is onkyo dead?

*glass breaks*

Its not dead, Its just unheard of.

ooh.. Jah!

so the world succeeded to make something more retarded than noise?

>>52922355
Every once and then it still silently buzzes

>there are people who still can't appreciate this kind of music genres.

i predict pride of willful ignorance itt

>>52924136
10/10

you're the one who's dead

-mr onkyo

>>52922355
What fucking album is that

i hope so

>>52924185
This seriously

>>52924185
good morning good afternoon

by a bunch of japanese guys

>>52924258
no, good morning good night. i f'd up.

lol p4k got a review of this

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>>52924185
post ironic garbage core. Dont understand how anyone can soberly admit that this is an enjoyable listen. I tried to listen to it and all I could think of is all the much better music I could be listening to. Waste of fucking time wankery of an album.

>>52924185
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/sachiko_m_toshimaru_nakamura_otomo_yoshihide/good_morning_good_night/

>>52924302
lmao.
Do you know what experimentalism is?
Do you know what dadaism is?
Or are you just another parrot, browsing /mu/?
I do enjoy listening to it.

>>52924334
>unironically being avant-teen
a tip of the meme hat to you

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>>52924334
I do know what experimentalism and I prefer it to not be a snooze fest. Seriously this album makes Ryoji Ikeda seem like Merzbow. I am also quite familiar with dada, fluxus, and other performance art circle jerks. In my ignorant opinions this album is nothing more than masturbation.

>>52924302
>all the much better music I could be listening to
That's why you don't get it. You don't realize that a sparse album such as GMGN can be played even when you're not in the mood for music at all.

ITT: Death Grips retards and memerap fans don't get art

>there's people who ca't appreciate the absence of "sound" that makes the realization that notes and music are not "sound" but an extension of silence, silence void of its absolute characteristic (something cannot be partially silent; if something breaks the silence then no silence can be, but silence lies and coexists, and is ultimately the point of all sound, as sounds extinguish and turn into silence, not in a sudden fall from "one state" to the "other" but as the result of a constant movement, a movement that onkyo reveals in its apparent void state: sound is not a negation of silence but an affirmation of it) in a continuum of negation and affirmation which is itself a revelation of what is there but is not heard, the materialization of the non-perceptible and thus the perception of the non-perceptible-turned-perceptible against and because of the imprisoning western rationality

>>52924439
>literal silence
>2deep4u
what isn't there to get

>>52924427
>music when you are not in the mood for music
What is ambient music?

It's been dead since the early 2000s you pleb.

>>52924462
Also music. Onkyo is for when you're tired of music, even ambient.

>>52924462
haha, omg.

>>52924416
how to appreciate this stuff:
http://www.anothertimbre.com/drouinolsen.html
the last pasus

>>52924334
>2015
>Claiming to be a fan of experimentalism and still namedropping Dadaism

Haha holy shit dude. Even fucking mallgoths like Marilyn Manson namedrop Dada.

Protip: An Art Movement from the 1920s has nothing to do with any true experimental art in modern time.

>>52924556
Just because its an oldish art movement doesn't mean its invalid.
The other "arguments", aren't even arguments.

>>52924556
whoa, calm your horses bro, you probably don't get the depth of rothko's colors anyway

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>>52922355
Yes, long live turntable music.

>>52924302
you're fundamental insistence that music be "enjoyable" (something i challenge you to define adequately) just continues to dig you a hole of ignorance. music is an artistic medium that offers so much more than simple twitching of the ass or a burst of adrenaline to the ballsack. it can transcend the hypermasculine and highly culturally fascistic and "historical" and reach to heights that we can sometimes only rationally comprehend.

your problem with sachiko is that he is not "emotionally resonant" but i argue that 1. this is one person's single composition (okay, two if you listened to the whole guide) and you might genuinely not agree with his approach/find something in it 2. if we expand this to be the avant garde in general with specific focus on the contemporary (last five years of EAI and Onkyo) i genuinely believe your lack of efficacy is based on one of two possibilities: either you are unable to identify with a rational ecstasy (i.e., feeling rhapsody at the feeling of a Good Idea the way some Enlightenment philosophers would describe it who seem to be the lens you're using to analyze your music since you demand "heights of experience" or something) or you refuse to approach these artists with the same curiosity and wonder you approach Scaruffi pieces. the reason i make this assumption is because i was once a Scaruffi acolyte and know i listened to the pieces with Scaruffi's reviews right next to them to explore them and it was this engaging of the material through one critic's perspective then more and more that created my love of music in the first place, and that was expanded when i went beyond one critic's ability to form an argument or analysis of a piece.

>>52924601
>Oldish.

Dada is literally 100 years old dude. It's only place is in Art history. I can immediately recognize people that don't have a clue about modern art when they start namedropping Dada as influence for what they're doing in the god damn 21st century. Onkyo has nothing to do with dada anyways.

>Adopting a century old aesthetic
>experimental

top lel.

yoshihide is amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNgPvVPGyf0

>>52924416
i'm really honestly finding you a bit pitiable given that your boorishness and refusal to fairly approach this music that has given me such joy has led you to not only disengage the material but actively rebel against those who appreciate it. i don't claim that there is some objective value to the things i like; upon further listening you might come up with the same conclusions you've somewhat hastily made already. but to rob yourself of the experience is one thing. to attack others for a difference of opinion is destructive, unnecessary, uneffective, and betrays the very white pretensions your music taste indicates you have.

i'm assuming you're a white male ages 15-20 living in a so-called first world country who likes science and logic a lot, has a bit of an artistic side, and self-describes as atheistic without having a firm grasp on the theological complexities that exist in the world because you believe in coming to quick conclusions as opposed to allowing yourself to have open ended questions. a scientist, not a philosopher or religious man. your taste suits you, but it doesn't interest me, and your insistence on "trolling me" isn't being validated here with anger but looked upon as childish.

>>52924713
>just because its old its invalid.
lmaoing at this guy.
It's a different take inserted in a different art movement, and in a different art form.
Yes, it's experimental.

>>52924302
>>52924416
go back to your foo fighters, brother

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>>52924654
long live patrician order

>>52924756
Dada was only significant as a response to impressionism. It's literally like quoting Louis Armstrong as an example of the avant garde musical aesthetic in 2015.

You're a poser try-hard. End of story.

i like his jazz stuff a lot more.

>>52924812
Dada was a response to art in general, obviously it succeeded a movement.
And yes, its possible to paraphrase louis armstrong to explain today's avant-garde music.
The core concept of avant-garde is always the same regardless of the movement, or the year.

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>>52924860
yeah, this is excelent

>>52924812
its discoursive strategies are similar, from taking the position of anti-art (against white western academic music) to its approach to the unconscious

>>52922355
your cover is flipped you absolute faggot

>>52924812
>You're a poser try-hard. End of story.
don't get THAT mad.

I own shitloads of onkyo records in flac to sample the goat textures in my music.
I recommend it.

>>52924972
share

>>52924991
use soulseek.

>there are actually people in this thread that are defending this album

Just fucking stop. It's the most lazy ass piece of shit I've ever listened to. It's a couple of beeps and bloops and some silence. That's the entire fucking album.

Just fucking admit that it's a piece of shit, it's not art. You're just lying to yourself to look cool, please stop it because it's making me cringe intensely hard.

>>52924972
can we hear the results?

>>52925004
what do you recommend?

>>52925019
kek

i liked it

>>52925019
see
>>52924780

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>>52925019
go back to your scaruffi, son

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>there are people who actually enjoy this album and pretend its music

Seriously what the fuck, this is a new level of autism

>>52925019
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>>52925101
>2deep4u

go back to your death grips child

>>52924891
Almost all art in the last century has taken the position of "anti-art" it's the most tired aesthetic that anyone could adopt. So called experimental musicians have become way too lazy. Instead of creating anything with any depth or significance they fall back on namedropping Marcel Duchamp and other cheap "anti-art" gimmicks. Improvisation in general has become a self-indulgent wankfest, but especially timbral improvisation like Onkyo and other EAI.

Most so-called avant garde music has become a caricature of itself, and only disciplined composers will be able to turn this trend.

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>>52925019
>Just fucking stop. It's the most lazy ass piece of shit I've ever listened to. It's a couple of beeps and bloops and some silence. That's the entire fucking album.

>>52925101
>pretend its music
Its not you who decides what is or what's not music.
All you can do is decide if you like it or not.

>>52925101
>>52925019
Some people enjoy the conceptual possibilities of how far one can push sound.

no no no what the fuck is this boring shit

I think this album is the example of when you cross the "experimental" line. I swear if we go any further, somebody will make an album with 27 tracks of complete silence and there will be people defending it saying that it's "art". You all need to fucking stop. Now.

>>52925165
>how to spot someone who listens to music for the beat and to sing along

>>52925165
When you cross the "experimental" line, is when you actually do experimental things.

>>52925153
>sine waves interjected with silence is pushing sound
>in 2015


It's not the 1950s kid.

>>52925165
>somebody will make an album with 27 tracks of complete silence and there will be people defending it saying that it's "art"
this already happened a lot of times bro

>>52925184
lol. you obviously haven't listened to the album.

>>52925186
Hahaha lmao really? Give me an example bro

>>52925178
I listen to music. I don't listen to silence with bits of noise.

>>52925180
No, you do things that are TOO experimental. To the point where it's barely even allowed to he considered music at all.

>>52925210
I'm not talking about this album.

Are you telling me that's not exactly what Sachiko M's gimmick is?

>>52925210
so how is it pushing sound?

>>52925245
>I listen to music. I don't listen to silence with bits of noise.

This is music, just because you can't dance to it honey doesn't change that.

>>52925245
Too experimental?
That's what my mum says when she listens to my bloody valentine

>>52925245
>Hahaha lmao really? Give me an example bro
there are plenty of examples on this list, not sure which page, but scroll through it and you'll find them

http://www.discogs.com/lists/Experiments-gimmick-and-concept-albums-bands-and-labels/14850

>>52925272
>>52925184
"Onkyo is a kind of music that focuses on the exploration of the physical traits of sound rather than music as a form of expression. "
If this doesn't answer your questions. then you're just too stubborn to have a proper discussion

>>52924810
How can somebody have such a great and horrible taste at the same time

>>52925184
it's pushing sound... aside

cause there's no sound

lol

>>52922355
my dogs fucking hate this album

>>52925276
music
[ ˈmjuːzJk ]
NOUN
vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion

This isn't music.

I'm honestly just embarrassed by all of the kids that think they're listening to avant-garde music in this album.

They thought they were finally cool. All the cool kids on RYM were listening to it, so they went on 4chan to look for a download link. They didn't get it at first, but they convinced themselves that they did. Finally, after months of listening to music that wasn't video game soundtracks, they had achieved Patrician status.

>>52925048
https://rateyourmusic.com/collection/exitsense/strm_h,ss.rd/onkyo

>>52924302
>all the much better music I could be listening to
What could possibly be better than Good Morning Good Night?

>>52925349
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onkyokei

>>52925324
by being a novelty/rare-hunter rather than a music fan

>>52925349
>vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion

Check, check, check and check.

>>52925311
Timbral experimentation (aka exploring the physical traits of sound) is about as old as it gets dude. Why do you think Synthesizers were invented.

Contrived and outdated concepts do not equal quality avant garde music.

>>52925361
thanks

>>52925411
Timbral ≠ Physical trails of sound.
at least in that context.

>>52925383
of course the trip user who got into onkyo because of rym had to step up and leave a worthless post to put in evidence the arbitrary character of language and encyclopedia definitions

>>52925131
are you trying to compare autechre to onkyo music?

>>52925442
That's exactly what Timbre describes. If we're setting aside tempo(time) and pitch (harmony) you're only left with the raw physical characteristics of a sound aka as it's Timbre.

>>52925461
nice projection.
Why don't you faggots actually try to use arguments instead of memes to support your ideas?

>>52925476
That's not what's meant to say in that context.
Actually listen to onkyo and you'll know.
It's abstract and hard to put into words

>>52925470
not him but i'd assume it's a good idea to get into autechre etc before trying to onkyo/eai

>>52924439
I'm a death grips fan and most of us appreciate experimental, abstract and chaos theory musick

>>52925510
>It's abstract and hard to put into words
so you will just keep on sidestepping, contradicting yourself and playing "semantics" while stubbornly refusing that you have neither the argumentative nor persuasive capacity to fully disclose what you're supposedly trying to "express".

>>52925574
Then why do you listen to Death Grips?

>>52925574
also
no one in this fucking board seems to understand art
art is real you fuckgien idiots!!!

>>52925510
You fucking retard. Sound has physical limitations noted by time,pitch,intensity and timbre.That's it


You're having trouble describing your thoughts, because you're trying to describe something that does not exist and you can't deal with the fact that your precious Avant Meme music is actually not deep at all.

Both sides arguing in this thread are acting autistic

The idea of just exploring sounds in that manner has been done before (fuck, just look at all the weird 70s synth wankery albums out there) and IS art and is necessary for people to use those discovered sounds in new ways later on

But doing this isn't very unique, see >>52925184,
and the people defending it ITT sound super special-snowflakey. This album/genre isn't really groundbreaking

>>52925690
>autism shaming

Where do you think you are?

>>52925245
the fuckin point of experimenting is to cross the lines, how can something be "too experimental", is just experimental, any less than that is not experimental, use your brain ffs

>>52925690
thank you mister arbiter, you could solve the ukraine-russia conflict in 5 minutes with your incredible argumentation, ability to synthesize and charisma

>>52925599
ditto.

/mu/ is being invaded by narrow-minded, young, unexperienced music fans.

:/

not necessarily bad - but just open your mind. experience new things. APPRECIATE EXTREMES

>>52925597
because i feel their experimental sound
it's honest

People who seriously defend this album are almost always posers. There's much MUCH better and more interesting/conceptual onkyo out there.

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>gettin this mad about meme music

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Why do people care so much? Just let others enjoy whatever the fuck they want. Limiting yourself to a certain set of experiences is bullshit.

>>52925926
People don't get mad by this music, people hate this music to get mad.

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post ur favorite yoshihide

>>52925884
can you recommend?
idk what the hell onkyo is and i just downloaded this album because i wanted to know what was this thing all the cool boys were talking about

>>52926022
This is kinda weak
I like Silanganan Ingay

>>52926039
Description of onkyo taken from RYM:
>Onkyo is a kind of Japanese music that focuses on the exploration of the physical traits of sound rather than music as a form of expression. Since onkyo is based solely on these actions of the musicians with their works, the genre is inclusive to a variety of different musicians and aesthetics. Still, performances are minimal with the inclusion of large gaps of silence; as well, these performances tend to be stoic, but this last feature is not a requirement for something to be classified as "onkyo."

Some entry-level onkyo:
>Taku Sugimoto - Opposite
>Toshimaru Nakamura - Maruto
>Sachiko M - Sine Wave Solo
>Yoshimitsu Ichiraku - The Music of Surround Panner
>Toshimaru Nakamura - No-Input Mixing Board (he's got loads of albums of this sort of stuff and it's really interesting)
>Otomo Yoshihide - Ensemble Cathode
>Tetuzi Akiyama - Terrifying Street Trees
>Taku Sugimoto - Fragments of Paradise

>>52925884
wow, great contribution, you just repeated the same thing that 10 other posts said. well done, trip user.

>>52926252
Nice post anon, you really contributed something to the discussion there.

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>>52926243
I like this one

>>52926243
i havent heard that much "exploration of the physical traits of sound" on the album in the OP,
maybe this shit is just 2deep4me, will check some of those albums, thanks

>>52924302
Music is subjective, stop being so oppressive, please!

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>>52925575
rekt

>>52926377
Haven't heard this yet, what's it like?
>>52926386
Good Morning Good Night isn't actually a great onkyo album, though I suppose they explored the physical traits of a 15kHz sine wave.

>>52926556
>Haven't heard this yet, what's it like?
It's like you are sitting in a middle of a theater performance with a blindfold

>>52926556
so why is it so discussed here?

>>52926643
it has turned into a "meme"

>>52926640
So lots of sounds going on with little context?
>>52926643
It's probably the most well-known onkyo album, avant-teens love it and it got a positive review from Pitchfork.
>>52926668
Sadly, this.

>>52926668
damn...

>>52926700
>So lots of sounds going on with little context?
It's really hard to grasp the whole thing. The beginning is sort of similar to what you imagine but it gets really interesting by the end. Check it out. Probably my most memorable experience with an onkyo recording.

>>52926700
>Sadly, this.

Shut up Dave

>>52925820
More like /mu/ is being invaded by kids with no real opinion or taste that namedrop albums beyond their scope of understanding.

>equating Onkyo with Dada

toplel

>>52926771
I'll check it out soon, thanks.
>>52926777
I've been rumbled!

>>52927273
Rec me an onkyo album that sounds like a ceiling fan

>>52927702
I don't know, I haven't listened to much onkyo since my hard drive crashed last year.

Stop pretending to enjoy this album ffs. Call it art if you must, but this is the musical equivilant of a blank piece of paper being considered art.
Literally anything is art if enough people call it art. Stop thinking that acknowledging this album as art is the same thing as enjoying it, and you'll realize you're listening to silence and sine waves

>>52928024
>you'll realize you're listening to silence and sine waves
I fucking love silence and sine waves

>>52928172
Kek

>>52928172
To be honest, I used to listen to Bar Sachiko in the background while doing normal stuff because of how nice it was to just have a tone playing at any time. Good Morning Good Night is too jumpy for that.

>>52928318
This would sound awesome pitched down, but right now it's just fucking tinnitus.

>>52925126
Although I don't entirely concur with your opinions, I respect them and your knowledge on the topic.

>>52928631
I might do that, it would also end up being 6 hours long though (which would actually be even better).

Does this have the potential to keep neing reposted until it become a new tricked you into liking garbage maymay like ITAOTS?

>>52928172
>I fucking love silence and sine waves
so, check tonefield genre
https://wavelength2.bandcamp.com/

Has there ever been a more extreme piece than John Cage's 4'33"?

>>52929841
yes
http://www.discogs.com/Jliat-Still-Life-5-6-Types-Of-Silence/release/504652
song 3 from this album
read the review
one thing the review dont say is that the values are used to find make frequency and how far they are from 0 means the volume, with 0 being silent (and not ultra quiet)

What are some albums with absolutely no sound?
4'33" doesn't count.

>>52930426
Fuck silence I want negative sound, anti-sound.

>>52930466
Bull of Heaven - 211: With Muffled Sound Obliterating Everything
But I'm looking for some physical recording that is completely silent.

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No, I actually recently made an onkyo album entirely in MATLAB.

ddx-10.bandcamp.com

>>52930506
>But I'm looking for some physical recording that is completely silent.
http://www.discogs.com/Gerogerigegege-Zero-Song-Flexi/release/1351343

>>52924556
dada is still very much relevant in modern time.

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>>52930506
Bull of Heaven is my favorite band

>>52930506
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/ep/the_gerogerigegege/0_songs_ep/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/the_new_blockaders/simphonie_in_o_minor/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/the_royal_british_legion/2_minute_silence/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/slight_slappers/very_best_of_slight_slappers__2_/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/melvins/shit_sandwich/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/unauth/ronald_reagan/the_wit_and_wisdom_of_ronald_reagan/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/spazz/funky_ass_lil_platter/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/the_haters/wind_licked_dirt/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/vinyl_gang_bang/vinyl_gang_bang/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/various_artists_f2/the_nothing_record_album/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/telium_group/record_1/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/comp/various_artists_f2/sounds_of_silence__the_most_intriguing_silences_in_recording_history_/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/christian_marclay/untitled__record_without_a_groove_/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/yves_klein__charles_wilp/prince_of_space__musik_der_leere/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/son_of_pete/silent_knight_disco_party_pt_2/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/due_process/do_nothing/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/the_haters/the_haters/
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/dance_hall_of_shame/no_thinking__no_talking__no_music/

>>52930767
Need something with actual duration, sorry :/

>>52930820
Yeah, they have a special place in my heart.

>>52930852
Cool, this is what I was looking for. Thanks!

>>52930923
>Cool, this is what I was looking for. Thanks!
most of those repeat the concept of that Gerogerigege flexi

>Need something with actual duration, sorry :/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV7l81cUcpw

>>52930965
Has to be a full recording.
Now, if I could find the first recording ever with absolutely no sound (but with duration), that would be great!

>>52931008
Could you rec me some really minimal monotone drone that doesn't sound like a dog whistling but more earthy?

>>52931107
I'm not into drone, sorry :/

>>52931107
Dog whistle* not dog whistling

>>52931135
Okay some really minimal onkyo with earthy timbres then?

>>52931107
bull of heaven's already been mentioned
they have a couple (hundred) tracks like that
one of their most minimal and also "earthiest"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbnGiqNG3zM
also, JLIAT

>>52931107
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MIkRfAxx8U

>>52931008
>Now, if I could find the first recording ever with absolutely no sound (but with duration), that would be great!
but why tho?

>>52931246
because he's pretentious

>>52931290

What was the first completely silent recording?

>>52931165
BSC - The Good? I'm not sure tbh

>>52931246
Reasons. I would really appreciate it.
So far, I have The Best of Marcel Marceao from 1971, but it has two minutes of applauses and I'm not sure if the other 38 minutes are completely silent.

>>52931253
I'm just curious.

>>52931339
>What was the first completely silent recording?
the first recording ever :^)

>>52930448
There are actually a lot of them http://rateyourmusic.com/list/kleshikuh/no_music_inside/

>>52931401
Already saw that list, but most of those aren't 100% silent.

>>52931170
>>52931185
>>52931339
Thanks guys much appreciated

>>52931401
empty box + t-shirt

this is a good alum

>>52924706
>>52924734
good read