>Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future.
Why are young men not getting married? Do they not want to make women happy anymore?
women are all conniving resource leeches. marriage is a bad deal, there is no upside to marriage. either its a successful marriage and you're miserable or the marriage fails and she takes half your net worth plus alimony
>Do they not want to make women happy anymore?
Women have become too promiscuous for the average man. You can reply and call me a virgin all you want, but it's true. Males instinctively want a woman that hasn't fucked lots of other guys, so he can then 'take' her and have offspring with her. It's just the way it is. Us guys think that way and it will never change.
Not to mention feminism and all that other crap, making it very risky for guys to marry because women have the advantage in the court system. I can expect /pol/ to go into hivemind mode in this thread and start blaming guys, though.
I will never understand the female need to make everything the mans fault.
For fucks sake if marriage has less pros than cons then of course logical beings will ignore it.
Hell, I've even heard of some women accepting this and living with a man for 20+ years without marriage.
quality women fm don't exist for men as a whole. Men have no incentive to get married. Before a man would pretty much get a submissive fuck toy but the modern women will let you fuck before marriage and constantly argues and head butts with men. More and more men are just turning to porn. Plus divorce is almost always started by the women and divorce and custody courts fuck the man way more than it does the women.
>“Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood,”
>responsibility and self-sufficiency means taking care of women
I told myself I would only get married If I could get a high-quality Scandinavian girl.Unfortunately they are all being gang-fucked by Syrians these days so it's unlikely.
I'll stick with porn, the occasional hooker, and tinder if I'm desperate. It's worked for me so far.
Men value looks, loyalty, and chastity in that order. Women have done away with the last two. They are one third of what they should be and are therefore one third as successful as they should be. It's no surprise. Men are at fault for the decline of the traditional West too. We enable such poor, rash changes and succumb to apathy and hedonism just as regularly. The Sunmer of Love killed the West. Enjoy the decline and marry a foreigner.
Come to think of it the only way I'd get married in this country is with a very detailed and specific prenuptial agreement.
Out lining the division of assets based on the percentage of income earned by each party at the time of the divorce, mandatory shared custody, etc.
I want to make a proper, feminine girl happy, not a used up whore. Why gamble at least half of your stuff on a mentally and physically damaged woman who has sucked more dick than a pornstar?
>Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future
Wouldn't that mean that 70% of women that same age aren't married as well? Why not go ask them why they aren't getting married.
Woah hold up, you DARE to BLAME WOMYN for something that MEN aren't doing?! You racist, misogynist asshole! I bet you're a VIRGIN too!
Here's your fuckin' red pill.
>our entire civilization is built on the lie that women are monogamous rather than hypergamous
>our society is built from the family unit
>this is not the natural transaction between the sexes, it suppresses women's hypergamy in order to make sure there is 1 woman for every 1 man who contributes to society
>without this contract to force almost all men to be productive, over 60% of men would never reproduce.
>our society was built on the back of this lie, but it was an efficient one. We advanced too far and now we are no longer needed
>women no longer have to hold up their end of the contract
>civilization is collapsing because men built it for women way too efficiently
I know the feel. I'd gladly bind myself in marriage if I could have a loyal and relatively innocent wife. Even if she wasn't particularly that attractive. Shit, I'd gladly date 2 points+ below my grade if I knew she'd be loyal. Women have forgotten how to commit and become too comfortable with divorce and cheating. It's hardly even frowned upon to divorce your husband if he's anything less than perfect. We've killed shame and that has killed anyway for society to reinforce its own norms.
>young men studying in college. who are now up to their eyes in college debt, and need to study their ass off for even the most basic minmum wage job, who are also told that talking to women is sexist, aren't getting married.
"Your husband made you feel bad that one night while you were bitching at him? Good job for cheating on him with Jamal! Now you get the house, kids, cash and prizes!"
You post this video in every thread. The problem with this supposed red pill is it does nothing to address the child question. The nuclear family is objectively the best environment in which to rear children. If men go full on MGTOW and finally free themselves from the shackles of "traditionalist misandry" while women are free to pursue their hypergamous nature who is left to raise the children? Good luck getting them to not turn out completely fucked.
To add to everything that's already been said, there is a higher amount of women graduating college and most of them are looking to marry male college graduates however unfortunately there is an imbalance between male and female college graduates. And the women refuse to marry blue collar workers even though there isn't enough white collar to go around. Keep this in mind bros, don't settle for girls in college because there is more of them than you so they are desperate.
No national identity
Everyone lies to your face
Women date the richest or most intimidating piece of shit they can find
The government doesn't help neets that can actually use logic to solve real problems
And you fucking wonder why America is shit. The reason we use this site is because we are a thin wall away from 300 million guns.
Reminder that it was Ronald Reagan who brought no fault divorce to the United States. It didn't exist here but he pushed it as governor of California as a way to keep the government out of your private affairs. The real reason is he wanted to be president but we never had a divorced president before. By dramatically increasing the frequency of divorce, he normalized it and made it a non-issue for his presidential campaign. No fault divorce was great for his political ambitions but terrible for the health of the country.
Single motherhood is steadily rising dude. The irony of feminism is that it not only "set women free" it set men free from the responsibility of being the bread winner, protector and provider. You're right it's absolutely shit for children but it's the world we live in now.
Ok, women really aren't having that much more sex than they used to. Maybe super hot chicks are, or super insecure chicks are, but I am dead serious that the last women I've dated have been so broken by the current dating system and such sweet and nice girls that they are nearly virgins at age 30.
Seriously, don't mistreat women.
Stop being bad at being a man, and you will seriously find yourself good women.
I am not fucking shitting you. Don't become jaded. So many girls on online dating get a lot of messages, and they ignore most of them because they are uninspired "hey".
Men used to go through very great lengths to make women feel special. If you do that for a woman, she will at least hold off on betraying you for a good five years. She may not betray you at all if you truly put in effort and make her do the same. (This is where women flag, they don't put in the same effort. But you can change that).
And those will be five amazing years you have.
Successful fun happy relationships for the last 20 years of my life. I can count maybe 5-20 times where the women have broken down crying at different times due to break-ups or just their own insecurities. But 20 times in 20 years isn't bad.
Stop being a dirty paki looking for a handjob in a car.
Stop looking for a whore to get your dick wet for a night.
Cook your woman some dinner and have a nice night on any type of date you want. Just because the bar is low for many doesn't mean you have to stoop to that.
Be a great man, you will have great relationships with great women.
I feel so fucking bad for women when I date them hearing the stories you fucking idiots put them through.
Not white knighting, not a cuck. You guys are just really fucking dumb with women. Many of my women wanted me to marry them. But I was honest with them, "I am probably not in this for the long haul. Not because I don't like you but because my future is not secure".
It's cowardly, but it's honest.
I'm working toward a five-year degree that I'm not even sure will help me because I have no alternative. I'm stuck in adolescence because I have no other options. I'm not in a relationship because all the girls who I'd be able to connect with are SJWs.
Men have PREFERENCES
My best friend for example PREFERS big titty blondes with swinging hips and extroverted personalities, but the love of his life is an introverted brunette with very modest boobs
Women have REQUIREMENTS
As in he's GOT to be 6'3, makes at least 40k annually, drives a ferrari, 8/10 looks.
Sure she'll SETTLE for George but she'll be huffy about it
I'm legit terrified of alimony
I've seen it destroy almost everyone around me
That's why ill never get married
We still pay for those kids, just through taxes for social programs rather than paying directly for our biological offspring.
>Why are young men not getting married?
Because marriage is a death trap legally.
>Do they not want to make women happy anymore?
Why should they? what benefit does it bring to men?
Now really marriage is a death trap that caters to women not because men like it.
tl;dr of last post.
Be a man
You will have good relationships with good women.
They didn't disappear just because they go through a phase of clubbing like men do now. Clubs are weird places for them too.
Talk to them genuinely and you will meet really nice girls.
I'm trying to help you dumb niggers and make society better.
Last GF went on 3 Tinderdates.
Creepy fat guy
Dude who literally just forced himself on her in his car
And a guy thought she was ugly so he acted ashamed of her and didn't want her to hurt his social standing.
This is no way to treat women.
If you're beautiful to them, they will be beautiful back.
Just don't be a fucking cuck or pervert. You have to stand for something.
>Mainstream media calling out feminism
>“Feminism was supposed to bring women happiness,” Crouse said. “But the research shows that women today are much more unhappy then they have been in the past. They’ve ended up with far more opportunities, but their personal happiness is way down.”
We're at the turning point lads.
The one on the left is not just a virgin, she is a child. I'm not a feminist, but I can see where they are coming from on the topic of rape culture when I see creepy fucks like you who just want a doll with no mind of her own that you can manipulate as you please, because interacting with a woman as an equal is beyond your autistic capabilities. Fuck off.
What makes women happy is getting divorced and profiting thereof.
I see all this bullshit on these posts like these fucking men have any experience with women.
Marriage is a death trap of alimony and whatever.
What is this nigger mentality.
If you want the relationship, you want it. If you don't, you don't.
But don't complain about women when you're not putting in the effort either.
Just a shameless lack of personal responsibility.
I acknowledge your unusually high quality Canadian post.
I think part of it is the ironic decoupling of marriage as a social institution. In the past marriage was considered pretty much obligatory. If you were middle class and successful you were probably married. For men it wasn't a burden to have a family and successful career. These things weren't mutually exclusive. For women it wasn't degrading to be married and have kids.
If decreasing the significance of marriage liberated women, it liberated men as well. As women were under less social pressure to be married, the same was naturally true for men. Frankly it terms of the current culture marriage is dated. I think many men and women realize this which is why you see many couples in stable relationships with children who aren't married.
As much blame as SJW and feminists get for women's moving into careers there is another factor in this that probably played a bigger role. Women are huge spenders, especially of status brand items. Their movement into careers created huge markets. As households or individuals women now are much more able to participate as consumers so add late capitalism as another thing to hate for killing off marriage.
>jobs require 10 years of experience plus master's degree plus tip
>80 hour weeks
>overtime? What overtime
>try to report them
>can't sue because no money
>repeat ad infinitum
Japan and Germany face the same issues -- people work too much, the sisyphean task makes it prohibitively hard to keep up social skills, and women, no longer able to snare men, got into their own careers, and have t o do the same thing.
If only we had listened to Keynes...if only.
>digital graphics artist with one of the big animation companies
>parents and friends ask me why I don't get married
>tell them because marriage is a waste of money and being stuck with 1 woman my whole life is boring
>women say I'm selfish for thinking about that and money
>friends agree with me because they are married and have kids
Freedom is great. I can't ever see myself giving it up. I wouldn't have been able to travel the world, move to different places and met all kinds of people if I got married and settled down. Once women and men get comfortable and married they don't like moving and just give up and get fat from what I've seen. marriage and kids is literally end game . ill think about that when I'm old as fuck.
If you want kids, put your sperm in a bank and have fun making money , if you aren't a ugly fatass at 30 you'll be pulling bitches that are still in their early 20s and sometimes teens. Love your life the way you want to. Men don't have an expiration date like women
Because it our fault in there eyes. Everywhere i go there are unhappy single women. This New years eve was one of the most pathetic things i have ever seen, hundreds of single women looking at their cell phones all night 10 plus started drunk crying about being alone. Fuck them and their society.
>"I prefer exercise instead of men"
>Avatar is a landwhale
So, in other words, everything is the fault of men, and we need to submit to women. Why didn't you just say that instead of typing out an autistic rant? You're a cuck, and you think women are better than you. We get it. But modern guys are aware of how women are now and WOMEN ARE THE FUCKING PROBLEM.
Why should I stick to my traditional role of marriage when women don't stick to their traditional role of remaining a virgin before marriage. The women of today just want to have there fun with the bad boys and ride the cock carousel until their looks fade away. After they no longer get the attention from the bad boys they expect a beta provider chump to take care of them. fuck that shit why should I spend thousand of dollars on your wedding just to get sex when you gave it away for free to some bad boy.
Nobody is complaining. A question is being answered.
Men don't want relationships at record rates because the relationships are dangerous legally. Also, men are told to be beta bitches their entire life by women if they are born to single mother families which are becoming the majority, eg "this is what we want" and those men can't even get a decent woman without learning the truth about female nature. So they just avoid women completely. Personally, I can't afford a woman. I don't have time to look for one and I don't have money.
Stop whinging about men making choices and having reasons for making those choices which you don't agree with.
I just wish I could get a date. I went through college and high school and only got rejected, I'm not too bad looking, maybe a little round, I can have actual conversations, and have a decent ammount of friends. I asked out girls all the time and each one didn't even want to go on ONE date. Something about they liked me as a firend and thought that dating would ruin that, then they said "oh man I kinda wish we dated oh well" at the end of the year. Shits mad gay.
>interacting with a woman as an equal
Every single time people blame men.
Men have not changed in dating in over 50 years.
Women need to accept responsibility for this shit or nothing is going to get better and they're going to find themselves alone with children.
And that's how it is.
There's actually been more times where women cry in my arms now that I think about it.
The one that hurt me a lot was this one girl who wasn't as pretty as my last GF's.
She was kinder and more genuine (and they were still kind and genuine people too!) but she was a little more naive and innocent.
Anyway, she had this guy who basically "ghosted" her and distanced himself from her, he wouldn't post pics of him / her on facebook and used her for sex clearly. After some months with him, he puts up picks of his new GF and basically shows his complete shame of doing it with a 6/10 girl.
She had a great body, not super attractive face just average or even slightly below but she was a great time to be around.
So we're laying in bed one night, and I haven't even thought of putting up pics on FB or anything like that. And afterwards she says how I don't initiate contact with her often and that I haven't put up facebook pics.. and asked if I was ashamed of her while crying.
She has this deep insecurity now about her looks because of this. And I went full good BF mode. I dated her for a long time and she was a university graduate who had a good masters degree, but still had trouble finding people.
But to have a human being in your arms, an adult woman cry like a child asking if I was ashamed of her..
Broke my fucking heart senpai.
Treat your women better.
I understand the ugly fat sluts who don't realize 'FAT ISN'T HEALTHY YOU STUPID BITCH. IT'S EASY TO LOSE WEIGHT YOU JUST HAVEN'T DONE IT'.
But most girls really aren't like these fucking twitter whores or loudmouth facebook posts.
FFS treat people these poor women right.
It might even kill you inside when they are ungrateful. There are some that will be completely ungrateful. Those are the ones who don't realize how great they have it.
Those are the whores. But you can see who they are fast they will always give a clue.
Maybe it comes down to us respecting the fact that white women are the property of Syrian refugees,
thank you feminists and liberals.
>just be a beta orbiter and you'll get laid for sure
>also I have nothing to say regarding the topic of marriage which is what the thread is about
Honestly, the one on the rights lacks opinion or seems to lack a mental process beyond sensationalism. Or self control. Or virtue. Or empathy. Or...
Well... I think I made my point.
>eed to submit to women. Why didn't you just say that instead of typing out an autistic rant? You're a cuck, and you think women are better than you. We get it. But modern guys are aware of how women are now and WOMEN ARE THE FUCKING PROBLEM.
No, I think men are superior to women.
But if you're a fucking creep who has problems with women, that is the mans fault.
Think of any Indian or Pakistani man.
Who the fuck wants to fuck that guy.
Little girls are fucking great though. If I had a loli, I would cherish her and teach her so many things and raise her to be the best adult possible, who respected herself enough to not need nigger cock to validate her self image.
>university is full of hot single virgin qts
>no doubt I'll go full work+recluse after I graduate
>I have less than 2 yrs to find prime marriage material
anyone else here who refuses to contribute to the problem feel this urgency and the helplessness of it?
Man even working 40 hours it's hard to find time to date. In the past I can see that being married actually made a man's life easier as in cooking, taking care of home, etc are done.
Nowadays I know I'm just taking on more work by dating and the possibility of a relationship. If we have a household and family, both parents have to work full-time and still do chores, etc. Not worth it.
It's fine to say "man up and save your civilization" and some guys will do that, but you won't overcome the social forces that make most men stay away. People don't just voluntarily go into painful situations.
Your post just came off as really cringey. You blamed men for women being depressed these days. No, my friend. This is women reaping what they sow for being a bunch of sluts that abused and shamed the male gender for as long as they could.
It is so pathetic that guys on 4chan white knight for women so much. You losers are more cringey than Reddit is, and that's saying something.
I don't know whether to feel happy or sad that women are as miserable and lonely as I am
>23 years old never been on a real date etc
>Nearly 60 year old dad gets more action than me
>even at a college with 60% girls
This isn't white knighting.
I'm saying if you seriously think women shamed the male gender just because you see a bunch of tweets and retarded clickbait articles or buzzfeed, you really haven't talked to a lot of women.
w/e 20 years of great relationships that were a tonne of fun, versus angry nerds complaining why they can't get tinder dates.
Have you cooked a meal for a woman in the last month?
This whole, "its their fault" is such bullshit.
Of course things are their fault. They're fucking women.
You're supposed to be 2x a woman you fucking shameless crybabies.
You seem naive.. It doesn't matter that you can hold a conversation. You kind of have to act like a jerk. Not completely, but just halfway. You don't have to be mean to women, but just allow them to think you might be. Don't ignore them all the time, but do some of the time.
If you never ignore them, they definitely won't like you. Of course, you still have to initiate conversations. It may seem contradictory that you need to initiate conversations and then ignore them, but you do.
I get what you're saying now. That's more like it. But young males face a lot of pressures these days. And I've been around, man. I see what women do, They have shamed and abused the male gender and they got away with it. Now, it's time for them to get what they deserve. Let them be lonely, women aren't owed a date or a husband. They just aren't.
Women are retarded. I just want an earnest and loyal relationship. Instead I have to act like an asshole and have sex on the first date otherwise she'll go full fucking spaz.
Then, later, she'll complain about being objectified, call men pigs and blame them for everything, and completely miss the point she's doing it to herself.
>You kind of have to act like a jerk. Not completely, but just halfway. You don't have to be mean to women, but just allow them to think you might be. Don't ignore them all the time, but do some of the time.
Like this bull shit is the reason why I don't think I'll ever get a date. Seriously I have no idea how to even begin to do this. I know I'm autistic and all, but this shit makes no logical sense to me.
How the fuck do I start this, when do I start this? Why has everyone told me to just be nice? Why do I have to be an asshole all the time?
considering most men aren't in it for the long haul, 5 years is a good time.
By being honest and having good judge of character?
Hell, just marry down. If she's a 6 and you're an 8, she knows as she ages she can never do better.
You kids talk about starting Hitlers Reich again then don't realize that all great men in life sacrifice. Because you're eternal manchildren you don't want to give up anything because you're already happy. That's a fine choice. But don't blame it on women.
A mans life has been sacrifice & taking what he wants. He has greater gains and greater costs. You can educate your women you know. And if they are too stupid to be educated well.. that's your own problem.
>women are shallow even when they're massive hamplanet landwhales themselves
>wanting to marry one of those monsters
Not to mention
>can't find work
It'd be irresponsible to even consider marrying, starting a family if you can't support them.
All these beta males have nothing but sadstory.jpeg anecdotal evidence and excuses about how some cunt fucked over a guy. As if half you faggots have much experience with broads, and considering have the dudes I know use up broads like worthless whores.
Finding a good girl is easy, it just takes a real man to step up and put the ring on her finger. Most guys are boys. They dont want to lose playtime in mommys basement on Fallout 4. They dont want to lose brotime. They dont want to meet a bitches family and do shit thats boring to make a cunt happy.
Thats the name of the game pussies.
basically you have to act like you're not interested and occasionally throw out the odd slightly offensive joke or call them on something dumb they did/said but in a humorous way.
>le Chad maymay le beta provider maymay le bitter, transparent as fuck comics = facts maymay
I love this bitter nu-male tumblr tier logic where the omega failure thinks parroting the same mediocre story means it's factual.
If you can't choose a decent partner, control her unacceptable behaviours, and build the relationship you want BEFORE marrying her, then you're a worthless piece of shit and have no rights to call yourself a man.
There's nothing more disgusting and omega than a man who takes college tier feminist ranting seriously and bases his decisions around it. Die.
>give men the option to donate half their wealth and income in a legally binding contract, with nothing in return
>tfw they don't do it
What's funny is most men DO stick around. It's the women that either run off or drive them off. 9/10 times.
Men still WANT a traditional life. We kept being told, "Then make one!" We can't do that if women keep actively destroying it.
Until women grow up and fix themselves they will not get anything from us.
And that's how it is.
>mfw reading this shit
nigga you trippin
>work 40 hours a week
>usually have a good 5-10 hours of (unpaid) overtime per week
>9 to 5 job and tend to sleep late
>very little sleep per day
>after random tasks, maybe 2 hours of free time per day
>spend it playing video games and Internet browsing, both of which I enjoy a lot
Can you imagine what would happen if I toss a wife in there? The horror.
I agree with this to a fair degree.
They do not deserve it and if they want to act like a mans equal they have to be treated as such.
But most women go through a very lonely 20's period because we have technology that lets us know we're here, but it doesn't "bring us" together.
Add a multicultural society on this and people are very alone in Toronto at least.
Telling you women aren't nearly as bad as you make them out to be.
I see marriages that last, and marriages that don't. But you can usually tell from the quality of person which marriages are going to be "up and down" or "complicated".
>So how is the daily commute to USA? you have to go through customs everyday?
Yup, using a motorcycle I can filter through all the traffic all the way to the front so no matter how long the lines it's a 15min-20min commute.
And yes, you go through customs everyday. I have a security clearance through CBP thanks to my work so they just scan my border card and tell me to have a nice day.
If you have a car you can get Global Entry/SENTRI but it's a 3 month long wait and it requires you to have residency in the USA to be eligible and my residency status is shady as fuck.
>or you found the hole in the fence?
Pfft, I wish.
Download and read The Game by Neil Strauss. Regardless of what people think about pick up artistry, it certainly shows what women (and men) are interested in and how they get what they want.
Im not married because I keep moving around abroad. My relationships always end with me leaving the country. That said..there are a fuckton ridiculous amount of canadians in asia. Like half of canada is here.
>Unfortunately, the beta has waited 365 days to engage in a romantic pursuit. The beta is now what we call a classic 'beta orbiter'. The only way for the beta to escape this, and get the sexual attention of 'm'lady' is to obtain massive gains, but as with the case of 95% of beta's, this never occurs. The beta feels secure in the orbit, and has a false believe that this constant circulation will lead to success.
>meanwhile, the Alpha males, are so far grounded that they regularly penetrate deep into m'ladys hot sticky core
Well who the fuck says we need to play it? There's no benefit beyond some delusion societal structure that's only in place because one certain religion told us anything else was sinful. As a legal contract, it's largely folly for a man to give in to. One can just as easily further their biological line without any of the associative bullshit, hell, they can even stick around and raise them if they want. Marriage as an institutional is not necessary beyond putting a gun to man's head and daring him to move.
Not only would a wife take his money but she'd also take all his free time AND nag him AND divorce him later AND continue taking his money.
And that's if she doesn't turn into a massive bitch, cheat on him, and make his life miserable DURING the marriage.
And don't get me started on the kids.
>Get off overtime.
>Have to stay up with the baby because she thinks you should split the work.
>She doesn't work.
Good luck on the cooking, too. I have never seen a single woman able to cook. Not one.
Well typically you should be wary of all women in this current climate but virgins and women who've had few sexual encounters are typically less likely to fuck you over. I'd avoid things like tattoos,piercings, dyed hair,too much make up, left wing politics etc
It's hard to find an ideal women since women are masters at manipulation but they're out there, but probably already taken tbqh
You actually don't seem like that bad of a guy. We agree on a lot of stuff. But the one thing we will probably always disagree on, is that I just don't think men should submit to women. I don't. If so many women are lonely and depressed, why do people never ask if women are the problem? Yeah, I get that they are children, but you just can't expect guys to go outside and start proposing to every woman they see. Males are programmed to watch their own asses, that will NEVER change.
>literally a canadacuck
how pathetic can one country be?
Why does the report honestly expect men to marry during mid-late 20s, let alone 20? Seriously, the average wedding age in Canada is 31, and America's average is probably around that age range. When males are in their 20s, they're still at college/university. How can any of them support a family when they're still at school preparing for a career?
>Telling you women aren't nearly as bad as you make them out to be.
They are the root of the problem, no matter how many times you claim, "They're not that bad."
Until they change they get nothing from us.
>more than 50% of marriages end in divorce
>it's usually instigated by wife
>wife usually gets half of husband's shit
>wife usually gets kids if there are any
>man always pays it forward
>traditional marriage constantly mocked
>kids at liberal arts schools forced to take sociology classes saying nuclear family is evil racist misogynistic etc
>above is also true for gender roles
>women aged 20-34 just want to ride the cock carousel and have no desire to settle down
>infidelity no longer results in social ostracizing or punishment
>feminists actually encourage female infidelity
>"lol you guys are just little boys"
>these hamgalaxies think mocking or shaming men is going to get men to marry them
>these hamgalaxies only want hunks and don't date anyone that doesn't fit their ridiculous standards
maybe that tactic would have worked on me ten years ago, but not anymore. there is literally no fucking reason to get married and have kids, and feminists only have themselves to blame. my experience growing up taught me that I'm worthless for being a white male, I'm going to be a racist in Minority Report style school assemblies, and my concepts of marriage is misogynistic.
I'm going to just sit in my room and play video games. at least I'm not getting nagged all the time, unless you count Preston Garvey.
Women ARE the problem, it's just that western society seems to be unable to hold women accountable for their actions.
I think it was his first post that came off bad. Women are even worse than I make them out to be. I'm trying to be nice with my words. But he does agree that men are superior, so there's that.
>I think it was his first post that came off bad.
All of his posts have been bad. He's called women nothing but angels and men nothing but devils. It's not the case. Usually it's the other way around.
Ride the cock carousel until looks fade.
Try to settle down begrudgingly out of desperacy.
Eventually divorce, take half, try to jump back on cock carousel
End up bitter cat lady who give all her money to any man that will look at her and likely dies alone
>> literally happening to several women in my family now.
Men can't be the victims.
First mistake thought.
When we are "victimized"
we better ourselves. Our judgement improves.
Victim mentality can go suck a dick.
Unless any of you are 50 year old men who provided the world for your woman and she broke your heart then seriously don't play the victim card.
No one is saying you need to play it, but if you dont want to play it, then obviously you dont care...yet you guys create threads daily about not getting married or at the very least post in a thread of why you dont want to get married. Shouldn't you not give a shit?
Its because you guys a) do not know how to get a girl or b) are fucking hopeless which means you are venting like little bitches because you refuse to accept reality.
You cant get a good girl worth marrying because of YOU. If nothings happening MAKE IT HAPPEN. Get off your ass and stop making bullshit comments to try and get other beta males to reassure you that its not your fault.
It's the way the world works. Men are driven to achieve in life to secure the love of women. We don't work hard jobs, do dangerous things for nothing, or because it's fun. Men in adolescence base their personalities around what they perceive women wanting.
If women don't reward good behavior (hard work, humility, self-sacrifice, honesty), or if the women themselves don't take care of themselves and behave well, the men in a society will not behave well either.
It's not possible for a man to shape the behavior of all those around him in such a way as "making a traditional life yourself." I mean you can take a woman who is a degenerate and try to manipulate or control her into being good but that's a ton of work and something only a sadist would enjoy. In reality it depends on both men and women being instilled with good behavior when they're young and then reinforcing that behavior as they form relationships and enter marriage.
What are you getting mad at me for? I just want to get married while I'm still young, but have almost zero experience. Anyway, it sounds like you're saying I should work on myself first, which I'm doing, albeit not with as much vigor as is likely warranted
>avoid things like tattoos,piercings, dyed hair,too much make up, left wing politics etc
I know that much. I'm not a total social retard
Neil Strauss backtracked on everything he ever said about his shitty PUA shit.
Be genuine, be honest, have good judge of character
Real people will appreciate it, no shit.
Well we can't really blame women for this. Kikes funded the feminist movement to destroy family culture and it's worked. Our women are fucked up because of kikes at the end of the day.
>Men can't be the victims.
Attitudes like this is why we don't date women.
>I just don't think men should submit to women
I don't think you can expect women, or people for that matter, to change at all without any guidance or assistance. One of the great features of relationships is that you need to sacrifice things in order to get anywhere. You shouldn't really submit to anyone in most situations because in my experience people don't try too hard in many things. But if there's a woman you love, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to give in a little bit because it's your own happiness you're otherwise forsaking.
You're bat shit fucking insane, you are so fucking cucked that there is literally no hope saving you.
I came here to laugh at you Canada, you are an embarrassment to the world and are less than a shadow of what you once were.
Don't worry, Mohammad wont make the same mistakes you did when he replaces your entire race with his army of shitskins.
But do you accept that all these lonely women are lonely because THEY are the problem? I highly doubt it. You were raised to believe that women were better than you and you never questioned that idea.
Everything else such as kids, stable home, etc is a crap shoot. Most of the guys here will fail those odds because to get a good woman requires doing non degenerate actives and putting yourself out there.
Well, I was talking about the current climate in general. 4chan and far-left toxic cesspools share the idea that men are losers because they don't submit to women. That is what I was talking about. If not submitting to women makes me a beta/omega, then I am a beta/omega. Guilty as charged.
This has probably already been asked but i don't feel like reading this whole thread. Who the fuck gets married before 25? Hardly anyone ik has. Not even my parents got married that young. All it does is stem to bigger problems getting married so young. Seems like this "study" is just bs to make it seem like there is a problem.
>Be a man
>all this vague beta shit
You reward their good behavior like you would a child, but you also have to remind them that you can leave them for another girl whenever you want in little ways. Women only know fear, they do not understand respect in the same way men do.
A good test to see where you stand is if you whip your dick out randomly and if she doesn't start sucking that shit then you aren't wearing the pants.
>4chan and far-left toxic cesspools share the idea that men are losers because they don't submit to women
No, we think you're fucking losers because you orbit, present yourself as walkovers, and have zero ability to keep women in line. You're called an omega because you're omega.
Look Anon, I get your "fuck victimhood" attitude, but part of not being a victim is identifying situations that won't work out in your favor
Marriage just doesn't work out in men's favor. The laws are stacked against it, and years of hard work and sacrifice can be stolen away with a divorce paper.
Above all else, I want to leave behind a legacy. But the notion of raising a family just seems so unlikely, and it seems far more easy for me to just try to succeed at my professional pursuits, to further my reputation, my wealth, my reach, and ultimately, my legacy
And who knows, maybe if I'm successful enough, the women will come after.
well i am not attracted to the average woman.
for example if she watches TV just forget about it. deal breaker no way.
and men have their issues themselves but i am speaking for myself. i am 32 and i have never met a woman with character. not to say they aren't around, but i don't know where they are. hopefully hiding away.
As a guy who fucks these cucked couples, I will never understand wtf runs through your minds.
The couples are always white.
The women actually tend to be attractive to hot.
They take 10+ dicks at one time.
The husband always just sits on the side lines and watches. Maybe feels up another woman nearby.
The only thing that makes it weirder is when the couples start talking about their kids as the wife wipes the cum of 20 different guys off her face.
>women are whores
>legal system rigged against them
>none of them can get jobs, many of them don't even bother to look for them
>older generation raised them to be obedient, so now they depend entirely on their parents for guidance and can't think independently
GEEZ GUYS WHAT COULD IT BE
What's your aim here? Is your validation in life solely derived from conforming to the narrative that the only purpose a person can have is marrying into a sham? Fuck that. Guys who refuse to jump on the first woman they see because "they're not pussies" are idiots who deserve everything that comes to them, but it's from their lesson that other guys take to heart from observation. There are legitimate risks in this game that deserves caution. Complaining about not finding a woman within someone's standards is natural, it will go until standards adjust- claiming that it's the mans fault because his standards are too high is only half the argument, the other half is women not measuring up. It's not a fucking one way street like article's in OP would have us believe, it's a false narrative that you seem to have bought into wholly.
>Do you have any tips on how to raise a GF's son?
Don't. The kid has a daddy, amirite?
I know the whole autistic kids thing. Just before 25 seems to young. Feel like this study would be much better if the target group started at 25. Anything before that just seems young imo.
I don't orbit. Absolutely not. I always fucking hated stuff like that. Once in a while I get a girl in public trying to talk to me, but I just be polite and neutral and then go my own way. The narrative in the article and this entire thread and on the Internet in general is that it's all men's fault because women are lonely and depressed. That is fucking PATHETIC. Maybe women should find ways to be happy other than expecting men to run to them like little puppy dogs on command. Or better yet, maybe women should take responsibility. But we all know that won't happen.
Gonna try and make my story short.
My grandpa is a WW2 veteran, he's 94 now.
My real grandma died 10 years ago and shortly after that my grandpa remarries some French bitch that's been trying to get my grandpa's dick since his younger days.
She somehow convinces my grandpa to sell his property which was also where I lived so he could move in with her across the street and we had to move.
Grandpa didn't believe us when we told her she only married him to use him.
The fucking bitch died last week and in her will she passed down her house and the joint bank account with my gramps to her daughter leaving my grandpa penniless.
During this whole time she was just leeching the money he got from selling his property and waiting for my grandpa to die and inherit all his savings.
Currently in the process of getting a lawyer, not sure how it's gonna turn out. I haven't hated women more than I do now, my grandpa was just too nice for his own good.
Swingers mate. At the minimal they switch partners with other couples, on average they get into gangbangs and wild sex parties. I'm just a single guy along for the ride.
And I will tell you, no matter how long you're into it, you will never understand wtf is wrong with these cuck men. They claim they like it, that it makes their sex lives better, but its full of shit. If your girl ever wants to get into it, dump her and move on. You will never get as much pussy as she will dick in it.
>women should find ways to be happy other than expecting men to run to them like little puppy dogs on command
You have to understand that women were designed by nature to be submissive. Feminism goes against the natural order. Why do you think every "strong womyn" ever portrayed is a fictional character?
Have literally never dated a single mom and never will.
I choose my women semi-carefully and judge them by their character.
"I like adventure" = I like to spend your money
"I'm ok I guess" = I either am trying to be cute / funny or I'm insecure etc etc etc..
There's a tonne of giveaways.
>4chan and far-left toxic cesspools share the idea that men are losers because they don't submit to women. That is what I was talking about
Isn't 4chan in general the opposite? In general I agree with you there then. Anyways, my point was that you shouldn't take the ideology of not submitting to women as a religion because anyone who does is shooting themselves in the foot if they're a psychologically healthy male. It's pretty easy to identify women who are worth your time anyways.
>stop being bad at being a man
Why are you enforcing gender roles on me when the same can't be said for women?
Hoes need to learn to be feminine and stop thinking ANY man wants to marry a strong indapandant ain't need no man cumrag
You kidding me right now?
1.) Men are being terribly treated with feminism and women in general
2.) The divorce rate is 50%
3.) Women will get everything in a divorce
4.) The economy is still ass. People who aren't financially stable won't get married.
5.) Women always say how they are independent and don't need men, so men say "Why Bother".
These days if you want to marry a guy you need to tie him down and make his dick cum inside you so you get pregnant, then once you've confirmed you're pregnant tell him you'll tell everyone he raped you unless he married you.
Wow I can't imagine why men wouldn't want to take a 50% of chance of having their lives ruined.
I mean why are they so afraid of having a ex-wife that takes 30% of their earnings via child support and having weekend visits where their kid hates them because their mom filled their heads with lies about you.
This is just cruel and retarded.
Women already know that if you're a great catch, they'll already bend over backward for you. You do not need to add random cruelty into a relationship like some sort of petty manipulative little shit. That is sabotaging it from the start (which is fine if that's what you want) but far better ways to go about it.
Ever notice that acting like a big man is something niggers do yet niggers just nig and never have a family?
Just think of it this way:
Even hookers in Canada say "No Black Men"
It's not dong size. It's that they are the most childish form of man.
I once posted on reddit that kids were healthier when they had a mother and a father to raise them.
I was shot down and told that single mothers were just as capable as mother father households. Some girls even posted stories about their abusive fathers.
That was the point I gave up. I'm clearly not needed in this world.
1) Student loans creating a massive anxiety when it comes to taking on a partner and the prospect of starting a family. Of course there's also the risk of divorce which combined with debt with be financial death.
2) A lot of men and women are interested in non-binary gender identities and experimenting in non-monogamous relationships. They have a hedonistic view of sex and relationships.
3) The job market is terrible and women tend to aim as high as possible in the US for men with capital.
This is pol. You should know the divorce rate between mature people whom enter a relationship with a common goal is very different from two dumb niggers who got married.
Or a black man + white woman etc.
Black people drive up the divorce rate as well.
So do other shit immigrants.
White and Asian people divorce far less.
Yeah, good point, but I just fucking loathe the narrative, the general idea presented here that men are THE problem and are responsible for the situation that women have put themselves in. I know most guys here are smart enough to process what I'm saying.
4chan is the opposite, but that's what they share with toxic cesspools and even the Internet in general, in a sense. I never have and never will submit to women, that is what I am against here. I don't see how standing my ground and refusing to hold myself responsible for how women have shitty lives make me the bad guy. And guys like you seem to have too much of an optimistic view of how great women are. The Internet portrays them mostly as dumb sex objects. In real life, they are only interested in clubbing and sticking to their girl clique. I know this because I go to college and I see that all the time.
No you dont jump on the first woman you see. Its about getting off your ass and finding what you want and claiming it. Its alot more proactive then sitting here trying to prove to yourself and othrr betas why you are alone. We get it...you want to be alone, you want to die alone and you dont want to further your family name. Congrats. Go play your vidya for the next 50 years, spanking off to blacked.com for breaks. Lets be honest we all know 90% of you betas on here are going on to accomplish shit. Youll have regular jobs like everybody else but the difference is one day youre goingto turn 35-40 and have no wife, no kids, no home, no lofe milestones accomplished.
There is no narrative, there is only nature taking its course. You are following the narrative...the kike narrative to destroy the white race by promoting anto-marriage, no kids, being a beta. Youre the problem. Get a white wife and have kids before the sand niggers take us over already you selfish cunt. You guys arent special. ..you arent going to accomplish anything cool so just get married already for fucks sake.
I am confused at this submitting to women thing. You never submit to them, they will find that unattractive to begin with. They might find it cute for a night but really, no. Just no. Don't even go down that road.
You don't submit to them.
You show them a good time and make them a better human being.
It is up to good men to improve society.
It's a burden.
But it can be a joyful one.
So I'm confused as to what your definition of submitting to them is.
>Mfw when autistic cucks keep getting worse each second
I bet you're one of those cucknuks that like to get dominated by fat women. What's her name, Lard Lassie?
>Do they not want to make women happy anymore?
This is literally the only thing the modern man does. Men in the past had marriage for their own benefit while women were considered fortunate if they found a man who wanted them. Women used to be of low status and authority, they would not have a say in society. Today though, men are lapdogs for women. Whenever women speak in groups of friends, the men must remain silent and wait their turn to speak if they can get in a word over the other males. Women are gods in this society and that's just how women want it. Until they realize when they are older that they need to get married and have some kids so they settle down with what is called a "beta". I don't view "alpha" males as being masculine, they are extremely effeminate and their lives revolve around women, the whole system and culture is truly pathetic.
Literally never done any weird fetish shit nor dated fat chicks. Having sex every weekend with a woman isn't cucked. It's having the best goddamn exercise of your life that both people enjoy a great deal.
You can be very happy without it as it's not needed.
I think that the best thing that could happen to the world is another plague. Kill ~70% of humans and then rebuild. We are too far in a crumbling society.
20 is really too young to get married, desu. Look at women, even in their late 20's they are not mentally or emotionally fit for marriage, so unless you want 20 year old men marrying 30 year old plus women...
What's wrong with a mortgage?
I just gave up because last time I was "asservative" (cuz girls like that) I had to spend the night in jail.
I understand the rules of video games, society not so much.
This is the author of your article Op.
Is there any wonder why she confuses men rejecting marriage with immaturity?
>boys don't become men until they embrace their disposability and serve.
MGTOW for life. Fuck these parasites.
I am being optimistic I'll admit, but I'm more getting at how great women can be at their best. Most women are shit. Some of them are less shit, and a small group are great. Personal preference takes a large role in this too, but great women to a specific person will always be a very small subset of a population. I can't help you find those women, but treat them more or less like >>61140818 and they will like you. Maybe some of them not enough, maybe most of them not enough, to start a serious long term relationship.
Damnit I wish I could be a good guy like that Canada faggot.
I wish I could love and respect women and make them feel comfortable, and I wish I could marry a woman that was special to me and make her happy.
But I can't, I tried and I was literally incapable of doing so because of my internalized misogyny. So I'll forever be one of the guys that makes women unhappy and uncomfortable. I wish I could kill myself but I can't.
Hmm who to believe, one complete fucking over of my own, the witnessed fucking over of all my friends bar one (both virgins when they married), plus my brother, father, and 3 out of 4 of my uncles.
Oh and my ex-brother in law.
Or a Maple-syrup-for-lube in denial that the majority of men will be screwed by nothing more than a womans own nature, and desire for drama in her life.
Take a look at the general theme of your posts. You blame men in general for women being lonely and depressed. Then other guys hop on the bandwagon and use memes out of anger because they lack an actual argument.
I just don't see what is wrong with guys worrying about their own lives. Life is fucking tough right now, in it's own way. I hate the narrative that men are oppressing women because we won't date them. That's pathetic. You can't just expect guys to get up en masse and go propose to women everywhere and treat them like princesses. It won't fucking happen.
Not to mention, when I talk about "submitting to women", I am talking about this idea in western society that men need to march to the beat of the woman's drum. You can't disagree with them on the Internet. You can't do what you want. You have to do what THEY want. Guys instinctively don't like this - why is this so hard for 4chan, Thought Catalog, and all the other cesspools of the Internet to understand?
like im going to wife some whore who wants open borders and interracial marriage
The minute white women declared that having sex with Jamal was important to them was the the minute European society ended. Fuck them and fuck you.
Wish I could senpai, 31 tho and no woman has ever even given me the chance to make them happy.
>feminist movement rolls in, kills traditional family roles
>have 3 generations of children raised mainly by single women with no father figure to guide male children into being confident and alpha, and teaching girls the value of their sexuality
>more and more females growing up taught that no matter what choices they make the government/another man will take care of them
>more and more males ridiculed and excluded from society because they are raised by single mothers and cannot into social norms and lack self-confidence
>liberals can't figure out what's wrong
Idiots all around.
>this entire thread
>forever alone beta virgins upset girls have sex when if given the chance they would have WAY more sex
Ok so say the divorce rate is 30-45% between whites & asians.
Say it's even lower among educated or smart whites and asians.
That's at least a 60% success rate. Not to mention that marriage statistic is probably highly skewed by the same flawed people who get 3-5 marriages.
>she will at least hold off on betraying you for a good five years.
You are sperging out too much here and it shows. Once again, the whole "submitting to women" thing comes to mind. This is cringey as fuck. Why does it make you angry when guys don't date women? That's so weird.
That's just idealistic though. 70 percent of people in this thread cannot understand what I am saying, but you can. The narrative from the fucking start is that women have problems and men are THE problem, among many other narratives. Everything is set up to blame us and worship women. And then people get autistically upset when guys on a deep, inner level say "fuck that" and go back to their own lives.
Could you be any more of a cuck?
Ive had 4 1-2 year relationships and about 10 lays. You're completely cucking for women and shaming a strawman of le 4eva alone man as anyone who doesn't agree with you. Then, like a typical stormfag white knight, you try to play into white genocide when that wouldnt be a problem if we didnt have open borders.
Instead you want to kowtow to the feminist state and imply that not getting married will the doom of our race. Feminism is female rent-seeking and is allied with the immigration/refugee crisis (see Cologne) and the last thing we need to do is worry about having 2 fucking kids while millions flood us and feminists demoralize our gender systematically through public schooling and law.
No im not an autistic fast food employee, im pursuing a stem grad degree and take care of myself. Ive seen enough of my friends get married in my late 20s that ive seen first hand these "alphas" become little good goys to women; miserable, whipped and sexless all because they want to keep their marriage intact and are coerced into servitude based on feminist marriage law.
secret to getting a chick.. be one of the following... master race if you are more than one.
1. Be funny
2. Be model level good looking
3. Be rich
its really that easy guys =)
If you are say, funny and good looking women will practically throw themselves at you.
It's not cruel nor retarded if you're tapping into something that women want. Women want a man who is desired by other women, it gets them going and doesn't hurt them unless you are actively trying to get with other women.
A lot of great men who are a "catch" get fucked over even if they treat their woman well, I have seen it time and time again. You are being very naive Canada to simply think that being a decent person alone is what keeps a woman around, especially when their hormones and mindset fluctuate monthly due to their cycle. You have to be in tune with this, and you have to give her best of both worlds, as the sperm giver and provider.
The whole nigger thing is just false equivalence nonsense.
>That's just idealistic though. 70 percent of people in this thread cannot understand what I am saying, but you can. The narrative from the fucking start is that women have problems and men are THE problem, among many other narratives. Everything is set up to blame us and worship women. And then people get autistically upset when guys on a deep, inner level say "fuck that" and go back to their own lives.
It's not a narrative you can really fight directly unless you have power, but to be honest, I don't think it matters. You've identified it so you can just easily reject it and it will hurt other men. It's selfish, but if you're smart use your intellect to your advantage. Even if you told other guys how to reject that narrative, nothing would change because, like I said before, most people don't really change, only to whatever is trendy.
And in regards to it being idealistic, My position is this: If you're not aiming at the very top you shouldn't even be trying in the first place. If you have an open mind and aren't averse to learning and experimenting, never give up.
You just have to act like you have options and don't come off as clingy. These are games young girls play and they usually drop this shit by the time they hit their mid 20s. And most girls don't even play these games at all--just the ones that have so many dudes chasing them that they have to almost beat them off with a stick. It's how they weed out desperate guys just looking for a fuck.
/r/ing that one picture of the crazy bitch lesbian SJW who turned her life around and became a normal woman in her 20s after she probably realized that being a crazy cunt wasn't going to get her laid.
>It was just a stupid phase
Women are the niggers of gender. She just GibsmeDatd you and you fell for the poor dindu hatchet wound routine.
"She a good gurl"
"She din do nuffin just got ghosted"
"Gettin her life back on track"
Was this girls name Janiqua by any chance?
It does concern me though. All these self-proclaimed "alpha males" on this board go on and on about saving the white race, yet they don't give a fuck if men are facing immense pressures, and they only care about submitting to women. It's weird, it's autistic, it's spergy and I am against it completely. How can we "save the white race" if we put these fucking enormous pressures on young males which make them guaranteed to fail, then we shame them when they are struggling with their own lives??? That's the thing about stormfags, they are literal autists.
And yeah, I see how THE narrative and many other narratives are completely against young guys, and I try to help them out. I know how it feels to be a young white male and in their position, and I actually want to save my people and race, so why the fuck shouldn't I help my fellow man out?
This board is full of absolute beta cucks that were raised to believe women were superior to them. They project that onto other guys and think that just because THEY think that being an 'alpha male' means submitting to women, they think it means they can shame the guys who are just living their own lives. It's fucking pathetic.
As a teenager i have let people know i don't want to have kids.
My reasoning for that was pure unmotivation and along that the world overpopulation as cushioning.
I had a conversation with my father some day, about gay marriage rights. (he is strongly leftist, i was trying to tell him not to cling to the corrupted left so much these days as they've obviously gone too far)
Only thing i want to point out is...
He said to me "You told me once that you and your gf (at the time) did not want to have children and that's a perfectly valid decision".
At this point i got disgusted, both of myself, and my father's words.
I lied to him that i never claimed such a thing as not wanting to have kids, because i wanted to shill.
But it struck me that my parents really don't give half a shit about what kind of person i am to become.
Should i blame them and their generation of degeneracy for what i've chosen as my life path?
Should i praise them for their open mindedness to let me evolve, without much intervention, to the point where i am now (and let's say i'm somewhat satisfied with my current position)?
The narrative will change with time, that's why I don't think it matters. It's good that you want to help other white males, I do too a bit, but I don't think you'll really be able to help them. The idea has been heavily ingrained already. And I think setting an example will have more impact than any argument ever could. If you know the full picture surrounding your actions, you can't really be shamed. That other Canadian poster is a good example of this. I faced pressures and prejudices in high school because I'm a white male, but there are others that see through it. Regardless, I feel lile you can trust the new upcoming generation. It's more of that idealism I guess, but the narrative won't stand forever.
This'll be my last post tonight. Good luck in your endeavors, dude. And I hope you get lucky.
> The idea has been heavily ingrained already.
No it hasn't. You can't make men do what they don't want to do if men stand up and say "no". And that is what is happening now.
>That other Canadian poster is a good example of this.
That guy is an example of what I was saying in >>61142697. He thinks women are better than men and that it's our fault that women are depressed because guys won't date them. It's pathetic. His bullshit tactics failed.
>Regardless, I feel lile you can trust the new upcoming generation.
If anything, the new upcoming generation seems to be even more intense than me with this. Aside from the masses of losers that think we should submit to women, there are also masses of guys who are refusing to be disposable submissive cucks and are finally standing up for themselves. Good for them.