#174 - "catch and release should be mandatory" edi

>>1052788

What are you fishing for? A lot of people will put a snell hook on that and bottom fish for catfish, although more experienced fishermen usually prefer a free sliding fish-finder rig.

So, how are china lures?

Thinking about buying a Lew's Custom Speed Spool SLP, what's a good rod to go with it? I've been using an Ugly Stik with a Shakespeare spinning reel.

How to catch trout in the hot summer months? Where i'm at (southeastern PA) it's getting up to 90 degrees these days and the stocked trout streams are all pretty shallow

Is there a best time (early morning or sunset), or best place (upstream, by inlets, by outlets?)

>>1052828
target where a brook or something enters the main river, Theres extra aeration tthere and the incoming brooks are usually cooler

>>1052799
So far in my lake ive been catching bass small and largemouth im down to catch anything though sometimes i use hooks powerbait powerworms and
Split shots, and crankbaits ive had most success with those i have senkos but havent had much success with them yet

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>when he doesn't catch and release

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>>1052861 but why? what is your reasoning? >>1052868

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>>1052876
I want to go fishing but I need new line and I'm broke. Anyone wanna do a bro a favor??

>>1052877
Yo. Where you live?

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>>1052792
i got my 2 weight in

>>1052879
Central Florida.

>>1052830

Then you're mostly a lure fisherman after bass. Your set up will wok more than well enough. Just ditch the swivel, as it can alter the action on many baits, making them move incorrectly in the water.

Other than that, you're gold. Aside from trying out new lures, you shouldn't need any real changes to your gear and tackle unless you start targeting big catfish, crappie, trout, or get a boat or something.

>>1052803
really hit or miss. sometimes you will get a great one, other times it wont work at all
>>1052828
wet wade through the river, if you find a spot where its getting noticably cooler, fish around there, or if you see tributaries or springs, fish near those, because they will either be cooler or have better aeration
>>1052877
pepsifag might, he bought me 300 yds of power pro once

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>>1052877
fish with the old line.

>>1052883
Damn.

Okay, email me. [email protected]. I've got some spools I can send you.

>>1052828
Water will be coolest (and thus best aerated) first thing in the morning.

Deeper water will be cooler and better aerated. Try to find holes downstream of turbulent spots or the outside edge of bends in the stream.

Fish the confluences of smaller creeks and shit. They typically dig a bit of a trench, and will bring extra oxygen.

>>1052891
I've been throwing the rest.. I have 10lb tied to 12lb tied too a different brand of 12lb. LMAO this is literally it.

>>1052892
Inb4 dragon dildos.

>>1052828

Trout love love love cold water with high oxygen content. So check the deepest water you can find, especially if it's shaded and running. After that, look for structure: weeds, tree branches, rock piles, areas where the current is slacked or making little whirlpool.

>>1052894
No dragon dildos, those things are too expensive for me.

However I could strap some treble hooks on a regular dildo if you want.

>>1052885
>pespi might.
I was looking for a job locally not free shit. Hence the favor.. But I'm not gonna say no to free..

>>1052877
Wal-Mart sells 100yd of mono for like $0.94. Just dig around your couch cushions.

>>1052896
If you got any nickle sized treble hooks. Then send me those strapped to a dildo. I haven't been able to find any to replace the ones on my h2o swim bait for like ever.

>>1052900
Ummm. 2 problems
Nearest Walmart doesn't carry any fishing shit and it's 25 minutes away by car.

And no vehicle to get to dicks or Academy atm

>>1052861
>Not using your skills for their intended purpose-feeding the ones you love.
>also not having someone you love who you can provide for.
Quit being a foreveralone, anon. Keep some fish and eat them with a girl. It's legal, they taste good and she will think of you as a good provider and love you for it.

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>>1052901
>nickle sized
Nope, sorry.

>>1052905
Reeeeeeeeeeee

Someone just give me a fucking shitty job already.

>>1052877
Are you like <$50 broke? Are you a college student or something? It's just line dude.

>>1052909
>little did we know Skid was actually a richfag...

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>>1052876
Rusty crawfish, good man

Well in my opinion fishing should be purely for sport and that the enjoyment primarily comes from outsmarting the fish and secondarily from playing the fish. I like to think of how I can give the fish as much of an advantage as possible. For example, I only use a fly rod, it requires a lot of skill on the user's part and has a high margin for error. Even with a decade of experience I would still consider myself a beginner. However, it makes the practice of fishing much more sporting and satisfying. I have yet to find a legitimate and ethical reason to keep fish, although I have no grudge against people who do, especially invasives. I do think that daily limits should be changed to weekly or even monthly, but that's a pipe dream. To put it simply, recreational fisheries already face a lot of pressure and you are fooling yourself if you think culling is an effective long term solution.

t. Fisheries Biologist

>>1052904
>having your relationships be dependent on how good of a provider you are

I regularly buy my girlfriend sustainably farmed trout and she loves me just the same.

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Havent posted in a while as I havent been catching anything worthwhile lately. But thats certainly not the case now.
Caught this monster of 2,7kg/6lbs at my usual spot tonight and made a new PR.
First cast after I landed this one, another one same size took my lure, but my knot loosened and I lost both fish and lure. Im gonna check my knots more frequently from now.

>>1052918
Sick dude. Where you catch it and on what?

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This is what I bought at Cabelas today.

Spent about $250 and had 200yds of 12lb florocarbon wound onto it by the machine.

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>line collecting a few grass as I bring in my lure to the bank
>sunfish bro nibbles it off and I have a clean lure when I take it out of the water
Thanks sunnie

So i saw the biggest lmb in the river today and a bunch of other bass that I would have liked to hooked but they weren't interested with my lures.
I think by the time that I can see them, they can see me, and they get pretty disinterested at that point in eating.
Another thing is that it was just the wrong time of the day and weren't in eatin mode. I didnt see them do anything other than graze around not chasing any of the lil sunfish that stacked along the bank.
I gotta stop going out during midday this season.

In good news first channel cat on my own wooly bugger / marabou jig fly hybrid

>>1052921
>dropshotting a 5" senko in ~3ft of water
>almost to shore, little sunfish shit grabs the very tip of the tail and runs
>senko rips off the hook, come up with bare hook
>RIP $1 plastic
>repeat 10x a day
Fuck sunfish

>>1052919
Denmark, on the coast, and I think the lure was called "Savage Gear 3D line thru sandeel" 19g. It's a little more expensive than most lures, but im definitely getting another one soon.

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>>1052909
Nah. I'm rich as fuck man.. Ya see I thought about getting free line from the other anon. Then I remembered I've been up since 5am and haven't once today looked for any job postings online..

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>>1052924
>fishing cheap plastics

>>1052928
>Gary Yamamoto™ Yamasenko™
>cheap
Pick one

>>1052924
>using real gary yamamaoto senkos knowing they fall apart

>>1052931
Bitch I use it all. Senkos, stick-O's, dingers, zinkers, whatever the fuck Gander called theirs.

Some days it don't matter. Other days it's Yamasenko or no fish.

>>1052926
i havent looked at job postings in like 2 weeks

were not gonna make it

>>1052882
Those CGRs are wonderful. Gotta love smallwater fiberglass.

Also, my truck won't start so I'm stuck here waiting on a friend of mine to help me diagnose and repair the problem and can't head out and test some clouser patterns I tied. :(

>>1052929
Im implying that any plastic will be cheap crap

>>1052936
Then you're fucking retarded.

>>1052916
>Buying farmed fish instead of fishing
Get out.

>>1052935
What is it doing?

>>1052923
>I think by the time that I can see them, they can see me, and they get pretty disinterested at that point in eating.
FUCKING KEK

>>1052943
Cranks but won't start. I have enough know how to handle it narrowed down to spark or fuel but my friend is a certified mechanic with the means to actually test and everything and help me fix the problem a lot quicker.

>>1052956
*have it narrowed down

Bleh can't think straight right now

>>1052937
Im not saying plastics are bad to fish, im saying it's stupid to complain about them not being sturdy. And plenty of plastics dont get torn up by sunfish. Most zoom baits for example

>>1052914

If you were giving the fish as much of an advantage as possible, you'd be hand fishing or have a cane pole or something. Or a rig that makes the fight with the fish a totally one sided affair so it can be landed and released ASAP so as to avoid undue stress.

Or not target wild populations at all and only go after farm raised/stocked fish.

And as both a fisherman and a fisheries biologist, you'd know that even if people limit out in a single day, they very very rarely limit out every single day, and even if they did, there are usually possession limits equal to 2x days worth of bag limits, and very very few people ever eat that much fish to begin with. Lots only allow one fish of a particular kind per year via tags. No idea how you'd effectively enforce weekly or monthly bag limits.

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I love redfish so much I keep going back and looking at the OP image just to admire it.

>>1052984
Yeah that is a very nice Red in the OP pic, also a rather cute milf holding it.

>>1052992
Is it sad that I don't even care about the chick cuz that red is so nice?

>>1052914
>>1052916

>eating wild fish isn't ethical
>farming a fish to eat is

Hyprocrisy at its finest.

>doesn't understand predator prey relationships
>"biologist"

Wew


>>1052920
That's an interesting setup. What're you fishing for?

>>1052984
>>1052992
Y'all are welcome

>>1052994
Yes

Why do all the youtube fisherman wear that ruffled scarf thing around their necks?

>>1053030
Sun protection.

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Anyone know if male and femal sunfish have different colors? I took a photo of every fish I caught yesterday from that pond to finally figure out the number of species. From what I can see it looks like there are 5 different types depending on the answer to my question above. The one not pictured is what I strongly believe to be a pumpkin seed

>>1053047

Females are going to be duller than males and often lack the color on their gill "ears". Your upper left is a male bluegill. Lower left is a female bluegill. Upper right is a male Redear/shell cracker. Lower right is a male long ear.

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>>1053052
Very interesting. Thanks for the indentification I appreciate it

Is this one some type of hybrid maybe? It doesn't have the red spots every one of the Redear's had. Maybe ones male/female and the other the opposite?

>>1053047
I'm more impressed you could take a picture. Before they flopped out your hand.

>>1053058
It could be a redear/bluegill hybrid, but odds are better it's just a juvenile.

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>>1053060
Supprisingly only had one instence of one flopping out of my hand before I could take a pic. The rest all stayed perfectly still as soon as I layed them down. They're very well behaved

>>1053015
I'm fishing for cats, steelhead, and smallies. I would like to fish for muskee, pike, and walleye but I have no clue where to find them in Illinois and I don't have a boat.

who concept z hype here?

anyway whats a good hook for bobber fishing for whatever feels like eating a worm? small enough for panfish but able to hook up bass and catfish?

>>1053064
where in IL you located?

>>1053066

A size 1 or 2 Aberdeen hook could work. Might be a little big for most panfish, but I've landed plenty of larger bluegill, bass, and catfish on them while fishing for crappie. Using shiners as bait.

>>1053064
>IL
>muskie
there's like 2 lakes in NW IL that have them, and Carlyle lake and Lake Shelbyville in central IL stock tiger muskie but they won't reproduce.
>pike
Found in the northern half of the Missippi and some bigger lakes in the northern third of the state
>walleye
Obviously Lake Michigan, but also the northern third of the Missippi and the northernmost tip of the Wabash. Carlyle Lake stocks them but they don't reproduce.
>and I don't have a boat
Pretty much the only one of those that will be even remotely accessible to you is going to be pike then, and pretty much only in the Mississippi and only during spring and fall.

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>>1053066
A #2 or #4 aberdeen would be a good choice, a secondary option would be like a #2 circle hook.

This little guy got a 2/0 circle hook in his mouth.

>>1052933
use fuckin zman plastics
the shit will stretch 18 inches before snapping, and is resistant to tearing/biting from toothy fish

>>1053064
Neat. I'm assuming you went with a conventional reel for more line capacity?

>>1053066
I'm hype. Only gonna be $200.

>>1053069
South chicagoland.
I go to Indiana if I want to access lake michigan, otherwise I'm not too familiar with what larger lakes are around. Pretty much any suburban lakes/ponds are just teeming with panfish and that's about it.

I want to move.

Welp my buddy isn't gonna be making it over tonight as he got out of his shop late. Tomorrow it is.

I had just been gifted a TFO 8wt to use for the specks out here too. ;_;

>>1053073
>Bitch I use it all. Senkos, stick-O's, dingers, zinkers, whatever the fuck Gander called theirs.
>Zinkers
>Z-man
Still happens. Sunfish are like evil little gremlins.

>>1053066
What is a concept Z?

>>1053075
>Neat. I'm assuming you went with a conventional reel for more line capacity?

Yes. The more the better, however it's going to take some serious practice to get it to work with my lighter crankbaits for constant cast and retrieve during the spring and fall without backlash. The internal braking system is a bit archaic. For now my plan is to stillfish for channel cats and the steelies out on the harbors.

>>1053071
Basically what he said. But to add if you wanted to try for walleye you can get them from shore if you have waders during the spring fall at sunrise or sunset when they move into the shallows to feed.

it is possible to catch musky from shore though, you just need to be super ultra lucky.

>>1053081
Bearingless reel by 13 fishing. Looks pretty neat.

>>1052935
yeah. i got it to harass bluegill or if i ever find myself in a tiny creek chasing 8 inch brook trout
>>1052956
well its easy to check the spark
>pull all the spark plugs and disconnect the gas
>plug one in to the connector, touch the little metal prong to anywhere on the engine that is bare metal
>have a buddy turn it over
>if it sparks its good, screw it back in
>repeat for each cylinder
if its not that (which should take like 10 minutes to test all of them) your fuel is fucky. you might have just flooded it, too
>>1052984
thats a nice red too
>>1053047
from top to bottom, left to right
>bluegill
>redear
>bluegill
>long ear
>>1053058
that looks like just a little red ear, could be a redear/bluegill hybrid
>>1053063
looks like you are having fun with you 4 weight
>>1053066
use a #6 aberdeen hook

>>1053076
DL fishbrain to your phone and look around in you area. especially in rivers. i know of mallard lake up here in NW chicagoland with pike and muskie. i would assume they stock them somewhere in your area too

>>1053015
>a fish bred specifically to be eaten
>comparing it to fish that exists to further its species
There is literally no reason to eat the second one. Concerning trout, farmed fish actually taste better too.
Also

>falling for the "humans are the apex predator" meme
>thinking humans should have any part in a predator prey complex, recreationally

It these sort of copernican views that allow people to justify ruining wilderness because "muh wild meat". This isn't manifest destiny you filthy chawbacon

>>1053095
That's pretty much what I use mine for (I have the 3wt version though). I sometimes get the chance to make it into Western NC and chase native brookies and that's when it gets a lot more use.


My guess is fuel cuz it had spark yesterday when it first started acting up. It went down and wouldn't start and then started a bit later and him and I tested the spark. It's a long story but we were fixing an error with another car and we had it connected via jumper cables but we didn't think anything of it cuz it turned over just fine the second time and even drove it to the store. Still could be either thing though I guess. Life just decided to shit on me in the course of two days.

>>1052828
You'll want to fish in the morning when the water is cooler and the trout more active. Look for a colder tributary entering the main stream or find springs in the creekbed.

You'll have good opportunities for trout at Valley Creek in Valley Forge Park (check the regs) I think that's artificiales only.
Or go to the Tulpehocken near Reading.

I'm from SE PA too.

>>1053103
you must be retarded thinking farmed trout taste better than wild trout

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>>1053103
>farmed fish actually taste better

nigga wut?

>>1053103
Stop posting

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Can I get a girlfriend if I noodle for catfish within sight of women?

>>1053114
Maybe if you live in Oklahoma.

>>1053108
>>1053109
I will admit that it might be a stretch. I dont know where you all get your farmed fish from, but I live near a trout hatchery and the fish is rediculously good

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Do you guys think chicken strips would work well as cat bait?

>>1053120
I've caught catfish on a snickers bar.

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>>1053103
>farmed fish actually taste better too.
Literally no one EVER says this.
We are now laughing at you for being this stupid.

How do you determine what to set your brakes to when casting? I got using the tension knob down, but for the magnetic break I just usually throw weightless at like a 4 and if it's weighted I throw it with the break maxed.

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>>1053118
>trout hatchery
>fish is rediculously good

kek

>>1053122
That's some funny shit

>>1053118
nigga i work at a trout hatchery and our fish taste like shit

>>1053103
>fish that exist to be eaten
All animals exist to be eaten.

You act like limits are just made up by some dude going "let's see if this works". There's a bunch of research behind what limits to put in place.

A lot of fishable places wouldn't exist if people didn't make it and stock it. Is a fish from a man made reservoir different than a fish from a completely natural source? After all those fish were put in the lake to be caught and probably eaten.

My whole complaint with your view is that you think it's somehow more ethical to 1.) eat farmed fish 2.) catch and release "wild" fish (I'm sure the fish is very happy to have a hook put through its mouth and undergo tremendous stress for you to have fun, but it doesn't matter cause you aren't eating him right?)

Your whole argument is "don't eat the fishes because it hurts my feelings :("

>falling for the "humans are the apex predator" meme
>thinking humans should have any part in a predator prey complex, recreationally

Humans are literally animals. We're the most evolved species on the planet and can therefore use tools to give us an unfair advantage over other animals. That makes us the apex predator.

I bet you think hunting is bad too don't you?

Yes, overfishing is a problem. Some people do take to much and abusing the source of food isn't ethical. Overfishing in freshwater is not nearly as big of a concern as pollution or people overusing water sources. The amount of fish in the (probably stocked) water mean dick if the water is shitty and it doesn't have a way to naturally cycle back into the lake.

>tfw I've literally only kept one fish I've caught to eat
>tfw this anon still doesn't understand that more fish =/= healthier body of water
>#TroutLivesMatter

What kind of line does Jeremy Wade use for the larger species that he targets?

>>1053125
The general rule is that heavier lures will generally need more braking, while smaller lures will need less. But there's no way to tell you a specific number, because the exact right setting changes with every single different lure you throw.

Most people will advise you to set your reel's spool brakes just loose enough so that the weight of the lure at the end of your line will let it drop slowly when you let go of the spool in cast mode, but not so fast that the spool keeps spinning when the lure hits the ground. You want the reel to stop turning right as the lure touches.

>>1053131
From what I've seen looks like a lot of large test mono with steel leaders depending on the species.
A lot of fish don't need fancy flouro or braid especially considering half that dudes show is catching different species of catfish, and numerous record cats are caught on mono in the 30-40lbs range.

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Was fishing a creature bait for bass but ended up catching a chubby channel cat.

Anyone here bought a ONE3 Origin A/C yet? How are they?

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>>1053066
>>1053075
Someone say 13?

>>1053130
You DO realize that ALL Brown Trout in the USA and ALL Rainbow Trout not in the Pacific Northwest are non-native, introduced species, right? Often they can take over a fishery and crowd out native species, including native trout. It really would be best for local ecosystems if we just kept eating them out of the rivers so that the native species have a chance to survive.
But you don't want to hear any of that because you think all fish are the same and everything's natural.
Well, it's NOT, at least not where game fish are concerned. Long ago people put fish in places where they don't belong so they could catch something when they dropped a line in the water. Sometimes it's worked great, other times it's had bad consequences, and the only way we can keep those consequences from getting worse is to keep pulling fish out of the water.
That they're tasty as fuck too is a nice side benefit to the larger and more vital job of conservation that fisherman are helping to perform, and in fact are paying for the privilege of doing.
So you can fuck right off, leave us the fuck in peace, andnit would be nice for you to say thank you to us before you go.
>you're fucking welcome.

>>1053153
Sorry, meant for >>1053103

>>1053130
Sorry. I'm fucking up tonight, and I'm not even drunk.
This >>1053153
Was meant for Mr Special here >>1053103

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Fished salt for the first time today. Lucky first catch - a little flounder.
Didn't see anyone else catch anything other than sea robin. sea robins are a bit fun though, they fight decent compared to some freshwater species.

>>1053157
>catches flounder
>catches sea robin
>thinks sea robins are fun

Boy are you in for a surprise, keep at that saltwater fishing.

>>1053157
wait till you hook a mackerel. if you are on the east coas, in august get a pink gotcha plug with black spots on the back and a yellow belly, and fish that with a #40 pound test mono leader and retie every fish or two you will have fun

>>1053122

I can second this. I've caught bullheads and channel cats on gummy worms. They'll literally eat anything.

>>1053163
Would mackerel be relatively accessible from a pier? I was fishing the Long Island sound. I heard the bluefish bite picks up at the end of July, was going to head back around then to try my hand at bluefish.
>>1053161
I'm sure I am. Definitely would like to hook a keeper size flounder.

>>1053170
100% absolutely. i fish for king mackerel off a pier, and get a few spanish every year during the bluefish runs in nc. you can absolutely get spanish mackerel with bluefish. you will have an absolute blast.

>>1053163
Just a few more days then it is 8 days camping the PINNS catching spanish mackerel in the surf to fry for my dinner.

>>1053170
I've caught Spanish mackerel off of piers quite often. Jig a gold hook right against the pier.

>>1053150
That's great

>>1053153
>>1053155
>>1053156
No worries anon. I hope we don't scare him away though. His heart is the right place I think he's just kinda misguided. We all just wanna catch fish.

>>1053180
Whereabouts? I'll probably be around mustang island this weekend.

took my brother out fishing and he's so impatient...

we were only there for like 30 minutes and he wanted to leave

>>1053075
will the z reel be the ultimate meme though?

seriously asking. like i dont even know what the deal is with not having bearings in the reel.

>>1053179
Speaking of bluefish in NC. I'm probably going to be heading to Atlantic Beach next week to chase some...if I can get my truck fixed soon. This has been one of the best summers I've seen for catching fish since I've lived here and that's saying a lot since the fishing is usually always great. Just about everything is biting hard.

How hard do y'all think it is to get into iCast? I wonder if I can make a couple YouTube vids and be on a couple pro staffs and get in.


>>1053203
It's a lot quieter, and in the videos some pro was saying it cast farther than any other reel he's used.

Of course they could've paid him to say that, but I'm getting my hands on one as soon as I can to see for myself.

>>1053204
im glad to hear that

>>1053198
My wife is the same way when I take her out.
Gotta get them on the fish early and often. Bringing some water, Powerade and snacks helps lift the mood tremendously too. Nobody likes to be hot, sweaty, hungry, worn out AND not catching fish.

>>1053221
>Nobody likes to be hot, sweaty, hungry, worn out AND not catching fish.

Speak for yourself. Half the experience is being out there, 10km from where you parked or where you launched your boat, and remembering that you forgot to bring water.

>>1053198
How old is he?
Keep doing short excursions that last a little longer, as the catches happen and he develops a taste he will grow up to seek out hours of fishing himself. Might seem bored but really they are just processing it all and not sure what to do with themself. It's a skill being quiet and calm.

>>1053224
In your hypothetical you'd be a huge asshole.

>>1053227
Good thing I fish alone most of the time.

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>>1053224
>>1053227
>>1053229
I unironicaly agree with this. I'll end up fishing for 6-10 hours on a free day and If I don't plan ahead and don't pack water and food I'll just go without for the day. I feel like shit when I get home sometimes but I just remind myself I spent the whole day fishing and I feel better. I too fish alone 90% of the time

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>>1053058
Looks like what i caught and released but i wasnt sure what it was ether it was wayyyyyy bigger thought

>>1053198
brother is the same way

dont know your situation but i think part of it might be a feeling that they dont know what they're doing, even if you tell them they're doing fine

so when a bite doesnt come they feel like the must be doing something wrong because the fish arent biting.

i was just thinking of setting my brother up with some live bait instead of teaching him to work lures for now

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>>1053236
Lol wtf. Not sure if it's the angle or what but that thing looks like a fuckin football

>>1053241
hah yea your right it did

>>1053225
31 (I'm the younger brother)

he said he wants to go out tomorrow again but I think he just wants to spend time with me

I guess the problem is I don't mind going a whole day without a bite since I'm having fun trying to figure out what the fish want, but he doesn't know anything about fishing at all so it was probably a bit frustrating

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>>1052925
Mariager-anon?
Nice fish.
xoxoxo
- Odense-anon

>>1052919
>>1052925
This fucker (see pic).
How's the action on those things? Been contemplating getting one as well because they are pretty.

>>1053122

People catch catfish on soap.

>>1053224

I decided not to launch my kayak at all yesterday after realizing I had forgotten my drink cooler. Just fished under the bridge and still dis fairly well.

>>1053276
Yes, that's incredibly frustrating.
First off, he doesn't have the skills you do. You may not think of it this way, but it took you a long time to learn how to fish each lure and have confidence that it will catch fish if you do your part. He doesn't have that yet. He doesn't even know what "doing his part" means, so setting something up in easy mode is the name of the game. Just something to prove to himself he CAN do it, he can "win" at fishing.
Get him on the fish and he'll be more ready to do it next time.

>>1053153
I'm willing to call wild browns and bows invasive once our brook trout population has a chance. The other two, well actually just browns, do a lot better than native brookies do in my state. They're probably in twice as many streams than brookies.

Any wild trout population seems good to have in my state, really only exist in upper Appalachian if NJ and once you get south there's nothing for trout.

So until the state only stocks brookies in streams where they could survive in, than that would be cool.to help and kill other trout populations

>>1052920
Thats right, thanks! Have you been out fishing lately?

How can I make a minnow plug that is supposed to five 3 meters deep dive a little shallower?

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>>1053359
Just to test it out. Saturday me and a buddy are going out at night to drop some line in the local lake and get some channel cats. And then at some point next week I'm going to head out to lake michigan and try to bobber fish for some steelies.

>>1053359 meant for >>1053283

And about the sandeel lure. It doesnt have incredible movement like Snurrebassen or a Stripper spoon, but it looks just like an actuaI sandeel and you can fish it very fast, which is rare for "kystwoblers".
I find it to be basically a more realistic "Sommet".

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My buddy and I already got the double this morning. Mine was on a Zman minnow in space guppy and he got his on cut mullet

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>dad shit talks baitcasters
>says only rednecks use them etc
>explain the benefits and how using many techniques are out right better with a baitcaster
>he starts memeing how the only thing I need is spinning tackle and a Mepps

>>1053353
>I'm willing to call wild browns and bows invasive once our brook trout population has a chance.
But that's the thing: Browns and Bows EAT Brookies. They're one of the big reasons native Brook Trout populations aren't rebounding. To give the one a chance, you have to get rid of the others.

Browns and Bows may be great for fishing and eating, but don't kid yourself into thinking their presence doesn't adversely affect native fish populations; they do.

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>>1053364
Bought one today actually... needed some swivels so naturally I ended up with a lot more. Ended up with some hooks and some soft baits and a new Snapper spoon (pink and yellow for those lazy summer trout) and a box for my Gulp!-stuff as the one I used so far leaks under pressure and also the sand eel in-line.
Got the swivels I needed too so all is good.
And actually it has surprisingly vivid action for such a straight lure I think. Nothing can compare to a Stripper. Still one of the go-to's.

And no, haven't been able to fish much lately. Been too busy. Went out 30mins last week with the missus to test my kayak and then 2hrs last thursday and then again today for a few hrs in the heat. And those have been my first trips in over 2 months I think. Only a small mackerel on land. But well, that is to be expected in this heat. Trout generally don't like it too warm you know.
Fishing from a kayak is fun though. Access to spots you normally wouldn't have. So far only paddled in the canal and harbour. Can't wait to take it out on the fjord with all those little reefs and holms just waiting to be fished...

>>1053391
He's not wrong though you know...

>>1053338

This is part of why I like live bait fishing when taking people out for the first time.

It usually outdoes artificial and the actual act of catching live bait can be entertaining in and of itself. When I take my wife or nephew, they use an ultralight to catch bluegill and porgies/whiting or whatever. They always bite, always fight, and if it's slow enough, I join in and we try to see who can catch the most/biggest. And if you want, you can keep some to fry up.

the sea, she be a cruel mistress.

>>1053422
Looks good! You use those softbaits for seatrouts too? If so how? Bombarda..?
I'd love to catch some mackarel, supposedly they're in the fjord here too, but Ive never seen any.

Also word of advice, the colour on the back of those sandeels is cast into the lure, but the flashy line on the side isnt, so if you want to keep it flashy, dont let it bump around loosely in the tackle box. It's a great lure concept, but for 80-100kr, I expected better quality honestly.
The eyes and the line was pretty much completely gone on mine. I bet it has something to do with all the garfish strikes it gets too.

https://www.bassmaster.com/gear/slideshow/199-new-products-icast-2017?j=21773738&sfmc_sub=1547458896&l=4124224_HTML&u=461156032&mid=10688361&jb=0

>>1053406
Yep, understood and agree. Next year Nj will be making brookies protected in specific regions but pretty rare to find them outside of those regions so they're basically all protected.

Once they start stocking brookies and browns again I wonder how they'll be doing that

>>1053450
Softies for sea trout too, yes.
Either bombarda or carolina/texas rigged or on a simple jig head depending on where I want to fish (depth and bottom). Only bought them today so dunno if they work. I think they will though. My hypothesis is that most predatory fish will go for the same bait (adjusted for size). If bass it works for bass, perch or pike then I am pretty damn sure it will work for seatrout as well.

'My' mackerel was herring-size and actually went for a sabiki rig made for herring.
Bigger should come soon enough.
The thing with mackerel is that they come in schools. You can fish for hours and get nothing then suddenly you can get 30 fish in 30minutes and then nothing for hours again. So I guess either be patient or seek them out. Then there is the issue of getting them to bite which is a whole other problem.

Duely noted. Mainly bought it because it was pretty. I am pretty sure cheaper alternatives such as Langelands Tobis, Sommet etc. catch fish just as fine as ZOMFG 3D SCANNED hyped Savage Gear.

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>>1053480
Oh im sure they can catch trouts, I was just wondering how you would get length on the casts. Ive never fished with softies besides gulp worms.
I dont think I could do a carolina/texas rig for all the seaweed It would catch here.

It's a little strange how home/handmade spoons and lures are sold for 50-70kr while Savage Gear feel they have to charge 90kr for these machine made ones.
Hopefully the price will go down once the hype is over...

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>>1053283
>>1053422
>Savage Gear 3D line thru sandeel

those look cool, i bet you could use a sp minnow for the same.

>>1053512
Definitely a possibility. Our fishing conditions here are just a little too rough for light lures like that. The trouts would love a lure like that, but at many spots you need to be able to cast 50-70m.

damn i posted my question in the old thread
>>1053516

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>>1053517
sp's are used for surf fishing. casting them isnt a problem. I'm amazed that you can cast 19 grams 70m. what line do you use?

>>1053523
Not sure how to explain it, even though 19g sounds like not so much, its very condense, so it casts well. Its so heavy that it sinks quickly on its own, hence the no spoon-thingie under the head.
I use a 0.12-0.17 braid, with a fluorocarbon leader.
After I broke my 10ft rod I can probably cast 60m in no wind, thats with an old soft 9ft.

How do I make this dive shallower? I have never used plugs like this before, just the ones with the small square bills. Well this work for Large Mouth Bass that are at the surface?

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>>1053529
Forgot pic

>>1053529
Also, let's say, if I had a minnow plug that could dive like 20 feet underwater, and I tossed it in a river that's 30 feet deep(the Rhône), might I catch anything?

>>1053523
The 3d sand eel is 27 g isn't it? Also, the thing is solid metal and has skinnier profile to look more like sand eel. Daiwa sp is overall heavy, but it is hollow and bigger so it has more wind resistance and doesn't cast nearly as far. A 3/4 oz kastmaster will outcast any daiwa sp for this reason. I wouldn't be surprised if the sandeel spoon can outcast the sp.The difference in cast distance will also be bigger in heavy wind.

Daiwa sp is also not too great in turbulent water since it is hollow and get push around very easily and daiwa sp needs to be on retrieve with tension to dive and make good action. A spoon will sink fast and won't get affect much by rough water

>>1053535
It all depend on conditions. Sometimes the fish feed near the surface and sometimes they feed deeper in the water. Each species act differently. Just try it out and see

>>1053539
Its 19g, 27g and 40g. But Odense-anon and I both live near fjords where 27g would be wayy overkill.
Most people here use 10-15g spoons or flies. I would image the 40g version would cast well over 100m.

>>1053529
You just gotta buy plugs that go to the right depth. If one is diving too deep you just gotta let it float up, other words reel it in less. (Taking pauses and reeling it in slower)
It's not bad to do that too. Sometimes miniscule action and at the top is good.

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>>1053539
>A 3/4 oz kastmaster will outcast any daiwa sp
no, you're incorrect

>solid metal
>description says "super strong ABS
>plastic

also they make sinking sp's
they make bill-less heavy bullet sp's
thanks for your input but i'm guessing youve never thrown one before..

>>1053552
Those look happy.

Considering they're Jap lures, that should not surprise me.

>>1053552
I do throw them before. I"ll give you that a 3/4 oz kastmaster might lose to the bullet sp and the heaviest floating version in no/mild wind. Kastmaster will probably still win in heavy incoming wind.

I forgot about the bullet since it cost 1.5x as much as the original sp while it's not as good and versatile from what I've heard

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Looking for a good spinning rod setup for freshwater fishing. I was looking at a 2500-2000 size. For Small mouth and sun fish

>>1053529

Longer the bill, the deeper it dives. Either get a sander and grind it down (not recommended) or buy a similar lure with a shorter bill.

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>>1053558
the bullet is great in oncoming wind when you dont feel like throwing metal and also when fish are chasing baits deeper. I like that you can walk the bullet, the swimming action would be comparable to the line through eel. theres a youtube of a tournament caster throwing the sinking sp endzone to endzone on a field, something to aspire to but not truly necessary to catch fish.

>>1052792

>>1051741 Here. Fishing was fun, got two bass that were at least 17" long each. Tequila Sunrise is GOAT tier.

>>1052861
>buying meat instead of getting it for next to free

>>1052914
>prefers to play with food instead of efficient harvesting
Lad, that's what we call unethical as all fuck. You don't try to kill a deer with a .22LR because it's cruel to play with your food.

>>1052926
>Navy Fed
Navy or USMC?
I'd help a nigga out but I'm not much better right now.

>>1053391
Well, he isn't very wrong. That said, I vastly prefer muh powerbait. So far mepps has only gotten me panfish.

>>1053562

Can't go wrong with the Shimano IX reel. Pair with a medium/light 6 to 7 foot rod and you're good for under 30 bucks.

>>1053188
Big shell but not untill the 13th

>>1053518
They're going to be where it's cold. Try fishing in the morning/evenings and go deep during the rest of the day.

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>>1052792
>Get skunked for 3 days using lures
>Swith to night crawlers and catch this decent channel cat in 5 minutes

Why do people fall for the lure meme?

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>>1053607
you were using lures to try and catch cats?

>>1053609
No, I was trying to catch bass with the lures. All I caught were a couple dinks.

Then I got pissed and started deadsticking worms.

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>>1053607
Get gud

>>1053607
>I am bad at something
>therefore it is a meme
Rip America

Yo

>>1053607
Mmmm that is a nice b cup catfish right there.

>>1053609
And there is the d cups.

>>1053616
Sup

>>1053629
How you doing

>>1053653
No, it's not that hard to just whip it out and pee in the stream.

>tfw it's snook time at the pier
>tfw have never caught a snook over slot size

If I didn't have work I'd be out there every single day until I land a sea cow.

I'm diggin this 8 weight. I can properly double haul and 50' cast are easy. Accuracy isn't all there but it isn't terrible.

My 5wt really was hot trash.

>>1053672
glad you enjoy it, with some practice you can probably get out to 80 feet. are you using cabelas line or air-cel?

what are some good bass baits to throw on these warmer summer days

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>>1053676
This please. I haven't caught a fucking fish in at least a week.

>>1053676
Well I read in a fishing magazine years ago that some some guy who guides on a lake says to stick to slim profile, long lengths, and plum colors.
His list was trick worms, finesse worms, and Ol' Monsters in plum and red bug and a few other worms that I can't remember.
Personally I've been having luck with lizards (red bug) and squarebill crank baits (sexy shad), but I've been fishing in the mornings.

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>>1053676
I prefer Berkley Powerbait Power worms. Specifically the Tequila Sunrise ones. Once the ice melts I use it up until August/September here in Iowa. At that point I tend to have better luck with real worms on a hook and bobber or using crankbaits.

>>1053686
>Once the ice melts I use it up until August/September
Here in Texas 7" Tequila Sunrise power worms are the only thing I've caught bass on when it's cold.
I froze my ass off one December at my local pond, but it was the first time I pulled a 4 pounder out of there with it.

>>1053688
I don't ice fish at all desu. Too often the ice is too thin to actually go out on and I wouldn't know how to break a perfectly straight line in the ice so I could fish somewhat normally.

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>>1053690
>break a perfectly straight line in the ice
Really, what did he mean by this?

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>>1053674
It's the cabelas saltwater shooting line (night and day from the line that came with it). The only problem I have is from the larger clousers I tied. They feel too heavy, but still throwable if I had too.

>>1053676
Straight tail worms all day mang

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>>1053672
What rod did you get? Post pics

>>1053676
I been slingin finesse jigs lately

>>1053690
>I wouldn't know how to break a perfectly straight line in the ice so I could fish somewhat normally

Uh.. anon..

>>1053697
>>1053699
Alright, so the pond has enough ice to cover most/all of it. Yet the ice is not thick enough for me to walk on.

What the fuck am I supposed to do? Somehow break a perfectly straight line in the ice so I can reel a fish in? I'll assume you can make this small leap in logic.

>>1053607

Artificials are cleaner and require less upkeep compared to live bait. They're also less likely to result in gut hooked fish which makes them preferred for catch and release. People using live bait brought from somewhere else can also result in invasive species being introduced.

Many states have regions, seasons, and species where one can only use artificial so if you want to be able to fish everywhere all the time, you'll want to use it.

There's also to a lesser extent the idea that using live bait is for "poor people" or folks who aren't in it for the sport. Many lure fisherman (especially bass fishermen) look down on live bait users (especially catfish fisherman) with the same disdain fly fisherman (especially trout fisherman) look down on everyone else. It's also harder to market hooks, swivels, and weights than it is to market new lures or specially tied flies so you just see less hype being generated around the stuff.

But live bait generally outperforms lures, which generally outperform flies.

>>1053676

I'm gonna try an alabama rig tomorrow after work in the noon day sun. Let's see if it works.

I'm a big fan of top waters at dawn and dusk though. Frogs, jitterbugs, and Zara spooks especially.

>>1053686
>Berkley Powerbait Power worms
whats the difference between these and zoom u-tails? If you want scent you could just throw garlic into the zoom bag

>>1053698
>They feel too heavy, but still throwable if I had too.
here are my two tips
1: make syre you are pausing long enough on your back stroke for your line to totally straighten out
2: open your loops a little bit to keep the streamer farther from your main line. you shouldnt have too much issue still getting 50+ feet with practice
>>1053699
if i remember correctly, he got the cabelas 3 forks/presige plus combo

>>1053710
They have a thicker body and a different profile.
u-tails are really fucking noodly. Honestly if I was going to use a zoom ribbon tail I'd just go straight to a Mag II.

>>1053710
Shape for one. That will affect the action of the worm.

Otherwise I haven't used those ever so I can't say very much. However I doubt they have a color like Tequila Sunrise and the color often affects performance. I say that because I've used several different Powerbait Power Worms and Tequila Sunrise works the best out of all of them. It could very well be simply due to how easy it is for the fish to "see" it in the water.

>>1053715
Fish are alcoholics.

>>1053157
Florida has the dankest saltwater fishing ever and the best part is that you don't even need a boat to get them. I will never forget the first time I hooked a snook off boynton beach. It did all sorts of crazy jumps and powerful runs before it got unhooked. Truly makes bass fishing boring.

looking for a baitcasting set up to throw plastic/cranks/jerkbaits/squarebills and anything under 1/2oz

my 6'6 mh HMX is great for frogging or heavier stuff but i cant really launch anything under 1/2oz very well

ideally i'd like to try something other than a larger HMX rod. less than $200. already looking at a tatula or curado for the reel.

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>>1053702
You don't fucking cast and retrieve while ice fishing my dude. You drill a hole and jig vertically
>>1053711
Noice. I've been trying to figure out what kinda fly rod I wanna get for this years salmon run and I think I'm gunna go with a local rod maker. They are shockingly cheap, have a great warranty and were made specifically for the river I plan to fish.

>>1053676
Shallows and shade early and into in the late morning. I'd work tree/shrubs lines, overhangs, etc. Lily pads if your tackle permits. Topwater I'd go with poppers or spooks depending on if the fish want a slow presentation or are willing to give chase. If the fish won't strike at the surface I'd go with squarebills, shallow suspending jerkbaits , spinnerbaits or jig spinners, again depending how active they are. If water temps are high enough to have the fish really sluggish go with T or C rigged worms, football jigs, or really slow rolled spinners. Jigging spoons/silver buddys if that's your thing and you don't have to worry about snags.

Take note of large, consistenly shady places as the day goes on. They'll be cooler and prime spots to target when surface temps go up in the sun stricken areas. Also go deeper as things heat up throughout the day, especially if there isn't a lot of shade available on the body of water and the fish are no longer striking in the shallows.

For color selection know what's in the water this time of year. Bullfrogs, crawfish, bluegill, crappie, perch... figure out what the bass' food source is and match the color. Be sure to look down the mouths of any you catch before you throw them back. Sometimes you'll see some chunks of crawfish, the tail of a shad, or whatever sticking out of their gullet. Barring that some old rules of thumb are "bright days bright colors, dark days dark colors", black and noisy in murky waters to make a solid silhouette and ping the lateral line, and the blue-violet end of the color spectrum is visible the farthest underwater if I remember right.

>>1053729
He's saying the pond doesn't freeze over thick enough to ice fish and he can't fathom a way to break a wide, straight path out through the thin ice so he has a clear area to cast into. My answer to him is he's SOL. I guess he could go miniature icebreaker with an aluminum boat to break it up but that's more hassle than its worth. Never minding that if air temperature is sub freezing it's just going to start freezing back over, quickly too considering it's a pond and not moving water.

I tried fishing a half frozen pond a year or so ago. The jig skirt was freezing solid, the spool icing over. I say do what the rest of us do who get winters but not strong enough for ice fishing - sit inside and order more tackle than can be justified because spring time can't come soon enough.

>>1053729
>Drill a hole
Okay, I get that you are a trip fag. So I'm trying to be patient with your autism. Now let me spell it out.

In order to drill a hole in the ice, the ice needs to be able to bear the weight of a person and their gear.

I weigh over 200 lbs with all of my gear.

The ice in my area is usually too thin to bear that kind of weight.

So how in the fuck am I going to walk out onto ice, that is going to break beneath my feet, in order to drill a hole and fish?

Do you now understand?

>>1053751
fish under a bridge. stand on the bridge, throw a cinder block in the water, wait 20 minutes, then drop a line in

>>1053718
That's partly because LMB fishing IS boring.
Those fish are fucking lazy as fuck. Even a fucking 3oz golden shiner puts up more of a fight.

>>1053751
If it's too thin to walk on then you can't fish. Simple.

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>>1053729
I think Imma get a rod from these fine folks when I get so extra cheddar saved. They're out of NC so it'd be supporting a (somewhat) local business and I can never have enough small water rods for West NC brookies.

>>1053715
DEADASS TEQUILA SUNRISE STRAIGHT GOAT SENPAI

tried to other colors they work like shit, tequila sunrise and them mufuckas biting

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Caught this mean motherfucker, almost broke my line.

>>1053676
>>1053678
Robo Worm brand Robo Worm, morning dawn or morning dawn w/ chartreuse tail

Berkley Powerbait Floating Worm, white or bubblegum.

Berkley Gulp sinking worm, green pumpkin

Z-Man TRD ned rigged in PB&J or Junebug or bubblegum

Zoom Finesse Worm in sprayed grass, green pumpkin+red flake, or watermelon red

Zoom Ol' Monster in BLACKED black

>>1053788
lower your drag. Youd be surprised how little line tension you need to catch and land a fish.

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What's your summer set up? I've been using a shimano curado with a Fenwick hmg

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I have to catch three fish this weekend to justify my absurd spending on fishing. One on the Penn I bought awhile back, one on the fly, and one on the meme caster I got specifically for salt. All I ask for it 3 fish.

>>1053699
Sorry I've been packing. The cabelas three forks/prestige is what I got.

>>1053711
Thanks anon. I was still getting okayish distance it just didn't feel as good as the lighter stuff I tried. I'm sure once I use it some more I'll get more comfortable.

>>1053758
Pls no bully muh green fish

>>1053814
>everything but frogging
Field and Stream Tech Elite 7' medium paired with a Lew's Speed Spool LFS, running 10lb P-line Fluroclear
>frogging
Abu Veritas 2.0 7'6" MH paired with an Okuma Stratus V running 30lb Power Pro

>>1053843
>anon
woops forgot m trip.
>3 fish
start fly fishing in the fresh, cast a clouser or a popper at anything that looks like you might snag on it and hope a bass is under it, im sure you will get your 3 fish soon enough

>>1053852
Eh I'm not gonna count freshwater feesh. I caught 6 or 7 gills on the fly today and I've caught a few bass on the memecaster.

>>1053877
fair enough. start with the fly rod in early mornings i would say, i think thats your best shot at fly fishing the surf

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I had my memecaster spooled with some 50lb braid today by a machine. I think the guy might have wound wayy too much line on, the spool is almost entirely covered and full. Will I be okay or does thid look okay?

>>1053881
A hair too full but it'll work.

You're supposed to leave around 1/8" of spool showing, you've got around 1/16", maybe a hair less.

>>1053881
its only slightly overspooled. you will be fine

>>1053879
Imma stop by a tackle shop and ask where the good spots are.

>>1053881
I like mine filled up all the way like that. I would rather have to take off some braid than to either have it low, or a knot in my line.

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Hey all, I bought a new fishing kayak and I wanna test it out tomorrow. I'm new to kayaks so overlook my lack of knowledge. What are these 2 holes for on the back? Shouldn't they be plugged?

>>1053902
Those are, depending on who you talk to, either scuppers (technically wrong but politically correct) or bung holes (and not the kind you get TP for). You can but aren't required to plug them with bung plugs.

>>1053904
lol thanks, so basically for drainage?

>>1053895
good thinking

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I'm going catfishing on saturday and this is my rig, what do you guys think?

>memecaster with braid
>1/2oz egg sinker
>barrel swivel
>16" florocarbon leader
>3/0 Gamakatsu big river hook
>chicken liver and crawler

Think I'll be good? I don't catfish often.

>>1053930
should be fine. add some pantyhose to help hold on the liver though

I bought some of these Mikes trout egg baits. Do they work in the summer?

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>>1053986
Forgot pic

>>1053930

I usually mono as my leader. Fluro is useful for being clear in water, non stretchy, and abrasion resistant, but catfish aren't line shy and braid is already non stretchy and abrasion resistant.

I usually go with slightly heavier mono leader. It stretches, which helps set the hook without tearing it out of the fish's mouth and gas some give when you go to land it and the fish starts to thrash/roll/surge.

Also, chicken livers and worms catch plenty if small to decent cats. For even more, try stink bait, especially punch bait on a treble hook.

And when you want to go after the bigger ones, absolutely nothing beats live or cut bluegill/sunfish You might even catch a big bass or two.

Oh and a pair of needle nose pliers.

>>1053987

They work for trout. Probably panfish.

>>1053496
>I dont think I could do a carolina/texas rig for all the seaweed It would catch here.
You can always try rigging them weedless. Maybe that helps. And if floating seaweed is a problem too add some sort of weed-catcher 1-2m in front of the lure. I've done that a few times with mixed success. Most of the floating shit gets caught in front of the lure rather than on it.

And yeh... those 3d sandeels is mainly hype I think. Completely unrealistic lures catch fish too.
While we're at it I have mixed feelings about Savage Gear (SG). They make some nice, innovative lures but most of it seems a gimmick to me. But they are damn good at marketing and I suspect their lineup is better at catching fishermen than catching fish.
They are some of the first to really cash in on modern technology with social media, youtube, 3d scanning and such and I appreciate the idea but I also find must of their stuff gimmicky, overhyped and overpriced.

>>1053512
Probably. Our trout eat pretty much any living thing in the sea. Their diet consist of anything from herring to fleas. And often they are picky as hell. Eg. if they are only a frenzy feeding on nereididae you won't catch anything using a spoon lure for example. And in periods they are feeding on fleas only which means you have to whip out a fly to catch anythng.
Other than that the gear is, I assume, what Americans would call heavy bass gear. 8-12" rods w. casting weight 10-50g usually. So as >>1053517 says, a bit rougher.
I kindda disagree on the 50-70m-thing though. Fly fishermen cast 30m or so and they catch plenty of fish too. In some spots 70m is required though.
The problem more often than not when it comes to length is wind. Throwing a wide spoon or a light wobler up against the wind is kindda futile.

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My only hobby growing up was playing sports, and now that I'm in my 20s I wanted to do something outside. So I bought a baitcaster looked up some videos and 100 thousand bird nests later I found my new fucking love. I fish 4x a week now, and I've been doing it for 6 months. I got up a canal on my way home from work for atleast 30 mins, then on my days off I take my girl out to the lake. It's been so much fucking fun, I can't believe as a kid I thought it was boring. Pic was this evening

Can you fly fish anywhere? Or does it have to be clear water and trout? And can you catch bass on a fly?

>>1054005
>Can you fly fish anywhere?
Yes. As long as you don't have bushes, people or other shit behind you. Even then there are 'tricks' but room is preferable.
>Or does it have to be clear water and trout
Nop. A fly is not much different from any other lure. They are generally smaller and lighter but even that is no hard rule. Look up fly fishing for pike for example. I think the reason fly fishing for trout is so popular is because of the aesthetics of fly fishing and the perception that trout are somewhat noble fish (don't ask me why) and the fact that trout is one of the few decently sized fish that also eat small prey such as fleas as I mentioned in >>1053997
>And can you catch bass on a fly?
I don't see why not. You can get flies imitating just about anything from small fish to worms.

>>1052920
What a stupid fucking setup for a rod. Why in God's name did you buy that trash reel and not a low profile if you're using 12lb line?

That reel sucks compared to others in the price point. Oh you need line capacity? Just use braid with a fluorocarbon leader then. God dammit people are so fucking stupid. It's the same deal with the idiots who buy Shimano calcuttas with their massive 11 pounds of drag force and slow fuck gear ratios when they could have a new Shimano Tranx instead or big Abu reel.

God dammit I'm mad.

>>1053123
Farmed carp and most cyprinid family fish taste better farmed. Tilapia on a veggie diet taste better farmed too.

You're a dumb ass.

Salmon and trout often taste and grill better too due to their higher fat contents.

Let me guess you think fat in meat is bad and doesn't help it cook. Must be why everyone and their mother cuts beef or pork fat into their red game meat from deer and elk.

Dumb ass.

Can I use meat as sunfish/blue gill bait?

>>1054015
I caught a blue gill with a chicken nugget once

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>>1054005
Yes, you can fly fish anywhere and catch anything that will eat flies, small critters or minnows, which is basically anything.
You don't need tonfish flies in cold water, though troutfags don't want to admit it.
Both bass and panfish can be taken on a fly. There's a whole separate school of thought concerning warm water fly fishing. If you want a book to read about it (fly fishermen love writing books almost as much as they love reading them), try to find a secondhand copy of "Fly Tying and Fly Fishing for Bass and Panfish" by Tom Nixon. The guy revolutionized and codified warm water tactics and patterns that work, despite not looking like "proper" flies.
>pic related, the pattern he pioneered that has since been named "the Tom Nixon Spinner" in his honor

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>>1054012
>he really believes his ignorant bullshit about farmed fish tasting better

You're the ONE person who thinks that. Not even THE FISH FARMERS themselves believe it tastes better than wild-caught. No, not even Tilapia. They just farm tilapia because it's more tolerant of literal shit in the water than just about any other species of food fish in the Western Hemisphere.
You're a complete idiot.

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I just went fishing at my park's pond, a lot hybrids that are really stunted but they act like a bass.

>>1054022
I have a literal degree in zoology with a specialization in aquaculture and fisheries biology so I'm going to doubt your autistic claims and boisterous laughter. You're the idiot. Double blind taste tests show people either can't tell the difference or they pick the farmed fish. People can't even pick Asian carp apart from striped bass and catfish in those taste test studies. I'm even fooled by the double blind tasting I've taken part in. Good lord.

I bet you think sushi is best fresh too and don't know all sushi is frozen for a predefined time by law in the USA.

Fucking chump.

>>1054042
>I have a degree therefore my opinion on the taste of fish is correct

O I'm laffin

>>1054042
>People can't even pick Asian carp apart from striped bass and catfish in those taste test studies
I'm gonna need a source for that.
>you think sushi is best fresh too and don't know all sushi is frozen for a predefined time by law in the USA.
Well duh that's common knowledge, they flash freeze to kill parasites on mostly freshwater fish.A lot of reputable and high end sushi bars have direct source for their fish and majority of it is wild caught saltwater species. Only fish that's farmed is salmon.

>>1054043
Literally Google double blind fish taste tests of different species and farmed vs wild.

You're wrong.

>>1054042
You can absolutely tell the difference. That's like saying there is no difference between wild and farmed game. Diet and lifestyle make all the difference with taste.

>>1054019
Thanks man I'm definitely gonna look into it. I live in AZ so I'm looking into warm water

>>1054046
See>>1054054


You people are unbelievable. It's honestly like listening to all the redneck idiots calling a certain fish trash or no good and then people watch any YouTube catch and cook taste test and whine when stuff tastes good when it "shouldn't because Bubba says dem fish is gross".

Gar tastes fantastic. Yet everyone thinks they are gross. Asian carp taste great too as do snake head.

Idiots.

>>1054058
Good lord you're stupid. Wild game tastes worse that's why everyone and their mother cuts beef and pork fat into deer. Google deer and bacon and you will see thousand of recipes and way to cut bacon into deer to make it taste less like ass and dead fish.

Wild game back straps are the best parts and even they can be gamey as all fuck.

Farmed animals taste better. Get over it. It applies to fish fed a correct diet too.

Cow tastes better than elk. Anyone who says otherwise is a woodsman hipster.

>>1054054
The reason people can't tell difference between farmed and wild caught is the fact majority of resturants especially chains resturant opt for a cheaper source of farmed fish. Anyways the majority of people here can tell the difference from farmed and wild and they'll choose wild. Have you truely tasted wild caught tilapia? Totally different.

>>1054060
>>1054066
>muh edumacate yerself
You made a claim nigger, back it up. Hell, we'll go full autism here, link a proper god damn study in a peer-reviewed academic journal.

>>1054066
>Wild game tastes worse that's why everyone and their mother cuts beef and pork fat into deer.
lol no

People cut fat into game meat because it is invariably very lean.

If you don't like the taste of wild game it's simply because you were raised on bland boneless/skinless chicken breast and ground beef. You have the palate of a typical urban N. American basically.

Grouse is better than farm-raised chicken and moose blows beef out of the water. You just don't like meat with taste because you aren't used to it, and disdainfully refer to it under the umbrella term, "gamey".

>>1054060
>catch and cook taste test and whine when stuff tastes good when it "shouldn't because Bubba says dem fish is gross".
>Gar tastes fantastic. Yet everyone thinks they are gross. Asian carp taste great too as do snake head.
>Idiots.
Wtf are you on? Are you the zoology faggot with farmed fish hard on?

>>1054060
Sylvia, G., Morrissey, M.T., Graham, T. and Garcia, S., 1995. Organoleptic qualities of farmed and wild salmon. Journal of aquatic food product technology, 4(1), pp.51-64.

Skog, T.E., Hylland, K., Torstensen, B.E. and Berntssen, M.H., 2003. Salmon farming affects the fatty acid composition and taste of wild saithe Pollachius virens L. Aquaculture Research, 34(12), pp.999-1007.

Grigorakis, K., Taylor, K.D.A. and Alexis, M.N., 2003. Organoleptic and volatile aroma compounds comparison of wild and cultured gilthead sea bream (Sparus aurata): sensory differences and possible chemical basis. Aquaculture, 225(1), pp.109-119.

Fuentes, A., Fernández-Segovia, I., Serra, J.A. and Barat, J.M., 2010. Comparison of wild and cultured sea bass (Dicentrarchus labrax) quality. Food Chemistry, 119(4), pp.1514-1518.

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>>1054066
>I have never tasted wild-caught anything ever
We know.

>>1054004
Post the fish you catch

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>>1054042
>all this projection
Nice strawman and ad hominem arguments. You're proving you can't think logically either.

You know what double blind studies ALSO show? That educated wine tasters can't tell the difference between red wine and white wine with red food coloring added, despite obvious things like tannins in the red wine, which do add bitterness and were easily detectable by laymen. And the more educated they were, the less they could tell the difference.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070928231853/http://www.academie-amorim.com/us/laureat_2001/brochet.pdf
>>1054060
>bringing up Gar, snakehead and carp
Now you're moving the goalposts too.
We weren't talking about that.
We were talking about your claim that farmed fish tastes better than wild. You can't defend that, as not even YOUR OWN CITED STUDIES back it up ("no difference" is NOT the same as "one tastes better than the other"), so now that you have no evidence to back up your claim whatsoever, you're just doing damage control and appealing to your credentials, which is ANOTHER logical fallacy.

That makes four logical fallacies so far, and no doubt you're going to continue adding more now that your evidence has been exposed.

Your education is one thing, but this is all peripheral bullshit to mask the fact that you have no experience in the real world and don't know what you're talking about.

But by all means, keep going. You're very entertaining, and I haven't had this much fun laughing at a stupid person in weeks.

>>1054066
>Cow tastes better than elk

>posting an opinion as fact
>posting a wrong opinion
Wew

>>1054005
>Can you fly fish anywhere
abolutely. if you have room to cast you can fly fish there
>And can you catch bass on a fly
again, absolutely, tons of people bass fish with a fly rod, and you can go after just about anything on a fly rod. panfish, catfish, carp, pike, bass, just about anything. if it will eat a minnow, aquatic insect, or crustacean, you can catch it on a fly rod.
>>1054038
thats not a hybrid anything that is a warmouth, and they dont get much bigger than 4-5 inches anywhere

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>>1054094
It's a greenie my mistake. The NY DEC doesn't stock park ponds with warmouths they're non native in our area, especially the 5 boros. I would like to catch one though

>>1054086
The studies cited here >>1054077 actually note that the tasting panels preferred wild fish. Except for the first one (Organoleptic qualities of farmed and wild salmon), I couldn't get access to that one. Strangely the local hospital could.

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Did everyone forget to take their autism pills this morning?

Long Island Sound fishing report says bluefish bite is excellent. How should I target them from the pier? What sort of rig/bait works well?

>>1054112
Bunker chunks with a fish finder rig or any flashy spoon,plug or jig with a fast retrieve should do it

>>1054106
>autism pills
>pills
They're CAPLETS, not PILLS.
REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>1054104
So even his own cited studies wreck his claims?
That's even better than I thought.
This is a glorious day.

>>1054127
Well I was thinking the same but when the three I can read (or at least read the abstract) invariably say that people preferred wild fish, I decided it was probably a response proving the other guy wrong.

So a different anon proving the farm fag wrong.

If I want to make a pitching set up should I get a left hand retrieve?

>>1054132
It's personal preference. There's only been one time where I think a left hand retrieve would've got me the fish. It's never been an issues otherwise.

If I'm really confident there's a fish in an area I'll just pitch with my left hand.

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Can I use fly fishing flies to catch frogs? Also how do I make deep diving lures dive a little less?

>>1054140
>Also how do I make deep diving lures dive a little less?
crank them then everynow and then jerk up the rod tip so they ascend a few feet. If they float then you can pause and let them float up at their own pace.

>>1054139
Alright good to know since it seems like left handed are usually sold out.

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>>1054140
My best frog catching lure is a frog. I'd imagine a popper would work if you want to do it with a fly rod. As for making lures run a little shallower you can use mono which helps a tiny bit since it floats. Other then that your only option is retrieving it slower and pausing it so I can float back up a little then get reeled back down. Easier just to get a new bait that runs at an appropriate depth you want it to be

>>1054117
I was told lures suck for saltwater fishing. Do lures produce a lot less compared to bait?

>>1054132
Up to you.
Pitching isn't as nearly as distance-dependent a skill as plain old casting, it's much more focused on precision and very low surface splash.
But if you can do both with one setup-and you can-why wouldn't you?

>>1052925
Nice. Sjælland here where is the best spot for Fishing im new to this.

>>1054153
Most times yes.
There are some specific instances and situations where lures can outperform bait, but for the most part it's all about the convenience factor. Live bait goes bad and leaves stink on your hands. Lures don't.

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>nignog tipped over my bucket of live shiners and walked away

>>1054042
i dropped out of high school and never went to college. I possess zero degrees but i must say that you know jack shit about fish.

anyone in here have a 3d printer and want to print me a little fly reel? i think it would be pretty cool to have a 3d printed reel for my 2 weight. it will never have any more than 4x tippet on it anyways, so if i could break 6 pound line without breaking the reel it is strong enough for me

My roommate always seems to try to get me to bring home shit that I catch even though I really fucking don't want to and it always leads to a fucking never ending argument. What do?

>>1054191
Explaining to him why you fish and what CnR means should be enough for anyone thats reasonable. Someone should understand you fish for fun/sport not for food and how it's just a hassle prepping the food too.

If they don't get it im afraid he/she is an asshole but you should know that by now

>>1054191
Are they willing to clean and cook the fish? Perhaps make a meal for you?

>>1054143
It's definitely not a bad idea. I just wouldn't worry too much about the handedness unless you're planning to fish tournaments where that one fish may be the difference between winning and losing.

>>1054191
Does he expect you to clean it and cook it? Because I can understand being like "hey anon if you catch anything good bring it home and I'll cook it for us." But if he expects you to do all the work that's some entitled shit.

And the hassle of just bringing back fish is a good enough reason not to. Tell him to stop being a douche.

>>1054193
Yeah, I've tried explaining it to him but he is definitely an asshole. I do occasionally keep fish but when I do that it's because either a) it's not gonna make it anyway or b)I was really craving catfish or crappie. That is not the all of my trips or even 10% of them.

It's just like every single fucking time I come home it's, "Empty handed? Didn't catch anything?" and then I'm like, "I caught plenty but I didn't keep any." and I get a snotty, "well that sounds like a fucking waste.". I'm tired of that shit.

>>1054191
tell them to buy a rod and catch their own fish

>>1054204
This. Fuck him.

>>1054197
I'd be doing majority of the work. He might cook it but as far as cleaning and prep, that'd be something I'm stuck doing cuz he's a big clean freak. I've also been put into the situation where I've brought home something for us, cleaned and prepped it, got told that he'd cook it, and then he never did and I had to fucking toss it. I'm not wasting a fish for no fucking reason.

>>1054199
Some people can't comprehend that fishing can be a leisure activity rather than a means for getting food.

>>1054010
I switched the line to 40lb braid, calm your dick.

>>1054210
Yeah, in that instance he's just an ass.

What's everyone's favorite recipes for fish?

>>1054159

>live bait shorefishing

I remember when I was 5 too.

>>1054214
For cats I like breading em in cornmeal with some Tony Chachere's and frying em in the cast iron. Works good with crappie and bluegill too.

For redfish (which I only keep if the poor fish was already a goner) I blacken em in a cast iron. Press the fillers in melted butter on both sides then press one side in Caribbean jerks seasoning and lightly sprinkle it on the other side. Place them in the skillet on the heavily seasoned side till they get a nice crust and then flip em over and cook the other side for about two minutes, then add a bit of water to the skillet.

>>1054214
>some flour
>paprika
>garlicsalt
>pepper
>an egg
>can-o-beer
>usually i go for red stripe
>mix together
>dip filet in plain flour
>dip in beer batter
>fry in butter
>serve with lemon
its pretty good for panfish and stuff. for finer fish (flounder, trout, salmon, etc)
>chop some green onion
>zest a lemon
>sprinkle on some pepper and salt
>fry in butter with lemon zest and green onions
>microwave your zested lemon for 20 seconds
>cut in to quarters
>as the fish is nearing completion squeeze some lemon on to the fish so it glazes on to it
>serve with another lemon wedge incase the person eating it really loves lemon

>>1054215
yea, you think that's bad? some dude had a giant ass bucket for shrimp and then had 2 bait traps sitting out on a basic ass pier that doesn't even go out a mile.

>>1054215
>I don't like catching fish and having fun
We can tell.

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>>1054238

>he needs live bait to catch fish and have fun

>>1054244
Don't need it, posted plenty of pics here of me catching fish on lures.
Just acknowledging that live bait catches more than lures do, and that catching fish is fun.
Sorry if the truth triggers your autism, friend.

>>1054247

You'll catch more fish with dynamite too, dipshit. More=/=better.

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>>1054010
people use those with 12lb test to troll lakes deep for trout, maks and kokes on riggers
all that bs you wrote, nigga you sound dumb.

>>1054227
The redfish recipe works well for speckled trout, black drum, and mahi mahi as well.

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>>1054215
>i never catch fish the story

>>1054244
Hey, sometimes you need live bait. At the pier its next to impossible to work a lure when the fish are next to the pilings or under the pier. Also if the water is crystal clear some species won't even touch a lure.

>>1054227
>>1054235
>>1054255
That sounds tasty as fuck. Sadly the only one of those in my area is catfish and I can't seem to catch those.

Honestly I sometimes bake fillets after some seasoning with some pepper, lemon, lime, and then whatever I think will taste good. For example, caught a bass last week and I did above with basil.

More often I'll fry them basically the same way you do Skid. Honestly I'm a bit afraid of fucking up my bass or bluegill to the point of in-edibility, so I don't experiment as much as I usually do.

>>1054260
You can also use the blackened recipe on stripers if you have any in your area. Just make sure you don't forget to pour a bit of water in your skillet. You want the vapor to cook the fish the rest of the way through.

>>1054265
Aren't stripers a coastal fish?

>>1054251
>trolling this badly
I get it, you're a jealous poorfag who can't afford $5 for a couple cans of worms.
It'll get better, anon. I promise.

>>1054269
There's some in lakes too. They can live in either salt or fresh, but they get bigger in the salt iirc.

>>1054272
Huh, we have hybrids in a couple lakes and resevoirs. Mostly in rivers though.

Lucky me one of those lakes is nearby. I've just never caught shit out of it.