Drawfag Improvement Thread

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>>30233125
Fill this chart out with artists that you like. It doesn't have to be neat or even filled out correctly.

Say something nice about them!

HARDMODE
Set a short term goal for yourself based on what you like most from one of the artists.

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>>30233165
>jpg
Downvoted, unsubscribed, reported, and submitted to the FBI.

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So, I followed Anon's advice on the old thread and this is what I managed to do

>>30233305
Did you think about your life choices?

>>30233326
Yes, and I realized it needed colors so I colorized it

When do I know I've got the anatomy down?
When I can draw a pony in any pose, from any angle?
Any guides on perspective? I've got enough of
90 degrees side views.

>>30233165
This is a hell of a chellenge.

The only influences I have are the guys who wrote the books I read (Villpu, Robertson and 3 more who I don't remember), a bunch of websites, videos and tutorials aswell as this thread and my art senpai.

There are two other things that come to mind:
James Gourney and some dutch dude that drew landscapes ages ago.

And for a goal... I would like to finish one of the pics I want to draw but to do that I need to get gud and to do that I need to stop being shit. So much for short term...

>>30233178
What the fuck is this bullshit about sizes. Why would I put something so small in so big frame. I am a moron and don't get it.

>>30233305
You know, looking back at it I really wonder how I did to butcher something that looked so simple to do

>>30233305
>>30233673
I love her expression though. Its smug aura mocks me, like "I bet you think you can do any better, faggot". I think you did good for what it is.

>>30233165
Pff not an official challenge but I'll allow it

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>>30233165
Won't go over everything But:
>Belyukin
>Weistling
>Adamson
Those color contrasts. Fuck me they make me diamonds without fail every time. No matter how much I look at their work I fall in love all over again.

>KJG
Who doesn't suck this guy's dick?

>Leyendecker
I like how he adds so much more form to his stuff with how he renders clothes. The way he renders in general is very nice. Again, who doesn't suck this guys dick?

>Bouguereau
Crazy work ethic. Would paint THICC and scrape away whole parts of his shit if he wasn't feeling it.

>David Roberts
Actually don't like his paintings, but his under sketches have pretty crazy values and detail put into them.

>Schmid
His brush strokes are fucking pretty and he has crazy skill, not to mention his book is the only physical art book I own. Good shit.

Short term goal: Getting more comfy with rendering, but I want to go back and get more comfy with general lines and sketching and generally build more spatial sense as I do it. I feel like it’s barring a lot of creative freedom.

>>30233872
Well thanks

>>30233483
Basically you practice until you think it's fantastic and you'll plateau and realize you aren't as good as you want to be and then the cycle starts again. This isn't a bad thing as long as you're makin gains. Just go on youtube and google "drawing perspective " and you'll find something.
>>30233650
I've never done one of these, buuut basically, let's say your favorite artist you look up to is Bob McBobface. You would find your favorite piece and give it like, 3x3 boxes. And let's say another artist you enjoy uh Jane McJaneface, but you are only slightly inspired by her so you'd put a piece of hers in a 1x1. Honestly I'm not going to bother because it's too much cut and paste bullshit

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So here is mine.

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I have a question:
Who is Petea?
And what did he do to get kicked out of the discord?
>Pic related: rate

>>30235274
body seems long
needs refinement

>>30235274
>discord
How retarded are you?

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>>30235493
Clearly you've been living under a rock if you don't know what Discord is.

>>30235462
what type of refinement?

>>30235524
I obviously meant the fact that you're using it for this thread.

>>30235570
Did you read my original post?
I was asking how he got kicked out of the discord. I never said I use one for this thread.

>>30235753
he got kicked for his conduct and attitude

>>30235797
Ah, ok.
Was it the >Drawfag Improvement chat

>>30235841
If he joined it it's more likely than not that he's kicked from there. Dude gets more kicks than a ball game.

Am I not fit for this kind of art? A lot of times when I ask for help here, even when people seem to simplify things it still seems too complex for me to understand.

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Yo R, any tips to painting? Trying to "render" all of the hair has really been stressful.

>>30236817
Alright. I'll make a video in a bit. third world internet a shit though.

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>>30236817
https://sendvid.com/y8jm6x6t

>>30239567
Wow, that's really useful. Thanks anon.

Yeah so, can somebody post a link to the improvement discord, the one in the op expired. Thanks

bumpin

>>30239923
join the drawthread discord first and make yourself known, DFIT discord has scouters there

>>30240392
Gotcha, thanks

>>30240300

>>30241286

>>30240392
>Join another server to get scouted out to join our server
That's some pretty impressive autism, Anon.

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http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/mlp/images/1/11/Fluttershy_sniffing_S4E07.png
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>>30241855
chill your pants Pete-A

>>30238309
just got to watching
thanks a lot, R

>>30243234

>>30244514

>>30241964
Nice

a9ain

>>30241964
Hey! Nice one! I like it.

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did another one of these

>>30247957

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>>30233125
Looking for something like this, but for Luna.

>>30250172
I've seen one but I'm not sure where
Looking in the OP Pony Imgur Gallery, this was the only one I could find and it's really stylized:
http://i.imgur.com/X7aPA4a.png
Maybe someone or me could do a Luna study

>spend time actively trying to learn stuff
>feel like it accomplishes nothing, get sad
>try fucking around with stuff I haven't even looked into yet and don't know how it works properly
>having actual fun drawing
>end up liking that fucked up thing more than the main thing even though it's obviously not great
Explain this bullshit.

>>30250843
>>having actual fun drawing

You answered your own question.

>>30251900

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I just switched from SAI to Krita and everything is awful. How do I turn on stabilization? I found like 3 stabilizer buttons but none of them work as well as sai's

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>>30252897
fucked up my pic somehow

>>30252778

>>30252897
have you really not googled this shit?

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>>30254172
somehow this side of the horn is partly illuminated but still throws a cast shadow perpendicular to that side

>>30254172
I've never seen someone who went BACK on their gains as much as you. If you weren't so annoying I'd feel bad for you

>>30252897
>switched from SAI to Krita
just why?

>>30256011
upgrading

>>30254223
>>30255011
When will you learn to ignore that attentionwhore?

>>30257277
https://youtu.be/ChyZrWg3jdw

>>30257933
for gainz

>>30254172
>>30250663
>>30241964
Afh, I hope you realize that by posting in the mlpdrawingschool subreddit, you're not going to suddenly get mountains of praise for your six months of hard work. Despite everyone here on /mlp/ being mostly assholes all around, we HAVE been giving you legitimate critique. "Looks like engineering drawings," " now is the time to take some artistic liberties and experiment," etc., etc.
Only difference is that people on that subreddit *might* be slightly more polite. But you're still going to get the same advice.

Also, your picture with Twilight smelling the flower >>30241964
is by far your best so far. Keep trying different expression, but you have to stop relying on rigid guides.

>>30258725
Exactly.
>>30254172
See how you fucked up hooves?

>>30258725
also "engineering drawings" is not a good thing when you're drawing things that are supposed to be living and organic

>>30258864
Yeah, the person on the subreddit who said that they meant "engineering drawings" as a good thing was just being overly polite. It's that type of faux kindness/flattery (which is very common on many MLP sites...) can result in bad advice. At least /mlp/ is blunt about it.

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>be me
>get into 3D drawing/sculpting to make gainz and as a kicker animate it so other people could benefit from pony in 3D from different light sources and angles
>work 12ish hours on pone
>fucking programm messes shit up
>google a lot
>find better way
>work 12ish hours on second version
>misclick
>it resets, deletes and saves

>>30256011
windows is the devil

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>>30259058
I will fuckin' use playdoh for 3D!

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something something crit me

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>>30233305

AWAKEN CHICKUN

>>30259245
yo zim how you doin

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>>30233305
C H U N K Y
H
U
N
K
Y

>>30259314
>>30261390
Glad to know I'm not the only one to suck

>>30260975
I must have crit, or else I will be dealt with

My rhymes are sick with memes, you'll so get to crit with how thicc the drawing is.

>>30262944
lol u mad u got kicked out the chat

Is coffee the greatest enemy of drawfags? I'm literally shaking right now.
But it's ok because after roughly 3 weeks I think I finally figured out how to draw hind legs, I'm happy with how they turn out now.

>>30262230
We all suck anon, there's just varying levels of suck

>>30263145
>figured out how to draw
pics or it didn't happen

>>30263145
Nigga, how much fucking coffee do you drink that you're shaking?

>>30263258
2 half a litre cups of strong coffee.
>>30263250
No, I'm still trash, just wanted to blog post about my little victory. I have a clear idea what to work on right now, so I'm not posting my stuff here.
I they're just less blocky and more slender.

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>>30259245
Ayyy

10

boop

>>30263668
>tfw when they call your art looks like an alien when all the ponies look like alien horses.

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>tfw try your hand at drawing something but you're shit
How do I git gud?

>>30265398
You work hard until you drawings are not shit.

>>30265398
1) learning to draw what you see and not what you think you see.
2) working on anatomy
3) use references
4) >>30265611

fuck

>>30265644
fuckin this ^

>>30268673

>>30270050
Interesting, but me no undastandu.

>>30270738
It refutes an oft-linked limb reference and the cross thing is about facial planes

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As for goals - work on past challenges (expressions/7days)
get atleast one of the pending pictures to a presentable state is there such a thing as finishing a picture?
git gud

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>>30271810
there's no such thing as finishing a picture/essay/thesis

there is only something the elderfolk in my family call the triple P: Pannaan Paska Pakettiin

for you language impaired folks, this means essentially "Wrap That Shit Up"

whatever you're working on, once you've reached the acceptable quality, keep tabs on how much you think it can be improved and how much effort and time and resources will be needed for that improvement¨

the longer you polish it the worse the potential quality vs effort cost relation will become

and at some point, although you could still fix a bit of this and that if you wanted to... you must make the decision to Wrap That Shit Up and call it done.

>>30271810
I suppose publishing a picture that you feel is good enough to rarely touch again could be considered finishing it.

Does anyone know if there is some sort of drawing practice collection with poners in various poses and facial expressions? It's kinda tedious to browse through 4chan and derpi etc. and look for not too complicated images.

Some of the tuts in the starting post are alright, but I feel I need more.

>>30271810
>is there such a thing as finishing a picture?
git gud
Things don't need to be perfect, they just need to feel perfect. When you're done with something try looking back at it the next few days and see if there's anything you'd like to change while working on other things. If you can look back at it with fresh eyes the next day, and the values, composition still feel maximum comfy based on your own tastes, it's done and you're gunna make it.

>>30273436
Again.

>>30271511
can't see nothin m8

>>30274942
open in new tab? works perfectly on my Opera

>>30274986
it didn't work the firs time, thnx

>>30275015
you can look it up at source by the filename

sorry I don't have anything of substance to ask about but still bump

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Fuck my shit up.
Please.

>>30277905
Honestly the only thing that bothers me is the arm coming out at us because the lower arm is too long. You can keep it how it is if you just put the joint closer to the viewer

>>30278076
I feel stupid for it but I don't quite get it. You mean move the arm to face the viewer more?

>>30278190
give me a second

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>>30278190
Uh, okay well this is what I meant. sorry it looks like shit, I had to do it with a laptop touch pad

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>>30278247
Oh, I see, thank you. Does this look better?

yeah looks good

>>30271943
>the longer you polish it the worse the potential quality vs effort cost relation will become
hmmm

>>30271953
>picture that you feel is good enough
>ever feeling good about your stuff

>>30272532
>git gud
I will tr-
Will do

>>30278321
Her ass is weird.

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>>30279310
I think the buttpicture was too high.

>>30277905
I want to see how you think her hind leg goes. Draw on top of the tail or something.

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>>30279834
Something like this I guess.

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>>30279935
missing some joints there bub

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>>30279485
something something

>>30279993
>>30280038
I see it now, thanks my dudes.

thank you thread

If I'm practicing humans, should I do standing poses before sitting poses?

>>30272532
your not gonna make it

>>30282839

>>30233892
this is actually good shit, thanks for the new art inspo!

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Would someone be able to give me some advice on how to make linework kinda like pic related?
Like what kinda brushes to use and settings for them. I'm using photoshop CC

>>30285745
hard round brush, size to pressure

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>>30285745
>>30285859
This, plus clipping masks over the line.

>>30285942
or the lines as a clipping mask

>>30285942
yop this

>>30287461

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>>30285198
This actually seems like a step forward from your usual stuff but there is a long way ahead.
Keep working, I believe in you.

>>30288561
https://youtu.be/rcjpags7JT8?t=47s

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>>30288679
come on! it is an upgrade...

“Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow.”
― Plato

>>30285198
try including the neck next time

>>30289980

>>30291180

...

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>>30288561
Am I on the right path?

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>>30293137
>>30293315

better
your skill level is great to be at because pretty much any improvement you make is a big one

here's a basic way to get into the hind legs

- rump + thigh + gaskin make a teardrop shape
- the front curve carries on a bit to make the corner of the hock
- a parallel of the back curve carries on to make the front line of the lower leg
- back line slightly deviates from athe front line's parallel to make the leggently flare out toward the bottom

>>30293384
I drew it with my mouse though

>>30293419
I draw with mouse too, your point?

>>30293500
I've got a tablet and don't use it.

That's stupid.

>>30294346

git

page 10 save

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Hi guys, I just decided that it's time to learn how to draw...this are my first two attempts to draw a poner. Can i get some hate and advices?

bumpu

>>30299415

>>30285745
Looks like this was drawn/sketched in SAI. Use a pen tool in SAI with "Min Size" set to zero, and Hard <-> Soft set to a number over 100

>>30297399
If you're viewing a cartoon pony from the side, the hind legs and forelegs should be on the same respective plane. Using a ruler would help

Also, take your time with lines. Feathering your lines is the best way. Take a few pieces of paper and try drawing a hundred circles until you get a feeling for pressure, and for your drawfag wrist and hand movements.

>>30297399
Don't draw with your wrist but the whole arm instead. It makes the circles rounder.

>>30300708
How do you not make your lines go all over the place? Or is that just practice?

>>30300708
You can do it either way, it just depends on preference.

>>30300722
Definitely practice.

And more practice.

Don't forget, more practice.

Practice so much that the word "practice" makes less and less sense and you lose your mind. Once that happens, you are an artist.

>Commit to filling up entire sketchpad by the end of the month
>Not even halfway through June
>Only last few pages left
The gains are here, feels good to be new. I'll post some when I'm done with it, if anyone wants to see.

>>30302096

boop

bop

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Don't remember if I shared this or not. Crit pls.

>>30308286
Pretty cute. You should try some more dynamic expressions, as well as showing off some mane sketches. Do you have any complete works?

>>30308286
You're still trying to copy somebody else's drawings.

>>30308309
Proof? Also, nothing wrong with that if it's not traced and it's practice sketches. It's a great way to learn.

>>30308320
>Proof
We found it in the previous thread.
>It's a great way to learn
No, it's not if you don't understand what you're doing.

>>30308341
I haven't seen the previous thread, so I can't really judge until the poster responds. If you're correct, though, that's really sad.

>>30308356
This is his "proof" >>30200351

>>30308341
>We

>>30308370
Are you serious? They're nothing alike.

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>>30308389
I've even said they are different. All I got was "and?" I think it's not worth to even bother with all this "you copy someone" stuff.
>>30308286
You do very cute pone. Can you do more? Maybe something more complex?

>>30308286
your cheeks are lopsided
outer cheeks are large and protruding
inner cheeks are flat
fixthis.mp3

flip it horizontally, might help you see it

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>>30308286
>pic related

How the hell do you draw a hug in a first-person view

>>30309894
Uhm... ok? I tried to imagine what you have in mind and I can't. If you're hugging someone all you see is their back if you look down.

>>30309940
fuck

>>30309894
Do you mean maybe someone reaching out to hug you, not the hug itself? Otherwise yeah it's just someone's back.

>>30310005
Does that mean there isn't a good way to make the viewer be hugged by a character besides animation or maybe a two-panel comic?

>>30309894
>being this virgin

>>30310052
It's possible if you're the one holding someone, like at your chest level and looking down. But getting hugged yourself probably means a very limited field of view which still can be used if you make it clear what is even going on in the picture (so the viewer won't get confused by the view of someone's back or side of the head without context).

>>30310102
Sorry that I don't get hugged a lot.
>>30310113
That chest level thing might work. Thanks.

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I made 3d poner

If someone wants the file it is here:
https://ufile.io/favux 170mb blender file

wanted to export it to an object file but it was too large (1GB) sorry senpai ;_;

Rendered a camera moving around it but the shades are really dark
https://ufile.io/w5nvj (7mb)

i know its not perfect but maybe it can help someone

What size tablet would you guys suggest for a 17-inch monitor?

>>30311451
Screen size is pretty irrelevant for tablet size. I recommend medium size at minimum for anyone. Probably don't buy a big/fancy one until you have drawn/painted enough to know that the investment won't go yo waste.

>>30311502
I asked, because the question came up before and everyone said it depended on the monitor size.

About how big is "medium"?

>>30311662
can't remember measurements but my medium Wacom is about three postcards/hands worth of drawing area, comfortably fits an A5 notebook

my hands are medium size, a bit small for a guy and quite large for a gal

if memory serves, sister's large is four to five postcards, closer to A4

>>30311451
Just get a tablet of the same proportions and you're fine. It's a natural adaptation

10

>>30311662
It does depend on monitor size. My 17" laptop works great with a small tablet (Intuous small [aka new bamboo (aka older graphire)]). I also have a medium Intuous and they're almost the same size and it makes it hard to control what the fuck I'm doing

>>30313834
I have the smallest wacom, I work on 23" monitor and everything is fine. I worked on an old 4:3 and it seemed to be fine too. I had to calibrate work space to match 4:3 ratio. I even pluged it to 10" tablet with windows. Was little weird but worked. I am kinda forced to have the smalles because I have little work space. But I think of changing to medium size.

>>30313834
>>30314019
So wait, does the monitor size matter or not? I have bamboo and an old 19" monitor, thought about getting something bigger, it won't fuck me up if I'm used to that size or anything?

>>30314129
For me it doesn't matter. Maybe for someone else it does. I think it's more personal.

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>>30310998
If you save as .obj I can probably take a look at it. Can't into .blend mate

>>30313834
>>30314019
>>30311662
pic related might help?

>>30310998
>>30314588
Nevermind. I can't read. RIP Maybe I can try getting blender. It's free anyways.

>>30314129
It counts if you can't draw because it moves around too fast on a tablet and if your tablet is too large, then your tablet will run slowly around the screen

>>30310998
>>30314588
>>30314594
tfw my favorite site for temporarily uploading videos without having to sign up is kill. Will have these temporarily uploaded on DB from now on.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1nv7kikzwkehno6/2017-06-16%2001-23-21.mp4?dl=0

Also, saving didn't work. Zbrush crashed as I was trying to save it. It was all too good to be true. Laptop a shit. A SHIT.

>>30314588
>>30314594
>>30315355
thank you senpai!

>>30316051

>>30317401

>>30310998
A bit of criticism here:
Legs are a bit too short compared to the rest of the pony, and most importantly...
Holy rears batman! The buttcrack in that pony is enormous! (from this angle you should still be looking at the spine, no buttocks involved)

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> Be me
> Be aspiring young autist/artist
"Garsh, I'd love to draw everything I want. I wouldn't even have to buy stylized shit anymore, I could do it myself!"
> Start to make shit
> Actually looks pretty good.
"Not too bad, me."
> "Ehem."
> I'd recognize that sound anywhere, it's my life-long artistic rival...
> Inner self-doubt
"What do you want, Inner Self-Doubt? Don't you have some girls you have to make me frightened to talk to?"
> He walks menacingly towards my creation.
> "You know... Her eye is misshapen and her left boob looks strange."
"It's Adagio Inner Self-Doubt. She has no breasts."
> His argument is shattered, his voice stutters to make time, his eyes dart around the picture to find a flaw.
> He can't
"Well... Isn't there something you want to say?"
> So much edginess I can feel the 2009 Naruto Linkin Park AMV's on Unregistered Hypercam flowing through my veins.
> His head rises
> An evil smirk forms on his face
> "Nice try Anon but she does have breasts, you were masturbating to them LAST NIGHT! You and I both know she has A cups!"
>mfw

>>30320071
I feel really uncomfortable when I look at my drawing and can't find anything fucked up about it on the first glance, so I look closer and closer, and then I start thinking that maybe I'm missing something and I've just looked at it so much I can't spot anything, and then that everything about it is actually shit but I'm too bad to notice.

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This looks like the place to drop off my unborn fetus. I'm not much for anatomy but working on this made me realize I can create a silhouette and fill in the details later. Not now though because im still shit hence no legs, this wasn't even meant to be a pony pic. I just wanted to announce my epiphany.

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>tfw suffering is all you will get in this universe

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>>30320942
While drawing was still fun I made an oc

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>>30321311
I hope you don't mind but I basically painted over and redrew/redlined your dude. Basically, never shade with black, use the burn tool, use the dodge tool. Do more accurate antomy/sketch

>>30323056

>>30322014
Isn't it kind of an unspoken rule to never completely redraw someone's artwork when critiquing? It seems pretty rude, if you ask me.

>>30320071
Heh

>>30323685
No one asked you, fag. If it's all shit, it's shit.

>>30324349
philosophy should be discussed here more often

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>>30323685
I was bored and wanted to show how highlights worked and pony anatomy plus I got carried away and I know that. However, I can redline or redraw whatever I want and so can anyone else as long as they're trying to help. Hell I'm not the only person with this problem here.
>seems pretty rude, if you ask me
No one asked you.

>>30324349
> If it's all shit, it's shit.
Also this

>>30323685
>somebody takes extra effort to point out an artists problems and show them the rightest way to improve
>my feeeeeelings

nobody gives a fuck about your feelings

>>30325428
Diffrent Anon, it is kind of rude because it's really hard to take critique from a redraw without just copying what they did completley.

Though I'm sure you understand how that works , or at least I would hop that you do.

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>>30323685
>unspoken rule
nigger this isnt /soc/ or /lgbt/ take your unspoken rule shit right the fuck out of here. this is /ic/ but with horses, be happy someone took the time to show you why your drawing was shit instead of just insulting you and sageing it

>>30322014
I actually thought the black shading looked good there because to me implied that the lighting was coming from an explosion, since those don't really cast well diffused light and tend to leave one side looking very dark and the other side looking very well light.

Though that's just my personal opinion.

>>30325513
>black is fine
lol no

I can see why this thread isn't very popular.

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>>30325513
Shading with black will at best look boring and at worst kind of dirty in the majority of cases, normally you want to use darker colors instead.

The use of black is generally limited to ink techniques and black and white painting.

>>30322014
Original """"""artist""""" here, thank you for your help although I question the muzzle on your redline
I do tend to put legs far apart from each other, the pose just feels unstable otherwise.

And please ignore minor shitstorms people start out of boredom.

>>30326739
You are most welcome and I'm very glad it can help you! Yeah I just do like, "show style" muzzle for male ponies. Your own style isn't terrible or anything, just fix those darn legs!

I want to draw something again but it's 32 degrees right now (or around 90 for you american friends)
It may not sound like much for you but I live in the middle of Russia and I'm not used to this kind of heat.

Sweaty hand doesn't slide well on the surface of the tablet.
Not comfortable at all.
All I can do now is

bump

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>>30328315
wrap hands with this or like, put a bag of frozen veggies on it

>>30328315
27C here, I just went on a pleasant trip to buy art supplies and a new sketchpad

>>30328315
>>30328686
23C here, but with miserably oppressive pre-thunder moistness

>>30328315
Thank god we don't usually get this here in northwest Russia. It's 25 degrees here, been happily drawing all day, get well soon friend.

>>30328727
wow the place where I live used to be northwest Russia

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Have you ever bitten off way more than you can chew but still couldn't back off thinking you can make it work and ended up hating the entire thing? I've been "working" on this here thing for WAY too long and I'm just tired now, feel free to pick it apart, might as well turn this into a learning experience because I had zero idea what I was doing 90% of the time.

>>30328889
it looks great desu, you're being way too hard on yourself

>>30328973
do you suck all dicks this wantonly?

I just went through 3 inches of papers that document my progress in drawfagging (shit i threw away not counted)
I think I have improved. A Bit
Being good would. Beaawesome
Buti i just. Wantttobbe okay
How long until i make it to not shit? -

>>30329507
show your shit and we'll take a look at it

but generally, the tighter you gag your ego and the more you work your brain the more you can progress in any span of time

>>30328889
Arms are too close together even though they're spread, rght arm has too much foreshortening, wings are way too high so they'd be a little above where the gold dress ribbon is, I'm not sure if she's supposed to be attempting on pointe or if she's supposed to be on pointe so I guess make that better. I like that you took the time to do reflections on the floor.

>>30329911
>I'm not sure if she's supposed to be attempting on pointe
I was going for this I guess but I have no idea how to indicate that properly with hooves so I went with the static figurine look which doesn't probably reflect how it should be for real.
>foreshortening
Fug, I knew it.
Thanks as always mate.

>>30329576
Not if I'm zimbabwe

>>30329989
I can very quickly show you how to do it better next time, gimme 5 minutes anD I WON'T REDRAW IT OKAY

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>>30329989
Okay so all I did was show you were the action lines were and basically you stay on that kind of curve. I can't explain it atm but you can google it and there'll be a fucktonnah videos

>>30330102
I'll research it, thank you. Definitely should've used an action line right away for something like this.

>>30330118
Hey man it's cool. Not everyone came from like, an actual art education so don't feel bad. Just learn some fundamentals

>>30330003
zimbabwe isn't a hopeless drawfag, he's a troll trying to bait drawsenpais, and actively tries to stay just as shit as he can

look at afh, even he's managed to improve slightly even though he might very well be somehow retarded in the visual cortex

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>>30328889
>>30329989
>I have no idea how to indicate that
maybe try a reference, bub

>>30330599
But what about when she's "trying" to do that, meaning she's not doing it properly and needs help, how would you show that?

>>30330656
it's not possible to stand en pointe on anything other than a straight leg and they won't even let you practise it before you have the skill and strength to pull it off

but:
- you could have her slightly tipping over, i.e. standin on a straight leg but out of balance
- you can adjust the arms as you like, your original bend in the right arm shows insecurity but it was growing from her chest so I changed it
- you can lower the lifted leg closer to your original angle, but bear in mind that the leg should be turned so that its median line is pointed sidewards because that's essential

>>30330819
Alright, sounds good. Thanks!

>>30330141
fundamentals....

>>30328889
>attenshionwhoring
>please praise my art

>>30333729
Everyone needs some attention

>>30333729
>I know jackshit about art so when someone below moderate tier looks at their stuff objectively, I think they're attention whoring,

>>30271511
I still don't get it. Doesn't it still mean you're practically copying the thing? How do you actually learn something you can use in other drawings from this particular one you study?
And when it comes to referencing other art, if there are "good" and "bad" references how do I know which one is good if I myself don't know much about how it works properly in the first place (hence the need for reference)?

>>30334446
>, if there are "good" and "bad" references how do I know which one is good if I myself don't know much about how it works properly in the first place (hence the need for reference)

You learn what a "good" or "bad" reference is over time. The more you draw, learn and study the more you come to realize what your tendencies and tastes in art are. There is such a thing as having "shitty" tastes though so it can be a delicate thing since this is all subjective. The best you can do is get critique and surround yourself with other artfags who will slap you on the wrist when you use a bad reference or draw something that looks like shit.

To me a "bad" reference can be something that is too stylized (the artist who incorporates a lot of their imagination and tastes or tend to break anatomy as part of their style). In this case it can be very detrimental to copy from another artist who stylizes too much because you can't get into their headspace and you dont know who their influences are. A "good" reference would be something that incorporates good anatomy, color, or perhaps another artist who DOES stylize a lot but its a style I admire a lot and want to attempt to emulate for study purposes. You can borrow from other artists when it comes to style but try your best not to be some bastardized copy of that artist because others will be able to tell (either through shitty anatomy, color choice/etc.) Believe me when I say that other artists can tell when you lack certain knowledge and are just being a copy of someone. Especially from another artist who is popular. Pull reference from multiple artists and acquire a variety of tastes.

Figure out what style you gravitate towards or what medium you like. Keep in mind this is a process that can take YEARS. In the mean time you can focus on drawing a lot and studying. You'll figure it out along the way if you just keep pushing.

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>>30330003
>>30330227
>zimbabwe
Who the fuck are you talking about?

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>Pull out sketchpad
>immediately hear steps behind the doors

>>30337408
The skatchpad is haunted!
Burn it!

boop

>>30338717

>>30335856
great advice
>>30337408
own your art, own it!!

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So I've tired drawing Celestia's face in front view and since nothing's happening right now I might as well post it and ask if you see any glaring issues.
Just note that I'm barely a month into drawing pone, which you can probably see clearly. I hope the image isn't rotated
Aaand I forgot the image itself

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I tried to draw a pony from a picture before I went to work today. It's not much but it's a start, am I right.

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>>30341908

>>30343175
Seeing as it's such a basic thing I probably shouldn't have asked here, but still thanks anon.

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>>30342860
look at this

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bump

>>30347036
this desu senpai

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>>30350095
ohh
I don't have this one

>>30350710
http://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/art/Drawing/Ken_Hultgren-The_Art_of_Animal_Drawing.pdf

Have a whole PDF.

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Whats a good way to draw muscle on pones? Like the chest and legs without going too overboard? Im getting bored of drawing these noodle legs the pones have

Is pic related good?

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>>30350973

By looking at actual muscle on an actual horse, mate.

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>>30350987

Look at real horsies too so you know what you can exaggerate.

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Been looking to inprove on my work for a wile, i'm perfectly fine at drawing body's but i can not draw a mane for the life of me.

Could really use some help on that, not only on horses but on humans too. it's one of the few things i just cant draw at all.

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R8 me plz

I put a solid 25 mins in this one
Fuk my shit up senpai

>>30351946
what's up with the bulbous growths on his head

where are his ears

are you aware that the head and nostrils are in frontal view, the nose and neck in side view, and the mouth in 3/4ths view

>>30351016

u-unf

>>30351848

>>30352466
>kek
Those bumps were the ears

Thx for the honest feedback. Im not the best a positioning and u pointing it out will help me be more aware of it now

>>30351169
I like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SYIPBS2F0k&ytbChannel=Ahmed%20Aldoori

>>30353164

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>>30351946
You're a fan of anime aren't you? While in most realistic drawings I would agree with >>30352466 it seems a bit unessesary to be as rigid on those elements when going for that kind of stylization.

What I do recommend you is to increase the contrast in that drawing of yours, from the thumbnail you can barely recognize what it is supposed to be.

What did you work on today, Anon? Did you git gud?

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>>30355170
Honestly not much, I've been doing a bunch of quick paintings these days but nothing that would be considered anything else of a wip or sketch painting.

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Here's another one I started a couple minutes ago
>>30355395
>>30355170

>>30355395
>>30355471
neat

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Just uninstalled all of my vidya, time to grind fundies again

10

What to do when the "why even bother" point is reached?
>why even bother with posting your art online, no one cares. Just try to draw for fun.
>why even bother with drawing for fun, there's practise and improvement to be done before that.
>why even bother with trying to improve
>why even bother with drawing at all

>>30360416
Realize that nothing in life matters and just do what's fun. You need to ask yourself why did you start drawing in the first place and compare those goals to what's important to you right now.

>>30360416
>why even bother with drawing for fun, there's practise and improvement to be done before that.
Practice should be fun anon. You can't treat it as a chore.
>why even bother with posting your art online, no one cares. Just try to draw for fun.
>>30341908 I posted an awful piece and still got a constructive reply.
>why even bother with drawing at all
Because it's poni you're drawing. Duh.

>>30285745
just taper it with the eraser

>>30360416
If you actually liked drawing, you would never ask these questions because you wouldn't be able to stop. Consider picking up a hobby you actually enjoy.

>>30361403
Her head is too squished, so you should make it taller.looks pretty close to the show though, so good job ther

>>30360416
>tfw just starting out and everything is fun, even making mistakes and failing horribly
I hope I'll never come to the points you've described, sounds pretty depressing.

i bump

i faint

>>30362585

>>30358056
Thx! and bump

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>>30360416
Pretty much what this >>30360800
anon said regarding why you began drawing to begin with. A lot of times it takes self-reflection and figuring out what your tastes in art is. Think about the first time you saw an amazing illustration, how it made you feel, and what the subject matter was and revisit that. It'll take a person years before they even realize what they want out of art.

Personally I feel that it wasn't until this year (after 3 years of drawing) that I finally feel like i'm heading in the right direction. I'm figuring out what my tenancies are and the type of art I gravitate towards. The realization that there is more to this than just grinding out technical skill was just the beginning. I feel like I could spend many more years figuring out the artist I want to be. I'm okay with that and that's really the question you have to search an answer for: "Do I see myself doing this for the next 5-10 years?" It's not something you'll find the answer for right away. To me, personally, its a resounding "yes."

TL;DR

>keep fucking drawing
>keep looking at art
>draw more

The answers will come the more you draw.

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How the hell do I do hair like this? like seriously it's magical

>>30366378
No, it looks like shit.

>>30366378
>magical
I think you posted the wrong pic mang.

>how the hell do I
think of the mane as a wig that sits on the head any way you feel is easiest to draw

think of the hair mass in the mane and the tail like solid pieces of bendy styrofoam with a fursuit cover

make jaggies and little wisps here and there because "that's what you do when you draw manes/tails"

shade with black, and as faintly and disballedly as you can muster

don't forget the eyes, cataracts are the new cameltoe

>>30233305
woah I drew the original "tutorial" a while ago. hello mulp how are you all doing?

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lines

>>30367356
barely

You're not allowed to die.

>>30369888

>>30365429
Took you three years? Personally, it has taken me a while to get the "if you want to draw, you have to look at lots of art and find what your tastes are" part down.

banpu

>>30367356
what the fuck are those hind legs nigger

>>30360416

If you get into the zone while drawing, and time goes by as you doodle shit listening to music or a podcast, then drawing is for you.
Now stop bitching and get drawing, take your meds if you have to.

fuck

How much referecnce do you guys usually use?
I am barely using any and I start to think that may be part of the reason I suck.

>>30375829
For me the answer is always "not enough". Better safe than sorry.

>>30375829
Use a reference whenever you think you need one. As you get better, you'll remember certain things and stop needing references for these.

I envy Afh
He doesn't seem to get demotivated
He just pushes on

>>30376557
He also doesn't improve. Being demotivated and finding motivation is sometimes part of gitting gud.

>>30367356

I think this is quite good.

>>30376557
quit talkin to yourself fagot

>>30367356
hind legs are fucking LOOOOooooong, image her standing on all 4s...

>9

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>>30379875
>9
>again