How did Kudelia know that the bomb was a gjallarhorn trap? It could easily have been the worker, even if you say well they looked surprised it could have been by a certain fraction and/or only some new about it (like the leaders) and they pretended. Plus she was kinda just scared at the time, not like she was paying enough attention to know. Hey what if it was a third party? She knows they exist, one just tried to kill her and then she contacted him to do stuff.
She seems to have really easily sided with the workers knowing fuck all about them but what some reporters say. For all she knows they were planning to attack anyway, they had tanks and everything. We know as the viewer the leader said I hope no one shoots but she didn't know that. Again at best she'll have a brief description from some reporters that work in a pretty restricted way.
>>13849750 >it was really obvious. why? Why is it more obvious than the reason I gave?
Cause you know they are the bad guys, that is why it seems logical for you, think about her there. She has literally 0 idea about the works, she sees they have guns and tanks and then an explosion goes off. Did the reporters tell her they are super duper nice and they'd never do that?
>>13849622 You're being stupid. You should realize this is Mikazuki's perspective on things. He's saying that she's amazing because almost every problem he's ever run into with Orga and co had to be solved with violence, so when Kudelia does something and can get them out of a situation via peaceful methods, he think's its amazing. It's not the fucking show beating you over the head with it, its just one characters perspective. There's no reason for you not to believe in Eugenes perspective that she just got them into this whole shit storm either.
>>13849871 The first event of it is fine, not good writing but fine. But Mika basically only saying that for the rest of this episode got old fast.
It isn't like the concept of people talking to each other is completely alien to him, even Tekkadan has made alliances with those who attacked them which needed talks. So while Mika being impressed once was fine him repeating "wow kudelia sure is amazing" so much gets annoying. there is fuck all substance to it and it is just another step to what could be one of the most awkward pacifist pilot plots
>>13849622 This episode really got me. >randomly masked man comes along with Orga and Biscuit and meed Mika >Mika instantly recognize him >Punches him >Masked man falls down with tears down his cheeks, saying "This is how being an autistic manlet feels like". >WTF GAYHORN IS DOING HERE >I have some planes of mine but I will tell you when time come.Don't worry,I want to help you in order to complete my plan
Wait a sec that dosn't happens,what we get >Masked man just blurbs out all his motive after recognized by Mika
Whole scene felt like a joke.I had to slap myself to check whether I am even awake or not .
Anyway,they are pitching for s2.And I want it to have the most rushed ending gundam ever had.
>>13849978 > want it to have the most rushed ending This is why we never get a good series.....if 4chan dosent like it its "trash that needs to be abandoned" I for one think that if you dont like it STOP FUCKING WATCHING IT
>>13849990 Yes. Layzner had best Mars to Earth arc though. >>13849992 My wanting isn't going to do jack shit to the creators of the show residing in that island nation of shameless whale and dolphin hunters.
I like many others actually had faith in this show to deliver, which it failed thanks to squandering during the middle. And look where it is heading - 6 episodes at max to wrap it up if it dosen't gets a season2.
Unless they pull something like writers of X did when they were told that they have to finish it in 3 episodes.
>>13850000 Then just smoke a bowl and watch .-. its really not that hard. Ive been a gundam fanboy for 10+ years now, the only series i refuse to watch is Greco. Just cant follow that. I feel for one IBO is a HUGE step forward from all the failed series(although i feel if AGE wasnt rushed it would have actually been decent).
>>13850020 I still cannot believe how many retards think that the whole 72 thing is really relevant. If there was no amount listed then they would find a way to get more Gundams in the show. It means nothing besides some fluff and having an excuse for why Gundams aren't being mass-produced.
>>13849630 >The only thing her speech achieved was "lol shoot me while i'm on tv see what happens" which is not some move of tactical genius. Have you even watched last episode? She literally achieved the opposite, they even mention it a few times(aside from, you know, the fact that they show you they didnt shoot at her).
That's like your opinion man. It's well within his characterization and makes sense for his arc and his growing affection for her
>But Mika basically only saying that for the rest of this episode got old fast.
Except this is what human beings often do. If you're at dinner, and the food is amazing, you spend time talking about how the food is amazing.
>It isn't like the concept of people talking to each other is completely alien to him, even Tekkadan has made alliances with those who attacked them which needed talks. So while Mika being impressed once was fine him repeating "wow kudelia sure is amazing" so much gets annoying.
Backroom deals between different groups of people isn't the same as 'We were literally on the brink of death and this girls appeal kept us safe'
>there is fuck all substance to it and it is just another step to what could be one of the most awkward pacifist pilot plots
This doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying Mikazuki is a pacifist? He killed a bunch of fucking people dude.
>>13850256 >That's like your opinion man my god you are pissy
>Except this is what human beings often do doesn't make it good tv
>isn't the same You didn't read. The concept is not alien to him thus him being so impressed is stupid. Him going she did good is fine, but he is now memorised by what she did like it is unheard of that people can talk
>Are you saying Mikazuki is a pacifist? Okay so you are actually illiterate. Another step means he is heading towards that, this was very bluntly set up with snakeman shouting YOU LIKE KILLING BLEH and then him shaking later. This is another ham fisted thing towards that till we finally get some cliched speech
t seems as if IBOs message has flown above a lot of peoples head. Here, let me explain. Kudelia is a person that can actually make a difference, not because she is intelligent or skillful, but because she is rich, thats it. At first she starts her journey for self purposes, for pity, to make herself look good in her Facebook feed. But by experimenting the life of the poor, she experiences empathy and embraces the good fight. In the same way, the Orphans have being left to rot by the System, they rebel, the System abandons them, they grow “independent”, they can’t go on independently until a bigger organization embraces them, that is Teiwaz. Teiwaz utilizes them for self purposes so the only glimmer of hope they have left is to shill for Kudelia.
Now do this, substitute the following and the relevance of IBO will be evident to you:
Orphans: anons System: moot Teiwaz: hiroyuki Kudelia: Donald Trump
>>13850399 >Hey guys, none of you have ever seen me before but I guess some of you know me. Also you can't stop this broadcast at all as one call I made meant I am no literally controlling all tv. Anyway my side has totally never done anything bad, I mean we smuggled arms and work with the mafia but apart from that we are super amazing! So yeah don't fire on us or even just arrest us which would be a logical step you could take here.
>>13850311 I've seen worse analogies and what you've said is painfully obvious to anyone who's not retarded. We understand that Kudelia is a rich girl fighting for the people. Our problem is that the show does an incredibly poor way of handling it or even making us care about Kudelia.
>>13850433 >Think about THE CHILDREN >LOOK AT THESE CHILDREN >They are CHILDREN
And thus, the ruling clique in that one territory on Mars managed to increase their stranglehold on local economics and politics an many children died. They also started a genocidical war in order to spread dat independance and the PMCS with political connections were happy and well-fed.
>>13850454 IBO really isn't good at balancing elements, which becomes a real problem when it makes grand statements. There is anything humble about what IBO is saying yet it will then try to pretend it is all down to earth with these poor orphans
>>13850454 Talking about childrens, the Parents and Teachers Association demanded an "age restriction" on the show. (Kind of if you are less than 15 years old you shouldn't watch or some shit like that. English is not my main language.)
PTA demanded it because Mika has no doubt about killing, too merciless. Looks like they are giving an fuck you to them.
>>13850555 True. But people are still afraid of sjw. Not /m/ stuff but they made some damage on Japan, like some poster changed or erasing some anime character used to promote a city just because the tits were too big.
>>13850622 I'd give them a B for effort. They actually tried to deliver something fresh, interesting, and relatively down-to-earth. It's just that either their team of writers or the team that's greelighting these scripts sucks ass.
>>13850646 The company-angle is new and that they're actually showing the effects of the war on society seems relatively fresh as well.
The evil adults and Kudelia's failure to connect the brats with politics at large are its biggest letdowns, IMO. Oh, and that they basically made this a space opera in which nothing seemed to have changed in 300 years or so. The most recent Tetsujin and even goddamn Nijū Mensō no Musume did the whole postwar-thing better.
>>13850013 >Ive been a gundam fanboy for 10+ years now >I feel for one IBO is a HUGE step forward from all the failed series All you're saying is that you're one of those geassfag retards stuck to trash like SEED and 00.
>>13850988 Did you not pay attention, only like 3 people know and he specifically tells them not to tell anyone else or he'll cancel his deal with them. And seeing as he's their ticket to re-entry and safe transport to the meeting they can't risk that right now.
The whole purpose of the disguise is really just so that his McGillis identity isn't seen assisting Tekkaden and Kudelia.
So what the series is going for is McGillis is using how botched and underhanded Gjallarhorn has handled this whole independence movement thing in order to expose the corruption to the general public and gain support to fix it right?
>>13851033 Story has taken too long to really take off (The brewers stuff was mostly pointless, the Teiwaz episodes felt padded out, and even this worker riots felt like they took up too many episodes) and the series seriously needs to handle foreshadowing better.
>>13851033 Very slow, heavy handed exposition + a lot of, lack of character development + a lot of characters repeating the same phase that should be development, bad character designs, bad animation, lack of fights and the world building and politics feels bare and simple despite large focus
>Stalked a psycho that threatened to kill her until she could get his dick. >Tried to murder Une in revenge for her father >Somehow could suffer Dorothy's mad ramblings >Became queen of her country and then queen of Earth. >Bitchin' napoleonic uniforms
>>13850307 The whole scene felt like fake. Characters move so stiffly that it is a pain to watch them. The animation team is putting 0 effort into animating them and they can't seem to know anything but close-ups. Seriously, when was the last time we have seen a whole scene involving an ensemble? Have we ever got GOOD character animation? A skilled and recognizable animation director who is not working on the mecha cuts? This Gundam is supposed to be about characters, but they fail completely at animating or directing scenes involving characters. Comparing this boring hug scene with the hug scene from Grimgar, with all those movements and expressions, makes me feel embarrassed for IBO staff.
>>13851119 It goes back to how IBO is all talk and no visual information
No one is ever doing little things in IBO, they either stand and shit and just talk. No one really interacts with the environment or each other that much. Look at this scene with Klim and Mick, very simple little interaction that tells you who wears the pants and how caring Mick can be but also shows Klim a little softer than usual. Only this isn't a scene it is a background element, Greco told more it's background than IBO does in the foreground.
Though I lied slightly, it randomly throws in giant anime reaction to things that feely horribly misplaced
>>13850307 She wants Kudelia to be part of the family, and she's taking inspiration from Turbo Nazi's harem. Remember the cute picture of her and Kudelia holding babies on either side of Mika's "I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS" expression?
>>13850433 >Also you can't stop this broadcast at all as one call I made meant I am no literally controlling all tv It's an emergency news broadcast. They can do that irl, too. It's called "The Emergency Information System". Since the instruction to broadcast came from what is effectively the leader of one of the only three countires in the world, the news people obeyed instructions. Why would you think that a miscellaneous ship's captain (even a high ranked one) would be able to overturn a presidential order?
>>13851214 >overturn a presidential order? How did that one guy on mars not only stop all the censorship of the news but call up a President and say yo make this a special broadcast no one can stop, yeah I know you don't run those colonies but do it anyway?
>>13850307 He also only kissed kudelia because maze had to explain to tekkadan why he kisses his wife Soon atras going to coach Mika through sex with kudelia. She'll be right there telling them both exactly what to do. She learnt a lot in that brothel >no kudelia, you're not pregnant yet, he just touched your boob >mika try to be more gentle, this isn't like killing, Mika I said no choking!
>>13851242 >EAS? They changed it again? When I was a kid it was the Emergency Broadcast System. >>13851239 They said the request for the broadcast came from the head of the African Union, who is the same person Kudelia is going to earth to talk to.
>>13851268 And to get that all to happen she had to call up fatso who then got the censoring to stop and then either the African Union were called up or I guess they just knew. And again they don't own the colonies so have no right to do that, Putin can't just call up Fox news and say put on some xfiles.
Plus even if they did have the power to control other places news the gjallarhorn can just step in and go no she is a terrorist she can't be broadcast at a time like this. Fuck it just blow up what ever is reviving these signals and say they were damaged before
>>13851278 >Putin can't just call up Fox new You're misreading this entire thing. She got a message to an earth government official via an earth sphere news crew to authorize this earth sphere news crew to broadcast news to the earth sphere. >Gjallarhorn can just step in Not if the authorization given to the news station came fromhe the head of the government. Gjallarhorn was ordered to stand down by the Regulatory Bureau, they're not the top of the chain of command. The Gjallarhorn guy wanted to shut the broadcast down, but it was well outside his authority.
>>13851278 >Fuck it just blow up what ever is reviving these signals >live on network TV that would prove her accusations true and cause a lot more riots. The whole point of the broadcast was that Kudelia knew that Gjallarhorn wouldn't even try to get away with that if the public was watching.
>>13851250 >eh? I only use this thing for pissing why do I put it in Kudelia? >and where's kudelia's willy? Did it get cut off? That wound down there looks like it must have been painful >oh I get it, when it gets hard I stab her with it. Repeatedly? Ok, I know how to do that.
Her getting a message from people who don't run a place means shit all, they have no rights there to permit her to make any broadcast she wants. Being a head of state does not mean you can control tv anywhere
Even if they could which makes no sense when you just had a huge attack that looks like a terrorist attack it is very easy to then step in and say do not let this terrorist leader have her words broadcast. They have so much evidence to link her in. For all this show pretends to be about politics there is no smart political movements
>Regulatory Bureau, they're not the top of the chain of command. So now the force that has control from here to mars and was set up as taking too much power are stopped by a few pencil pushers in one colony? Here's an idea, shoot them. They are corrupt as fuck anyway who cares?
>>13851306 They literally just beat everyone into submission, they don't have to worry
>>13851316 >people who don't run a place means shit all, The Earth is a unified government made up of three economic blocs. The guy she contacted is the head of one of those three blocs, ergo he is a top government official in the Earth Sphere (which is where those colonies are). >when you just had a huge attack that looks like a terrorist attack That event was orchestrated to look like Gjallarhorn's forces were returning fire. Kudelia started off by stating that this was a farce, so it would look highly suspicious if she just got blasted. >a few pencil pushers in one colony No, the Regulatory Bureau of the Earth Sphere Government. The colonies have NO autonomy, that's the whole reason they want to rebel. >here's an idea, shoot them Right after they call you out on your ruthless murderous tactics, while they're being broadcast to the whole fucking planet. Good plan.
Let's step back a bit: The whole reason Gjallarhorn went to the trouble of arranging weapons shipments to be delivered to the angry mob was to make it look like they were defending peace rather than squashing dissidents. They even placed useless weapons for the rebels to seize so that the news broadcast would show them defeating combatants and not mowing down a crowd of protesters. They can't get away with just murdering whoever they want because that causes revolts, so they have to set it up to make them look like the good guys. Kudelia denied them the ability to do that. If the maiden of the revolution is blown away in cold blood and not made to look like an underhanded conspirator, the government loses support from the people.
>>13851342 >Hey look, that guy's trying to negotiate >Oh shit, they started attack >Wait a minute, why aren't they actually attacking? They fired one oddly placed blast and then got massacred without fighting back Yeah sure, makes total sense.
>>13851360 It's pretty simple, really. Here is footage of angry protesters with weapons of war. Suddenly something explodes slightly off-camera. Cameras turn to look at explosions, smoke grenades deployed, military fires into the smoke and you can't really tell if the people in the smoke are shooting back or not. And some of them even were shooting back, actually.
If you weren't there, it's easy to believe that whoever fired the first shot was just off-camera somewhere. Only someone who was there on site would pick up on the fact that no one in the crowd actually fired first.
>>13851360 >armed protestors screaming and calling out for shit, tanks are aimed at building >after a long time someone throws a grenade or fires off a shell, that part isn't shown on camera because muh censors >WELP THEY'VE GONE HOSTILE TIME TO FIRE BACK >people die (except Kudelia for no reason lol) If you watched the BLM protests on different channels you would have seen two different narratives. Fox vs CNN.
>>13851356 >The guy she contacted is the head of one of those three blocs again, not a guy who runs them. no power over them
>That event was orchestrated to look like Gjallarhorn's forces And they didn't know that for sure. Gjallarhorn actually have more evidence to link her into doing it by the orphans supplying weapons, kudelia has literally no proof and they can say she is lying and trying to frame events. Even if they aren't sure who is right they should not let her broadcast until they get to the bottom of this
>No, the Regulatory Bureau of the Earth Sphere Government The only ones effecting them are the ones there, again all my points stand
>Right after they call you out on your ruthless murderous tactics They are literally beating people in the fucking street. DO you think they give a flying fuck if someone comes up and says hey I was watching that? Especially when they can easily say Kudelia is a terrorist, arms dealer and has links to the mafia? Guess who looks like a lying whore in that situation?
>to make it look like they were defending peace rather than squashing dissidents And in doing so they have very bluntly been beating people in the middle of the street, again point out that Kudelia is a terrorist.
>would show them defeating combatants and not mowing down a crowd of protesters Oh so you mean like a ship with 3 mobile suits on top that just murdered a bunch of people? They'd look like bad guys, especially if you could link them to weapons smuggling
>They can't get away with just murdering whoever they want because that causes revolts They literally have and that is literally what is happening
>. If the maiden of the revolution is blown away in cold blood and not made to look like an underhanded conspirator, And if the terrorist arms dealing mafioso is blown up it will look like a good thing
You are assuming they have to play things a certain way instead of thinking
>>13851375 Assassinations aren't supposed to go through multiple people. Over-penetration is not what you want. Easily fast enough to do a follow-up and take out Kudelia though. >hurr can't take out maid and then hit Kudelia >hurr it would be too suspicious for someone to be dead in a pile of bodies >hurr the censored media is going to report on this
>>13851407 >You're mostly just overestimating the average person's skepticism. By assuming they won't be sceptic about what looks like a very obvious terrorist attack when there is a bunch with tanks protesting?
I mean there is an obvious link there and it is not to a big conspiracy that Gjallarhorn are blowing themselves up
>>13851416 It's not like Naze interacts with anyone other than the black chick. The rest of his wives might as well be random women on the ship. If Lafter leaves him for Guts to incite drama I'm going to laugh because she and Naze weren't built up enough for it to mean much.
>>13851387 >The only ones effecting them are the ones there What is telecommunication? The broadcast is being received all over earth. Some politicians see it, their assholes clench, and they order Gjallarhorn not to make the scene any worse than it already is. Look, it's right there in the episode (pic related)
>>13851033 One dimensional characters, no robots, hamfisted exposition, contrivances that drive the plot, horrible drama, nonsensical plot progression.
Pretty much everything you shouldn't do when making a show. But hey, they say "Muh family! Muh revolution!" and then talk about how awesome Kudelia is so some idiots eat it right up and pretend the writing is solid.
>>13851387 >You are assuming they have to play things a certain way instead of thinking I'm observing that they have been playing things a certain way. Characters have discussed, right in the middle of the screen, how underhanded this charade of peace-keeping is.
Even if they technically are the Gestapo, they still have to hide that fact from the general public on earth in order to avoid upheaval. Mars is a different matter, because the seat of government is on earth and, as has been repeatedly stated, earth doesn't give two shits about Mars. This is why Naze warned Orga that the situation was very different now that they were in Earth Sphere territory and they couldn't just kill an enemy because they have laws and trials unlike Mars. It's just like real life: You can kick and beat the peasants in the street in some foreign country all you want and the people back home won't care because they won't find out. But then some starry-eyed reporter goes and tells the other side of the story to all of your citizens back home and suddenly everyone's looking at you like you're Richard Nixon during Vietnam.
>>13851469 >, they still have to hide that fact from the general public on earth So like a broadcast going out about how evil you are would be pretty bad then? Something you'd try hard to stop. Cause we've seen they've had no problem beating people at dort
You've only really helped my point here, that broadcast being shut down is more important than people not on earth and what happens to them
>>13851381 Let's ignore that it was a live, uninterrupted stream from a news team that was clearly intent on delivering the truth, sure. And let's forget that there were people on the ground who could also see what was happening.
>>13851385 >because muh censors Live broadcast. >If you watched the BLM protests on different channels you would have seen two different narratives. Fox vs CNN. Show me the one that had an unbiased newsteam doing a live stream. That's what this scene had.
>>13851389 No, this is what happens when you actually think about how and why things happen on screen.
>>13851474 >>Live broadcast where people can see and hear what's happening lets go through the events
>Armed protest including tanks (unlike tanks any of them would have seen before) >Gjallarhorn's tanks facing other way >Camera moving all about focusing on different thing >Suddenly explosion >Then Dort workers opening fire and Gjallarhorn responding >Smoke obscures field
So actually yes that is easy to spin. The news didn't have some birds eye view, even if they magically did and saw no tank fired it would still look like some planted bomb or thrown explosive. Both of those could be pinned on the dort workers
>>13851404 It's shit for people who have standards.
>>13851471 >But anon the interactions! Yeah, when they said family for the 4000th time it really made them feel like one big family with lots of meaningful interactions. And all those obvious love triangles? Oh man, they're great.
>>13851475 >Ask question >Get answer you don't like >Shitpost like a retard Sasuga
>>13851491 >Forcibly shooting down a public broadcast Again I have explained like 5 times how they can frame that yet you refuse to even consider it when tehy have evidence. This is like saying America would look bad if they had stopped osama bin laden broadcasting on tv. Just cause someone is saying something doe snot give them ultimate power
You know what looks worse? Someone implicating you in murdering innocent people in a whole colony and getting to do a huge news spot on it. That would get you assassinated, use your brain a bit
>>13851480 >All the have to do is tell the reports It was being broadcast live and with audio.
>>13851489 You missed the workers saying "Don't fire, we want to talk", none of them moving, and then them all getting shot without fighting back.
>Camera moving all about focusing on different thing >Then Dort workers opening fire and Gjallarhorn responding Factually fucking incorrect. Look here, the cameras can literally see everything, all of the workers, and the explosion, as well as who fired first (it wasn't the workers). Why are you idiots so insistent on defending shit writing?
>>13851498 Oh look, here's them broadcasting the whole thing till it was forcibly shut down.
>>13851500 Oh look, here it all is. I'm sure you're stupid.
>>13851518 Kudelia is associated with a group they just framed for blowing up a building (and literally no one has proof against them), linked to a group of arm smugglers who were present when police were murdered and is travelling with the fucking space mafia
>>13851534 >Why are you lying? We all saw the episode Are you fucking stupid? Watch episode, the explosion went off and then none of them fired, hell they even tried to stop the conflict, and then they all got mowed down before their tanks could even move.
>No they can't see the whole scene of what is going on Are you stupid? It's in fucking frame in that screencap.
>>13851540 >The broadcast doesn't conclusively show anything >Entire scene is in frame >Entire area around explosion is in frame >Literally anything being thrown or fired behind Gjallahorn lines would be in frame with that shot Seriously, how fucking stupid are you?
>>13851555 >All that broadcast shows is an explosion with unknown origins What part of "LIVE" do you not understand? They didn't take a snapshot of the smoke and broadcast it, they were broadcasting the whole thing, you idiot.
>>13851560 irl "live" news broadcasts are usually on a short time delay. this is because they have multiple camera crews that they switch back and forth between. It's normally only a few minutes, but it's enough time to decide to show the security forces on the steps where the explosion is about to happen instead of showing the crowd where no one is firing a rocket.
Not to mention the fact that when you have two groups of people with explosive weaponry and suddenly something blows up, most people will just assume that they didn't notice the shot being fired rather than assuming it was a pre-placed explosive for deceptive purposes.
Sure, someone is guaranteed to have recorded it and analysis of the video will later prove that no one can be seen firing a shot, but at the time it happens everyone is just going to jump to conclusions.
>>13851483 >live broadcast You do know there is a delay on broadcasts often right? They get fed to a editing room that monitors the feed and does shit on the fly, and then sends the feed back out. If they want, they can even cut the broadcast.
It's hardly surprising Kudelia knew. She was right there, near the front. Navona had told her already that this was a peaceful protest even though they had weapons, and the people in the crowd were the more moderate of the groups compared to those elsewhere. She also saw them get mowed down without fighting, and she also has the benefit of seeing them being massacred in space if she hadn't already put two and two together.
This show has some dumb shit writing,but this isn't that; this is just mediocre but workable writing.
>>13851544 >This isn't a board about eating shit. Really, we're on /m/. There's lots of shit.
>>13851645 >They didn't censor anything up until that point Nice assumption.
And again, that shot you keep whoring out doesn't mean anything in and of itself. You're assuming that the live broadcast showed the entire before and after of the explosion from the overhead shot which you don't know.
>>13851657 >assumption >Literally stated right there Are you just pretending to be retarded at this point?
>You're assuming that the live broadcast showed the entire before and after of the explosion from the overhead shot which you don't know. >You're assuming they showed the frame they were showing and didn't mess with the broadcast No, the fact that the frame covering everything was on screen and that the commander literally fucking said they hadn't manipulated the information means I'm not assuming anything.
>>13851669 Sorry bud, but you're just a fucking idiot and your entire argument is based on things you don't know.
Do you know exactly what Gjallarhorn broadcasted? No, you don't. It's perfectly possible that they switched to the overhead camera AFTER the explosion. How do you know that the guy wasn't just specifically referring to that one scene when he was talking about manipulating information? And no, that frame doesn't mean anything by itself.
>>13851685 Apparently people still struggle with it.
>>13851678 No, anyone saying yes is actually shitposting.
>>13851690 >your entire argument is based on actual quotes from the show He literally, in specific terms, said they'd censor it after. How many fucking mental gymnastics do you have to do to convince yourself that they were manipulating the broadcast at that point, despite him objectively stating something to the contrary? Seriously, are you just trolling or are you actually brain-dead?
>>13851740 >still missing the point What point? "Despite everything they said and showed, and the simple conclusion, because they didn't show the live broadcast 100% of the time it's ok to assume that what happened is the opposite of what the characters said because then I can pretend I have a point" is not a point.
>>13851744 it wouldn't make any sense. Diana was the queen of the moon for 100s of years and everyone has to listen to her regardless of what they thought. Kudelia is just some girl that wants to help but has no clue what shes doing.
>>13851747 >they didn't show the live broadcast 100% of the time Okay good, this is all I need.
Let's go back to this post which I am assuming is you. >>13851474 Here, you specifically make the claim that they can't spin the broadcast.
Now since you've admitted that we don't know what the TV broadcasted the whole time; this argument stops making any sense. And again, this has nothing to do with censorship, but rather the assumption that the reporters broadcasted anything incriminating to Gjallarhorn to begin with which is what your entire argument is based on. You simply don't know. They can easily spin the live broadcast as it's been pointed out.
>>13851766 >I'm a fucking idiot who will pretend that something that makes absolutely 0 sense in the story happened based on what was said and shown despite everything pointing against it except for my cries that "not everything was shown 100% at all times" even when the character who would have manipulated the information said he hadn't done it yet >I totally have a point Ok, that's all I need.
>>13851766 >Now since you've admitted that we don't know what the TV broadcasted the whole time; this argument stops making any sense. And again, this has nothing to do with censorship, but rather the assumption that the reporters broadcasted anything incriminating to Gjallarhorn to begin with which is what your entire argument is based on. You simply don't know. They can easily spin the live broadcast as it's been pointed out. Not him, but are you fucking serious? The reporters want to show the news, we can see when they cut the news, he showed you that Gjallahorn wasn't manipulating the news till later, and you're assuming that they randomly cut segments out for no reason? Why would you think that? It makes no sense.
>>13851788 >I'm saying that they didn't have a need to manipulate the news before that point. What the hell are you saying? The explosion happened, and then the captain said "We can just manipulate it later" after Chocolate man's future brother in law commented on how underhanded it was to use the explosion as a pretense for slaughter.
>>13851820 >You can just later say it was a bombing. They had 10 different cameras on site pointed at the whole thing, and there is absolutely 0 indication that the feeds were messed with. If they weren't messing with the feeds, and it was being broadcast live, then how do you spin it? What you're saying makes no sense.
>>13851840 >AKA how to undermine any organized grouping of black protesters. You're funny.
>>13851844 >Do you know that the live feeds broadcasted anything incriminating to Gjallarhorn in the first place? The entire scene was incriminating, they were broadcasting it, the captain of Gjallahorn said they hadn't messed with the news yet, and Macky's buddy commented on the explosion being underhanded from nothing but the TV feed. He was not in on the plan, but from watching the TV he knew they were playing dirty. So yes, we do know they were broadcasting footage of Gjallahorn playing dirty. Now you show something that indicates they manipulated the broadcast. Not something that shows they could, but something that shows they did.
>Notgarma only commented on it because he knows how Gjallarhorn works. He saw the explosion, and then knew they set it up. He isn't psychic, he was using his eyes.
>That's not what I'm arguing at all. Yes it is, because if you're arguing they could have manipulated it, and that the people watching weren't getting the full story, then you're saying it was manipulated.
>>13851877 >Yes it is. Explain how a footage from after the explosion incriminates Gjallarhorn.
>He saw the explosion, and then knew they set it up. He isn't psychic, he was using his eyes. He works inside of Gjallarhorn and already knows they are corrupt and is onboard with Chocolate Man's reform. The average person does not know this.
>>13851917 >How can be sure it wasn't a remote terrorist bombing Because it was inside Gjallahorn's base, and if it was their bomb they would have attacked immediately after. You need to try to make some sense.
>And again, Garma is not indicative of the average person at all. So you're assuming literally every other character watching is retarded?
>>13851923 >Because it was inside Gjallahorn's base, and if it was their bomb they would have attacked immediately after. What? They did attack immediately afterwards. From that picture alone, you cannot rule out a possibility of a remote bomb from the terrorist side.
>So you're assuming literally every other character watching is retarded? Why are we still having this discussion? Garma works inside of Gjallarhorn, knows they are corrupt, and knows of the evil deeds they do. To the average person, they are the keepers of peace. Come on.
>>13851944 >If it was the workers bomb, the workers would have attacked. The workers did not attack, so it being their bomb makes no sense. Not all of the workers are unified. It didn't have to be the same workers as the ones on site.
>Because you're making grand leaps in logic that aren't based in the show at all. How ironic.
>>13851947 >Not all of the workers are unified. >Workers plant a bomb >Literally none of the workers attack >Just stand there with their hands up until they get mowed down Explain how that makes any sense at all. Please.
>How ironic. No, it's not ironic. You're ignoring what actually happens and pretending that some people have psychic powers, and the rest are retarded.
>>13851953 >Explain how that makes any sense at all. Please. They started manipulating the news after that fact as you said earlier. See pic related. It doesn't matter that in reality they just stood there. They told the news crew to stop broadcasting death later as well.
Again, Garma is not pyshic; he has the inside information on Gjallarhorn's dealings. It is established in the show that he believes Gjallarhorn to be corrupt. It makes perfect sense that he would assume it's their doing.
>>13851977 >See pic related. >News says the bomb was from the workers >Everyone watching can clearly see it wasn't them, and that they just stood there getting shot Man, a lot of your arguments rely on "Everyone has an IQ in the single digits"
>>13851994 >There's a time delay on live broadcasts It's a few seconds on a live broadcast to censor swearing and to cut away from violence that breaks out. They showed the explosion and we can see them watching it for quite a while after it happens. It was not tampered with.
>but this part is fine. If you're retarded, sure. Don't let something like critical thinking cloud your judgement, just sit back and watch.
>>13852000 They can easily delay it for a few minutes.
>They showed the explosion Yes.
> we can see them watching it for quite a while after it happens Nothing of the sort is shown on the broadcast.
>>13852015 Pic related is the next confirmed shot you see on the broadcast after the shot of the explosion.
From this line here >>13851645, we know that Gjallarhorn intends to manipulate information and occurs right at the explosion. There's no reason to think that they actually showed shots of people being gunned down on TV. It's never shown either.
>>13851993 I'm just waiting for episode 25 to hit. People keep going "there's so much plot left to cover. There's no way they can wrap this up in 7 episodes" and people now seem to believe that season 2 has been confirmed.
Unless Okada can pull this off, I'm going to be entertained by the reactions for awhile. Granted, I'm also going to have to explain how IBO performed in it's homeland while everyone seems to think it's some massive success. One part pleasure, two parts headache.
>>13852036 >Nothing of the sort is shown on the broadcast. You're assuming the broadcast cut out. They specifically said when the broadcast was being cut. Please provide a source that it happened before this.
>>13852126 >They said they can cover up info later. In reference to the explosion.
>Except that we saw the broadcast Except that we didn't. We saw the news agency filming, but we never saw what was actually broadcasted. Like I said earlier, the next shot that is confirmed to have been aired after the explosion is this >>13852036.
It would be ridiculous for Gjallarhorn to air raw footage and try to cover up later when they could just filter it instead. They have control of the press; this is stated.
>>13852146 >In reference to the explosion. About plotting in general.
>Except that we didn't. We saw them on the ground and filming, and we saw the smoke and dust on screen. You're assuming that they just decided to cut out right before that despite there being absolutely 0 indication that they cut out. They told us when they cut out later, so logically if they didn't mention it before, then it didn't happen because they didn't say anything.
>when they could just filter it instead They can give orders to the press, there's absolutely nothing indicating they have direct control over raw video feeds. Nothing at all.
>>13852158 Filter not cut. There's a difference. Stop changing my argument. They filtered the footage for a while and then cut it all together later.
You have no evidence to support the idea that everything the crew was filming was actually broadcasted untainted.
>there's absolutely nothing indicating they have direct control over raw video feeds. Not directly, but the Regulatory Bureau does which Gjallarhorn is stated to have influence in. Their interests line up in this case as well.
>>13852236 It is directly stated that the Regulatory Bureau controls news content, and the only reason Kudelia's broadcast wasn't cut was because one of the economic blocs wanted it shown. Otherwise, that broadcast would have been cut. So yes, they do in fact control live broadcasts.
>>13852252 Ah, so you're showing a scene where they actually have to do something to stop broadcasts. Wonderful! Now show the scene where they cut the broadcast of the explosion, because from what I remember the captain just said they'd handle it later.
>>13852270 >>13852036 >Nothing of the sort is shown on the broadcast. >Gjallarhorn intends to manipulate information and occurs right at the explosion in response to >>13852000 >They showed the explosion and we can see them watching it for quite a while after it happens. It was not tampered with. Try not to backpedal, it's unsightly.
>>13852294 >My argument has been that they started manipulating information after the explosion. And then we go back to >>13852264 >so you're showing a scene where they actually have to do something to stop broadcasts. Wonderful! Now show the scene where they cut the broadcast And then swap "explosion" for "standing there".
>>13852176 I'm dealing with people who believe in Gundamguy's post bro. I can explain all this stuff to them but they still want to believe IBO is doing well. Hell, when I discuss ratings I have to spell out why G-Reco's numbers were considered good buy IBO's are bad.
And it's only a 2k drop betweek vol1week1 and vol2week1.
>Show a scene where it was broadcasted that people were massacred. Cameras were on the whole time. If you want me to suddenly believe the broadcast cut out, then you show the evidence. They specifically say when the broadcast is cut later on, so there's no reason to think it was cut before. Now show actual evidence of it happening in the show or shut the fuck up with your asspull assumptions.
>>13852361 >Wow, do you really need IBO to spell this much out for you? They do spell it out when it happens, as evidence by them spelling it out and making a big deal of it when it happens.
You're assuming that in addition to that, they casually do it behind the scenes despite nothing indicating that, and the captain saying they'll cover the event up later. What you claim is inconsistent with the show, and is not supported by any in show dialog. You are an idiot.
>>13852379 The captains says he'll cover up the explosion later. He never says anything about the shooting which occurs later.
Let's set the record straight here. In IBO, it is confirmed by dialog that the press is controlled by higher authority. Are you saying that said authority would allow footage that makes them look bad air even though they have control over it?
>>13852391 >The captains says he'll cover up the explosion later. He says he'll cover up the entire incident later.
>Let's set the record straight here. In IBO, it is confirmed by dialog that the press is controlled by higher authority. Distribution, not broadcast.
>Are you saying that said authority would allow footage that makes them look bad air even though they have control over it? Their control over a live broadcast is to call and cut it. The news stations made a stink about their broadcast getting cut at other times, but you're saying they just sneakily cut out 5 minutes and no one made a peep, and we never heard the order go through.
>>13852398 >He says he'll cover up the entire incident later. Nope. He was only talking about the explosion.
>Distribution, not broadcast. What? They certainly control news broadcasts as evidenced by them trying to cut Kudelia's speech. This seems like some bizarre semantics to me.
>The news stations made a stink about their broadcast getting cut at other times, but you're saying they just sneakily cut out 5 minutes and no one made a peep, and we never heard the order go through. The news station crew made a stink after they were told to completely stop and at that point they knew they were being shafted. Beforehand, they weren't sure what possible filtering could have been going on of the footage they were filming since the Bureau controls the news. The order that tells them to stop is more than enough to imply that they had control over their news the whole time.
>>13852429 >Nope. He was only talking about the explosion. Nope, talking about the entire plan.
>hey certainly control news broadcasts as evidenced by them trying to cut Kudelia's speech. They can call in and cut a broadcast by order. This is shown when it happens every time. It was not shown, nor was it mentioned, and it's a timely issue, so it's not like it happened in the 4 seconds we didn't see the captain after the scene of him watching the explosion on TV and the massacre starting.
>they weren't sure what possible filtering could have been going on of the footage they were filming since the Bureau controls the news. 
>The order that tells them to stop is more than enough to imply that they had control over their news the whole time. Completely wrong. It shows that they can call in to stop a broadcast, and that they'll put up a stink when the order comes in. Everything else is your headcanon.
>>13852543 probably won't job, He'll be fighting with Barbatos. So my bet is he'll "fight" Not-Garma and do nothing during that fight. Barbatos will fight the new girl and beat her. She'll get mad and seek revenge yada yada...they're all on earth and stuff happens.
fingers crossed Ein dies saving Not-Garma or just gets killed for "drama" and nothing else.
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