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Pixelcanvas.io - Slow and steady wins the race

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Templates:
http://imgur.com/a/PT8Ki
http://pixels.horse/
http://mlpixel.org/
Spriting guide:
https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8a519954a29d6ac1418ab2b200b82a06

Building:
>Fausticorn http://pixelcanvas.io/@-667,388
>Quote under Diamond butt and cleaning the area around it http://pixelcanvas.io/@-300,1473
>Mount Rushmare http://pixelcanvas.io/@-1467,1369
>Lettuce http://pixelcanvas.io/@-905,1576
> 420 pony http://mlpixel.org/#420pony
Relocating:
>Metroid
>Anything right of the teacups and teacakes and left of couch rarity that's below the kekistani flag

Notices:
>Someone keeps erasing Diamond butt (stopped currently, but we have to take care)
>Mount Rushmare template has been updated >>30734907

Last thread: >>30737202
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>>30767359
Looks like Fausticorn will be finished today
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damn there are almost only 3 minute land mines left on fausticorn
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why are you guys still here?
just die already
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>>30767385
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>>30767385
The ride NEVER ends, you fool!
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>>30767385
Nah.
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>>30767385
you seriously underestimate our autism, commie cuck
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>>30767385
I like making ponies. I was thinking of making this one after Faust was finished.
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>>30767382
Background over right wing is mostly 30s cooldown. A really comfy place.
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So here are some suggestions for future portraits:
>Spitifre
>Soarin
>Ember
>Thorax
>Big Mac
>Braeburn
>Zecora
>Flurry Hearts
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>>30767457
We already have a Braeburn template. It just need a better background and a correct location.
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>>30767496
Here is it. It could probably go right of Celestia and Luna from last thread.
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>>30767516
>Celestia and Luna from last thread.
i am sorry but i still think those 2 portraits are far too low in quality, especially compared to almost everything else we have made so far
i know our best spritefag left us and i appreciate the effort but i prefer at least a certain standard of quality
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>>30767516
This is the most updated version.
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>>30767541
What was so bad about them?
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>>30767541
I dunno, Luna was alright.
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>>30767541
I thought they were alright. Bottom row portraits aren't the best quality ones anyways (except maybe for Sunset Shimmer).
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https://strawpoll.com/pwh3ar7d
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>>30767913
Where's the "Yes but not yet, they still need some work" option?
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>>30767922
Vote yes, they are not trash
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>>30767913
they just look weird
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>>30767913
>>30767922
>>30767932
>>30767936
Alright new Strawpoll with more options
https://strawpoll.com/1w49877b
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>>30767913
Luna's left eye can be a bit smaller. Other than that, I think they are as good as we can make them. Any necessary adjustments can always be made, even after having built them.
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>>30767913
>>30767947
I think my biggest concearn would be their noses. They're too... Thick? Big? Round? Don't know how to explain it correctly.
Normally they're more pointy and profiled, like in picture related.
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>>30767997
Too round at the top.
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>>30767960
>>30767997
>>30768023
Better?
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>>30768078
Luna's eyes are great. Sunbutt's nose still needs to be more pointy.
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>>30768078
Yes, but now the snootle is too big. Or are their eyes too small?
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>>30768098
>>30768101
I'll give them both rhinoplasty one sec
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>>30768078
One more small suggestion: the bottom (to the viewer's) right side of Celestia's iris of her (to us) left eye may use a few more pixels. It's an oversight from when I redid the eye. In other words, make sure it goes all the way around the pupil.
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>>30768169
>>30768101
>>30768098
an Improvement?
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>>30768204
Yes.
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>>30768204
This sincerely pleased me.
Consider me a supporter in your campaign, fellow anon.
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>>30768204
What if you changed the lower part of the eye border on Celestia from black to light gray?
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>>30768306
That's been one of the most debated things. Black outline is more like the show, but grey fits a more natural appearance.

Here you go
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>>30768336
looks better
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>>30768336
She's looking a lot better.
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>>30768406
>>30768473
If you guys think so. In all canonical depictions she has a thick black line all around her eyes. I'll just let you guys decide, then.
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>>30767359
How does http://mlpixel.org/#420pony work?
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>>30768336
I was the first anon who raised this issue on the last thread. But now, I'm not really sure...
Both options look great. Black one is more canon-attached (as >>30768506 said), but dark gray one is more canvas-attached (as every portrait is borderless on the eyes).
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>>30768582
I understand that we sometimes need to depart form the shows vector style to get better look pictures. Making the lower border of the eye grey does make it look like the eye isn't just pasted on the face. I can go for both, really.
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Just took the last of the 10s pixels
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pls stop
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>>30768743
done
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>>30768788
Thanks. I don't know why people are drawn to vandalize this particular piece. Their is plenty of space on the canvas they can scribble on. I've adopted this, and several other small pieces to maintain.
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Why are there so many damn 3 minute pixels on fausticorn? It's getting frustrating
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>>30768809
>>30768864
>I don't know why people are drawn to vandalize this particular piece.
>Why are there so many damn 3 minute pixels on fausticorn?
"""Commies"""
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>>30768809
I've also protected that art from previous attacks. I like it. It's an old reminder of how the canvas used to look before Arkeros self-destroyed his beautiful center-relative cooldown system.
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>be me
>leave for like three months
>come back to check up on how things are going
What the fuck. Our area grew like 7-8 times. We have three finished murals, and one giant mural.

And what the absolute fuck is pic related? Just, how? Fucking shit I've missed a lot/
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>>30769174
Void and MLP worked together to btfo commies.
http://pixelcanvas.io/@-2082,-1438
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>>30769174
Void + /mlp/ +Brazil + /bant/ are the pixelcanvas axis powers and besties 4 life.

We joined forces to make Commies dead recently. SDLG is sadly kill RIP. Frechies moved below us and are jerks, but we're still at peace (for now). Turks mind their own business, but /mlp/ has through friendship, become one of the major factions on the canvas.

It's a nice feel.
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>>30769214
Holy shit this is beautiful.

>void has a single-pixel tendril going off the corpse of the commie flag
>follow it for several thousand pixels
>it ends in a pone

>>30769241
>sadly SDLG is kill
Did they ally with us as well at some point? I remember them being massive faggots, then just staying neutral and fucking up the centre back when the centre was a thing

>Frenchies
I assume they're separate from based Koreus?

>Turks
What are those doing, I don't remember them
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>>30769174
Friendship is magic.
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It's going to be nice when fausticorn is done. I'm sure if Lauren ever saw what we have done she would have mixed feelings.
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>>30769264
Yeah SDLG was our ally for about a week, but then the Void and Brazil got em. Looking back we weren't the best allies to them lol

Frenchies showed up shortly after Brazil made their megaflag, and claimed the area below us I guess to keep us in check. They sided with Commies and therefore are scumbags. So far they've left well enough alone though.

As for Turkey, hell they don't do much except work on that mega flag. It's been taking them ages. Don't know what their diplomatic status is honestly.

/bant/ came back to life and are now our neighbors. The thing that started the crusade against the commies was one of their memebers whined on the pixelcanvas discord to delete their art of Hitler and swastikas, and the mods actually did because they're cucks.

OH yeah and the clovers that used to be below SDLG got blowed up because I guess Recruiter betrayed the Void after they made an NAP.

I'm telling you guys pixelcanvas is the best mmorts
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>>30769368
>mixed feelings
Why? I'm quite sure she'd love it.

After all the appreciated the collage /mlp/ made for her, and that had actual porn on it.
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>>30769396
Pretty sure she won't be a big fan of all the lewd pones.
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>>30769396
It was slipped in there don't know if she actually really looked at it.
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>>30769380
>Frenchies showed up shortly after Brazil made their megaflag, and claimed the area below us I guess to keep us in check. They sided with Commies and therefore are scumbags
That's gay

>/bant/ came back to life and are now our neighbors
That's awesome

>I'm telling you guys pixelcanvas is the best mmorts
I still fondly remember going to sleep at 4am after spending like 8 hours fighting off a raid, before I decided it wasn't healthy and fucked off back to real life
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>>30769407
She's a big girl and she knows what the real world is like.

I think she'd be flattered that we still care about her creation so much, and hold her to such reverence honestly.
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>>30769426
This. And the lewd is really not the focus there, not to mention everything is technically completely SFW.
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>them 3 minute nut busters
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>>30769426
This. I'm sure she would appreciate the time it took to make all of this. I'm really surprised none of the big pony websites have gotten wind of this.
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Reminder that Craig and Lauren have been dealing with, and making fun of our type of degeneracy long before MLP:FiM was even a thing.

They're both professionals guys. Mommy will always be happy with what we make for her.
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Fausticorn has less pixels left than Treehugger.
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>>30769368
Are we showing the canvas to mommy after we finish this, or are we doing the last mural frst?
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>>30769576
I say we wait till the last mural is complete. plus some of the other small projects
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Are we not doing the giant purple HORSE PUSSY mural anymore?
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>>30769576
I'd like to show her after fausticorn but that's just me
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>>30769576
id like it if we could do the last mural first
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I already tweeted Faust about this but she didn't reply so maybe she hasn't seen yet.
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>>30769663
I live like 4h from her house, so if she doest respond ill try and tell her face to face about it next weekend (depending on her schedule).
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>>30769663
god damn it anon why are you such a faggot
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>>30769698
Does your dad work at Microsoft as well?
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>>30769710
It was like a month ago.
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fug is dis
http://pixelcanvas.io/@-182,421
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>>30769777
the green text? Hasn't it been there forever?

Anyway nice trips
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>>30769663
She'll see it if we spam her from at least dozen different accounts, but it's not the time yet. We need to finish our shit first.
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>>30769663
>telling her before we're ready
why faggot
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>>30769844
>>30769768
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Come on lads just a little less than 2% to go, we can do this in a few hours.
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How many people are working on finishing the Fausticorn mural right now? I estimate 6-8 people, including myself.
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>>30770400
I am
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>>30770400
Me
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>>30770400
boop
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>>30770400
Been throwing a few pixels down every once in a while. Just want to see it done for mommy
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>>30770681
>For mommy
I know a lot of people call her mom but still that shit makes me cringe
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>>30770681
When will this forced "mommy" meme die already
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>>30770744
>>30770783
>haven't realized the truth that you are nothing but a groveling child who wants Mommy to put your picture on the fridge

wew
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Has anyone shown this to faust?
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>>30770817
>>30769663
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>>30770812
Don't know what the fuck you're on about. I could care less if faust sees this.
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900 pixels. Getting close.
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>>30770400
Friendly commie anon here, helping too.
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>>30770971
no thanks, go away!
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>>30769396
>>30769426
I think the biggest concern Lauren would have with our /mlp/ixelcanvas, is the issue with the Windmill of Friendship and other political references. Not just because she's obviously a lefty, but because of the recent events on the US. She'd probably not be aware that this project started way back that happened, and may be misguided somehow by the context to believe there's any relationship between IRL politics and PixelCanvas politics.
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>>30770971
>>30770984
Friendly commie's been alright, he's talked about his disdain for how autistic the other commies were, and generally didn't cause much trouble in the past. I say thank you atleast.

No claiming the last pixel though, commies aren't allowed to have that
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>>30770984
Why?
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>>30770997
Got a good point. I was thinking today as well how "bad" the canvas looks after recent events. Swastikas and alt-right memes everywhere with Commie/Antifa stuff BTFO. A normalfag stumbling in now would think this is Nazi white nationalist central.

>>30771003
Leave the one good Commie alone. He's a good influence even if he is a filthy fucking red. No offense friendly commie.
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>>30771003
>No claiming the last pixel though, commies aren't allowed to have that
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800
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>>30771027
Yeah I could see a shit storm happening because of that.
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>>30770997
>Not just because she's obviously a lefty,
Isn't she like a feminist and a near-SJW too?

>may be misguided somehow by the context to believe there's any relationship between IRL politics and PixelCanvas politics.
Well with so much of the board being, /mlpol/, and thus unironically nazis or at least far-right, I don't know whether she'd really be "misguided".

Unless you mean the local "politics", meaning how we put the windmill of friendship to appease /pol/ and/or /bant/? But that was just a small factor in making these elements, the main motivation is and has always been the general political leanings of those working on the art.
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>>30771064
>Isn't she like a feminist and a near-SJW too?
fortunately not Rebecca Sugar level, but yeah. The term feminist is muddled anyways, but she's in between the original definition of it and a feminazi. Not too far either side.
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>>30771027
Being honest, no single person linked to 4chan ironical culture would understand correctly the jokes. I just hope Lauren gets them as what they're, ironic in-jokes.
And I don't offend, I'm pretty adapted by now.

>>30771029
But I've already claimed first and last Spike pixels, first Shimmy Shammer pixel, and second last Derpy pixel. I'm way over the "allowed" barrier. :P
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>>30771088
>But I've already claimed first and last Spike pixels
spike....
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>>30771106
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99%.
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>>30771119
I'm still waiting the moment to make this, since the day I jumped in this wagon.
Maybe with a banner like the one in that picture.
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>>30771141
kek
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700 pixels left.
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>>30771141
yeah the banner is kinda shit but I could see us making it. I think the political stuff is starting to blow over.
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>>30771154
I don't, you remember how long takes to make spike portrait?
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>>30771178
Two or three days, and that was just because there were just 2-3 people helping, while the rest was borderfagging.
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>>30771178
just put up the template and let communist lurkers/spies work on it for us.
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>>30771190
Are there still """commies""" lurking here? After their massive failure with the "Red Void" and "Pixelgrad 3.0" being blasted off by Brazil?
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>>30771216
I wouldn't doubt the dedication of some of them. More of a red ghost right now though.
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600
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500
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500!
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500?
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>>30771445
>>30771448
if someone's gonna do a countdown, w/e. Let's not have two people doing it.
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>>30771457
488
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>>30771457
Fuck you
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Our current rate is ~240 pixels per hour, which means just about 90 minutes to go
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250 to go
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232.
The next job is finishing up the other projects we have started, and the the last mural, yeah?
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>>30771733
yep
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Well if I don't get the last pixel, at least I got the last scroll pixel
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170
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Our rate over the last 20mins is about 400 pixels/hour, we're gonna finish this in about 20 minutes. We must have burned through most of the 3min pixels.
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128
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>>30771837
>tfw you think it's over but you get 2 3mins in a row
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>>30771837
I imagine a lot of people have jumped in after your last announcement, and some have done so to claim the last pixel.
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>>30771216
the brown turd of pixelgrad 3.0 was made by /bant/. as far I know brazil didn't help
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>>30771918
Yeah of course we ended up in a minefield.
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WE DID IT /MLP/
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we did it bois, sign here
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How many people do you think will claim to get last pixel?
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>>30771837
22 minutes, you were pretty close
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>>30771991
I was here!
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What project now?
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>>30771992
last pixel get
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>>30771992
Second to last, happy enough with that. First thing I was there to see being finished as well.
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>>30771993
If it wasn't for the fact that the last 50-or-so pixels were in a 3min minefield, I would have overshot it even. People were taking them left and right.
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>>30703408
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>>30772006
I built all of Twilight, a good portion of RD, the bottom right corner of the edges, a good portion of ponk's tail, some AJ and a lot of Fausticorn's hair, snoot and wings over all this time

Feelsgoodman.jpg
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>>30771991
And I helped!
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It looks pretty damn amazing sitting on top of everything. Good work everyone.
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>>30772027
Press F to pay respects to Spritemaster
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>>30772028
I spent the majority of my time on fausticorn herself she's a big bitch.
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rogue void is attacking the Orbital Friendship Cannon. Ain't connected to anything they're just blacking it out. http://pixelcanvas.io/@1203,824

anyone got the template?
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>>30772052
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>>30772052
oh also this over here as well. They were taking advantage of our focus on Fausticorn.
http://pixelcanvas.io/@258,347
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>>30771992

I got the remaining red landmine at -590,542. Might have been it?

Awesome that it's finished.
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>>30772052
Wonder why honestly. Maybe it's a pathetic attempt by commies or frenchies to falseflag
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Okay so uhh
What's next?
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>>30772074
Mt. Rushmare
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>>30772074
repairs, also look at http://mlpixel.org/ for mlp templates that haven't been finished
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>>30772076
>>30772078
found it, will work on it now

(enjoy the (you)'s)
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Rarity and Treehugger are probably better to work on now than Rushmare, since they can be finished a lot faster.
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>>30772061
thanks, if anyone can help ( >>30772052 ) I'd appreciate it, because it's actively being destroyed rather than static pixels that can be fixed later.
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>>30772099
Remember, erase brand new pixels as soon as they happen. It breaks the spirit of the attackers.
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>>30772120
they're currently trying to build a tendril from the left wing
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>>30772133
moved to bottom, on the right
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I kinda like the rainbow colors on the solar panels wanna keep em?
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>>30772182
it's like 6 pixels, i don't mind them.
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>>30772182
Sure, but maybe not a solid color. Just the tint right now is fine
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Now that Fausticorn is finished, mlpixel.org will release the next Userscript soon.
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>>30772253
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>>30772253
Neat
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Where are the remnants of Pixelgrad 3.0? I need a good chuckle
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>>30772705
-10000,-20000 for the flag.
The red void is south of us, but it's still more or less unmolested.
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>>30772779
Never fails to put a smile on my face
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>>30772253
Holy shit, good job.

Still against botting, but I'm impressed with how easy you're making everything
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Swastika on Rarity.
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Hi, someone is raiding me right now, can you guys help me fix this mess? any help is appreciated, I'm located next to the royal sisters shield
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Where's everybody working?
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>>30773451
Fausticorn, some faggots are attacking it.
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>>30773451
Still working on Octavia on the awesome mural, getting close to finishing her.
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>>30773451
I'm re-mastering some of spritefriend's old work, I'll let you know if it turns out nice
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Did we ever pixalate the Vinyl that goes with this Octavia portrait, or was it just forgotten when someone built in her place?
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>>30773451
Helping with the borders of the megamural @-10K,10K. In awaiting of a decision about Villains mural or Celestia/Luna portraits.

>>30774300
She was originally made as a stand-alone project, AFAIK. That wasn't her original location anywas (she used to be where CMC mural is now).
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>>30774315
Yea, I know, but the guy also wanted to draw a Vinyl looking up at her, but never did because the space got taken over. I was just wondering how far the artist got on that.
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>>30774338
I don't even know if he's still with us. A template was never uploaded, so I think it's safe to say he abandoned the project.
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>>30774338
I made the matching Vinyl ages ago. But people didn't really like it so it sort of ended there. Not even sure what was wrong with it, honestly.
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>>30774354
Could you post it, or am I gonna have to dig through the archives? I wanna build it over with the other Vinyls.
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>>30774372
Sure, but I'm at work so you'll have to wait till I get home, (about 8 hours). :/
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>>30774381
No problem dude, I can wait. Thanks in advance.
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>>30772253
>>30772259
>inb4 a shitload of botted pony art
>inb4 commies steal the bot script and use it for their shitty purposes
>inb4 canvas becomes battlefield of bots
pls don't
Or if you feel like you have to, make the bots just defensive for existing stuff, so we don't have faggots botting their shitty OCs over our place like this ugly shit http://pixelcanvas.io/@-1540,1699
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We also still have the Elements of Harmony that are to be placed around the Faust mural. Does anyone want to work on that. We can lay it off too, we still have several works to finish.
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>>30774535
this is a good idea
make a requirement that only pieces that have achieved 100% completion at one point can be botted
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>>30774536
Only three projects left clocking in at about 11000 pixels. Let's wrap those up first.
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>>30774536
I'll gladly help on that when the moment comes. Meanwhile, >>30774552.
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>>30774535
It is using the mlpixel.org API... it is just able to build templates which are available there (and the API allows).
I won't allow fresh templates without some high percentage already being built (but there are exceptions). And i won't allow templates where people are already using different versions of it (currently just lugia).
>commies steal the bot script and use it for their shitty purposes
If they would be able to do it, they would have rebuilt the Botnet i had for Brazilians and Ancaps - this would have been way easier.
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>>30772253
It got released now.
But currently, at the beginning, the link is only in the #news-and-information channel of the Support-Discord.
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>>30774624
oh, and when you are bored, just select the "Awesome" template (megamural at -10000,10000) and let it spam some pixels there.
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>>30774635
>not giving us the link
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>>30774705
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>>30774705
It's in your heart, Anon. It was always in your heart.
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>>30774646
Are we going to just let bots do the the megamural, I thought we were going to do it by 'hand' rather than having a bunch of bots do it for us. That way its a lot more impressive i guess.
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Do you program for a living or something? It's demotivating how many quality scripts you've provided. What's the secret of your productivity?
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>>30774992
>demotivating
stop being jealous, look up to them and hope you can be like them
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>>30774972
It will never get finished if we do it. It's way to damn big. Besides it's not anywhere near our hand made stuff.
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Where the belle go?
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May i bump this thread?
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>>30776533
I can't say no to such a qtp2t p0ny, of course you can
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>>30774646
So that's how this crazy shit made more progress in past 24h than it did last week. Maybe there's a chance we can finish this before Christmas after all.
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>>30774384
Shit, I completely forgot about you.
It honestly looks like I deleted that version that I mentioned, for whatever reason. Sorry man. If you want it I guess I can attempt to redo it tomorrow.

I do still have this, though. It doesn't match anything else, but maybe you can find use for it, I dunno.
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What banners and portraits are in the backlog atm?
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>>30777536
There is no backlog.
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Esperanto gives me trypophobia
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What do you guys think about making the fourth mural just discord? I have a good idea for a template.

>>30778889
So close faggot
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>>30778909
Propose an image then. If it is popular enough, it may be made into a template, and if that is popular enough, many people may help build it.
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>>30778968
this desu famalam
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>>30778909
Personally, I think the fourth should be left as it is, reflecting the ruins of a once great group.
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>>30779251
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>>30777227
Nah, it's okay. At least you tried. Don't do anything you don't want to just for me.
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So, what are our options for the fourth mural?
Considering how activity is slowing down, I think it would be best to make this a group villains mural.
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Goodnight bump.
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>>30779354
Welp. I tried doing something.
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Now goodnight bump, the last one was a shower bump.
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Since we're going slow, I thought I'd show what I've been working on. Taken from one of the many incomplete works of >>30703408

critics welcome, especially on how to fix gummy, the grapes (left of Luna), and everything else in general.

reference: https://saturnspace.deviantart.com/art/This-was-a-Triumph-298516584
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>>30780333
I actually really like that.
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>>30780333
Thanks, friend. It's better than nothing.
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>>30780869
looks nice
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>>30781535
Thanks. Obviously, only the ponies on the left are written over, but I hope to fix that in the next day or two
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>>30775655
You could try to fit her under the NMM vs. DB battle, or in some small free space under the M6 mural.

>>30777536
Mt. Rushmare and the Lettuce are the only projects currently in progress on our backlog.
There are still discussions about Celectia/Luna and Braeburn portraits, as well as the 4th mural and the Elements of Harmony on the Faust dedication.
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>>30781549
>Mt. Rushmare and the Lettuce are the only projects currently in progress on our backlog.
Nobody works on the 420 pony :/
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>>30780869

I"m not even from /mlp/ but if you manage to build that it will be awesome
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>>30781554
I see that more like an individual side project. It's really small, after all.
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learning math in pixelcanvas...
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>>30781554
I'm willing to devote some bot time to it, but it seems in a bad place because of the rainbow line it cuts through.
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Oh hey, they actually repaired it, I wasn't expecting that.
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Guys we still need some art for our beloved /mlp/-tan. Does anyone know any good art that we can pixelate?
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Where were you when this pic happened, Anon?
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>>30782206
>NAZI PUNKS
>NAZI
>PUNKS
NAZI Punks.... let that sink in.
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Bemp.
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>>30781782
Ignore the rainbow. It was an old border.
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>>30781710
Could someone who understands probability please explain what the guy does there? What is the formula he used?
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Hey, if anyone is interested in helping me, I'm going to be making a Pixel Version of the He Will Not Divide Us Art. Here are the coords and the Template if anyone wants to help. http://pixelcanvas.io/@-3264,3488
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Could I get some help cleaning Rarity's ass?
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>>30783329
ok you take care of the shit between her crack and i take the swastika or whatever
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>>30783117
It is just the
> probability is the number of desired outcomes divided by the total number of all outcomes
and
> If two events, A and B are independent then the joint probability is the product of both single probabilities P(A)*P(B)
thing.

The rest is just playing with basic math, so that you don't have to multiply stuff 12.000 times (100 people with 10s cooldown in 20min = 12.000 pixels/events).
The probability that the first pixel after the Update did not already get set is 3600000/3600000 = 1 ... the next pixel is 3599999/3600000 .... the pixel after this is 3599998/3600000... and this 12.000 times and multiply everything together.

The " total number of all outcomes" is 3600000 and never changes, because the list of pixels to set doesn't change during the time between updates... so it gets multiplied with itself 12.000 times = 3600000^(12000).
The countdown-thingy 3600000*3599999*3599998*... of the "number of desired outcomes" can be written with factorials and is 3600000!/(3600000-12000)!
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Small reminder that the current version of the void-gift looks like shit and that there was an update of the template a week ago.... and some botfags still didn't update their templates.
The version on mlpixel.org is correct.
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>>30783740
Ohhh... okay. This is all still unintuitive to me, but at least I think I can see the logic here now. Thanks, Anon.
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That eyesore has just been 'cyanized'. Should we build over them now?
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>>30784848
Where's that 'faggot' spoiler image when you need it?
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>>30784906
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>>30784906
>>30784924
corner coordinates?
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>>30784924
alright, we just need boundaries of where to put the sign. Then someone needs to get it on mlpixel. Should be fast too so we can take advantage of these freshly placed pixels.
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>>30785108
>The central cyan area has nearly 3 minute pixels
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>>30785821
That's what happens when you wait forever to do something about it.
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There aren't portraits for all the princesses yet.
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>>30782315
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxd8ml-n5NE
GTFO newfag!
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So, is the whole no swastikas and no porn thing still enforced?
There is a cat sucking another cat's dick and a swastika made of swastikas, neither of them are small, or very far out.
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>>30786592
nah pixelcanvas is dying, their mods are getting lazy.
>>30786487
go back to /mu/ hipster
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So, does anyone have the villains mural templates? I feel like it's time for a decision to be made.
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I give this less than a week before it dies
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>>30787512
I give you less than a week until you die.
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>>30786762
I don't have it, but just look a few threads back. It's in one of the OPs. Though at the time of my writing this, you have probably found it already.

We should really get started on the fourth mural.
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Pixel pones are dead?
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>>30788271
/mlp/ and /mlpol/ made some neat tools, but there is nothing to use them for or against. Even before factoring in the general decline in interest over time, these threads thrived mainly on conflict and spritefags providing a steady stream of fresh content. There has been a drought in both.
I'm currently waiting for a design for the final mural.
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>>30788576
that our main pixelfag left is what kills us it seems
that guy designed most of your stuff
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>>30788576
Spritefag here, what do people want as the final mural?
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>>30788611
A stained glass image of Discord, may or may not feature the other villains. Pictures have been suggested but I can't supply them right now.
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>>30788621
Alright. I'll need to see the other pics to get an idea, but I could work on something
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REMINDER: Be the change you want to see

These threads will only die if you let them
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>>30788611
I don't know if beggars can be choosers.
I think it was agreed that the last mural would be dedicated to villains from the show. Personally I'd like something like pic related. Spritemaster had some pretty good designs for the final mural such as this one. I don't know why this design was shot down, other than the colours being off and perhaps giving the characters a bit of an 'edgy' vibe. I really liked it.
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>>30788640
I personally liked this too much.
My only concern would be the colors on Discord (specially on his face), but the general picture looks neat.
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>>30786624
Since when is Dead Kennedys hipster tier?
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How does the void work?

By placing a black pixel anywhere (such as next to the nostril), and working from there. There is no honor among vandals.
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>>30789334
Weebs BTFO
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>>30788640
I'm down for doing this one.
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>>30788640
yes
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>>30788640
So, should we start on this?
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Bant TRF here, our IRON CROSS IS PEACE sign is under attack being turned gay can you help at all?
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>>30789344
Because it isn't pastel ponies.

This is the void: Placing random black pixels everywhere in order to blacken everything.
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>>30789929
Give template
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>>30789929
gladly
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>>30790002
It is something we did not template, just red it all out we will fix it
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>>30790023
thank you
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the fags seem to have some numbers
we need more people
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>>30790024
Can't bot without one
Follow this
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>>30790082
well we don't bot.
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>>30789929
Finally some action again, I was pretty much only idling around at this point
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>>30789334
DRATINI THE FAG
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We are slowly gaining the upper hand
haha i almost forgot how fun this is
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>>30790092
Normally we don't either, but bot protection is the only effective way to keep the attackers away. You don't actually have to bot, just keep placing pixels one by one, line by line in a botlike behavior so the enemy thinks they're fighting a bot. Also, fuck fags and fuck commies.
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>>30790158
cool! Im not the same anon as that one but I might tell The Cap that he hates boting, I don't mind it though.
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QUEERS BTFO ONCE AGAIN HAHA
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>>30790178
TRF + MLP = A team that can't be stopped
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Commie attacks are getting more and more pathetic, they can't even take over a little banner, while their fourth flag got pooped on
http://pixelcanvas.io/@-10000,-20000
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ITALIAN MAN UNDER ATTACK
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>>30790225
http://pixelcanvas.io/@-1830,1011
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>>30788918
Typical summerfag behavior thinking a band he doesn't know is hipster…
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Leader of TRF(Bant) here! thanks for all the help!
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>>30790459
Always happy to help a friend
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>>30790618
Thanks
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Something has gone wrong:

a) You place a pixel, but it doesn't show the change unless you refresh the page.
b) It looks like it didn't allow you to place the pixel, but when you try again, it has changed, and an immediate pop-up message tells you to wait.
c) You try to place a pixel, but it won't let you, unless you refresh the page.
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>>30790618
Ponies did nothing wrong.
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>>30772027
Sun Pony butt when
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Where are you working, Anon?
>Megamural @-10K,10K
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>>30792433
Where? I did Rara, some of Dash and the stupid diagonal line across the whole mural.
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>>30792433
Getting started on a new Vinyl for 'Vinyl's fun corner of happiness.' I'm not sure what the group project we're working on is.
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>>30788640
Is this what we're going to be putting in the mural space?
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>>30793740
It's been close to 24 hours now and no spritefriend has offered to touch it up. I'd say just fucking go for it lads, turn this into a template and start laying down pixels. I just want all three murals completed, and it just doesn't seem like anything better will turn up in the foreseeable future.
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>>30794536
*all three rows completed
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I don't see Mount Rushmane listed on the bot
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Alright lads I'm back from vacation and I need to do pixelling. Anyone wanna work on Mt. Rushmare with me?
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>>30795231
it will be there when it is more completed.
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>>30788640
Spritefag here. Yeah fixing this is way above my level of expertise. Lets just make it like this.
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>>30795429
already doing that, going through some 3-minute sections though
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>>30796059
You must be the guy digging through Cyndaquil. I'm helping you out right now.
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>>30796011
ok
http://mlpixel.org/#villains
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>30795429
Joining with you in an hour, lad. I'm on work right now.
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>>30796114
Maybe you can make complementing backgrounds with the sun and the moon transitioning from one picture to the other.
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>>30796155
Only thing is if I made it a connecting background like that it would conflict with the cropped celestia wing and both their manes

Either way it seems like no one wants it anyway
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>>30796114
i like Luna like this.
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>>30796214
Well until we're not deadlocked, it's up in the air.
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>>30796078
I'm getting through Cyndaquil and trying to get a one pixel barrier as well, so it's REAL slow going
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>>30784924
>>30785105
Are we fine with it sitting shoulder to shoulder with the big mac portrait? I think that looks fine and that way we can start right away. We'd just need to relocate the tiny dash.
>>
IRON CROSS NEEDES DEFENDING
"IRON CROSS IS PEACE"
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>>30796829
damn the queers got pretty far this time
is nobody from you monitoring your stuff?
>>
There are about 3-4 queers on the IRON CROSS IS PEACE sign but I seem to be the only one who is defending it. At this rate it will be rainbow'd
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>>30796829
At least make a thread on /bant/
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>>30796882
I asked the captain he said he is at work so most pepole dont nocite until he see somthing, in fact i gtg
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>>30796939
I made one but it seems pixelcanvas is pretty much dead on /bant/
even more dead than /mlp/
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>>30796991
Dunka just has not been making the posts
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>>30796939
Location?
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>suddenly, attack stopped
Watch out, they may have moved somewhere else
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Why you do this
>>
on a scale from 1 to 10 how dead are we?
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>>30797587
?
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>>30797607
Botting pony art
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>>30797601
9.5
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>>30797615
Yeah saw that earlier today as well and thought it looked botted. Makes me sad since I designed her and it'll be disregarded as just more bot art.
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>>30797601
when?
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>>30797695
S-stop
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anyone got the template of this?
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>>30788640
If someone wants to do this you could as well begin with Tirek's head
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>>30797734
head over to /vp/
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>>30797601
well it was obvious this will not last forever and that one day more and more people stop giving a shit
it was fun while it lasted
>>
>page 8
It's all over boys. Pack it up, it was fun while it lasted.
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What will we do with Trixie?
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>>30798878
Let her die. She was never finished, and the asshat who built her did it after we outlined the mural space.
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>>30797587
I guess it wasn't going fast enough for some idiots.
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Giddy up mlpixel ~
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Aryanne's Windmill of Friendship CM has a lightish purple outline around it. I propose we update it accordingly. I stupidly tried to do it myself, but I'm glad to say people are still guarding it strictly.
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>>30799690
No one's going to be in favour of altering it any more than anyone was in favour of altering AJ to smile, just leave it alone.
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>>30798158
>>30798823
>apocalypsefags
Don't you understand? The ride NEVER ends.
Even if there's only 1 anon left, we'll still be pixelfagging as the autistic horsefuckers we are.
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The French. Again.
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>>30797926
> /vp/
> having a Pixelcanvas thread
pick one
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>>30798158
The thread is just reduced to actual pixelcanvas talk now.
If you take a thread from one month ago and remove all the drama from discord and summerfags, it would just be as dead.
>>
So did anyone end up making a timelapse of the Fausticorn mural?
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>>30800458
maybe you should let them add it to mlpixel.org and just use the userscript for defense?
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Just posting a christian nazi pony
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>>30800615
If everything goes smoothly, i.e. I get back from vacation tomorrow to discover my computer ran uninterrupted for the past two weeks, I should be able to conjure one up. And also one for the attack on New Pixelgrad, which was requested two weeks ago.
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>>30801814
/r/ also timelapse of diamondbutt, her ass was erased at least 10 times by someone very retarded, I want to see that battle of autism
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>>30800458
F
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>>30802469
He did a very good job in defending himself... RIP
>>
Can you please die a little faster? We can't wait to finally bulldoze your shit so hurry the fuck up and leave the canvas already
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>>30803323
We die with the canvas
>>
holy shit how dead are we if almost nobody responds to commie bait?
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>>30803385
we have better things to do than respond to retards?
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>>30803422
What are we even working on right now? Only Mount Rushmare? Is nothing else left after that?
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>>30803468
there's the villain mural I believe as well
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>>30803493
we did not decide which one as far as i know
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>>30803468
The villains mural is on mlpixel.org, so there is that, too.
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>>30803522
speaking of, there is still that GIGANTIC mural that is like, 3 million pixels
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>>30803549
That can be done after the mural, but I would love for that to be actually completed.
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>>30803574
It made over 1% progress last week, so there's a chance we can finish it this year
>>
>filling 10s cd pixels
>suddenly, nearly 4 minutes bomb
Finally, i needed to pee
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>>30803715
I don't mind the long cooldowns when I'm expecting them...... It just sucks when it comes out of nowhere.
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>>30804075
THIS.
Fuck, I can even deal with a 3-min pixel wall (I even think they're better to work because of AFKing), but freakin' random landmines in the middle of nowhere drive me nuts.
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>>30803385
summerfags left
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just a nazi pony
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Spritefag here. Sorry I wasn't here today. Half Life 3 news hit me hard. What's going on at the moment? Gonna work on Mt. Rushmare unless we've started something else today.
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>>30804885
how could something that cute ever be evil ~
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>>30804885
Cute!
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>>30804896
Mt.Rushmare, the megamural, the villain mural and ahm...lettuce

Btw. someone has the 1:1 template of lettuce?
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>>30804942
I don't think anyone really cares about the lettuce.
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Minimalism.
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>>30800179
No, that's a retarded way of thinking. There's a few problems with the mural. Aryanne's hoof has an extra gray pixel, and that outline would look good on the cutie mark. The only problem is communication. The owner of the Discord server is on board with the minor changes, and all that needs to be done is to tell the template anons to change it officially.

It's not like we're changing the entire mural like the vandalism attacks a few months ago, it's two minor inaccuracies being fixed. If we could move the entire CM a pixel up and over to make it even with Aryanne, how is making the CM accurate any different?
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um, what's this?
http://pixelcanvas.io/@-9930,10946
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>>30807206
We call it the mega mural. It's going to take forever and a half to complete. A lot of it (the seemingly random pixels within a huge rectangle) is built by bots.
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>>30806272
>the owner of the Discord server
Nobody cares about those tumblr queens. They are not from /mlp/.

You could open pic related in paint, change the few pixels you want to change, and post it.
Then it is easier for the template anons to change it.
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I just came back from vacations, what's up on the canvas?
And, btw bump
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>>30807761
Not much, it's dying out pretty hard. Personally I'm working on Mt. Rushmare, which goes pretty fast thanks to the 10s pixels. Aside from that we've designed a Celestia and a Luna portrait, and there's the Discord/villains mural.
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>>30769380
kek
>Recruiter betrayed the Void after they made an NAP

clovers are such a small faction that void lies are taken for truth. That's not accurate.
Anyways we are rebuilding the big one http://pixelcanvas.io/@1560,1044
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>>30767359
stop using bot you damn f̸a̸g̸g̴e̵t̵,̶c̶u̵n̴t̸,̶r̷e̶t̶a̶r̵d̴,̸d̸i̸c̶k̶s̵u̶c̷k̷e̷r̵
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Well, instead of that bad Esperanto flag, we have an even more horrible cyan mess.
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>>30809921
After we finish the villains mural, this should be our next target
>>30784924
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>>30809960
>Villain mural
Where are we on that, by the way?
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>>30809425
t. Recruiter
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>>30809756
No.
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>>30810015
It's on the template site, but I don't know if anyone is working on it.
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Here, have this vintage early /mlp/ixelcanvas post. Those were the days.
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>thread is 6 days old
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>>30811153
We used to have three threads a day, and that was before commie shitposting invasion
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And the most bizarre use of a bot award goes to the Cory in the House tribute. This 2007-2008 television show garners and average rating of 4.9 on IMDB. I consider anything less than a 7 not worth watching.
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>>30811340
but is fim above 7 ?
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>>30811365
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>>30811340
Whose idea was it to make that thing, anyway?
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>>30811470
a stupid retard from discord, probably
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>>30811340
why's it being attacked already? is the show that bad?
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>>30811529
Refresh your browser?
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>>30811511
You're right. It's those guys from the mlpixel discord. I'm happy for horsefucker1488 to have made something that powerful and built a community around his works, but wow, it has become so much more than exclusively /mlp/. Makes me feel sorry for our threads getting so much less traffic in comparison.
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>>30811543
oh shit yeah it wasn't updating
weird
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Come to think of it, whatever happened to saltfag? Did he join skeletonfag?
everyone is dying fuck make it stop
at least there's always commies
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>>30811903
I think half the commies probably quit when /bant/ pooed on their parade.
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>>30811920
The destruction of Pixelgrad 3.0 was truly the final nail in the coffin

Good riddance honestly
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>>30811903
i'm still here
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Wanted to update the Treehugger template to have a white border. If it could be added to the bots it would be much appreciated.
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4000,2400

Is this commie flag old? or is it Pixelgrad 4.0?
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>>30809921
I just noticed that Lyra is mostly cyan and so is a bit of Bon Bon. If they break too far south I'll work on containing them.
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>>30812253
>turks
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>>30812221
There are dozens of half-done "Pixelgrads" all over the canvas. It's easier to assume it's abandoned.
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Someone working on something right now?
I'm just placing pixels at random in the megamural right now.
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A couple thousand left on Rushmare.
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>>30811920
>>30811928
There's still at least one autistic enough to keep repairing the "read marx" and "workers unite" pieces every time they get vandalized.
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>>30814960
Well, he's not building a flag and he's not splitting on someone else's work, so I don't care.
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>>30814960
>>30815460
I wanted to check something about him, so I changed 'Read Marx' into 'Dont read Marx' and as I predicted, he appeared and started to push back. I've been studying his behavior for two hours and now I'm pretty sure it's the same faggot who kept erasing Rarity butt while she was being build. It's exactly the same pattern as I described here >>30736551, first pixels were placed manually, then when he couldn't keep up he set up a bot, or at least started to behave like one. So I say, fuck him and his sick commie propaganda.
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>>30816049
>sick commie propaganda
because your fascist/capitalist one is so much better
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>>30816066
commie pls
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>>30816090
>supporting system that would gladly exterminate you
wew...
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>>30811340
Cory in the House is the best Anime and it deserves a tribute right between other Anime and Pokemon.
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>>30816066
So our "sick" """propaganda""" on the canvas somehow justifies your sick propaganda on the canvas? Is that what you're saying?
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>>30816111
>supporting system that would gladly exterminate you
The irony of this statement is not lost.
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>>30816223
ask yourself that
>>30816237
>meme picture
even /pol/ would laugh at you
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>>30816278
It may be a meme, but it's not wrong, Ivan.
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>>30816294
ony a complete ignorant who doesn't know a single thing about communism would post that. even the most fanatic /pol/tards who despise communism realize that much
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>>30816305
>I-It's not true communism!
Every single time. Well, you wouldn't be a communist if you had the capacity to learn. I hope you try to erase Aryanne again, I'm just itching for a chance to defend her place on the canvas again.
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>>30816305
i love the
> you just don't know REAL Communism
logical fallacy.
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>>30816278
Note that I put "sick" and """propaganda""" in quotemarks, as they're not meant to be taken as "sick" """propaganda""", but rather ironical inside jokes.
But a "Read Marx" written by one person, however, isn't adressing any joke to anyone. So my question is still unanswered.
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>>30816305

>Soviet Union falls apart because they believe the stock market has a 'I win' button.
NOT REAL COMMUNISM
>China is only alive because they've gone Capitalist except for their poor people who can die in a fire
CHINA IS STILL A COMMUNIST STATE GUYS
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>>30816318
Not in this discussion, but...
>COMMUNIST
>STATE
Choose one.
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OK, so thread has...
>91 posters
>7 days up
>One of our biggest projects finished
>Third portrait row and mural row in progress to be finished
But, for whatever reasons, we're still with less than 450 posts, at a speed of 1 post per hour, and with no visible deadline to reach the bump limit.
Even when we seem to be on our best moment, with all of the factions friendly to us, our main 'antagonist' faction dead, top perks like the mlpixel.org and the Userscript, and at peak of our gloriousness... We're still lacking of a boost to join together and make something new, cool and worthy. And I seriously can't see why.
Lacking of (good) spriters wasn't an obstacle back in the days. We just toke most of our first line portraits from a DeviantArt account. And now we have a really nice spriting guide to learn ourselves.
Time could be a problem for the schoolfags and workfags, but even on weekends this things looks dead.
Motivation and "obsolescence" would also explain some of our apocalypsefags, but not our based autists getting off the wagon.

Personally, my main concern would be the slowing deviation from our pixel ethics. It is, we used to work collaboratively, in projects discussed and decided by consensual agreement. We used to build with no help from bots (other than for defense purposes). We used to don't give a shit about pixel politics out of our area, and don't fuck with others' workspaces. We used to have sane fun together. But now it seems like community, building effort and respect doesn't mean anything to anyone. People build individually made templates, with minimum to no dicussion or consensus; use bots indistinctly to build (megamural and 420 Tree Hugger) and defend, and prefer to banter out of our workspace instead of dedicating their precious pixels/time on anything rather than pony stuff.

Maybe I'm failing to see something here, but couldn't getting back to our roots help us to be more active and interested again?
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>>30816308
no, i can easily win this argument with a simple example but then, acording to Lacan, you can't change someone's core belief. he/she has to do it on his/her own
>>30816310
>>30816318
>communism was tried
>fucking
>ever
no seriously. read a book
>>30816313
>Marx
you tried
>>30816315
okay, okay, so tell me why exactly reading a book is propaganda? or maybe you mean the other obvious commie jokes, you somehow missed?
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>>30816329
Like, really using this threads to DISCUSS about PIXEL PONIES plans and projects, instead of doomsday posting and """commies""" baiting, maybe?
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>>30816323
Explain how you will redestribute property without a governing body.
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>>30816330
> i can easily win this argument
> but i just don't want to
> i am just pretending to be pathetic
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>>30816330
>okay, okay, so tell me why exactly reading a book is propaganda?
I dunno, why don't you read "Mein Kampf"? It's a good book.
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>>30816336
what are you currently working on?
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>>30816339
will you admit your massive faggotry and apologize if i do?
no, of course you won't
>>30816343
and who said i didnt?
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>>30816330
Get in the helicopter you god damned commie.
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>>30816330
>why exactly reading a book is propaganda
You're not telling people to read a book. You're telling people to read another person's whole work (Marx wrote a lot of stuff, not just books). And you know perfectly this guy has a political oriented phylosophy, so when you unironically tell someone to read his work (in a non-academic enviroment), you're making propaganda.
Not that making propaganda is bad, but it isn't creative or funny, and it surely isn't a justification to build it on the canvas.
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>>30816352
and? do you take any book/work for an absolute fact or is it just a food for thought?
nobody becomes more stupid from reading books
and for the record: i don't agree with Marx
>but it isn't creative or funny, and it surely isn't a justification to build it on the canvas.
back at you. why all the capitalist/nazi stuff? to be edgy or something?
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>>30816338
Communism isn't about redistributing property (that sounds more like a socialdemocratic thing). It's about leading to a classless, stateless society (by whichever mean people believes it's the best, like seizing the means of production in the case of Marxist interpretation). A government isn't necesarily needed to seize these means of production, anyways: anarcho-syndicalism and other anarcho-collectivist movements show how it can be done with no hierarchical opressing structures.
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>>30816345
>>30813945
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>>30816352
>You're telling people to read another person's whole work
If i spend a few years on digging a hole with a shovel, and then decide to fill it up again, then this was also lots of work. But it was still useless and stupid.
The same is the case for the NEET Karl Marx who never worked in his whole life and never contributed anything to society.
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>>30816368
> leading to a classless, stateless society, seizing the means of production
> without redistributing property

So if you go to some mechanic and tell him that he should repair your car … in a Communist society he would just do it for free, because he is a nice guy and everybody else is giving him shit for free too.
But as soon as one guy is telling you:
> fuck you, if you want me to give you something, you have to give me something in return
This whole thing is immediately falling apart. Or how will you force him to work for you for free without government?
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>>30816362
>nobody becomes more stupid from reading books
I could agree or disagree on this one, depending if "Twilight" and "50 Shades of Grey" readers were dumb as fuck before or after they started reading them.
>for the record: i don't agree with Marx
That makes your autistic defense of that sign even more autistic.
Why do you do it, then?
>why all the capitalist/nazi stuff? to be edgy or something?
I already told you: they're ironical inside jokes from here and /mlpol/. They're not for the outside viewers to please, but ourselves. You won't understand them if you're not into 4chan culture.
And for the record, I'm a communist. Like, a REAL one. But I've been helping here for months, defending all these art pieces, and I'll still commited to do it.
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>>30816362
>why all the capitalist/nazi stuff? to be edgy or something?
To trigger you.
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>>30816368
Thanks for the honest answer. But it's impossible to create a classless society without a powerful body enforcing it. People are different in many practical aspects and are inherently selfish to a small or large degree so wealth and power will always be structurized.

I'll have to do some reading on Marx and Lenin to understand how they wanted to create communism according to the definition you gave and yet succeeded to create such authoritarian states. "Seizing the means of production" won't in and of itself guarantee that everyone will be treated fairly and equally.
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>>30816405
>That makes your autistic defense of that sign even more autistic.
nice assumption but i never placed a pixel in its defense
mind = blown
>they're ironical inside jokes from here and /mlpol/
Poe's law
>And for the record, I'm a communist. Like, a REAL one
and i'm not a communist. and i've been helping as well. and i see what kind of people come here and why this general became the worst shithole on the board
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>>30816378
If you ever read something from him instead of just believing every ebin /pol/ bluepill you take, maybe you could understand why this NEET (he studied, however, and his writtings could be seen as unpaid work) is still relevant to Sociology, Political Science, Anthropology, Economy and a lot of other social sciences up to this century.

>>30816404
You're still implying that private property of the means of production exists in your example. In communism there's not "give you/me something": you work as long as you can, and you get as long as you need.
Also, maybe he could do it not because he's a nice guy, but because he LOVES what he does and is willing to do it freely as long as he makes it voluntarily and not because he needs to do it for surviving.
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>>30816446
Read Mein Kampf.
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>>30816446
>You're still implying that private property of the means of production exists in your example.
So skills and abilities are "private property" now and we have to abandon them?
> not because he's a nice guy, but because he LOVES what he does
Nice, i am totally sure that there are many people who love to clean toilets.
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>>30816480
>Nice, i am totally sure that there are many people who love to clean toilets.
you'd be surprised
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>>30816488
I personally love to sleep and to do nothing.
Can i be part of your Communist society and will you give me your services for free? I don't even want to clean my house... so can i just call someone who loves to clean other peoples shit to do it for me?
And how does prostitution work in Communism? If i need sex and some girl can provide me sex, will she do it for free?
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>>30816438
About your first statement, my interpretation of communism and human nature in general doesn't see any contradiction in people being individual, diverse and different ("inherently selfish" could be really discussed, though), and live with no rulers and no social classes. Ethics, education and civil culture are the only things we need to live in society and not kill ourselves.

About your second statement, let me spoil you something: Marx didn't wrote anything about how communism should (or would) be achieved. Lenin just filled the blanks Marx left to create a totally new ideology, Marxism-Leninism, that even if it's a majoritarian view of Marxism (because, well, it was the most succesful "Marxist"-oriented revolution in the last century), it's not the only one or the most close to Marx's real viewpoint.
And you're right, seizing the means of production doesn't mean we'll live in the utopic heaven in Earth, and it's not supposed to mean that; dialectical materialist interpretation of history just see the stateless, classless society as the ultimate goal of human development. However, Marxist authors over the time like Gramsci or the Frankfurt school, showed us than materialist development doesn't mean other kinds of oppresing structures in other issues, like gender or race, would be over.
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>>30816049
Just noticed that this fag got so pissed he pulled another device to remove the "dont", and this time he's obviously doing this manually. Well, now you know how it feels, faggot.
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How does justice even work in a stateless communist system? Say someone has found out I'm stashing rare medication and trade it for services or other rare stuff that I like, who's going to punish me for becoming powerful? An angry mob?
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>>30816511
lets change "Das Kapital" to "Mein Kampf"
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>>30816499
>and to do nothing.
not a communism
>I don't even want to clean my house...
nobody stops you to live in literal garbage in capitalism
>And how does prostitution work in Communism?
you can find plenty of sluts already, don't worry
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>>30816511
>lelelel i grief u. u mad?
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>>30816513
>>30816522
Meh, I didn't actually want to grief him, just wanted to piss him off, which I did. Not like he didn't deserve it.
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>>30816524
>Meh, I didn't actually want to grief him
you literally can't do it in any other way than griefing
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>>30816516
>you can find plenty of sluts already, don't worry
Then why does prostitution exist in capitalist societies, if you can just find people doing it for free?
> not a communism
So i can't just do nothing in Communism? But who is going to punish me if i decide to do nothing and be a useless NEET? Is this the reason why Karl Marx was talking about Holocaust, because all useless people have to die?
> nobody stops you to live in literal garbage in capitalism
So there are no benefits in Communism? And if nobody wants to do shit for me, i have to do it myself... or if i am not able to do it, i have to live with it not being done.
This will be a little bit unfortunate if my car is broken at 4 AM or the sewer in my house is faulty and the whole house if full of shit.
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>>30816531
I almost missed you
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>>30816480
>So skills and abilities are "private property" now and we have to abandon them?
No, but car workshops and work tools are, and they belong to the collective, not to one person.
>Nice, i am totally sure that there are many people who love to clean toilets.
Who even needs to to such things in our era. Don't you even heard about automation?

>>30816499
>I personally love to sleep and to do nothing.
Maybe you think you "love" it, but believe me when I say you than making that for ~6 months to ~2 years will drive you nuts.
People are naturally oriented to work on something, to create things. The best example is what we do here: even If in our society some things like making virtual art, spriting or scripting pixel bots don't pay off, in a communist society you would be free to do it because the society guarantee you won't be dead as long as people do what they love, it is creating robots and/or software (to do shitty jobs and improve our lives), helping other people with stuff, or getting raw materials from nature.
>Can i be part of your Communist society and will you give me your services for free?
If I love what I do, and I do it by free will, I don't even care who I'm helping for as long as I'm free to do it (and do it MY way, of course).
>And how does prostitution work in Communism? If i need sex and some girl can provide me sex, will she do it for free?
If she wants to have sex with you, sure. But probably getting a robo-waifu would just work better.
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>>30816512
In the theory of Communism, there are no bad people... you don't need justice and punishments, because every single person is a nice guy and nobody does anything bad.

If there is nobody committing crimes, then you don't need jails and courts and shit.

> tfw. even Ancaps have a more realistic political system then you
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>>30816535
>Then why does prostitution exist in capitalist societies
quick money, nothing else
>So i can't just do nothing in Communism?
do you know a single thing about communism? no? then maybe read something. don't expect everyone to spoonfeed you
>So there are no benefits in Communism?
>benefits
that's a key word
also you're not garbage like you are now without money
no wait, your internal organs are worth soemthing
also your post is based on capitalistic mentality that people won't do shit for nothing. people do and people will do things for free. in fact they do this already
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>>30816512
How (and why) would you be stashing rare medication in the first place?
How would you "trade" it if there's no private ownership of means of production?
And why would you need a punishment system in an ethical-fuctioning society where people agree that what you do isn't good and that noperson should (and would) do it?
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>>30816551
well, real true communism is an utopia. meant for some higher level of existence, way beyond the primitive homo sapiens. but the point is to try to achieve it but never really get there
like scientists who want to reach perfection but never actually do it because there's nothing beyond that. no more room for improvement
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>>30816553
>quick money, nothing else
Who would pay for a hooker if there are sluts around who would fuck you for free?
> do you know a single thing about communism? no? then maybe read something. don't expect everyone to spoonfeed you
Answer my question: What happens with people who don't contribute anything? And what happens with people who want something in return for their services?
> also you're not garbage like you are now without money
But people who are without money in Capitalism are people who would be pretty much worthless in a Communist society, because they have no skills to provide anything. They would be NEETs. And according to Karl Marx, they would have to die.
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>>30816564
> i know that it is impossible to reach it
> lets try to reach it anyway, even thought that every single time when someone tried it, it ended with millions of starving people

> meant for some higher level of existence
Yeah, some "higher level of existence" who doesn't need food. If you wouldn't need food to exist and if you wouldn't need services from other people, Communism would work.
But sadly people die if they have no food.
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>>30816568
>Who would pay for a hooker if there are sluts around who would fuck you for free?
a moron. there's plenty of them around
>What happens with people who don't contribute anything?
and why would you not want to contribute? you can't just do absolutely nothing, your psyche wouldn't survive that
>And what happens with people who want something in return for their services?
again: capitalistic mindset. you get everything you need, why demand things further?
>because they have no skills to provide anything
i'm 100% sure that everyone can do something. the things is to let them do whatever best they can. "from each according to his ability"
>And according to Karl Marx
again: i don't agree with Marx. stop moving the goalposts
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>>30816563
>How would you "trade" it if there's no private ownership of means of production?
Thats simple:
1. Go to someone who needs it and would die without it
2. Tell him that he has to do what you say, in order to get it
3. Have power over lots of people and make them your personal slaves
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>>30816510
How basic do you think selfishness needs to be proved? If you let a monkey choose between one or two grapes, he'll pick two. If he needs to choose between pulling one or two levers for a grape, he'll always choose the pulling one. Even if you manage to create an absolutely altruistic and selfless society at one point in time, structures will come back through even the smallest cases of selfishness and laziness. Moreover, nobody in their right mind will take on a shitty but essential job if he doesn't get a nice compensation for it. Heck, even primitive social interactions will cause power structures. Chad will always find some betas to take the work load off him and his girlfriend Stacy.

I'm pretty sure Marx has written about the necessity of a bloody revolt by the proletariat to achieve communism, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I've got no further comments about the apparent desirability of such a society. I've already explain how it's impossible, and its historical chaotic consequences don't make it sound lovely, so no need to discuss the theoretical perks.
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>>30816588
>1. Go to someone who needs it and would die without it
>2. realize that he gets it for free already and doesn't need yours to live
>3. can't be an asshole
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>>30816573
communism could work with a computer managing everything tho
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>>30816586
>a moron. there's plenty of them around
Prostitution is the oldest profession in human history. Even in the stone age, at times when you could just take every women who was weaker than you, trading sex for goods was a thing.
> and why would you not want to contribute?
Why should i? Who is forcing me to do it?
> you can't just do absolutely nothing
i can play video games the whole day
> again: capitalistic mindset. you get everything you need, why demand things further?
Why not more? If i can provide something someone needs, i can make him my personal slave… remember: no government.
Without government, i have total power over people who need my service. And if there is some other person who is able to do what i do, then he will probably see that i gain in power by demanding something, and therefore he won't just kill my business by providing his services for free… he will just be "cheaper" and force me to be cheaper. And so Communism falls apart and we are in Capitalism.
> i'm 100% sure that everyone can do something
then why do NEETs exist?
If someone can't get a job, then the reason is because he doesn't want to or because nobody needs his skills or because he is just useless.
> again: i don't agree with Marx. stop moving the goalposts
So what is your opinion? What is your theory of Communism which is better than Marx and which would work? Maybe you should write a book about it. Because Communism got tried at least 100 times and failed every single time, your knowledge of the ultimate achievable form of Communism would be needed.
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>>30816594
>realize that he gets it for free already
And this is where you are wrong.
Especially with medications it is not so easy to just "copy" it.
You are implying that there will be some other person who is able to do it and will do it for free. But this will just not be the case, if the guy who knows how to make it just doesn't provide anyone with his knowledge.

You just need some skill that people need and just one in 50.000 people have and you are the king and you can demand things.
And without government, nobody can force you to give your shit away for free.
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>>30816600
So who is the guy who wrote the code for this Computer Government?
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>>30816589
I know that humans are kind of selfish and impulsive, yeah, but they are also solidary and rational, and capable of empathy to their fellows in need. These things are what makes us different from animals. Working on these traits, developing them as individuals, will lead to a development of our society as a whole.
We could still have some kind of basic rules or "constitutions", though. Just not ones impossed by superior hierachies, but by ourselves organised in a (digital) direct democratic self-government, and with no restrictions to individual liberty (as long as it doesn't harm any other person or the society as a whole).

Marx talked about violent revolution to take over the power and seize the means of production, but not about how the "dictatorship of the proletariat" (or socialist state) phase would work. Also, you need to read Marx on the proper context of mid 19th century, when either absolute monarchies or cencitarian republics were the trend (this means, no way for the working class to express politically without violence).
Finally, while you say it's 'impossible' to get a Communist society, I say it's not only possible, but is unavoidable, and we'll eventually get there even if we don't want to, as capitalist inherent contradictions will lead to it (either as a gradual democratic process, or a violent disrupt in status-quo).
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>>30816594
What happens in a Communist society if i decide to kill my neighbour because i don't like him?

Will his relatives kill me, and therefore it would lead to AnPrim, where the strongest survive?
Or would there be something like an ethical stance that aggression is inherently illegitimate and that every individual can defend themselves? Which would mean that it would end with Ancap?
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>>30816563
I'll work out my scenario a bit further. I'm a doctor in medicine who oversees a factory that makes some kind of medicine. This medicine uses rare earthly resources and takes a lot of time to make, which is what makes it so rare. During lunchtime I snag a few pills because, even though I'm a communist who sees everyone as equal, I've got an ill sister who desperately need the medicine but can't get their hands on it through usual means. (In another scenario I can also be an accountant who whitewashes some pills without possibly being found out.) Wouldn't you have done the same?

My favourite restaurant is always full because it is so popular. However the chef (someone has to run the place; he gets no further benefits from it however) has a deadly sick father who lets me eat there whenever I want if I just gave him some pills so she would live. I can even make an agreement with him that my brother, who is a sewage worker (who hates his job but is selected to do it because someone has to) can get a job in his restaurant. The more people I can strike deals with, the better I can make the lives of myself and the people I love.

Unless you are in an era of post-scarcity, there is a notion of value to certain things, and conventional economic laws will take over. An "ethical-functioning society" doesn't exist. People always have inherent biases and preferences.
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>We could still have some kind of basic rules or "constitutions", though. Just not ones impossed by superior hierachies, but by ourselves organised in a (digital) direct democratic self-government, and with no restrictions to individual liberty
So.... Ancap?
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>>30816678
Ancap doesn't accept any kind of rule that limits its actions, and interpret the private property (of the means of production) as an individual liberty when it's not.
They're also willing to accept monetary systems, hierarchical structures and violence when it's on behalf to protect their private property.
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> tfw every try to "implement" things to make AnCom possible is just converting them to one of the other (possible but maybe not very successful) Anarcho systems.
If you take basic human needs or the fact that not everyone is a nice guy into account and "change" your Communism in order to deal with this, it will end up as AnPrim or AnCap or you have to implement a government.
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>>30816692
>Ancap doesn't accept any kind of rule that limits its actions
Maybe you should read about the NAP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle
You are free to do everything as long as you are don't harm other people. It is exactly what you proposed for your Communist society.
> willing to accept monetary systems
it is a society without government... how are you going prevent people from implementing a monetary system, if you have no government? Because that a monetary system has many benefits for people who can provide something not many people can provide, is obvious.
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>>30816667
Humanity's social tendencies are indeed great, they give us a lot of liberty that we couldn't otherwise affort. But it's utterly impossible for us to get into a system where people are so kind that a justice system is unneeded. I would never trust anyone that says you don't need your your individualist rights enforced by law. These states of life breed the vilest forms of corruption, e.g. things that weren't "real communism". It's no coincidence it fails all the time.

The idea of a publicly organized crime system is just too foolish, I don't even know where to start. All of the things you suggest are unstable and contradictory (unless you believe you already live in the perfect society, in which this discussion is redundant to begin with). Just read any basic philosophical book on the topic. Please, get real, literally.

btw let's keep the discussion in this thread, I don't want these threads to become Communism Discussion General.
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>>30816676
Your scenarios have some of flaws, let me enlight some of them to you:

>I'm a doctor in medicine who oversees a factory that makes some kind of medicine.
Such factory is a mean of production, thus it's owned by the collectivity (but managed byyou because your knowledge makes you worthy to the community to administrate their collective resources). Its inputs are provided by the collectivity. Its outputs are owned by the collectivity.
>I've got an ill sister who desperately need the medicine
If she needs it, she'll have it provided. Communist preach for giving "to each according their need".
>Wouldn't you have done the same?
In that case, you're not 'stealing'. The medicine is used for what it was made: to help ill people. You're not taking any unfair advantage of your possession of the pill, other than providing it to someone related to you instead of some random ill (that will be provided with it anyways).

>My favourite restaurant is always full because it is so popular. However the chef (someone has to run the place; he gets no further benefits from it however) [...]
Such restaurant is a mean of production, thus it's owned by the collectivity (but managed by the chef because his skill makes him worthy to the community to administrate their collective resources). Its inputs are provided by the collectivity. Its outputs are owned by the collectivity.
>lets me eat there whenever I want if I just gave him some pills so she would live
The collectivity has to organise and administrate their resources, skills, knowledge and free will in order to make everything people need to be provided.
That means sick people shouldn't be left behind because of scarcity.
>my brother, who is a sewage worker (who hates his job but is selected to do it because someone has to)
In a communist society, your brother would work in what he loves to do, as it's implied there would be people who either loves to plumber, or to make plumbering algorythms for automated robots.
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>>30816676
>>30816744
>Unless you are in an era of post-scarcity, there is a notion of value to certain things, and conventional economic laws will take over.
The idea is to get eventually to an era of post-scarcity just before the collapse of the actual system. And thanks to the capitalist phase of human development, we're leading to such era. That's why such fase is needed before a communist, but some """commies""" don't understand that.
>An "ethical-functioning society" doesn't exist. People always have inherent biases and preferences.
Read the first paragraph in this >>30816667.
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>>30816705
NAP would need to be enforced or it's worthless. It's more of a libertarian thing. It's as foolish to think an ancap society will magically respect the NAP as it is to think a communist society will be perfectly altruistic. (At least violating NAP is the only way to be wrong in an ancap society, but that doesn't make it less of an instable system; it will turn into a tyranny just as quick if not quicker.)
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>>30816693
There are two corners in the political compass that are totally impossible by definition.

One is the Anarcho-Communism corner, because forcing everyone to give his shit away for free without government is just not possible. Even the Commie here wants some Computer government or voting system (and therefore he is not an Anarchist). Lets say that a house in some nice area gets available and 10 people want it — who decides who gets it? AnCom fails at the most simple questions.

The other impossible corner is the Authoritarian, Economic Right corner, because Free Market Capitalism can't work with an government which is controlling everything. That's mutually exclusive.
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>It's as foolish to think an ancap society will magically respect the NAP
In an Ancap society, everybody who is violating the NAP will get killed.
It is based on the believe that people will accept the NAP, because it is beneficial to all of them… and actually, it is.
And if someone doesn't believe in the NAP, the society just needs more people believing into it to force them to accept it. Because they would die if they won't.

The NAP is not something complicated or something that needs some contracts. It just means: If you don't attack me, i won't attack you.
I don't need the other person to agree or sign anything in order to make this happen.

Ancap is the only possible Anarchism. This doesn't mean that an Ancap society will be very successful and it doesn't mean that it will be good for everyone… it just means that it is possible.
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>>30816744
>Such factory
It's realistic to say the factory employs 1000 people (they produce more than just this specific medicine) and produces at a rate of ~20 pills per month. How can such discrete output be shared not just among the 1000 workers, but among society as a whole? The demand beats supply, there must be a "bread line" for this kind of of product which is the scenario I imposed.

>If she needs it
I've specifically stated that the medicine is too rare to supply to everyone. Not sure if you like "not real communism" examples but Cuba has a flourishing black market for antibiotics.

>In that case, you're not 'stealing'.
Again this would depend on the way you distribute the product. If the method is "first come, first serve", that would put me in a very privileged position since I would be able to just take all of them and provide them to exactly the people I want them provided to. If there is a waiting line, I'm violating the rules in the way I explained earlier.

>Such restaurant
Again: the supply of service is scarce. First come, first serve, a waiting line, or some third system?

>The collectivity has to organise
"Well, screw what the collectivity thinks."

>In a communist society, your brother
You just said that the collectivity has to administrate the resources. Labour is a resource. But alas, there would be no sewage workers then. The guy's brother is just going to join the already oversaturated population of 5-star chefs who serve no practical contribution towards society while the streets are overflowing in dirty water.
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>>30816693
Basic human needs are covered in Communism. "To each according its ability, to each according its need".
"Being nice" isn't a requirement to have ethics, education, civil culture, common sense and a minimum empathy to your fellows (believe me, I know douches with a really high moral code).

>>30816705
NAP is a self-imposed limit, that will go into the "ethical-functioning society" part. Also, a lot of of AnCap's principles are also included in the AnCom perspective, but unlike AnCaps, they don't include private property as part of the "ownership of yourself".
> willing to accept monetary systems
They don't have any meaning in a stateless society. Who's giving objective value to the currency? Who protects the private property? Who asure you I can't get for free in the collective/societal 'market' what you're offering me?

>>30816722
>First statement
I'm the kind of person who believes than in the purest freedom and equality state of human nature, it's irrational, illogical and blindly stupid to think that someone (in plein use of its mental and physical abilities) would want to harm another fellow somehow. It just doesn't make any sense to me, as it doesn't make any sense to you the against. They're just two different anthropological viewpoints, and as long as we're still living in the capitalist phase of human development, it doesn't matter who's right or who's wrong. But we'll eventually get to that inevitable communist phase, we like it or not.
There actually were anarcho-communist comunes that worked really well (before being destroyed by bolshevisk's Red Army).
>The idea of a publicly organized crime system is just too foolish, I don't even know where to start.
Well, our crime systems ARE currently publicy organized, sort of.
>let's keep the discussion in this thread, I don't want these threads to become Communism Discussion General.
Deal, neither do I.
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>>30816794
Do I need to pull out the ancapball memes where you nuke your neighbors because they were playing their music to hard? The exact definion of "aggression" is so subjective, situational and exploitable that it's impossible to properly invoke it and it can only be used as an overarching guideline for a much elaborate and nuanced criminal system. What if I don't have the means to kill the person who has violated my NAP? Or maybe I do, but he killed me pre-emptively so it's not a big deal to him that he violated it.

>Ancap is the only possible Anarchism.
For what it's worth, this is true, albeit a very shortlived anarchy.
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>>30816838
>How can such discrete output be shared not just among the 1000 workers, but among society as a whole?
Because there are more people in need than it is possible to produce? Resources aren't unlimited and sometimes current technology just doesn't allow any higher output.
Or maybe it just got discovered, and production has just started?
You know.... humanity is always inventing new things... this is not some impossible case.
Especially in an "real" Communist society, where everybody just works for fun and not because he has to, this will be the case. There will be many goods where the demand is higher than what society produces.
This happened in the UdSSR many many times. You want a car? Put your name on the list, in 20 years you will get one. And this was not AnarchoCommunism.
If i am a guy in the factory who can put someone on top of the list... i have power... i can be corrupt...

Maybe this will make it clear for you why the Commie countries all have some massive problems with corruption.
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>>30816862
>Basic human needs are covered in Communism.
Tell this to the 100 million people that starved.
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>>30816883
>Do I need to pull out the ancapball memes where you nuke your neighbors because they were playing their music to hard?
You can, there are many good Ancap memes.

I never said that it is some ideal form of society or that it would be fair.
I just said that it is possible… while Anarcho Communism is completely impossible and totally retarded.
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>>30816862
It's kind of the issue with privacy, you know. So many people say "if you've got nothing to hide, you don't need it" and "I would never betray you so you don't have to be secretive". Even if you are a perfectly kind person, for whom the rules that be don't need to exist even in exceptionally absurd cases, this isn't the case for society as large. Fact is: bad people exists, and we need to account for that. Don't let this be something you'll find out when the blood is already on your hands.
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>>30816862
>Monetary systems don't have any meaning in a stateless societ
If you have something of value and want to give it to someone else (but you want at least a little bit of profit, because you worked hard for it and if you don't get anything, you will just keep it), then you probably want something in return that has value for you.
BUT maybe you currently don't need it? Or maybe the value of the thing you shared is just so high that it would be impossible to share it for 100.000 apples (and the guy who wants to have it just has apples).

So it will happen that someone just starts to share for an small rare thing which just has value because people accept it as valuable.... like... gold.
And baaammm.... you have money, but no government.
If someone doesn't accept the "money", he is excluded from lots of deals. So there is no reason for someone to not accept it.
Of course there can't be something like paper-money, which just has value because of government. But there will be something like a gold based currency.
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>>30816937
We don't need this whole discussion, because:
>Fact is: bad people exists
is already enough to BTFO any Anarcho Communist.

The Commie here in this thread first wanted to implement some Computer government and then started to want an NAP in his Communist society.
So he is already pretty far away from his Anarcho Communism.
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>>30816762
>>30816794
Ancap isn't the only possible Anarchism (to some anarchists, isn't even real anarchism) for a variety of reasons (some of them alrady explained here). But you're not probably change your mindset for some arguments a random dude spills to you on 4chan, so it just don't worth the textwall anyways. I'd suggest, instead, to read Piotr Kropotkin, Mijail Bakunin and other anarchist works.

>>30816838
>>Such factory
>>If she needs it
A realistic case would be a factory that employs ~200 skilled chemical engineers and 10-20 software engineers to automate the production process. The production rate is also pretty low, considering that medicine scarcity in our capitalist society is more due to intellectual private property (patents and copyright laws) creating virtual scarcity, rather than a real shortage of raw materials (because medical plants in real life are really, REALLY common on tropical countries like mine).
>>In that case, you're not 'stealing'.
I can agree on you with that, but doesn't disregard the fact that the pill is actually fulfilling its function instead of being used as a mean to obtain surplus value and accumulate capital. That it's not fair, could be true, but that'll go more over an ethical analysis rather than an economic one.
>>Such restaurant
Post-scarce economy (though, I don't think 5-star chefs are that uncommon, even in our scarce society).
>>In a communist society, your brother
Labour is only taken as a resource on capitalists phase of human development; in communism, is a right (the freedom to work in what you want, and the warranty to not be limited in what you can/can't work). 5-star chefs serve to society in providing (exquisite) food; it's not practical, but it's something a lot of people appreciate. And automated sewing services will avoid the dirty water escenario.
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>>30816885
>Resources aren't unlimited
Yes they are. This is the scenario I made up, so I set the conditions, which are not at all unrealistic. Even if it isn't a material resource, it may be labour. I'd like to know right now which of the two is preferable: getting to choose your own occupation or maximizing labour supply all across the board (note that "all across the board" still means possible deficits in specific places).

Now I'm not sure if you are just arguing for some futuristic post-scarcity communism that may indeed be a desirable system, or you think it's already a good idea to become communists and you just accept some of the horrible consequences while denying others. Either way, I'm kind of running out of things to say. I think I've made most of the points I wanted to make. I'll see if I can get myself some free time to read some communist dissertations, if only not to get caught in endless discussions about petty issues.
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>>30816991
>to some anarchists, isn't even real anarchism
Yeah… we all know the people who say this… they are all retarded Anarcho Communists who believe in a world where everyone is perfect, nobody needs food and for every service you need, there will be some person doing it just for fun, because he wants to do it.
Anarchism mean: No government.
Not more. So everybody who claims that Ancap is not anarchism is just a complete retard who doesn't know anything about his own political ideology.
>for a variety of reasons (some of them alrady explained here)
Really? Where?
Is there a government in Ancap? No? Then it is anarchism.
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>>30816970
Just to clearify, the "Computer government" was another commie (or should I say """commie"""?). The one who was defending the "Read Marx" on th canvas, and still saying he's not Marxist.
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>>30817016
Why do you ignore everything else from the post?
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>>30817029
> not being a Marxist
> defending "Read Marx" on the canvas
> wanting a government
Really makes you think.
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>>30817034
i like it how the discussion is now about which argument against Communism is the best one and if Ancap is possible (but we all agree that it is more sustainable then Anarcho Communism).

Commies got BTFO so hard that we are now arguing about this.
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>>30816958
You're still missing the point...
Private property only exists because the State protect its existence as a "right". In a stateless society, "you have" and "you want to give" doesn't have any sense at all.
The only way it could exist is like an AnPrim view of "rule of the fittest", which is the ultimate degenacy of what an AnCap society would be (according to this guy here >>30816883).

>>30817024
>Is there a government in Ancap? No? Then it is anarchism.
But somehow there is still private property without a government. The only plaussible explaination: coercion.
So, is there coercion in Ancap? Yes? Then it is not anarchism (according to them).
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>>30817034
Because the first half is you trying to find alternative ways and the second half is an admission to the problem of collective property in a non-post scarcity society, so I have nothing to say about that.

Anway, our two conversations have homed in on the same points: you believe in a post-scarcity communism that has practically little to do with any historical implementation of the system because the most basic premises have been altered. I'd like to believe that, if this is really your stance, you'd acknowledge the terrible failures of said historical implementations and disagree with the people that still try to implement communism in its current premature state. But due to your earlier comments on the ethics of humans and the necessity of justice systems, I'm not sure just how close you are to them.

(Just once more I'd like to state that I have no fucking idea how humanity is doing in a 1000 years and whether or not post-scarcity communism will actually work is not something that I dare to judge. Computers are only ~70 years old, anything can happen, for better or worse)
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>>30817078
>Private property only exists because the State protect its existence as a "right"
Why shouldn't i be able to protect it myself?
> In a stateless society, "you have" and "you want to give" doesn't have any sense at all.
I have made something and i claim that the thing i made is mine, doesn't make sense without government?
What about a service or a skill i have, but not many people else have? Is what i learned, what i can do and what i know not "my property"? Don't you understand that people don't just share goods... they also share services?

You are pretty hard at dick riding governments now.
This is a strange thing to hear from an Anarcho Communist who thinks that you can force people to do shit for free is possible without government?
Or am i mistaking you now and you are not one of the Commies?
> But somehow there is still private property without a government.
Why shouldn't i have knowledge and skills without a government?
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>>30817102
People will still need food in a 1000 years.
So communism won't work.
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Why here?
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>>30817127
>People will still need food in a 1000 years.
People will also need roads, so ancap won't work either
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>>30817127
Someone will invent blood sugar quantum microfilters in 650 years, mark my words.
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> not having a helicopter
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>>30817143
>needing to go to places
bitch, I have heroin for that
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>>30817112
>Why shouldn't i be able to protect it myself?
You could also steal someone else's property (because he's more weak and defenceless than you) and claim it as your own, or viceversa. Does that sound like a "protected" right?

>I have made something and i claim that the thing i made is mine, doesn't make sense without government?
That depends on where did you get the raw materials and the tools for making it. Did you get them from scratch? Do you even believe someone could make anything he needs from scratch?
>Don't you understand that people don't just share goods... they also share services?
Skill comes from knowledge and practice, and neither of them are scarce goods. The virtual scarcity of knowledge in our society, caused by intellectual private property as I mentioned before, is the most inefficient pain in the ass to society.

>This is a strange thing to hear from an Anarcho Communist who thinks that you can force people to do shit for free is possible without government?
You won't need to force them to work, they'll do it by free will. And they won't do it "for free", the collectivity will provide him with what he needs as the reward from his effort.

>Why shouldn't i have knowledge and skills without a government?
You can have it, none says the contrary. But as a collective good, not a private one.
Can't see if I'm clear enough with this one...

>>30817102
>I'd like to believe that, if this is really your stance, you'd acknowledge the terrible failures of said historical implementations and disagree with the people that still try to implement communism in its current premature state.
Heck yeah! Stalinism was a total faillure, as well as Maoism, Juche, and a lot of other 20th century authoritarian socialist regimes. I'm still up to a gradual socialist democratic transition, though (but gradual like, in century terms).
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>>30816573
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>>30817127
Meme answers from ebin "tl; dr" fags, ladies and gentleman.

Anyways, who's gonna do the next thread? I suggest to add Mt. Rushmare, Lettuce, 4th mural, Celestia/Luna portraits and (probably) megamural on the OP. And also emphasize on the pony pixel discussion, rather than doomsday whinning and shitpost sperging.
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>>30817264
I also forgot, the 420 Tree Hugger.
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>>30817217
>You could also steal someone else's property
If i do this in an Ancap society, the owner will try to kill me... and if he fails, everyone else i ever want to deal with will know it and they won't trust me or will decide to kill me for violating the NAP

If i do this in a society with a government. The government will punish me.

If i do this in a Communist society… hmm… really makes me think.
> That depends on where did you get the raw materials and the tools for making it.
Why should this matter?
> Do you even believe someone could make anything he needs from scratch?
Yes, every single social service. I don't need anything for prostitution. And my knowledge.
> Skill comes from knowledge and practice, and neither of them are scarce goods.
Are you just implying that every could do anything if he just tries hard enough? kek.
Sorry, but individual people have individual abilities. We are not all equal. Forget this bullshit. There are things that i will never be able to do... and there are things i am able to do but not many people else.
>You won't need to force them to work, they'll do it by free will.
Yeah... of course.... come here and repair my sewer.
>You can have it, none says the contrary. But as a collective good, not a private one.
Who will force me? Your computer government? Or the majority of society? Then this is not Anarchism.
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>>30817264
Are you willing to do it or should i do it again?
But i will warn you... i will include Jeb Bush in the OP again.
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>>30817288
Do it, jeb bush best bush
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>>30817288
Try to not. For our own good.
>let's keep the [political] discussion in this thread, I don't want these threads to become Communism Discussion General.
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>>30817310
what about Cory in the House?
Can he be in the OP?
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>>30817264
I'd like the Elements Of Harmony to be up for building sometime soon. They're beautifully crafted and must not be forgotten. We must pick a spot (the idea was around Fausticorn) first though.
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>>30817280
>if he fails, everyone else i ever want to deal with will know it
You could kill a lot of people in secret, without anyone noticing. A lot of robbers and killers in our society actually do this, but they got detected because of governement public forces (like police), that work for the common good.
>or will decide to kill me for violating the NAP
That sounds even more coercitive (and unsafe) than a statist crime system, don't you think?

>Why should this matter?
Beucause then you'll be taking an unfair advantage of someone else's work, thus making your property of this good illegitimate.

>Are you just implying that every could do anything if he just tries hard enough? kek.
If even you see the flaw there, then you'll recognize the inherent unfairness in Ancap. There are a lot of people who are physical uncapable to do certain things, like childrens, elders, disabled people, pregnant women, etc. They won't survive because nobody will provide them the minimum assets for living, even if they wanted to work.
>There are things that i will never be able to do... and there are things i am able to do but not many people else.
That's why need a community in the first place. But not because you can't do something, but because there are people who are more capable to do them, and really want to do it instead of being bound to do it.

>come here and repair my sewer.
First off, I won't need to. I already said: automation will fill the unskilled labours nobody wants to do.
Second, I don't want to. But if I'd want, I'll gladly do it. There surely are a lot of people who love plumbering, so why not?

>Who will force me?
Nature. Knowledge is (or should be) free by pure logic, as it is a non-scarce good and it's easily obtained by anyone. The only reason intellectual private property exists, it's because governments protect it existense to create a virtual scarcity so intellectual property owners have a market where to accumulate capital.
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