>>65465930 You could say both the early strip sack and the second were both results of refball. The obvious blown call where they didn't overturn the incompletion and the time the picked up the flag for defensive holding. Also all of the bogus panther calls and then the ignored roughing the passer penalties all game.
>>65466126 Ball moved all over the place as he rolled over so they needed to declare "no the ball never came close to touching the ground" which the ref pussy'd out and just called it "stands". I don't think he had is hand under it at all.
>>65466529 Just notice when the Panthers receiver complained about not getting PI near the end of the game. The commentators saw his frustration, showed a replay, and took his side. However, that wasn't being called either way all game -- several times Broncos receivers got held up before the ball came, got up, and went back to the huddle. Nobody complained, so the commentators left it alone, and nobody bitches because Phil Simms didn't mention it.
>>65467037 You can't even point out one missed call in this game. That no catch was a correct call. The ball hit the ground and he lost possession. I haven't even mentioned at least three (3) intentional groundings missed on Cam.
First off, Talib should have been ejected. It was a bad facemask, then an attempt late after the whistle to injure.
That first challenge was a catch, the next play was a third and long, leading to a fumble recovery touchdown instead of continuing the carolina drive (+7, lost a challenge flag, lost a timeout)
The second challenge shouldn't have been necessary (lost the first one)
Broncos were given excellent breaks multiple times, including that hold on the fourth and goal that would have been short, but instead got a field goal (+3)
And I believe the final fumble was a product of Carolina trailing and Denver being allowed the ability to be in prevent D
I will not take anything away from the Denver defense. Their shit is unbelievably solid. Von Miller is a freak. But the Denver offense was helped along all night. Bullshit defensive holding call in the end zone on a failed 3rd down pass that was fucking already out (if the ball is out at time of contact, it is pass interference), but pass interference wouldn't have been called, due to it being uncatchable (+7, but actually +4, because they would have kicked a field goal).
So all in all, the Broncos Defense deserved a win. The refs deserve all the credit going to the offense. But Peyton gets what I think is an un-earned ring. But I guess this one makes up for all the ones he never got due to Brady blowing him the fuck out while he was still a babby horse.
>>65462193 the ground pushed it into his gut you fucking idiot. the ground made the catch for him, thus why it isn't a catch are we gonna have to deal with panther's fans being like the seahawks, where they don't understand the basic concepts of the game they're watching
>>65467335 >First off, Talib should have been ejected. It was a bad facemask, then an attempt late after the whistle to injure. That's a stretch. Who gets ejected for whiffing and grabbing a handful of facemask?
>That first challenge was a catch, the next play was a third and long, leading to a fumble recovery touchdown instead of continuing the carolina drive (+7, lost a challenge flag, lost a timeout) Objectively was not a catch, as the ground knocked the ball from his possession. This was common knowledge until the last couple of years
>The second challenge shouldn't have been necessary (lost the first one) Are you complaining that they fixed a miss call with a challenge? That's what they're for.
>And I believe the final fumble was a product of Carolina trailing and Denver being allowed the ability to be in prevent D Not a missed call.
>I will not take anything away from the Denver defense. Their shit is unbelievably solid. Von Miller is a freak. But the Denver offense was helped along all night. Bullshit defensive holding call in the end zone on a failed 3rd down pass that was fucking already out (if the ball is out at time of contact, it is pass interference), but pass interference wouldn't have been called, due to it being uncatchable (+7, but actually +4, because they would have kicked a field goal). He wrapped his arms around the receiver on his break. This is holding, catchable or not.
>>65467683 The Talib facemask was intentional and malicious. He oh so obviously aimed for the facemask and ripped as he went to the ground. He wanted to knock that player out for the game. Then and there. And I'm not surprised, Talib is easily as dirty, if not more dirty than Burfict.
>objectively Pretty much proves you have no grounds to stand on so you throw a meme infront of your sentence.
Sure, one iffy holding call with more contact from Thomas than Norman on the play. When the Broncos had a holding call picked up that everyone in the stadium thought should have been called.
Unless the ref himself is coming over and knocking the ball out of your hand or failing to whistle the play dead and allowing the defense to knock it out after the play and counting it, it's irrelevant.
How many teams win games in which their QB fumbles within their 10 twice? Its inexcusable.
>>65467892 >what is a complete catch in the NFL? secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
he did not secure it. the ground pushed it into his stomach, until then the ball was NOT in his complete control. sorry you've been watching this game for 2 months
>>65468014 >the game was lost intentionally by someone >that person throws a literal hissy fit and makes himself out to be the biggest crybaby in the entire league sure okay why not
>>65467683 >grabbing a handful of facemask? And then dragging him out of bounds, the whistle blows, and then he twists, tackling via facemask, rough, late, and out of bounds. It was blatant. It was disgraceful. And it should have been an ejection.
>Objectively was not a catch, as the ground knocked the ball from his possession. This was common knowledge until the last couple of years He had his hand under the ball as he initially hit the ground, and then as he rolled over, the ball contacted the ground. I didn't think the ground aided the catch, the rules shill hired by CBS thought the same, but the refs didn't. It will be discussed for a while.
>Are you complaining that they fixed a miss call with a challenge? That's what they're for. But he had to use his final challenge for what should have been a routine booth review. And even though he won the challenge, he ran out of challenges. Luckily, none were needed afterwards.
>Not a missed call. Still a product of previous missed calls.
>He wrapped his arms around the receiver on his break. This is holding, catchable or not. But holding, while the ball is out, is PI. But PI is ignored if the ball is uncatchable. That is my argument.
The bobble rule does not exist as he was in bounds. The ball never touched the ground therefor it was live during the entire play. The ball then ends in the posession of the reciever when the reciever was downed. Sounds like a catch to me.
It's called an act, he still makes 20 million at the end of year, NFL gets it narrative and jersey sales so it doesn't give a flying fuck
This game was just Vegas, get over it, how can you argue that this game was authentic when Cam was literally throwing to nobody half the fucking time and letting the other team just win, when something was afoul there were the refs
>>65468378 He knew he had the facemask. He knew the player was already out of bounds. And he knew that twisting him down would likely injure the other player. It was a late hit, facemask, out of bounds, with malicious intent. All he got was a 1 yard penalization, and likely a fine next week.
>>65468378 I dissagree on everything your dumbass said. The ball never touches the fucking ground. There for the ball is still live and as he was inbounds he does not need control until the very end of the play.
And as I said, the refs ignored 10+ penalties on the Broncos. From roughing the passer, to offensive and defensive holding, to PI, to unnecessary roughness from a late hit.
>>65468343 the rules are that the player must have complete control before hitting the ground. he didn't.
turn on ESPN tomorrow night and watch professionals dissect it and tell you how wrong you are. Maybe it SHOULD be a catch, but by the current rules it's NOT.
>>65468497 why the fuck would he tarnish his image (his entire worth outside of NFL checks) to make a couple bills? you're so delusional it's funny he could throw the game any manner of ways as a QB. implying he'd throw it like that is retarded.
>>65468588 Watch every professional on ESPN explain how stupid you are all week, i'm not gonna try to
>>65468617 There's footage of the play. The ball rolls on the ground. Just because his hand is touching part of it doesn't invalidate that unless he maintains control, and he doesn't. How fucking dense are you.
>>65468621 >>65468704 >>65468768 it's okay, the normal population is full of dipshits like you. they'll have to explain it like they're talking to toddlers all week. try to pick some of it up, and just look at your phone when they use big boys words
>>65468652 >why would would he tarnish his image to make 20 million?! He's making 20 million and he's not going to lose any sponsors for "being emotional about a loss"
You're the fucking delusional one that thinks the NFL isn't just the WWE at this point
maybe not all the games, but playoffs have proven to be so fucking rigged, I mean seriously watch the game, Cam literally jumped away from the fumbled ball for the Broncos to get the recovery, 4 guys let a returner run 50+ yards
>>65468804 >that was plausibly within the run of play Jesus Christ. You are literally unwilling to look objectively at the game. It was a facemask initially. He drug the ball carrier out of bounds by the facemask. Normally, players would consider this the end of the play, relenting their illegal action. But Talib was pissed that he got fucking used, so he twisted the ball carrier down late, out of bounds, via facemask, with no other PLAUSIBLE reason other than an obvious attempt to injure his opponent.
If Talib was on the Pats still, and did that exact thing, he would have been ejected, crucified by the media, and then Brady would be accused of collaborating with him.
>>65469086 He reached out to tackle him and got stiff armed. The stiff arm caused his arm to be farther back and miss its intended target, thus grabbing facemask. Nobody has ever been ejected for that.
>>65469200 IT wasn't the initial facemask, you illiterate dipshit. It was the violent twisting, seconds after the start of the facemask, that makes it unexcusably unsafe. Talib was visibly upset, meaning he likely intended to injure the other player using means outside a reasonable level of play. The facemask means fuckall if that was all he did, but he then VIOLENTLY TWISTED the ball carrier after he already drug him out of bounds.
>>65469073 no, i just don't have the ability to show you the play in slow motion and explain it frame by frame, then cite the rules and have someone who had a hand in writing the rules explain it to you. I can just laugh and assume that when you finally realize you're retarded you'll be on here like me calling everyone else stupid who ever thought it was a catch
>>65469371 First, the better team didn't win. Other than "muh #1 defense" the Panthers BTFO out of the Broncos in every statistic. And you seriously don't believe that Goodell gave these refs a bonus to give "The Sherrif" SB50 at the end of his career?
>>65469497 You seriously don't believe Talib has no intentions of harming the other player?! The nigger tried to gouge someone's eye out on national television! He's responsible for multiple concussions! He is the definition of a disgusting player!
>>65469402 >I'm a Patsfag actually Same here, you incompetent moron.
Talib was a fucking liability, and it showed tonight. Anything less than four games and $25k means the league is full of shit when they say they give a fuck about player safety.
Talib was visibly upset after the play, so I know he was pissed, and this latest product of his impotent rage leads me to think he cannot control himself. Pacman was banned for years because of shit like this.
You're the lowest form of human life if you shitpost like this. You really are going to blame a 24-10 game on refs? Really? Yeah I get that that catch call was crap, but that doesn't excuse not coming back from a 3-0 deficit. All of that game was fine, the minor hiccups didn't detract from the fact that the Denver Defense stumped Cam.
You're taking the lowest excuse to get out of it. Assuming a ref rigged a game is total shit. You're too scared to face the truth that the Broncos outplayed the Panthers.
>>65469752 I'm not even a Panthers fan. It's SO obvious that they wanted to make this easy on Peyton. Having his image tainted by a young black player that represents everything Goodell hates is something the NFL had to prevent as much as possible.
>>65470471 >Bountygate wasn't a thing >Players weren't fined tens of thousands of dollars for just touching the QB's heads >Hard-hitting DB's aren't totally fucking useless now due to defenseless receiver rules
>>65470509 Man I'm so neutral to this, I'm an Eagles fan. Even if you don't think it touched the ground, they ruled it incomplete... so the replay would have to show that it, without a shadow of a doubt, did not touch the ground. You can clearly see the nose of the ball touch the ground in the replay. You say it never touched the ground but what you should be saying as that you didn't see it touch the ground.
>>65470763 It touched the ground and he didn't have control of it. He didn't have control basically until he was standing up. The ball was rolling around in his arms (and hit the ground) until he stood up. That is not a catch by any interpretation of the NFL's rules. Are you sure YOU understand them?
>>65470578 >>Hard-hitting DB's aren't totally fucking useless now due to defenseless receiver rules Doesn't change the fact that if a receiver is going to score on you the correct thing to do is nail the fucker and no one except libcucks that aren't actually football fans will blame you for it.
>>65470471 Have you ever even fucking played football? Do you know what my high school coaches used to show us every year? They had a montage of players paralyzed for the rest of their life because of bullshit like face masks. Lying dead on the field because of broken vertebrae from head to head contact. Femurs split in half from horse collars. If you haven't been on the field in a set of pads you don't know shit.
>>65471300 Maybe I am missing something here but I could have swore one of the panthers receivers went out of bounds yet the clock kept running down even before the punt. Can anyone confirm? Clearly the game time was supposed to have stopped yet it didn't.
Seems like either no one caught it or perhaps I missed something about that play.
>>65471129 No it's not. You can see light under the right side of hte ball (the side you think is touching the ground). His hand is in the middle. It's almost like a football is shaped like a football.
>>65473385 First, you're retarded. Second, it doesn't matter if the ball TOUCHES the ground, what matters is if the ground assisted with the catch or knocked the ball loose ,two things it very obviously did
>>65472531 >>65472584 >>65473347 LOL I just came in to this thread but his hand is clearly on the bottom of the ball. The shape of a football means it didn't have to touch the ground. And it didn't. This pic here >>65471045 is the point that shows his hand is keeping it seperated from the ground. Kill yourselves. >hurr footballs only move when they physically touch the grass other than that they never move.
>>65467335 Bruh you can feel whether you have a facemask or pads. Instantly. He 100% knew he had the facemaske and followed through with highly excessive force that looks like he was trying to injure the other guy. After seeing this garbage and his eye jab the guy should be banned for life before he seriously ruins someone.
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