I can't speak for Japan, but I know I've got a mixed opinion of IBO now that I'm starting to get caught up on it.
I love the aesthetic and the mechanical designs. And I find the setting to be really interesting (I'm looking forward to the inevitable side story or two), but tonally and thematically it feels kinda derivative. It feels more like they're kinda trying to ape a lot of the uber-popular stuff (Attack on Titan) in that respect. And to me, that's strange. Since Gundam is a show that I've always viewed as one that started trends versus one that aped them.
although viewing figures are low many there is still a decent amount of positive talk behind it. Over time this has waned as people got bored it is possible the plot coming to a head will interest people more
The sales figures are mediocre, not bad but it selling a little less than greco did at this stage is not a great sign. Gunpla sales aren't known and gossip at best
It's doing nowhere near as good as they thought it would be, but it's definitely not doing bad Derringer said it's been much more well received worldwide and gotten foreign casuals into gunpla so there's that
It's the lack of robots. The viewership ratings spike whenever there's promise of mobile suits doing something. Like how did anyone greenlight so few mobile suit fights in a Gundam airing at primetime is beyond me.
>>13839076 >Derringer said it's been much more well received worldwide and gotten foreign casuals into gunpla so there's that No he said the Barbatos was selling better than Build Strike or Burning.
But that really can be put down to IBO having a lot more advertisement and being put up on multiple streaming sites, while BF and Try just got thrown on youtube with not much said. Also when were build fighter kits put in american stores? Cause the IBO releases seem quite close to the Japanese ones
>>13839030 Because it's not very good. It's so fucking boring because nothing happens. Meanders about too much. I don't care about Ghallajhorn because I know barely anything about them and we barely ever interact with them or see them doing any oppression.
Let's compare this to Zeta. Within the first few episodes we've got a reason to dislike the Titans. They killed Kamilles mummy, we see Kamille get beaten by them after 'isn't that a girls name', and we know they've gassed some colonies. With Ghallajhorn, I just couldn't give a shit, and neither do the characters. It's just business to them.
Even on AZ's lower episode talk count it is still much higher than IBO on average, which struggles to get over 100 a lot of the time. So IBO has this weird thing of being a hit with people outside here, but that group seems quite small
>>13839120 It needs a better director and scriptwriter, but at this late stage it's too late. Basically Sunrise really need to stop handing the reins over to total cowboys, not even Origin has been safe from their hamfistedness.
>>13839187 IBO is a competent show for people who just want something in the background. Not much happens and it is all made very clear, they get some drama, very small bits that push certain characters together (this bit is done weaker than the others) and people sound like they will do something. At the end they give some dumb hook like a kiss or an enemy appears.
It doesn't do any part of this well enough to get a lot of people in but it just clicks with a few as they go hey it's like az and aot
>>13839201 Biggest recent gundam success was Unicorn Had gratuitous mech porn, waifubait, fujobait, sawano OST, SEED tier drama and was Early UC Then there's 00 with gratuitous mech action, waifubait, fujobait and somewhat contrived drama Build Fighters had gratuitous mech action, UC homages, waifubait and shotacon bait G-Reco had gratuitous mech action, lickable pussies and a somewhat fragmented story with minimal drama
IBO just feels like another "love it or hate it" series like G-Reco was. I don't think I've ever seen a middling opinion for either. It's either the best Gundam series ever or an irredeemably shitty garbage show that is sounding the death knell for the franchise.
>>13839216 And I'm fine with there not being gratuitous action, too many fights and I feel insultingly pandered to. I just wish the rest of everything wasn't so slow tame and underwhelming. It hasn't made any glaring missteps yet but I'm left wanting more. It's like the opposite of when I marathoned g-reco where there was so much action that it all seemed rather pointless and unfun.
>>13839243 >yaoi bait has so far been disappointingly tame. I think the problem is more they didn't understand how to yaoi bait
All those sort of shows (mainly sports ones) have certain dynamics that make them work. Fujos like certain archetypes in certain pairings with certain VAs, this can be messed with a little but that is difficult. Then you have to write it a certain way, shitty pointless drama usually around something like "You have a wolfs sould of determination but do you understand the dance of ultimate frisbee?" You never go full gay (mostly just show cuddling in promo art) but you have it be a big emotional thing, women get off on that sort of thing.
Thinking about IBO like this the only ones that sort of have it is Iamagay and brown haired dude. And even then is is a little too bare and obvious, no strife and they only have done a whole make sure you come back thing like twice. Mika and Orga are the otehr obvious pairing but they barely interact and there is no drama, at least not yet. Outside that there really aren't any pairings, so all it attracts are people who like the designs
>>13839258 Since the start they have seriously cut down on the shirtless guys thinking about it.
>>13839276 >IBO just feels like another "love it or hate it" It's really not. It doesn't have any substance to hate or dislike. It's more of a "Didn't hate it, but didn't like it either" show, like Turn A.
>>13839308 Cause IBO is a badly thought out series. The middle of the show made it very clear they lacked content and that the world was not very fleshed out. Everything just about reaches a bare minimum of competence (apart from Kudelia) but usually is a little wonky somewhere.
>IBO just feels like another "love it or hate it" series like G-Reco was
I don't really think that's the case. G-Reco from a pretty normal viewers standpoint is an absolute shitshow in both writing and pacing, that doesn't make it bad per se, but it makes it at least IMO completely unapproachable for the average viewer.
IBO on the other hand feels like a direct answer to G-reco being a clusterfuck, It's REALLY easy to follow, takes it's time and is quite approachable compared to most series which I feel actually lends a lot more to watch-ability.
Now that being said everybody likes to be hyperbolic so it's why you always hear a love it hate it reaction.
Personally I have been enjoying this series a lot compared to most, a lot more than I expected too since I absolutely checked out from the SEED era and then just couldn't push my way through G-reco when I attempted to watch it. G-Reco is probably the most polarizing series I have ever had discussions with my friends who also watch Gundam.
>>13839330 >I feel actually lends a lot more to watch-ability. The problem is it fails by being so dumbed down it is boring, even normies have commented on how slow it is and how "well next episode they'll get somewhere!"
IBO isn't controversial because it doesn't have enough going on to be so
I'm just hoping they've been deliberately holding the pacing lever back at idle and are gonna start sliding it closed to the firewall now that the "Gjallarhorn is literally the NSA" reveal is actually being played out and the shooting started.
I really hope the mixed reception for this show doesn't make the next Gundam show cookie cutter 0079 rehash number 3000. Kid stumbles into Gundam, forced to join white ship to travel to Earth after his colony was attacked etc.
Care to explain what you mean by "dumbed down" that it's boring, that is a little vague?
Do you mean like, there isn't a gundam shootout every episode or what?
Personally I think it's pretty stock standard when compared to like 90% of other gundam series. I mean there isn't exactly philosophical musings about the duality of man. It's definitely not DEEP, but I don't think any Gundam has ever been.
>It's REALLY easy to follow, takes it's time and is quite approachable compared to most series
I agree that quality isn't always necessarily a bad thing, but there is a significant difference between being approachable and being so shallow that the show has almost no substance. IBO falls into that second category more often than not and that's its biggest problem.
Audiences can't bring themselves to care because they aren't given a reason to. The characters have no depth beyond basic personality traits and the plot, despite being incredibly straightforward, is recapped for us at least once every two episodes as if we'd forget, which is insulting to the viewer's intelligence.
>>13839356 >problem I'm pretty sure that's the reason there's an independence movement at all. Mars being a terraformed and habitable but mundane and desolate 'oops we can't stop building fucking slums because capitalism' isn't particularly common, especially when gundam's use of Mars is restricted to AoZ and the PC98 F90 game and in AoZ I'm fairly certain they had to stay in sealed structres if i remember right. Could they have done more with it? Probably some. Did they stay too long for what it was? Yes.
>>13839362 There's a lot they could try but it may rub the fanbase the wrong way if it strays too far from the norm. I'd say another martial arts show like G but we just got Try. We still don't have full on interplanetary war.
I'd like a short series about a city based on Atlantis with a focus on aquatic MS.
>>13839369 >Care to explain what you mean by "dumbed down" that it's boring, that is a little vague? Constant exposition, everyone explains how they feel and their motives, barely anything happens in an episode so people can keep up and barely any development
>I don't think any Gundam has ever been. Gundam has never been super deep but many have tried to make points that you clearly missed
>>13839387 >predictable is synonymous with dumbed down How on earth is it not in this example? Fumitan was just a cliche character that everyone saw coming a mile away for cheap sympathy and drama. Is that not dumbed down?
>>13839383 >Constant exposition, everyone explains how they feel and their motives, barely anything happens in an episode so people can keep up and barely any development You know what's hilarious? They're going about it the way they logically should to avoid miscommunication and misunderstandings between people, and there's almost no personal conflict as a result. And it's boring because of it.
>>13839406 >You wouldn't call that a central theme of Gundam in most cases? No I'd say it is that new generations cause change and lead to different things. I mean unicorn was incredibly ham fisted with this POSSIBILITY stuff
But so much money in early UC which causes no change.
>>13839399 I'm just entertained by the idea that in colonizing the solar system, despite the technology involved in doing so the outer rim of society is pretty much favelas and townhomes and stuff you'd see inna hood.
>>13839410 I've honestly enjoyed most of the gundam shows I've watched even some of the bad ones (Destiny is entertaining as fuck). But yeah, the only other gundam show that was hard to watch for me to watch was AGE. I guess the nice thing about IBO is that I only have to sit through it ~24 minutes a week.
>>13839383 >Gundam has never been super deep but many have tried to make points that you clearly missed
When your underlying message for the series is a slightly more obtuse way of saying, "nukes are bad guys", "war is bad and sometimes innocent people die and that sucks", or "SPACE OPPRESSION!"
Gundam isn't exactly the musings of Descartes the themes are so general and have been done to death in other media that I don't really see the point you are trying to make. Gundam tries, but it is never been anything revelatory that you probably don't already know was the case and it apes the exact same themes that any wartime setting would pull from.
>>13839434 Nobody claimed that Gundam is super deep or anything, but IBO is certainly quite shallow compared to a lot of the other gundam shows (even the first season of Build Fighters arguably has more depth). I thought Urobuchi pulled out a pretty nice analysis on G-Reco from >>13834158. There's some pretty nice discussion on themes developed and used throughout the series in that thread too.
>>13839410 >awful character design It really bugs me. Usually, a show has it's own look, ya know? Characters drawn within a certain range But with IBO, it looks more like it's cast is from three or four different anime.
>>13839394 You don't need misunderstanding for personal conflict. You just need the characters to disagree on SOMETHING
Maybe you could have an episode where Kuedlia has to ask them to take a large risk for little financial compensation. Then you get some infighting and drama between those who do and don't want to take the risk. It'd reveal a bit more about them as people, show us which characters are more driven by ideology, show us which care more for their own personal gain, which ones are more willing to put their lives on the line, etcetera. I'm not asking the show for an episode exactly like this, but fuck just give me something.
I understand where you are coming from but no i don't think it is dumbed down. That would imply that had it been better written some people wouldn't understand why her death matters in the larger scope of the plot which I think is pretty clearly laid out. I think this is more of a case of writing a character from the start with the sole intention of having them get murdered later as a catalyst for a plot point.
They didn't give her a character because ultimately it wouldn't have mattered much in the grand scheme of things even if you got to know the character and felt worse about it. Could it have been better? Sure.
This has the effect of obviously of either the character in question is sitting in the background the entire series or be so blatantly obvious they are going to die it doesn't come as a surprise.
While I agree with you that the characters are extremely one note where they ARE their singular character trait I don't think "dumbed down" is the word I would use. Maybe generic or basic but dumbed down has a different connotation and there have been some pretty one note characters in previous series.
>>13839478 >You don't need misunderstanding for personal conflict. You just need the characters to disagree on SOMETHING Well you do a bit, or at least it adds variety and can expand on why there is a disagreement
I think a lot of the problem here is that the series isn't finished.
If it continues on this trajectory I can understand the complaints. The problem is most people are comparing it to series that have already been wrapped up and have a definite start and end point to the story which a still airing series doesn't have. I feel like it's at the the point now where it's actually gearing up where some shit COULD happen, but it may have taken too long to get here.
>>13839479 >That would imply that had it been better written some people wouldn't understand why her death matters in the larger scope of the plot which I think is pretty clearly laid out. No it doesn't, he is saying it shouldn't have been so obvious what exactly would happen 10 episodes before. It being more obvious closer to the fact is fine and is making sense after once details had been expanded on. If it wants to be obvious then it needs to expand on it and flesh out her characters and ideals to make the moment interesting, if we cared about her then it adds a sense of dread
Instead she is a bit character that has fuck all to her and we all saw she was going to die as the show lacks substance and is dumb down
>>13839394 The conflict is either subdued (the inner machinations of Mikazuki's mind are an enigma outside of his unyielding loyalty to Orga and family) or suffering from failure to launch (Kudelia constantly looping back on herself about how useless she feels up until the most recent episode where she seems to have finally launched out of the gate).
I will say it's greatly preferable to Eren Jager / Shirogane Takeru writing where you have your character get egg on their face, strive to better themselves, and almost actually mature in some way only to have egg thrown on their face and reset them back to telling themselves I NEED TO BE STRONGER, IF ONLY I WERE STRONGER. That sort of character development blueballing is the fucking worst.
>>13839503 >where you have your character get egg on their face, strive to better themselves, and almost actually mature in some way only to have egg thrown on their face and reset them back to telling themselves I NEED TO BE STRONGER, IF ONLY I WERE STRONGER Literally Kudelia
>>13839477 Say what you want about G-Reco, but at least there's actually stuff in the show you can talk about. The same is true of 0079, CCA, etc. We all still argue over the "Lalah was like a mother to me" line and other gundam stuff all the time. Hell there's even more things to talk about in SEED.
The thing with IBO is that there's just not much to discuss. 99% of IBO threads are just talking about how bad it is or how boring it is.
I'm enjoying it, but it is certainly moving pretty slowly. Just kind of feels they want a big wide world with various parties and powers but they don't know how to tie it all together is a reasonable amount of time, or at least thus far anyways. Hopefully cornfield chronicles will pick it's feet and get it's shit together in turn.
That is completely fair, but again like I said if it continues on this trajectory I fully understand where people are coming from.
And again like I said it may have taken TOO long to get to where the series is now and that's an issue.
Personally I don't feel that way but that's probably because I only have to watch a 25 minute episode once a week instead of a series all at once. If I was to watch IBO from 1-17 all in one shot I would probably give up around episode 8 because I agree not much happens and it could definitely be cut down in some spots.
It feels like something is GOING to happen but who knows if it actually will.
Reddit would go "FEMALE PROTAGONIST" and MUH FEMINISM. Me, I just want more Dog Life/Dog Style-type stories.
Seriously, give us an actual story about soldiers. That's all I've ever wanted. Make it a story more in 0079's vein, about "How we survived the war" instead of having the protagonist beat everyone up as a third faction. Just lead your side to victory, don't make everyone stop fighting.
It is ill concede, but that's exactly my point it's the same type of themes and tropes just told slightly more obtusely than what I described. Does that make any of those tropes or themes less relate-able or less understandable IF they were more basic, not really.
Being overly pedantic about stuff like that though just sounds makes people sound pretentious and it's what a lot of people who talk about how DEEP stuff like gundam is come off like.
>>13839478 Lets talk about what we could have >Orga struggling under the strain of leadership >Orga abusing his powers as a leader to the point where where his actions become no better than those of the original cgs leadership >Orga's overconfidence/over-reliance on mika's skill making him to put other crew members who just arent as good in serious danger, possibly resulting some of them getting killed >Or orga pushing the crew too hard in too crazy a direction just impress mika. >All the brash, risky decisions that orga seems to make, which biscuit was constantly scolding him for start to backfire and his inexperience starts to show. >Actual conflict that goes somewhere between Orga and Eugene who was as his character bio says, the original leader before orga arrived. >Mika questioning his willingness to follow orga's orders unquestionably, Mika's respect for Orga diminishing. We really should have been shown why mika is the way he is by now, as well the background behind his relationship with Orga. It's been 17 episodes and nothing about the two has been expounded upon. It might not be a problem but mika has almost no personality, and we don't even have context to understand why this is.
But that's the genius of it, you can run the show you were going to make anyway AND run actual commercials. There is literally a Gunpla commercial before every episode of the fucking extended gunpla commercial.
>>13839569 I'm confused. In what way was 0079 obtuse? I think a good example is the scene where Amuro meets his mother on Earth. There's a certain disconnect between the two. You can see Amuro and his mum can't relate to each other in the same way as before, since Amuro is now a soldier. A similar scene is the Bright slap scene. Amuro protests over his beating, and Bright tells him that in the military he just has to get used to it.
Both of these examples highlight and demonstrate the disconnect between civilians and soldiers. Unlike IBO, it never falls back on the characters explaining how they feel outloud. Instead it's implied through conversation and body language.
>>13839607 >Both of these examples highlight and demonstrate the disconnect between civilians and soldiers. Unlike IBO, it never falls back on the characters explaining how they feel outloud This. We are able to see their relationships, understand and even possibly relate without being told how we should feel. It isn't anything complex it's just basic storytelling that IBO lacks
The reason no one has in depth discussions about IBO is because there is no meat to go at. None of it is left up to interpretation we are just told
>>13839617 If this was IBO the slap scene would have had Amuro internally monologing >woah, can Bright slap me like that? That hurt! Gosh, military life sure is different, this would never have happened to me as a civilian!
>>13839629 >Yes Amuro I am worried about my position leading White Base and do not always know the best course of action. This is partly why I hit you but it is also because I see you as an important part of our family and thus must force you to grow up so you can be relied on despite it obviously causing some ware on your body and mind. The gundam needs a pilot because we can't just rely on the learning computer it has which helps with it's fighting capability which was made by your father
Obtuse is the wrong word. obfuscated, involved, or elaborate might be better. Making it not inherently apparent that that is what is going on.
But again the themes of the the 0079 aren't exactly hard to grasp even for a general audience and can be boiled down to the exact same trope. There are, like you, said areas that are left up to interpretation in some respects in series like 0079 that aren't present in IBO, there is very little rumination on characters enough.
The problem inherent to IBO is that it is tell not show. Which means there aren't many opportunities for characters to HAVE actual character reactions to events. It's weird because I feel like a lot of what happens to the cast is just mainly them being played for reactions because they themselves as character don't know what the fuck is going on.
While this makes ends up making the characters "boring" it also makes shit incredibly easy to follow. That doesn't mean that it doesn't employ the exact same tropes/cliches in the exact same way as previous series, one is just much more blatant about it. Even then nobody is arguing that IBO is better in regards to than other series either because there are way better series but I think IBO is if nothing else an alright watch at 25 min a week.
>>13839629 no if this was ibo any scene that could be used to expand upon the characters and their relationships would constantly divert to be shown from kudelias viewpoint which she would inevitably twist to give context to her own personal struggles
The actual interesting thing about IBO is Mikazuki as a character.
Either he's badly written with insight given to how he feels about stuff only when the writers feel like it, or he's deliberately written to be difficult to read because life circumstances led him to become a stone faced robot on the surface.
I wonder if the show will explore the disconnect between how he conducts himself and how he feels, stuff to elaborate on why he so easily loses his shit when people he considers to be family have been hurt, because there's enough episodes left in the show to expand on why all of a sudden Mika is feeling blown away by Kudelia's resolve.
Seriously, he's in this weird grey area of either handled poorly or handled more cleverly than led to believe.
>>13839659 >he's deliberately written to be difficult to read I find him pretty open really. He either outright says how he thinks or him making a frowny face is put centre screen
My problem is he barely feels like a main character. Orga, Guts and Biscuit have been more involved with plots both having mini arcs and discussing elements, kudelia has a fuck ton of screen time, Atra had her backstory but was has Mika had? His only really major roles have been turning up for the rare fight, choking Garma and kissing Kudelia. He could pretty much be replaced with any of the random kids and shit would be the same, he is so passive he rarely has an effect on a scene
>>13839835 They seem to have edited their articles to remove mention of him, but they do use the same source he used.
It makes me crack up when I read the comments and see "This story is too complex to wrap up in 10 episodes." Like, really? Next episode, Kudelia is going to give a speech and bring to light the horrors of the G-Horn to the general public. Mask will use this as his opportunity to try to reform G-horn with public support. G-horn will try to stop this, showing the world their true colors. Major battle occurs, the organization is publicly denounced by the world governments and it's leaders imprisoned, and Kudelia gives her speech to the world leaders.
I think this show would have benefited from having G-Reco's timeslot. I feel like this series has been neutered to air next to Yugioh. Like that scene where the protesters are massacred by tanks and they hide it behind a smokescreen. That shit should be out in the open to really drive it home. Same thing with the ramifications of being a child-soldier from a PMC.
>>13839856 >"This story is too complex to wrap up in 10 episodes." Those people need to get into better fiction, whether it's books, TV shows or other anime. IBO is shallow and cliche as hell. I'd call it immature but it's a show about brightly colored action figures posing around.
Or rather it's immature in an slightly different sense, in that it tries to be mature but it really isn't.
>>13839914 No, but it may allow the show to actually... I don't know, do something with it's setup with some actual depth. This is almost as shallow as SEED and I can't help but imagine some exec just looking over the show liking the concept but demanding they make it more kid-friendly.
>>13840138 >DEEP space Gundam 00 sequel would probably be the most appropriate for that kind of story since the groundwork has already been laid and there's nowhere else to go but forward. AGE also had promise initially with the UE before Sunrise chickened out and made them butthurt colonists.
SEED's space whales are a joke at this point but I can't it working without drastic rewriting of Destiny.
>>13839362 There's like a million ways you can 'change' Gundam but the question is a) would it even work and even if it did b) would the Gunota and likewise autistic fanbase accept it. There's like literally a checklist of things that have to be in every Gundam series in some way shape or form.
G Gundam is probably the furthest in terms of really really "out there" that a mainline Gundam series would get and that was over 2 decades ago and even that still had the tropes in it.
>>13839362 A few things that I would like to see in Gundam that will never happen:
*Move the setting closer to the modern era, kind of like how 00 did but moreso--feature combined arms, near-contemporary weapons, no space colonies etc.
*Make the Gundams smaller, somewhere within the range of powered exoskeleton size -> 5m tall rather than 20m tall giant robot.
*Related to the former points, show the Gundam and mobile suits as being part of an actual emerging technology that has limitations rather than something that displaces all other weapons and is engineered in such a way that it can survive re-entry unaided and can also operate underwater with no problems.
*Make the conflict one that is morally ambiguous and present the viewpoints of both sides in such a way that the viewers can decide for themselves who is in the right.
*Make the conflict about something tangible and zero-sum, like resources, rather than about ideology.
*Show the military functioning in a way that has more resemblance to the actual military, POGs and everything.
That's basically what he described, lmao. If they really wanna capitalize on the current trends then they should do something based around idols - There would be a total of 5 gundams, each with its own idol. Brilliant.
>>13839175 Thats not a casual anime fan. The people who are enjoying this dont use anime boards like mal or even know 4chan exists. The streaming numbers for crunchyroll that have slipped indicate it was in their top 5 for Fall.
it likely ranked pretty high on hulu too for the "geek /nerd" fan that the batman and marvel movies createdand now holywood and tv studios cater too. Its babys first gundam for many.
>>13841233 Judging by that isn't a great way to do it as without solid numbers things are easily fudged
For example cruchnyroll's only real ranking is a popular tag, but what does that even mean? It says these shows are popular but in what order? You will also noticed the 5 most popular for a season just happen to be the 5 featured shows, and guess what other show was featured but isn't any more.
>>13841429 >People thought the tanks would be relevant >People thought this show would be more down to earth and plot points like fuel would be a big deal I swear if people who said but it had a good start went back and watched they see it has all the same issues, the things it looked like it was going to do were just little throwaway things
>>13839054 >Is it doing worse than AGE did over there? Actually, yes. http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/77872 It can't be confirmed until the show ends and we get the data, but ep 14 broke the record in having less than 1% viewer-ship. That's WORSE than Superior Defender Gundam Force.
>>13839030 As some anons have said, it suffers from the terminal flaw of being boring. Objectively speaking, there's nothing majorly wrong IBO but it doesn't do enough with its characters or premise to stand out from the glut of similarly themed shows. Now unless there's some grand plan for this series behind the scenes, I'm calling it Sunrise's least ambitious project in recent years which is a real shame because design-wise, the series has everything going for it.
Furthermore, it's usually an uphill battle with any new Gundam series because everyone has their own assumptions about what the series will be like (often before it's even aired). It's the show's job to either commit to those assumptions or surprise the audience with an unexpected twist. IBO seems unwilling to do either at this point.
>Implying a Gundam series about a squad in the OYW with minimal plot, instead focusing on shitty-ass prototype mobile suits slicing each other's limbs off wouldn't be the best shit >Implying you don't want Target In Sight: The Series that would prompt Gunpla of the best mobile suits, with GMs up the butthole
>>13841544 >Objectively speaking, there's nothing majorly wrong IBO apart from the animation quality
I'd even god as far to say it is one of the worst looking. Yes 0079 has some very goofy looking moments but there is also a decent amount of motion in fights and it is all very well framed. In normal talking scenes 0079 generally looks quite good. IBO has characters constantly off model even when it is an episode with zero fighting. When there is fighting it generally lacks much motion and looks quite bad when it does
>>13839175 AZ had a lot of controversy. The show managed to be both boring and exciting in how it riled up the fanbase to love and hate various aspects of it. Pic related for example broke out insanity all over the internet in the east and west. The ship war, the character war, etc, but with IBO no one gives a fuck about the cast enough for that stuff.
>>13841811 While there was a drop off as with all second seasons, it's undeniable it had a lot more buzz online than IBO because people actually talked and wanted to speculate. And even with the 2nd season there was a lot more discussion than IBO. I don't really know how such a bad show managed but it.
>>13839968 Kudelia is too much of a whiner to be a fusion of Lacus and Relena. And she's not eccentric enough to be any of those. She's the sort of heroine you see in shounen manga who is always crying about being useless.
>>13839030 >Stupid dorky-looking mc made to look bad-ass but given dorky looking eyes and a gross-ass looking spine >Stupid explanation to justify said dorky looking eyes and gross-ass looking spine >Killed off Fumibags instead of stretching out her character development >Giving awesome grunt suits stupid looking heels >Why has IBO's reception in Japan been so bad? I've been wondering the same thing OP...
>>13841830 Protag was shot, people went apeshit and spent months speculating if whether he(and heroine) were alive or not. Add in the other protag who shot him having a fanbase as well and you have a perfect storm
>>13841544 I'd say it has some serious plot holes/plot conveniences or whatever you want to call it. Why didn't anyone check the cargo? Why did that one guy recognize Kudelia after seeing her on TV, but no one else did? And so on.
>>13841849 I can't think of any straight up plot holes apart from the sniper scene in general and the photo.
Plot conveniences are a funny thing though. Dianna and Kihel is a horrible one but people generally don't complain, why? Because it leads to a very interesting story and strong character development and moments not just for those two but for characters around them. This is why it is forgiven. IBO's problem is they never lead to something interesting. Gut's brother was a convenience that lead to him repeating the same lines for 3 episodes, introduced a lot of poorly written characters and rounded off with his brother going crazy cause the writers couldn't think of a good way to end it all.
IBO's problem isn't having conveniences, it's that it does nothing to justify them. Guts could have had the same scenes if he just new they were slaves as well and it wouldn't have been less interesting.
>>13841965 >What makes IBO so popular with some people, even going as far to say it is the best gundam in a while? No, just saying they are stupid is not an answer
Some fans were so assblasted by G-Reco that their knee-jerk reaction was to throw in their lot with the next show, whatever it is. They underestimated just how shitty this franchise could become and now they're on full damage control in order to defend the choices they've made. Because you can't admit you're wrong on the internet without going full c.uck.
>>13842002 While 9th is nothing to scoff at, but it certainly shows a divide between the shows. Also do we know what length of time this takes in cause I kinda doubt it could have had more views than Eva
Another way to compare is number of reviews on crunchy roll. Now IBO is at 4 1/2 which is a respectable score but compare the number of reviews to that of AZ and another airing series to be put on the featured list like IBO was, Erased (chosen as it is a new series and featured)
Now notice that IBO technically has a higher score than AZ and just lower than Erased. From this you could technically say IBO is a popular show. But IBO actually has less than half the reviews of each, to go even further IBO doesn't even have half the 5 star reviews that AZ or Erased has. Basically these statistics could let you claim either way on how popular it is.
The first episodes were really good and I had a lot of hope, then they got on the ship and the plot stopped moving.
I think people claiming it is the best gundum ever just kept that first impression and forgot there have been over 10 episodes of nothing and that unless this gets another season I don't see how this can end without turning into a rushed mess.
>>13842324 >The first episodes were really good Were they though? Think about the general issues with IBO. Heavy exposition that they didn't even try to hide as such. The plot didn't really go anywhere especially in the first 3 episodes where it is just talking about how hard orphan life is, ghorn are dicks and Kudelia was sad. There was quality like pic related.
Early on had all the same issues, people just ignored it as the show finding it's feet
>>13842358 People thought it was just the standard opening episodes exposition, and would probably pick up eventually. And a few impactful scenes, like Mika killing those guys, let people ignore the flaws.
>>13841965 False drama. Same reason why people watch and love garbage like Law and Order SVU and Ghost Whisperer. There's no real weight to the drama, but often time it's some sort of touchy topic like "rape babies" or "muh dead mother" which gives the illusion that it's a severe problem for the characters. "Muh oppression" is another one, in reality Gallajorn's oppressiveness has no real weight behind it but because so far we're told they're evil we're expected to believe that opposing them is a serious matter.
At least in shows like 00 we see the blatant evil of A-Laws and the Innovedes. Even if it's heavyhanded at least it has substance.
>>13842723 >because so far we're told they're evil we're expected to believe that opposing them is a serious matter. No we have seen them act badly, but it is moves any antagonistic side would make. The problem is how they come across as so nothing.
They are just a very generic oppressive military. They aren't super strong in their belief, members aren't good guys who happen to be on the wrong side (Crank was be his total screen time is like half an episode), they aren't spiralling out of control, we aren't seeing a load of political action and backstabbing inside the organisation and they aren't even just super evil. It isn't nuances, it isn't blunt, it just isn't really anything.
>>13842704 You tell em brother, fuck the haters Ugh I mean its soooo good IOt reminds me of how gundams supposed to be like the the 90's Gundam shows, raw and gritty, not what they have been showing recently all glitz, glamour, and colours. Especially the colours. To me this is the biggest freshest air since Gundam Origins, which by the way second OVA is out now, because I love the gritty feeling. This is what Gundam is supposed to look like. Yeah I get it new day and age sure you want pretty dazzling colors and weird freaky character designs why not. If you tend to watch this for old school art then you'll enjoy otherwise you, like majority of the new kids, will not be pleased. I mean the art is incredible. Probably the best artwork from this season of anime and also from every Gundam series I have seen.
Great OP song, which is very appropriate for this series. Not such a huge fan of the ED, but it is also chosen wisely to go with the theme of the series. In every episode we get some great characterization, even for the supporting cast. Each of the characters is very well written, the dialogue is incredible, almost no cliche so far, which also makes me happy. My favorite is Mikazuki outward appearance of him is just a young kid but once you get into it and start seeing his dialogue and his interactions with Orga you start to see his solider/survivor side which is truly enjoyable to watch. My enjoyment is so great, that every episode feels like 5 minutes, the mecha fights are on another level, the story is so good that it engulfs you right from the start.
Its a 10/10 & I am not giving this rating because I am a mecha fan, I am giving this grade, because I am an anime fan. Anyway correct me if you disagree with my opinion though i dont care lol, I never seen Gundam shows in my entire life until it started to get me an attention after I seen the first gundam show which was 00 & AGE then later Build Fighters so pardon my attitude, please.
>>13841693 I'm still scratching my head over why BF hasn't become more of a institution like yu gi oh or pokemon. I mean that was kind of the appeal, a semi unique shonen show with badass robot fights mixed in. Easy to write, easy to merchandise and easy to develop a fanbase
I legitimately think gunpla development is part of it, it takes a lot of work to design so many suits that are cool enough to work in the show and can be produced by reusing a substantial portion of old kit runners
>>13842783 >Not such a huge fan of the ED Shit taste
>Started at 00 >Thinks he has an opinion that matters >What I Got has absolutely nothing to do with mecha in a mecha anime >Saying the characters are developed >Acting like Mika and Orga have interacted much >Highlighting the boring dialog >10/10 show
>>13842857 It was the other fat old guy, McMurdo is the weeb.
That whole bit was just weird, like they just lucked out and happened to have a line that no one ever checks. Lazy but at least they didn't just use a mobile phone. That can get directly to the fat guy who is like the head of an organisation. Again lazy but okay that can pass. Who can (being kind considering Mika is also fighting all that time) in ten minutes was able to get the censorship bureau whatever to just stop. No cause if he can do that then just how powerful is that guy? From Mars he can do that? If he had been told to do it when they got their and then had only just pulled it off by that episode then it is reasonable enough for a 25 episode show but not in that span of time
yeah they reprint them frequently, I'm just saying designing something like tryon 3 where it has a cool gimmick for the show but still uses many of the old HG ZZ runners is more difficult adds difficulty to making and marketing a BF season compared to something like yugioh
I find that IBO is competently executed, but it's problem is that it is just so uninteresting and shallow there's not really any reason to invest in the series.
Gundam AGE, on the other hand, is executed about as well as a middle-school play with the teacher directing it drunk on cheap vodka. It handles everything so poorly and hamfisted, the series transforms into a parody as it tries it's hand at every Gundam cliche it can get it's grubby hands on. It makes me laugh my ass off hard each episode.
AGE is fun to watch in how bad it is. IBO is just boring.
>>13843249 It was a good idea. The first fight wasn't bad. Setting most of the story in space was a terrible idea though because you lose a sense of scale and position, which are very important to well-choreographed melee fights. Not that IBO would have been great even if it was grounded but it's just another of the show's many poor decisions and flaws.
>>13839517 that is because 24-26 episodes are too little for a TV series of this franchise. there's way too much stuff to explain and show in the setting's world. could you imagine if zeta was only 24 episodes? or any other series for that matter. it is like you fuckers, that have wasted more time on this shit then you should have totally ignore that your favourite gundam series would totally be shit if it had only halve of the episodes with alot of stuff beign cut. to the point of not even getting your <insert favourite scene here. But instead we get a bunch of retards that wants rushed and lame writting. because they are accostumed with "shocking" and deaths scenes happening every two seconds
>>13843289 It worked well at first but it's not a good idea to keep doing it all the time, because melee fights are more personal, in a war-like setting you should keep that for enemies that are important or contrast heavily with the protagonist.
I totally agree, having most of the series be set in space was a bad idea. It could have worked but the director wasn't talented enough to keep the series engaging the whole way.
>>13843308 Yeah it isn't like a format exists where shows are usually only about 6 episodes or less, or even crazier only one episode but it is like 2 hours and you go to a big house to watch it with other people.
>>13843214 You don't make bath towels and pencil cases for a show you are throwing out the door with no much money going into it. IBO was meant to be the next 00 and I see no way that this didn't lead to a decent budget
BF may look like more there but keep in mind that is 2 shows worth. Greco and BF are mostly just gunpla and dvds while IBO has a lot highier variety in other goods and gunpla +dvds. Make sure to buy your Biscuit mini cloth and pass case!
>>13843423 People keep going "But BF/G-Reco had lower ratings and they're still successful" but it's obvious than Banrise has much higher expectations for IBO. It's a show that they expect to be a success, not one where success will surprise them.
>>13843682 With IBO they explicitly said they were targeting teens and younger audiences, and at first it worked but they couldn't carry the momentum. I'm sure Bandai sees it as kinda of a disappointment.
>>13844801 Well that demographic is still ones of their higher (though it has seriously dropped off to 1.0 at points) rated groups but I doubt it is good enough that people want a Mcgillis pencil case
What is interesting is how many suits are getting robot spirits which we saw planned before the show started. This means they think people will buy a HG, NG 1/100 and that. Although IBO will probably sell okay in general with blurays and HGs I think they are going to see some serious loses from over confidence
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