Reaching the limit pretty soon
Anything noise related. Including noise influenced genres.
Favorite noise artist?
Favorite noise album?
Your own noise creation?
Your own set up or favorite setup?
Good album to get into noise with?
Merzbow is the way to go.
He is a pretty good drummer too. His DIY aesthetic is what makes him cool.
Noise-only pieces, glitchy noise created from Max/MSP patcher that I made, distorted growl/screech, industrial tracks, and etc.
In order to get a better /mu/ noise creator community within /noise/, let's get more feedbacks going around instead of posting and then abandoning the thread forever. I noticed that people were unhappy about that.
I gotta sleep pretty soon unfortunately because I had a very long day and feeling tired, but I would be more than happy to listen and give feedback when I wake up so please keep monitoring the thread.
Alright, thanks. I really love EVOL by Sonic Youth and the really heavy sound it has, as well as Sister. I'm not sure if it's considered to be really noisy by some people really into the genre, but what I'm really looking for are things that have that sort of heaviness of EVOL and the noisy parts of Sister. I haven't listened to early SY yet which I need to, but what bands other than SY are good with this sound?
If you haven't heard White Suns, definitely get on that. Probably the closest I've heard a noise rock band get to the noise end of the spectrum (if you're not counting stuff like The Gerogerigegege), really unique stuff:
Maybe 4chan shouldn't have a music board then. I mean, fuck general boards, right? Appreciate different forms of artistic expression for their individual purposes and stop lumping it all together, right? I mean, following that logic, right?
General threads are just a statement of "Hey, I like this genre and wanna talk about this genre. Who else likes this genre and wants to talk about this genre?"
Just saying, it's a pretty arbitrary thing to oppose.
So frustrating when people think they have to treat Fantano's opinions as objective truths.
He actively encourages people to form their own opinions and debate their side. I feel no discomfort in disagreeing with him every now and again.
Giving different subjects their own boards is appreciating them for their individual purposes.
You're the one who would have a single board for every cultural nuance. We used to just call themed threads by the subject matter. Writing the name in forward slash is taking it too far.
Oh no, he gave them a great score. /mu/ just wanted to have an opposing view to not look like they are riding on a bandwagon.
Stress reliever. Gets the anger out. It's like a painful detox.
Fair enough; I feel like White Suns blend the two really well, though, so still give it a listen if you haven't!
Otherwise, check out Lightning Bolt; they're pretty essential, definitely noisy but still really rock-oriented:
Gave this a listen last night, it was fucking good. Especially liked the track "KKK Nightmare", sound collage goodness.
Not too into Noise Rock but I know there's a massive chart of recommended albums out there somewhere, you could try looking through the wiki for it.
No, I wouldn't. Thanks for assuming though. I'm just saying it's kind of arbitrary to nit-pick like that.
Like seriously, who gives a fuck if everyone wants to talk about a genre in a single thread? What difference does it make if you call it a "noise general" thread instead of a "noise" thread? There's virtually no difference.
I don't even understand where your complaint is.
All this stuff is conceptual. This one came with a double disc DVD that was pretty much like an interactive movie or video game. Pretty fucking far out and scary shit.
This has a good review about it:
It also won some awards and shit, but I can't find them right now.
I'm an electronic engineering student and I've taken a few music tech modules. So for me a lot of my enjoyment in listening to harsh noise is listening out for familiar effects and circuit bends and picking out samples and just enjoying the construction and variation in the composition.
Aside from the technical enjoyment, I just enjoy the fact that it's a total sonic barrage. An onslaught of sounds that you never hear in most other genres of music because they're too ugly and abrasive.
It's trance-like yet it's blood pumping. It's chilling, it's exciting, it's hypnotic. But all pretentiousness aside, it's just fun. It's having fun expressing oneself with "non-musical" sound.
That is the most asinine thing to be upset about.
Who the fuck cares? It's still the same thread with the same content. It's just a more recognizable title that fits the format of the website.
You're just nit-picking. And that's waaaay more obnoxious and nerdy.
There's a couple things I like about it; sound-wise I'm not too huge into the relentless impenetrable walls of noise, I like the more subtle (but still harsh) stuff with really interesting sounds and textures, noise music really takes on a physical quality that I don't get from other genres
Plus I love the idea of making/performing noise because of how organic it is - with instruments you can play certain notes, choose specific effects, etc, but when you've got this throbbing mass of noise and a big pedal setup, messing with the knobs and shit gives me the impression that you're only partially shaping these sounds that keep growing and evolving on their own
That sounds really pretentious when I type it out, but like >>49840355 said it's really just fun!
I'll give it a listen, thanks!
Oh cool, I'm an EE student too. I really want to start messing with stuff and making noise, I'm really interested in the whole DIY area of things too. I'm still only in some of the basic classes, though, what year are you?
Brighter Death Now's last release was Very Little Fun in 2011.
Anenzephalia released Kaltwelt in 2012.
Con-Dom released Nothing - Live Manifestations Of The Eighth Pillar: Maschinenfest / Jerusalem earlier this year.
IRM released Order4 in 2010.
As someone who went to a number of PE and noise shows in Germany during the late 90s...so the fuck what? Why would this matter? It doesn't improve my appreciation or understanding of the genres.
Pic related (yes it's me)
Merzbow - Venereology
Masonna - Noskl in Ana
>turn it into a meme and associate it with this site
An image and title that are used once every few days (at most) by threadstarters serve as anchors, they aren't memes.
The use of a style similar to 4chan seemeds more of a lighthearted adoption of the style.
You have no proof this stuff is a "meme" or that people associate noise with 4chan.
Start with Mclusky and The Icarus Line. Both ggreat acts and on the punk side of noise-rok see also jesus lizard
then move onto big black, rapeman, shellac. early swans.
finally end with a heap of fucking awesome rocking WOLF EYEs or HAIR POLICE or NAUTICAL ALMANAC, that type of music. enjoy friend, wish I was where you were with this knowledge in hand
>Are folks into noise generally also into free jazz?
Don Cherry is the shit.
I like to zone out to the longer pieces and occasionally be surprised by interesting textures. I also enjoy shorter pieces sandwiched between non-noise songs on albums.
The Jesus Lizard, McLusky, Distorted Pony
Trying to make a guide to early harsh noise, here's a super early draft
Today Is The Day
Yeah undoubtedly, their evolving is always interesting, although I think they had room to experiment more in the noisier realm.
I have loved Black Dices' evolution as a band to, another great discography to get lost in.
Did you ever like The Icarus Line, like the Rolling Stones of noise rock?
Well you'd really like their second album 'Penance Soiree' and probably their first album 'Mono' alot, the rest is interesting but thats a great start. Check these two songs
^^ from penance soiree - opening track
^^ from mono - also opening track
lemme know what you think from that
Borbetomagus is closer to free improv than they are to straight-up noise, I think. Great group though.
This is quite good, reminds me of some 90s SubPop stuff and Andy Falkous' bands. I'll check out their albums, thanks!
nice glad to see you enjoyed
yeah their production does sound likke some Falkous bands and they def love SubPop and wear influences on their sleeves. yet they pull it off with a swagger like they are the Rolling Stones of current Rock/noise-rock/punk-rock
but way more inaccesible.
Eh, I don't mind a bit of noise rock discussion leaking into these threads now and again though I do agree that it should be kept to a minimum.
It's not like making separate threads for noise and noise rock is that hard, in fact there was a couple of pretty solid noise rock threads on /mu/ this week.
>rhythmic noise shit
This has very little place here though, I agree.
Rhythmic/power noise is a subgenre of noise, & it belongs just as fine as PE does in a noise thread. If anything, if we were being picky about what doesnt belong, noise rock would go first (although personally i dont mind it at this point because it happens in literally every thread, its unescapeable).
It's not the music itself that bothers me it's just like that guy said the whole attitude of "noise that doesn't have samples or is just pure noise is bad" thing that is getting on my nerves.
Yeah that is a bad viewpoint, it throws a ton of good noise under the boat. But thankfully its just a few people i've seen who say that in a thread.
To let the meta discussion stop for a bit, here's a question: what's the most intense noise album you enjoy? There's plenty of people who can think up a noise album that's good for those who are new to noise, but what can you think up that blows you away, that makes your ears hurt in the best way?
People associate any music they get into through /mu/ with 4chan and it is that way because I say it is. This isn't court and you can't hold me down to some legislative standard you dickless nerd.
I really like Neuroscience is Dumb-BreakdancingRonaldReagan he has really dirty sounding walls and they're the best on that album, though pretty much anything by government alpha I really like too just the whole cut up style in general.
I'm as nervous as you are about the prospect of dumbshit kids latching onto these threads for the sake of being able to impress their secret club buddies with their Last.fm scrobbles but come on, you're trying to make an issue out of nothing.
Not many people on this board like noise, certainly not enough to support threads that revolve around the discussion of just one artist/album/subgenre or whatever. These threads attract more posters than less broad noise-related threads would, and (at least so far)these posters have largely been sensible, helpful and generally non-retarded.
So calm down.
I just discovered Cha'ak'ab Paaxil: it's a festival of improvisation (electroacustic, free jazz, noise...) which takes place on Mexico (Mérida, Yucatán). I thought my country wasn't into this.
Here. As promised, I will give feedback.
Noisy vaporwave. Surprisingly, I haven't heard something like that. You should polish that and make it your thing.
Little more layering could be could. Something in the higher frequency too maybe?
Jazz Oscillatorio E Rumoroso
Fuck. This is fucking intense.
It could be even noisier. Something more screeching without making somebody's ear bleed.
Still, this is fucking rad. Pure madness.
Thanks a lot anon. mkay track I'm workin on now has some dnb/neuro influence, I'm likin the screech idea.
holy shit this thread is funny, I'm diggin the discussion. No-one gonna 'ruin' noise or make it mainstream in any case. If people get into somethin different from it being a meme or whatever, so be it. I totally support it. If it helps someone grow their musical vocabularly and expand their minds gotta be a good thing.
Fuck you I'll do what I want.
I'm glad you liked it. I don't have proof it was me but I remember seeing that thread and making that post.
they're doing okay. Gunna propose an idea though: what if we had a website for noise. Like noise-general.com, with forums dedicated to artist discussion, collab discussion, chart creation, and general tips and recommendations?
Cool textures essentially. Although part of me getting into it was just out of me being curious as to how harsh and atonal music can go. I'm very into the more extreme forms of metal and hardcore like Powerviolence and Grindcore.
D-does anyone wanna listen to my band's old release
>harsh noise with a sense of humor
>synthesizers on best track
>recorded on an iphone
I make noise because I like hearing the textures and focusing on looped sounds that feel nice, but also because I'm not talented enough to produce techno bangers. Why do you make noise, /noise/?
You know what, they are both noise. Just not harsh noise. I think these threads think harsh noise=noise. That's it. I should have saw Pharmakon when I had the chance. Did anyone go to the Brooklyn show over Labor Day weekend?
what if I told you I make my noise digitally with VSTs, samples and little bits from my own field recordings and then record it through voice memo, import into my DAW, master it and THEN up it? Would that upset you?>
Is she though? I mean compare her to Whitehouse. If Whitehouse is power electronics I would consider Pharmakon Industrial. Ben Frost is like an avant-techno noise. Kind of like Vatican Shadow. Then again Dom considers Vatican Shadow industrial. I don't know?
So I liked both. They were a bit haphazard in approach. I'd give both a B-. You could do better in terms of production but your ideas are there anon. Keep at it, noise is a fun hobby. Or maybe it isn't. Maybe it's therapeutic.
I started off wanting to do Industrial music inspired by Nurse With Wound, Throbbing Gristle, Skinny Puppy, and whatnot. My gear was a demo of FL studio, a disc of computer music magazine's free VST offerings, and Mu.lab free. I never wanted to do pure noise when I started, and my first works were contemplative minimalist pieces with weird noises and distorted drum machines playing Tribal sounding beats. I bought a microkorg, taught myself the basics of keyboard playing, and took a music theory class, a piano class, and a music technology class at my highschool(s). (I swapped schools, which offered the piano/tech class) The reason for making music during this phase of my life was simply that nobody would form a band with me. I sucked at singing and even though I offered to some of the more avant garde peers of mine to be a sound effects/noise guy instead, nobody wanted anything to do with me and music.
Years later, during the aftermath of a shitty living situation I was living with my (now ex) girlfriend at her mom's house and had almost nothing but a laptop and some old clothes from the goth phase I went through in highschool that were getting too small. I was so poor the only shoes I could afford were combat boots a half size too big. I was pretty damn punk. Anyway, I was recruited to Terranean Recordings, who were looking for new artists in a thread on here so I started up a project called "Pray, Repent, Receive". All I had to make anything was a shitty HP laptop, so I borrowed a USB karaoke mic from a friend and manipulated found sounds using audacity, LMMS, and various freeware tools I can't remember the names of now. I made music then because I had always wanted to be an artist (I draw/paint sometimes) and I never had any motivation to practice, so I never got good. I was also kind of pissed that I had stopped practicing piano, so I couldn't actually play anything then either. So, I made noise.
Fast forward to the era of Cretin Dilettante...
I was frustrated with DAWS because I felt like my noise compositions sounded too boring and I wanted more live and spontaneous elements to them. I deleted all of my software tools and bought some used gear, which included a Korg EA-1, Roland TR-505, Korg DW-8000, and Roland SP-808. Basically I focused on learning to use hardware, and then finding ways to "play" the various machines at my disposal by abusing different functions. Then after a couple years of that, I got tired of the limitations of hardware and bought DAW stuff and midi controllers.
Today, I got back to practicing piano and I have made a bit of progress with my drawing skills so I make noise "just because". It's a part of me now, and always be I think. Plus, I still have some things to say that can only be said with dissonance, cacophony, and excessive yelling. ;p
Aww, suck a wiener. Any wiener. It doesn't have to be the wiener which is a euphemism for "penis", but it must be a wiener nonetheless.
Anyway! Noise rock contains Noise and should be considered a subgenre.
Let me tell you something anon. I've had a minibrute an sh 101 gaia and I think that microkorg is the best bang for the buck. Even better. You can get a used one for like 200 bucks and it is an amazing synth.
For those who are on /mu/ a lot I'm the guy who bought his gaia for $320. Do not pay full retail for that synth.
Noise rock is a subgenre of rock music though. There's some noise rock bands that straddle the line(Sightings come to mind immediately) but for the most part the split between the "noise" and the "rock" tends to be like 10:90.
It's a shame noise rock threads aren't as popular as they used to be on this board, this whole discussion could have been avoided if they were.
I've been working through the Powernoise essentials chart, downloaded the discographies of and have been liking Imminent Starvation, Pete Swanson, Xotox, Somatic Responses and Pan Sonic. Also interested in recommendations for stuff in the vein of Noisegirl, SAM, Xentrifuge, Phosgore, etc.
Sweet, this thread is still alive.
Stress reliever. Gets the anger out. It's like a painful detox.
FUCKING THIS. Music is fun again.
new noise for all yor
no it isn't a shame at all. it's for good reason. half the time people calling themself 'noise rock' is usually just an excuse for not being able to play their instruments and being shit. It's not always noise for noise sake, it's justifications for plebdom.
some is okay though
Yeah noise rock isn't that good, noisecore is fucking amazing but noise rock limits itself by using guitars in my opinion. Also a lot of them are assholes who like to make stupid opinions on harsh noise it's annoying like APTBS. I also remember one in a SC thread was getting on me and telling me that pure noise is boring but I listened to his stuff and it's some of the worst shit I've ever heard and was more like bad rock it had no interesting sound design it was just really disjointed and random and didn't have a single wall. Probably a young kid though but still.
Came out with a new song today I hope you like it.
We postin our setups?
Pic related + objects and my voice
holy shit, that's a very vertical photo u got there Anon.
got no pics but I've been overloading a few things lately into the desk, turn knobs on desk > overdriven as fuck tape, back > desk > DAW, more processing, etc
Because he's fresh and experienced psychonaught that forged his energy to produce an organic psychedelic experience. Instead of the widely available OTC synthetic psychedelic music that is purged out with high tempo and no real understanding of a trip. Come to the enlighten side and enjoy pure organic psychedelic ambient downtempo but not boring music.
get your fuck on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-rdkNhyoHc
If you can point out some Noise Rock that sounds like Hijokaidan, Solmania or even Incapacitants fire ahead. As my experience so far as a fan of both genres hasn't show that to be the case.
currently listening to pic related
>tfw you will never record a harsh noise ep with your brother, make a skate video, then get into synths and really into chess
>Stick Men With Ray Guns
This is really just Steel Pole Bathtub worship which isn't close to Hijokaidan or Noise at all. It's standard Noise Rock.
As for the Hijokaidan track you linked it's got more in common with Free Improvisation that it does with Noise Rock. Even from just the structure it sets a gulf between the two tracks.
Me and others just hosted a 1 day experimental sounds festival at an old ww2 fort in the uk yesterday.
some great names came from local and intenational scene. Everything went down great, lot's of secret gigs down tunnels of different sizes and shapes. the acoustics in that place are perfect for drones and noises.
Peter Brötzmann and Steve Noble were our headliners, he spent the whole day smoking massive cigars and insisted on playing on a different stage to the one we had spent thosands on hiring mostly for him
If anyone attended I want to thank you for help make the day so special.
Footage and recordings will be making their way on to the www very soon.
Great line-up for that. I've never managed to catch Duncan Harrison live but he sent me some tapes for review and they were great.
Gig reminds me of the Bloodnok Smear gig in Russia. It was in an old disused grain silo in St. Petersburg. Got it on DVD with two other gigs (one of which takes place in a flat).
I was honestly so busy I barely got a chance to talk to him other than give him set details and answer his questions, he came across as polite but I think we were all just a bit pissed off he refused to play the main stage.
Yeah Duncan is a nice guy, all the tapes he used for his set were taped over projects of other people at the festival, jokes on him though because he bought one of them off me for £4 so his loss.
Never heard of that show but it looks like a lot of fun.
These guys in pic were building their piece throughout the day and performed it for an hour at 9pm they took varous field recordings from the fort and sliced them with their modular setup and generative music from them live coding puredata.
Pictured is a Yamaha MG102c mixer, Alesis SR-16 drum machine, Behringer Ultra Metal, Behringer Reverb Mchine, Behringer Vintage Phaser, shoebox cassette recorder, macbook pro, thrift store ukelele, & Arturia Minibrute SE
Cheapest one I could find
used on ebay for like $35-40 usd. From what I hear people prefer the dod, but the digitech isn't far behind. Then again, there are people like pic related who might disagree.
I wanna pick up a grunge if i see one.
I use this circuit bent monster for a lot of my harsh noise compositions. It has MIDI too so I pipe in drum patterns from Ableton and then use alligator clips to bend/destroy.
Really? I thought it was more than that, since I guess DOD is dead and was absorbed by Digitech. I quite like my Grunge, I've been able to get some cool sounds running it into the Death Metal. And is that Vomir's set up, or just someone with a sticker or two?
Damn, I'll have to post a pic of what I'm currently using after work. Hopefully it'll still be relevant then.
okay let's give you something diverse then
Prurient's Earthworks / Buried in Secret
>power electronics, harsh noise
Guilty Connector's New York Shibaki Terror Conversation
>harsh noise but with some included bits that make it a bit more immersive
Somatic Responses' Autista Ubriqco
>power noise, IDM
Deep Jew's Fragile Boy
These are all personal favorites that should give you a diverse and hopefully enjoyable experience with what noise has to offer.
What's the appropriate way to listen to noise?
Do you find a comfortable level or just blast away?
It depends on the noise
Harsh Noise-Darken your room and close your eyes. Breathe deeply and play the noise as loud as you can. Let it infect you and sort of put you in a trance. This actually creates a fairly meditative state and helps me focus more on the music personally. (If you do drugs it's fun to listen to while high as well, but it's not like it's required to be fucked up or anything)
Ambient Noise-Treat much the same way as ambient. I.E put it on and do other things that don't distract TOO much from the music or put it on as you lay down to go to sleep. (It's pretty good for browsing /mu/)
Rhythmic Noise-Bob your head along and/or try working out or drawing or something. I painted a bit while listening to While You Were Out last week and it was bliss
Power Electronics-This one is sort of puzzling but akin to hardcore punk P.E. is pretty good for when you don't really feel very analytical and/or your angry as fuck and just want something to spazz out to and help you wallow in angst and hatred
I just now realized I misread that anon's post and that now my post does seem kind of silly but I don't get the hostility.
What's wrong with making some suggestions to help people enjoy noise m8?
The first minute and a half could be. Straight up industrial would be the best tag.
I remember watching one of the first two tetsuo movies late at night and then immediately trying to go to sleep. I entered a state of sleep paralysis for the first time in my life. I had visual hallucinations of the flashing black and white cityscapes at the end and audio hallucinations of the industrial beats. I had no idea what was happening and I was terrified, but I think the experience contributed to my affinity for noise music.
this is a good post . harsh noise is a very similar to ambient music in that you need to be paying a lot of attention to it to really enjoy it. listening to merzbow in the background to me would be more grating than anything.
im a big fan of noise, i have listened to a good portion of Merzbow's works and dabbled in other artists like the Gerogerigegege and Masonna, some noise influenced artists like Black Pus, Hella, along with a LOT of bandcamp-core noise artists (usually kinda bad)
just thinking you guys might appreciate a track i've made recently with a broken guitar and a drum slicer, it has a lot of noise and drone influences. i'd post it in the soundcloud thread but they dont really like that kind of music
more of an experiment than anything, so it's not very long at all. tell me what you think
*mixes a gin and tonic*
*put down my favorite book since my youth watership down*
good evening my fair man, it seems that this philistine cannot simply comprehend the nuances of noise the most intellectual genre in the world. unbeknownst to our primate friend there is a hidden world in the layers of the noise and to understand the hidden meaning is almost as hard as understanding what women want
*swirl around glass mixing the drink*
*get tongs and put in ice frozen from the waters of lake minotonka*
*tips my trilby toward the other noise afficiandos and resume my full English breakfast*
>The Icarus Line
>The Rolling Stones of noise rock
What the actual fuck
The Icarus Line is not noise rock and it definitely didn't influence the genre. Not one bit. What the fuck are you on about?
can someone recommend to me the easiest, most plebiest noise album they can think of?
I'm genuinely curious as to why you guys like this stuff and I want to try giving it a listen for once
I'd suggest just starting with merzbow. The thing to remember about noise is to take into account the texture of the sound, let yourself be absorbed by the music, physically feel it.
doom metal, stoner rock/metal, creepier (not necessarily dark) ambient, all kinds of trippy/aggressive sounding hip hop, and whatever you would classify boards of canada and oneohtrix point never
Wow this thread is really funny by now. I'm glad it's still alive. I've never listened to any of this shit or heard of any artists ITT.
I had no idea so many people even noised. I just got back into a creative bender and sick of all the usual and common music ideals. Just exploring noise as in thresholds.. How loud can a piece with limits actually be?
Like, you can listen to something that is approaching pure white noise and the bitstream/waveforms... but it's also shaped by your amp, room, speakers, volume levels.. Even in the loudest of the loud, turn it down to a listenable level, below the pain threshold and you can find whole different tonalities in it.
I still can't believe there is actual albums and genres and scenes about it, but that's probably because we all want to connect to others, and gravitate towards sources of similar ideas. Can only be a good thing.
I'd suggest you star with Yellow Swans, a lot of onkyo, then ease into harsher stuff with 3 by Hanatarash and Merzbeat by Merzbow. If you want to get even harsher after that Burned Mind and Human Animal by Wolf Eyes are good starting points, with Ejaculation Generator by Masonna, Tokyo Anal Dynamite by The Gerogerigegege, and Pulse Demon by Merzbow being a good progression in harshness from there. After that it's kind of up to you, but I'd suggest delving into old Power Electronics and Japanoise first, as that's really where a lot of what is considered "noise" nowadays gets its cues
I'm sorry my fellow noise-gentleman for my earlier behavior. I'll have you know I took your earlier essay to heart and put on some of the Wolf Eyes latest rhythmic and heart pounding adventure and found myself jacking off to the rhythm. Oh my dear boy I do say it was everlasting bliss and I think I saw the heavens; Jesus was there and his mother Mary. Oh how happy I was to see my late grandfather (a veteran of the Congo conflicts) and I said "Tally-Ho!" as I went back to earth, running out of semen in my nutsack and unable to cum any further.
haha fuck readit. Actally, now I understand where you are coming from, but no I'm not actually new to the internets, or a redittor.
Yes, this Anon gets it. Though who really gives a shit what other people think or do?
It's as stupid as the people ITT asking, 'how do I get into noise? what are some cool artists to like?'
Fuck off with your status shit/social clingings.
You too. Who fucking cares what other people reply to or say.. why tell others what to do? Are you going to tell me what I should think next?
let them go and free your minds. Going with the flow is easier.
Hey guys, this is a new track I just finished, could you give me any feedback? Is there anything I could do better?