Thread 2: Singles Boogaloo
>Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future.
Why are young men not getting married? Do they not want to make women happy anymore?
>feminist movement rolls in, kills traditional family roles
>have 3 generations of children raised mainly by single women with no father figure to guide male children into being confident and alpha, and teaching girls the value of their sexuality
>more and more females growing up taught that no matter what choices they make the government/another man will take care of them
>more and more males ridiculed and excluded from society because they are raised by single mothers and cannot into social norms and lack self-confidence
>liberals can't figure out what's wrong
Idiots all around.
It's men's fault women can't get more pay for the same job
It's men's fault women can't find good men any more
When are men going to man up and marry that single mother with mulatto children?
Damnit I wish I could be a good guy like that Canada faggot.
I wish I could love and respect women and make them feel comfortable, and I wish I could marry a woman that was special to me and make her happy.
But I can't, I tried and I was literally incapable of doing so because of my internalized misogyny. So I'll forever be one of the guys that makes women unhappy and uncomfortable. I wish I could kill myself but I can't.
>many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future
Erm, our "society" forced all these men into perpetual adolescence. Fucking deal with it, you feminazi cunts...
>Westerners don't marry
>Sandniggers have 5 or 6 children per wife, not including the bastards
My friend manned up and married a hispanic woman with a daughter.
His daughter loves him a lot, and he recently had a baby daughter too together with her.
He's reproduced which you'll probably never manage.
Women in my age group either marry successful 40 year olds or they whore around with the top 3% chads. Not exactly true a good 30% got married young within there age groups but the supply of those women has long sense dried up, I should have snagged one early on. Now I just need to be a successful 40 year old and all will be well.
%70 of girls I see do not take care of themselves or have strange body modifications
%70 of females think they are the second coming of princess Diana
%90 of females are brainwashed by popular media
>Why are young men not getting married?
The education system backfired, we now recognize traps, thats why they are trying to introduce common core so people get dumber
look at nigger schools and shit, low iq's and they breed like rabbits
>Do they not want to make women happy anymore?
Fuck your mgtow faggot bullshit. women have never been easier to fuck. They arent fucking 3% of the population they're fucking everyone including niggers. Which is the problem. I have standards and im not wifeing a whore.
I am married, and I was born in the 80s. Getting married seemed like a good idea, she wanted kids and to be a stay at home mom. Fast forward 3 years, have 2 little girls (1 and 2), Irish twins and their mother is falling apart. Calls me at work occasionally to complain about how hard she has to at home. I work at a steel mill, we have good days and bad days, but it seems like she thinks that when I go to work it's an 8hr shoot the shit with buddies. The house is a wreck, she keeps the babies fed and clothed, and the absolute bare minimum otherwise. When the laundry gets done it is left in baskets near the drier, I don't remember the last time I got clothes out of the dresser. I've had total ownership of the babies for the last few days while she has been sick, I mean all day she is in the bedroom recovering from bronchitis, and the house is way cleaner now. It's like women do not understand what work and hardship are, and cry at the most meager of obstacles. I know watching babies all day is hard, but doing that as YOUR FUCKING JOB should be a piece of cake. I'm ranting, my experience with marriage so far. Don't recommend it, too many problems. Babies are the driving force in my life though, I don't know what I would do without them.
>Kill traditional family and gender roles
>Why won't the men marry me .jpeg
>women they are this daft
I told myself I would only get married If I could get a high-quality Scandinavian girl.Unfortunately they are all being gang-fucked by Syrians these days so it's unlikely.
honestly I can make women feel comfortable and shit, and the funny thing is, there's nothing that chases them away faster. Make them feel unhappy and uncomfortable and fuck them until they mindbreak and they won't stop coming back for more. It's really fucked up.
>Why are young men not getting married?
The costs outweigh the benefits.
Statistics are skewed, show the percentage aged 25 to 34 since the paradigm has shifted and nobody gets married before that age anymore. I'd wager it's not as dire as this makes out.
All I want is a virgin, traditional, qt who will take care of my house and raise our children. I'm thinking of pretending to be Catholic just to find one. It's cool for girls if they want to slut around but I'm not going to marry a slutty girl. No hymen, no diamond.
sorry... per the last thread.. women are whores by nature. show you have a big cock and they all fall in line
for example all it took was this exchange, now it's a "what are we doing" happening..
2 from one woman and 1 from another woman. I work hard for the first two because the other woman wants nothing to do with me and cucked some bitch ass nigga into raising my kid lol. I may also have lots of kids in America because I fuck many white women without condoms everytime I go on vacation.
Wonderful. White men are no longer reproducing. A war one without a single bullet fired. Our LORD is a G-d of war! He crushed the pharaoh's chariots! He has delivered the enemy into our hands and we have inherited the kingdom! The world is ours! 1000 years of peace will now follow with the Messiah at it's head.
All Hail YVHV!
>Make them feel unhappy and uncomfortable and fuck them until they mindbreak and they won't stop coming back for more. It's really fucked up.
Why is this sort of evil shit the only option available. I just want to be a good guy, I don't want to feel like the oppressive bastard responsible for all their misery.
I'm not proud of this but when I was in my mid 20s, I had affairs with two married women from my church. In both cases, they had cheated on their husbands with other men before and after me. For all I know, they may have each had other men on the side while cheating with me. And this wasn't a liberal Unitarian type church, this was Church of Christ. We don't go in for that type of crap... or at least I thought. I wasn't even hard to get these women to come over and fuck. They were bored with their lives and their marriages. I'm in my late 30s now and feel regret for having fucked married women but in a way it was a good thing because not only did it show me the true nature of women, even "good" church women, but also showed how easy it is for women to cheat.
I've looked them both up on Facebook. They're still married and they both have children. I have to wonder how many of their kids are fathered by someone other than their unsuspecting husbands.
Pic not my actual church.
At least I reproduced man unlike your white ass bitching about white genocide and shit instead of just cumming in white women you meet randomly to continue your race or something.
It all boils down to incentives.
Women are now whores. Feminism made independent strong women, just like men.
Strips women into a liberal fuck hole that doesn't want children and hates men.
Family values, femininity and procreation is stripped from our contemporary women.
Why would men want a loud mouth fuck hole. When we would watch Japanese porn.
Where is the best place to find a gf that respects traditional values?
Men would be getting married if there were women to marry and there was still a thing as a stable and solid family unit.
But this is no longer the case. Go back 80 years and women were still loyal and womanly. The family structure wasn't completely destroyed by progressives and feminists. Marxism didn't drive a wedge between men and women. Politics weren't messing with family and marriage all the time.
People came together to seek a partner to marry. Families were important. Now that is no longer the case, many men and women only want to lead a hedonistic bachelor life. Courtship was replaced by this hook up culture meat market we have now. Men who actually want to seek a decent wife are going to have a hard time, many of them ultimately give up or go abroad.
>I have to wonder how many of their kids are fathered by someone other than their unsuspecting husbands.
There's a reason why feminists try to and often succeed in making paternity tests illegal.
A lot of misinfo infecting tge minds of men and women alike
Thinking you can be Peter Pan forever is a big problem with Gen Y. They don't realize if they miss the window to have a family, they will just turn into creepy old guys with no one to vouch for them. Literally doomed to die alone and unloved.
Or course, this requires being a decent man, marrying a decent woman, having balls, and sticking to it.
>fuck 10 year old daughter who loves you more than anything and calls you daddy.
what is wrong with you, sickfuck?!
Seriously, there is no scenario where this is appealing. They might call you "daddy" in your pale cuck language, but you will never be "papi."
I'm 23. I'm recently engaged. I've been with my fiancee for 6 years. She's an amazing homemaker (cooks me fantastic meals, cleans house) and she works full-time. She's at least as conservative as I am (strong dislike for anybody who isn't white or completely Westernized), and she doesn't steal my money (because she has her own). We're like a perfect couple from the '50s, save for the fact that she works.
Seriously /pol/, quit being NEET betalords and get a girlfriend who you can make into a wife and have 2.5 babies with.
Like everything else that may have held some semblance of meaning, our wonderful modern world wrecked it. Don't come crying to me, you idiots are the ones who pushed for all this. I'm not cleaning up your pile of shit.
>all these beta virgin pussies bitching about women
If you are an alpha male women will respect you. What's with all these MGTOW faggot threads? We get it. You are shit with women so they leave you for real men. Jesus /pol/. Man the fuck up, stop fucking around and put a ring on that finger. Low iq people divorce a lot. What are you guys niggers? Quit your bitching, man the fuck up, wife the girl and serve your fucking country. Western civilation depends on it.
Don't try to reinvent the wheel.
Healthy monogamy results in a longer, happier life.
Trying to live like a hip teenager forever is just depressing. Age gracefully and with dignity. Leave a respectable family behind and a legacy.
Do just wank through life like a hedonist.
The other anon said it. You're raising someone else's kid from a different race and culture.
I'm sure you think that's swell, but a lot of people don't. When she's an adult she'll probably never talk to him.
Your terminology is a little too colorful for my taste, but you have struck on many good points. I just thought I would add another point:
Men in the West have been raised to believe that their value as men is derived from a woman's estimation of their usefulness. Recently, and very recently at that, men have begun to liberate themselves from this particular choke collar, or rather, changing gender roles have pushed this idea onto them.
hollywood divorces are proof that not even the most ideal alpha males can satiate the insane polygamous desire of a woman meaning no matter who you act they always cheat. THEY ALWAYS CHEAT. ALWAYS.
Give it 2-3 years, leafbro, and she'll flip. If she doesn't, you're a lucky son of a tree.
Oh man, the last couple of chicks I met for dates were 29, and holy shit they were both just broken. One of them wanted me to roleplay as a violent rapist an hour after meeting her.
>this logic does not apply here
pic related is the logic that applies there
Women tend to marry older men so the percentage for the 20-34 age group is a bit lower for women because some married men over 34 but it's still pretty high. Think around 63% but you'd have to Google to be sure.
As a matter of definition only a small minority can be alpha, and the effect of market liberalization was to hyper-attenuate tastes. It's like if your advice to blacks was to commit suicide and hope for reincarnation.
I should learn to be less vulgar.
Thanks, i will learn.
How about rape? I don't even see the point of rape anymore. It is a biological mechanism that will result only in bad consequences. Jail time and abortion.
I am really running low on distraction. The whores are boring me nowadays.
it's not. You two just haven't stuck around long enough after you've "broke" them.
I've stuck around after breaking in a few gals. I realized with this last one that's exactly what you're supposed to do. It's also exactly what they want. It's not "evil" if a woman naturally wants to be "broken". The mistake you guys are making is judging women on the same criteria you judge men (A man hates being owned, a woman loves it!). Women want to be taken care of, they want to be owned, they want a man to "break" them, they want a man to take responsibility for them. In my perspective, they want a man that will own his responsibilities, and they put high barriers on that judgement. When a woman finally "breaks" they finally trust you completely. They finally will allow you to own them.
You should "break" a woman. They want it.
The biggest lie we've been told is that we're equal. We're not. Women will not respect a man who treats them equally. It's not evil. It's normal. The evil is that we're told equality is normal, and male dominance is the real evil.
Just "break" your women, and pick the "broken" woman you like the most.
check out this fucken crazy... I was sad this was a chick I had a huge crush on in school.
Were you the only person she'd ever been with? My girlfriend was a virgin when we started dating and she'd never been in a serious relationship with anybody else. She's very dependent on me to keep her happy, that's really the only issue that I have with her. I'm the only person she seeks validation through.
I'm pretty positive that she'd rather dip her face is a vat of acid than cheat on me. That's how much she loves me. She's pretty outspoken about how terrible it is that so many girls are riding the cock carousel and I've never found her to be hypocritical. She's stupidly honest, to the point or naivete.
Lol, I'm not Asian (nor is she). We don't live in Vancouver (nor do we live in Toronto).
I doubt it. She's changed very little since high school (grew a little more mature). Unless she becomes mentally unstable, I can't foresee her having some terrible change of heart that'd make her want to become a whore. She's a homebody. She doesn't go out to clubs or bars with her friends (and on the off-time that she does go, she brings me along and complains to me about how we shouldn't have gone out because clubs/bars suck). She's practically attached to me at the hip.
Yeah, because most of those women are pampered and get their panties in a bunch when the man they're with doesn't treat them like royalty 100% of the time. Many of them just want yesmen.
It's just hilarious how jaded so many people seem about the opposite sex. The vast majority of these people are pretty ridiculous themselves and have the most twisted view about relationships; it's really no wonder that every relationship they enter into fails. They go into them with a losing mindset.
It's like they have a single bad experience (typically in adolescence) and they think that the rest of their life will be the same in regards to relationships.
Lemme give everyone a hint: relationships take WORK. Love is something that is BUILT.
Family values have been ruined, and most males were not taught how to be men. The mainstream image of masculinity has gone from being stoic, working hard, and loving your woman to driving an oversized pickup truck and behaving like a manchild
I should add to this, you don't have to make them unhappy to "break" them. You just have to weather their tantrums and spurts of faux independence (this is easier, but not necessary, if you fuck em good enoguh). You never have to make your woman feel like she's not important to you, but you have to let her know that *she is replaceable*. Once she knows that she needs you more than you need her, she'll act right. If you let her think that you need her more than she needs you, she'll act fucked up. That's all it is.
That's why you're a man who can control his emotion, and she's a woman who can't. She doesn't want a woman gushing over her, she wants a man that she has to behave for. She's programmed for obedience, you just have to buy into your own programming for dominance.
Mistakes teach the lesson, be willing to fail.
its anecdotal, and maybe ive known shitty females, but none of the married females ive personally known, have been faithful to their husbands. similar to what seems to be the experience of this anon i quoted. i dont know whats going on with that. bit disturbing. these arent stupid women. most of them are quite smart.
reminds of that song about an ugly wife being the best companion a man could get.
>Lemme give everyone a hint: relationships take WORK. Love is something that is BUILT.
Only men work, women dont do jack fucking shit to build the relationship, honestly everytime you arent fucking your gf it feels like a waste of time being around them. A woman will give out her cookie to any Chad(COOL HANDSOME ALPHA DUDE) while you have to work for it unless you are in the club or at a party where they stop that "Oh Im not like those kind of girls" bullshit and give up the pussy already.
I brought it hollywood because the men in there are the close to darwinian ideal male that all women lust for and they still cheat on them which is pure insanity.
That's not how it works. The guy with the black suit who has a much younger girl chained up in his house and who makes lots of overly complex plans to advance his position doesn't get to claim he's the good guy and that he's doing the right thing.
You're probably trying to open up some gate to the netherworld so you can achieve ultimate power.
I would very much like to be married. What deters me is the risk, because of divorce law, that all the hard work I put into feathering the nest for our children would then turn out to benefit some other man she leaves me for and has children with instead. In my bed, in my house.
Women are commonly obese these days too, and SJWs/feminists, but feel as if you should find that appealing and are appalled if you don't. I am not attracted to such creatures.
Oculus Rift exists now and within the next few years there will be some sort of motorized dick milking peripheral for it that plugs into USB and syncs with what's happening in the game.
Stuff like this is better than sex with the sort of fat obnoxious swamp mutant I would have to settle for, and when you remove sex from the list of motivations to be at all involved with women there's just not a lot left that can overcome the much longer list of downsides.
This is not to say that thin women with more agreeable politics don't exist but one of the effects of feminism has been to unbalance the dating world such that women are able to command much more fit, appealing mates than they should.
That's rad if you're a woman, well done. But it sucks if you're a man. Why risk losing everything I've worked for in divorce court, to a frumpy gross porkmonster who is two or even three times my weight when I can just turn inward and spend my money on myself? On my hobbies and various forms of self gratification?
>Do they not want to make women happy anymore?
Just because they are not happy with marriage anymore. We're living on the Discardable Culture. We're conditioned that, if something doesn't work, just replace it. Not just things, but relationships too. We hate to wait, we hate long-lasting things.
Sincerely, I would prefer to raise a child all by myself. As a single dad. I prefer to commit myself to a child than a woman. Because it would be entirely my fault if he/she fails me. Because I would have failed on teaching him/her values such as respect.
Women steal all nice inside jobs, so guys work shitier jobs and continue living at parent's home, girls reject guys for living with their parents and not making more than them.
I work where 32 people in a meeting and 2 are guys. Women took all the best jobs but have no initiative for seeking relationships and mostly have no interest in hooking up, and they have no tolerance for guys not independent.
Most of the guys I know live with parents still and we are all late 20's early 30's.
I'm one of 2 that are married and we both have our own places and good jobs.
Welp, that's it, the white race is going to end now because feminism. Let this teach the world a lesson.
I've known a few (mostly men). Generally well liked and never rubbed it in anyone's face. When asked why they were veg they would give their reason, but the people that butthurt over the whole "vegan/vegetarian" thing were primarily overweight and generally unpleasant to be around. Hell I was vegetarian for a year until I started eating fish again to maintain a weight class.
Honestly dude, you sound like you've had a rough night. You should probably just sleep it off lol.
How dependent on you was she? Did her life seem to revolve around you? How independent was she? Did she spend a lot of time with "friends" who might have been bad influences? What were her political views -- was she liberal or conservative? Did you continually support her, appreciate her, and give her the love that she needed to feel safe and secure?
I seriously have a hard time believing that your woman took a complete 180 and decided to ruin your relationship. She probably did it because she felt that you were neglecting her or taking her for granted. I mean, it's possible, but it just seems highly improbable that she did that if the relationship was stable, loving, and reciprocal.
That's a stupid plan, woman can garnish up to 50% of your wages for child support.
what you should do for this is lie to people about your name and info. Never let them meet your family and use a pre paid cell phone that you can ditch.
Get them pregnant then bail.
High iq couples have less divorce. Asian families stick together. It is losers like you who will NEVER be able to be a man that women will have.
Maybe instead of blaming women for your utter failures as a man you should start being alpha bro. Women crave alphas who can provide. Not man children who bitch at women for not settling for mediocre dixk
>Did you continually support her, appreciate her, and give her the love that she needed to feel safe and secure?
How to dry a vagina 101
Also notice you are canadian your men are usually pussy worshipping betas as well.
The hero is supposed to come from a humble background, and have a short sword, and dress in light colors, and go to great lengths to help out those in need.
Christian Grey is a villain type and he's controlling and abusive.
I got another 4-5 IPA's before calling quits, but appreciate the thought man.
Ok, I was her first, so everything I said mattered to her.. I got on her a few times because she would continually ask me what to do all the time..
She was conservative..
I excelled in my career, so much so that she never had to work a day.
fyi i make about 140k/yr
Towards the end, she flipped to liberal, everything I did was oppressive..I mean this women literally blamed me that she didn't have any hobbies.. literally wtf
I think a lot of it was her mother feeding her mind, but after she left her facebook open one day and saw how they were planning to use me until she could leave, I kicked her straight the hell out
ive had lots of Asians. I just wont marry. Sorry
Im pretty alpha. I train MMA and wrecked pussy because I was a stud in high school wrestling. Keep talking about people online you dont know "bro" you sound so cool.
First because the father is not the Head of the family anymore, media portrait the father as the stupid one in the family. Being a father doesn't give you respect anymore.
Second, long time ago single guys between 25 and 35 were catalog as weirdos, nowadays girls prefer mature guys economically stable.
Third, Before a single life was a life of loneliness. Now we have the internet and nice video games.
Fourth, before unmarried girls refuse sex now is different.
Fifth, girls are more important than guys have more privileges and law supports them, so if you decide to divorce you lose your kids, your house and you have to pay alimony as well.
Sitxh, you aboid responsibility and dealing with someone shit and dramas.
In other words single life have more to offer than married life.
Because why should I foot the bill for everything and be the one to lose half of everything when we inevitably divorce if we're equal?
Fuck marriage. These nasty whores aren't worth marrying anyway.
Plus, I despise most of the girls I know because they love to create problems where they aren't.
But I know it can have a happy ending though. My older sister is married, has two children. She and her husband get along pretty nicely. I just have to find "that" woman.
>lying on 4chan
LMAO. Sorry you got cucked hard bro. Maybe next time you should get a women below your level so you'll have a *chance at keeping her and pumping babies in her(unlikely since you are beta cuck man child)
>I'm pretty positive that she'd rather dip her face is a vat of acid than cheat on me. That's how much she loves me. She's pretty outspoken about how terrible it is that so many girls are riding the cock carousel and I've never found her to be hypocritical. She's stupidly honest, to the point or naivete.
Paste that part of your post in a file on a USB stick and title it "Open in 2021" and then try not to die from cringing too hard. One of two things is happening here: (1) you have just happened to find the one girl who is magically different from all the rest, or (2), you are thinking the exact same thing that all 3D loving men think. Every man outside of Sweden is caught by surprise the day he comes home a little too early and walks in on Jamal mouthfucking his 3DPD wife despite the fact that that's what has happened with every other girl he's dated before.
Just marry an Amish or Mormon girl already, is that so difficult you fucking cucks?
>Man the fuck up
fuck you bitch you can tell me what to do I decide what masculinity means. Marriage is for manginas enslave to the pussy. I am a free man and I can do whatever the fuck I want.
>beachboy thinks decent women want chad thundercock treating them like shit
That's the kind of thing shit-tier women want. They like "adventure" and think that fucking a bunch of randoms without any strings attached (and becoming emotionally stunted and damaged in the process) is a great idea.
It's the same for men. If you're some fuckboy who thinks that fucking randoms makes you a man's man, you're ruining yourself emotionally and psychologically. You devalue forming deep interpersonal relationships and instead value something that's frivolous and immature. On top of that, you're only going to attract those shit-tier women.
A relationship isn't based on one-sided affection. It needs to be reciprocal. It's based on mutual respect. Putting the pussy on a pedestal fucks up relationships. You're not respecting a woman as a person when you do this, you're idealizing and objectifying them. And I'm not saying "objectifying" in some feminist bullshit sense. I mean, you're removing her from a deep interpersonal relationship because you no longer judge her based on her, you're judging her on some idiotic fantasy. It's harming YOU, not her, when you objectify her. All this does is make the woman feel that she's better than you and she stops respecting you. The moment that happens, you're fucked and you've lost her.
Respect your woman and she'll respect you. That's how you build lasting relationships.
I feel your pain desu, when I was 21, my dad made a retarded girl give me head and I felt horrible.
at the end of the day though.. it didn't really matter, so why the not go for it sempai
>even they don't know what the fuck do they want.
Getting into a relationship with a woman is like playing Russian roulette every single day. Marriage was supposed to be the thing that took away that revolver, but thanks to modern feminism that revolver is loaded with more shots than just one now.
>That he doesn't like the idea of this other mans happiness.
Wasting time raising some other man's child is the opportunity cost for time to raise one's own. There is no way that is better. Just because that man had to settle just means he is a beta faggot like yourself.
>lying on 4chan
LMAO. Sorry you got cucked hard bro. Maybe next time you should get a women below your level so you'll have a *chance at keeping her and pumping babies in her(unlikely since you are beta cuck man child)
your just immature. you'll grow out of it. and learn to turn away women who just want a wedding and easy life of leaching.
>That's the kind of thing shit-tier women want.
This is literally the thing that beta males say to deny all women are polygamous sluts that dont give a shit about you at all. Only way to treat a woman is to treat them like shit because for some insane reason they dont like it when you treat them in a civilized manner.
How was your relationship with her mother? Did she work, or did she choose not to because you could provide for her? Was there an age difference? How did she "flip" liberal?
Moms can be worse than friends, they have a kind of authority over their child and if the mom has an issue with you then there's a good chance she'll try to poison the relationship (my grandmother -- father's mom -- did this to my parents; she constantly second-guessed my mother in front of my father, told my mother that she wasn't doing a good job of anything, and tried to ruin their relationship... eventually my mom put her foot down and told my grandmother to shut the fuck up; my dad respected her for that). Some moms seem to be weird like that. They think that their child's spouse is stealing their child away from them and react very cynically. Pair that with a woman who isn't working and doesn't have hobbies and you've got a ripe ground for a poisoned mind and relationship.
"This Judaizing of our spiritual life and mammonizing of our natural instinct for procreation will sooner or later work havoc with our whole posterity. For instead of strong, healthy children, blessed with natural feelings, we shall see miserable specimens of humanity resulting from economic calculation. For economic considerations are becoming more and more the foundations of marriage and the sole preliminary condition of it. And love looks for an outlet elsewhere."
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, pg 207.
>It is him choosing to spend his time as he so chooses
So raising another man's child is totally the best decision ear! It's the greatest because he chose it! If he had better options, he would take those instead, but he instead chose to settle for a single mom who needs a stepdad to do her bidding and be her babysitter. Hopefully the man gets compensation for his loss. Otherwise he is a complete cuck.
>no issue with being cucked
Go ahead and raise Tyrone's kid, cuck. His alpha genes can get passed on, your line of beta, shit-tier genes can finally die out like it should've long ago.
Her mom was a bit adersaverial towards me.. I was the one that told her husband she was cheating on him... which was when I first met my exwife.
she worked, at times a 12/hr job but rarely, she didn't have to because I provided. Taking 12 months to find a job I would say she didn't feel the need to.. though once I kicked her out she found a job with in a month.
The flip came when I was at the hieght of fighting to make it in my career.. maybe i didn't spend as much time with her as I did.. but I was working for us as I thought in my mind.
I am married. Took going homeless to make me trust her enough, but she went homeless with me rather than moving in with family (which was a very viable option).
Went homeless in Kansas from a September to the following February. If that isn't love and dedication, I don't know what is.
That said, how many women do you know that would go homeless with you, rather than have a home without you? If you know one, she's worth marrying. If she isn't willing to, then she isn't worth marrying.
Even then, we aren't having kids, because we are both Libertarian, and hate the way the country is going. We don't want to subject our children to it, so, even though we both want children, we aren't having them.
Don't blame men for the fact that the vast majority of women don't actually love their partners, and don't blame men for not having children because women are too stupid to see what is going to happen to their children a few years from now.
Here's reality.. I supported my wife for 10 years.. she never worked, i cared for here.. but the minute I told her to leave I became lesser than a man beating baby seals according to anyone she talked to..
so what does it really matter, if you see the relationship out long enough, eventually you become the villain
and you trendy that by... getting married? what do they mean by perpetual adolescence? video games and getting drunk?
these people need to establish a definition of their terms because the implications and possible interpretations are so broad
Im 38, self employed, live on my own in my house i am paying off.
Haven't dated for about 8 years because i just gave up.
My friends new girlfriend tried to set me up with her 27 year old freind.
At first i said no. But then i thought, yeah why not, but to make it a double date so all 4 of us go incase she felt uncomfortable.
Without even meeting me, she said no, because she found out i was blue collar, and she wants a man who works in a suit and smells nice when she comes home.
>Without even meeting me, she said no, because she found out i was blue collar, and she wants a man who works in a suit and smells nice when she comes home.
Fucking cunt. Why is it that med are expected to have realistic expectations of women but society tells girls only to accept prince charming or whatever. Goddamn, that's some shit.
Whores love Jamal's dick because they're whores. My fiancee is most certainly not a whore, considering that she's never touched a dick that isn't mine.
Yes, I did. Because it seemed to fit perfectly in context.
I'm sorry that you're a failed Chad, but you really, REALLY need to stop surrounding yourself with shit-tier women. Might be hard though, considering that you seem like a shit-tier man who can't get past the "ALL WOMEN ARE WHORES" meme.
The adversarial mom bit is a bit of a red flag, a lot of people grow up to be very similar to their parents (go figure).
Honestly, it seems like she was bored. Boredom does bad things to people. Not bored of the relationship necessarily, but bored of her life. Did she go to school for anything? Why wasn't she attempting to make use of her skills in some way? Being unproductive leads to boredom, which leads to stupid decisions (look at stereotypical "rebellious" teenagers).
The fact that she was bored when you were most distant from her was probably the crux of the issue. I agree that it's a shit thing to do to you when you're trying to make your lives better, but I have a feeling that I can understand her mindframe. She probably thought that your lives were perfectly stable and didn't need "more." As such, she might have felt that you pushing further into your career was "selfish" (idiotic thing to believe, but it fits with emotional "logic"). Because of the boredom, the distance in the relationship, and what she perceived as your "selfishness," she thought she'd look elsewhere.
You've probably already thought about all of this stuff, so sorry to bring it up again if its a difficult topic for you. But it all centers around my point of distance and a lack of sufficient reciprocity in the relationship. It seems like there might have been little effort both ways (she was bored, you were distant), which caused the relationship to rupture.
Just my two cents.
mfw when that's me I'm just a little younger but I don't have a house yet -- but I am starting to think that my credit is good enough now
kek, buying a house just for one person, the new american dream
Disney generation. Only dated one girl that didn't have a massive fascination with at least one Disney story. Just gotta get my degree and career going. Don't give a fuck if shes 10 or 15 years younger, I am willing to wait. I don't have ovaries that will wither up and die once I hit 40.
My mormon girlfriend cheated on me. Seeing all these suggestions to find a "pure traditional mormon girl" makes me feel like shit, because if I couldn't even keep her faithful, what hope do I have to keep any woman faithful?
Marriage is a construct created in order to guarantee financial enslavement from the man. It's covert legal prostitution, but you have to stay with the same woman and are threatened with half your free shit lol.
So you are telling everyone in this thread their woman will leave them and then to give half of all their financial assets to that very same creature... and then you speak about low IQ. Nice projection.
This is a caricature bro.
It also reminds me of that scene in Watchmen where Dr. Manhattan becomes some sort of superman with the gift of ubiquity. Basically the perfect being. And even though he pleases his woman in every way possible, she is not really pleased because he does not give her all of his attention being that he can be doing other things at the same time.
Well said. Learned all this by trial and error. I remember I used to think fawning over them would improve the relationship.
Now I just command the girl I'm with and she's willingly at my beck and call. Convincingly enough, she says its very attractive when I'm controlling.
If you're after a Mormon girl, keep in mind that the one goal they have in life is to get locked down and bred hard. You don't date Mormons. You marry them and turn them into brood queens and pay your fucking tithe.
Too many women my age just like to get drunk and go to clubs, almost everyone in my college is like that. While I do enjoy to drink with people I just like having small gatherings at the bar. Even so called "nice girls" all go to the club and get drunk, sure they are just going with their friends and don't intend on hooking up with Chadwick but I just don't trust anyone that goes out for drinks every weekend.
I just know from experience that people who drink regularly will break your trust eventually and it WILL happen, it doesn't matter how much self control you have, you can't always control your actions when intoxicated and trust is THE most important part of a relationship, it's the fucking keystone.
So, unless women want to stop whoring around every weekend at the club I probably won't even find a gf anytime soon, everyone claims "I'm not like the other girls" but they go to clubs so yes bitch you are like the other girls.
I just find clubs and the whole "rave life" degenerate, I don't care if you go to the bar but when you're going to the club it's become more than just a drinking thing.
Never been cheated on but I know people that have and it's always because the chick goes out to the club with her friends, gets too drunk and the WAD YOU YA KNOW.
Only girls at my college that aren't like this are Asian girls so I'll probably end up with an Asian in the future, don't know whether it's unfortunate or for the better.
There is this pretty popular (and awesome) novel by a french author named Boris Vian called «L'arrache-coeur» or «Heartsnatcher» in which a psychiatrist stumbles on a really strange town full of strange people to analyse. There is this woman who drives her husband away on a sailboat and she is left alone with her three kids. She gets progressively more obsessively protective and, by the end of the book, the 3 children are litterally put in cages in their house for their safety.
Boris Vian said in an interview late in his life that he wanted to do a follow up in which the dad returned and had the key to free the children and make them discover the world outside...
That book was written in 1953...
This behavior was known for a while. People need to get their head out of their ass.
And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
>you can't always control your actions when intoxicated
false. literally the only time you're not able to control your actions completely is when you're blackout drunk and if you have any semblance of self control you won't blackout
but women are naturally more inclined to give in and cheat so your argument is stronger there. most women will eventually cheat after being hit on by chad especially while drunk
>men dont mature!
>men dont want to take responsibility!
Or maybe men grew up enough to see how discriminatory the marriage and custody laws are and how vile and unreliable the marxism-indoctrinated females have become.
There are not many fools who want to get trapped by pussy only to lose 50% of your possession, a house and kids and then be forced to finance her for over decade once the love inevitably ends.
Guys are at fault that women act like sluts, bang every halfway decent looking guy, have two children but no fathers at mid twenty and then when they finally look for some faggot to take care of them and their two hellspawn nobody wants to step up.
I mean hey, they go back to their slut ways before long and take most of your stuff with them aswell as having to pay for their children but a real men does just that!
a lot of the SJW feminazis who work in journalism/media are starting to realize they're old and nobody wants them anymore. no more random guys whistling at them, no more guys proposing marriage, no attention, nothing.
biological clock ticking into overtime. only wrinkles, belly fat, and crushing loneliness. these feminist women are now desperate as fuck to marry and have kids because all their sane/non feminist/reformed female friends are in happy long term relationships, and have a happy family to come home to every night. meanwhile the feminazis come home to angry anti-male tumblr post, coffee, and cats.
alienate men for years and expect them to "man" up in a moment's notice
Women may be the problem today, but it was real men with real power who gave women the right to vote back in the 1900's, and again when it came to no-fault divorce.
Don't let cucks take power.
We've been on a long decline since way before anyone on /pol/'s been born.
4chan is full of armchair misogynists why simply hate women because they can't be arsed to put in the effort to make a relationship work. Many people think that relationships should just magically sustain themselves, which is why many people rush into getting married thinking that their honeymoon phase will last forever. Once they realize that they need to work at the relationship and take responsibility for it, they feel overwhelmed and stop putting effort into it, leading it to fall apart.
Lack of respect for the relationship itself is another big factor, not just a lack of respect for one's partner.
>pic related, what many people think relationships/marriages are like intrinsically
even russland where sjws and radfems don't exist is full of 30+ y/o lonely 'independent women' and men are either taken or fuck younger sloots and don't care to marry, I believe divorce rate is sick too
child custody here is anti-men as well btw
The media also promotes this image of finding the 'right one', holding out for a soulmate like none other. This kind of thinking gives people far less incentive to settle and work things out, when throughout history marriage wasn't even about love but for procreation purposes and the mother and father were forced to work things out.
yeah 70% who dont bother to marry must have soggy knees too
dont be a dumb cunt, the system incentives you to break up and walk away with bunch of money and 'pension' for years to come, its not just gender roles, the marriage is basically rigged to break by the laws and modern societal norms
>4chan is full of armchair misogynists why simply hate women because they can't be arsed to put in the effort to make a relationship work.
It's a two way street, and there's rarely a woman who can be fucked to do her part. You complain about misogyny, but won't hold women to the same standards that you hold men. I wonder why that could be?
>the boyim must comply to our demands!
I can see some truth to that. To be quite honest, there are a bunch of "right ones." The issue is that all of the right ones get paired off with other right ones, leaving all of the wrong ones to pair up and then bitch about how they can't find any the "right one." The fact of the matter is that the "right ones" understand how relationships work while the rest have no clue and continue to "bash their heads against the wall" hoping for better results next time despite leaving their previous relationship with no new knowledge to apply to their next one.
"The system?" Take some pride and responsibility in your relationships. It's your job to make your relationships work. If you think that there's some big, bad, evil system -- be it the media, society, or government -- that's fucking up all your relationships, I agree, you shouldn't be in a relationship because you don't understand the damned concept.
There are a lot of women who do their part. There are just a lot more women who don't. Just as there are a lot of men who do their part, but a lot more men who don't.
I hold both men and women to the same standards. On 4chan, because the demographic is mostly male, it's kind of obvious that misogyny would be the flavour of the day. But in my personal life, I've met and know a large number of women who "hate men" because they think they're all a bunch of juvenile assholes. Every one of these women are exactly the same as the juvenile asshole men that they hate. They can't attract a decent man because they're indecent women. But they don't realize that, because they can't admit to themselves that they need to become a better person to deserve a better person. They're entitled twats. Just like the whinging losers on 4chan who can't admit that they're garbage people. Both shitty men and shitty women get into shitty relationships with each other and then blame each other when the relationship fails.
>Look at flag
>See it's neostralia
Look m8o, you can't say relationships exist in a vacuum. If they did, then yes, taking responsibility for them would be easy and logical. However we exist in a system where half of the participants have nothing to fear in a break-up, and the other half risk losing most of their shit thanks to the ebil system.
Human nature is mostly monogamous, but maybe sometimes people will cheat. Hell, maybe they'll just fantasize about ditching the relationship and seeking out Chad Thundercock/Stacy Vacuumlips. Which half of the relationship equation do you think has the most leverage here?
Stop treating love like a Disney movie. It's not. It's real life with real people who have real flaws. One day you may understand.
NEETdom is a disease spreading through the first-world countries.
Things nowadays are so accessible, people don't even bother..
>women wanted careers
>job market doubled in size
>while many jobs were becoming automated
>men have no reason to feel proud of anything they do and have no reason to work hard at anything they do
>western women are overly entitled self important whores who are so self absorbed they can barely feel love for their own children outside of their own mental obligation instilled in them by societal and cultural programming
>people are wondering why young men don't give a fuck anymore
Go back through the rest of the thread and read my other posts. Love ISN'T a Disney movie. Love requires work. Relationships require work. If you don't work on them, they fall apart. It's not a Disney movie where two people just end up together, la-dee-dah. Doesn't work that way.
If there isn't a strong level of mutual respect in a relationship, it will fail. This is what people don't understand. This lack of understanding (which is complicit with the Disney Relationship Belief System™) is the reason why people jump into relationships and then blame the other person when the relationship falls apart. Shit isn't going to be hunky dory if you don't work to keep it that way.
It's clear you didn't understand the underlying message of the post you quoted. Not that I should have expected that you did, considering your greentext. This post >>61145100
is where you'll find the basic idea that I'm laying out.
I've seen tons of shit "going on around." I've watched a bunch of idiots jump into relationships without understanding how to sustain them and then hating the opposite sex for "ruining the relationship" when the demise of the relationship was mutual. The issue is people running away from responsibility and not wanting to put the effort in to sustain a relationship.
People who understand how to keep a stable relationship and get into a relationship with another person who knows how to sustain a stable relationship... guess what? AMAZINGLY, they maintain a relationship! Wow, whoda thunk it?
/pol/ is redpilled on this. With the exception of the white knight faggot, most here understand that the system is rigged against men.
Man acts shitty in a relationship? Woman leaves with all his shit.
Woman acts shitty in a relationship? She still gets your shit in the divorce.
Even worse is if confronted about bad behavior, most here have stories where the women either ignores it or actively tries to get thrills outside the relationship. Most here are fed up with it and are taking the single route.
>live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future.
Lol what in the fuck are they talking about
They keep saying this but it doesnt make any sense
Not getting married doesnt mean not having children or a family
In fact im pretty sure not getting married actually increases your chances of having a stable family, all the chicks who really want to get married now are total ex sluts just looking to secure a beta provider and then cheat on him
Young women make about as much as young men now, so they can just leave you and don't really need alimony or child support. But they still get it. Shits fucked, I should atleast be allowed to tell her to get an abortion or not have to pay 18 years for her to not have to pay the consequences of having sex for fun
I'm probably getting a vasectomy
I understood, but I'm saying the system *is* to blame, because you still seem content to treat relationships as existing in some sort of strange, Disney-esque vacuum where the relationship *is* the foundation of the world, and not vice versa.
Before, the woman didn't want to leave the man because she'd be seen as useless in society, and the man didn't want to leave because he'd lose most of his shit.
Now society not only values a single independent womxn, but actively encourages it through degenerate programs and entertainment. The womxn now loses nothing in a divorce, whereas the man is still heavily penalized.
You're staking all your possessions on finding someone who's respectable and decent. Most of us, 70% of us, aren't willing to make such a steep gamble.
Until you can refute this, my point about it being the system to blame, and not the relationship still stands.
Anon, you'd probably laugh at me... but I'm 18 and I've never had a girlfriend.
The fault is completely mine, I'm aware of that...but how do I change positively?
I know that it isn't gonna be easy.
Work out, eat right, and find hobbies that you enjoy and that may make you seem interesting. You are already making concessions about being at fault, so I think it's safe to say you're not an autistic beta neckbeard sperglord, and I'll bet people are okay around you!
Become comfortable with yourself, and know what you want in a woman, and then...Seek her out! Women are just people (that usually smell nicer) and are pretty easy to talk to if you talk to them like a friend, and not an object.
I will say in my experience women like a strong mate. Alpha? Eh, doesn't have to be. Just be a strong support for her or whatever she needs, while still following the mantra that you also deserve to enjoy the relationship.
I'll bet you can do it!
Marriage is fucked from the start anon.
I know it may sound wild when you're bluepilled, but women are born to fuck alphas (not you) and to blackmail betas into raising their kids. Did you know, that Homo Sapiens is the only speacies wich females have 365 days reproductive period? Animals have estrous cycle, but our women need to take care of a kid for at least 6 years - that is an outstanding period of time, provided by the need to develop an intelligence. Therefore they need obidient beta-cuck binded by pity-fuck (even promises of one) to the wife 365 days a year.
I fucked a 10/10 girls brains out for two years and never took her on dates or gave her attention and was generally mean as fuck
All we did was fuck. Even when I dumped her for no real reason other than being bored of her and being tired of her whining
You don't marry a whore. You either pay her the agreed price for access to her vagina (or whichever hole is of interest to you), or you punch her in the mouth after she provides the service and walk out.
It depends upon how strong her pimp is and if you fear him or not.
I guess I'll post my shit here.
I'm relatively young (sub 30). I am pending divorce. Most of this shit I've been reading has been horrifyingly accurate in this thread.
I started inadvertently dating a girl who was a 9/10. At my peak I was a 7/10, when I met her I was a 6 (first red flag). My interest in her was exclusively sexual at first. Over a short amount of time we spend a lot of time together and she develops intense feelings of attachment (2nd red flag) that I do my best to ignore, but fuck....when someone as gorgeous as she is has the doe eyes and knows how to play to her strengths, it's a fucking hard spell to resist.
She fuflils all of my sexual desires at first that I'm in such a stupor that I literally override my better judgment and fuck her bareback multiple times a day, for days on end, blowing in her every time. She constantly reassures me saying she's got her cycle down (which at this point, sirens should have been screaming in my head, but her sex is the sweetest drug). She gets pregnant (shocker).
At this point I am left with a hard choice, do I grow up and commit myself to the relationship with her as she is obviously in love with me? Or do I flake out and take the easy road?
I committed, got married, got a new job that paid double, and solely on my income and merit alone moved us from farmville to a top 10 US city. And I made the wrong choice.
Shortly after getting married she had a miscarriage. Then after some time and comforting, she got real depressed (seemingly). The whole time, I am now solely responsible for our survival in the city, with no contacts there, and no lifelines like family to lean on. She has a shit relationship with both her parents (WHOOP WHOOP SIRENS AND FLAGS), so she has no lifelines either. Over a year, while I tear my hair out at a stressful job, fretting over our financial security and our future, she refuses to contribute in any way.
What part of 'incentivised to break up' dont you understand? you wouldn't bother to sustain when you can just walk away with massive profit and keep the children. The institution of marriage is ruined, the main reason to have family is to have kids, but women got a complete monopoly on them and at the expense of men... oops, men universally don't want to marry anymore.
If you're not an idiot, you don't rush into a marriage with someone who may not know how to sustain a relationship. Marriage is something that you need to be SURE about. People don't treat it that way anymore because they're chasing down some stupid dream and think that they can have everything sussed out in a year or two. But they can't, because they haven't had a chance to grow with that person and understand how they react to going through different phases of their life. You need to be with someone for a long period of time before you can really judge them well enough to decide if they're worthy of marriage.
Now, I'll agree that the typical system is difficult for men. But that's because typically, men have all of the power. They typically make the proposal. They're also typically the ones left holding the bill after a divorce. My view on this? They either made a shitty decision when they decided to marry that person because they misjudged them, or they were extremely unlucky in that the person completely changed for no good reason after they had been steady for a long (+5 years) period of time. Honestly, I think the latter is very rare. Most people don't change for no reason (if you notice your spouse changing for the worse, it's in your best interest to step in and fix it, in order to maintain the relationship).
I think marriages fail because people don't understand the commitment of marriage. Considering that men are typically the initiators of marriage, they kind of deserve the blame for their own poor decision. Make a poorly informed decision on who to marry, reap the results.
It's not that marriage in itself is a bad decision, it's that people don't know who the fuck to marry because they don't understand marriage.
Sex continually declines, chores are never done, meals are never made, she never goes to work, she goes to school for 2 credits total a semester. 6 literal fucking months this goes on for while I'm drowning in student loan debt and loathing the job I work.
Eventually, she admits she just wants to stay at home and occassionally let other men fuck her while I'm at work as it's a fantasy of hers. I was fucking revolted. I tried to hear her out on it, thinking that vows meant something and I owed it to my wife to hear her out, but I just wanted to fucking vomit. I tried my best to fetishize the shit, but I just couldn't do it. All I could think about was here was this fucking pathetic human who was the epitome of a parasite with no appreciation whatsoever. I kicked her out. We had a few meets about the impending divorce. We had 4k savings at the time, I told her I'd be willing to give her 1k if we could do a no-contest divorce. She said she wanted 3k. I swear to God she said "The courts will see I'm accustomed to a certain lifestyle and they'll make you give me more".
i said some things to her that were hurtful to her, I'm sure. I told her that she would also be responsible for 1/2 the debt we had and that the courts wouldn't do shit because "you couldn't even have a fucking kid and courts only give a shit about moms" or something like that. After that, it was a war. It's been hell since, boys. Don't you fucking do it. Spare yourselves the torment and the mental anguish. Spare yourselves the humiliation of going above and beyond at the call of duty, and then spat upon by feminism like you're a vet returning home from vietnam. Be smarter than them. Women are emotional and fragile creatures who ALWAYS show their true colors. You will see.
>Shortly after getting married she had a miscarriage
sorry, you got a shitty luck (or maybe she got health problems), miscarriage fucks pairs and esp women badly, otherwise it could've worked in your case
bah I meant to post about that as well. I was worried about that and pretty much begged her to see a psych, and her mother for once in her time of me knowing her asked her too as well. The wife refused, said she didn't want to go on drugs.
>Marriage is something that you need to be SURE about.
But this is not how marriage worked in the era of stable marriage, anon. Marriage worked because society heavily penalised those who broke it in many ways. Today it doesn't. So marriage doesn't work anymore. It is this simple.
Granted, some people just have poor judgement and no amount of time together with another person will help them gauge whether or not a person is worthy of marriage. For these people, it's a crapshoot.
The issue I have with your view is that you're basically making women out to be blood-sucking golddiggers. Sure, there are lots of women out there like that. Those aren't the ones you marry. If you can't tell whether or not a person holds shitty values like that after you've spent a long time in a non-marital relationship with them, you're a poor judge of character. If you recognize that a person is like that and marry them anyway, you're an idiot and deserve everything coming to you. If you jump into a marriage without taking the time to accurately judge them, you're also an idiot and deserve everything coming to you.
Complain about the system all you want, but the system only punishes bad decisions. Marriages that fail are marriages that shouldn't have happened in the first place because the two involved parties didn't understand what the fuck the concept of marriage entails.
You made a poor decision. You didn't know her well enough to get married, but you did it anyway.
She was looking for a fuckbuddy and you filled that role. You didn't marry her because she wasn't marriage material for you. I mean, personally, I despise both you and her for having a casual sexual relationship and effectively devaluing deep interpersonal relationships, but to each his own. Congrats on not making a dumb decision and marrying her, because it's clearly not the correct decision for her or you.
Socialize. Just socialize. Find girls similar to yourself. Socialize with them. As long as you're not massively creepy, you'll at the very least be able to start a friendship with them.
Honestly though, I have no real advice for getting a girlfriend. I've always just had women come to me, I've never "chased tail," so to speak.
He's not making them out to be bloodsuckers, and neither am I. Jesus Canada, I can't tell if you're cucked, stupid, or trying to escape your own shitty reality. Please try to get this through your head.
PEOPLE CAN BE SHITTY AND PEOPLE CAN BE SELF-SEEKING ASSHOLES.
People. Not women. People. People.
Get it yet? People.
Before the system punished both women and men alike.
Before the system punished everyone in a divorce.
Before, when a divorce occurred, everyone was punished.
Now only the man is punished.
In a divorce, now only men are punished.
The punishment now only falls on men.
because PEOPLE CAN BE SHITTY AND PEOPLE CAN BE SELF-SEEKING ASSHOLES, the ones who stand to lose the most are walking away from marriage.
In marriage, men stand to lose the most and do not want to commit.
Even if the man finds le perfect womxn, he does not want to take the gamble.
If you need me to be more repetitious, let me know, but I cannot make this any simpler for you to understand. Ask your tumblr followers to explain it to you if you want.
>You made a poor decision. You didn't know her well enough to get married, but you did it anyway
The truth of the matter is I don't think most women know who they are until late 20s early 30s. She was too young to handle the realities and stress of life outside the bubble. She was raised in a home where her Mom essentially ate up feminism culture everywhere.
No, I'm not stating that out of random guesses. Her mom's bookshelves were rife with women empowerment books and all sorts of shit throughout her house the only time I visited. Her mom was twice divorced, and was dating a literal fucking rocket scientist. The scientist admitted to me in an awkward conversation that he had no plans to marry my wife's mother based on the fact that he got raped financially by his first wife (who I admit gave him 4 beautiful fucking children, i'm jealous), and the fact that her mom was divorced 2x and always talked about money. Unfortunately I didn't find out his side until after the relationship ended.
>The issue I have with your view is that you're basically making women out to be blood-sucking golddiggers.
Man everyone men or women are blood-sucking golddiggers. We are living in capitalism m8. It is a main driving force for society get more monies for the less efforts.
What about duty, morals? Well humans have desires beyond moneys, true. But today's society doesn't indoctrinate value of family and stable commitment anymore.
>, I despise both you and her for having a casual sexual relationship and effectively devaluing deep interpersonal relationships
Yeah I feel pretty terrible about it all but im just saying it doesn't really take work to have a relationship last atleast a couple years sometimes
Just because that's not how marriage worked "back in the day" doesn't mean that it's not how marriage works now.
I'm being a realist. I realize that there are a lot of pitfalls to marriage nowadays (particularly because people in general are far, far more promiscuous), but that doesn't mean that the institution is dead in the water. It still works if you and your partner respect the relationship and you have mutual respect between you and your partner. A lack of respect kills the marriage.
Negative reinforcement to hold a marriage together only holds marriages together that should otherwise fail. Marriages that fail (or would have otherwise failed) shouldn't have happened in the first place. They probably happened because of a) idealistic idiocy, b) lack of judgement capacity, c) pressure to avoid a child outside of wedlock, d) any mixture of the above. Marrying for any of those reasons is marrying for the wrong reason.
If you're marrying for the wrong reason, you deserve the consequences of breaking the marriage up.
People who marry for the right reason (a long-term commitment to someone they've judged to understand the concept of marriage and a desire to enter into such a marriage) don't get divorced because its antithetical to their values.
Holy shit America, it's like you think I'm some kind of retard. I understand that PEOPLE can be shitty.
You know that the vast majority of marriages are initiated by men, yes? Typical marriage, man proposes to woman, woman says yes, they get married.
My POINT is that the man initiated the decision. If the man chooses to marry the wrong woman, he's at fault. It was his choice. It's called responsibility, something that Millennials know nothing about.
Avoid marriage if you feel that you'll never know a person well enough to judge them to be worthy of marriage. My point is that people should only be getting married if they truly understand the person that they're going to be married to.
Well said. I've seen lust for money destroy some really good people I knew.
I grew up around a family who were extremely blue collar and family oriented. Having your own family, with a loving wife (even better if attractive loving wife) seemed to be the ideal to me. I was misguided. Probably about as misguided as I was going to college when I wasn't sure what I wanted to do. Years of unnecessary debt. College is when I began waking up, but after this marriage, I can't go back to sleep again; it's impossible.
I agree. Many, many people have a garbage set of values and morals. If you're together long enough with someone, you should be able to judge whether or not their values are in line with the concept of marriage. If they are (and yours are as well), then get married. If they're not (or yours aren't), then don't. The difficulty is being objective in your judgement. Many people will get too caught up in idealistic fantasies and make a bad decision.
It's not necessarily about the length of time alone, it's about spending enough time with the person to be able to judge them with a nigh-perfect level of accuracy.
Her mom sounds like a whore. I spoke about mothers' influence on their children earlier in the thread. If mom's a bad egg, chances are that the kid is too. Same goes with the father.
Also, in a divorce, best bet is to settle it ASAP. Honestly, the lawyer's fees will fuck you over more than the actual divorce, and will just make you more bitter about the whole ordeal.
Trust me, I literally have nightmares about it still (not an incorrect usage of the word 'literally'). There are times when I'm driving when a memory will pop in my head and I'll just have to fucking shout out loud to get it out of my head. Fucked with me real bad that I even had a discourse about it, let alone that I tried to imagine ways to get used it.
The reason I had to explain to you that people can be shitty is because you accused me of saying women were shitty, when I did no such thing.
Also why should I risk all my shit when I can still forge a strong relationship with a woman without the threat of the divorce-tax hanging over my head?
Additionally, people change, and people can be very complex. I posit that no man should get married while the system is as broken as it is. I am not saying relationships should be abandoned, but the legal institution known as marriage is dead.
feminism is a reaction to technology
you cannot have feminism without
- widespread electricity
- personal motor cars
- office jobs utilising PCs
- automation of housechores
stop believing feminism is a conspiracy or movement
it's a reactionary narrative to humanity's advancement
It's a little more nuanced than that dude. Same boat as you, born in 81, married 6 years and been together 11.
Have a 15 month old daughter and sometimes the wife struggles. Messy home etc but kid is impeccably dressed, entertained and stimulated .
Wife is tired but that's due to long feeding hours and getting up during the night. Extended family not much help, grannies used to help in most familial situations involving new birns, how about yours?
She sounds a bit depressed, which is a thing. Look up post natal and post partum depression.
Also losing her freedom to drink or go on dates with you etc.
Don't let life become a chore for both of you. Get a babysitter, go out for dinner or to a hotel spa. Fuck her brains out, smash the granny out of her once in awhile or she'll turn into an old whingebag. You're still young and its hard work for both sides but communication will make it easier.
>Do they not want to make women happy anymore?
I do, that's why I avoid them...
Nobody is prepared for marriage because of how we've been brought up.
Our parents handed us over to the government and to the television, and it turned out that the government and the television didn't think much of traditional marriage.
In school boys are now put under pressure at the age of about 12 to lose their virginity. Girls are expected to wear makeup and dress to attract men.
Consider that not too long ago boys and girls went to separate schools, and not long before that there were no government schools.
women won't need to stay in their boring village and marry the farmers son
they have birth control and the ability to travel miles to circulate around high status men
so women delay and delay or whore themselves in the hope of hooking the perfect man
a 5/10 woman will not settle for a 6/10 man. She sees herself worthy of a 8/10 man
this is not marxism or jews or college conspiracy THIS IS FEMALE NATURE IN THE MODERN AGE and totally understandable
I was only making that point about the Russian's comment. I'm trying to find where in my responses to you I was really pushing the point of women and only women being shitty (aside from my earlier comment about 4chan being a misogynist's haven because, well, it's 4chan). I can't really find it, do you know in which post I said it? Maybe I can clarify.
>Also why should I risk all my shit when I can still forge a strong relationship with a woman without the threat of the divorce-tax hanging over my head?
You can feel free to do so, as I said before. There are tons of relationships that work on this basis (my fiancee's parents didn't marry until they had their second child, they're still together and have a great relationship with both of their children). I just personally think that it belies a lack of real commitment to responsibility.
Yes, people are very complex and can take a long time to "figure out." All the more reason to spend more time with them (unmarried) to better judge their morals and values. As far as people changing? People might change in minor ways, but fundamental changes in their core values are exceedingly rare. People are typically "set in their ways" by their mid-twenties; fundamental changes to a person really only happen after a continued series of perspective altering events. Generally these changes would be picked up on by anybody close to them (ie their spouse) who can help them through their issues and make sure that their relationship is kept strong and stable.
Unfortunately, mental health is not high on our nation's priorities yet, and you're correct that it's expensive here. I can't deny the marriage destruction shattered me. I've been living a pretty low life lately, but I'm hoping to get back. Thanks, mang :)
You will crash and fall, like all men who become addicted to the cunt
>wives not finding their husbands attractive
desu this is probably to an extent a result of contraception.
contraception literally takes the entire point out of sex; it turns sex purely into a pleasure seeking game. At that point, of course you will get bored of your spouse just like every game gets boring eventually. If you contracept when having sex with your wife you basically turn her into a whore.
not even alphas are safe from cheating women. they will play the alphas until one kills the other... in the name of the woman.
you get two alphas in a room with one woman, people are going to die.
Feminism kept fighting to tilt the scales of the traditional family towards women. Alimony, child support, women being encouraged to leave their relationships the minute that they get bored or unhappy (and take alimony and child support in the process), men being made to keep their obligation of regular and substantial shows of affection while demanding the same from women was labeled as "sexist", demonizing the masculinity of the husband and father...
They systematically destroyed any reason for men to get married and start a family.
Pampered by wife? Dats sexist.
Chance of being forcibly separated from kids by wife... or should I say ex-wife? Very high.
Financial risk? Very high.
Power in courts? Practically non-existence.
Feminists really want to forget that women aren't the only living, breathing human beings on the planet. Men are not simply tools to grant women happiness. Where do men benefit from getting married in 2016? They fucking don't. Not signing into a contract that does nothing but hand the keys to your well being over to somebody else (who's statically likely to abuse their new found authority) doesn't place you in a perpetual state of adolescence, it makes you a rational human being.
The telling thing about feminists is that they continue to try to fix the problem by blaming, shaming, and punishing men. Oh, they mention in the cliff notes that women are irresponsible when it comes to committing to men, but it's clearly not at the top of their agenda for fixing marriage. You can't shame men into a scenario where only more shame and hardship awaits them, feminists. Shaming tactics only work when coupled with the promise of good things if they comply. The problem here isn't men. It's you, and your unwillingness to point the finger at women when they're the problem.
Don't worry if you work and be a great guy you'll still eventually get no sex and she'll bang others. Or instead you can be a manchild which boils down to putting yourself first, actually enjoying and loving your life, getting just as much if not more and being the guy who is the affair of these housewives with all the nice guys working themselves to death.
Given those two choices, there's a pretty good reason why guys wont commit. It's self harming and idiotic to do.
>Become an alpha male by breaking every law and rule society makes and being as self-serving as possible and using violence, threads and intimidation to get what you want from other people
You think that's suffering
BEHOLD THE ULTIMATE PAIN
This is for you cucknadian do not think your woman is a pure soul because of any inherently good qualities she has. She is merely pure so long as you force her to remain so. The second she tastes the life of hedonism she will revert to her true nature.
Do not be a fool
Your wife doesn't represent all women. I've seen the relationship go the other way, where the woman works her ass off while the man just sits at home and smokes weed.
Before you get married, make sure that she's not a parasite. She needs to work and demonstrate ambition by her own volition.
I'm not siding with the feminist courts here, and I believe that it's extremely important that we stop providing financial incentive for this sort of behavior and screwing over honest, hard working men, but this can be predicted and prevented to some degree.