New episode feels (and speculation)

As an added note, I wish we would've seen them with their kids and running the Apple farm together.

what were the parents names?
i want to look them up for scientific research...

>>30363820
The father is Bright Mac, and the mother is Pear Butter.

>>30363574
That stallion emptied his balls in that mare thrice

>>30363574
Considering AJ doesn't really seem to have a grudge to a particular person or thing, we can rule out murder. It has to be something really mundane but also capable of killing them at around the exact same time.

I've been in this strange emotional state - kind of, dazed I guess? Since watching the episode. I have never felt this way before. I don't even know how to describe it.

>>30363574
I mean it could be something as boring as a tree falling on them shortly after Applebloom was born.

>>30363574
Washed away in a Flash Flood

>>30363574
Again, Spike's parents ate them.

>>30363574
Train crash. They were on the way back from visiting the Oranges in Manehattan when the train they were travelling on ran into a washout at the river. The bridge had started to give way right as the train was approaching it. Had the train been 5 minutes earlier they would have been fine. The driver tried to stop as soon as he saw the river, but the train was too close. The bridge collapsed when the locomotive was nearly across, sending the front half of the train plunging into the raging river below. They were washed to their deaths, but they remained in each other's forelegs until the end.

>>30363898
oooh thats good
post bridge image?

>>30363914
Haven't got one sadly, but it's the bridge on the Manehattan line just below Neighagra Falls on the Equestria map.

>>30363574
Maybe one of those hydras from the swamps ate them? if you all even care about S1 canon that is.
Or timberwolves?

While in manehatten they were both gobbled up by a ravenous rhinoceros that escaped from the zoo.

>>30363886
Tragic airship accident.
They were on a shipping zeppelin taking a crate of applegoods to another town when it was struck by lighting and all passengers and hands died in the crash.

>>30363959
>timberwolves
This would actually perfect as Granny herself stated that the Apples dealt with them a lot in the past. But what pokes holes in this theory is that AJ confronts them without any real anger or hesitation for that to be the case

>>30364027
You know writers are fucking retarded to think that far ahead though.

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>>30364027
after her parents were killed, AJ spent years going on a genocidal campaign all over equestria against them, hunting them to complete extinction with the sole exception of in everfree forest, Forcing herself to overcome her fear of them through sheer genocidal hatred.

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>>30363574
I felt feels I didn't believe I could feel anymore.
The last scene with the intertwined trees just hurt too much.

>>30363894
"It was me, Applejack. Just the rules of nature exerting themselves to weed out the weak."

>>30363574
Apples are shown to travel through dangerous shit just to make sure that ponies get their deliveries. Could have died together when attacked by some hungry monster of some kind.

I realized hours after the fact that Buttercup looked like my mother.
...
I miss her. A lot.

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The timberwolf theory fits, since mares have a lot of trouble protecting themselves and their foals when they are just recently born.
So yeah it fits that they died protecting them, remember when Big Mac was in the pig pen all scared of wolves.

>>30364098
That wasn't a wolf. It was a monster of some sort

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>>30364095
Come here anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXlZ6edCHqI

>>30364052
Tell me about it.

>your waifu will never sing you a serenade, much less one as beautiful as Pear Butter's
Why even live?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MY2ZgOvRQ

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>>30364089
>tfw the chimera ate them

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>>30363574

I like to believe that they went on a trip to a remote town to deliver apples or whatever and just ended up never returning. Like the S4 episode Somepony to Watch Over Me. Just a bad ending.
Would also explain why everypony acted the way they did towards Applebloom, which would imply Applejack was old enough to remember this happening.

>>30364133
God, the tiger face looks so stupid

>>30364138
That theory doesn't slip because then they would be remembered as scumbags and they looked perfectly nice parents and everybody teared up when they told their stories.
You get angry when people are scumbags, you don't remember them fondly.

I remember hearing somewhere that the Pony of Shadows will make an appearance this season. I have a theory but it depends on that info. Does anyone know where I can find it?

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>>30364127
Forgot my image.

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>>30364133
If the chimera ate them, it'd be dead.

>>30364184
The website mentions the pony of shadows in its S7 description.
>>30364188
This.

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>>30364133
>Applejack's face when

>>30364223
Socks?

>>30363574
>Tarzan opening but with Apples

>>30364228
This board gets more and more funny everyday.
Fireproof boots, stupid faggot that doesn't watch the show.

>>30363574

>"Trees are a funny thing 'specially evergreens."

>"To you, to me, well, to anybody, they look perfect. Rain or shine, snow or clear, they stand tall, proud. Makes you think they're always healthy, always beautiful."

>"But then ya ask yourself. Well, do. they just live forever, cause you said before ain't nothing live forever."

>Bright nudged his glass, never lifting his eyes, never blinking in fear of losing his composure, betraying both himself and his shifting reflection.

>"But if ya'll look closely at them, sometimes you'll see that what beauty caught you in, distracted you from the truth."

>"And then ya see that those beautifully green branches covered up the ones that had begun to thin, the ones that were losing their green, and falling to join earth of the same color."

>"An they never tell ya."

>He shook his head slowly, biting his cheek.

>"How could they? Trees can't talk."

>He bit his cheek harder, shaking his head slowly as he broke gaze with his reflection, nervously adjusting his hat.

>"Or maybe they can. An' they just don't wanna worry ya..."

>"An one day you just come back, to that same spot. And you find that-"

>Bright trailed off, shaking his head slowly.

>"That they're gone. Gone like smoke in the breeze, an you- you know you couldn't do anything- an' you still sit up at night and wonder if it was your fault."

>He shook his head again, standing as he felt the gaze of his dear colthood friend linger on him.

>"I'm going out for some air," he said, eyes never leaving the floor.

>Storytelling, weaving a tale of memories and emotion to carry on a tune that lingers behind long after another is gone.

>It was the least that could have been done, as both fell ill, one from a broken heart.

>>30364263
STOP

>>30364275
It had to be done, Anon.

They probably ether had some work related accidents or got sick and couldn't be cured.

>>30364194
Thank you

>>30364184
Anyway, a interesting aspect of the Pony of Shadows is that AJ was the one who brought him up in the first place, saying it was a legend that Granny Smith told her. Meaning it could a legend that only the apples knew about. This is pretty out there, but what if after Pear died Bright Mac went into hiding for whatever reason? Like he assumes the identity of the Pony of Shadows, lives deep in the Everfree forest, occasionally keeping an eye on his family from afar.

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>>30364263

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I think a PMV of Catch the Rainbow would be very appropriate for this (Using the Glenn Hughes cover). Would anyone be interested in seeing that?

Reminder to vote
http://www.strawpoll.me/13245398
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>>30364263
My mind for some reason read this using the voice of Bob Ross

Now I feel extra sad

>>30364369
do it faget

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>"The stars will aid in her escape"
>The first direct reference to the parents are two falling stars
>The mare in moon features heavily throughout the new episode
Make of that as you will

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>>30364386
k ^:-)

>>30364395
No...that's not true...
THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!

>>30363574
They were on their way to a newly discovered island to start a farm of their own. A storm hit the boat sank a life raft was found with only the Apple children inside. The parents were feared lost at sea. But all was not lost the island shows up on twilights map they head there to solve a friendship problem and find Applejacks parents alive and well living Swiss family Robinson style. Family is reunited and applejack becomes princess of the island. No one is ever dead in cartoons or sitcoms that cannot be brought back in some wacky way.

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>131,456 hours anniversary

>>30364425
Or it's ~15 years.

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>>30364425
STOP I CANT TAKE THIS

>>30364395
>>30364425
DEEPEST

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>>30364422
>No one is ever dead in cartoons or sitcoms
Batman's parents.

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>"Do you like our love story? Be honest now."

>>30364472
best romance in all of MLP (but that's not saying much really)

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>>30364454
Uh Batman is clearly an Anime, duh

>>30364454
Yes and every Disney child is a orphan getting raised by an uncle. But this was always described in their back story. We never got a story describing Applejacks parents or scootaloos.

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>>30364472
I hate no-gay shit on my chinese cartoon but this one is special.

>>30363574
They didn't

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>>30364512
>tfw you finally find the purest form of love and it's straightshit
not even mad

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As sweet as the ending was, did anyone else question how Applejack knew about the trees despite not knowing her mother was a Pear? Let alone the fact that she knew exactly when to tell Granny Smith despite only just learning the full story?

All that aside, as an Applefag I think I have a new favorite episode. It was 10/10 tbqh.

>>30364960
I know I was asking about the trees in another thread

>>30363574
I'm going with cart crash. Tragic, but not too gory.

>>30364425
Also, when a 5 is before a number, they usually read it as no, and 6 is business luck. So it can read as:
One Live, One Dead, No business luck, or
Forever no business luck

>>30364960
I don't get whta you mean. Didn't she learn where they were after Mayor Mare told her?

>>30364988
>>30364960
They probably went straight too the wedding site after Mayor told them about it.

Apples are blunt as fuck and she was probably more than a little pissed with granny.
Family is important, ALL of it.

>>30365023
>>30365039
>Mayor told them about it
Ah, fair enough. That would make sense.

They have FUCKED at least THREE TIMES

>>30364536
well no shit

straight love has always been the purest

it results in new life

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>>30364425
This makes me sweaty with arousal

>>30363574
HOW.DID.THEY.DIE.

>>30365095
I have a feeling there not dead and they might be introduced in the movie possibly like they had some kind of incident going overseas the ship crashes they were thought lost at sea but were actually stranded on some unknown island main six while on their mission to stop the main villain they come across that island.

>>30364536
But that's the same as real life

>>30358206
Is this thread any good? I started looking through it but it seems a bit of a shitshow

>>30365587
That's what happens when Australia airs shit early and anons are all watching it at different intervals with no-one watching the important scenes together.

>>30363574
>how did they die?
They didn't.

Stop being such a fucking faggot.

>>30365611
Die you degenerate alivefag.

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deadass i feel empty after that episode
ive waited eons for some light to be shed on AJ's parents

and then they just went and... did that.
they got me all fucked up

This episode is definitey my #1 episode now.
fucking incredible.

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Considering AJ/Big Mac didn't know of Mrs Cake and Burnt Oak, I don't think Apple Bloom is that much younger than them

>>30363574

Went missing during a delivery through rough territory one day and never returned. Presumed dead; no grave.

Are actually dead--were attacked by changelings and the family never found out. In a future season, a "reformed" changeling recognizes the hat and tells Applejack the truth, convincing her of the truth by taking the form of Buttercup. The Mane 6 are divided over how to deal with her newfound HATRED for changelings, reformed or not.

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Reminder that your waifu will die in your lifetime in Equestria.

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>>30366169
I fucking want this now

>>30363574
>episode airs in the middle of the night and I have no time to shitpost because I must go to work
I didn't get myself born into the best country on earth so I could put up with this second rate treatment. Australia is on the list.

Underrated scene:
Big Mac asking Wood pony in private if he can come back lagoon and talk about his dad with him.

He doesn't want the girls to see him as anything less than the cool, calm, level headed man of the house.
But in reality he is just a lost young man without a father in his life. He is supposed to know how to be a man, but he doesn't know how because of a lack of a fatherly figure in his life.
Maybe Wood pony can fulfill that role?

>>30366507
That's nice, I didn't think about it. It'd would be nice to see them together in another episode, even if it's just in the background.

>>30363886
My personal head canon is Buttercup died giving birth to Applebloom, and Bright Mac later died from a broken heart.

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She has at least one memory of them right?

She knows what they look like not because of an old photo?

Right?

>>30365799
About that...
So, in that flashback episode about AJ lying to Filthy rich, Granny states that AJ and Bigmac weren't that much older than AB when it happened.
But Spoiled milk and filthy just got together, and AB was nowhere to be seen.
Also we can safely assume that DT and AB are around the same age.

So, where the fuck were the appul parents when this episode aired?
None of this makes any fucking sense.
Why didn't we ever see them in any flashbacks, while everything always points to them still being alive back then.

>>30366845
I think she meant "they weren't that much older than your current age, when that happened"

>>30366856
Yes, that's what I said...?
What are you getting from my post?

>>30363784
That would hurt...

>>30366843
I could accept that they may have raised her to at least early foalhood.

But, really, it probably wasn't that far into her life since Big Mac doesn't seem to know a lot about his father and I'm guessing they at least got him to 10 or so.

>>30364425
STOP
I CANT TAKE THE FEELS

>>30363974
Are you referencing James and the giant peach? Man what the fuck was Rhoald Dahl smoking

>>30366856

I think the problem is that in that episode, there's no AppleBloom and no parents, but AJ and Big Mac are of a mind that they're next to be in charge of the farm.

That can be explained away in any number of ways, but hasn't been, and is a conspicuous oddity.

I don't think I can take these feels guys, I've hurt before, but never this much why can't it end?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU6gG-p5FZc
I don't know why but I feel like this fits pretty well with these two

>>30363574
As others have speculated it was probably some sort of accident, I reckon some kind of train crash or fire or something.

They might have even been on the pony Titanic or something, but dunno if they would have left their one year old to do so.

>>30366843
>You'll never go to equestria with your computer.
>You'll never show the apple family this episode.
>Applebloom will never finally hear her mom's voice.

>>30367267
I'm riding with something mundane (Pear Butter went out into a storm to secure the barn, thunder startled the cattle, they stampeded out and damaged the barn and leaves her trapped inside, Bright Mac goes out to save his wife, the lantern she's carrying falls and sets some hay on fire, barn collapses on both and they perish inside).

The whole "Applejack is secretly responsible for her parents death" angle is shit-tier. Not everything has to be a personal tragedy (if anything this episode made me feel a "bad things happen to good people" vibe, which would be apt for their demise as well).

>>30367285
>Mother dies in childbirth.
>Father pushes himself hard out of grief, runs across a changeling while out on a long delivery and never returns home.
I imagine grieving widows in particular would be at risk to changeling attacks, they'd know it's a lie but their spouse is RIGHT THERE and before they know it they're snuggled up to them feeling warm and tired before they drift off to sleep in 'their' lovers embrace, never to wake up again.

Christ the feels this episode has given me has inspired me to get back into song writing.

THREAD THEME:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt1Pwfnh5pc

Did this give anyone else S1 vibes? I haven't been struck with this many feelies since the earlier seasons.

>>30367381
Nah, if anything this episode isn't like anything from S1 or S2, it's much much heavier.
It's just because those episodes hits you on a personal level.
The episode the CMC got their cutie mark hit me much harder than any episode in S1, for example. And it also goes for Scootaloo episodes, just because I personally care a lot about her.

And this episode tugs at everyone's heartstrings. There's the dead parents tragedy, the kids wanting to learn more, grampear feeling like shit and coming back 'home'...

>>30367457
I'm so proud of you, little buddy.

>>30364395
There were more than two stars

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>>30367539
The other two were Scootaloo's parents.

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I can't stop listening to the song but it makes me so fucking depressed

help

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>>30367586
Not until we get an episode
though is pretty much a given at this point

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>>30363574

>>30367586
and then the last two are starlight's parents

I like to think that their deaths are simpler than an accident. Perhaps they just caught an incurable illness. One of them could have caught it and the other, desperately trying to care for their loved one and nurse them back to health, caught it themselves. All the while Granny Smith is taking care of and comforting her grandchildren. Afraid of catching the illness too and leaving the children alone she calls a doctor to come take a look at Bright Mac and Pear Butter only to recieve the news that they're too sick to be saved and that they didn't have much tume left. The next morning they pass on.

Comment
Starlight Glimmer killed them in a fit of revenge against the mane six. We're not watching the original timeline.

>>30368045
Cut to the doctor getting his pay from Celestia.

>>30368101
why did she only kill them though? why not kill the rest of the mane 6' parents? how would that affect the timeline?

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Let the hugbox mentality begin.

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>>30368213
Why are derpibooru users cancer incarnate? They gobble up all the garbage like there's no tomorrow and yet they can't appreciate the most mature, serious and feelsy themes the show has to offer.
Fucking nuke that shithole already.

>>30368213
THE DENIAL.

>>30368349
Look, Glimmer is fine. Only you have a problem with her.

Okay? Okay. Drop it.

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>>30368349
It gets worse.

>>30368369
I think that person is just being a contrarian.

>>30368213

I can't handle real life: the comment

>>30363574
I want them to be alive. I refuse to believe her life was cut short.

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>>30363574
>just had Father's Day
>this fucking episode airs a few days later
GOD

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>>30368417
>>30368383

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>Watched the episode
>Two happy couple, living for each other
>Think of my failed relationships
>Remember that feeling of love
>I will never have a satisfying stable wonderful relationship like this.
>I am not responsible enough to be this loving
>I am just a diagnosed autist, who has to stay away from people, due to my unability to properly make a person feel loved
>Eventually all my relationships wanted me to change and were unhappy with me.

I am so happy for these two fictional horses, I wish I could ever be like this. It made me cry like a fucking baby.
This show always comes back to my heart, when I just think its magic left, it does things to me like this. This was one of the most wonderful of episodes, well written, funny, heart warming, sad. I just love it, it was very daring for a children show. Thank you MLP.

>>30368638
That's literally the same level of autism as that racist wings guy who watches Thomas & Friends.

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The story is rather reminiscent of Romeo & Juliet... Maybe they killed themselves.

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"They left us something to remember them by"

What do they mean by this

>>30367330
This gave me chills

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While I do wish they had a line or two at the end to really cement the emotion of their passing and maybe a simple flashback with them and the kids, I think the episode was fine without showing anything related to their deaths. There's something so perfect about the way this episode was executed. It has the strong emotional core that we were all expecting from an apple parents episode but it's done an unexpected way. The sadness centers around the duality of the sheer brightness of the love story mixed with the lifetime of Gran Pear disowning his daugher. It's done in such a steady, genuine way that doesn't target cheap emotional hits and instead relies on realistic interaction between the apple siblings finding out about their parents from family friends. A large amount of the emotion comes from your connection to the characters built over the years instead of using the most basic psychological tricks. I bet if you showed this episode to a nonfan they wouldn't actually find it overly sad because it doesn't have a lot of explicit crybait like most other shows and their "very special" episode.

The sheer maturity level in the writing of MLP never ceases to astound me, not from necessarily a deep or literary merit kind of way but from the restraint of the writers have. Last season Joanna and Kristine had Top Bolt which showed genuine subtlety when it came to depicting a dependent relationship. Any other show would have had them throwing explicit blame around on who the bad in the relationship was, but instead we just get a genuine, blameless story of them fixing their problems together. Same with Gauntlet of Fire not being about Ember going the obvious route of being oppressed by male dragons.

I can't give anything but praise to Joanna and Kristine. They absolutely understand the spirit of the show and they clearly have micromanaged a ton of the small details in every episode to the point where you can't even tell most of them are from completely new writers.

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>>30368753
>they killed themselves
>they had 3 children

>>30368753
While the show obviously utilizes the "forbidden love between rival families" angle found in Romeo and Juliet, I don't really think there's enough to go off to get to that conclusion. That trope exists in more places than that, and not all of them end tragically. R&J is just one of the most well known ones.

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>>30368810

>>30368771
When you leave something with an intention people will remember you even after you gone

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>>30368771
>That rock holding the tree together
It's a connection to the rock family, aka the Pie family.

i cant handle this

>>30368771
So if they already know of this, why are they so surprised at pears?

>>30364263
just let her go

that's what they tell me

everytime

I like how this episode showed that even if the Apple Parents are dead, their legacies still live on in the lives they touched.

>>30368753
Over 10 years after being married...?

I'm more amazed at the fact that the both parents of the Apple family have come to terms with the death of their children.

That's something which I'm guessing none of us could even begin to comprehend how hard it is.

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>>30366169
Screaming want want want

>>30370251
It's been about 10 years since they died, so Granny Smith probably had time to accept it.

Grand Pear clearly has regrets, though.

>>30368771
>The rock at the base of the trees is the same one Bright Mac carved his and Pear Butter's cutie marks into.
>Tombstones for couples have their names engraved together.
>We're looking at Bright Mac and Pear Butter's grave.

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>>30370328

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>>30368349
>nuke the website that has all the porn.
Smart.

>>30369218
It wasn't until they learned about the feud and their parents' romance that they realized that the pair of trees that they knew about made sense to them. And that one twisted pear tree was preserved for unspoken reasons, probably by Grannie Smith to remember Pear Butter by.

>>30370328
As nice as that would be, who'd have buried them there?

>>30370328
>implying the Apple kids wouldn't have already been to their parent's gravesite and wondered why there's a fucking pear tree in the middle of it

This episode would have played out a lot sooner if that was the case.

>>30369867

Has this image been tastefully cropped?

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>>30368753

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Did you notice that Mrs. Cake's maiden name was Chiffon Swirl so her maried full name would be Chiffon Cake?

>>30370534
>>30370537
Bright Mac and Pear Butter may not be buried there, but they may as well be. That's a memorial if there ever was one.

>>30365050
Twice. Applebloom is AJ and Big Mac's incest babby.

>>30370610
I wasn't aware it was a thing until now.

That gave me a rather lewd idea for a tiny bit of green. Not sure where I'd post it though.

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>>30368819
>>30368861
>>30370222
>>30370548

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I'm going to say that either both died in a barn fire, or one was lost to sickness and the other just lost the will to live.
It would be the easiest to explain to children though we all know they'll never get into it.

every poster pushing the "lost the will to live" angle is lame and gay

>>30370958
This. At that point they've had three kids, that's a big reason to keep going.

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>>30363857
Pear Butter died the day she married that apple farmer. She went by Buttercup from that day on.

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>>30363574
The new episode made me feel in a way this show has never made me do before. My speculation to what happened to the apple parents is that both of them got some sort of illness that made their health slowly deteriorate leaving them enough time to barely get to know Applebloom before both passing.

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>>30370905
I'm thinking the same for the latter, but that Buttercup died giving birth to Applebloom, then Bright Mac soon after of a broken heart.

It'd explain why we see AJ and Big Mac as children and teens, but the parents aren't around. Perhaps Applebloom was raised by another member of the Apple Family in her infancy until AJ and Big Mac were old enough to take care of her.

>>30371661
See here's the problem, you can explain away a death by sickness, but good luck talking to children about death by childbirth without scarring them for life.
Especially the target audience. The cause of their demise has to remain child friendly.

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>tfw song reminded me of my bf
>tfw rewatched it with him later
>tfw he said he thought of me during the song too

Over three years and going strong.

>>30371899
gross, fags

>>30363574
both are killed off-screen by glimmer

>>30371906
quite the opposite m8, unless you mean we're fags bc of mushy emotions, in which case, we're colossal faglords, yeah

>>30371920
L O N D O N
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D
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>>30371929
Maybe it's a girlposter.

>>30371913
>it happened off screen
damn you, jim

>>30371943
LONDON
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>>30371899
><My> bf
><He> said that he thought of <me>
>Implying grill
shiggypone.png

To be fair I also thought of my gf there thou, and that ending tree was pretty nice too
Still, how would one kick its fruit down? One trunk will hold the other steady afterall, unless that s the exact reason which would make it work but still...

>>30371982
obviously the fruit wouldn't be harvested, it's essentially their graves m8

>>30368771
The trees are something that really bugs me.
Where the fuck are they?
I mean, the appuls have been living there for aeons, and none of them, AJ, BM or even AB ever came across them?
Like, see AJ's reaction to pears, you would think that she'd blast this tree into outerspace the second she saw it inside or close to her orchard.
it really rubs me the wrong way

>>30368369
He's not wrong about that particular episode though, it was shit.

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>>30372419
>unironically hating on the best episode of the serie

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>>30363574
>how did they die?
Illness and flash flood are the first things that come to mind. Particularly the latter.

>>30363894
I wrote out this answer before I saw your post, but I agree. It feels like a very rural farm-y kind of tragic death.

>>30364052
>>30364127
The song in particular destroyed me. Not just the song itself, but hearing lines like "Seasons change, and leaves may fall / but I'll be with you through them all" knowing that they're both gone.

>>30368369
>>30368638
>caring about a pet is "cringy"
>Hasbro are murderers
Anon, I... I think we're criticising a dumb thirteen-year-old here. It's probably some edgy underageb& who will look back on this with embarrassment in a few years.

>>30372216
>>30369218
>>30370522
Maybe Granny Smith told the kids to stay far away from the Pears' former land, as part of the feud. In that case, they would never approach the border close enough to see it.

>>30372787
>have apple trees there
>doesn't buck them because muh centuries old feud
yeah nah. Appuls are jews, they wouldn't leave so many trees out just because

this is the kind of shit that these two always fuck up.
their episodes are great, but when you try to scratch the surface, everything goes down. Like in gauntlet of fire, or royal problem.
it's not too important since we'll never see these trees or talk about the parents ever again, but still.

>>30372516
I'm talking about the Tank one, dumbfuck.

>>30372804
As do I, dumbfuck.

>>30372809
Then you're a retard, because that episode was shit.

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>>30372813
Please tell me yours is 'the best night ever'

>>30370610
I actually didn't realise "chiffon cake" was a thing. Does that mean Cup Cake is no longer canon? I guess they could say it's a nickname, like Buttercup.

>>30372800
Tradition and profit have always been intertwined for the Apples, though. I feel like you're maybe too intent on finding problems, and not as intent on finding answers.

>>30370982
>>30370958
Being nabbed by a changeling while out on delivery is my personal headcanon if only because i figure bright would be particularly susceptible after she passed.

>>30372821
but this doesn't have anything to do with traditions Anon
it's not like the pears are still there, they all gtfo'd
it'd be fucking dumb of them not to buy the land to plant their own trees right after, and even more stupider to not go pick the apples in your own orchard because it's close to the land of your 50yo rivals that aren't even there anymore

that's not an 'answer' anon, that's 'pinkie is adopted' headcanon level

>>30372816
My what? And what does BNE have to do with anything? Do you mean best episode? Because it's not that, it's possibly Dragonshy, but it may be a toss up or pushed to 2nd with this current episode.

You're not writing comprehensively. Because you're a retard. Because you liked that shitty episode.

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>>30372836
>instantly gets on the defensive
>swears like a sailor because it's top kek
>ad hominems
Okay, whew, I nearly took you seriously :^)

>>30368213

>I still think they are alive, no matter what you say.
Which would beg the question of where they are. Both are farmers that grew up in and are rooted in Ponyville, so neither would have a particular calling that would bring them away to somewhere else. They're also both rather morally upstanding ponies, and so would not think to abandon their children. Realistically, the only reason other than death to explain their absence would be that some force beyond their control caused them to be spirited away (like a kidnapping), but that would then raise other questions, like why the Apple family has managed to come to terms so easily with their absence. They're very tight-knit, and if it were the case that their parents were missing, but not necessarily dead, I would think that they'd be still putting in effort to this day to try to find them.

In establishing the character of Bright Mac and Pear Butter, this episode has eliminated every possible reason for their absence other than death.

>>30372835
If someone older tells you there's something the family just does, congrats: it's tradition. Granny is too stubborn to get over things -- she gets too upset about the feud to even talk about it, when it comes up -- and the kids just listen to what Granny tells them to do. Do you think slapping the jam out of Apple Bloom's hoof and tearing up the floor to bury it was a rational, well-calculated financial decision?

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>>30371913
woah

>>30372836
I think it was implied that she changed her whole name. Didn't one of the staff confirm her current name was "cup cake" like way back in the earlier seasons?
Ponies don't seem to universally accept the whole family surname thing, so it would stand that her name is still Cup Cake. She just changed her name at some point after she discovered her passion.

Actually, thinking on it, this may also be the answer to the much older question of "why do so many ponies seem to have names that perfectly fit their cutie marks?".

>>30372866
That didn't have anything to do with finances tho, it was just to avoid having to hear granny rambles for hours on about stupid shit. And it's not a 'tradition', either.
The shit they do at christmas is tradition.
The way they make the apple jam is tradition.

But 'not going there' because '...I'm not going to tell you why!' isn't tradition.
And I'm sure AJ or BM would've gone there by themselves, just because she would've told them not to do it. Either while they were younger, or later on. 'Oh hey Granny, there's this huge orchard there with all 'them apples, why don't we pick them' and she'd lose her shit again and one of them would go and check on it.
I mean, idk anon, it's dumb.

>>30372890
Meant to reply to
>>30372821
Sorry about that

>>30372890
>>30372890
Yeah, Cup Cake is attested in lots of stuff. What you're saying is what I initially assumed, until I realised that "chiffon cake" is an actual pastry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiffon_cake

Now I'm leaning toward her full name being Chiffon "Cup" Cake, as sort of a cutesy nickname. She wouldn't be the first pony with multiple names, after all. I wouldn't be bothered either way, but it would be a weird coincidence if that isn't what they intended.

>>30372891
A tradition is just "an inherited pattern of thought or action." So if your family acts a certain way, and you inherit that, it's tradition by definition. But it can be even broader: it's also "a specific practice of long standing," in the way that going to the beach every year might be a family tradition.

>>30371943
>grill
>on the internet
come on Anon be serious

>Bright Mac calls Pear Butter "Buttercup" from childhood
>Applejack uses "Sugarcube" as a term of endearment with other Ponies

>>30370610
so a pony's name can change

>>30370822
Post it here.

>>30375174
Changelings are now reformed.

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>>30363574

>>30375174
Or they're dead

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>>30375174

The Changelings were reformed at the end of season 6. Unless your implying there are Changeling rebels that sided with Chrysalis, I doubt your theory can even be considered a headcanon.

>>30371899
fag

>>30363574
>How did they die
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ladq8fZD6TA

I saw some of the threads about this before I watched it and got too hyped I think, It wasnt as emotional as I expected, I teared up a bit, but didnt cry.

now im stuck in that phase where I want to cry, but im not sad enough to do it. Im going to rewatch it, maybe i can get it out.

>>30368638
> Jarkes

The same asshole who was blocked by Jim Miller because he kept harrasing him over and over again to make his Starlighit ship real and also brags about how he drops by to shit on Pencils's threads is now criticrizing people. Riiiight.

But again, he's a real autist so he is really oblivious about a lot of things.

>>30368367
Glimmer sucks and her fans are cancer.

Get used to it, okay? Okay. Now drop your retarded "noisy minority crap" and dedicate your efforts to try to get laid instead of fapping to your Starburst ship.

>>30372890
>Didn't one of the staff confirm her current name was "cup cake" like way back in the earlier seasons?
Faust herself confirmed their names as Carrot Cake and Cup Cake way back during season 1 and their names were said on screen during Baby Cakes.

>>30372890
Hasbro changed her name to Mrs. Dazzle Cake for the BlndBag toyline.

>>30372890
>>30375848
obviously ponies don't have a official name, much like humans hundreds of years ago. Lots of humans didn't have surnames in the middle ages, and many took names that described what they did, how they acted, or where they lived (like Biersack (Beer bag), Delport (Near the gate), Skitekat (Wants to vomit)) when they wanted or needed a surname.

Names are more like whats we consider nicknames nowadays, its what others call you, and you can change it any time you want.

>>30375848
Dazzle gets added to a lot of things when the base name is too generic to trademark. Daring Do Dazzle™, Diamond Dazzle Tiara™... It's just one of those stock pony words.

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As some of you may remember, someone posted about this youtuber who got jaded and started drifting away from the show. The new episode turned it around for her. I wonder if Greg's cynicism was also broken by this episode.

>>30375984
Yay, she's back!

>>30375984
>>30376687
fuck off

>>30376687
>>30376699
/mlp/ in 2 posts

>>30375984
Is greg the guy who made the mentally abridged series?
I'm going to miss rainbow dash.

>>30376699
Lol k then

>>30375695
It didn't really hit me until the song, where she was singing about being "together through it all" and "rain or shine," and the full poignancy hit me because I realised they wouldn't get to have their happily-ever-after.

>>30375984
Kek, that clickbaity thumbnail. But I'd like to see more people getting back on the ride.

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>see all of these people saying that the episode gave them some powerful feels
>It was a good episode, I enjoyed it a lot
>I didn't have any of these kinds of feels when watching it

help

>>30377316
I might have a theory, how long have you been on the ride?

>>30377332
since January 2015
what are you trying to imply?

>>30377406
That maybe the impact of this episode is higher depending on how long you've been around. Though my theory doesn't prove anything as that was around the same time I joined and the episode brought me to tears. I guess it's just you.

>>30377441
The funny thing is, I bet the target audience HATED it.
The 4/5 year olds who watch this show were probably bored as fuck by the lacking of pinky pie or random spongebob humor, and failed to understand the gravity of the episode.

>>30377457
unless they live in Australia, I doubt very many little girls saw this episode

>>30377457
Eh, I don't know. I remember enjoying a lot more of the somber moments in cartoons when I was a kid. The episode of Courage the Cowardly Dog where you find out how he lost his parents really resonated with me the first time I watched it.

Just a reminder that they *were never explicitly stated/shown to be dead.* No mention of dying/passing away, no visual cues, nothing. Hasbro forced the writers/DHX to keep their fate ambiguous, because...

Hasbro will retroactively ruin this episode for us, mark my words. They'll force the writers/DHX to show them alive before the series ends. Screencap this. It will happen.

>>30377487
I'll take that bet, its pretty damned clear they're dead.

>>30377487
>No mention of dying/passing away, no visual cues, nothing.
So wrong.

>>30377497
Please point out the line of dialogue or visual reference where they referred to their parents as being *permanently* gone. All references are ambiguous, they say they're "not here" or "gone" but they never say they died.

I'm just being realistic. Hasbro has a great track record of fucking up good things. From a narrative perspective OF COURSE they are/should be dead. I'm just saying this would have been *the* episode to explicitly recognize their death, but it never came, and I'm sure it was due to Hasbro denying the writers from saying it or from DHX from adding in some visual reference of their passing.

>>30377487
You're an idiot. Hasbro showcased an animatic of this episode at the Toy Fair because they knew the huge waves it would make. They understand why it's important, but they'd prefer not to introduce explicit themes of death and grieving into the show.

Most likely it'll just be "unambiguously meant to be dead, but not stated outright" forever. It lets them keep the best of both worlds.

>>30377520
I wish I had your optimism. Somewhere right now (or more likely after it airs in the US) some Hasbro studio execs are going to have a meeting and decide, based on how popular these characters are, whether they should be brought back or left """dead.""" And if they foresee a profit in bringing them back alive, it will happen.

>>30377536

Hasbro's not that dumb, and they also realize how much it would COST them to do so.

I expect they'll actually make toys of them, but they'll still be dead, the toys will be from these flashbacks.

>>30377536
Hopefully Hasbro realizes that, if they did that, many people would stop watching the show. I would.

It won't happen, though.

>>30377608
Hasbro doesn't give a shit about adults though, only 4 year olds. They stick pretty damned hard to the fading demographic rule, and therefore don't care about "longterm" fans.

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>>30377650
t. doesn't know what he's talking about

Hasbro's been bragging about their expanded demographics pretty hard these past couple of years.

>>30377687
That's just corproate talk to investors to try and shill that they have a ton of different demo's buying their shit, at their heart they don't put any priority on long term fans but instead rely on the fleeting demographic rule of about 2-3 years for 90% of fans.

>>30377702
Did you forget that Hasbro were the ones who pushed for Slice of Life to happen? That both DHX and the writers were opposed, but Hasbro said, "No, let's pander to the bronies"?

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>>30377687
>nigger twilight

>>30377709
From what I heard DHX was all onboard for that.

>>30377715
even hasbro is getting in on the meme

>>30377702
And that's why they rebranded to a more gender-neutral logo, right? That's why they're putting out GoH and the fan series, right? Hell, even Jimmy Fallon did a segment about how Hasbro is reaching out to new demographics, starting with boys: http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/mitch-mcconnell-forces-health-care-vote-my-little-pony-for-boys-monologue/3539607

This isn't cynicism, it's just blindness.

>>30377792
Tucker Carlson just had their bizarre story of the day cover Hasbro's move toward gender neutrality. The woman telling the story kinda warped it to make it sound like Hasbro was trying to eliminate or disregard gender entirely though I'll tally that up to typical Fox News spin

>>30377792
That's so they can sell toys to 5 year old boys, it has nothing to do with adults or long term fans.

>>30377861
Dude, its fox news, they hate anything not stuck in the 60s.

>>30377869
The fan series aren't really for play, though. These are figurines with almost no articulation, meant to be displayed on a shelf. They're advertised as "sculptures" with "collectible packaging."

>>30377922
kids love having things on their shelves already, that's like 50% of the collectibleness of pony toys for kids-- since the 80s little girls would get a collection of ponies just to stick them on their shelves.
It works for adult fans, but girls also want those things.

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>>30377457
Pear jam scene in the intro to get their attention, followed by a "why are we feuding" mystery to solve and the whole thing is sprinkled with cute moments and simple but powerful concepts.
This episode could easily rank in a little girls top ten, especially if they're a fan of the show already.

>>30377709
>>30377732
>It was only Hasbro executives that wanted Slice of Life.
>They explictly put in a freeze frame showing a bunch of them wearing horse masks.
Your theory doesnt make much sense buddy.
Slice of life was a pretty blatant nod to the fandom, your opinion on the episode may vary but thinking the writers weren't on board with it on some level is a special kind of stupid.

>>30377932
Do you really think children care about "sculptures" with "collectible packaging" though? "Kids might enjoy this" is not the same as "marketed to kids." Also bear in mind that the fan series is marketed under the GoH label, which is the action-oriented set meant for boys -- but most small boys care about articulated action figures they can play with. So there are decisions in play here that de-prioritise both little girls and little boys.

It's just bizarre, the lengths to which you (and others) are screeching and saying "no that doesn't count!" for everything that pops up.

>>30377976
You seem confused about how episodes are made. It starts as a concept, and then it gets written and produced. The concept came from Hasbro. All involved eventually got on board as they made it, but that doesn't mean there was no dissent early on.

As for the "writers" (who aren't part of DHX, by the way), Larson has said repeatedly that he was against the concept of mixing fan stuff with the show at first -- both for this episode, and as a general practice.

>Your theory doesnt make much sense buddy.
>theory
???
https://twitter.com/M_A_Larson/status/610011404695789568

>>30378029
>Larson saying he tried to convince them not to = none of them wanted to.
Bit shaky.

>>30378084
Larson was the one who wrote the episode. None of the other writers' opinions actually matter for it. The only other person who would be involved is the story editor... but Larson was also the story editor for that half-season.

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>>30378084
There's nothing shaky about that.
Tho dad wasn't against SoL in and of itself, he said HE didn't want to write it/shouldn't be the one to do it.
Even tho it turned out better than anyone would've ever hoped to.

>>30377487
I mean, is there a chance they could retcon the whole thing? Sure, there was no explicit confirmation of what happened to their parents, AND EVEN IF THERE WAS, deaths can be staged/faked for a variety of reasons, and time in MLP can literally be rewritten with a single spell. The thing is, the show has been going on for 7 seasons, and they had more than enough time to bring the Apple parents back if they wanted to. The fact that they could have introduced them at any time during this 7 season run, have barely touched on them during that time (while taking the time to introduce every other parental unit of the main 6), and THIS episode is how they finally address it, suggests to me that they're not interested in having the Apple parents alive. There's just no reason to put it off for so long, go in this direction with their introductory episode after 7 seasons, only to swerve us all at the end by having them be alive all along. That goes beyond just bad writing, it makes no narrative sense.

>>30378353
I don't get it.

>>30378526
Get what?
Here's what happened.

Peeps at hasbro, no idea who, thought it'd be a good idea to make the 100th episode about us. The order was something along the lines of 'Pander as much as you can'
They sent that to DHX, dhx didn't care about it and sent it to the writers. AKR received it, but she had to do something more important, I can't remember what, was it an EQG movie or the S5 finale? Oh, yeah it was the finale.
And she picked dad to write it. Dad went 'wtf, that's a bad idea!' and then even asked Hasbro to cancel that, I guess the main reason was because he was scared of the backlash it could have, look at the number of autists we have brohooving around but hasbro said 'nope, you write it and you pander!'
And since then, he became dad

>>30378558
Bonbon's oats.

>>30378571
Oh, it's an old obscure youtube meme
here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpwCVi_hMmk

>>30378588
Ah, ok. I would have never worked out that it was a llamas with hats reference. Guess I forgot all that shit.

>>30377469

I bet all the little aussie kids were all "CRIKEY THIS HERE IS A GOOBERFAUX OF A LOVE STORE, OY"

>>30378098
Originally the episode was being written by Amy Keating Rogers, according to Larson she wrote the outline and general structure of the episode before he got involved.

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>>30364263

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>>30363574

Speaking of the guitar scene: I knew that thing looked familiar.

>>30379649
>two strings
Close, but they animated a real guitar in this episode. Or they implicitly retconned a real guitar.

>>30379662

>Your firstborn daughter shows a real interest in your music, the instrument you play love songs and lullaby alike on.
>Hearth's Warming, she gets her own, first two-string. When she's not doing chores, she's hoofing chords
>Little improvised duets in the kitchen after lunch
>Maybe you can get her and that Fiddlesticks filly to play a little something at the next reunion...

>>30379649
>AJ plays guitar
>not bass
eqgfags btfo yet again

>>30378492
>I mean, is there a chance they could retcon the whole thing?
They did it to Pinkie getting her CM with Maud supposedly being there even though she never existed then, again with Twilight and Fluttershy having older brothers that never existed prior (Zephyr maybe gets away), and there's everything all over the place in regards to alicorns.

Time shortage isn't an issue, since it's at least double digits in season numbers guaranteed, nor is the fact that the staff clearly want to imply they're dead, if a Hasbro executive says "they're alive, show it" they can't say no.

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Finally had a chance to watch the episode. I thought it was really good, FiM could use more feels episodes like this.

We are now fully back in summer hiatus though. Will be a long summer without pony. At least movie trailer should drop soon so we have something to shitstorm about.


S07E14 - Fame and Misfortune
Twilight Sparkle's publishing of the friendship journal has unintended consequences when ponies start to argue over who wrote the best lessons.
S07E?? - Triple Threat
Spike accidentally invites Ember and Thorax to Ponyville on the same day. He's sure the two new leaders are not going to get along so he does all he can to keep them apart and cover the fact that the other is there.
S07E?? - Campfire Tales
When their sister camping trip is ruined by Fly-ders, Applejack, Rarity and Rainbow Dash tell Sweetie Belle, Apple Bloom and Scootaloo the stories of their favorite legends; inspired by the tales, the girls make the most out of their new situation.
S07E?? - Daring Done
(synopsis unconfirmed) Rainbow Dash's favorite author announces her retirement. Dash convinces Pinkie Pie to find out if the book on Daring Do will be closed forever.
S07E?? - A Health of Information
While helping Fluttershy gather supplies, Zecora comes down with a terrible disease called Swamp Fever; even though a cure has not been discovered, Fluttershy makes it her mission to heal Zecora no matter what it takes.
S07E?? - To Change A Changeling
Starlight Glimmer and Trixie try to get Thorax's brother Pharynx to accept the new way by sharing love and transforming so he doesn't undermine Thorax's leadership, and that the hive will ultimately accept him.

>>30380310

S07E?? - It Isn't The Mane Thing About You
When Rarity's shampoo is accidentally switched with Zecora's magical remover potion, she does everything she can to fix her devastated mane in time for an upcoming photo shoot.
S07E?? - Once Upon A Zeppelin
Twilight is torn when she discovers the cruise she and her family are on is a themed vacation experience in which ponies have paid for the privilege of spending time with her, and she must please both her family and the cruise attendees.
S07E?? - Marks and Recreation
Wanting to help as many blank flanks as possible, the CMCs start a Cutie Mark Day Camp, but are surprised when one of their campers doesn't want a cutie mark.
S07E?? - Secrets and Pies
When Pinkie Pie thinks she sees Rainbow Dash throw away one of her pies, she suspects the worst - that Rainbow Dash secretly hates her pies; Pinkie Pie attempts to catch Rainbow Dash in her web of lies.

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>>30377487

>>30379840
I can chalk that up to early installment weirdness. AJ's parents being implied head has been a thing for years (shooting stars at the end of Apple Family Reunion, the "If Ma and Pa were here" statement from AJ in Lost Mark). It's almost 0 chance of them being alive.

>>30380582
>It's almost 0 chance of them being alive.
They're clearly dead, but if down the line they get told "show them alive" by Hasbro, they won't have the choice to say no, and all that quality storytelling will have been for nothing.

would you fuck Pear Butter and cuck Bright Mac despite what could happen to the timeline?

What are the worst episodes of this season so far?

>>30381378
Fluttershy Leans In
Honest Apple
I liked this episode but I can see why people would rate Hard To Say Anything low

God damn episodes keep airing when I'm not expecting it. Sweet mother of fuck this is intolerable.

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Wait, doesn't this episode retcon Granny Smith being there when Ponyville was founded?

Not that I'm complaining. It was a stupid canon that placed her at hundreds of years old, since according to Twilight in the Winter Wrap Up episode, Ponyville was founded hundreds of years ago. This episode retconned it both in the scenes and in the fact that it canonized Granny Smith as being the grandmother, not great-great-grandmother or anything like that.

Granny Smith is officially retconned out of being there at Ponyville's founding.

>>30379662
Animation error or AJ took out two strings? It's still very possible.

>>30381606
If it has 4 knobs, it must have 4 strings. Unless some were removed

>>30381603
chalk it up to dementia

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this will never happen

>>30367647
fml that comic....

i had an autistic rage fit when i read this crap

i mean the original one the line celestia used is from

>>30372890
hmmm would be too easy than, huh?

just name your child "King slayer", "God" or "Pochie/Starlight"

>>30377316
it's easy, you're not emotionally invested

i fucking love every character of this show, i really do have emotional investment in em, like the majority of people who react this way

you're just a fan dude you're not lost in the world of candy colored horse pussy, you can still leave

>>30381603
plot twist: Granny Smith is immortal

>>30363574
Terrible storm ravaged Ponyville and other communities, resulting in a number of deaths, including theirs. This was the impetus behind the formation of The Weather Patrol.

>>30381764

But it did happen. At least in some point in time it probably did - so you can take comfort in that.

>>30382237
She is a highlander. She killed the young Granny Smith with the different hair

>>30381603
What if on Ponyville grounds was another village, but it was abandoned centuries ago for whatever reason (timberwolves?) and it's remnants were taken by the nature?

>>30381641

Or AJ couldn't afford new strings.

Either way, it really looks like she takes after her mom in music- of course, we didn't know till this episode.

>>30382354
Cute

>>30381603
How?

>>30363574
Nope, still alive

>>30368367
2 years into the future here, you are a brainless mouth breaking unbelievable faggot

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>>30363574
Was no one else put off by Captain Kirk's mumbling v.a. work? Honestly his voice acting is a bad as his acting.

>>30377457
Thats like saying kids hated the courage episode about the space squids, which is fucking bullshit because that episode gave me feels even back them

>>30383699
nope, dead

>>30381603
How?
In the zap appul flashback about ponyville's founding, she's young. As in, AJ young.
Then she gets bright mac, and she's already older, and it's totally plausible for Ponyville to have become much bigger by then (as seen in the flashbacks in this episode.)

Appleloosa got founded in a couple years, if we can believe braeburn.
And look at the size it was already.

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>>30363574
Died for this

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>>30384205
FUCK
SUNDOWN NO
NOT THEM NO
I CANT
she's too pure

>>30363574
How many people cried at the end?

>>30384336
bronies.

>>30384346
So everyone.

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>>30384346
So anyone that's been here more than a year?
Welcome to the herd, /v/irgin-kun

>>30383795
His VA work sounded just like a warbly old man filled with regret to me. His performance was part of the reason I cried.

>>30384663
This.
I never watched Star trek so I didn't even care about the guy.
But his voicework was 10/10.
I would've liked a slight stammer when he met granny at the end tho, like "I-I.. I never should've left" etc but his voice was perfect otherwise

>>30363574
My best guess is some sort of vehicular accident, be it cart, hot air balloon, boat or train. Would have to have been something that killed them both at the same time. I personally can't buy into the one died and the other followed after due to sadness or something. I would think that the survivor would be more dedicated to keeping the family together after the others death.

>>30367283
>"Whaddya mean all our misery was constructed for the entertainment of others?"

>>30363574
pesticide leak, Asbestos, Heart attack, cart crash as someone else said, the draft..

>>30377457
You underestimate kids, as do 90% of adults.

>>30384850
so basically "last action hero"

>>30363574
Don't you faggots read the comics?
http://naterrang.deviantart.com/art/Core-of-the-Apple-Part-3-385058908
They fell off a bridge to save Rarity.
It's why AJ and Rarara are besties.

>>30381764
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYDFnDr81JQ
"Our paths will cross again one day"
See?
There has to be tons of old rope bridges they can fall off of too.

>>30384126
If you're still looking, just check Desuarchive

>>30385515
Generally when someone says "the comics," they're referring to the official IDW ones. What the hell does some random deviantART have to do with anything?

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>>30384205
WHOA MAMA

>>30385629
They're all on the same level IMO.

>>30384205
reminds me that tumblr artist who draws avengers characters with fucked up proportions

>>30385633
>feels out of fucking nowhere

>>30377457
Dude Hey Arnold had some heavy episodes and even then I knew the gravity of their situations. When I was a kid.

>>30363574
>They're still 'alive'
>Somehow they angered Celestia bringing apples and pears to the castle.
>Their statues adorn the garden along with countless others who have displeased the Queen.