
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>BREAKING: #Dodgers announce they will be sellers at trade deadline. They already know they will choke, so they have decided to build up the farm instead.
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Dodgers win!
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>Jacob deGrom: 2.87 career ERA. Among active pitchers with 75 starts, only Clayton Kershaw has lower ERA
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>>77216740
is all that white stuff around him dandruff?
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I bet the Yankees trade for Michael Wacha. Cap this post. Right fucking now.
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>>77216684
I will never forget le grit man
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Discuss.
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>>77216733
>against the whos
They're literally intentionally losing games.
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pls don't sign, Pablo. We don't need you
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>>77216751
>Michael Wacha
who

>Yankees
WHO???
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>>77216762
WE WERE FLEECED

ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR BROS

WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT SALE

SO THAT NOW INSTEAD OF BEING 15 GAMES UNDER .500 WE'D BE 10 GAMES UNDER
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>>77216762
The stats wont show that they were good at bats. Had good plate discipline and he will get better
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>>77216785
Actually. Keeping Sale might have been right, since if you want fuck all to win, you hold on to your players. Name me a single position player that has come out strong in this god forsaken farm system over the years. The last one I can remember is Alexei Ramirez and even he was shit by most's standards.
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>>77216762
Lmao trade the best pitcher in baseball for a confirmed bust
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>>77216795
Keeping Sale would have done nothing.
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>>77216794
I'll see it until I believe it. So far, he's done nothing but disappoint in his big league career. Let's not count our chickens suddenly hoping he'll perform anywhere above Alexei with that output he provides.
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>>77216751
i actually can't come up with an argument against this
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>>77216797
Kyle Hendricks didn't get traded
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>>77216805
>9 games
oh man
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>>77216806
Why would the Cardinals trade Wacha? Use your noggin
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>>77216795
Object of baseball is to have the most top 100 prospects in your farm system don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise
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>>77216797
its not that funny when the other option was keeping him and doing nothing but wasting him
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thank you based bucs
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>>77216795
Alexei wasn't even on the farm.
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>>77216797
Such is art.
>>77216800
It would have given us at least 8 more wins than our current total. And with Q still there, at least 3 extra wins. You don't trade your key pieces for bust to be scraps. Here is where Hahn has completely Jewed >us in getting those that do nothing but fizzle upon a big league call up here. The last person to not do this was Alexei Ramirez. This was almost 10 years ago.
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>>77216733
Doyers
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>Nationals getting 1 hit by Alex Meyer through 7
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>>77216823
And that just proves my point. Not a single position player has come up to produce anything in this farm system. Not one in the current Kenny/Hahn era.
>>77216812
It only works out half of the time. Not when the wrong people are behind the scenes such as here in Chicago.
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>>77216826
I would have preferred to see the kike sox stay in baseball hell forever

now that they are finally attempting a proper rebuild the twenty-eight idiot fans who still follow the team are upset

>embrace the tank
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>the fucking debbie downer faggot has returned and is already called the rebuild a bust because moncada didn't hit 3 dingers
ffs calm yourself faggot
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>>77216840
>attempting a proper rebuild
There is no "rebuilding" there is only, disappointment, and art. Solely, art.
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>>77216812
This. Think about it. You have 7 of the top 100 minor league players. These boys weren't good enough for the bigs, but there's a whole lot of them. You might even get one of them to play 4 seasons in the majors with a career 2.6 WAR.

Who even needs an inarguably top-5 ace lol
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Weren't the Padres paper champions a couple years back?
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>>77216853
Having 2 aces on your team saves you 10-15 wins in terms of Sabermetrics.
>>77216845
Like I said, I'll see it until I believe it. Right now, I am not convinced at all that he will be an everyday player.
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>>77216862
>dads
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>>77216797
Why do people forget that Michael Kopech, the #2 pitching prospect, was also included in the deal?
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>>77216868
Kopech is a head-case overrated because "muh fastball"
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>>77216851
fuck off

god fucking damn it this is fucking stupid calling Moncada a bust already and declaring the whole rebuild a failure

there was NO FUCKING POINT AT ALL in continuing as theyve been. They had 5 FUCKING years to build around what appeared to be a core and they couldnt fucking do it. Did you want 5 more fucking years of nothing? Fuck off.

at least this is a change of direction and has a chance to turn into something instead of the 0% baseball hell we were in

amd nothing felt worse than all that wasting of Sale ans Qs brilliance especially when we failed them to get the cy young year after year despite deserving it

just fuck off
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>>77216863
>I have watched 1 game and I can already tell what the career will be like of this 22 year old
I change my mind, just fucking kill yourself if you're just going to bitch non stop
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BRYCE RECOGNIZES TROUT'S PENIS
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>people unironically call trade deadline stuff "hot stove"
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The best player in baseball just hit a 2-run homer
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>>77216870
>they couldn't build it the first time, so let's give the same monkey the same set of tools and hope for the best the second time
Loving this
I am LOVING this
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Are the Nats finished? Will they even make the postseason?
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>Harper is better than Trou-
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>>77216870
I'll see it until I believe it. But believe it or not, all of us here aren't like you and have optimism. >We have been sitting with terrible squad after terrible squad since the 2nd half of 2012 with no residue of hope.
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White Sox should move to sunny Florida to increase interest and attendance
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>>77216871
Try almost 10 games and a career average below .100
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>>77216881
Even if thats a 1% chance to succeed cause theyre monkeys

1% is still more than 0%. A LOT MORE.

and at this rate we'll take ANYTHING we can get

ANY FUCKING THING

FOR FUCK SAKE I WAS BARELY ENTERING COLLEGE THE LAST TIME WE WERE IN THE POSTSEASON

FUCKING COLLEGE
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>>77216897
Will do thanks
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>>77216853
Both the White Sox and Padres are standing in the shadows of their 2015 banner year.
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>>77216890
The phrase you're looking for is "I'll believe it when I see it". And no one gives a fuck about your pessimism or what you've been through as a fan. Shut up already.
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Man I totally forgot how pathetic White Sox fans are reading this thread. You're literally doing what Houston did years ago. Look at where they are now. Christ.
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>>77216896
>implying white sox aren't chiraq's new lovable losers

sheeeit man in live in STL where Cardinals are God and even i have seen an influx of white sox gear this year
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>>77216910
One glaring difference, there were no Astros fans on /mlb/ before May of 2017.
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>>77216896
How about you go fuck yourself.

I've been watching and following this team for too goddamn long for them to move on me. I love them more than anything else in the world and have stayed loyal even through the worst times like 2011, 2013 and well now. I'm not gonna let all that time I spent watching every horrible game be rewarded by a big fuck you to my face by them moving. There will be he'll to pay. Fuck you.
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>>77216896
>Florida
>a viable sports market
25% of the Chicago market is better than anything else available.
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W O E I S M E
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>>77216922
>There will be he'll to pay
when the autistic kid tries to act tough
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>>77216897
>I suddenly watched all 10 games of moncada's
>because of these 10 games, I know what will happen next
You are such a fucking faggot holy shit. I bet you would've also given up on pic related too after his first year you cum guzzling sperg
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>>77216922
"Those Lovable Losers in Largo"
Fund it, print it
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>>77216910
Its only one or two and maybe a falseflaggers

No one can say that we'd have been better off keeping Sale and Q and winning mid 70s games accomplishing absolutely FUCKING NOTHING
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>>77216922
>we

you have just managed to use an entire paragraph to say
">we"
when you could have just saved yourself some time and said
>we
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>>77216914
Sup BasedAJ
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>>77216928
>as yes, let me bust out the stats of the ESPN's legendary Half-Season Ogre Boy
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>>77216927
I'm too mad to give a fuck at autocorect
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>>77216945
Just simmer down and go hug your body pillow. No one is taking your sperg rants seriously.
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>>77216944
Trout put up an 87 wRC+ (.220/.281/.390) in the first 40 games he was called up in 2011.
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>Trade a solid core for some magic beans
lol
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>>77216910
Didn't Houston do it better because they had multiple 100+ loss season? How many do the whos have?
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>>77216953
>solid core
>70 wins
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>We have a good, strong, solid half of a team here. If we could just shore up the weak spots, I think we could really make a run for it
>FLUSH THE WHOLE FUCKING THING
lmao, the shitty of shitcongo
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>FUCK going for it, our fans WANT to wait 5 years to see watchable baseball
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>>77216944
>We shouldn't give this guy a chance, just look at these numbers!
>he'll never be worth anything on THESE numbers
Just fucking kill yourself already
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>>77216949
well then fuck you

I've suffered through so much being a fan of this team and this is what I get. Cant fucking win at all. Fucking stupid.

Whatever lets just see where this rebuild goes. 1% is still better than 0%. And no one gets this cause they havent watched us when we were 0%.
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>>77216955
the whos had some big trade chips tho

when the cusb burned it down they had next to nothing to trade for parts

the whos had multiple big ticket trade chips and did a decent job getting prospects out of them

its a rebuild on fast forward - still gonna need 3 years for things to shake out - and even then reinsdorf will fail to spend money when he should

but Im saying there's a chance
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>>77216970
>no one gets this
No one cares. The only relevance the Whos have on here to anyone is a team to make fun of.
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>>77216967
>>77216961
Sup KW

Still upset you weren't able to sign Arod?
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The more you bully them, the more woe is me posting they're going to do.
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>>77216977
Well fuck you then

lets leave it at that.
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>If we just sprayed for bugs, we might save these crops and have a godo harvest
>BURN THEM TO THE GROUND AND USE YOUR PERSONAL SHIT FOR MANURE
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what compells someone to samefag so hard?
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>>77216974
even 1% > 0%

Only the retards dont understand this.
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>>77216994
Bart has a lot of idle time on his hands.
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>>77216992
>YEAH SALE AND Q ARE GREAT
>LETS AUGMENT THEM WITH ADAM LAROCHE BRETT LAWRIE TODD FRAZIER JEFF SAMARDZIJA MATT ALBERS DAVID ROBERTSON YEAH THATLL DO THE TRICK
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>>77216878
>>77216883
>>77216880

I mean I agree that he's the best but does it really count if it's against Joe Blanton?
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>>77216994
It's really obvious too
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>>77216996
its the same sort of retard that results in sellouts for a mediocre bulce team year after year

they dont give a shit about winning it all, they are satisfied with mediocrity
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>>77217007
>let's give the same monkey the same tools and let him try again
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>>77217008
good post honestly
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Happy to see the Sox giving up, I like the privacy of my secret White Sox club
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>>77217030
Youre like half a year late
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Someone relocate and rebrand the White Sox to Indianapolis already.
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>>77217007
>ADAM LAROCHE
kek

>Jame Shield
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>>77217035
kys yourself

Why are you fags so obssessed with relocating us anyways?
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>>77217030
please stop samefagging.

Please.
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White Sox to Montreal, win-win situation
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>>77217007
>majority of these are obvious kenny trades with rick hahn as gm in name only
>didn't even mention james shields either
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White Sox to Cheyenne, WY would really give them a boost to interest and attendance
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>whos actually have enough fans here to be infighting amongst themselves about their team direction
It really makes you think about all the other teams' lifelongs in here.
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>>77217066
White Sox fans literally get off on the team being bad. I don't think it's a fair comparison.
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White Sox to an undisclosed sandlot in western Nebraska would really give them the jolt to interest and attendance ownership's been looking for
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>>77217071
No they don't. They just have never had the chance to watch an actual good team.
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How long has Eric Burns had that faggoty haircut?
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>White Sox to San Juan
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>>77217043
Maybe if your fans weren't such insufferable twats who hate winning I'd take my statement back.
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>>77217084
So they've only been fans for a couple of years? Why are you sucking them off for being sooper dooper loyal then?
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>>77217071
just fucking kill yourself

Im done ranting im done defending what cant be defended Im done with you twisting words and putting words into our mouth Im done with whatever just fucking kill yourself
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>>77217094
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>>77217092
>who hate winning
Do you honestly take the "embrace the tank" shitposting and the debbie downer faggot seriously
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>>77217105
Do you need to sit in your hugbox for a little while? Lashing out isn't a good look.
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>>77217114
>debbie downer faggot
faggotS
you're all debbie downer faggots
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>>77217094
>9 years since last postseason
>12 years since last world series
>never made the postseason in back to back years
>couple of years
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>>77217119
We lost 9-1 today in an ugly game where our bullpen let 6 straight baserunners reach including 3 straight XBH and our starter gave up 4 home runs

I'm allowed to lash out for a bit after shit like that

I'll be back to normal soon enough but that shit was painful
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>>77217120
Looks like that is a yes
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>>77217129
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>>77217133
>I'm allowed to lash out for a bit after shit like that
What exactly were you expecting? You're a bottom 2 team in baseball playing the best team in baseball. Methinks your expectations are just wholly unrealistic.
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>>77217142
The White Sox weren't playing the Indians today
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>>77217131
wonderful post
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>>77217131
Gotta agree
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>>77217144
Shut the fuck up, retard.
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>>77217120
Until our team can prove us otherwisr that might be true

but at least some of us have some hope for the future and just need to vent every now and then

>>77217142
Yeah. That's probably right. I keep telling myself to have no expectations but I still want them to win deep down. Then I post tank and down arrow memes in a useless attempt to feel better. Shit just sucks but nothing we can do about it.
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>>77217133
At least you've seen your team win the WS.
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>>77217155
>down arrow
holy shit I had forgotten all about this

ajajaj
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Fulmer
Faedo
Manning
Burrows
Funkhouser
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>be red sox front office
>become bffs with all the scouts
>shower them with underage prostitutes, luxury cars, and drugs
>have 2016 offseason skype call
>"make Moncada the number one prospect in baseball"
>"yes, lord dombrowski"
>trade a literal who to muddleheaded chili cheese dog deep dish pizza Chicago trash for Chris Sale
>win 2017 ws
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>>77217161
>win 2017 ws
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>>77217161
>chili cheese dog
But they put a bunch of fruit on their hotdogs
Fine cuisine
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>>77217161
>a big red down arrow
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>>77217161
>win 2017 ws
kek no
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>>77217167
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>>77217159
How? It's literally posted every thread.
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>>77217161
>>77217169
Also, certified spooky
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>>77217173
I thought it sounded gross until I went to a Sox game in 2014 when I was in Chi-Town.

The relish is so sweet - it's like candy.

t. Impressed Doyerfag
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"If you can’t win a series against the worst team in the league; there’s not much going for you, right there." – Giancarlo Stanton
Hey now, We'll take Marcell Ozuna off your hands!
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When can I expect the Padres to trade away their bullpen and Wil Meyers so they can secure the 2022 WS?
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>>77217184
i can do without the relish personally

for me its all about the pickle spear and tomatoes

onions mustard and peppers are standard fare imo
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>>77217206
In your MLB sim, I suppose
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>>77217173
my mouth is literally watering, like you're mom the first time she saw my sticky ding-dong
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>kenta maeda has a 4.38 ERA
Why are jap pitchers so bad in MLB?
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>>77217206
>2022

M8 thats an even year. Why do you think the Sneks played dumb last season despite Greinke?
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>>77217175
Yeah but it's a white noise post, one you see but it doesn't even register
Saying the words is so much more impactful

A Big Red Down Arrow
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Hold on I'm confused are whos fans saying moncada's a bust and people are giving them shit for it or are others saying he's a bust and giving them shit for it?
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>>77217243
one who's fan is saying it and everyone jumped in to shitpost or gave him shit for it
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>>77217243
both are stupid
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>>77217243
I'm playing all angles
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>>77217261
rusemaster detected
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>>77217261
bravo
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>>77217227
>Iwakuma ded
>Tanaka is crumbling
>Maeda with a 4+ ERA in the ninny league
>Darvish's injuries have diminished his career

Ohtani is the last hope for Japanese pitching
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>herro and wirrcome to chicago waito socksu basubarru!!
>ohh noo! we lose!
>saveu 10 percento financingu on new home withu guaranteedo rate
>arigato gozaimasu!

christ just sell the team
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>>77217272
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>>77217276
>hating Honda
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>>77217283

even his name is a car advertisement
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>>77216868
My nigga Buehler is jumping ahead of him.

No, but seriously, it's not like the WS are developing them from the start. No idea why you would be pessimistic over those prospects. If you can just get half of those guys to pan out, you have a solid young core on super cheap contracts. You can just sign free agents after that to complete the team. Having Sale and Quintana didn't mean shit. You weren't going to win with them purely because of timing.
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>>77217227
Maeda's ERA is down to 4.23 fampai. He's a top 40 pitcher, which is great considering he's the Dodgers #5/6 starter.

Soon it will be in the 3s again, where it should be.

Kenta is MLB's most elite pitcher.
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>>77217276
>coming out of sox game the last game I went to after of course yet another loss
>with couple of friends walking through the parking lot towards 35th
>see Gene walk by past the walkway to the parking lot
>tell my friends holy shit that was Gene Honda
>they say who?
>mfw
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>>77217297
yomo isnt one of the pessimistic ones
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>>77217319
>prease continue buy nippon pitcher with big american bucks prease thank you

peddle your wares elsewhere you gook filth
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>Mark Feinsand@Feinsand
>Source: Mariners close to dealing for a reliever.
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>>77217319
*elite Japanese pitcher, I mean

>inb4 Yu
Yu will never win a ring unless he somehow lands with the Stros or Dodgers. Also, his pitching will age like milk as his noodle arm begins.

Madea could pitch in his style until he's 40. His fastball is like, 90 at best.
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>>77217350

Why aren't the Mariners selling? They fucking suck and no they're not getting a wild card spot.
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>detoilet
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>>77217338
>Because I would personally benefit from a Jap player moving to the US to play baseball

hmmmm
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>>77217279
Nigga have you been watching him lately?
>gave up a game-tying dinger in baltimore
>loaded the bases in yesterday's game and had to have Pedro fucking Strop bail him out
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>>77217357
But selling Felix would be doing the same mistake as the whos.
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>>77217368
He is literally the best that wapanese pitching has to offer
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>>77217381
Darvish is much better
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>>77217279
maybe for O's and Angels fans, theres hope for Koji pitching.

Sad to say, the old samurai is past his twilight. 2013 was it. Shouldve ended has a high five swan song, but alas
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>>77217357
they have nothing to sell. They barely have any decent prospects, Cano has a no-trade clause, Felix is due $50 million over the next couple of seasons, Cruz has one year left after this, Seager has a big contract, Segura has a big contract. The only person they could conceivably sell and get a big haul for is Paxton, and it's just not worth it when you only really have one tradable asset.

The other thing is, the AL Wild card race is still going. Despite being at .500, the M's are only 1.5 games back, behind the Twins and Yankees. The Mariners are going on a 16 year playoff drought, simply making the wild card will make this season the most successful since 2001.
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>>77217350
Hot stove at this hour of the night?
Hell yes. Let's hear it.
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>>77217400
random prospect for tyler clippard
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I was reading a game review, and I think one of the things I love the most about baseball is, that it's by far the best sport to write a review over a game about.

It reads like a perfect story, especially in games with walkoffs, where each play, each hit and run has a whole lot you could write about behind it.

It's a lot more enjoyable than reading a highlight review about basketball, or Football or something.
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>>77217367

When the MLB signs an NPB meme pitcher, it injects cash into the NPB because of all the fines and fees and stipulations and such. Given the financial state of things and the estate tax in Japan, it follows that you stand to benefit from such a signing if only in a utilitarian way.

In the grander scheme of Japan waging economic warfare on the US, it is a win. By selling fraudulent baseball players to the MLB, Japan wins and America loses.
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>>77217392
Yeah, they have nothing to sell all right. That whole team top to bottom is fucking trash. Way to prove your point, faggot.
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>>77217421
yes, beisbol is the God sport, welcome friend
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Do people seriously think Kenta Maeda is a terrible pitcher? Were you all expecting him to be an ace?
>>77217436
Great argument. Here's your (You) that you desperately want.
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>>77217400
White Sox trading their #1 prospect for ten guys ages 27-32 who have never made it out of Low A

The more the better
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>>77217448
But the tweet said reliever
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I believe in u marineres
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>>77217433
>fraudulent

Ichiro? Matsui?

Nomo threw no hitters in both the NL and AL (his first fucking game with the Red Sox, lol)
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>>77217455
In a sense, the White Sox are relieving themselves all over their fans
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>>77217463
>nomo
calm down gramps
and what happened to your flag?
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>>77217448
Good deal he was a bust anyways ;^D
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>>77217463
Still the only pitcher to toss a no-no in Coors
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>>77217475
>Nomo is a fraud player
Underage detected.
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>>77217488
Thats not what that said
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>>77217131
That happened this year? I knew the White Sox were bad but holy shit. I just follow the Red Sox, I knew the White Sox were selling. They had to help the fucking Stankees. But damn thats embarrassing.
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>>77217487
So close to another too if it werent for melkman. Add that to his trade portfolio
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>>77217505
>I just follow the Red Sox
You'll probably be very pleased to know now then that those 2 pitchers responsible for that are now on the yankees. Yep.
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>>77217447
Kenta was an absolute workhorse last season. Started 32 games, with a 3.48 ERA. Solid numbers.

Kenta had a rough May, but since the start of June his ERA has dropped a point. It'll likely continue until he's in the 3.40s again.
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>>77217463
>Ichiro and Matsui

Congrats, except for Uehara, you named every Japanese signing that wasn't an absolute dumpster fire of dead money.

They're not bad. Just not worth stud contracts. The stupid NPB makes up bullshit like "gyroballs" and they hype their pitchers up. Until they play in the MLB, they should be thought of as unproven prospects.
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>>77217511
>yaks
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>>77217515
Darvish is a dumpster fire of dead money?

Also:
Have you seen Kenta Maeda's contract? It's an absolute steal. like 80% of the money is incentives based.
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>>77217487

Coors has only been around what 20 years?
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>>77217515
Iwakuma was very valuable for the Mariners for a while.
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>>77217515
fucking casual
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>>77217505
Why do you think their fans are all going insane on here?
They're redefining the word "bad".
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>>77217515
Yu Darvish and Hisashi Iwakuma aren't dumpster fire signings at all. Hell, even Masahiro Tanaka isn't a dumpster fire signing. Only one of them is an ace in the end, but that doesn't mean the other two signings are terrible. You're talking out of your ass.
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>>77217532
I had a Kaz figurine on my nightstand when I was little. It was the Dodger they chose, for some reason.

>it fell off the nightstand one night and the head fell off

>I would take the head off when he lost games and put it back on when he won
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>>77216699
Do you not know how to talk about standings?
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>>77216699
The Pie-Rats are winning the Central
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>>77217542
sounds fun

shoulda did the same with my robin one
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>>77217521

not like Darvish is HoF tier. Is he having any better of a season than some random latino prospect like Berrios or Carrasco?

No - the mystique of him being Japanese boosts his value. He's just got more hype and hot air.

We have yet to see a Japanese Scherzer/Sale/Kershaw/Johnson/Martinez in the majors. But they get paid like they are based entirely on hype.

>>77217532
no I don't remember your literal who Mariners pitcher - gee I wonder why? Truly a legend this fellow.

hot damn full weeb defense force out of nowhere kys
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>>77217536

Tanaka getting paid 22 mil for putting up a 5.05 era isn't a little retarded?

lol and I'm the one talking out of my ass.
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>>77217515
>>77217566
How do you feel about the Gooch?

He literally has 2 MLB rings and he contributed for them too.
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>>77217566
>2000 AL Rookie of the Year
>two time allstar
>best reliever in Mariners franchise history

You are only making yourself look more and more casual.
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>>77217575
He posted a 22 million ERA in 2014. That's about it though.

He wasn't bad last year but he wasn't 22 million good, either.

>tfw I'm glad my doyers lost the TanakaBowl and got Maeda instead for WAY less money
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>>77217589
seriously. look at this contract. it's 99% performance-based. There's basically no risk.

https://www.truebluela.com/2016/1/7/10733574/kenta-maeda-contract-details-dodgers-risk-bonuses

imo it is the future for all international signings.
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>>77217566
>not like Darvish is HoF tier. Is he having any better of a season than some random latino prospect like Berrios or Carrasco?
By Sabermetrics, Darvish is having a better season than both of them.
>No - the mystique of him being Japanese boosts his value. He's just got more hype and hot air.
Maybe he's just legitimately a good pitcher whose translation to the big leagues has been more successful than not at all?
>We have yet to see a Japanese Scherzer/Sale/Kershaw/Johnson/Martinez in the majors. But they get paid like they are based entirely on hype.
Now I agree with you that overpaying Japanese pitchers isn't right, but do you know that the NPB to MLB translation isn't for everyone? You're the one setting the bar high no one here currently is.
>no I don't remember your literal who Mariners pitcher - gee I wonder why? Truly a legend this fellow.
Underage detected.
>hot damn full weeb defense force out of nowhere kys
Moarpheus pls go
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>>77217603
>he has to request that his team mates stand show him affection

the samurai are truly dead
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>>77217579

I'm not a Mariners fan bro
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>>77217618
It was his first HR you dolt. Teammates always give silent treatment for their first HR in the majors.

He hit it on his very first at-bat in MLB, too.
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>>77217627
*first game

It was his 3rd at-bat, I think.
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lads I've forsaken my team and joined the Shohei Otani cult, when is he finally coming over??
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Post yfw Otani signs with the Rockies
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>>77217515
>Congrats, except for Uehara, you named every Japanese signing that wasn't an absolute dumpster fire of dead money.
Hiroki kuroda was great, tanakas been good, Iwakuma was great fro the mariners and even that faggot in LA is doing alright, calm down
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Kuroda, and Saito were pretty good for the Dodgers too.
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>>77217621
it doesn't matter if you are or not. he was a top 5 reliever during the early 2000's. If you don't at least have a vague idea of who he is, you are either a casual brainlet or underage.
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>>77217679
>mfw he pitches to a .50 ERA at coors and hits 80 dongs
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>>77217685
Kuroda was good for the yanks too he should have made the all star game that year he had a sub 3.00 ERA at the half but they gave it to chris "my fip and xfip are near and so is my ERA " till just because he was leading the league in "wins"
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>>77217615

You're using sabermetrics as a mystical voodoo word and not providing any actual evidence. By just plain ERA, Darvish's 3.4 is doing marginally better than Berrios 3.7 and Carrasco's 3.65.

By FIP (an actual sabermetric that looks at the pitcher's performance and tries to remove park factor/defense variables) Darvish's ERA is a 4.01 and Carrasco's is a 3.48.

Either way, all three pitchers are basically just an iota above league average in this 2017 juiced ball era.
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>>77217711
umm FIP is it's own stat, you don't derive an ERA from it
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I haven't looked at all the numbers yet, but an eyeball test shows that Japanese pitchers add at least 1.5 to their ERA from Nippon to MLB.

Going by Otani's performance last year, we can expect him to be a 3.00 ERA guy in MLB.
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>>77217687

or maybe you're an autist fanboy for your team's history? I'm 24 you faggot. We all liked Ichiro and Nomar and Jeter growing up in early 00s but I live in an Orioles telecast region. I have little interest in the rosters of teams that didn't achieve playoff results and this fellow is not a Hall of Famer.

Thanks for educating me, but no not really a name that has been passed around.

Any game 7 ALCS performances for Kuroda? no...
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>>77217725
>Fielding Independent Pitching (FIP) measures what a player’s ERA would look like over a given period of time if the pitcher were to have experienced league average results on balls in play and league average timing. Back in the early 2000s, research by Voros McCracken revealed that the amount of balls that fall in for hits against pitchers do not correlate well across seasons.

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/pitching/fip/
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>>77217750
nigger even I heard of the great kaz something and I started watching in 2015, what kind of fucking casual are you
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>>77217750
r/baseball might be more your speed.
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>>77217765
Started AND stopped. The drive-by shitposts are our lingering burden.
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>>77217761
huh, I thought it was an index with no attempt to tie it to ERA, everyone always writes "x player had an FIP of y" instead of "ERA by FIP"

im still right tho
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>>77217780

Maybe eat less paint chips and read a little slower.
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>>77216862
Yes but like the 2012 Marlins they burst into flames and the players got shuttled off to other teams
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>>77217740
Here you go.

Comparing the Nippon/MLB splits of 3 top Jap pitchers, here's a projection of what Otani's MLB ERA could look like.

>It's obviously not a big sample size, but the results were consistent from each of the 3 jap pitchers I picked
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>>77217750
>Any game 7 ALCS performances for Kuroda? no...
lmao
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Who else is gonna laugh really hard when the dodgers win 110 games and then go out in the NLDS again
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>>77217811
ERA Increase
>1.33
>1.23
>1.37

shit, it's like clockwork.
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>>77217811
Now do kuroda
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>>77217776
lol is this an orioles fan actually speaking to me? Your ""fans"" consisting of cringey handegg trips pulled a more magnificent vanishing act than a bunch of literal bandwagon leafs lmao

two months in and not a whisper to be heard, just like your fans' presence in late september gamethreads last year. your team's facing the team they're neck and neck with for the wildcard, and everyone in baltimore is watching literally THE WORST cuckegg team in history lol. sad. disgraceful
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>>77217206
The bullpen isn't the problem, it's the starting 5 that either have a decent enough outing for a QS minimum or give up a million runs and are left out there because it's the 2nd inning
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>>77217827

You banted at the wrong guy you fucking moron.
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>>77217839

as in, you literally fucked up in trying to pick up samefaggery. Multiple people are calling you a stupid idiot in this thread.
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>>77217839
well it felt good to type it out and surprisingly it's all true too
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>>77217846
wut
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>>77217820
Kuroda is an outlier: his Nippon ERA was 3.45 vs a MLB ERA of 3.55. He was just okay in both leagues. Not consistently exceptional in Japan.

I just did Kaz Ishii, though, and his increase was 1.32, in line with the others.
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>>77217853
>>77217818
>>77217811

If this holds true, there's no point in paying top dollar for a Jap pitcher unless they're in the 1-1.30 ERA range.

Because that would translate to a 2.30-2.60 career ERA in the majors.
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>>77217853
Do RockBear
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>>77217881
Iwakuma's splits are also less extreme.

His ERA increased by 0.17

Similar to Kuroda, he didn't appear to dominate the Nippon like Darvish et. al have, but he didn't see as much dropoff coming to the major leagues, either.

Maybe it's just the REALLY dominant Jap pitchers (sub 3 ERAs) that are affected that much by the change.
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Did you guys know that Ichiro Suzuki is named after an automobile?
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>>77217880
Difference with Otani is he has room to grow as he's only 23 and his NPB ERA (2.55 is career) would get lowered if he continues pitching this season.
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Go to hell Brewers. Of all the possible teams to collapse against...
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>it's unfair-enado: 3B has epic game

just think, while you sit there twirling your dick in your mom's basement for free, some people get paid real money to hack together aborted puns for mlb.com headlines
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>>77218142
The green part of this post is the best part of it
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>now you remember polish anon who became mets fan
I stopped watching because of work.
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>>77218085
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Will the Indians hold on to first?
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>>77218222
Really? All the other Mets fans stopped watching when the Yankees got good.
>joke's on them, the yankees suck now, too.
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>rags
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>>77217161
O's are winning m8. Bombston misses the playoffs yet again

Also CAPTCHA is being more retarded than usual today
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>>77219093
>Orange ducks coming in anything but 4th place.
>Orange Ducks winning anything
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>>77219112
Just watch bombston fag.
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>>77219119
Wrong
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>>77217627
>>77217636
desu he was always a little bit of a disappointment after that
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>>77219130
When is the last time New York won a series? Mid June?
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>>77219518
When is the last time Baltimore won the World Series? Early 80's?
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>>77219518
Lmao it's funny that you deflect that hard, because you were talking so much shit when the Orioles were in first (back in MAY LMAO). Now please, Mr. Old Gayerton, would you kindly tell me what place your team is in right now? I also request that you don't report me if I deeply offended you for your team being shit lmao.
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Girl on left=Red Sox
Girl on right=Yankees
Girl in the middle=Orioles
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>>77219762
What the fuck are you trying to accomplish with this post you fucking faggot? When I see the girl on the left, I see a girl who has syphilis and get's pregnant once every year. Do you see how she's holding her belly? She's trying to tell you something there faggot. She trying to hide what's inside. The girl on the right just looks like a dumb bimbo. "Haha, look at me! Don't ever focus on my personality, I have big boobs!!!!" Is that really want you want in life? Big boobs with no substance? Meanwhile, the girl in the middle sits there humbly, patient, and happy. She has a slight smurk on her face because she knows she has to play the games of her slutty friends. She clearly has the best personality of the group, and she probably the least slutty. The problem is, the seudo intellectuals on this board, much like yourself, don't seem to realize that there is more to women than their chests. In your rabid desire to shit talk the Orioles, you actually made us look better. We are the cute, loyal, girl-next-door who will win everyone over in the end. Meanwhile, the Red Sox and Yankees get old and pregnant and never do anything with their lives. Fuck you.
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>>77217350
>bullpen has been surprsingly good, especially for the past month
>you only have 2 real starters, desperately need anything
>go after another reliever
HURHUHUDUURRRDHUUURR

I fucking hate this team, at least the rebuild starts next year.

Only 10 more years for a wild card birth M's!
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>Athletic to sign Chris Carter
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BILLY BEANE IS AT IT AGAIN.
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>>77219762
It's probably just a random pic but on the off chance it isn't : Any sauce on this?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tknXPeWfPN8
>Tyler Clippard on being traded
>"Yeah, I'm really surprised"
Oh, are you, you fucking faggot? You thought that giving up 234 runs every outing, and being one of the biggest reasons for the Yankees downfall this side of Betances and Chapman was good enough for the team to want to keep you?
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Never a better time
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I wish they fired this guy before 2015.

What a fucking dumpster fire he left the team in. I hope his ass gets booed next time he shows his fat greek face in Toronto.

He must be fitting right in with the other scumbags in LA.
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>>77216752
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>>77219914
Only a Manlet would defend a titlet
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Mookie Betts is on pace for 42 defensive runs saved, which would tie Kiermaier's 2015 for the most since the stat has been tracked (2003)
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>>77219762
Left= dodgers
Right= dodgers
Middle= rest of mlb
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How pissed would Manfred be if the completely possibly scenario of a Rays-Diamondbacks World Series happens?
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>>77220521
>2 expansion teams from the same year make the series

I dont think he would have a problem with it
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>Sources: #Astros, #Brewers, #RedSox among teams showing continued interest in #Tigers reliever Justin Wilson. @MLB @MLBNetwork

Derek Fisher, Lewis Brinson, Rafael Devers
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>>77220642
Delusional, Delusional, and Delusional
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>>77220703
Your not a GM.
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Fuckin' Mahtook. Still RIP Tigers +_+ for now
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>>77220727
If not being delusional makes me not a GM, then you are absolutely correct.
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>>77220727>>77220642
Al Avila would be stupid not to trade with Dombrowski. Boston would certainly give them something of quality.
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>>77217765
>admitting that you were a part of the cancer that was lifelong Blue Jays fans since August 2015
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>>77221084
kek
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>/mlb/ constantly shits on White Sox and Mariners fans for their team being shitty
>Will bitch and moan whenever those fans get uppity once their team gets good
I hate the "we shitpost so much now that we're good because we used to get made fun when we were bad" meme because most of the time the fans shitposting the most are lifelongers that didn't start watching until that season, therefore never actually experienced getting made fun of for years. However, White Sox and Mariners fans actually have a bone to pick with you guys. Particularly White Sox fans, since you all bully them the most, and they have a higher likelihood of becoming good in the near future. You reap what you sow, and /mlb/ is going to be bitching about how bad Mariners and White Sox fans are in a few years.
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>>77221136
>gets good
>whos and meminers

Your point is a tired one. We saw this with the Royals and Cubs when they used to be laughingstocks and now both those fanbases are the worst mistakes on earth.
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>>77221136
The White Sox are going to be fucking disgusting maybe for the next ten years.
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>>77218172
thanks bruh
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>>77221171
And leafs definitely don't forget the leafs

>Blue Jays didn't make the postseason for 23 straight years
>then when they made 2 back to back ALCS's including the one with le bat flip man suddenly everyone in the US was calling for a genocide on canada
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>>77219950
Billy Beane isn't even their GM lad.
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>>77221221
>hop on 4chan to shitpost for a bit before work
>now terrified for the rest of the day
Thanks Google
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>>77221171
Royals fans and Cubs fans were almost non-existent on this board before they became good though. Mariners fans and White Sox fans are consistently on this board and have gamethreads all the time.
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>>77221136
No matter how shitposty the whos fans are going to be due to a couple of years of "bullying" if they get good, they will still never match up to the 108 years of pent up rage and frustration that is cusb fans that infested and nearly completely destroyed this board.
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>>77221270
Cubs fans didn't even exist until 2015. None of them truly had pent of frustration, they were just hopping on the opportunity of getting a moment of glory.
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>>77221084
>what is irony

ive been watching long enough to know kuroka or whatever his name was, get on my level
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>>77221292
Yup
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>>77221321
Bet you never saw DiceKs first start
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>>77221321
Roy Hallawho? "No shit we had Roger Clemens?"
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>>77221136
If you're taking 4chan seriously enough to build up grudges you need to take a break from browsing it.
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>>77221334
When I went to Japan earlier this year I saw that they still very much remember and loved DiceK
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>>77221349
>"No shit we had Roger Clemens?"

that was a pretty big shock desu
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>>77220812
After that JD Martinez trade, I'm not confident he can make a good trade.

Tigers need to dump him after this season.
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>>77221418
He did win the WS. Red Sox have actually had several Japs win hardware with them
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>>77221434
He's a one season rental for a team going for a wild card because their division is already set. What did you expect?
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>>77221490
Oh man memories of Godzilla and I'm not even a yankees fan
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>>77221499
Not a Tiggers fan, but he was the best rental bat on the market. Surely a competent GM could have gotten more than 3 prospects from a terrible farm system that aren't even top 3 in that system.
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>>77221548
he's a rental bat who's only once played a full season, what do you expect? 4 top 4 prospects from a top 4 farm system?
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>>77221596
>hurr there are only two options
You realize it can still be a bad trade even if a player's value isn't super high, right? Exaggerating to this extent makes you look stupid.
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>>77221136
Something's wrong with whos fans because they want to win despite being one of the worst teams in the league.
They were here crying last night about losing to the best team in baseball going on an 11 game tear. Like what the fuck did they think was going to happen?
They're just not right in the head.
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So who wants Donaldson?
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>>77221596
100 HR's in 3 and a half seasons with the Tigers? "Once played a full season"? I expect a good fucking prospect for the best rental bat in the market.
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>>77217092
>insufferable twats who hate winning
>>77221669
>Something's wrong with whos fans because they want to win
Which is it /mlb/
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>>77221136
>arcade league people problems
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>The top prospect received in the Martinez trade is only #11 in the Tigers system
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>>77221749
Welcome to /sp/
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>>77221785
>Al Avila

Shitty GM.
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>>77221774
Forgetting the Phillies?

Except one time they were elite (FOUR ACES) not too long ago so maybe their fans don't feel it as much as whos and definitely not as much as Seattle.
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>>77221653
nothing makes it a bad trade other than a perceived lack of return. how do you even quantify the value of prospects? "lol they're just shit". 3 lottery tickets for a guy you lose in 6 months anyway is fine, what could've Avila done better? gone for a different deal where he gets a few slightly better rated prospects? that means fuck all

tiggs FO was probably scouting the guys down in arizona, liked what they saw, and figured this deal is good to take now before JD's value tanks and/or they have to trade for unknowns at the deadline. it's more than just "oh JD's worth more than these vaguely rated prospects, he should fetch more, slightly better rated prospects"
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>"We should have a team meeting on that. Are we waving or what? For singles, are we waving? What about doubles? When I get on first, I'm just happy I got to first. Now I have to worry about waving and thinking about all this stuff."
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>>77221879
>how do you even quantify the value of prospects?
...are you being serious? do you really think there isn't a different between guys like gleyber torres and guys like the ones traded for martinez?
>what could've Avila done better? gone for a different deal where he gets a few slightly better rated prospects?
"what could the GM done, gotten better value for this player? that means fuck all!"
for your sake i really hope this is a joke, man. fucking canadians
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>>77221709
you'll get lottery tickets for rental bats and you'll be fucking happy with it because you're not trading with the cubs hell-bent on breaking the curse

gleyber torres for half a season of chapman is so fucking retarded, even if he had been immaculate, what makes you think anyone's going to give up anything concrete for a fucking rental bat, not even a pitcher?
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>>77221917
Well he did admit to just starting watching baseball in 2015
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>>77221917
great arguments retard. even highly rated prospects don't necessarily make the majors. a 30% better rated prospect is not worth 30% more. this is basic as fuck
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>>77221957
>a more highly rated prospect is not worth more because sometimes they don't make the majors!
you seriously can't be this retarded lmao.

so far you've admitted to thinking all prospects are a crapshoot, that prospect rankings don't matter, and that GMs shouldn't try and get higher valued guys. any other tidbits of canadian baseball wisdom you wanna share, peter gammons?
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>>77221882
What's this
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Daily reminder that the golden boy Alex Anthopolous is entirely to blame for this collapse.

Shatkins were right to show him the door, should have done it a lot sooner and saved our prospects
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>>77222056
but but STEVE PEARCE
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>>77222006
wow, marvelous job of completely misconstruing everything and throwing it all into fallacy

you're saying "LOL THIS IS A TERRIBLE TRADE BECAUSE AVILA COULD'VE GOTTEN SO MUCH MORE IN DEFINITE QUANTIFIABLE VALUE" and I'm saying he made a business decision that couldn't have been much improved on because prospects don't have a concrete value, they have a perceived one and trying to push another team to get slightly better prospects according to whoever the fucks ratings is retarded when you already have a clear opportunity to secure a trade with prospects you yourself have almost certainly scouted recently (a team isn't going to trade for prospects ten days before the deadline unless they scout them themselves).

I know business and the real world is hard to understand, but the great thing is there's nothing to stop you from shouting "THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE ARE DUMB" and feeling good about yourself
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>>77221541
He was God-like in game 6 of that series
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>>77222120
>getting better prospects isn't better because I say so
fuck off already mate
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> The absolute shanty state of Milwaukee

How shook are the pooers that > us cubbies are coming
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Guys relax, the Mariners didn't fuck this trade up. The problem would have been if >we traded O'Neill and/or Neidert. Getting at least an extra bullpen piece for a prospect that hasn't really shown that much promise in the minors (Hernandez) along with 3 literally whos as far as I'm concerned isn't a runaway loss. Chill.
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>>77222131
you'll get it some day anon
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>>77222146
(You)
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Newbie watching their first regular season of baseball here. Does the MLB have the toughest schedule for teams? It seems like they play every single day and move on to other series'/cities without any rest.
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>>77221136
Would rather stick by a bad team until they get good over hopping from bandwagon to bandwagon, which is what almost half of /mlb/ currently does.
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>>77222154
thanks, I think we learned something today
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Its amazing how Alex got out scot free from all this. Like he knew this was coming. He got away with murdering this club and dumbass bandwagoners cheered him for it. The guy should get his passport revoked.

>muh playoffs! Muh excitement and historic memories!

Fuck off. FUCK OFF. Dont ever fucking come back you little shit. I fucking hate what you did to my Jays. Fuck you.
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>>77222172
I hope you learned never to post your shit opinions here again, but other than that all I learned is that the "lifelong Canadian" meme is actually a real thing. Truly incredible how little some people know.
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"The White Sox have 17 failed sacrifice bunt attempts in 2017.

Half the remaining American League teams haven't even attempted more than 17."

I mean how much more evidence can there be that they are literally and possibly even unethically purposely and intentionally throwing games. Black Sox 2.0?
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>>77222193
wow man, you should channel that fury into actually countering the arguments you have a sneaking suspicion are right
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>>77222209
What exactly is there to counter? You honestly think that GMs don't want to acquire better prospects because despite thinking that prospects are lotttery tickets, you think players with a higher chance of succeeding don't exist or something. I'm not going to spend my time explaining something so fundamental about baseball to someone who's just going to smugly shit himself through text again.
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>Sources: While #Astros are in talks with #Athletics on Sonny Gray, they remain interested in Justin Verlander/Justin Wilson deal w/ Detroit.

:')
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>>77222277
VERY nice digits.
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>>77222200
no. just no. they just suck THAT badly. nothing to investigate here
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>>77222231
you honestly think GMs are going to wait and wait and wait til they can find the absolute best deal in terms of aggregate mlb.com prospect rankings? you've never had a single business decision to make in your life so you don't know what it means to okay a deal that might not be absolutely 100% optimal, but you have to make it in terms of security and opportunity.

major league teams don't just look at baseball america and make trades based on their fucking ratings. they go and scout dudes they've been thinking of doing a deal for for a while. they evidently think the arizona prospects they traded for are worth 4 months of JD, and they're not going to wait around for an imaginary, POTENTIAL better deal that might never happen, in the process losing the opportunity to trade with arizona after they moved on to steve pearce.

but LOL AVILA IS DUMB HE COULDVE GOTTEN MORE

its okay man, baby steps, you'll get it
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1stros
get both Justins please
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>>77222312
>Here I'm going to smugly miss the point again and tell you that a deal was good because I somehow know that it was the only trade offer and that they HAD to trade with Arizona

But yeah, you're REALLY smart and probably have lots of money, so we should listen to you. Yay for Canadian economics!
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>>77222200
No shit they're throwing games
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>>77222338
>oh they had other trade offers! I know! and they were definitely better! someone was giving up a torres for a rental bat! avila is really dumb lol!

thanks for your input champ
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>>77219762
accurate
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>>77222366
>heh, this anon doesn't know how MLB GMing really works. only i am privy to such inner-workings, only i understand that GMs don't actually want good prospects. they want prospects that are worse. why can't everyone be as enlightened as me?
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>>77222403
are you arguing against yourself lol? I'm not sure what this is anymore. you suddenly backpedal from your "the deal was shit" argument and go into full damage control saying by there were definitely better offers instead, and now you're saying I'm the one with secret insider info

this was fun man, and I think you learned something even if it's hard to admit you're floundering wrong
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>lifelong Jays fan since 2015 thinks GM's are supposed to make shitty trades at the deadline, because that's what he's experienced his entire fandom
Really makes you think.
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>white sox fans aren't fagg--
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>Only 1 1/2 games behind the Brewers
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>>77222485
it's july 20th and that's exactly what I was arguing against. trading for prospects you've scouted before the deadline is definitely better than going through baseball prospectus on deadline night and choosing the best offer

you'll make GM one day champ, I believe in you
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>>77222516
Those are players not fans
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>>77222338
He's right though. Are you a scout for a big league team? I've briefly worked for a major league team's scouting department and I can tell you that BR's rankings are largely just speculation.
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>>77222567
>trading for prospects you've scouted before the deadline is definitely better than going through baseball prospectus on deadline night and choosing the best offer
You realize you can trade for prospects at the deadline, and still have scouted them, right? The Yankees scouts were busy as hell last year, and they managed to turn two late relievers, a geriatric DH, and a Tommy John survivor into one of the best farm systems in baseball. Just because you wait until the deadline doesn't mean you're unprepared.
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Someone turn the stove back on. It's getting cold and boring in here.
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>>77222485
That's not what he was saying.
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>Reds pitching
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>>77222649
You didnt see the mariners trade?
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>Lucas Duda hits another home run

Pull the trigger, Cashman
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>>77222616
for sure, but doesn't it add a degree of confidence when you trade for them ten days beforehand? they think they won't get considerably better than the guys they scouted, so they have to strike the deal before arizona moves on to their other options.

the yankees last year aren't a very good example considering scouting wasn't a big part of turning a rental reliever over for gleyber torres. cusb overpaid hysterically, it's a different situation entirely
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>>77222664
It's nothing too significant really.
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>>77222669
>pull the trigger after trading the entire farm for Todd Frazier
You truly are retarded
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>>77222708
Frazier is playing 3B in New York

>the entire farm
>Rutherford and randoms
lel
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>>77222683
I'm not the original guy you were arguing with, and I'm just now reading what led up to all of this, so I didn't have the context when I replied to you. I thought you were saying that you should trade before the deadline rather than at it, because you'd be more prepared. My bad. Carry on with your day.
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>>77222731
Isn't Headley moving over to first? Why would they want to make Headley a bench player, unless the Mets were willingly to take him?
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>>77222749
Headley would be an immediate upgrade over any of our third basemen. Duda for a mid-level prospect and Headley is a good trade for both teams.
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Are the Giants, dare I say, back?
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>>77222758
>getting rid of Headley
YES PLEASE
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>>77222735
not necessarily I guess. I suppose it's a question of are you prepared enough to afford a trade before the deadline

fair enough, it's kinda questionable as to what Avila/his scouts saw in those prospects that would make them not want to hold off for better offers for the best rental bat on the market in the next ten days. but, aside from the usual value tankers like JD getting hurt or going on a terrible slump, trades in the upcoming days could completely crash his market as well, so I don't think it's a terrible deal assuming the tiggs FO really believes it can make something out of those prospects
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>>77221136
Will probably just keep posting anime in every thread desu
But your post assumes the Mariners will eventually be good
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>>77222773
Dyson has saved them. By this time next week they may leapfrog the dads.
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>>77222860
They could be if they had sold instead of whatever the fuck theyre doing now. But they are 1.5 games out of a WC and did just beat the Astros so they may be onto something here.
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>>77222898
Phelps is the missing piece for a ring
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>>77222848
gonna have to be a good prospect tho

mest-cards
>>77222857
>>77222857
>>77222857
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Red Sox vs Blue Jays
>>77223065
>>77223065
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I'm willing to put in the autism for this game, what do you think of this year's edition
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>>77223127
probably the same spreadsheet simulator as every other year that's only really fun when you just let it sim for 20 years and then go through the JUSTs
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>>77216896
>Florida to increase interest
Florida shouldn't have any professional sports.
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>>77223127
You should make a league of all Kershaws and see what happens. It'll be weird to see who wins the Series. I bet every postseason game is a choke job
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>>77223395
reminds me of that all Adam Dunn league
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>Teams are attacking players recently traded
they went after Martinez and Fraizer. watch your recently acquired assets, teams
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>>77223970
What about choKershaw?
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>>77223757
jokes on them our recently acquired assets are all in the minors!
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BUT IN THE END IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER
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Thank you bases Buccos
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CRAWLING IN MY SKIN
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>>77224232
Fuck, dude
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This is your reminder that Jim Johnson is unironically the best reliever on the market.
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>Cordinols defense
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>METHINALS

LMAO
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>MLBAM (MLB Advanced Media) is a full service solutions provider delivering world-class digital experiences for over ten years and distributing content through all forms of interactive media.
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Are we back
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>>77224774
>Loss awarded to R.A. Dickey
Yeah totally
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>>77224756
hes just that out
never question Gameday
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>>77224638
This is your reminder that you are unironically retarded
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>this week
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>>77224843
>This week
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>>77224811
Come home kid rock
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>>77224796
i love gameday
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We're tanking and we're dragging the methinals along with us.
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>>77224843
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>>77224866
Wait until you get blacked again by >us
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>>77224796
Webm where?
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>>77224796
Joe West is a strong guy, damn
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>>77224870
I'll do Reed for Dalbec and an arm
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>>77225083
>989 American Baseball """"""""fans"""""""

More like bandwagon scums
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>>77225083
>cubs are the most liked
>>77225103
>And 5th most hated
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>the Broors

It was fun, lads
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>>77225083
>mest
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>>77225103
>hating a team that hasn't been relevant in years
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>>77225143
why is australia so based?
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>>77225143
>straya hating the doyers
lel
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>>77225143
>every continent
>no Antarctica
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What did Trevor Rosenthal mean by this?
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>>77225198
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>>77225198
What did Yoenis "Most overrated player in baseball" Cespedes mean by this?
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>>77225198
he was taking pity on the mests and gifting them a pathetic win
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>>77225230
He's clearly honoring Chester you insensitive fuck
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>>77221136
>White Sox fans getting uppidity
Anon, last year when the Whos were leading the AL Central for a portion of early baseball in 2016, the Whos fan themselves bullied any whos fans that were optimistic.

/mlb/ doesn't have to bitch and moan about them getting uppidity because whos fan do it on their own.
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>>77225198
>Mets making the Cardinals collapse so they trade us Wacha
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>>77225247
>Honoring a coward to took the woman's way out
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>>77225258
>Willingly losing a trade like that
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>>77225235
hi, Trevor!
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>>77225083
>>77225103

WITH BOTH OF THESE CHARTS COMBINED ITS OBVIOUS THE ROYALS ARE THE MOST LIKABLE TEAM IN BASEBALL

R O Y A L S
O
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A
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>>77225254
I called people out in 2012 for being pessimistic when we were ahead for the majority of the season. I learned a lesson that year.
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LMAO MF 4 GAME SWEEP
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>>77225279
>Implying Headleyfor Wacha straight-up would be a loss for the Yankees
If the Cardinals play their cards right, we may even throw in Ellsbury!
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>>77225337
Cardinals don't need a corner infielder
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Good night Sewers.
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>>77225254
and they were right in the end lol
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>>77225103
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>>77225359
Headley and Ellsbury both have had 30 home runs season though! They were both MVP candidates at some point in the last decade too! Why would you want to miss out on that?
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>>77225372
>download (4)
>4 game sweep

pottery
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If the broors keep losing we won't even have keep winning to make it to first
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>>77225435
Who's "we"?
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This is what Jackie Robinson and Doctor King died for.

They would be proud.
>>
Going to the Royals game tonight, ask me anything.
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>Create a baseball league
>4 teams are the Giants
Why were the owners of Negro National League teams so devoid of creativity?
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>>77225461
What if you hit a walk-off bomb?
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>>77225500
i would probably shit my pants honestly.
how would i hit a walk off bomb if im in the stands
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>>77225524
>how would i hit a walk off bomb if im in the stands
t. no strength manlet
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>>77225499
it was a simpler time
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>yankees have judge
>red sox have betts
>orioles have machado
>jays have justin smoak

what a time to be alive my friends
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>>77225568
>Orioles have Machado
Not for long
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>>77225568
One of those things is not like the other.
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>>77225574
Yeah Manny Machado sucks dick this year
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>>77225582
That he does
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>>77225568
what do the Montreal Rays have?
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>>77225610
Eva Longoria
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>>77225230
He hits well and gets injured often. I don't think he has any talk on here at all besides that small arguement over whether the Fulmer for Cespedes trade was worth it for the Mets. I don't see how he is overrated considering this.
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>>77225610
All-Star Starter Corey Dickerson
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>>77225643
don't you mean all-star starter and home run derby champion logan morrison?
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>>77224638
We don't say that name here
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>>77225667
Do you think LoMo wanted to kys himself when Gary Sanchez eliminated John Carlo?
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>>77225667
>Mike Moustakas, Gary Sanchez, and Miguel Sano made it over LoMo
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>>77225315
they were right then too
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>>77225756
I know, that's what I mean. That's why I was among those who told people not to get ahead of themselves last year.
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>>77225698
>>77225686
it's funny because you'd think the all star game should prominently feature great players playing for literally who teams, but instead we get the usual big market parade

fan voting was a terrible mistake, at least it got Michael fucking Saunders an all star accolade lmao
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>>77225881
Put some respek on Bryan LaHair's name
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>>77225881
>fan voting was a terrible mistake
It's hilarious when fans stuff the vote one year, and then don't get any position players in the next year though (see: Cubs fans)
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>>77225953
>Last Game: October 3, 2012 (Age 29-333d) vs. HOU 5 AB, 2 H, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 0 SB
>gets two hits and a dinger and is never seen in the mlb again

hell happened to him in the offseason
>>
Serious question to statfags:

How can you defend KATOH when it was super down on megastars like Carlos Correa?
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>Babe Ruth would be a career .140 player today
>Carlos Pena would hit 1,250 home runs in the 1910s and 1920s
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>>77226043
Wrong. One of the best ways to determine how good a player will be is how well they control the strikezone. Babe Ruth led the league in walks many times, and has a career OBP well over .400
>b-but muh black people
Babe Ruth, and other stars at the time played integrated games all the time during the offseason, and never missed a beat.
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>>77226092
>Walking and hitting are the same thing
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>>77226104
>able to not swing at bad pitches, and already showing that you're able to make good contact with pitches in the zone
>can even do this in integrated leagues
>but it doesn't count because conditions I deem fair.
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>>77226133
Name a single pitcher from that era that threw harder than RA Dickey.

Protip: You can't, because Walter Johnson, the hardest throwing player from that era threw an 82 MPH fastball
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Reminder that 1924 was the last time Washington DC won a World Series.
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>>77226147
>Walter Johnson, the hardest throwing player from that era threw an 82 MPH fastball
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>>77226212
Yes you put a meme arrow in front of a fact
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>>77226219
In 1917, a Bridgeport, Connecticut munitions laboratory recorded Johnson's fastball at 134 feet per second, which is equal to 91.36 miles per hour (147.03 km/h)
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>>77226226
>1917 recording technology
wildly inaccurate
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>>77226230
So how do you know it was 82 MPH then, dipshit? I cited a source at least.
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>>77226240
>>77226240
new
>>77226240
>>77226240
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>>77226226

>Hardest pitch from the hardest-throwing guy of his era was 91 mph
>People still unironically take pre-modern players seriously
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>>77226241
pitching mechanics of the time
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