Do any of you seriously believe that Christianity has any future left (outside of Africa)? The chances of your grandkids (or kids outside of the USA) being christian is statistically negligent.
Maybe we should find something else to use to unify us against the fundie muslims and SJW infecting the world?
>Feel free to tip fedoras
Christianity is an imported religion from the Middle-East and doesn't belong to Europe. The same apply for the other Judaic sect called Islam.
Because of Christianity, Europe knew 1,000 years of dark ages.
There is a difference between being religiously Christian and culturally Christian
White people will always be culturally Christian
Also there is a difference between believing in God and believing God created the Earth
>White people will always be culturally Christian
only a true omega "male" would disregard the ancestral beliefs of his people and instead replace it with jewish heresy.
>Because of Christianity, Europe knew 1,000 years of dark ages.
Yeah, totally has nothing to do with mini-Ice Ages destroying crops, or the plagues, or various geo-political events... it's Christianity.
Secular humanism is an outgrowth of Christian culture and values, and is the main nourishing catalyst for the development of scientific culture
Paganism will and is having a resurge in popularity.
The human animal desires understanding, science doesnt provide those answers yet and in all probability never will, the nature of the universe is that we can't understand it by purposeful or accidental design.
So people will turn to religion slowly. Before it was athiesm you'd quietly ponder in hushed circles, now it'll be reverting to religion is seen in that light.
Christianity is responsible for:
- repulsive choral music
- repulsive architecture
- repulsive paintings
- broken logic, superstitions
- fall of the West
- lack of mass education
And it is all Jewish know-how.
No wonder it has literary ruined the world.
But they do believe in elves.
>In one 1998 survey, 54.4 percent of Icelanders said they believed in the existence of elves. That poll is fairly consistent with other findings and with qualitative fieldwork, according to an academic paper published in 2000 titled “The Elves’ Point of View" by Valdimar Hafstein, who now is a folkloristics professor at the University of Iceland. “If this was just one crazy lady talking about invisible friends, it's really easy to laugh about that,” Jónsdóttir said. “But to have people through hundreds of years talking about the same things, it’s beyond one or two crazy ladies. It is part of the nation.”
Considering this coincides with the apparent collapse of the western world?
Correlation is not causation, but suspecting you need something other than Christianity to save the west is a leap.
only good economy
if people are rich then they want to have children
if they work hard and have many quality things suddenly they feel life has a meaning and want to give those nice things to children
subhumans do not reproduce, like slavshits
>subhumans do not reproduce
literally the entire continent of Africa is doubling in population
some people have more important things to do than to do than to create more fucking people. people are a dime a dozen there are billions of any given race.
Yes it does; it's no wonder that most irreligious nations have the least amount of children. That's why atheism is dysgenic and a deviancy.
Those on the right are Christian. Those on the left are either non-practicing or atheists. Most just need to pretend to be Christian because of herd mentality in religous voters.
Atheism is simply a side-effect of degeneracy. When times are good, it begins to spread because people care only about the present with no heed to the past (where they may look for inspiration) or the future (where they may attempt greatness for their descendants).
Times in the West have been too good for too long. A good war will bring theism back to Europe.
Meanwhile they believe in even greater bullshit such as racial equality?
Wasn't it Iceland that wanted to import 40.000 Syrian refugees to their country with 200.000 population? I hope they do it now and these Syrians end up cutting their throat and raping their daughters.
>Christianity is statistically declining at an amazingly fast pace
>You post memes that always belonged in toxic cesspools that people circlejerk each other in so you can get back at a post you don't like
Not even an atheist, but you have to get serious, anon.
And what do you believe?
Ultimately it doesn't matter because belief or disbelief in a God is a thought exercise that we have no definite answer to and accomplishes nothing
My belief in a God has absolutely zero bearing on my life, It is literally irrelevant, can you say the same about your disbelief? Judging by how assblasted you are about what I believe, I'd say no.
a whole lot of insulting from christniggers but not a lot of sense. suppose going on the offensive with nonstop hat pictures and accusations is the only thing left you can do
>he believes our entire universe was created out of nothing
he ahhh didn't say that exactly and anyone who'd describe the situation before the big bang 'nothing' is a certifiable retard
Fine by me. I was not raised Christian (despite being European), but I'm not a fedora tipper either. I kept an open mind.
But after going to a mass at a big beautiful old cathedral I was very disappointed. Aesthetically, I love the architecture of the church, and the music, and the way the voices echo through the cathedral. I like the ritual of it all as well.
But the hymns, fucking hell. They are the most cucked shit ever. Basically just lyric after lyric of grovelling before the Jewish sand god like good little goyim. Please Yahweh, have your way with me, I'm your good little goy!
I think I understand now how the West became so cucked. When Europeans were crusading and otherwise kicking ass, all the religious stuff was in Latin, which the common European couldn't even understand. But when they started doing mass in the common languages, and translating the bible, and Europeans became conscious of these cucked hymns they were reading, the big kike in the sky stole their balls.
>tfw i triggered a christupid as an atheist with epic fedora maymay
This is a biased question from an atheist rag. Many Christians don't believe that God created the world, but believe he's created the environment that allowed the world to be created.
>he ahhh didn't say that exactly
that's pretty much what all atheists believe unless they're agnostic.
>and anyone who'd describe the situation before the big bang 'nothing' is a certifiable retard
So what was happening before the big bang and what caused it?
>filling some gap of knowledge with god for your own ignorance
>millions of years of evolution yet somehow we are gods greatest creation
>billlions and billions of star systems yet we believe we are above all
>filling some gap of knowledge with god for your own ignorance
God is the logical conclusion to existence
>millions of years of evolution yet somehow we are gods greatest creation
This is an argument how? What does the length of our evolution have to do with God's love for humanity?
>billlions and billions of star systems yet we believe we are above all
hurr durr the universe is gigantic so we don't matter: your argument
>that's pretty much what all atheists believe unless they're agnostic.
you're a fucking idiot
>So what was happening before the big bang and what caused it?
to the laypersons understanding the necessary components needed to cause the 'big bang' (more accurately described as a 'slow expansion' the term big bang was coined by christniggers trying to discredit it)
>More than 11,000 Icelanders offer to house Syrian refugees to help European crisis
Nation full of retards literally.
>Nearly perfect society with a capable government that helps its citizen, good welfare, a decent and self-centered economy, no external threats, little to zero racial tensions and a beautiful island with significant natural resources (large, plentiful fishing and potential mining zones in the North Sea, and a ton of geothermal energy) and a large friendly trade partner that doesn't really have any control over them (European Union, and for that matter all major countries in it)
>Youth is completely atheist
They made their own country perfect without any help from the magic daddy in the sky, why would they revere him now ?
> tons of Jewish books on G*d
> Torah, Sefer Yetzirah, Zohar, Talmud
How come Jews could be wrong?
What if all of them were just ancient trolling?
> look muh hidden holy book
> dictated by G*d
> nao obey
And if no G*d then who is the 'chosen one'?
>you're a fucking idiot
And you're really mad right now lol
>to the laypersons understanding the necessary components needed to cause the 'big bang' (more accurately described as a 'slow expansion' the term big bang was coined by christniggers trying to discredit it)
All these buzzwords and you didn't even *try* to answer my question. sardonicism doesn't really suit you m8
Wait, what? That makes no sense. The guy you originally replied to was an atheist. Then you bedora'd him. Why would you do that? You "dead kike on a stick" guys are weird, let me tell you. Explain yourself, I am interested as to why you attacked that other guy, he was your ally.
Just like all Republicans are allies?
Also welcome to /pol/
The world was created when a giant thawed out of the eternal ice and drank the milk of the great cow Audhumla; later Odin and Thor slew him and cast his body about to make the plane of middle earth.
Have you ever read the talmud?
It's pretty overt how much they hate christians.
Unlike the bible, there's entire passages discussing how you do business with a jew versus a goy, or how you greet them, or how you treat them
Christianity is cucked it says treat everyone well and when he fucks with you turn the over cheek
I'm certain Christianity was a brilliant idea to pacify the pagans. Convert and you can keep your holidays goys, but be sure to follow the rules! And Odin is dead now, it's time for G-d to be your God
Fuck you. That is a stupid comparison, faggot. That guy was just as much of a 'dead kike on a stick' guy as the guy he replied to was. The 'dead kike on a stick' guys are a very specific breed of atheist. This doesn't make sense, am I in the twilight zone? What year is this?
but you are
>also your question literally got answered
you didn't even write a complete sentence in all your frustration. you just got mad that the BB is not named how you wanted it to be named. how does that answer my question?
>it's understood to not be 'nothing'
So what is it?
The survey makes a false equivalent between Big Bang and God, Science and Religion. Of course young people who haven't reflected on anything are going to go with Science, because it's all around them shaping their very existence.
That being said, it's perfectly possible to believe in God and Science at the same time. Even if they have conflicting information they belong to different spheres of our lives. Science has a hard time giving us purpose or meaning + it cannot even explain what caused the Big Bang, only what happened after. Religion, however, is just as useless if you use it as a practical handbook on everything. Like building a boat or a rocket from passages of the Old Testament or to charter the history of the planet. If you use a religious text like that you are a retard, and no better than the muslims.
>being literally autistic AND christard
actually, catholics are the degenerates. actual atheists are more straight-edge than fire&brimstone baptists. ask any slut/coke head what their beliefs are, and they'll say catholic because it's the default open religion where they can get 10 stds and destroy what little family structure they have and then 'repent'
>the current year
Also, it's a fair comparison since you assume all atheists are on the same side on /pol/ threads you fucking cancer
>Of course young people who haven't reflected on anything are going to go with Science
Science is literally as far as "something you go for by default because you're ignoring" as it gets
You'd be surprised at how often science gets thrown out of the window because the populace can't understand its finer workings and it doesn't serve the narrative. Even progressives are doing it
but what is science?
by which experiment can you check the Big Bang theory? How do you know the universe was the same say 10^6 years ago? You need to make an assumption literary pulled out of your ass ('cos I feel it is so).
Now what does it resemble?
National Socialism is the religion of the blood.
Stupid shit like claiming the world is 6,000 years old is one of thre reasons why christianity is a joke. Religions just basically need to be a manual for a healthy life and society, with a bit of spirituality thrown in.
This is ridiculous. I'm going to bed. Atheists are horrible, they cannot into logic and they fight with each other while wreaking havoc and causing mayhem in online communities. You guys are horrible. And no, we don't worship a Jewish God you FAGGOTS.
all is dead now
t. page on Polish myths in English...
Ancient (or not that ancient) are not known for inventing anything useful or worth mentioning.
> muh Arian ancestry
You can check Big Bang features from a telescope, speed of light is a strange thing, that enables you to see older parts of the Universe, since the light has been travelling to Earth for billions of years. That is, at least, my impression. I am not a scientist, rather a religious person, who hates the false equivalent between Science and Religion. The media, especially in Iceland apparently, are really pushing the fundamentalist vs science and nothing in between angle. (The debate is far more nuanced in Denmark)
Remember the fairy tales about dragons, mice eating Popiel and the pagan gods lore? Those are the myths. They were changed into fairy tales in time.
Of course it's all dead, just like in Greece Olympian God lore isn't exactly doing well beyond "yeah there was such a thing".
like the bleeding heart liberals aren't scavenging on bits of the dead corpse of christianity when they prattle ceaselessly about empathy and welcoming refugees. those would be much more ridiculous weren't they resonating with a christian message so old they stopped being regarded as christian.
In Poland liberal media and (I guess) paid shills destroy catholic religion.
They make fake videos with religious people intended to enrage the population to turn it against the Church (and religion, presumably)
Let's create a cult of Hitler, how about that?
Religion is not gonna change anything. Moslems are poor, therefore they behave like animals. (Ex)Christians are rich, therefore they behave like degenerates. If a religion emerged in the west it would be just as degenerate as the west itself. If you forced a conservative religion upon the west it would never fly (with the majority of the people from the currently present generations etc etc) because the socio-economic reality is incompatible with it.
Basically you're too rich to be able to fend off the shitskins.
One thing I never understood about Christianity is that Jews are supposed to be God's chosen people, right? It's right there in the bible. Jesus himself was a Jew.
Does this mean that all Jews are going to heaven? But according to the the Jews, heaven doesn't exist. So why are the Jews God's chosen people if they don't believe in Jesus or heaven? Alternatively, if heaven and Jesus doesn't exist, why don't all Christians convert to Judaism?
Seeing how all forms of IE paganism, Manichaeism, Zoroastrianism and Vedic Brahmanism are either dead or being 'resurrected' by clueless nerds to continue living a fate worse than death, the only Aryan-founded world religion still in existence is Buddhism. Just saying.
Secularization started in the late 1700s. What happened after WW2 was denazification and frowning at racism, all fueled by the competing religion of Bolshevism, and that's what fucked up the white man's world.
>what has Christianity brought to Europe in 2000 years?
A ban on usury that made the 99% reliant on the monarch/bankers?
A pacified population who behave themselves but have no ability to get ahead?
What innovation could a commoner have had to increase his net worth in 1300? All they had was the kindness of the crown to give them more land to protect for the crown.
Only since post ww2 has any person been able to bootstrap himself out of his social caste - and even then, 99% of the time he doesn't.
>atheism: belief in absence of god or gods
>not necessarily a belief in anything else like for example bigbang
>christfags spend all day shitposting about scientific theories that don't necessarily have anything to do with athiesm
ITS EITHER BIG BANG OR MY BEARDED SKY FAIRY - christfag before bursting into tears before bursting into tears because people disagreed with him
>Europeans need a strong and functioning religion to defeat Islam
Right, so we should turn to
>some reconstruction of dead pagan religions (that even at their height weren't even "strong" enough to even hold up to "cuck" Christianity)
>retarded new age esoteric shit
>atheist fedora tipping, as practiced by the liberal secular humanists that are allowing this shit to happen in the first place
>converting to Hinduism and becoming a street shitter
>just bowing down to the Jews as their cattle and letting them rule over us even harsher than the Muslims
Clearly you must be advocating for something more "strong and functioning" than the religion comprising a majority both in Europe and the world with two thousand years of unbroken apostolic legitimacy from Jesus Christ himself, and that was followed by virtually all Europeans at the apex of their civilizational power.
OP here, haven't really read any replies, but you fags sure love talking about religion ae
Anyway I'll let you know that Pantheism is the correct religion, everything else is wrong.
And imbuing cultural christian traits that promote the survival and advancement of the white race and western civilization while throwing away the bullshite and recognizing that no one will ever know for sure is probably the best way to proceed.
>White people will always be culturally Christian
They always were, even before the Jew on a stick forced himself on them.
Christianity usurps human decency and claims credit for it, one of the most loathsome things about it.
explain how your theory is more valid than the creation myth of every other religion ever?
that's what i understand least, the only single tihng you need to do to know religion is shit is to see just how many of them there are, meaning the statistical likelihood of yours being the correct one next to nothing
>Secularization started in the late 1700s
only for the elites, mass seculariztion started after ww2
yeah bla bla christianity was such a cancer that western civilization lasted till ww2, then secularization started to happen
anyway now atheism has won, congratulations, again, I see the glorious future awaiting the west
well, apart for Italy, we are the last non-secular country in Europe.. and it feels good
>make unverified claims that get constantly disproved
>get told you're wrong
>attempt to argue that because the truth is unknown, claims to the truth, even with no evidence, can't be wrong
Sorry fuckstick. Just because we don't know what's right doesn't mean we don't know what's wrong.
No matter how much you might want to be a Christian, you can't look anyone in the eye and say "I sincerely believe the world was created 6000 years ago"
Christianity is doomed. I believe in god, but I don't believe in all the nonsense that the bible spews.
>The Dark Ages meme needs to die already.
But they _are_ dark, in the original sense of not having left enough documentation to see exactly what kind of shit went down back then.
Also: incipient Christian theocracy, superstitions of all sorts, Somalian-level warlordism and casual violence even in peacetime, innumerable incursions by raiders from sea and steppe, threat of an Islamic takeover, the vast majority of people living under prehistoric conditions because Rome fell and left no standards => pretty dark times if you ask me.
>And an irreversibly imploding demographics. Nice knowing you.
I'm an atheist, but I know that Christianity preserved a lot of knowledge, and created more than it destroyed.
The "dark ages" weren't so dark, weren't for a 1000 years, didn't happen across the continent at once, and weren't caused by Christianity .
Yes after Rome fell there was chaos ongst the destabilized Europe. There were also periods of plague war and raids dotted about Europe.
However if you look at the metallurgical , engineering, warfare, architectural and scientific advancements from the fall of Rome to the Italian Rennaisance it was a slow but steady progression.
>INB4 that flawed at fuck debunked graph of human inventions dropping for a millenium
>mfw radical Atheists will eliminate all religionfags
When we talk about god we talk about people being tested its all over the bible from adam and eve and the apple ,to jesus meeting with satan.
Its 2016 and if you think you are not being tested you are as dumb as shit, in the old days god had his gods now he uses science
Nice rebuttal of an actual historian. I eventually got bored of arm chair Athiest spewing bullshit "muh dark ages" nonsense when every creditable historian would roll their eyes at the notion, and book trying to push said myth has been ripped to pieces.
Go cuck yourself some more to stimulate that straw man your typing.
>Christianity is doomed.
People have been saying that literally since Jesus was nailed to the cross. All sorts of kings and god-emperors at the head of the most powerful nations in the world have said that they would see the end of Christianity. If they were wrong, why should I believe you now?
>93.9% of Icelanders younger than 25 believed the world was created in the big bang, 6.1% either had no opinion or thought it had come into existence through some other means and 0.0% believed it had been created by God.
>At the same time 40.5% of people who were 25 years or younger said they were atheists, and only 42% said they were Christian.
>people fall for this bait
>yeah bla bla christianity was such a cancer that western civilization lasted till ww2, then secularization started to happen
well, this is one reading. another reading is that christianity as a parasitic ideology managed to cling on to the european civilisation until we have found a cure. now we are facing new challenges, and the problem is that christian principles no longer seen as christian are merrily fucking around in our heads with a disgust for christian practice back then, which was the opposite of christian principles, basically violent racism. european culture would not have survived if it wasn't violently racist, in clear contradiction to christianity's ideas. if so many people wouldn't think having empathy and mercy upon the poor was a valid proposition and not just a baseless christian meme, and the same many people would not be horrified what people back then did to other people, mostly in the name of christianity even while disregarding its basic tenets, we'd have no muslims in the heart of europe now.
your "facts" are bullshits because if christianity was such a suicidal cancer, our civilization would never have survived to 2000 years of it. but we are still here and united under the christian banner, we repelled the muslims in Vienna, France, Spain, Lepanto and colonized half the world.
mass secularization in society begun to spread after WW2, and that's when we started to have problem
you think that atheism is redpilled when it's jewish mass medias that promote secularization, irreligiousity and an ethic antithetical to christian one
Good luck for the future, you wanted atheism? you got it
christianity was never strong here to begin with but it is a pretty loaded question because it doesn't actually say '0% of icelandic retards are religious'. It just refers to how the world was created
>your "facts" are bullshits because if christianity was such a suicidal cancer, our civilization would never have survived to 2000 years of it.
says who? here's an alternative: the european spirit was so strong it survived despite christianity sucking its blood for 2000 years.
>Christianity is doomed. I believe in god, but I don't believe in all the nonsense that the bible spews.
Then you have no basis to believe in God. The Bible is the only piece of information in favor of the hypothesis, and it is flawed.
>this is one reading. another reading
a reading we can all agree upon is that we live in a post-christian western world, 70 years passed, it's useless to argue now, let's wait another 50 years to see where this will have led us
>european culture would not have survived if it wasn't violently racist
Italy never been violently racist, not even under fascism, how can you be racist when half of your population looks like niggers or arabs? we always looked at culture not race
I go to prepare lunch, we dine at 12 here in my small religious bigoted backwards kike village on the Alps
Yeah, that, or I believe, as we've already beginning to see, that intelligent young (white) people turn to spirituality to satisfy their "soul's needs". But I think most young people despise an organized church and follow lutheranism out to its literal extreme: the only thing that matters is their personal relationship with "god"/the earth/whatever and how that affects them (in regards of personal happiness and so on). Remember, people don't give a shit about each other. Never have and never will.
you have something on your flag, finni
the faroese are fucking weird but jesus christ are they cool. Those guys always take care of us and try to help us if we're fucked but even though we never do the same for them.
Ås for the christianity, it's my bet everything bad in the western world can be traced back to the internet. We all know the melting pot theory but I want to blame everything on social media.
We are always surrounded by all these fucking people we barely know, it's so easy to get connected with people nowadays you never have to fall out with any of your friends, you're always surrounded by their stupid facebook posts. In my opinion, this creates some sort of artificial Behavioral Sink due to overpopulation from always feeling surrounded by all these people. And that's why I think tumblr exists
>I can't comprehend my own existence and am afraid of death.
>Therefore the logical conclusion is that a celestial omnipotent being in the sky created the universe, a being to which I have a personal connection and who will allow me to ascend to everlasting life in the sky once I die.
In what way is that logical? Honestly, why are you so adamant that you have to have an answer to how life/the universe was created, why not just accept there's some things we don't know? At least science can admit it doesn't have all the answers - it doesn't claim infallibility; in fact it asserts the opposite, which is far more logical then believing all the answers in the universe were given to you by magic men in the Middle East thousands of years ago..
The first Finnish state flag looked like this before they made a copy of the Swedish flag.
The question was:
>How do you think the universe came to be?
and the answers were:
>The universe came to be in the Big Bang
>God created the universe
nice shitposting mr "actual Historian"
There's something about northern european thinking.
There's no way an American would write or think this post, nor a shitskin Italian.
I don't know if it's genetic or cultural but you guys think fucking weirdly esoterically. I'm not saying you think wrong, I'd say you're generally right, but you think in weird out of the box ways.
I like it. Get your shit together and close your borders for everyone but me.
Anyone who thinks a poll this poorly designed given to children could yeild good data is an autist. The anwers are contradictory based on different denominations of Christianity, most Christians believe in the Big Bang theory and it was literally proposed by a catholic priest.
>The purpose of the nine roses remains unknown, but are now mostly considered to be decorative only. They have sometimes been claimed to represent the nine historical provinces of Finland, but this hypothesis has not found support among prominent scholars. The number of towns in the nominal "Grand Duchy of Finland and Karelia" in 1580 were also nine, but no known historical research provides support for a link between the number of roses and the number of towns in Finland in 1580.
>also the flag is probably the coat of arms of some king, right?
Yeah, Gustav Vasa.
>he thinks Gothic buttresses and pointed arches aren't objectively superior, both from an aesthetic and engineering standpoint, than "muh roman revivalism"
shit let's, like, put blocks of marble on some PILLARS and sheeit
>repulsive choral music
shit tier opinion, pic related.
>broken logic, superstitions
slavery has been going on well over -4000BC (before christ)
>fall of the West
No, you're an idiot.
>lack of mass education
nigga please, Christianity started mass education, the monks were the first teachers that taught outside a select group (scribes in ancient Greece and Egypt only taught other scribes)
>finland part of christianhood
>gustav would have never been king if it wasn't for christianity
I'm an Atheist and I dont say you do, but reminder to not shit over your history and culture.
Folk religion is stupid, but kinda cozy, reminds me of Scandinavia in old times. In rural Jutland you too can find people who believe in trolls and elves. Mostly old people though.
Woah woah woah man, let's not have shit taste. At least say Christian Rock
Is there anyone here who is unironically atheist?
I mean i can understand the political position of atheism as a way to counter organized relgiones, but come on seriously, the whole of science points to a deity, a mechanism, an unifying law that ties everything together.
A One True God ™ that controls and determine all the movements in the cosmos
Science is a theological endeavor run lose, we are so far removed from reality by abstractions of thought that we can't see it, but literally, there is nothing cold about colliding atoms to see what is inside, its a search for god in a very real and organic way, we are forcefully tearing apart the fabric of reality with the hopes of finding anything on the other side, its some kind of mega-penetration, more real than the real.
>Believing in the fantasy universe when literally something came from nothing no matter how you look at it, God or no God
>Our entire existence came for no fucking reason
>A causeless effect
Nothing fucking makes sense.
The only way this shit works is if there's a giant fucking string of causes that goes on forever so the effects happen.
Daily reminder that atheism is becoming less and less relevant globally with each passing year.
of course there is a "nothing" an unfurnished room isn't just going to furnish itself
even going by your assumption. there was still a "first cause" in the dawn of time that started all this from inertness
Wonder if it has some correlation to all the antidepressants people in that country consume.
>my historical knowledge consists of movies and videogames
not if there are more rooms!
Physics right now point out there is something we don't know about influencing the whole structure and existence of the universe.
Either it's God or it's influences from other universes, i.e. the existence of the multiverse.
I believe that it has a future wherever the human race has a future. Given that Iceland, like other secularist countries, is breeding below sustainability, what they believe really doesn't matter. Their rejection of God is the dying gasp of a race intent on extinction. Do you take suicide notes seriously too?
that is assuming 3d + time is not just an emergent quality of the universe
and even then, the unfurnished room is a furnished room in potency, not a nothing
and even then it needs four walls, a roof and a floor to be a room, theres a configuration implicit in the very 'nothing' where the universe 'pops from'
An ever existing 'god' kind of thingy, on the other hand, the ultimate existing fire which is "always presently existing", is the only way in which all facts come together
There can't be more rooms or then we would be taking about the house, this is not a natural science question, it has more to do with maths, the definition of universe under which we work is "all there is". "All there is" being able to expand as we notice that what we thought was all is not really all but a part of the True All.
This makes me sad.
Oh well, people have their own opinions on religion and I can't force them to agree with me.
Not really. The problem with the "Dark Ages" hypothesis is that it is unscientific and also needlessly vague. Petrarch came up with the meme in the 1400s and he intended it to span from the fall of Western Rome to his time.
Are you insinuating that the Carolingian Empire was dark? Unchronicled? A time of ignorance and regression? No, of course you don't, because that would be fucking retarded. And so you do not actually believe in the Dark Ages.
Do all of you guys honestly think that a western Nordic country having a new, extremely prevalent demographic change in belief in something is good, as long as it's atheism?
Do you think this is the one thing they don't want, that happens to go up with the decline of the west? Do you not realize America and the west were better when they were Christian? Do you not realize atheism is Marxism?
read the article and learn physics.
Science has mapped physics of the super large and of the super small and tried to combine them in what is called the theory of Everything.
However upon trying to balance all forces and matter in the Universe in a single equation remarkable facts have come up on the structure of the universe.
Not only is there something lacking in our equations, the chances of our universe actually existing like it does right now is extremely unlikely. We can only explain this through the influence of forces exterior to our universe, i.e. forces from other universes acting on our universe which means there must exist a multiverse (as predicted by super string theory) or it's actual scientific evidence of the finger of God.
You should read the picture above your post.
It is no trilogy. Christianity is White.
>the chances of our universe actually existing like it does now
Nobody ever understands this. What are the chances of everything in the universe working perfectly so life exists?
>explain though influence of forces exterior
Doesn't make any sense.
>everything in the universe working perfectly so life exists?
le epin lifeforms aren't entropy machines memerino
>Christianity is an imported religion from the Middle-East and doesn't belong to Europe. The same apply for the other Judaic sect called Islam.
>Because of Christianity, Europe knew 1,000 years of dark ages.
This. Hopefully we reject Islam this time.
>/pol/ is perfectly fine with this one part of marxism which is most prevalent in countries like sweden and germany
No, I mean the laws of phsyics and chemistry and everything else, etc. All working perfectly.
>/pol/ is perfectly fine with this one jewish ideology
>If you don't enforce apostasy laws with the death penalty
If you're so sure in the factuality of your religion then why would you need to threaten anyone with anything for not believing you? Making threats against apostates, especially death threats, is a tacit admission that no sane person would willingly follow your faith.
The Europeans, being smart peoples, rejected the idea of a Zeus throwing down thunderbolts, and Thor with his hammer, because frankly these are ludicrous ideas. The Europeans realized that Christianity was the greatest belief system of them all, far trumping all of its rivals. It could outlast the great Roman Empire. In fact, most educated Greeks had rejected the idea of a Homeric Zeus well before Paul lobbed up on their shores. Many educated Greeks were also interested in judaism, but judaism never had the universal appeal of Christianity (to men of virtue)
And the center of rome was in religions on par with greek worship of the universe, and expansion of the mind. Not a narrow minded religion like christianity. For fucks sakes even pagans worshipped nature. What did christians worship? Common sense morals and a dead jew on a stick? Fuck off.
This subhuman dross considers the sum total of human achievement 'repulsive'
Go and finish your bottle of wodka Stanislaw, adults are talking above your head, you would need an IQ of at least +10 to contribute to this discussion, unfortunately negative integers like yourself can't participate meaningfully
>jewest of jews
Do you believe everything kikes tell you? Christ was White. He was no kike, he could not be.
>Egyptian depictions of them showed them with red, blond, or sometimes black hair, and then often blue eyes (Canaan And Canaanite in Ancient Egypt, by Alessandra Nibbi, 1989, UK). They were described as appearing no different from Greeks (Josephus' Antiquities 12.5.1), and King David was described as ruddy (Sam. 16:12). Esau, the grandson of Abraham, and the brother of Jacob, the progenitor of the Israelites had red hair (Genesis 25:25).
(Pictured: Residents of Galilee from the time of Christ from Mosaic found in Sepphoris)
No, it's not. "God mitt uns." National Socialism is likely opposed to atheism. Atheism is a product of Marxism.
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
>dead jew on a stick
Please read this post and the rest of my posts.
>atheism is political other than being secular AKA allowing religious freedom
>christianity is one big sports team
>MUH SPOHRTZ TEEM BEST TEAM
>laws of phsyics and chemistry and everything else, etc. All working perfectly.
This literally means nothing because physical laws are LAWS. Also, anthropic principle.
Hey, when are IQlets ever going learn?
>trick question, they can't ever learn
Let's start a religion. Our most important rule should be that it's not gay if you're dominant.
When you have faith in nothing.
There is no hope in your mind.
I used to be an atheist and still believe there is no reason to believe there is a god. However, I identify as a Christian and my children will be raised so purely because I don't want my daughters to be sluts.
Fuck you OP. Just cause.
>Listening to 2000 year old Jewish fairy-tales
Not even once
>Do any of you seriously believe that Christianity has any future left (outside of Africa)?
Well... yeah. It's pretty stable in the Americas, growing rapidly in Africa and growing modestly in Asia. Consider that Africa and Asia will be over 80% of the global population by the end of the century.
The West is demographically dead. It's cultural provincialism to claim Christianity is dead only because it's dead in an already dying continent.
I'm not involved in your debate, but
>God mitt uns
First of all, it's "Gott mit uns". Second of all, this has been a motto associated with Germany since the days of the Kingdom of Prussia. Also note that during WW2, the Wehrmacht (the German army) used this motto while the SS (Hitler's private storm troopers) did not.
>He was no kike, he could not be
He was born on the territory which today is Palestine. I'm having a very hard time believing he wasn't either a Jew or a sandnigger.
>Egyptian depictions of them showed them with red, blond, or sometimes black hair, and then often blue eyes
>made by people who've never seen him in person
>"God mitt uns." National Socialism is likely opposed to atheism.
Only as a tool of propaganda relatively early in Hitler's career. Neither Adolf nor any of his higher-ups were truly Christian.
Of course atheism is political. Why is this a thread here, if it weren't political? Atheism does not need to allow religious freedom..
I don't know what you're talking about. Consider my posts again, and the pictures, and explain.
>literally means nothing
Huh? Like the post I was replying to said, it would be so unlikely for the universe to just, work perfectly.
>middle east white
As in, Germanic. Pure Germanic.
>middle east white
People always say this, but it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The sandnigger/kike religions "copied" Christianity, so what? Do you understand where the other two came from?
>w-what? t-that's just a coincidence!
Oh yeah? People today are born in Greece, who are not White. Greece was White. People are born today in Italy, who are not White. Italy was White. As was Egypt, Persia, Babylonia. Just because a country is filled with Arabs now, does not mean it always was.
No, that text was referring to the Israelites. Christ was a pure blooded Israelite.
>not truly christian
What makes you think that?
Thats an interesting thing to have faith in, a religious estabishment which tells you what you believe, when to believe it, and why what you believe shouldnt be believed in. Heres an idea, be comfortable with not knowing everything, or needing a supernatural tit to tell you everything will be okay when you die. You arent a special snowflake, you're a blip in what is a blip within the universe.
>forces exterior to our universe
Again, you are taking about a different thing all together
Universe is "everything that there is", there can't be forces outside the universe, there can only be 'a bigger universe that we imagined'
So basically, you believe in nothing consequential whatsoever except that the blanket word "God" should be applied to nonphysical conditions outside of our spacetime, despite the same word meaning a cornucopia of different things of varying specificity across the entire world.
You're not a christian.
Christianity certainly didnt come from "white" europeans. Theres plenty of evidence that it was slowly adopted by middle eastern mercenaries, and spread throughout the cultured world. Religions have always had power struggles with the state, Rome was no different.
So I should believe in your crackpot religion where you essentially take the word and fairytales of bronze age philosophers because its conveniant? No thanks. Im not even saying there is no god, no creator, or there isnt an afterlife. I'm simply refusing your context because its lazy.
>Secular humanism is an outgrowth of Christian culture
No, it was a reaction to it more than an outgrowth of it, unless you want to count 1500s christian thought as the birthplace of it.
But the secular humanism came as a reaction to christianity and has more to do with liberalism (what in the US is known as libertarianism, what you call liberals is... something else) than religion.
If you value knowledge over ego stroking, give this a read.
Read through the Greek/Roman part and then read through medieval Europe/christianity part. (even puts the ledarkages in the trash)
Nice maymays, pay denbts nao?
Also, obviously never heard of Khwarizmi or the Hagia Sophia, never heard of Feofan Grek and the Monreale mosaics. Never heard of Psellus, Isidore of Miletus, the troubadors, Byzantine art as a whole. You call yourself a Greek.
Also, it was Aristotle who retarded the progress of cosmology by his dogged and retarded insistence that the Earth couldn't move. Nevertheless, he recognized the need for an Ultimate Cause.
>We need to supress technology
Fuck archimedes screw, fuck the microchip, we have god.
>you believe in nothing consequential whatsoever except that the blanket word "God" should be applied to nonphysical conditions outside of our spacetime
Yes, because that is logically coherent. Something must have created the big bang in the first place. Something that is not controlled by the laws of nature.
However I do believe in our lord and savior Jesus Christ, how does that not make a Christian? The bible is man-made. Not holy.
>no true scotsman
Christianity is "evolving" pal
Chaos only lasts for a few seconds doe, until Authority is established based on natural(physical) superiority, the only way of achieving real freedom is to achieve total control and then force chaos and slash down anyone who arises as a leader
dark ages was called dark ages because of religious persecution and war with islam which stalled trade and caused constant famines, not because of muh science.
christians who rejected papacy as the mark of the beast were burned on stakes and targetted by inquisition, not fedora tippers or scientists.
>mfw Iceland is one of the safest and whitest countries in the world
Suck a dick Christcucks, your "christianity is needed to preserve the traditions of our race and ensure a future for our children" just got BTFO.
So pitifully and utterly wrong. But noo atheists are so doctrinaire and brainwashing these days. You find those of atheist parents 'coming out' as Christians. When freedom of religion was allowed for a while in Russia, many people joined various churches. You can't suppress the spiritual needs of people. Only aspies, or people with brains and souls damaged in some way, find no need for spirituality
>The West is demographically dead.
That remains to be seen. Ideology in the west on the other hand is plainly dead. No one system of thought seems to capture succinctly the predicament of current western man in a way that would unite and mobilise us, because where are we going and what are we supposed to be doing? People have a five minute attention span and nothing makes sense, how do you sell them on any ideology?
>As was Egypt, Persia, Babylonia
Uh, no. Egyptians and Babylonians were Arabs, period. Persians are bit of a special case.
>Christ was a pure blooded Israelite
And just what is an "Israelite"?
>What makes you think that?
There is no doublethink, cognitive dissonance or other thought process that would justify a real Christian trying to wipe out an entire race/ethnicity. That's why Christianity is weak and should be cast aside. Hitler himself said he preferred Islam for its more ferocious and warlike nature.
'Sides, there are some speculations he and his higher-ups were dabbling with Germanic paganism and such.
It's fucking Australia
It's a prison colony
>White people were culturally Christian before Christianity
No. That's like saying, "I liked Coke before Coke was invented". It doesn't make any fucking sense. White culture isn't the same thing as Christian culture. White people had culture before Christianity and they will have it long after Christianity.
Christianity is just some shitty bullshit you got tricked into by the desert Jew. THROW IT IN THE FUCKING GARBAGE ALREADY!
>Implying people didnt practice religion in private
Someone may be intrigued and see a sermon, but I think theres plenty of evidence that forcing religion on people does not work. The pendulum swings both ways.
>logic is semantics
It's not your snowflake version of Christianity is what it is.
Christianity is compatible with modern science and the separation of the two will only result in a greater divide.
>"Almighty God, dear heavenly Father. In Thy name let us now, in pious spirit, begin our instruction. Enlighten us, teach us all truth, strengthen us in all that is good, lead us not into temptation, deliver us from all evil in order that, as good human beings, we may faithfully perform our duties and thereby, in time and eternity, be made truly happy. Amen."
Mandatory secondary school prayer in Nazi Germany in the 1930s; from July-August 1995 issue of Liberty: A Magazine of Religious Freedom
published by the North American Division of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church in Silver Spring, Maryland
Yes, it certainly did start from White Europeans.
>slowly adopted by
Who cares what they do? Christianity is White.
No, it was spread by White men. The Israelites are White. As I have shown.
What part of the jew seeks to destroy Christianity as his number one goal do you not understand? Do you not realize this is what he wants you to do?
This exact rhetoric stems from kikes.
No, because it is the truth.
That's not in the Bible.
>suck dick christcucks
Do you really believe this? Is this what you actually believe? Atheism is, quite obviously in fact, a Marxist, jewish dogma aimed at leftist, subverted, White countries. Like I sad, and you can read my posts, that is where it is aimed.
It is obviously safest because the niggers didn't, that is, were not brought there yet.
Just wait until the "25 or younger" are running the country, it will all go down fast.
Nope, all of those were originally White nations. What, you think sandniggers built Egypt? That is a historic fact, all of those were originally White.
An Israelite is a White, paternal descendant of Jacob, a White man.
>justify a christian to wipe out a race
Huh? What doublethink? What do you mean? There is, certainly.
>christianity is weak
Marxist "christianity" is.
Can someone start a new thread?
>Atheists have these delusional fantasys of space travel and a never ending future
>There is only earth, heaven and hell
Kek, religifags confirmed to be just slightly more evolved apes. You're no better than the niggest of niggers.
The Jews had him put to death, starting their perpetual homelessness. This was God's punishment for them. Why were they destroyed? Why do they still exist when Moabites, Ammonites, Hittites, Amorites, Edomites and Kenites do not? The Jews were blessed by God with greater brainpower than most races, but also cursed by him for disobedience and made into the outcast of all the peoples
No anon it may not be in the bible, but its the same type of systemic thinking that lead to suppression of the sciences because it wasnt convenient for your fairy tale and its cult leaders.
Have you been following him?
I haven't, but of course everytime he farts the national media tells all the details, so
-Divorce is now okay
-Lesbians and Gays can now eat the cookie
-Atheists go to heaven if they are good ppl
Christianity is being turned into One World Religion, which will base itself as the representators of a 'global sense of goodness and spirituality' rather than symbolic autism.
Its literally adapting to a new world instead of having to shrink
What part of this is what the jew wants you to do, do you not understand? That this is his plan. For this to be the way western societies go. What part of the Elders of Zion do you not understand?
Actually, they are Edomites, primarily. They aren't Israelites, but they are Edomites. That is how they got a hold of Hebrew traditions.
Also, it can be said from the Bible that the jews would be a mixture of all of those Canaanite peoples.
By the way, the pope doesn't make up the rules.
Why do you seek your own destruction?
catholicism, not christianity. they're not the same. catholicism is a mixture of some christianty and paganism wrapped around politics.
catholicism with its antichrist papacy and sinful desires for world domination under religious excuses caused all of those things.
every single one of the things you list were created by power hungry roman emperors/popes, not normal christians. the popes were and are no different from politicians and presidents of today.
besides, it wasn't christians who captured and enslaved dindus, it was the jews.
>labels are logic
>names are fundamental
This is why nobody takes christcucks seriously. Their IQ is always in the dumps. Christianity is only compatible with science insofar as it states nothing consequential whatsoever. If it did, it would not be science and subsequently be diametrically opposed to it.
Which it is.
READ YOUR BOOK
So Iceland is the sniffing-coke-out-of-hookers-assholes capital of the world?
Catholics are the most degenerate people of all.
>God = Universe
Then just call it universe you stupid cuck. If you want to worship the universe go right ahead. It's basically the same shit tree or nature worshipers do.
Go smoke some weed and stare at the sky or old trees....SO DEEP....SO RELIGION....SO SPIRITUAL. If you need to pretend the trees or universe or gods care about you, go right ahead. It let's everyone else know you're a fucking beta cuck unable to deal with basic life.
>What part of this is what the jew wants you to do, do you not understand?
Jews want us to colonize other worlds, break our humanly barriers and transcend beyond what we currently are?
I guess Jews aren't so bad after all.
>Atheism is, quite obviously in fact, a Marxist, jewish dogma aimed at leftist, subverted, White countries.
Fuck you religious cucks are deluded. So a movement that brought Europe out of the dark ages and freed them from the slavery of a Jewish created religious dogma that made them all subservient to the churches and state was actually a Jewish created movement to "subvert" the already oppressed and enslaved Europeans? How retarded can you christcucks get? Remind me how many atheist institutions have enslaved, raped or murdered religious cucks in the name of their lack of belief in a god being the only true belief.
>ctually, they are Edomites, primarily. They aren't Israelites, but they are Edomites. That is how they got a hold of Hebrew traditions.
so they're the literal synagogue of satan. they say they're jews, but at most they're abraham's seed, not israel.
>out of the dark ages
What dark ages? The catholic one? No, I was talking about Christianity. There is no such thing that would be caused by Christianity.
Absolutely wrong, read my posts and then tell me.
Are you telling me America was not originally Christian? And are you telling me it did not stay Christian, until Marxists destroyed it? Were American Christians """suppressed"" by the jews???
Also. are you insinuating that Marxism and the image I posted do not mean "destroy Christianity"?
>according to this "god" that ancient jews tricked my illiterate ancestors into worshiping....
Yeah, that totally seems legit anon.
>And just what is an "Israelite"?
some people claim dindus are israelites, but i don't think jesus was an excessively angry, aggressive and impulsive guy with too little trigger discipline.
over 90% of american dindus don't fit the biblical descriptions at all.
so we should adopt jewish desert culture? why? our own history good enough on its own, the church corrupted the region by inheriting the roman empires power
it was a useful intermediate step, but it's causing cultural death when people become nihilistic from realizing it's bullshit. Most people don't have the strength to rise from nihilism, we are seeing the outcome of that with people abandoning their tribe like a sinking boat, worse they throw rocks back at the boat they jumped off
0 of them do.
"This day will I begin to put the dread of thee and the fear of thee upon the nations that are under the whole heaven, who shall hear report of thee," Deut 2:25
"And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of." Gen 35:11
"Ought ye not to know that the LORD God of Israel gave the kingdom over Israel to David for ever, even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?" 2 Chron 13:5
>jewish desert culture
Please, read my posts.
New thread, this reached bump limit:
>That remains to be seen.
The numbers don't lie. Other than America, other countries simply fail to reach the needed birth rates to keep the population stable. Germany last year dipped under Japan for the lowest fertility rate on the planet and compensated for it by taking in a million Muslims, Another million are expected this year.
The West as a geographical region will demographically survive, I'm certain. Western Civilization or even the white race will not. We'd need a literal miracle to reverse this trend, like some sort of rapid radical ideological shift THIS generation. And no, Trump and Le Pen are not going to make this true, and even if they did they would only fight the symptoms rather than the disease.
>SJW is white culture
You need to put the memes down son. You are confusing memes with reality. SJW aka social justice warriors, fundamentally care about social justice, right? That isn't a bad thing in itself. It's actually good to give a shit about others and the problem of others dumb-ass. It's actually a white concept stolen by the jews and incorporated into the christ jew.
Are there some super dumb SJW that take it to hyperbolic extremes, sure. But most people that care about social justice, aka white culture aren't like that. To them social justice just means making sure blacks get some basic rights or some shit. That sounds like a pretty decent culture to me. Much better than that christian Jewish filth.
inb4 BUTTT NIGGGERSSSSS
>da joos created my lack of belief in a god in order to enslave me (let's ignore the centuries of real oppression, where even insinuating the jews god wasn't real would get you killed)
>catholics arent christians (kek)
Tell me how a religion whose savior was a Judean born in Bethlehem, that took a lot of it's teachings from Judaism, is not a Jewish created religion.
Marxism wants to abolish all religion and culture, Christians or Roman Catholics happen to be the dominant religion in most White countries. Are you implying if they weren't Christians, or some other meme religion, that Europeans would be primitive barbarians not worthy of being targeted by Marxism? Marxism will always target the dominant group, if black atheists somehow become the majority then they'll be targeted.
Give me 1 (one) rational reason to believe in anything supernatural :)
>implying we haven't discovered exoplanets that appear habitable
Cool story. Is that part of your ancient Jewish fairtale? Is that before of after the Jew zombies wreak the city?
>all other plants are home to demons
So there are billions of billions of black science man billions of plants....but all of them are full of demons but one? DA FUQ? That's one really fucked up jewish fairytale kid.
>Thinking the future of our people is more important than a dead jew on a stick.
No I don't think he's impressed because he's not fucking real. Let's pretend for a second though that he is. I wouldn't give a fuck what your sky jew thinks of me.
Yeah, just ignore the Elders of Zion image.
Yeah, "da joos".
The Old Testament is not jewish at all. The Judeans were originally completely White, Christ was a pure blooded Israelites. Israelites are White. Greece used to be White, as did Italy, Persia, Egypt, Babylonia. Palestine was also White.
This is kind of a made up word. "Judaism" originally referred to "the religion of Judah" when it was created by the Greeks. Naturally, this would originally refer to Christianity. The OT is Christian, White, and not jewish.
Now, after the jews (as Edomites) came along, it was corrupted. Modern Judaism is a corruption of Christianity.
They aren't real Christians, they like to say they are. They do not practice anything. Thus, the "emptying of churches."
Western societies without Christianity fail, and fall.
The target is White people.
Wrong. Read my posts.
>inte vara fri på riktigt
>åka till helvetet för att man gillar nån bruds bröst
Then maybe the day comes when natural evidence support god, that day has not come. So god remains supernatural.
So i ask again, why should i believe in something supernatural?
>The Old Testament is not Jewish at all
How is the scared book of the jews....not jewish?
>the jews aren't the jews....the jews were white Aryans and....jews become the....niggers....jews..
Even for /pol/ this shit is delusional.
>societies without Christianity fall
There are plenty of societies without your jew zombie shit that are doing ok. There are plenty of Christian nations that are complete fucking garbage.
I have a hard time believing your not some dumb jewish shill.
>progress in charting of natural phenomena will eventually occur
Progress of charting natural phenomena has been occurring since fucking forever. You realize you're on a fucking computer, right? A computer build because we charted the natural phenomena of electricity and magnetism.