Drawfag Improvement Thread

It begins

>>30165352
make it stop
I can't take it anymore

>>30165285
So that being said, there's absolutley nothing wrong with drawing more horse-like ponies so long as you're consistent with your anatomy regarding a given subject.

>>30164737
So yea, feel free to include a detailed pastern in your anatomy, though make sure that you apply it consistently if you do. I.E. don't give one leg one without giving it to the other leg.

As for >>30164651 I say you would do well to add one to the left hid leg and then shorten them both by about half. As it is, they're a bit too long. Either that or remove it entirely. Again, the main thing is consistency.

Also, lengthen the cannon a tad and shorten the tibia a bit. The proportions are a bit borked there and they should be closer to the same length as the canon. Maybe just slightly longer. Not 100% sure there, so try it out and see how if it looks better.

If you do all that, make sure he has a neck, and make sure that the front legs and rear legs are proportional in total the rear legs should be just slightly longer than the front legs starting from the hip joint and shoulder joint respectively then you should be much better off.

Posting it here just to make sure they see it ^:)

>>30165367
This.

>You see people drawing good things in every thread but you're still unable to draw a simple pone

>>30165384
Post pics

>>30165395
No.

I'm tired of being called Zimbabwe

can i draw pony vaginas with this hahah xD lol hi

>>30165448
The problem is not drawing a pony pussy, the problem is drawing a pony

>tfw they used my borken drawing as OP

>>30165383
Thanks I will consider that.

but i just want to fap to the sweet pony pussy ahh yes (jerks dick) AMMAMMAMAMAMMAMAMAMAMA my little pagina xXDDDDEEEEE

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>>30165330
>>30165395
>>30165447
Never change, you fucks.

>>30165500
New OP pic?

New OP pic.

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>>30165447
are you me?

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I made this just to shitpost with. /ic/ is welcome

>>30165540
>She looks like she's in pain, as if she's being forced to smile at gunpoint
It's perfect

>>30165540
the jaw cast shadow should be rounder because the neck is round

her forelock is a flip-over much like Flutters' so don't put highlights on the inside

decide on a single light source and stick with it, right now you have at least three

treat the eye surface like the partial globe surface it is

her lips should cast some shadow on her teeth

treat single clumps of the hair as a single mass, the different hair colours don't magically repel each other into separate masses

the ear-ridge cast shadow shall not reach over to the opposite side, it may not be drawn out but the ridge does continue over the ear tip and into the inner edge of the ear

what is that mosquito shit on the outer ridge of her ear

her brow should not have such a steep angle, pony heads are round and this looks like a Neanderthaler

careful not to over-curve the neck's bottom line above the breast, looks like she has a legendary goiter

>>30165547
work on your lines toward longer smoother strokes

you can ghost the pencil over the paper where you are about to draw a line prior to drawing the line

or you can draw a feather-light pre-line to see if it falls as you want it, and then either draw with bolder weight over the pre-line or repeat the light-as-you-can-go pre-lines until you need to erase them or you find one you can follow

also try to avoid reverse taper on the neck and calm down on the ear size dpt, otherwise your pony shapes are pretty decent and we can work on those

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>>30165536
Fight me you fag

>>30165536
>>30165667
Seriously though, if you guys want critique just ask and I'll give what advice I can.

Can't make any promises about anyone else, but I promise I won't judge.

>>30165687
I literally need a "how to sketch" tutorial.

>>30165687
I wish I didn't feel like I need my hand held so much.

>>30165714
Shut up.

I have the drawing skills of an 8 y-o kid

>>30165736
And I have the learning capacity of one.

>>30165616

Thanks mate.

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>>30165700
First things first go get yourself some references of what you're going to draw. If you're drawing a specific character you should try to get pictures of that particular caracter as well as general references to help you with anatomy.

You can find dozens of references in the OP that cover the gambit of very simple styles and to very complex ones. Just pick and choose the ones that you think make sense and the ones that you think look good and work from those.

Now you just have to think about what you want your subject to be doing. If you're just starting out you probably just want to do something simple, probably them just standing still and staring forward.

Next you pick a perspective angle to look at the subject from. Again, if you're just starting out you probably want to start with the basic profile, frontal, or 3/4th's perspectives just because there's plenty of references for those and they're generally pretty simple to draw.

Next up you draw circles and other shapes to represent the general shape of your subject and to figure out where things go. When you're starting out you might find that it helps to have a of stuff to help you figure out just where things are located and get the proportions right. Though as you get more experience you'll find that you won't need as many as you'll just be able to tell where things go by eyeballing it.

Then you start building the subject around the shapes. Start drawing your outlines and getting everything set. At this point don't worry about the consistency or continuity of the lines, it doesn't matter how many strokes you use as these are just temporary lines. Just make sure to draw these lightly if you're using pen and paper so that they're easy to erase if you mess up or want to change something.

Once you have everything in place, you put in proper lines. Use more pressure and try to make these lines as continuous as you can.

>>30165813
Oh, and don't forget, if you think you're having some sort of issue you can post your progress here and ask for help.

You don't have to have a fully finished drawing to post here, so even if your drawing is only half finished feel free to ask for help. So long as you're at least considering any critique you're given and show that you're making an honest effort to improve and push yourself a bit people won't begrudge you for it.

That's what these treads are for, after all.

>>30165813
>At this point don't worry about the consistency or continuity of the lines, it doesn't matter how many strokes you use as these are just temporary lines
I don't get it, I see some people saying that this is a bad thing to do, but others say it's okay to do.

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>>30165547
>>30165634

To add to this, if you're like me and despite best efforts still do tens/hundreds of little chicken scratch lines instead of long smooth strokes, get one of these Non-Photo Blue pencils (or really just any light colored pencil). Then do your bold, smooth strokes after you've worked out the shape you want in light blue.

Then when you scan your picture just adjust the levels or whatever and get rid of the blue without affecting the rest of it.

>>30165835
For a sketch it SHOULDN'T matter THAT much.

When you're sketching something you're really just trying to figure out where the lines are going to go. So the consistency isn't super important. Just remember to use a light touch if you're drawing with a pencil and paper so it's easy to remove those lines later, or if you want to change something.

Would it be better if you could do all your sketch-work with super smooth and consistent lines? Yea, probably. It gives you a much better impression of how things will look on the "finished product". However, it isn't strictly necessary.

That all being said, when you're just starting out it's not the end of the world if you have to splice a few lines together to figure out how some curve works. Then when you have it down and think it's right go over it again as smoothly as you can.

The thing is that "drafting" a shape and "drawing" a shape are two different things. Do what you got to do to "draft" the shapes and figure out where they go, then once you do that be super careful and "draw them in"

Once you get more experience you'll find ways to avoid using chicken scratch to draft, or you'll find ways to work around it like >>30165880

>Tfw you erase so much you rip through the paper

>>30165907
I know that feel. When you improve you won't have to erase as much.

Or alternative, you can do what I did and never improve but buy thicker paper

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>>30165907
Ugh I know that feeling all too well. Just trying to fix one last little thing and then

>>30165935
Oi you cheeky cunt, that's cheating

>>30165938
Enjoying physics?

>>30165907
I almost literally did that once, and on 120g paper no less.
Sometimes I erase a lot.

>>30165938

Learn to draw lighter or draw with pen so you wont be tempted to erase. Kneaded erasers are good too because you can just lift the material from the paper without having to rub it.

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>>30165956
What you gonna do about it, bitch-boy?

>>30165968
GET ON MY LEVEL

For realizes though, this shit is awesome. It cost me quite a bit, but having the luxury of being able to make mistakes and correct errors is fucking great

>>30166003
> It cost me quite a bit

I bought the exact same watercolor paper from Wal-mart for $5.

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Okay, so I'm pretty sure I fucked up on the neck with this
How do I make her not look like E.T.? And please point out what other mistakes I probably made

>>30166030
Ayy lmao
Her nose seems too small and the upper half of the head is too egg like, which makes her forehead big.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong though

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I was just drawing/copying this from bugplayer. Not finished though
Give me shit/tell me what's wrong and how i can make it better :) (if you are so kind, of course)

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>>30166058
This is the original btw

>>30166012
The exact same?

Like, you got 60 pages of it for $5?

This is the cheapest I could find of it at Walmart so yea.

>>30166048
How do I make it not look like an egg?

>>30166058
Why have you made a photo of screen. What the...

>>30166030
you're trying to depict a pony, using human facial planes

also you're trying to get out of drawing a proper nose/muzzle

>>30166141
This is a human

>>30166058
Your eyes aren't level and her front left eye isn't really faceted correctly regarding her position.

Your muzzle is thicker and longer at the snout and not as rounded than your refrence, if you want to go off reference then that's fine but you'll have to rework the face a bit to make it look good with a different muzzle.

Her front legs seem to be melting and your back leg doesn't right. For the latter try to connect the thigh more to the body like you see in your refrence.

You should also try to post a screenshot or post a version of the file you're working on instead of taking a picture of your computer like a geriatric. At the very least if you're going to do that shit turn your fucking phone so we can see the whole subject you mong.

>>30166030
>>30166102
Please provide refrence or tell us what you're trying to draw.

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>>30166150
Sorry, it's supposed to be Adagio

>>30166058
>>30166066
don't use references that are anatomically bad

>>30166122
Becauae it's in my ipad ._. And i took the picture with my phone

>>30166161
Are you going for your own style or are you gonna try to replicate EQG's style?

>>30166221
You don't have a way to port pictures from your ipad to your computer?

>>30166093

Didn't see the 60 pages part. It's 25 but it'll last me a while since I only use watercolor on it.

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>>30165938

>>30166237
Shouldn't ipad be able to take screenshots of his own screen like every fucking computer? it should be possible to post it from it.

>>30166150
Thanks for the feedback
Forgive me for the horrible picture, it's 4 am, i need to sleep

>>30166257
Not him, but honestly I understand where he's coming from. If you already have the thread open on your phone it's easiest to just take a picture and post. He'd have to take a screenshot, navigate to the 4chan thread on his iPad, and then post. Which could take like up to 2 minutes.

>>30166242
Ok, I got mine for about the same price per page then.

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>>30166290
My god that's laziness peak

>>30166231
Shit, I'm not sure. I guess sort of both, but mostly show style? That seems to be how my pony pics and previous EG pics have been.

>>30166284
It's fine, dude, we've all been there.

>>30166290
>Take hours drawing on your tablet
>Need help
>Can't be fucked to spend the extra two minutes to post a screencap/file of your drawing and just take a picture of it like some sort of...

I don't even know what kind of something does that, I can't finish my implying because I'm pretty sure any group I picked would be insulted here...

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>>30166315
I just sketched on top of the drawing and tried to fix the problems, tell me if I succeeded or not.
(Also I took the time to open safari on my iPad)

>>30166442
That's why I bought a tablet with windows. Fuck android and fuck ios.

Muzzle looks a like big potato. Have you tried drawing this from some construction or you just traced lines?

>>30166544
>>30166442
Also, try to mirror it and then redraw it.

>>30166442
Take a second look at pretty much everything. Arms, legs, muzzle, eyes, body and so on.

I'm curious as to what app this is, doesn't look like Procreate to me.

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>>30166442
I started going through this and then I stopped when I realized that there was too much to go through.

Your anatomy is kind of fucked, brah. You're taking a picture that has the subject at an angle and trying to translate it to a profile picture and it's not working. Take a moment to figure out where this horse's spine and hips are and how they connect to the legs and torso and how all of that connects to the neck and head.

Also you have the trim of the hoodie kind of tucked into her thigh where it should be draping over her thigh and her lower back a bit before falling under her torso.

Just what >>30166578 said, take a few steps back and start working forward again more carefully.

>>30166578
It's adobe sketch, it's free

>>30166544
The drawing itself wasn't traced, but i traced the red sketch from my drawing (and also i tried fixing up some bad parts)

>>30166652
Thanks for the angry tavi XD
I'll try and fix the position so it looks good
I haven't got any photo editing tools because of the app, but i'll just do the thing over again.

Thanks everyone for the feedback <3 love y'all

>>30166717
If you can spare some change, I recommend you get Procreate. It's only a few bucks and is seriously amazing in every single way. Hands down one of the best art programs on any OS.

>>30166900
I considered buying it, buy i think i'm gonna buy astropad and draw directly on photoshop on my pc

>>30166942
Do as you see fit, Astropad's supposed to work great. I'd get it myself but I don't own a Mac. Might try to run it in a VM some day or get myself a Hackintosh setup.

>>30166310
>>30166231
Not to seem impatient, but are you still here?

Could someone explain what the deal is with construction lines? Because I was constantly told to use circles and bones to give my drawings structure, and Derpibooru even told me to include more of the skeleton. I was told to use the Imgur gallery, which is full of skeletons and such, and most of my construction lines are directly from the tutorials in there. But now they're bad, apparently?

>>30167061
The point is you are making almost same stuff over again. You have to use less contructiion lines as you progress. Circles, boxes, rollers, they are I would say essential but other stuff should become more intuitive. You make a circle, you make a box and on this you see a pony you want to draw and you draw it. Don't be afraid of it being bad, even terrible. Try something new. You draw a lot of Twilight. Make her fly, read book under a tree, drink a cup of tea. Whatever, bring some life and be more spontaneus.

>>30167052
Sorry, I missed your comment and then stepped out.

But yea, if you're mixing styles just go for it and do a few mock ups to see how it goes. I honestly can't give any critique on something novel without seeing how it looks with more flesh.

>>30167061
Did you see >>30163891 by the way?

>>30167247
Okay, but I'd still like advice on the neck, 'cause I'm not so sure it's a matter of style the way it is right now.

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>>30167200
>>30167247
Stop replying to shitposters.

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>>30167367
It's hard to say, it might be more something to do with how your head is constructed than the neck itself. The head is very round and that kind of makes it look weird.

That being said, I don't claim to be a big expert on EQG stuff I've never been that big a fan of the design desu so you might be better off getting someone else's opinion for more specific critique.

Maybe try to find more references. Googling "EQG base" seems to get a lot of relevant results.

>>30167403
I have hope that we can get him to play with more stuff and get better still.

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>>30167447
How does this look? Better? Worse?

>>30167667
The shape is much better. Now just work on your lines.

>>30167667
You're wrapping the eyes around the sphere of the head instead of the flat face

bap

>>30167667
ayy lmao

>>30168789
Okay, how do I not do that?

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>>30167667
If you're still reading this 13 hours later, here's a pretty good beginner's reference sheet for EQG. It doesn't really go too much into the actual anatomy though, which if you're going to draw EQG you really should have at least a very basic undemanding of human anatomy. But you can definitely draw pretty decent EQG stuff without being an expert at human anatomy, since they're so simplified/stylized.

If you want to start making them look a little more realistic though (kinda anime-ish) then you'll definitely need to know more about human anatomy. And it's just a good thing to learn/know in general. See the "Drawing Books & Videos" link in the OP post at the top for lots of stuff. Or just google it.

>>30170822
>>30170801
Wow that was pretty amazing timing. Anyways looking again at that reference I posted, it really doesn't cover the head in any detail which is what you're specifically asking for help on, so it might not be so helpful right now. Sorry.

>>30170822
>>30170835
It's okay, it should still help. Thanks!

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ignore this, don't delete

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>>30170843
After searching a lot more, what I posted is the really the only EQG tutorial/reference I could find that actually specifically mention the head proportions even though it doesn't go into much detail.

For more you probably just want to look at basic anime/manga style girl heads since that's more or less what EQG heads are, just more simplified.

>>30171008
Thank you

I'm starting to think that I'm actually retarded, in years of practice I improved so little, while I see people go from shitposter level to commission worth level in like 3 months

>>30171154
commission level is still shit anon. People who don't know art are just buying stuff from decent artists because it's cheaper.

>>30171164
with commission level I mean that I'd commission them, not that they take commissions

>>30171154
Post your stuff and lets see if we can fix that

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>>30171199
I don't feel like posting stuff that could be linked to my accounts on other websites, so the only thing I can post is this, my finished drawings are usually rendered, but I don't have anything like that that I can post now

"Plugh."

>>30171240
I would

Going to try and doodle a pony for the first time (as in, not just half-assed)
>Wish me luck

>>30171240
As a bit of a novice myself I don't see anything wrong with that picture, though rather stock.

It's just a standard model standing pose deer sketch with a standard non-expression face. I mean, the muzzle could use a little work, though that's probably just my personal opinion since I'm not a huge fan of that muzzle design.

Since you said that you don't want to get revealed for whatever reason I'm going to assume that you're unwilling to post something with more substance then? As it is, if you're intentionally hiding elements of your design to protect your anonymity it's going to be very hard to give you any sort of critique whatsoever.

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>>30171791
Could I get a critique on either? I don't mind!
(Derpy is best Pony!)

>>30171927
Cute

>>30166058
For what reason? Learn basic pony anatomy and actually understand how to draw ponies. It's okay to look at others' art for reference, but you aren't learning anything by redrawing someone else's picture.

>>30171927
why are you scratching so much. Let the line flow.

>>30172536
Not them, but I can never get a smooth line

page 10 emergency bump

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I tried drawing a pone with fewer construction lines.

>>30167403
A friendly reminder

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Okay so besides the linework, how badly did I fuck this up? I think I should have made the head smaller.

>>30172536
But it makes her look fluffy

>>30173351
no it makes her look badly drawn

first off ponies aren't teddy bears, their coat isn't uniform all over

secondly
>muh intention
==
>muh style

and thirdly, there's a world of difference between chickenscratch and how a seasoned drawfag depicts fluffiness

>>30171927
Like the other dude is saying, I can forgive the scratch for a sketch, but if this is a finished product you need to go over everything and redo the lines properly.

>>30173339
Your head will look better with hair, though feel free to make it smaller if you do want to go for a more realistic set of proportions.

You shoulders are, however, too big and your hips are too small, unless she has something she's not telling anyone about.

>>30173594
>You shoulders are, however, too big and your hips are too small,
Gah, I've always struggled with that. I even made a conscious effort to try an make the hips big enough. Any advice?

If you really struggle with it then draw vertical lines up from the hips. Try to keep the hips and the terminal points of the shoulders approximately in line for a female character or even have the shoulder be inside that.

Most women's shoulders will fall at or within the vertical line, unless they have a very broad and heavily built stature and even then their shoulders won't fall outside of that line by very much.

>>30173738
Meant for >>30173618 obviously

>>30173738
Terminal points?

>>30173768
Point where shoulders ends and the arms begin

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>>30173901
Pic related

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>>30173901
>>30173906
Like this? (hips also widened)

>>30173952
Yea, that's much better already.

>>30173964
Okay, thank you so much.

>>30173339
Hips should also usually be wider than the ribcage for females, otherwise it gives off a very muscular, mannish vibe.

>>30174000
>>30173952
fuck, just noticed you addressed it somewhat, but they're overall too small in general. Everything hips and below would benefit from being upscaled.

>>30171816
>standard model standing pose
That's one of my main problems, my brain can't conceive poses, I always fall back to boring ones

>intentionally hiding elements of your design
I'm not hiding anything, it's just that I don't have anything to post that I haven't already posted elsewhere

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>>30174014
Dammit. How about this?

>>30174095
>>30173952
>>30173906
>>30173339
What the fuck is wrong with you? Go study human anatomy.

>>30174401
You guys have helped me before, what's the problem?

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>>30174414
eqg anatomy is strange and never really looks that normal. I suggest doing normal stuff before you look at it.

your biggest problem is everything above the waist being too big, and the legs being too small. General art would be letting things still exist in space. Like, letting the army completely disappear or the eye completely go away instead of partially showing.

body = 1.5 head. Legs = 3.5 head. Make neck tiny, waist is 2 baby necks. Arms 1/2 neck and long?

I really don't draw eqg, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

>>30174474
>>30174414

oh, I also noticed that the feet tend to be really similar to hooves. They all tent to have knee socks that curve pretty easy into a universal boot shape.

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>>30174474
Well, shit, does that mean I have to throw out what I just did?
>I suggest doing normal stuff before you look at it.
How long would that take?
>General art would be letting things still exist in space. Like, letting the army completely disappear or the eye completely go away instead of partially showing.
Sorry, can you dumb that down a bit?
>>30174508
No, actually they do have "normal" feet.

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>>30174561
>general art
I think he means learning the human form realistically first before attempting to stylize it. In fact you really ought to just learn it the realistic way in the first place. Realism first then stylization.

>>30174561
>Well, shit, does that mean I have to throw out what I just did?
No? just keep a copy and you can look at it later.

>How long would that take?
I dunno just go on schetchdaily and rip about a few basic figures before working on projects? I'm still learning things about stuff.

>Sorry, can you dumb that down a bit?
Like, moving stuff around in a weird way to avoid drawing them? kind of like hiding hands behind the back. I dunno, Its usually without thinking about it. It kind of happens on the head, the center-line is different than the body, and the nose is pushed forward and up?

>No, actually they do have "normal" feet.
MMMMMmmmmmmm

>>30174669
Yeah, its not a checklist either. You can play around with everything at once.

>>30174669
That sounds like it could take a really long time.

>>30174474
I apologize but this is not a redline, it's just a redraw. You just drew your own pose on top of theirs with no anchor point. Like you should have matched the heads up or the legs or the torso. Right now it doesn't help them but if you put them side by side it will

>>30174669
Don't listen to this moron. There's no need to learn to draw super realistic before you do cartoony.

>>30174915
Art is a lifetime of study and application. Nobody gotgud by doing nothing. I was drawing the CMC as metal gear rising characters, you find ways to amuse yourself while you learn.

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>>30174922
yeah, you have a point. Should I get rid of the big one entirely for redlines? Or is it better to always have eveything?

>>30174968
Please post your mgr cmc

>>30174968
>lifetime
What have I gotten myself into
>>30175005
Aw, Christ, I didn't think it looked that bad, but now...

>>30175037
Just have fun doing it when you can, m8. You'll get there eventually if you put in the effort.

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>>30175020
it's not very good anon, I can't into armour for shit at the moment and there's a good dozen things wrong with it but here you go have Babs as Sundowner

oh god it's worse than I remembered

>>30175060
Kek thats great
>GOOD OLE DAYS AFTER 9/11

>>30175043
I wanna put in the effort, but holy shit this seems a bit much just to be able to draw cartoon girls as a hobby. Unless it's like >>30174933 says? I don't know who to listen to.

>>30174070
Don't think about it like you're trying to put your characters in a specific poses like you're operating a puppet, but think of them being thinking, living, breathing things that just happen to be doing something that puts them in unique poses.

Try to think of a narrative to follow and the form should follow after that. It doesn't have to be something complicated, it can be something simple. Like maybe when you're drawing a Pegasus imagine them crouched low down to the ground right before the shoot into the sky, or imagine a Unicorn digging their hooves into the ground and straining while they try to cast a spell they've never attempted before.

Including simple props or even other characters can help with that too. Like maybe you could draw Twilight slouching over some old tome while she pours over what's inside, or Pinkie Pie giving some poor Pony she just met a crushing bear hug.

That's what I try to do at least. When I'm trying to draw something I don't think of myself as an artist as much as a photographer. I'm just capturing a moment of a story in my mind's eye one line at a time onto the paper.

Does that make sense?

>>30175105
I'm inclined to agree with >>30174933, although with the caveat that you should still get a baseline understanding of how actually anatomy works and how your drawing deviates from it.

>>30175005
No, what you have is fine. I need to make a guide to redlining. I very much do appreciate your help though!

>>30174887
Well, it's really nice to see you try new poses, so I'll definitley try my best to give some critique here. Though I won't say anything about the anatomy or form itself as I'm not sure if there's much I can really say, and there are people here who have a much better grasp of that stuff than I do.

Again, like a lot of your stuff this feels very sterile. I could probably write that up to being your style, but I think a lot of it is down to exactly how you have Twilight posed here. Yea, sure, it's exciting that she's doing a one hoofed sort of hand stand, but instead of being organic it's pretty mechanical.

The position of her rear legs and front right arm I swear that's actually a technical term are all pointing in different directions, but they're all on the same plane. Yes, she could probably balance herself like that, but unless she's doing yoga it's far more likley that you'll see her with her legs and arm splayed out in all directions around her center of balance to try to help keep her stable.

There's actually a refrence I can give you straight from the show where Twilight is standing on a single front hoof during her song in the Crystal Empire two patter and you can pretty clearly see her doing what I just described.

1/2

>>30174887
>>30175201
Same sort of thing with the face, eyes, and her general expression. She's smiling and looking forward, and that's all well and good, but it really doesn't give us any context, much like a lot of your pictures.

I guess she's happy or excited or something? Alright, fine, but what exactly does that have to do with this pose? Is she so excited about something that she spontaneously kicked her hooves into the air and is balancing on one hoof in a moment of acrobatics? That's cool, but reflect that in something else in the picture if that's the case. Again, look at the refrence, you can see her tail waiving up behind her clearly signifying motion. You could do the same sort of thing with her mane and tail to show off motion if you wanted to.

Or maybe she is doing yoga? In that case maybe it would be more appropriate to have her screwing up her face in concentration.

Just in general try to think of a purpose for your subject doing what they're doing try to reflect that as best you can using everything.

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>>30175201
>>30175216
Forgot pic, because I'm incompetent

>>30175235
you're drawing what you think you see, not what you see or you'd realize all your angles are off

>>30175248
?

>>30175258
okay the imaginary line that goes from twilight's chin to her foremost hoof should be longer and the angle should be a bit more clockwise.

>>30175265
That sounds nice and all, but you should probably address that at >>30174887 and not me becuase I didn't draw shit, senpai.

>>30175311
I was answering your ? but okay
>>30175235
read >>30175265

>>30175357
The reason I posted the question mark was that I was very confused as to why you were replying to me specifically saying that all MY angles are off when all of >>30175201 >>30175216 >>30175235 isn't my drawing but a critique on >>30174887

Just a little confused on why you decided to reply to me instead of the original post, forgive my autism.

>>30175363
I'm sorry, I think I just got confused. All of my comments were meant for AFH
>>30174887
read these: >>30175248 >>30175265

>>30175111
That's really cool,
I will definitely try to do that, thanks

>>30174887
The smile looks fake

>>30175877
It's obliviously not real

>>30172536
Ii scratch because I have weak wrist joints that result in unstable hands which makes me have to use a stabilizer on max (which 'lags' the line to the point of unwanted bends) to get even a remotely smooth line, sorry about that
>>30173351
This isn't me, and that isn't what I was going for
It was just a sketch to get the basics down

>>30176042
You're obviously retarded.

>>30176174
This Anon is obviously right in his statement

>>30173456
Thanks for your input! As I stated, I understand the coat formation, they weren't meant to look 'fluffy' like the other Anon said, it was a sketch not a finished product, and I get what you mean with the 'mi styul xxd' thing, It's just how I draw ponies without having religious references to go off of.

>>30173906
>>30173952
The figure you drew looks like it's supposed to be in a shitty flash game. Practice makes perfect!

>>30176450
>Practice makes perfect!

It's funny,
the more I draw, the more I think that that's bullshit.

different anon here tho

>>30176481
If you keep pushing yourself forward and like your art less and less maybe you're coming to the point when you're actually seeing what's wrong with it and you're ready to improve on it?

>>30176499
I never liked it to being with, and I still have the same problems I had when I started

>>30176331
>It's just how I draw ponies without (...) references
>just how I draw ponies
>my style

admit that your linework is terrible and own it you liquid fart

>>30176511
It's not unusual to despise your art and yourself. Maybe even normal. For me it is

>>30176535
Yup, I know it's shit which is why I'm asking for critiques

>>30176563
Just go over your lines again and smooth them out for a finished product.

It's literally the simplest thing ever.

>>30176648
>>30176097

>>30176710
So you have some sort of defect with your wrists then? That sucks.

Have you tried doing exercises to strengthen them?

>>30176097
Use your elbow as a big fucking wrist

>>30176731
Yup, have physio but it only really reduces pain/ shaking by a bit, it kinda sucks but I get by

>>30176745
Lock your wrist to your forearm with a couple sticks and some tape. Draw with your elbow instead.

>>30175105
What >>30174933 said isn't wrong, you don't *need* to know how to do perfect detailed realism to draw cartoons, but you do need at the very least a basic understanding of the fundamentals. These include, among other things, a basic understanding of (human) anatomy.

>>30176745
>>30176753
You could try this, or maybe get some wrappings or something similar to help you stabilize your wrist. There's bound to be something out there that can help you, and if you need to, get inventive.

>>30175877
>>30176042
It's because her eyes aren't smiling. She looks a bit insane because her cheeks aren't raising her eyes up because of her smile

>>30172495
lol, do you even draw? this is a very good way to learn.

hell, to be a good artist you need to learn ur shapes and develop muscle memory too, so trace some circles, body shapes n shit on paper. just grab a stack of paper, trace a shape over, pressing your pencil or pen tip hard on to make a groove, then trace over that shit in the most comfortable hand position you can. Make sure that you get a feel for what the movement your hand makes along the line! then just draw that shape in one go next to it till you can do it easily enough to not use help.

copying and tracing are good exercise if you're a beginner. later you'd want to develop your own style n shit, just make sure you know how and what to learn. if you learn the basics then u can just do your own thing. you know, whatever at that point, learn new things n shit. copying a piece would be kinda sad then cuz you should be happy with your own ideas and style.

>>30172495
but yeah, that pony's anatomy is completely fucked, lol. can't learn by repeating other's mistakes.

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>>30172495
>but you aren't learning anything by redrawing someone else's picture.
Seconding what >>30177091 says(especially the part about do you even draw), master studies actually really do help you learn new techniques, learn more about the medium you're using, and understand fundamentals better.
>>30177100
Oh no, he's retarded.

>>30172495
>but you aren't learning anything by redrawing someone else's picture.

If that were true people wouldn't be doing master studies of paintings. You learn a lot by copying other art. From what makes their art appealing to what their process was. It also helps anchor your frame of reference and helps you develop better tastes. Having good taste is such a huge part of making appealing art. If you have shitty taste your art is going to look bad to the majority of people and usually for good reason.

>>30177266
This

bump for gainz

>>30175201
>>30175216
Thanks for the critique. I'll try drawing my next drawing at a smaller scale, to give her tail more room to move around.

>>30175235
I didn't think her hindleg could bend that far.

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>>30179818
To be fair you probably don't want to have it bent that far, but just try to make your subject more active when they're doing acrobatic poses. Also, just in general try to put more emotion into your facial expressions.

>>30179818
>>30179859
Oh, and to be clear her leg in the refrence I gave isn't "bent" forward as much as it is hinged out to the side, like she's doing the splits in the air.

>>30179859
Besides using the tail to show motion, what else makes a character look active?

Also, how do you come up with poses? I don't want to draw one from a reference, because I don't think I'd get much out of that at this point, but I keep drawing a blank when I try to think of new poses.

>>30179974
Read >>30175111

>>30179899
Yeah, I figured that out when I noticed which side her hock was on. In that case, it doesn't quite seem connected properly, like her ass should be stretched out more.

>>30179995
Yea, they animated that bit kind of lazily.

To be fair to the animators, though, it's like a quarter second frame and she's partly obscured by her magic.

That's one of the things about using show references, the animators do a good job, but they have the luxury of using a lot of shortcuts becuase in the actual episode a half second of pose work isn't going be as scrutinized as a still drawing that people will stare at. So you just have to be that much more careful with it.

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>>30180016
Oh, I had a question about shading. When shading a large area, is there a proper technique to get a consistent fill? Because I've been shading in strips, but that ends up with dark areas at the edges of the strips, like these.

>>30179990
>>>30175111

>tfw you suck at writing stories too

>>30180088
That's something you'll have to ask someone else as I'm not super experienced with shading.

You can probably just look up shading with a pencil or gradient shading with a pencil and find people with youtube videos talking about it though.

>>30179974
Stretch and squash. Plasticity of shape. Look at real moving horses on video for once. Look at photos of horses in motion and ask yourself, 'what is making me convinced that this is a living breathing moving animal, and not a lifeless sculpture in the shape of a horse?'

it's called studying

>>30180096
Again, it doesn't have to be something complicated. It could be something simple like they're bending down low to inspect something on the ground or talk to a foal, or craning their neck to the side to look around something.

>>30180088
that depends on the pencil, what are you using?

>>30180088
instead of fussing over a minor detail like that you should be worrying about correct light and shade to depict the 3d form

>>30180088
stagger the bands, make shredded wave strips instead of straight strips with well defined edges

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>>30179974
I don't mean to "show off" or whatever, but I drew this picture of FS and RD running on a trail a couple years ago, and you can see their hair moving and body parts moving and mostly anything remotely loose on a character should be bouncing up and down.
>>30180124
Also this

You guys never learn, do you? >>30167403
Just stop already.

>>30180240
Hey Redline, I'm the anon with the weird muzzles. Shading is absolutely depressing to learn. I just can't figure it out, not sure where to start. Should I just do what I did with lineart and just watch youtube tutorials? I just don't know what to do to even get started because everything I try to do just looks like dirt stains, with more dirt towards the area that should be shaded more.

>>30180285
start with strongest cast shadows and a simple common light direction

for a very basic exercise, paint a smooth rounded object

then the same but the object has a lump

then the same but the object has a rounded dent

then the same but someone bore a neat somewhat large hole in it

then the same but now it has a conical little horn

then the same but the lump isn't smooth, it's covered in large lizard scales

Also you can't use outlines. Only shades of grey.

>>30180285
Can you give me an example of your work?

>>30180285
Also you're probably shading with black which you should never do along with using the burn tool

>>30180582
I'll try doing this exercise. Thanks anon. I feel like going from this to pony body will be like going from elementary school to medical school, but getting SOMEWHAT of a foundation should be good, right?

>>30180702
Unfortunately, I lost the edit of my WIP where I attempted to be more "aggressive" with my shading, but it ended up looking so bad I had to go with the "make it so opaque and general that no single mistake will be shown, although its all a mistake" thing I do. I'll post that latter version however.

Edit after error: Ok, so for whatever reason, I can't save the pictures. I'll troubleshoot and get a picture out to you shortly.

>>30180703
Nope. The burn tool was something my old high school Media Arts told me was "a lazy cheat", plus I learned you wanna use darker shades in conjunction with a higher level of saturation.

spank the bump

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Alright, I really tried to go hard with the shading, but I still feel like my lack of a foundational understanding will make it lack hard in that department. Regarding the fucked perspective with the pyramids, that was intentional, it was in reference to something else, where I liked the goofy perspective that was in it.

Please go easy on me kek, spent the whole day working on it. I still know it sucks.

Posting low-res version, link to the full-res version if necessary: http://ashtoneer.deviantart.com/art/Twilight-Anubis-683065027

>>30181721
I don't really understand where the light source is coming from, is it supposed to be in the top left corner?
>>30181670
well it's something different, I give you that. still really stiff though

>>30181851
It -SHOULD- be coming from behind the pyramids, but in the ref pic, there was some lens flare

>>30181851
What do you mean by "stiff", exactly? She's supposed to be kind of locked up in fear, just waking up from a bad dream.

>>30181905
You should probably explain your intention behind the drawing when you post it, because people aren't usually going to immediately know the context.

>>30181923
Good point.

>>30181721
Twilight seem really emotionles for me but the pose gives the feel of action. It's wierd... I can't explain this.

>>30182158
I hear you. If it helps, what I was going for was a "stoic" pose kinda thing. Just kind of standing there in the wind all intense and what not.

>>30180760
The thing about foundations is that when you have them down, drawing anything else becomes insanely easier.
Good art is 80% experience with foundations, and 20% concept and creativity. So don't stress about the jump from foundations to pony, as that's the easy part.

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>>30180760
Okay well I'm glad you know about proper shading but I don't know how to help you if I don't know what you're trying to work on?
>>30181893
>blaming reference for bad choices
Come on mate, I know you're better than that. Also you don't need to use lens flares; they're really lazy and don't add shit.

Work on your values including the edges of certain shadows and highlights. They shouldn't always be soft shadows. I did a paintover because I was bored. I think the hair is weird although I know it's Twilight and her hair is ridiculously weird to draw so I'll give you a pass on that. I also fixed some of the anatomy but I know you and you're gonna hate the muzzle or something so that's fine with me, I just wanted to give you an idea of what to go with for values mostly. I also made her look less bored but I hadn't seen what you wrote below. I also fixed some of the anatomy because her neck was broken and all her limbs were like latex glove fingers :( Pls don't take this poorly though, you're not a bad artist I just know you can do better
>>30182170
>I was going for was a "stoic" pose kinda thing. Just kind of standing there in the wind all intense and what not.
I didn't see this before I started this so too bad!

bumpd

>>30181721
>go hard with the shading
>randomly put some black all over the place
You need to learn the basics.

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>>30182263
Alright great. I'll try to get through that drill and see how I do. I figured the hardest one will be the very first circle, so I'll probably be coming back here as I do it (whether I get to it tonight or tomorrow morning). Definitely nice to hear that it could be easy to apply it to complex shapes once you can do it to basic ones.

>>30182465
Seeing the way you were able to easily shade that muzzle is admirable. Maybe I really should switch it up.

>blaming references for bad choices
Well, that was just what was in the picture I was trying to specifically reference, so I figured I'd just go with the reference, you know?

>shouldn't always be soft shadows
The problem is every time I do a hard shadow I feel like its wrong so I pussy out to a hard shadow with high opacity.

>the hair is weird
It was an attempt at making the hair react to the wind. I would say that I think I have her -normal- hair down, but it's also possible I don't. This was definitely a first-time experiment though with the wind hair.

>neck was broken
I agree, could you elaborate a bit?

>limbs were like latex glove fingers
I don't understand, could you elaborate a bit?

But absolutely I'll be trying to change up the muzzle so that shading is much more applicable. I'll try to keep it as close as possible to my original one, but I'll try to mold it as much as needed to the one like in your picture so that I can shade. I hate to admit it but I subconsciously knew I would never be able to shade with that muzzle.

>>30184390
Imo the sphere is the simplest. It's just a very straightforward and consistent change in lighting.

>>30184458
True, but I still feel like going from bad shading to proper shading on a sphere may be much more difficult than going from proper shading on a sphere to proper shading on a sphere with a dent in it.

>>30184478
I assure you it sounds scarier than it is. If you keep at it and keep your mind active(as in, try to figure out why an element doesn't work, instead of just worrying about 'making' it work), you'll achieve the shading.

>>30184390
>I figured I'd just go with the reference, you know?
Sure
>hard shadows
Broski, I knowski. Trust me I only recently improved my own stupid pillow shading garbage and that's because I took chances and studied how shadow played with multiple light sources or with multiple objects, ya dig? You gotta let go and figure out the sweet spot. It's hard to tell you HOW though, other than I guess I could do a video next time to explain what I'm doing as I do it; those usually help the people I'm doing them for.
>hair
That's understandable. I mean like I said you have to break some rules and experiment to get things down and you learn more from failing than doing it right so I'm not like "upset" or whatever, it just looked odd - but again, her hair is the most difficult to draw, hands down despite it looking super easy.
>neck was broken
>I agree, could you elaborate a bit?
Well the one you had drawn looked sort of like a Swiss army knife that was in the middle of going back down in it's place while mine was angled out more? Fuck I can't explain that well, haha.
> latex glove fingers
Basically the limbs looked like they had no bones underneath because of how curved they all were.
>shade the muzzle
Hey man don't be too hard on yourself (that's my job). You know why I was so harsh on you? Because I know you can take it, use it, and throw it back in my face with a "toldja I could do it". So I'd love to see improvements of any kind

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>>30185581
>>30184390
>neck was broken
>I agree, could you elaborate a bit?
Ok, I made pic related real quick so I hope that explains it

>>30186530

>>30187303

>>30185581
About pillow shading. What exactly is it? I think I got the idea but when I try to search for it everything is about pixel art so I really can't be sure.

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>>30188984
Here's a good explanation

>>30189206
So it basically comes from not defining a light source.

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Twilight's supposed to be leaning on a desk and looking at something on her hoof.

>>30189593
Alright, then draw that scene. Start drawing backgrounds. Break out of your comfort zone. You've made lots of improvements so far but placing your characters in a real environment is the next logical step.

>>30189593
So why haven't you drawn a desk and something on her hoof?

>>30189628
Should I draw the pony or the background first?

>>30189647
Ideally, first you'd draw the background, then put the pony in that scene, because then the character is a part of the scene instead of the scene being drawn around the character. It looks more natural.

>>30189635
Twilight's actually a mime. :^)

>>30189647
From personal experience, I tried doing subject (pony) then the background. That made it harder than the other way around, especially when you have to deal with perspective.

>>30189647
Always draw the background first and make sure your perspective is perfect.
>>30189680
This
>>30189521
It comes from like, not doing dark enough values and yeah, not defining a lightsource that isn't from the viewer's eyes, if that makes sense.
>>30189593
You can tell us what she's supposed to be doing all you want, but we'll never know because you didn't actually draw it. Do try to add backgrounds and objects that you intend to be there

>>30189593
I'm not entirely sure about her arms. Something seems off about them.

>>30189742
You gave her too many joints

>10

>>30190597

>>30171240
Face and body look front on, but hooves look like top down, like the hooves are hanging freely.
Learn how to plant down those hooves with proper perspective. Which means you probably don't know perspective much in general, and is the reason your pose is so boring. Get out of your comfort zone and draw some overly dynamic poses with crazy foreshortening and perspective.

>>30171927
You changed the correct perspective of the tongue with one of a side view.
In addition, your style looks like every other style of pone which I personally find mediocre. when you make the pony less curvy, you not only remove personality, but you remove the hints of anatomy, such as the chest not just being part of the neck. Lack of anatomy and style is what causes something to look novice. I'd personally try to put some personality back into that, keeping your skinny anatomy or not.
You also removed the proper feathers of show style (coverts, primaries) and added a cat ear. If you're trying to add detail, try making it more similar to a horse's and keep real life in mind to base off of.
Something even more purely personal opinion. I'm not really a fan of upping the detail on the hair and making it ragged and fluffy. It's again, a very common trick by beginners to try to add some realism, but it conflicts too much with the rest of the body. It's like all those images on DA of photorealistic eyes, then you check their gallery and they can't draw a whole face.

Page 10 pls go and stay go

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>>30193752
>>30193758
>>30193784
>>30193790
Cry more, Petea. Is spamming our thread the best you can do?

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>>30193790

>>30193817
>>30193818
good luck earning your new invite, champ

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>tfw petea will never ever get another invite to the Discord

>>30193852
>to ANY discord
>>30193841
>>30193851
Your art is such garbage.

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>>30193851

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>>30193851
>calling any of these art

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>>30193876
Stop being a bitch, pete.

Heya, whats your guy's opinion on trying to learn how to draw using vectors? I have some difficulties with fine motor skill due to a childhood sickness, bit im determined to learn to draw regardless.

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>>30193876

>>30193883
as long as you practice to get better, and take critique in a mature and constructive manner, I don't think anyone will really care

>>30193883
Vectors are fine, but you're gonna need to put in a lot of thought to make it look good. Just never stop trying to improve and you'll be fine. Don't get complacent. Complacent gets us abominations.

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>>30193894

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>>30193929

>>30193929
Great, you've ruined my waifu.

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>>30193973

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>>30193817

yes

He's gonna cry crocodile tears after this I bet.

>>30194020
>yes
That's actually really sad then. You poor child.

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>>30194028

nope

everyone knows i'm an unstable douchebag

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>>30194041
Might wanna work on that personality then.

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>>30194041

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>>30194074

>>30193883

You dont need a steady hand to paint and draw imo. You just need to know where to put lines to create the illusion of depth.

https://youtu.be/O202Ctz4J-Q

Mark criley did a left handed challenge to basically prove that having a steady hand isn't a requirement in art. Patience and knowledge will take you a long way.

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>>30194088

>>30194138
She looks like a pig

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>>30194138

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>>30194182

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>>30194231

i am retarded

>>30194041
>unstable
>douchebag
either you have issues to handle with a licensed professional or you're refusing to grow up
possibly both

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>>30194382

both

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I tried drawing some expressions. Any bad practices I should correct?

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>>30194659
Irritated looks more like angry, and sarcastic looks kinda drunk

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>>30194681

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>>30194739

How much does the quality of the thumbnail when planning a drawing matter?

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>>30195105

>>30195510
thumbnails are for ideas and figuring out the basics of your composition and pose, quality is meaningless as long as you can 'read' it to the degree you need

>>30195619
Okay, thanks

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>>30195642

>>30195688
>COUSIN! LET US GO SMOKE AND THEN BOWL

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>>30195688

irregular heartbump

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>>30196615

How do I avoid drawing stock angles? I can't really seem to understand how to treat a face as if it's actually 3D.

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>>30197022

>>30197031
Oh yeah, adding to this: pony heads are more of an ovoid than a perfect sphere, right? How should you rotate them? Would using a 3D modeling program as reference help?

>>30197061
I believe muzzle is the biggest problem here. Try to draw a box on a sphere where you want the muzzle to be and try to refine it into actual one.

>>30197031
>>30197061
>>30197045
>>30197022
Samefag. Fuck off Petea. Go back to scribbling Piggy-Pie on your kindergarten notebook.

>>30193818
>>30194138
>>30194231
>>30194416
>>30194739
I like this ones from you petea, I believe you can do so much better if you try to be more careful with your proportions, what I can see from your art is that you seem to be having fun while doing it which is the first step toward being very good at something like this, lots of people here seem to ignore that.

>>30197253
Quit talking to yourself, it's pathetic.

>>30197147
Wait, what'd I do? Who the fuck is Petea?
>>30197143
So does the muzzle just give the illusion of an oval shape from a front view then? That might be why I was confused.

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????I forgot /mlp/ doesn't believe there's kindness of any kind

>>30197316
It's not /mlp/ it's Petea. He's butthurt because he got kicked out of like 10 different Discord chats for being an immature piece of shit to the point where he's been banned that many times and that's why he's spamming THIS thread in particular - because he got banned from THIS board's chat.

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First time drawing pone in months. I know this is a small shitty sketch but is there anything obvious I'm doing wrong here?

>>30197461
>anything obvious I'm doing wrong here?
>4032x3024
>rotated

>>30197461
Well, for one, it's sideways. The top of the rump is usually at the same level as the bottom of the chin from this angle, isn't it? Also, you might wanna draw a bit larger.

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>>30197461
Fuck, I don't know why the image came out rotated. Also cropped it a little.

>>30197478
Can you draw something larger? It's hard to help when I can hardly see the face

>>30197478
They're looking at something off to the side, right? Why isn't their head at least facing what they're looking at? There are situations where people look at things like this, but...

>>30197478
For one. draw bigger, or use a more precise tool to draw smaller, the drawing won't be clear otherwise.
Second, remember that the main body resembles more a bean than an egg.
>>30197448
K, then, Since I dont follow discords I didnt know anything was going on.

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>>30197477
>>30197486
Here's something a bit bigger. I'm not very good with larger drawings.there are already a couple things that I've just noticed now that I finished.

>>30197560
Fucking hell why does it keep rotating

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>>30189628
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/mlp/images/e/ec/Applejack_collecting_bits_S01E03.png
I struggled to think of a background, so it ended up kind of generic.

>>30197615
Holy shit, you're both retarded.

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>>30197615
Let's see if this works.

>>30197606
Her eyes are kind of expressionless, and her head feels unfocused and flat. Kind of like if you just rotated the head on a Flash puppet.
>>30197615
Pfft

>>30197628
Thanks. No idea why it kept rotating, it showed up just fine on my phone.

>>30197606
three front hooves?