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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hillary-clinton-emails-contained-info-above-top-secret-ig-n499886

>Emails from Hillary Clinton's home server contained information classified at levels higher than previously known, including a level meant to protect some of the most sensitive U.S. intelligence, according to a document obtained by NBC News.

>In a letter to lawmakers, the intelligence community's internal watchdog says some of Clinton's emails contained information classified Top Secret/Special Access Program, a secrecy designation that includes some of the most closely held U.S. intelligence matters.

>Two American intelligence officials tell NBC News these are not the same two emails from Clinton's server that have long been reported as containing information deemed Top Secret.

>The letter doesn't make clear whether Clinton sent or received the emails in question, but in the past, emails containing classified information have tended to have been sent to Clinton, not written by her.

>The new revelation underscores the extent to which the email classification issue could continue to dog Clinton, as State Department and intelligence officials review sensitive information within messages that were blacked out before being released to the public.

>Clinton, who tops national primary polling as a Democratic presidential candidate, has repeatedly said that none of the information she sent or received while secretary of state was marked classified, and nothing has emerged to contradict that. But it's become clear that classified information bled into the emails, which were sent over unencrypted channels open to interception by foreign intelligence agencies.

>Charles McCulllough, the intelligence community's inspector general, said in a letter to the chairmen of the Senate intelligence and foreign affairs committees that he has received sworn declarations from an intelligence agency he declined to name.
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>>18095
>The declarations cover "several dozen emails containing classified information determined by the IC element to be at the CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET and TOP SECRET/SAP information."

>An intelligence official familiar with the matter told NBC News that the special access program in question was so sensitive that McCullough and some of his aides had to receive clearance to be read in on it before viewing the sworn declaration about the Clinton emails.

>Clinton's campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

>While she was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013, Clinton conducted government business over private email. The arrangement was particularly unusual because the email system relied not on Yahoo or Google but her own server, which she kept in her home in Westchester County, N.Y.

>The State Department is under court order to release Clinton's government-related emails under the Freedom of Information Act. Clinton has turned over about 55,000 emails, and almost all have been released, though they have been heavily censored. The last batch is due to be made public Jan. 29.

>While Republicans have criticized Clinton over the issue, her defenders have pointed out that the State Department has long faced the problem of how to communicate about sensitive matters. Unlike the CIA, State does most of its business over an unclassified email system, and many officials do not have easy access to a classified messaging system.

>State Department spokesman John Kirby said that the State Department is "focused on and committed to releasing former Secretary Clinton's emails in a manner that protects sensitive information. No one takes this more seriously than we do. We have said repeatedly that we anticipate more upgrades throughout our release process. Our FOIA review process is still ongoing. Once that process is complete, if it is determined that information should be classified as Top Secret we will do so."

tl;dr Hillary is boned.
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>>18095
yawn

much ado about nothing, of course this is the version of the story that Drudge links to that doesn't tell the full story.

But when you look up what really happened, you find out that the emails were not top secret when they were on her server and were only classified after the information left the state department, separately by either the military or by the CIA.

>"This is the same interagency dispute that has been playing out for months, and it does not change the fact that these emails were not classified at the time they were sent or received," he said. "It is alarming that the intelligence community [inspector general], working with Republicans in Congress, continues to selectively leak materials in order to resurface the same allegations and try to hurt Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. The Justice Department's inquiry should be allowed to proceed without any further interference."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-had-emails-on-server-more-classified-than-top-secret/
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>>18108
Classified information doesn't have to be labeled as classified to be classified, it either is or it isn't based on the nature of the intelligence, and only the agency that the information in question can declassify said information. Treating it in any other manner would lead to wide scale leaks that completely annihilate our information network in every way.

Additionally, SAP information is the kind of thing that gets people real life killed if it leaks, as it's the absolute most sensitive information we have and could pertain to any number of crucial operations, sources, or operatives, who's lives and success are in the balance if anyone should get their hands on the information.

Also, you're quoting Hillary's campaign press secretary, so nice totally biased quote there sport.
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>>18112
None of what you said takes away from the fact that the information wasn't classified when Hillary had the information.

I think it's really a shame that both the left wing AND right wing press are using this distraction story about her stupid email habits to obscure her actual record as Secretary of State, because most of her "accomplishments" have to do with setting up the TPP, signing other trade agreements that sell out the American middle class (See what she did at the ASEAN summit in '11) global warming treaties that never got signed by congress, and then all the BradAss87 Manning leaks. Republicans AND Democrats AND the Corporate Press don't want these things to be legitimate campaign issues.
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>>18124
>None of what you said takes away from the fact that the information wasn't classified when Hillary had the information

regardless of if the information is classified retroactively, the laws on the books dont care, you still get punished

pretty weak defense to claim all of the emails are retroactively classified etc
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>>18124
It's literally classified the second it's created, and it's the job of government employees to know what's secret or not, and to treat it as so.

Also, she destroyed government property by deleting all the emails, and then lied about it under oath, so no only is she guilty of violating the espionage act, but also perjury and the destruction of federal property. Also also I hear she's being investigated for public corruption now for selling her influence to foreign countries for Clinton Foundation "donations".

She's gonna go down really hard, and if she doesn't then the FBI will just leak all her information.
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>>18127
>It's literally classified the second it's created
No, it's literally classified the second it hits the chain of intelligence and not one second before. If you read the CBSnews story (which Drudge conveniently didn't link to) it explains all this.

It wasn't classified until after The State Department (meaning Hillary) had the intelligence. There isn't any smoking gun and they can keep coming up with classified memos after the fact all day, but that doesn't mean any of them were classified when she had them originally.

That doesn't mean it won't give the clickbait merchants clickthroughs and pageviews for their hitpieces and the GOP won't profit from the resulting dip in her poll numbers.


It's going to keep on being the same wild goose chase, but she's not going to jail.
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>>18132
>Dozens of emails with SAP-tier information on a private email server with 0 security that any foreign government or domestic hostiles getting their hands on means Americans will die that Hillary lied about under oath after attempting to destroy the evidence
>Not a smoking gun

Good joke.

Also, SAP information can be about projects dating back years, and failure to recognize the most critical tier of secret information falls under gross negligence, and is also a violation of the espionage act because you being a fucking moron is not an excuse for getting agents or citizens killed and wasting millions, if not billions, of taxpayer dollars by leaking national security secrets to anyone that cares to look.

This is literally the smokingest gun that will ever exist.
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>>18134

Still won't get arrested though, unfortunately.
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>>18140
No, you could have said that before, but dozens of SAP information on that server means this is now super duper serious, because this literally literally means that Hillary endangered our national security beyond a shadow of a doubt.

At this point if she isn't indicted then it will be for purely political reasons, and if she isn't no doubt the entire military and intelligence community will act on their own, should the DoJ abdicate their duty.

This is a really big deal.
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>>18204
>At this point if she isn't indicted then it will be for purely political reasons
She isn't even under investigation. Grasp at straws harder.
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>>18212
The FBI has 150 agents investigating her right now.

Why do you think all her emails are coming out? Because they're investigating them, in addition to the Clinton foundation dealings during her tenure as secretary of state.
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>>18228
>The FBI has 150 agents investigating her right now.
No they don't. The only source and only person who ever said that in any news story is a disgraced DoJ lawyer named Joe DiGenova who has had a grudge against Clinton for the last 25 years.

However, 'Unnamed sources' in one Fox News story say she *might* be charged some point in the future.
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>>18231
>Thousands of classified emails potentially fell into enemy hands
>"Durr there's no investigation, everything's fine"

Wew lad, if they're not investigating Clinton over this then they're flat out not doing their jobs.
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>>18260
As much as you'd like this to be an actual scandal, she didn't do anything wrong for them to investigate in the first place.

inb4 the usual made up copypasta list of allegations nobody can't prove
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>>18261
>she didn't do anything wrong for them to investigate in the first place

Lied under oath, destroyed government property, and violated the espionage act by allowing unsecured communications containing the most top secret information possible to be exposed to any 14 year old hacker who could get into it, oh and public corruption for the Clinton foundation dealings.

But I guess nobody ever does anything wrong if they're a Democrat.
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>>18274
>Lied under oath
Nope. She wasn't lying. You just don't like her answers.
>destroyed government property
Nope. Already debunked in August.
>violated the espionage act
Nope. Maybe if she was a spy for the Russians or something, but simply wishing for it doesn't make it so.
>public corruption for the Clinton foundation dealings.
Nope. Nobody had a problem with The Clinton Foundation when Bill appeared in those commercials with Papa Bush when they coordinated the worldwide relief effort for the Haiti earthquake. How conveniently timed that these charges of impropriety come up now.

None of what you are alleging is she even under investigation for. It's good to have a thriving imagination but it's going to be awfully hard for you when nothing happens from any of this because she didn't do anything wrong in the first place.

Again, there is so much else to legitimately criticize her and her record about, but people are so stuck on this stupid partisan distraction story so nobody bothers to look into her other failures as SoS.
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>>18280
>debunked

Deleting of the emails which is government property, and denying they even existed, is, in fact, the destruction of government property. Oh, and lying about it to congress it a big no-no as well.

Go shill somewhere else.
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>>18281
>Deleting of the emails which is government property
More conservative media spin. Nothing was ever deleted because it was backed up by at least 2 state department servers, which everybody already knew. If they were truly deleted you wouldn't even know about them and nobody would be reading them today.

I'm not shilling, I'm just letting you know how far away from reality you are when you start going off about how she's going to be charged with this or that and she isn't even the specific target of any investigation right now.
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>>18283
>shilling this hard
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>>18283
>this server that got deleted didn't get deleted because some of the emails went to people with gov mail
>I literally have no idea how data recover works

Wew lad
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>>18315
I'm sorry that reality disagrees with your confirmation bias.

>>18322
When she created the server it wasn't against any standing policy at the time. The 'Obama email directive' happened 2 years into her time as SoS and she was grandfathered in as exempt. Don't get mad at me for it, get mad at Obama.
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>>18326
Having a private email isn't against the law, destroying the evidence is since everything on that server belongs to the government, and sending classified information over it, since it's as secure as a basket of candy on a front porch on halloween, is also illegal, because that's gross negligence of the handling of classified government information, which is a violation of the espionage act.

You have to be a 65 IQ niggo to not get this.
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>>18327
>destroying the evidence is since everything on that server belongs to the government,
The evidence was never destroyed. The emails were at the state department, who is slowly releasing them as we speak.
>and sending classified information over it
It wasn't classified then. It didn't get classified until after it left the State Department.
> is also illegal, because that's gross negligence of the handling of classified government information, which is a violation of the espionage act.
Gross negligence and violating the espionage act are 2 different crimes, and she is under investigation for neither.
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>>18336
"The evidence was never destroyed. The emails were at the state department, who is slowly releasing them as we speak."

Hillary Clinton gave a press statement where she said she destroyed over 35,000 of the e-mails.

Stay on Uranus with the obvious odious shit you are spouting.
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>>18336
>The emails were at the state department
They were in NY on her server that she never told the government about.
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>>18343
>Hillary Clinton gave a press statement where she said she destroyed over 35,000 of the e-mails.
They were "destroyed" on her server only after they were copied to the state department.

>>18345
>They were in NY on her server that she never told the government about.
She didn't have to tell the government about it because the rule that says she had to tell the government about it wasn't invented until she was already in office for a year.

Not only were the emails backed up at the state department but they also exist in the email boxes of whomever she was talking to.
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>>18346
"They were "destroyed" on her server only after they were copied to the state department."

She made the statement on national TV the day she said she turned them over to the state department. She said she turned over everything except the 35,000 she destroyed.

Where do these obvious shit spouting retards come from?
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>>18349
>She made the statement on national TV the day she said she turned them over to the state department. She said she turned over everything except the 35,000 she destroyed.
These were emails from her server. What's so hard to understand about the State Department also having copies?

Where is it that you think the emails that keep slowly coming out in the press are coming from exactly?
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>>18350
"What's so hard to understand about the State Department also having copies?"

You are obviously retarded.

"These were emails from her server."

They were on her server instead of the Government server. If the were all on the government server also, as you state, then there is no reason for her to turn over her personal copies.
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>>18350
"Where is it that you think the emails that keep slowly coming out in the press are coming from exactly?"

The FBI has recovered some of the 35,000 destroyed emails. Recovered from servers the e-mails were sent to outside of those who used her personal server, recovered from hard drives and back up the Clinton people missed or just erased but not physically destroyed.

Really, get real spam-bot head. All this information is easy to find on the net from reliable sources like CNN.
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>>18349
>Where do these obvious shit spouting retards come from?
Paid for by the Clinton foundation.
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>>18353
>Recovered from servers the e-mails were sent to outside of those who used her personal server, recovered from hard drives and back up the Clinton people missed or just erased but not physically destroyed.
Protip: It was the State Department just like I said it was.
>The FBI has recovered some of the 35,000 destroyed emails
The FBI isn't the ones releasing the emails, dumbass. All this information is easy to find on the net from reliable sources like CNN.
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>>18363
Can't even keep track of your own lies I see?
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>>18365
I can't even imagine what you're talking about now.

Prove me wrong, faggot.

Hard mode: don't use clickbait that relies on unnamed sources.

Nightmare mode: don't use discredited former DoJ officials
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>>18261
She stored "special access" information on her private server connected to a public network. Special access, meaning things above top secret, such as nuclear launch codes. It is gross misconduct. I would lose my clearance and be fired for storing/distributing even "secret" level info in such a manner. In her spam was a fake traffic ticket, had she opened the email (which they have not said if she did), the russian source of the email would have had full access to her server. So some random russian spammer could have gotten hold of special access information with one click. It is beyond belief.

I get it, you love Hillary, but what she did was totally fucked up. Any normal person would have been shit canned immediately. Which is ironic considering her recent comments "nobody should be too big to jail".
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>>18280
In addition to the Russian spammer who may have had full access to the special access info, her entire fucking IT team was able to access it at any time. So some fat ass from Geek Squad with a couple clicks was able to learn submarine positions, launch codes, etc, whatever the special access material she had on there was. Whatever it was was so sensitive that even the inspector general of the US intelligence community wasn't cleared to view it.
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As someone who is fully cleared and has been read in on several SAPs, let me explain a bit:

SAP is not a classification. It is a limitation on distribution. Something can not be simply classified as SAP, it would secret or top secret + the SAP. There are some SAPs that are secret and some that are top secret. A person must be cleared at that level first in order to be briefed into a SAP. Only people cleared at that level AND briefed can see SAP material. This is opposed to regular secret or top secret material, which anyone with the right level can see.

What was in her email was probably information that was top secret + a part of a special SAP.

Now... Facts are what the government classifies based on what level of potential damage disclosing them to our adversaries could do to the country. Every program that involves classified information or work needs to create a Classification Guide. These documents list out the various relevant facts and what level of classification they are. If a fact is secret, any document it is put in must be labeled secret. Any place it is spoken about must be secured for secret conversations. Any email it is put in must be sent on a secret network. If a fact is SAP, then all of that applies, except the mediums must ALSO be secured for secret + SAP. SAP material cannot be sent over a vanilla secret network (also called "collateral secret").

Because facts are what is classified, stamping a document secret does not actually make it classified, nor does NOT stamping one make it unclassified. To label a document inconsistently with the classification of the facts within is just mis-classifying it, which happens often. Usually people overclassify because they're lazy and are already on a secure network, but sometimes people underclassify by mistake or they forget to check the Classification Guide.

Cont...
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>>18443

Underclassifying something on a secure network is easily fixed by correcting the label. Underclassifying something on an unsecure network is an issue, and it's typically called a "spill". They're not fun, because once they are caught after-the-fact, the servers' hard drives have to be sanitized, computers have to be reformatted, some parts need to be destroyed... it's no fun. Usually people who cause spills do not get in legal trouble though, because it typically is a genuine mistake. People rarely try to purposefully leak classified information. They might get a permanent mark on their employment or security record, which would lead to an issue if they cause many spills, but that's it.

Regarding Hillary's email: everything I have heard so far is just that some emails on the server contained facts that were classified. That means whoever sent those emails wittingly or unwittingly caused a spill. It also means people who received them should have noticed that and reported it properly. That is all...

In order for Hillary to go to jail, the FBI would have to prove that she was sending emails on an unsecure server with classified facts that she KNEW were classified and not properly labeling them. Just providing evidence that she was briefed on the facts of those programs probably won't be enough. Classification Guides can run into 100s of pages and she was probably very quickly briefed into several in one meeting. She would have a strong defense that the DoS security personnel did not adequately brief her.

If she received classified emails, the FBI would have to prove that she knew the facts were classified and willfully did nothing to clean them up... Also very difficult to do.

FYI: all of this info is unclassified and in publicly available executive orders and policy documents.
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>>18400
>She stored "special access" information on her private server connected to a public network.

I've repeatedly tried to explain how it wasn't classified until long after it passed through Hillary's email and The State Department in general, but you apparently want there to be a smoking gun so badly where none actually exists that you overlook that fact.

>>18402
Bradley Manning =/= russian
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>>18445 it wasn't classified until long after it passed through Hillary's email and The State Department in general

No. The facts in the email were classified. They were classified when whatever program they're associated with was initiated and its Classification Guide was written. Then, someone wrote them into an email and sent it on an unsecure network. Thus, those classified facts were spilled.

It was long after, during the IG review of the server and emails, that it was determined that those emails were underclassified due to those facts. Still, it would be tough to prove that whoever sent the email did it on purpose, or that whoever received it knew it should have been classified and didn't report it.
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>>18448
>No. The facts in the email were classified. They were classified when whatever program they're associated with was initiated and its Classification Guide was written.

The last time this same IG made the claim he had to backtrack, just as he will have to do this time, because he's got nothing and he knows it.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-email-no-highly-classified-215599

>Intelligence Community Inspector General I. Charles McCullough III made the claim that two of the emails contained top-secret information; the State Department publicly stated its disagreement and asked Director of National Intelligence James Clapper’s office to referee the dispute. Now, that disagreement has been resolved in State’s favor, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

If the GOP members of the Benghazi committee actually cared about Benghazi then they wouldn't be wasting years and millions of dollars on this punitive expedition to lower Hillary's poll numbers by at least 10 points. How it isn't obvious to you that this whole fake scandal is nothing more than throwing things at walls to see which ones stick is beyond me.
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>>18445
>I've repeatedly tried to explain how it wasn't classified until long after it passed through Hillary's email
That isn't how it works you fucking shill.

Classified information is fucking CLASSIFIED up until someone declassifies it, because otherwise once the people it belongs to get it have to go, "Oops, this is classified, everyone go back in time and don't let everyone you know see this.", because that's fucking retarded and means that we have 0 ability to secure any information ever for any reason.

Your actual job that you swear an oath to, is to understand what is and is not classified, and to handle it that way until someone tells you otherwise.

Under your retard logic every single secret mission and operative we have under our authority would be leaked left and right until the entire country was a flaming heap of rubble. Or under normal functioning human logic people just pretend like shit is secret until you know for a fact that it isn't, otherwise our entire country is fucked.

>>18444
>If she received classified emails, the FBI would have to prove that she knew the facts were classified and willfully did nothing to clean them up... Also very difficult to do.

That's not at all true. If she had classified information being sent into a server that she knew was not secure then that alone is gross negligence of handling of secret information, which would land her in jail for 2 years.

The espionage act is pretty clear about this.
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>>18452
>If the GOP members of the Benghazi committee actually cared about Benghazi then they wouldn't be wasting years and millions of dollars
They had to waste years and millions of dollars because the state department stonewalled their investigation for years, hence why we're still fucking dealing with it.

>Durr Americans dying and then the head of state lying about the cause to the public is totally fine because le meanie Republcants didn't do it
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>>18095
Vladimir Putin: Do not worry. We have several years of know about this "secret" information...
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>>18478
>The espionage act is pretty clear about this.
Nobody with any credibility is saying she violated the Espionage Act, least of all any current employees of the DoJ or the FBI.......
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>>18095
I would love for something to come of this, but I know nothing will. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, but she'll walk w/o even a single charge being put against her.
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>>18503
All you need is 2 eyes and brain to know she violated it.
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>tfw the Fox News polls are the only ones that show Trump beating Clinton in a head-to-head matchup

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
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>>18557
General election polls are basically made up prior to the nominations.
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fucking hog
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Damn who's this person trying to defend Hillary so much? She is dead to rights when it comes to this case, and she pissed off the FBI so much they opened an investigation into the Clinton Foundation. They know it's opening a political can of worms since I'm assuming it implicates a lot of higher up people, but she must have really grinded their gears with her complete mishandling of classified information.

To be honest I don't think Obama will have any realistic choice but to indict Hillary, or more realistically blackmail intelligence agents so they do not recommend prosecution or leak vital documents.

I'm thinking Hillary will implicate a lot of higher ups in Obama's circle (maybe even Obama himself) if she goes down, so I figure he's going to do everything possible to avoid prosecuting her AND making sure the FBI doesn't exact revenge. How far he can get with this plan though, I'm uncertain. I think it's too big for him to reign in honestly.
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>>20023
>he thinks the FBI is actually investigating Clinton
Okay kid sure, have fun believing everything you read on drudgereport like it actually happened.
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>>20030
Of course they're investigating her, she put them in a serious amount of danger by being an entitled cunt. She fucked them over so now they fuck her. You can't just ignore safety protocol regarding an entire federal branch and expect it to just go away
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>beyond top secret
aint that some spooky ass shit.
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>>20067
You're responding to a real life shill
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Fucking shillaries
goddamn it
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>>20328
>>20329
>>>/pol/
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>>20338
How many shekels do you want?
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