/gg/ - Guitar and Bass General

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first for let's all get mad at other people's opinions

>>62048905
>nazi cross

how come I can move certain chords for one or two frets and they still make a legit sound? It's called sliding I know that, but why does it work? You've literally changed every note in a chord and it still works. (wanting to play blues, sliding was introduced to me there)

Can you guys recommend me a band like Chon who plays slower and more jazzier/bluesy stuff?

Or just recommend a drum bass guitar jazz trio please.

>>62049020
https://youtu.be/rZr5k1_9Dds

How far would you drive for the guitar/ bass you've been searched for, and the price is right. Hour? 2 hour? I found my next bass.... out of state... ~3 hours away.

>>62049020
Well, it makes a whole other chord. Like a standard F major chord is the exact same shape as your standard E major chord, and if you move the barre up to the 3rd fret you get a G major

Anybody have any experience with the hofner violin guitars. I'm kind of attracted to this one.

https://reverb.com/item/1607400-hofner-ignition-series-violin-guitar-2016-sunbrust

>>62049074
If it was the perfect instrument for me 3 hours would be fine

>>62049020
assuming you're talking about open chords, it's simply because there are so many different chords and ways to make those chords. As long as the notes all fit on the same scale, you've got a chord in there. Generally the added rule is to not have 2 notes s half step apart, though you cab break that rule too.

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>>62048948
Yeah original Hyperion run. I really love them, might grab another one someday to have a backup.

I've only DIY'd a Fuzz Factory as well, which was pretty easy, but that was at least....7 years ago and I had help at the time from a friends dad who liked electronics as well. He basically taught me how to solder while I was doing that.

>>62048905
>Nazi cross
Also I dunno, I guess it's low quality but at that price most basses arent going to be perfect. His has stayed stable for 7 years minus one setup he got about 3 years ago for some fret buzzing.

>>62048927
Understandable, just a suggestion. I played it a couple times and it was fairly comfortable

>>62049074
THE instrument I was searching for? I was willing to take a 6 hour roadtrip to dallas for an MBC-1 i found on Craigslist till I got a better deal online.

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>>62049074

If it's a good buy go for it. I can't tell you how often I regret missing out on a great pedal or whatnot because I told myself it was too far away.

I could've had a $30 Boss 80s Flanger...

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>>62048961
>implying it isn't an ersatz swastika
It's like the "black sun" m8, shitlords use them because they can't use the real one

>>62049074

lol at you thinking three hours is the kind of drive that requires intense deliberation.

hit the road already, faggot

>>62049162
[Citation Needed]

>>62049136
>Fuzz Factory

Si or Ge?

>>62049046
Why don't you listen to real jazz instead of that faux-jazz djent shit.

Pat Metheny Trio for example


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4dtZ7VuxF4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRKUn6KnQ60

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anyone here like horns?

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>>62049074
Well I almost took a 2 day trip to Amsterdam before I found something 4 hours away when I got my ric

>>62049248
those are gross

>>62049046
stop equating jazz and blues. Jazz may be nebulous and ill-defined but blues is not.

>>62049233

Are they a trio? I'm looking for stripped down drums, bass, guitars only. Like The Aristocrats but jazzier/bluesy and less shredding.

>>62049210
http://antifascistnetwork.org/2014/04/21/capture-the-flag-part-3/

>>62049081
too expensive, get a rogue

>>62049225
Ge if I remember correctly. Was always a fan of the Ge tones over Si at some points, but the hyperion won me over for Si

>>62049074
Not far at all, we live in an age where you can have anything from any part of the world shipped to you in just days. ..

>>62049298
So in other words, its a variation of the Celtic Cross, which is Celtic, not Nazi?

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>>62049248
Only on an SG.

>>62049339
that's a pretty bad color for an SG right there

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>>62046818
i cant show you my memes
>>62046859
If he tells me what wood to use, I couldn't care to be honest mate.
>>62046866
yeah, theyre really solid guitars, I was wondering if the agile guitars were made in the same factory, if so then i can understand the appeal and will start gassing for a funky coloured one to do up right now.
>>62047193
wasnt an iceman, was a edgy kelly bro
>>62047312
NO
I need my levi roots signature to be completed

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>>62048914
Based Ian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=claJreFtwZQ
>>62049162
>>62049298
Reading is the cure for antifascism

>>62049296
Yes, most Jazz Trios involving guitar are Guitar/Bass/Drums. Guitar/Organ(taking over Bass duties) and Drums is also common.

Here's some other sick albums to check out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTGiT6-Oahc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiZ6YuIrj54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRNf-QcVVYU (Jaco plays on this one)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOSpO7qfzpc

>>62049375
Looks like one of the standard finishes they come in.

>>62049335
>le swastika is buddhist maymay
fuck off closet nazi
>>62049439
>Reeding is the cure for fascism
fixed that for u

>>62049439
Is this a Rick James cover? I can't listen on my phone...

>>62049498
>>le swastika is buddhist maymay
>fuck off closet nazi
I think I'm being trolled because I didn't mention buddhism nor am I a nazi.

The fuck is going on why are we getting so many shitposts lately? is it the autist who rages at ERGs or something who moved on to something else?

>>62049498
Yeah, you seem to reed a lot. I'm pretty sure you can barely READ at all though.

Sometimes I wonder how it feels to be a antifa mouthbreather. Nature is amazing.

>>62049581
typical nazi shithead that can't into ironic misspelling

>>62049551
>I think I'm being trolled because I didn't mention buddhism nor am I a nazi.
u pretended a nazi symbol isn't nazi, it's the same thing as with people claiming swastikas are a "innofensive bhuddist symbol"

Do you guys do this on purpose?

>>62049718
No, they're just retarded

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>>62049654
>ironic misspelling
>innofensive
>bhuddist
>i was just pretending to be retarded guise i swear
You antifas are hilarious, kek. I would pity you if I didn't despise you.

>>62049532
Mac Davis cover, performed by the one and only based Ian Stuart Donaldson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxA7EujU0co

>>62049718
Nope, antifas are mentally handicapped, they do it unintentionally.

>>62049729
What's that? Look interesting.

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Ibanez updated their website and catalog. Look at this beauty for $400

>>62049729
I like it. Cool bridge too.

>>62049807
>Look
meant to say looks, sorry lads.
BTW, I see two big disadvantages to >>62049729:
1) You can't play it without a strap or a girl holding it for you.
2) Must be neck-heavy af-

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>>62049807
Some weird 60s guitar, only known about because the guitarist in Devo played one. Eastwood makes a copy.

>>62049918
Yeah you can, guy from Devo does it

>>62049921
>>62049958
Interesting. I wonder if it would work for black metal. My NSBM band could use some meme instruments to gain exposure.

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Friendly reminder that ERBs/ERGs are the height of faggotry and that their only purpose is to overcompensate for the player's lack of actual skill, lack of groove, small dick or any combination of the former items.

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>>62050245
tenor guitars require actually skill

>>62049467

I'm not the guy you were talking to but I'm really appreciative of the recommendations. That's some solid music.

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>>62050335
>high E snaps
>better remove the low E so my neck doesn't twist
>out of strings, too lazy to go to store
>start playing
>holy shit this is fun

I want to buy a white pickguard and have my girlfriend put some art on it. What sort of paint/markers will work for this? Obviously, I don't want it to wear away from scratches and such
Will some acrylic paint with some clear coat on top work?
Relevant experiences, suggestions, ideas?

>>62049248
Why is there a dildo on top of your bass mane?

What's the best budget P-90 based guitar?

>>62049046
BADBADNOTGOOD

The Mars Volta

Tera Melos

Suffer Like G Did

Giraffes? Giraffes!

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>beauty

>>62049066
fuckin underrated

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>>62050623
liquid.

>>62050542
>better remove the low E so my neck doesn't twist
wrong

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>>62050623
g&l has a few:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/gl-tribute-asat-deluxe-carved-top-p90-electric-guitar

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/gl-tribute-fallout-electric-

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/gl-tribute-asat-junior-ii-electric-guitar

>>62050245
What about 7 string guitars? What about 5 string basses?

I agree though. There was a this lil faggot at my highschool with a 6 string bass

>>62051310
Explain.

>>62050245
Friendly reminder that your still an autistic goof

Whats /gg/'s opinion on Rocksmith?

>>62049398
>wasnt an iceman, was a edgy kelly bro
more like edgeless kelly

>>62049871
they've been producing these "beauties" for decades. There's nothing new

>>62051664
it can be fun, but I don't feel like it detects notes accurately, you can play sloppy and it won't fail you/correct you.

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>>62051762
well that was the concept behind it, remove all the edge so much you get into negative egde and start loving everything.
currently on its 4th layer of oil finish, its starting to shine, then once im done its down to paint the reveal wood strip white because i was too scared to try binding it

>>62051664
It's fun. Same thoughts as other anon though. Especially on downturn ings on bass. Shit is a pain.

>>62048914
Ian Stuart... More nazi coward bullshit from, OP. (Now watch all the collaborators get butt hurt because I pointed it out.)

Stratocaster or telecaster?
I play
>jazz, r&b, soul
>post-rock, hip-hop

>>62052725
hss strat

>>62050245
Seriously. God I'm sick of kids who think that they're "le epic melodic soloist". Whats even worse are the kids who get fretless basses because they see Beyond Creation on reddit /r/bass and think they're that dude

Heres some advice for if you're ever looking for a bassist: stay far away from six string players. They'll either stick to roots or play sloppy "melodies" that sound like shit and don't fit in the song at all

>>62051977
well I actually thought you're never going to finish it because you messed up the body or something and just post photos of that fucked up axe here, haha.

>>62053434
Why?

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>>62053854
>has a razerblade on thre fretboard
okay im all for each to their own but thats fucking gay. Really REALLY fucking gay.

>>62053906
Dimebag didn't seem to care too much

>>62052831
This. ERB players can play their wank shit but when I ask them to walk over some chords they get confused. Fucking faggots are the worst to play with.

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>>62053970
its a literal razor blade...
"hey you kids with daddy issues who resort to slicing your wrists up so others give you attention, buy this"

>>62054032
It's a literal guitar that Dimebag had designed, that's why I said that.

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>>62054051
the fuck was he smoking

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>>62052725
strat. Though if you prefer the look of a tele get a 3 pickup tele.

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>>62054082
military paintjobs kinda make me hard.

also who knows man, he was a great guy and a pretty good player, nigga just liked the guitar

edgy as fuck tho, don't get me wrong.

>>62054082
Bourbon whiskey

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post guitars that come with stickers

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I want to get into playing an ambient style on bass
what pedals and gear are the essentials to start?
pic unrelated

>>62053813
Why not?

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>>62049248
God warwicks sound so good but they are typically so fucking ugly.

Speaking of which what is a good dealer online to get them used or new preferably used since I'm a poorfag.

>>62049467

Wow anon that Moon River thing is great.

Which makes me wonder.. Are there no younger jazz bands? What are young people doing nowadays.

>>62054166
I bet that plays as pretty as it would make me feel to have

>>62051664
Fun and let's you learn rhythm. Doesn't really explain shit to you though. But it's all in good fun which is what a lot of people play for.

>>62054601
not having years of experience required to be a commercially successful jazz band. It's one thing to play jazz but not many people listen to it, competition is tough.

>>62054601
>Edgy teens play metalcore.
>Chads play 3-chord songs and otherwise just carry the case around for no reason.
>Hipsters cover Arctic Monkeys or The Black Keys.
>Jazz band kids give up music for an intensive college education. The rest turn out poor and shitpost on /mu/.
>Band kids: See above.

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Just got this baby two days ago. Schecter Blackjack Atx. God I love Schecter, the necks on all their mid range and higher end geetars are smooth as can be. I have a Damien bass that I've used in gigs for 3 years.

>>62054601
I live in Chicago and there are a few bands like Bassel and the Supernaturals or Hip Trip that are made up of guys I went to university with that were music majors; they seem to like what they do and play some fun, interesting music. (Gramps the Vamp is another band to check out. In fact, most of these bands have members that play in each others' groups and have been playing together for years.)

Otherwise, I can't recommend BADBADNOTGOOD highly enough. They're a young (I think all around 25 years old now) jazz/fusion trio from Toronto that take a lot of cues from hip hop. They recently did a collaboration with Ghostface Killah called "Sour Soul" and the instrumentals on it are great.

I've also really been digging on Kamasi Washington's debut album, which features a lot of young (20/30-something) jazz musicians.

I think the reason you don't see a ton of prominent jazz musicians that are celebrated the ways guys like Davis, Parker, Coltrane, and Jaco were back in the day is because the focus in contemporary jazz is shifting from soloing to composition. Washington and BBNG's works are particularly indicative of this shift.

Beginner here. Looking into buying a bass. I've literally never picked up an instrument, but when my friend let me borrow his for a bit I got into it. Had to return it later. My dad has a fretless bass. Is it worth it to go out and buy a bass, or should I try to learn with the fret less?

>>62054964
I don't see any harm with learning on the fretless. You may struggle more in the beginning without frets to define the fretboard for you but learning correct intonation while relying on position playing will really develop your ear well. Nothing worse than when a guy thinks he can just jump from a fretted to a fretless bass and every other note is a semitone off.

The bass player in my band (we play prog rock) uses a fretless exclusively and his intonation is effortless. I say go for it.

>>62054907
7/10 guitar
5/10 drums
-2/10 banner

Not bad.

>>62055026
Are there any tips or hints for learning with a fret less? I feel like its jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. Like I said first musical instrument ever.

>>62055142
The bonus is it will force you to actually learn music instead of just reading fret numbers from a bass tab website like a faggot

Stuff like this always makes me want to get a fretless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qGTeMBNuGM

>>62055107
Yeah, that's a decent drum set for the price. All cymbals are Sabian other than the China, which is a Zildijan. Other side of the room has a Marshall, peavy and fender bass amp with an iMac for recording. Fun little in home set up

>>62055142
I don't know if I can be much help desu. I'm only incidentally a bass player, as in I only play if there's one at band practice or a jam session since I don't have one of my own.

But if it makes you feel any better I think most musicians feel like they are "jumping without a parachute" when they start. I picked up guitar because I wanted to play Green Day songs in a band and their music might as well have been astrophysics for all I knew about playing guitar when I started. Now I can improvise over jazz changes and play Guthrie Govan licks. Don't let the learning process intimidate you. Just practice as often as you can, and look up whatever you don't understand online. There's WAY more information about fretless bass technique alone, from beginner to advanced levels, on YouTube than you could probably ever want to know.

Squire affinity for about £50 a good buy for a first guitar?

Other than this I've been looking at Yamaha pacificas which are at about £70.

>>62055242
Sabians aren't bad at all. Is the Marshall a tube amp or modelling?

>>62055232
>>62055280
Alright I'm sold. Probably saved me some money. I was literally one pay check away from buying one

>>62055142
Since you have a good bass to play already. Try picking up a shitty bass from a pawn shop and use it to learn songs on/get basic muscle memory of where the frets are or learn a few notes at a time on it and switch to the fret less and match the sounds? Maybe?

Hell I dunno I'm a beginner too. But that's how I would approach it.

>>62053906
>thats fucking gay. Really REALLY fucking gay.
Seriously? are you kidding me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9raw6qc6hs

>>62055287
I'd go with the Pacifica. The Affinity series are truly garbage. That being said, if you're willing to invest a bit more into a Classic Vibe or Vintage Modified model from Squier you'll have a quality instrument that you can gig and record with. I bought my Squier 51 back in 2005 and I still use it. It's not my main guitar anymore but I used to gig with it and used it to cut leads in the studio.

>>62055298
It's all valve. I'm really considering dropping $180 for the micro dark terror by orange and getting an orange 2x12 cab. I'm not sure if I could justify spending $650 on the regular dark terror.

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I currently only own two bassed. CIJ Fender Jazz (some kind of 60s reissue), and my first bass which is a cheapo ESP LTD B-50. I had a few others over the years but ended up hating them and sold them, like the Lace Helix I had for a while. Don't know what I was thinking with that one. I also had a CIJ Fender Precision, but no matter what I did, I could never get it set up properly, and it always felt shit to play. So I gave it to my brother who plays gigs with it somehow.

I also gave him my big old 400w solid state amp made by some Australian company, and a crappy 4x10. I currently only have a little David Eden and no cab whatsoever. Just playing through headphones and computer like a fag.

>>62055379
Can't help you with that. The Dark Terror amps seem a little one-note to me and I prefer something with a bit more versatility.

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Tortoise shell pickguard on this, yay or nay?

>>62055489
yea. I think the pickup ring will look particularly nice.

Is SG comfy? I am deciding between LP or V body shape

>>62055701
sg > lp > v when it comes to comfort

>>62055734
I've read that SGs arent balanced well

>>62055757
Go to your local store and play a bunch of different guitars and decide which is the best for you.

It's nigh on impossible to choose a guitar properly based solely on reviews and recommendations.

>>62055757
yes, but I sit when I play

>>62055779
I would do that anon, but with broken leg it might be hard atm. I am just asking opinions

Requesting campfire songs pls

>>62055757
you can solve this
http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/standard-guitars/215342-sg-owners-your-guitar-balanced.html

>>62049074
I flew across the country (Australia), caught a train to the neck town over from where I landed and drove 2000-2500km back to my house once when I bought a car.

>>62055701
SGs tend to be neck heavy without some tweaking.

>>62055804
C-Am-F-G

>>62049871
The typical local edgy teen band guitar.

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>>62049264
>Jazz may be nebulous and ill-defined but blues is not.

Yes it is.

>>62053854
So fucking edgy
KYS

>>62055862
I was thinking of doing that for a car a couple of months back, but I didn't want to drive it across the Nullarbor

>>62054206
any examples?

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>>62054133
Yes they fucking do

>>62055963
The one on the left looks okay but the rest look a bit shit. I don't know why you'd want your guitar to look like an army jeep or whatever.

How many times, for those that have gone through pro recording; you're trying to lay down your part but keep fucking it up, and the singer or someone else keeps hounding you? I kicked a singer out of the room because he kept giving shit to his nervous as fuck guitar player. Once the singer was out of the room, the guitar player layed down his solo perfect. I guess what Im saying is, leave a motherfucker alone to do his shit. Singers arent even paying attention to whats going on while their singing. My boss gave me shit for kicking out the guy paying, but it worked out in the end for everyone.

>>62055908
From where to where? I flew to Sydney and drove back to Adelaide. NSW has nice scenery, but got dull after that. I've driven tour buses though, so 10-12 hours a day ate the miles up fast.

>>62056014
it nuthin but a g thang bby

>>62056014
>I don't know why you'd want your guitar to look like what you think looks nice or whatever

>>62050245
Any videos out there of people actually playing these things with other musicians?

All I see is people sperging out by themselves playing le ebin funky one man slappy time.

Do 1 layer black pickguards crack sooner then 3 layer pickguards?

>>62055804
You have come to the right place:

On Top of Old Smoky
Bingo
Row, Row, Row Your Boat
99 Bottles of Beer
Old MacDonald
She'll Be Coming Around a the Mountain

Have fun!

>>62056022
I haven't laid down tracks professionally, but when I record tracks on my own with someone else like a roommate in the room or something and I know I messed up I get antsy after messing up a few times. I know I shouldnt be self conscious since that shit happens all the time, and first time tracks aren't super common, but i start gettin real fuckin jittery like " oh man they'll think i fucking suck"

I dunno man.

>>62056069
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfX96_qBbIM
check out Unexpect, their bass man plays one

i actually think ian stuart made pretty good music. if he wasn't a racist Skrewdriver would have been as popular as Sex pistols.

>>62056089
Thanks a million bro
I'll be a hit with all the 8 year olds

>>62056054
In perth, car in NSW somewhere

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>>62056119
I wish I'd never fucking asked.

>>62056069
Steve Bailey has been playing six string fretless bass since forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irBtrsPjRbA

>>62056189
He's actually a great player. Give it a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBDvDBuLKEY

>>62056141
You sick bastard

>>62056197
I don't really think it's fair to lump a six string in with those ten string monstrosities though.

I'm sure we can all agree that (in the right hands) two extra strings on a bass could be very well used. I just wanted to see if there was any legitimate reason for a ten string to exist or if it was just needless faggotry.

>>62056209
Thanks but no thanks anon. I'm trying to eat breakfast here.

Used Blue Yamaha Pacific 012 for just less than £100 or a brand new White one for about £120 . Which, if any, should I grab?

Are there any bands like Skrewdriver and No Remorse?

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>>62056235

>>62056247
Depends - If they're both in a shop, get the cheaper one as it'll have some sort of warranty attached to it.

If the 2nd hand one is a private sale, I'd say the extra 20 for peace of mind (warranty etc) is probably worth it.

>>62056235
top bosh gezdosh

A really good campfire song is I hung my head, the johnny cash version. Pretty much any of Johnny Cash's later cover work will do the job tho. Whiskey in the jar is good if you can get people to participate in clapping, same for wild rover but don't start with them unless you're with Europeans or Irish Americans. Don't be bothered if people talk over you playing.

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>>62048914
Musicman Sterling SB14, Laney RB3
Dunno desu, Stingray or a jazz bass like Marcus Miller
6 years although the past 2 I have barely played. Last year I dunno, just didn't play much, and this year I got a Roland synth and I've been playing that. Still good though, just not as fast, not too rusty.
Stingray and jazz bass as I said, think it's a 75 jazz bass.
Flea, Larry Graham, Marcus Miller, Mark King.
Nah
Ayy Lmao

so, I've been playing with a basic riff and built a bunch of parts off of it, but it's hard to put them together. The riff is a bit unusual. I don't think of fits onto the chords I'm prescribing it. I like the roots being where they are but the last 2 measures confuse me. I'll try to tab it out. The roots are A G F E.
A---------7--3---------2--3--------2--3----------2--3
E--5--5---------3--3---------1--1--------0--0--------

https://clyp.it/sou0kovb

>>62054032
>>62054082
It's a reference to his Priest British Steel necklace that he always wore. It's not edge, just a Judas Priest shout out.

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Anyone else thinking about one of these?

>>62056680
Looks like Am, Gmaj +4 or whatever or just using the 4 as the fifth for the next chord, F with b5 as passing tone, E the same.

You could play this easier with open A string and second fret D string so you don't have to move position.

>>62057294
Eyup
Seem pretty nice for the price point

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>>62057076
ah, that makes sense, doesn't make it any less edgy looking though.

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Cort G100 guy here from the previous thread.

Made some shots: http://imgur.com/a/kMLgs

Measured the string height on fret12 for E, exactly 2mm. But I am getting fret buzz, is it my fault? Tried to record it, but my phone's mic sucks.

Sound (is 0:08 a fret buzz?)
https://copy.com/s1YHhYnHmBooSlZc/fretbuzz.mp3

>>62052725
SSS strat, custom shop 69 pickups.

>>62057574
Fret buzz is normal for most guitars man.

>>62057353
With the b on the f and the c on the E, how do these notes affect things? If they are simply off notes, how should they be felt with when multiple instruments are played? it seems like if the guitar is playing Fmaj and the bass plays F F B C or F F C B, the dissonance would be pretty strong. I know that's allowed, but what are some ways to mitigate it?

>>62057680
this, you can make any guitar buzz if you play hard enough. If you get buzz in only a few spots you need fret leveling, if you get buzz on a whole section of the neck you have setup issues.

>>62057574
Is the buzz above the fret pressed(sympathetic) or below? If it's above it's technique. Where does it buzz? Only one string, one fret, or all. And take a pic closer to the headstock and then the whole neck so I can see the relief.

>>62057820
Only the low E buzzes. Made a pic where I hold down a fret, I rec.d the sound that way.

It is totally possible that I am strumming too hard to be honest.

Updated the album:
http://imgur.com/a/kMLgs

>>62058174
Show us the neck from the bridge down. If there's any warp it'll be obvious.

>>62058174
Just raise the low e saddle half a turn of the screw and see if it stops.

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>>62052254
>collaborators
That would imply there's a nazi power to collaborate with. I'm no collaborator. I'm working to make national socialism real and make my country great again. "Collaborator" would apply to Lord Haw-Haw, not Skrewdriver fans or whatever.

>coward
The man had to serve a 12 month sentence for defending himself against a mob of blacks who tracked him down to lynch him after an antifa magazine, Searchlight, doxxed him. It wasn't a 4chan style doxx either, they even included where he used to drink, not just his address.

So the "coward" you're talking about is hardly Ian Stuart. More like your own kind.

>>62058385
should have been screws

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Does anyone have pic related? I'm thinking about buying one.

>>62058505
just get it if you want it

/gg/ is just going to meme at you

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r8 my bass

>>62058505
*memes you*

Anyone here like Rondo?
Got an agile coming in the mail can't wait to shred \m/

>>62058533
>good
ESP build quality is pretty great in my experience
inlay looks cool
3/2 headstock
overall feel of neck-through
nice wood pairing for the body and wings

>bad
edgy headstock
the outer trim's color clashes and the spikes look edgy and uncomfortable
knob pickup switch
potential problems of neck-through
weird dugout on the lower cutaway that doesn't look like it serves any purpose

7/10

>>62051462
Shawn?

>>62058533
Needs another 5 strings.

5/10

>>62057747
Oh I misread the E chord, it goes root, fifth, flat 6.

It's more like you're playing the same chord in the last three measures but lowering the bass note so it's like a slash chords.Gmaj, Gmaj/F, Gmaj/E or something

>>62058647
My ESP from 10 years ago has the same headstock and I've never liked it.

And the cutout will be for 'better upper register access' even though it probably doesn't affect it.

>>62050015
Having any shit you wanna share?

>>62058748
to be honest if you're playing bass up the 24th fret in metal you're probably tapping

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>>62050335
Those look pretty cool. Are they used in place of a banjo? I enjoy the occasional bluegrass so I guess I'd like them.
>>62051462
>What about 7 string guitars? What about 5 string basses?
Those are fine in my book. I used to have a bit of bias against 7 string guitars but I later realized it was pretty hypocritical given that I play a 5 string bass. That said, even though I started on a 5 which is still my bass, I've been drooling at pic related for a long time. The only reason GAS hasn't won over me is because I can't afford it right now.
>I agree though. There was a this lil faggot at my highschool with a 6 string bass
kek, I can imagine the cringe
>>62051586
Nice projection Elliot
>>62052831
>>62053998
IKR. I second your advice to stay away from them.
>>62056119
>>62056209
Wew lad, I wasn't aware something different from djent that's as bad existed.
>>62056189
kek I feel the same
>>62056197
That's actually impressive. A 6 string bassist who doesn't sound like shit or make the whole band sound like shit, and who plays a fretless with great tone instead of le jaco farting duck. I dig it.
>>62056238
>I don't really think it's fair to lump a six string in with those ten string monstrosities though.
I think we totally should :^)
>I'm sure we can all agree that (in the right hands) two extra strings on a bass could be very well used.
The lower one is useful, the higher one is pointless specially when you have a 24 fret bass.
>just needless faggotry.
I agree
>Thanks but no thanks anon. I'm trying to eat breakfast here.
KEK. Good call, it was shit indeed.

>>62058772
Sure brah
https://soundcloud.com/dunkelwhite/dunkelwhite-v-r-ur

>>62058819
damn you, I skipped straight to the end of this thread

I didn't need to know just how much cancer was going on and I certainly didn't need your lenghty shitty contribution to it

>>62050245
stuck up brainless fucking moron retard alert

>>62049257
Wish I got my 330 in walnut, holy fuck that looks sexy

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Should I get this gorgeous fucker for £499?

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>>62058967
>I didn't need to know just how much cancer was going on and I certainly didn't need your lenghty shitty contribution to it
>stop disliking the autistic meme instruments i like
>implying your post isn't the cancer
shut up bitch
>mfw reading your shitty cancerous post
>>62058993
It takes one to know one

>>62058533
Dude I love the F series
Is that one neck thru?
Put some EMGs in that bitch dude and string her up with Rotosound 66s. You'll have the meanest tone around

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>>62059249
speaking of Rotos
here's my new Stingray with fresh Rotos. Really need a new pickup/preamp combo in here though
Would Bartolini be a good option? Or would Aguilar be better?

>>62059154
>lets images convey emotion for him
dead giveaway that you're a language-impaired trash heap

>stop disliking the autistic meme instruments i like
>thinks I like ERBs
>thinks it's somehow ok for him to play 5 string
>thinks he's the exception to the cancer
your floppy ear-raping piece of wire is everything that's wrong with music

real, competent bassists understand that their job necessitates nothing more than 4 strings. anything more and you're a sloppy, compensating poser deserving of no respect whatsoever.

>le hurr i'm just like my hero les claypool plz confirm me /r/bass

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Why has /gg/ gone to shit lately? It wasn't like this when I came here three months ago, it was more comfy then.
>Rondo trolls
>/pol/tards posting pictures of fascism supporters with guitars as an attempt to keep their shitposting on-topic
>some faggot always reminding everyone that extended-range is the height of faggotry
>that one synthfag who goes here just to attack everyone because he believes synthesizers have more range than guitars
And they say shoegaze faggots and djentards are the most cancerous shitposters.

>>62059379
congratulations you've just taken a big shit over the entirety of this community

I don't remember /gg/ being empty 3 months ago. that was before the shitty imitator pseudo-musicians started tossing their insecurity around though.

>mommy they're not playing the exact same instrument and shitty uninspired basslines as me

>>62059448
>plays a 5 or 4 string bass
>lines are inherently shitty and uninspired
Don't get me wrong I think ERB bashing is dumb but m8 what is wrong with you?

>>62058404
>"I'm working to make national socialism real and make my country great again"

Yeah by posting in an anime image board you are really doing something. NS will never be big again because there aren't enough idiots in western civilization right now.

Can you please just kill yourself, everyone knows that anyone who actually unironically supports ns is a complete and utter moron. Please kill yourself.

>>62059474
they're inherently shitty and uninspired if you're a shitty and uninspired person

in the end, anything that creates an audience is fair game, and nobody can claim that they're an impartial judge as far as music goes

not adhering to this mentality suggests immaturity, terrible musicianship and just poor upbringing in general

>tfw in a tech death band, and have a grindcore band and a math rock band in the works
feels bretty gud. playing shows and recording are my favorite things ever

what kind of stuff are you guys working on?

>>62059379
hey pal fuck you

>>62059545
very well said friend. I hope more people ITT listen and take note

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>>62059358
>dead giveaway that you're a language-impaired trash heap
More like dead giveaway that we're in an anonymous taiwanese sock knitting board

>>thinks I like ERBs
you like ERBs obviously, you wouldn't get that mad because of my post if you didn't

>>thinks it's somehow ok for him to play 5 string
>>thinks he's the exception to the cancer
>implying the 5th string gets in guitar territory
>implying the 5th string harms the mix
Enjoy your alternate tunings, fag

>your floppy ear-raping piece of wire is everything that's wrong with music
>floppy 5th
manlet who can't play a 35" detected

>real, competent bassists understand that their job necessitates nothing more than 4 strings. anything more and you're a sloppy, compensating poser deserving of no respect whatsoever.
As I said above, enjoy your alternate tunings, fag. You can't even play country music without downtuning, let alone most heavy metal.

>>le hurr i'm just like my hero les claypool plz confirm me /r/bass
>implying I don't think Les Claypool is a wanker clown

I don't know why I even took time to reply to your shitty autistic bait.

>>62059595
>/r/bass
Fuck that shit hole

>>62059379
I'm almost thinking of moving to sevenstring.org because of how shitty /gg/ is these days.
I'm almost starting to like shoegaze faggots because they at least play something.

>>62059551
I'm getting the hang of cleaning up a bit my playing since now I have an actual amp that isn't dogshit. I'm probably going to record a small self produced black metal album just to get used to recording, maybe with the help of my buddies.
You got any tips for writing tech-death though ? I love the genre but I can't write anything for it.
Also post some of your stuff, I'm interested.

>>62055107
get mad
>>62059379
the worst thing is the anime posters ugh gross

>>62059511
>nazism wuz ebil they made human lampshades and shit
>>62059379
>fascism supporters with guitars
more like fascist musicians, it's not like there's a picture of il duce with a guitar

>>62059595
>More like dead giveaway that we're in an anonymous taiwanese sock knitting board
>it's ok to be assburgers because everybody else on this board is

>you like ERBs obviously, you wouldn't get that mad because of my post if you didn't
I have no strong feelings towards ERBs and own nothing bigger than a 5 string

>he thinks I was serious about the 4 string shit
>doesn't recognize his own flavor of cancer when thrown directly at him
>being this far gone

>manlet who can't play a 35" detected
literally incapable of anything but projection and ad hominem

>I don't know why I even took time to reply to your shitty autistic bait.
because your condition compels you

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>>62059379
>tfw you long for the good old days when shoegaze faggots and djentards were the height of cancer

>>62059666
>tfw you long for the good old days of gearspammer
nice trips tho

>>62059620
Wish I could post shyt but we're still working in the studio m8.
My guitarist does most of the writing, but I can just tell you that you need to keep things rhythmically complex and interesting, that's the biggest part. Other than that, the minor scale and all of its variations, along with the diatonic scale, are your friends. Also, if you're going to chug, please don't use the open low string on every chug pattern like SO MANY local bands tend to do

>>62059682
Thanks.

I haven't been around for a while. Last time I was here GS was posting like a semi normal human being, is he gone again?

>>62059687
>the minor scale and all of its variations, along with the diatonic scale, are your friends

dude I think you might need a refresher

>>62059614
>implying I visit that
>knowing subreddits
>>62059652
>using image reactions is assburgers
yeah nah
>>he thinks I was serious about the 4 string shit
>>doesn't recognize his own flavor of cancer when thrown directly at him
>>being this far gone
I assburger'd there but hey, Poe's law kek
>I have no strong feelings towards ERBs and own nothing bigger than a 5 string
Fair enough
>literally incapable of anything but projection and ad hominem
A simple insult isn't an ad hominem, I didn't use it as an argument. And I'm far from a manlet. That said, if your 5th string is floppy it's not because it's a 5th string, it's because it's not thick enough for the scale.
>because your condition compels you
well played

>>62059646
nice fucking strawman. You are either insane or an edgy little 15 year old.

"Make my country great again" please, if you think you have a shit life in a shit country just fucking kill yourself.

>>62059714
Not trying to argue with you, just curious, how so?

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>>62059732
>nice fucking strawman. You are either insane or an edgy little 15 year old.
>believing in the 6 gorillion
top kek

>>62059551
Buying more pedals and expensive guitars. I don't play much to be honest but I like showing off online.

>>62059687
>rhythmically complex
That may be where I'm doing something wrong, I'll ask my drummer friends for some more complex drum patterns.
I hate chugging though, the best breakdowns are the ones with a little bit of spicy playing, like in Flesh and the power it holds. I'm looking to write some stuff more similar to Necrophagist/Obscura anyway so I doubt I'll do breakdowns.

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>>62059630
You're on a site that has an anime girl as the mascot and is run by a Japanese man and before that an ex-weeaboo.

>>62058533
rondo

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>>62059630
WUT

>>62059727
after 7 years spent in this shithole I'm pretty certain most people dislike avatarfags

>A simple insult isn't an ad hominem, I didn't use it as an argument.
there's absolutely zero way you could possibly know my height

and I'm certain you'd refuse to believe I'm 6'5" in real life unless I provided pics

>>62059755
Don't know whats true and what is not. I know however that national-socialism is pretty fucking stupid, Because I've actually anaylzed it multiple times because I like to challenge my own believes. Something you will never fucking do because you are too ignorant. The only thing you can do is give fallacies because you are too fucking stupid to actually try to start a conversation with someone who is smarter than you. I know that genocide actually happened, I have no idea how many people got killed.

>>62059379
>Rondo trolls
Not just trolls, there are rondo shills too
>/pol/tards posting pictures of fascism supporters with guitars as an attempt to keep their shitposting on-topic
You say that as if they weren't guitarists with their own original musical style. ISD has even done some interesting covers, for example listen to this Simple Man cover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv74CI3Qqwk
>some faggot always reminding everyone that extended-range is the height of faggotry
>implying its not :^)

>that one synthfag who goes here just to attack everyone because he believes synthesizers have more range than guitars
kek, I can't tell if that faggot is serious or not yet. On top of that, he doesn't just talk about range, the faggot says guitars are "inferior" because the intonation isn't perfect. I mean, give me a break, only an autist would care about that shit. It probably even sounds even less organic because of the perfect intonation.

>>62059771
Coming up with complex rhythms really takes a lot of practice and planning. It did for me, at least. Try just coming up with cool shit my taping your hands on your knees when you're away from the instrument, then put notes to it when you pick it up again.

Chugs have their use over wild leads and stuff, the sort of thing that's difficult for a drummer to lock on to. It sounds pretty groovy imo. The Faceless do it a lot, and they do a good job of it
Breakdowns are dumb tho

>>62059742
because there's more than one diatonic scale

a diatonic scale or mode is 7 notes, 5 whole steps and two half steps

natural minor is a diatonic scale, IIRC harmonic minor isn't

>>62058505
Keep in mind that you cant play fast notes, neither chords

>>62059839
>>that one synthfag who goes here just to attack everyone because he believes synthesizers have more range than guitars
>kek, I can't tell if that faggot is serious or not yet. On top of that, he doesn't just talk about range, the faggot says guitars are "inferior" because the intonation isn't perfect. I mean, give me a break, only an autist would care about that shit. It probably even sounds even less organic because of the perfect intonation.
This asshole is trolling. He admitted it last week.

>>62059816
>after 7 years spent in this shithole I'm pretty certain most people dislike avatarfags
It's the first time I used that reaction picture, I literally took it off google images.
>there's absolutely zero way you could possibly know my height
There's a difference between an ad hominem and an insult based on an assumption. Which was based on the fact you complained about the 5th string being floppy, which shouldn't happen unless you were playing a short scale bass.
>and I'm certain you'd refuse to believe I'm 6'5" in real life unless I provided pics
If you say so... I'm 6'1" btw.

>>62059862
Oh yeah, sorry. I meant the one where its just alternating half and whole steps. The one where every note has a minor third and a diminished fifth you know? It's a pretty creepy and brutal scale imo

>>62059936
>brutal scale

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>>62059936
> creepy and BRUTAL scale

>>62060005
>>62060030
Am I wrong? Or are you guys just autists who have trouble associating music with emotion?

>>62060242
they're just autists who have trouble associating music with emotion.

that's literally all there is to it. any musician should be able to conciliate theory and context. if you're playing brutal music then half-diminished is a good choice.

>>62055701
I like SGs the best, I agree with this >>62055734

Also, some people have this issue >>62055757 but I either don't have it, or I have used SGs long enough that it has never bothered me.

>>62060242
calling a diminished scale 'brutal' is a pretty juvenile way to describe it

tense is a better description. django reinhardt uses diminished and half diminished runs all over his music and none of it can be described as brutal, tense yes, but not brutal

>>62060242
maybe a riff can be brutal but no way a scale in itself can be brutal. That's just extrapolating too far.

>>62060313
>>62060325
Okay, in the context of metal, its a brutal scale
Better?

>>62060353
kek
nah breh, as >>62060325 said, maybe a riff, but a scale... nah.

>>62060353
if you consider metal that constrictive.

which is more pretentious as a guitarist:
listening to metal even though you don't like it, or
not listening to metal even though you like it?

>>62060499
>pretentious

I think you meant retarded, and it's a tie.

>>62060499
The latter. There's nothing wrong when listening to a genre you don't like because you want to study and take some of their technique to apply them somewhere else, but not listening to something you like purely to appear as "better" is pretentious.

>>62060499
not listening to metal even though you like it is more pretentious i guess. if you like it, you like it, and that's kind of it.

i personally have no interest in metal, i find it all very lame. i don't do this, but at best i would only listen to and use metal for technical exercises.

>>62060499
The fuck famalam

>>62060447
Found the obnoxious prog fan

>>62060902
>tfw I'm so hopelessly not /mu/ that I can't be bothered to even check out prog
How did I even find this thread

>>62061211
It's shit tbqh

>>62050245
Ok, hear me out.

I agree, almost all ERB/ERG players are faggots just trying to look cool. But look at a bassist like Thundercat or a guitarist like Tosin Abasi. They have a talent or a greatly aquired skill, and both of them can groove really well. Idk about dic size, but they are both black so you do the math. What I'm getting at is that ERG's like in your pic are the heigh of faggotry, but some people can use them pretty well.

>>62061343
No one disagrees with you

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>>62050245
>mfw my bassist shows up with her new 5 string

>>62061359
>circle jerking this hard
there's probably half a dozen faggots on /gg/ alone that "agree with you"

rest of the music world has moved on

>>62060499
how do you go by not listening to the music you enjoy?

>>62061515
> girl
Things that never happened.

whats /gg/'s favourite tremolo pedal?

>>62061515
Nothing wrong with five strings, unless it's a really shitty cheap one where the B string flops around and sounds like mud. It's worth having the low B just so you have a D note lower than D2. You can't really play a proper root note for a D chord otherwise, and I always find myself wanting that low D

>wanting the D

>>62062312
what if you want to sound like mud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953PkxFNiko

New to guitar here. I've been practising using a cheapo guitar and haven't been having problems until I recently hit the e chord. My fingers on the 2nd fret can play OK, its the pointer finger on the first fret that I'm having extremely hard problem playing, there is buzzing no matter how close I am to the fret, I literally have to press extremely hard down for the note to register, is it me or the guitar? I don't have this problem with the d or a chord.

>>62062348
That's fucking hilarious

>>62062348
why is primus so bad

>>62062547
NO FUN ALLOWED

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bought this today, opinions?

>>62062523
>>62062547
yeah they suck

I mean what is this where's my blues minor :(((

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>>62062626

>>62062451
>New
You probably haven't built a large enough callus yet.

>>62062451
what happens when you fret that note without chording?

>>62061862
she's my ex. it's weird. having a girl kinda adds cred and masks the fact that the band sucks

>>62062312
all I've heard so far is a floppy ass B string, but I'll give her some time.

>>62062866
What do you mean?
>>62062697
What?

>>62063122
how hard do you preamp? are you flanging your finger correctly?

also you might want to adjust your envelope filter.

>>62063122
He means just playing that single note, not the chord.

One finger, one note, how does it sound?

New to guitar here, I know a guy who's actually pretty alright with a guitar who's been explaining different chords and musical terms to me. He says that if I want to play rock, all I need to know is power chords.
I don't know more than him but that doesn't sound right, do I really just need power chords /gg/?

>>62063229
well you can get through a lot with just power chords but i dont know why you would want to stop there

>>62063229
>I don't know more than him but that doesn't sound right, do I really just need power chords /gg/?
Maybe if you want to play punk or slam death. Using major, minor and even augmented/diminished chords will give a lot more flavour to your playing

>>62049136
The MBC is nice, I'm waiting for an MB myself

>>62063296
An actual Manson? I'm fucking mad jelly, let me know how it is

>>62063262
>>62063273
I don't think I understand this at all.
I'm totally dumbfounded at how different chords=Different genres of music.

By "get through a lot", what does that mean?

>>62063229
power chords are the minimum. Yes to play rock all you need is power chords, as in to play a few rock songs. You can't play all rock songs. I say the same thing to people I teach, I think it emphasizes that even amateur music is still "real" music.

>implying this isn't the best bassist of modern times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rBhv-Wg-Kw

read his manifesto at the end of the video and be enlightened

>>62063333
by get through a lot i mean you can play a lot of rock songs, even if simplified versions of them. different chords dont = different genres but rock can get away with being simple in a lot of cases

>>62063333
>I'm totally dumbfounded at how different chords=Different genres of music.
Your quads tell how right you are.
You can use almost everything everywhere

>>62063333
you can get through a song by playing a simpler version of a song. Similarly, instead of playing full chords you can play power chord versions, which are partial versions of the full chord. Look at a picture of an open E chord online. Compare it to an E power chord. Also, as the guy teaching you this stuff.

>>62063333
>I'm totally dumbfounded at how different chords=Different genres of music.
after maybe two weeks of study you will be disappointed in contemporary music I guarantee it

>>62063385
All I hear are chromatic runs

>>62063444
>you can get through a song by playing a simpler version of a song. Similarly, instead of playing full chords you can play power chord versions, which are partial versions of the full chord.
This is so wrong, it'll only work if they're 1-3-5 triads,

>>62063480
that's actually not even chromatic

chromatic is octave/12 semitones, this is quarter-tones

>>62063333
certain chords typically lend themselves to different genres. you'll recognize how certain chords/progressions "sound" jazzy, for instance. it's not really a rule, though. like 80/20.

you'll figure this out as you learn.

>>62048914
How practical would it be to make side money as a musician?

I'm thinking of making a band of like 3 guitarists and just making acoustic songs like that but I don't know if I can justify buying some of the more expensive shit if I can't at least make my investment back.

>>62063523
well okay then semi chromatic

>>62063418
He was telling me what octave chords were because I asked about black metal, he said that octave chords are what makes black metal black metal, and if you don't play black metal with octave chords it's not going to sound like black metal. So that's not fundamentally true?

>>62063385
>>62063523
Why does every time someone does something microtonal it sounds just unmusical ?
That's just my judgment but it always seem they go for the really small intervals, which gets too close to a minor second and doesn't sound quite right

>>62063484
You can do it with an chord that includes the root and 5th. So pretty much any chord. Power chords don't include the 3rd which makes the chord major or minor.

>>62063103
>she's my ex
musically cucked famfam

>>62063578
there's actually no colloquial name for it

it's the quarter tone scale

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarter_tone

>>62063612
because you haven't been conditioned to like it

not passing judgement here, just saying things would be extremely different if you grew up in the middle east or in some parts of india

>>62063569
Don't do it for the money breh, it will take a while before you can capitalize your investment.

>>62063612
I feel like they are Gameboy music or sound effects, don't know why.

>>62063385
Funny i just found him last night with that very video when I was looking up microtonal shit. He's ace.

>>62063604
>He was telling me what octave chords were because I asked about black metal, he said that octave chords are what makes black metal black metal, and if you don't play black metal with octave chords it's not going to sound like black metal. So that's not fundamentally true?
That's absolutely fucking wrong.
Take this for exemple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tW4AlW2n5A
First riff is just a minor melody with the E string droning about, an octave, 9th and 10th interval.
Then's comes a minor A chord.
What comes after is just a bunch of minor chords - again - being moved around the neck.
I'm too lazy to analyze the rest of the song but black metal is mostly minor, although you can use atonal melodies for a more chaotic effect.
I think there's even a nargaroth track that's in major.

>>62063679
No I don't think that's the problem, I'm usually open minded. But I'm not too versed into microtonal music so I haven't got too much exemples.

>>62063615
A Sus chord loses all its meaning if you turn it into a power chord.

>>62063797
>>62063679
Also I think the mix or maybe my setup is at fault, his bass sounds tiny and the drum seem too loud, so I can't fully listen to what he's playing.

>>62062095
FLINT
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http://sendvid.com/o82vipsf

>tfw you will never get it

What song is -it- for you, anons?

>>62063860
>strymon
/worship/ ?

>>62063797
I don't know what you're getting at with this power chord thing. A major chord loses its meaning too, but that substitution works. Just like you could just play the root note and nothing else, there is incomplete information. I just don't know why you are correcting me.

>>62063797
>>62063845
open minded is not enough

I'm not expecting you or myself or anyone to like this and I'd wager neither does mononeon

but it's a solid argument against any notion of "taste" in music

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>pedal review video
>every knob is left at the lowest setting

>>62056253
Fortress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC5ADVceEC0

>>62062547
Because they have Les Claypool. I found it hilarious when this fag implied I liked him: >>62059358

>>62064056
we literally just debunked your personality mate

you're irreconcilability personified

>>62059088
They got mahogany necks on their cheaper guitars.. Personally I really hate that.

>>62063159
>>62063226
Still buzzes. Have to press really hard.

>>62064439
hard to tell without access to your instrument

could just be that "really hard" is just "hard enough" and your muscles aren't developed to that point yet

>>62064023
that doesn't happen fucktard but thanks for the relatable post. >>>/s4s/

>>62064328
mahogany is on LP necks. But yeah it sucks. Mahogany can't be left unfinished either.

>>62064439
Okay, you may need to adjust the height of that particular string slightly. You may even need to adjust the truss rod.

If you bought a used guitar then the worst case scenario is that it has worn frets but you'd probably have buzzing elsewhere if that were the case.

Start by raising the saddles (bit by the bridge that the strings rest on) of that string by a half turn of the screws and retune before checking for buzz again.

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>>62064539
It's been stressing me out for days because of this . shit sucks, I was having fun until this point and now I don't know if it's me or the guitar anymore.

>>62064630
consider taking lessons

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>>62058779
My frets on the 20th+ frets are brand new still.

>>62063712
I mean I'd love it too, but I just want to know if I'd be able to at least break even, that's more important to me than making money.