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Why has IBO's reception in Japan been so bad?
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>>13839030

Not bad enough to stop it from getting a second season at least.
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because its a bad show?
I hope that the bad reception to IBO being so fucking boring doesn't make Sunrise make a Gundam that's just constantly fighting with no plot
unless it's a new g-gundam
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>>13839030
Gandamu is ded
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>>13839030

Is it doing worse than AGE did over there?

I can't speak for Japan, but I know I've got a mixed opinion of IBO now that I'm starting to get caught up on it.

I love the aesthetic and the mechanical designs. And I find the setting to be really interesting (I'm looking forward to the inevitable side story or two), but tonally and thematically it feels kinda derivative. It feels more like they're kinda trying to ape a lot of the uber-popular stuff (Attack on Titan) in that respect. And to me, that's strange. Since Gundam is a show that I've always viewed as one that started trends versus one that aped them.
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The reception is mixed not straight bad

although viewing figures are low many there is still a decent amount of positive talk behind it. Over time this has waned as people got bored it is possible the plot coming to a head will interest people more

The sales figures are mediocre, not bad but it selling a little less than greco did at this stage is not a great sign. Gunpla sales aren't known and gossip at best
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>>13839054
>I'm looking forward to the inevitable side story or two
What makes it inevitable? You have to do well to get those
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Remember how by X people where just sick of it
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V1 did 10k BD/DVD so it can't be all that bad compared to like Age or something
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It's doing nowhere near as good as they thought it would be, but it's definitely not doing bad
Derringer said it's been much more well received worldwide and gotten foreign casuals into gunpla so there's that
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>>13839068
Age got a bunch of side stories
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It's the lack of robots. The viewership ratings spike whenever there's promise of mobile suits doing something. Like how did anyone greenlight so few mobile suit fights in a Gundam airing at primetime is beyond me.
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>>13839068

The only series that comes to mind that didn't have two-to-three sidestories was Gundam X. It just had Under the Moonlight.

Even AGE had, like, a bunch.
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>>13839080
We want the contrived anime drama audience
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>>13839047

Makes me wonder why doesn't Sanrise just fold and start doing MTVs with robot fighting for 15 minutes and whatever singles or singers they want to promote. I would still buy gunpla with that.
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>>13839076
>Derringer said it's been much more well received worldwide and gotten foreign casuals into gunpla so there's that
No he said the Barbatos was selling better than Build Strike or Burning.

But that really can be put down to IBO having a lot more advertisement and being put up on multiple streaming sites, while BF and Try just got thrown on youtube with not much said. Also when were build fighter kits put in american stores? Cause the IBO releases seem quite close to the Japanese ones
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Was this second season confirmed or what?
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Just wait till it ends and marathon it. I liked it a fuckton more after I skipped several weeks and watched it all at once. Makes it feel like mores happening.
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>>13839098
>>13839047
It was rumoured by amazon CD listing marking it as season 1. No where else listed it like that and Japan didn't freak out so it was a mistake
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>>13839089
I worded my post incorrectly , it's doing well worldwide
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>>13839107
>would buy
not have bought, it's like saying SEED's reception is great so everyone would buy the gunpla. The only actually kit commented on was Barbatos
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It's not gendum enough for the gendum audience.

It does need a better director, before anyone gets the wrong idea and thinks I'm blaming the Gundam audience for the show's lack of wholesale success.
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>>13839030
Because it's not very good.
It's so fucking boring because nothing happens.
Meanders about too much. I don't care about Ghallajhorn because I know barely anything about them and we barely ever interact with them or see them doing any oppression.

Let's compare this to Zeta. Within the first few episodes we've got a reason to dislike the Titans. They killed Kamilles mummy, we see Kamille get beaten by them after 'isn't that a girls name', and we know they've gassed some colonies.
With Ghallajhorn, I just couldn't give a shit, and neither do the characters. It's just business to them.
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Is the show finished or is there still a few episodes left to wait for? I'm putting it off so I can watch it all back to back.
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>>13839030
IBO gets similar ratings as Age and sells similar like G-Reco.
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anyone have an updated version of this?
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>>13839137
7 or 8 episodes left, may or may not get a second season
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>>13839137
Upcoming is 18/24.

Do definitely wait. There's a lot less going on than there ought to be so it should be marathoned.
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>>13839137
There are 8 episodes left.
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MARI APOLOGIZE!
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>>13839054
>I love the aesthetic
Me too, the QUALITY is so amazing and unique.
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>>13839107
>IBO's international reception is amazingly high
This is true but also not so much

Most other sites do have a more positive attitude to the show, but the actual numbers watching seem pretty low. Compare how many were talking about IBO vs AZ (a show that was a hit with the normies)

http://myanimelist.net/anime/22729/AldnoahZero/forum
http://myanimelist.net/anime/31251/Mobile_Suit_Gundam__Iron-Blooded_Orphans/forum

Even on AZ's lower episode talk count it is still much higher than IBO on average, which struggles to get over 100 a lot of the time. So IBO has this weird thing of being a hit with people outside here, but that group seems quite small
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>>13839120
It needs a better director and scriptwriter, but at this late stage it's too late. Basically Sunrise really need to stop handing the reins over to total cowboys, not even Origin has been safe from their hamfistedness.
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>>13839175
>>IBO's international reception is amazingly high
Two of my friends on Facebook are rabid IBO fans.

One uses a grimderp name on Facebook (the word "raven" is involved) with zero irony, and the other is so fucking retarded he supports Trump despite being Asian and is also a birther.

That's the sort of people giving it a high reception.
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>>13839178
I still think they'll run through every director and writer in Japan before that happens.
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>>13839191
Well we've got two of the worst possible cards right here and now, I struggle to see how they could do worse.
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Let's put it like this: what's the ultimate recipe for success nowadays? What is it specifically to Gundam or mecha in general?
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>>13839191
>IBO episode as written by Ichiro Okouchi and directed by Goro Taniguchi
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>>13839187
IBO is a competent show for people who just want something in the background. Not much happens and it is all made very clear, they get some drama, very small bits that push certain characters together (this bit is done weaker than the others) and people sound like they will do something. At the end they give some dumb hook like a kiss or an enemy appears.

It doesn't do any part of this well enough to get a lot of people in but it just clicks with a few as they go hey it's like az and aot
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>>13839107
This sounds like the best PR spin ever.
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>>13839207
It'll be interesting when they actual dvds come out and to see how well they do. I think by then a lot of this new audience will have straight up forgot about the series
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>>13839201
Biggest recent gundam success was Unicorn
Had gratuitous mech porn, waifubait, fujobait, sawano OST, SEED tier drama and was Early UC
Then there's 00 with gratuitous mech action, waifubait, fujobait and somewhat contrived drama
Build Fighters had gratuitous mech action, UC homages, waifubait and shotacon bait
G-Reco had gratuitous mech action, lickable pussies and a somewhat fragmented story with minimal drama

IBO lacks the gratuitous mech action bit.
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>>13839074
10k at half price anon.
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Not enough waifus and the yaoi bait has so far been disappointingly tame.
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>>13839210
Gundam IBO is clearly not catching the casual audience that both SEED and 00 caught.
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>>13839243
for reals
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>>13839258
Yes, for real.
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>>13839074
Vol. 1 11,497
Vol. 2 7,656.
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IBO just feels like another "love it or hate it" series like G-Reco was. I don't think I've ever seen a middling opinion for either. It's either the best Gundam series ever or an irredeemably shitty garbage show that is sounding the death knell for the franchise.
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>>13839216
And I'm fine with there not being gratuitous action, too many fights and I feel insultingly pandered to. I just wish the rest of everything wasn't so slow tame and underwhelming. It hasn't made any glaring missteps yet but I'm left wanting more. It's like the opposite of when I marathoned g-reco where there was so much action that it all seemed rather pointless and unfun.
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>>13839243
>yaoi bait has so far been disappointingly tame.
I think the problem is more they didn't understand how to yaoi bait

All those sort of shows (mainly sports ones) have certain dynamics that make them work. Fujos like certain archetypes in certain pairings with certain VAs, this can be messed with a little but that is difficult. Then you have to write it a certain way, shitty pointless drama usually around something like "You have a wolfs sould of determination but do you understand the dance of ultimate frisbee?" You never go full gay (mostly just show cuddling in promo art) but you have it be a big emotional thing, women get off on that sort of thing.

Thinking about IBO like this the only ones that sort of have it is Iamagay and brown haired dude. And even then is is a little too bare and obvious, no strife and they only have done a whole make sure you come back thing like twice. Mika and Orga are the otehr obvious pairing but they barely interact and there is no drama, at least not yet. Outside that there really aren't any pairings, so all it attracts are people who like the designs

>>13839258
Since the start they have seriously cut down on the shirtless guys thinking about it.
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>>13839276
>IBO just feels like another "love it or hate it"
It's really not. It doesn't have any substance to hate or dislike. It's more of a "Didn't hate it, but didn't like it either" show, like Turn A.
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>>13839263
why is best boy completely irrelevant?
why is orga completely irrelevant for that matter?
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>>13839292
Turn A has a lot more dedicated fellatiati.
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>>13839308
Cause IBO is a badly thought out series. The middle of the show made it very clear they lacked content and that the world was not very fleshed out. Everything just about reaches a bare minimum of competence (apart from Kudelia) but usually is a little wonky somewhere.
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>>13839276

>IBO just feels like another "love it or hate it" series like G-Reco was

I don't really think that's the case. G-Reco from a pretty normal viewers standpoint is an absolute shitshow in both writing and pacing, that doesn't make it bad per se, but it makes it at least IMO completely unapproachable for the average viewer.

IBO on the other hand feels like a direct answer to G-reco being a clusterfuck, It's REALLY easy to follow, takes it's time and is quite approachable compared to most series which I feel actually lends a lot more to watch-ability.

Now that being said everybody likes to be hyperbolic so it's why you always hear a love it hate it reaction.

Personally I have been enjoying this series a lot compared to most, a lot more than I expected too since I absolutely checked out from the SEED era and then just couldn't push my way through G-reco when I attempted to watch it. G-Reco is probably the most polarizing series I have ever had discussions with my friends who also watch Gundam.
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>>13839292

The difference being that Turn A actually has something of a fanbase who praise it. IBO just has people that watch it and go "yeah I guess that was a little okay."
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>>13839243

Fumitan seems popular enough, so it's not like the show's devoid of women.

The yaoi thing's kinda right on the money. For being almost a total sausage fest, it's surprisingly free of yaoibaiting.

Aside from the gay little mechanic, I mean.

>>13839168

QUALITY aside, I loved their take on Mars and I dig the mechanical designs.
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>>13839292
Every time someone compares IBO to Turn A God cries
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>>13839330
>I feel actually lends a lot more to watch-ability.
The problem is it fails by being so dumbed down it is boring, even normies have commented on how slow it is and how "well next episode they'll get somewhere!"

IBO isn't controversial because it doesn't have enough going on to be so
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>>13839335
>I loved their take on Mars
what? dusty?

The only other bits we saw were normal looking farm, normal looking city and normal looking run down city. IBO has a real problem of making places look very mundane despite being the far future
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I'm just hoping they've been deliberately holding the pacing lever back at idle and are gonna start sliding it closed to the firewall now that the "Gjallarhorn is literally the NSA" reveal is actually being played out and the shooting started.
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I really hope the mixed reception for this show doesn't make the next Gundam show cookie cutter 0079 rehash number 3000. Kid stumbles into Gundam, forced to join white ship to travel to Earth after his colony was attacked etc.
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>>13839359
Where can we go with Gundam?
Seriously, it's been almost 40 years of gundam.
What else can we do to change up the formula
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>>13839030
it's the X of modern Gundam
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>>13839359
>Kid stumbles into Gundam, forced to join white ship to travel to Earth after his colony was attacked etc.
Wow, sounds like IBO. Except the ship being white.
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>>13839363
But X is good and interesting.
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>>13839030
It doesn't retard, it's doing okay. If you're going to shitpost at lest put some effort.
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>>13839349

Care to explain what you mean by "dumbed down" that it's boring, that is a little vague?

Do you mean like, there isn't a gundam shootout every episode or what?

Personally I think it's pretty stock standard when compared to like 90% of other gundam series. I mean there isn't exactly philosophical musings about the duality of man. It's definitely not DEEP, but I don't think any Gundam has ever been.
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>>13839356
Not him but I fucking love mundane future as a style.

There's something really attention grabbing about portraying the future as being pretty much like life today but across a larger scale of settlement.
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>>13839330

>It's REALLY easy to follow, takes it's time and is quite approachable compared to most series

I agree that quality isn't always necessarily a bad thing, but there is a significant difference between being approachable and being so shallow that the show has almost no substance. IBO falls into that second category more often than not and that's its biggest problem.

Audiences can't bring themselves to care because they aren't given a reason to. The characters have no depth beyond basic personality traits and the plot, despite being incredibly straightforward, is recapped for us at least once every two episodes as if we'd forget, which is insulting to the viewer's intelligence.
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>>13839362
f91 redo
whilst also ignoring the existance of crossbone, or atleast reworking it to fit better tonally
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>>13839366
yeah sure
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>>13839356
>problem
I'm pretty sure that's the reason there's an independence movement at all. Mars being a terraformed and habitable but mundane and desolate 'oops we can't stop building fucking slums because capitalism' isn't particularly common, especially when gundam's use of Mars is restricted to AoZ and the PC98 F90 game and in AoZ I'm fairly certain they had to stay in sealed structres if i remember right. Could they have done more with it? Probably some. Did they stay too long for what it was? Yes.
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>>13839369
>Care to explain what you mean by "dumbed down" that it's boring
People called Fumitan's entire character arc like 10 episodes before it happened.
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>>13839362
There's a lot they could try but it may rub the fanbase the wrong way if it strays too far from the norm.
I'd say another martial arts show like G but we just got Try. We still don't have full on interplanetary war.

I'd like a short series about a city based on Atlantis with a focus on aquatic MS.
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>>13839369
>Care to explain what you mean by "dumbed down" that it's boring, that is a little vague?
Constant exposition, everyone explains how they feel and their motives, barely anything happens in an episode so people can keep up and barely any development

>I don't think any Gundam has ever been.
Gundam has never been super deep but many have tried to make points that you clearly missed
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>>13839368
thats its anon, chin up :)
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I remember when you retards tried to convince me Reco was doing badly.

I'm sure this show will be fine as well.
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>>13839380
>predictable is synonymous with dumbed down

I'm sorry we didn't run the script through a bad translation generator enough times so that you could enjoy the linguistic puzzle of deciphering what is going on.
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>>13839387
>predictable is synonymous with dumbed down
How on earth is it not in this example? Fumitan was just a cliche character that everyone saw coming a mile away for cheap sympathy and drama. Is that not dumbed down?
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>>13839383
>Constant exposition, everyone explains how they feel and their motives, barely anything happens in an episode so people can keep up and barely any development
You know what's hilarious? They're going about it the way they logically should to avoid miscommunication and misunderstandings between people, and there's almost no personal conflict as a result. And it's boring because of it.

Almost pottery.
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>>13839372
>but across a larger scale of settlement.
The city on mars didn't seem to be, unless you mean you find it exciting that more places look exactly like they do now
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>>13839399
Humans actually living on two planets at last and nothing has changed at all? You wouldn't call that a central theme of Gundam in most cases?
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>>13839366
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I keep watching because I enjoy every gundam series, but IBO has no message, boring fights, no plot, awful character design, and some of the worst animation I have seen recently.
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>>13839406
>You wouldn't call that a central theme of Gundam in most cases?
No I'd say it is that new generations cause change and lead to different things. I mean unicorn was incredibly ham fisted with this POSSIBILITY stuff

But so much money in early UC which causes no change.
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>>13839399
I'm just entertained by the idea that in colonizing the solar system, despite the technology involved in doing so the outer rim of society is pretty much favelas and townhomes and stuff you'd see inna hood.
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>>13839410
I've honestly enjoyed most of the gundam shows I've watched even some of the bad ones (Destiny is entertaining as fuck). But yeah, the only other gundam show that was hard to watch for me to watch was AGE. I guess the nice thing about IBO is that I only have to sit through it ~24 minutes a week.
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>>13839407
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>>13839410
I am 80% sure this post was written by a Valvrager.
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>>13839168
do you understand the difference between quality and aesthetic?
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>>13839383
>Gundam has never been super deep but many have tried to make points that you clearly missed

When your underlying message for the series is a slightly more obtuse way of saying, "nukes are bad guys", "war is bad and sometimes innocent people die and that sucks", or "SPACE OPPRESSION!"

Gundam isn't exactly the musings of Descartes the themes are so general and have been done to death in other media that I don't really see the point you are trying to make. Gundam tries, but it is never been anything revelatory that you probably don't already know was the case and it apes the exact same themes that any wartime setting would pull from.
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>>13839418

I actually liked age a lot. I don't have a hard time watching ibo but I wouldn't have much fun watching it all at once. I had the same experience with wing.

>>13839428

I think you missed the part where I said I enjoy every gundam series.
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>>13839433
Yes, you can't show you good aesthetic if you keep trashing it with QUALITY.
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>>13839443
is English your first language?
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>>13839434
Nobody claimed that Gundam is super deep or anything, but IBO is certainly quite shallow compared to a lot of the other gundam shows (even the first season of Build Fighters arguably has more depth). I thought Urobuchi pulled out a pretty nice analysis on G-Reco from >>13834158. There's some pretty nice discussion on themes developed and used throughout the series in that thread too.
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>>13839443
And yet 0079 remains a high water mark for the franchise.
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>>13839410
>awful character design
It really bugs me. Usually, a show has it's own look, ya know? Characters drawn within a certain range But with IBO, it looks more like it's cast is from three or four different anime.
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>>13839461
>But with IBO, it looks more like it's cast is from three or four different anime.
This, especially later on when they expand the cast

I also find the VA is all over the place, that one kid who nearly died really sticks out as he has this really full on happy anime voice
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>>13839455
is zeta is the least QUALITY gundam?
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>>13839453
I want to complain about what butcher said but that's the only way g-reco really makes sense.
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>>13839394
You don't need misunderstanding for personal conflict. You just need the characters to disagree on SOMETHING

Maybe you could have an episode where Kuedlia has to ask them to take a large risk for little financial compensation. Then you get some infighting and drama between those who do and don't want to take the risk. It'd reveal a bit more about them as people, show us which characters are more driven by ideology, show us which care more for their own personal gain, which ones are more willing to put their lives on the line, etcetera.
I'm not asking the show for an episode exactly like this, but fuck just give me something.
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>>13839393

I understand where you are coming from but no i don't think it is dumbed down. That would imply that had it been better written some people wouldn't understand why her death matters in the larger scope of the plot which I think is pretty clearly laid out. I think this is more of a case of writing a character from the start with the sole intention of having them get murdered later as a catalyst for a plot point.

They didn't give her a character because ultimately it wouldn't have mattered much in the grand scheme of things even if you got to know the character and felt worse about it. Could it have been better? Sure.

This has the effect of obviously of either the character in question is sitting in the background the entire series or be so blatantly obvious they are going to die it doesn't come as a surprise.

While I agree with you that the characters are extremely one note where they ARE their singular character trait I don't think "dumbed down" is the word I would use. Maybe generic or basic but dumbed down has a different connotation and there have been some pretty one note characters in previous series.
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>>13839478
the problem is they do that, and resolve the conflict within the same scene by actually talking get for a minute instead of autisming and fucking off to sulk and angst.
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>>13839478
>You don't need misunderstanding for personal conflict. You just need the characters to disagree on SOMETHING
Well you do a bit, or at least it adds variety and can expand on why there is a disagreement
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>>13839478
it's sad when gundam seed had better drama and action scenes at this point
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>>13839479
Oh, the context I mean by "dumbed down" was in comparison to characters in other Gundam series. Okay, Fumitan was never a major character or anything, but still.
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>>13839478

I think a lot of the problem here is that the series isn't finished.

If it continues on this trajectory I can understand the complaints. The problem is most people are comparing it to series that have already been wrapped up and have a definite start and end point to the story which a still airing series doesn't have. I feel like it's at the the point now where it's actually gearing up where some shit COULD happen, but it may have taken too long to get here.
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>>13839485
When was this again? I've already forgotten half the show, and admittedly dropped it around episode 14.
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>>13839479
>That would imply that had it been better written some people wouldn't understand why her death matters in the larger scope of the plot which I think is pretty clearly laid out.
No it doesn't, he is saying it shouldn't have been so obvious what exactly would happen 10 episodes before. It being more obvious closer to the fact is fine and is making sense after once details had been expanded on. If it wants to be obvious then it needs to expand on it and flesh out her characters and ideals to make the moment interesting, if we cared about her then it adds a sense of dread

Instead she is a bit character that has fuck all to her and we all saw she was going to die as the show lacks substance and is dumb down
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>>13839394
The conflict is either subdued (the inner machinations of Mikazuki's mind are an enigma outside of his unyielding loyalty to Orga and family) or suffering from failure to launch (Kudelia constantly looping back on herself about how useless she feels up until the most recent episode where she seems to have finally launched out of the gate).

I will say it's greatly preferable to Eren Jager / Shirogane Takeru writing where you have your character get egg on their face, strive to better themselves, and almost actually mature in some way only to have egg thrown on their face and reset them back to telling themselves I NEED TO BE STRONGER, IF ONLY I WERE STRONGER. That sort of character development blueballing is the fucking worst.
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>>13839500
When there has been 17 episodes of something it is fair to make points, especially when certain arcs have wrapped up
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>>13839503
>where you have your character get egg on their face, strive to better themselves, and almost actually mature in some way only to have egg thrown on their face and reset them back to telling themselves I NEED TO BE STRONGER, IF ONLY I WERE STRONGER
Literally Kudelia
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>>13839047

It genuinely feels like Gundam 00 in that regard.

You can legit tell there is a stop gap coming of sorts at the climax of events near the end of this series.

8 potential Valkyrie frames, 68 missing Gundam types and the other Seven Star families all missing from the mix.
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>>13839477
Say what you want about G-Reco, but at least there's actually stuff in the show you can talk about. The same is true of 0079, CCA, etc. We all still argue over the "Lalah was like a mother to me" line and other gundam stuff all the time. Hell there's even more things to talk about in SEED.

The thing with IBO is that there's just not much to discuss. 99% of IBO threads are just talking about how bad it is or how boring it is.
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>>13839511
Kudelia doesn't do character donuts.

She floors it with the e-brake on.
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I'm enjoying it, but it is certainly moving pretty slowly.
Just kind of feels they want a big wide world with various parties and powers but they don't know how to tie it all together is a reasonable amount of time, or at least thus far anyways.
Hopefully cornfield chronicles will pick it's feet and get it's shit together in turn.
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>>13839511
Well at least she might have stopped blueballing us.
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>>13839508

That is completely fair, but again like I said if it continues on this trajectory I fully understand where people are coming from.

And again like I said it may have taken TOO long to get to where the series is now and that's an issue.

Personally I don't feel that way but that's probably because I only have to watch a 25 minute episode once a week instead of a series all at once. If I was to watch IBO from 1-17 all in one shot I would probably give up around episode 8 because I agree not much happens and it could definitely be cut down in some spots.

It feels like something is GOING to happen but who knows if it actually will.
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>>13839126

Gjallarhorn just recently baited presumed terrorists into getting slaughtered.

Earlier on they attempted to kill a single woman at the expense of potentially dragging themselves further into disgrace by killing child soldiers.

The point of Gjallarhorn is an honourable government with incredibly corrupt dealings going on underneath the surface.

McGillis and Gaelio are only there for them to eventually coup d'etat the men responsible for these dealings. And it's looking more like it's Iznario, McGillis' father who is behind the corruption.

The Titans in comparison are just fascist autocrat monsters. What you learn about them is just blind overpowering evil that has to go, Gjallarhorn can actually be redeemed on the other hand.
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>>13839030
it's doing fine, what the fuck are you on?
I'm not even a fan of the show but its doing better than try and Reconquista
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>>13839542
>better than [. . .] Reconquista
Definitely no. Reconquista was pretty well-received and sold well.
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>>13839434
I think that's dumbing it down a bit
What I get from Gundam is more "war is bad but sometimes you just gotta do it. Even if we could understand each other it would still exist"

Zeon had good people who were ultimately manipulated by fancy speeches. Did someone like Ramba Ral deserve to die? Not really, but it had to be done because Zeon had to be stopped
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>>13839362

Thunderbolt. Super-gritty war stories, less peacenik bullshit. A focus on military units and adult protagonists, with less navel-gazing and more war crimes.
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>>13839542
Surprisingly, G-reco have better ratings and BD sales than both GBF and GBFT.

Not sure what to feel about it after all that shitposting I did.
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>>13839552

Reddit would go "FEMALE PROTAGONIST" and MUH FEMINISM. Me, I just want more Dog Life/Dog Style-type stories.

Seriously, give us an actual story about soldiers. That's all I've ever wanted. Make it a story more in 0079's vein, about "How we survived the war" instead of having the protagonist beat everyone up as a third faction. Just lead your side to victory, don't make everyone stop fighting.
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>>13839547

It is ill concede, but that's exactly my point it's the same type of themes and tropes just told slightly more obtusely than what I described. Does that make any of those tropes or themes less relate-able or less understandable IF they were more basic, not really.

Being overly pedantic about stuff like that though just sounds makes people sound pretentious and it's what a lot of people who talk about how DEEP stuff like gundam is come off like.
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>>13839566
>Make it a story more in 0079's vein
So the exact opposite of Thunderbolt? A mature story instead of a "mature" story?
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>>13839560

GBF and GBFT are literally a 26 episode long commercials though. Who cares about the ratings when that really wasn't the actual intention.

My money is they did exactly what they were intended to do, be full of fanservice and sell gunpla.
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>>13839579
Yeah they're just fun little romps that bring in more model kits and builders.
I am surprised though they didn't do a BIT more advertising though.
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>>13839579

Yes, they sold gunpla, but do remember the point of commercials:they have to be seen or watched since they're advertisements.
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>>13839478
Lets talk about what we could have
>Orga struggling under the strain of leadership
>Orga abusing his powers as a leader to the point where where his actions become no better than those of the original cgs leadership
>Orga's overconfidence/over-reliance on mika's skill making him to put other crew members who just arent as good in serious danger, possibly resulting some of them getting killed
>Or orga pushing the crew too hard in too crazy a direction just impress mika.
>All the brash, risky decisions that orga seems to make, which biscuit was constantly scolding him for start to backfire and his inexperience starts to show.
>Actual conflict that goes somewhere between Orga and Eugene who was as his character bio says, the original leader before orga arrived.
>Mika questioning his willingness to follow orga's orders unquestionably, Mika's respect for Orga diminishing.
We really should have been shown why mika is the way he is by now, as well the background behind his relationship with Orga. It's been 17 episodes and nothing about the two has been expounded upon. It might not be a problem but mika has almost no personality, and we don't even have context to understand why this is.
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>>13839576

You're going to have to elaborate. The mythology and worldbuilding of 0079 is a lot more mature than the show itself, until Lalah dies and the final arc begins.
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>>13839594

But that's the genius of it, you can run the show you were going to make anyway AND run actual commercials. There is literally a Gunpla commercial before every episode of the fucking extended gunpla commercial.
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>>13839569
I'm confused. In what way was 0079 obtuse?
I think a good example is the scene where Amuro meets his mother on Earth. There's a certain disconnect between the two. You can see Amuro and his mum can't relate to each other in the same way as before, since Amuro is now a soldier. A similar scene is the Bright slap scene. Amuro protests over his beating, and Bright tells him that in the military he just has to get used to it.

Both of these examples highlight and demonstrate the disconnect between civilians and soldiers. Unlike IBO, it never falls back on the characters explaining how they feel outloud. Instead it's implied through conversation and body language.
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>>13839607
>Both of these examples highlight and demonstrate the disconnect between civilians and soldiers. Unlike IBO, it never falls back on the characters explaining how they feel outloud
This. We are able to see their relationships, understand and even possibly relate without being told how we should feel. It isn't anything complex it's just basic storytelling that IBO lacks

The reason no one has in depth discussions about IBO is because there is no meat to go at. None of it is left up to interpretation we are just told
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>>13839617
If this was IBO the slap scene would have had Amuro internally monologing
>woah, can Bright slap me like that? That hurt! Gosh, military life sure is different, this would never have happened to me as a civilian!
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>>13839629
>Yes Amuro I am worried about my position leading White Base and do not always know the best course of action. This is partly why I hit you but it is also because I see you as an important part of our family and thus must force you to grow up so you can be relied on despite it obviously causing some ware on your body and mind. The gundam needs a pilot because we can't just rely on the learning computer it has which helps with it's fighting capability which was made by your father
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>>13839607

Obtuse is the wrong word. obfuscated, involved, or elaborate might be better. Making it not inherently apparent that that is what is going on.

But again the themes of the the 0079 aren't exactly hard to grasp even for a general audience and can be boiled down to the exact same trope. There are, like you, said areas that are left up to interpretation in some respects in series like 0079 that aren't present in IBO, there is very little rumination on characters enough.

The problem inherent to IBO is that it is tell not show. Which means there aren't many opportunities for characters to HAVE actual character reactions to events. It's weird because I feel like a lot of what happens to the cast is just mainly them being played for reactions because they themselves as character don't know what the fuck is going on.

While this makes ends up making the characters "boring" it also makes shit incredibly easy to follow. That doesn't mean that it doesn't employ the exact same tropes/cliches in the exact same way as previous series, one is just much more blatant about it. Even then nobody is arguing that IBO is better in regards to than other series either because there are way better series but I think IBO is if nothing else an alright watch at 25 min a week.
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>>13839629
no if this was ibo any scene that could be used to expand upon the characters and their relationships would constantly divert to be shown from kudelias viewpoint which she would inevitably twist to give context to her own personal struggles
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The actual interesting thing about IBO is Mikazuki as a character.

Either he's badly written with insight given to how he feels about stuff only when the writers feel like it, or he's deliberately written to be difficult to read because life circumstances led him to become a stone faced robot on the surface.

I wonder if the show will explore the disconnect between how he conducts himself and how he feels, stuff to elaborate on why he so easily loses his shit when people he considers to be family have been hurt, because there's enough episodes left in the show to expand on why all of a sudden Mika is feeling blown away by Kudelia's resolve.

Seriously, he's in this weird grey area of either handled poorly or handled more cleverly than led to believe.
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>>13839641
0079 isn't hard to grasp, no.
But it's still far more nuanced than IBO.
If 0079 is a young adult novel, then IBO is a picture book. And not even a good one.
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>>13839659
>he's deliberately written to be difficult to read
I find him pretty open really. He either outright says how he thinks or him making a frowny face is put centre screen

My problem is he barely feels like a main character. Orga, Guts and Biscuit have been more involved with plots both having mini arcs and discussing elements, kudelia has a fuck ton of screen time, Atra had her backstory but was has Mika had? His only really major roles have been turning up for the rare fight, choking Garma and kissing Kudelia. He could pretty much be replaced with any of the random kids and shit would be the same, he is so passive he rarely has an effect on a scene
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>>13839550
Thunderbolts story is terrible.
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>barely any straight IBO doujin

This is a sure sign that it's not popular in Japan at all. Even 00 at least had fuckloads of Sumeragi doujins during S1.
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>>13839672
He feels like a black box. You can see what goes in, what goes out, but what actually goes on inside is obscured, with at best him saying out loud what's currently on his mind.
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>>13839659
>he's deliberately written to be difficult to read because life circumstances led him to become a stone faced robot on the surface.
So, Merc-Inaho?
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>>13839708
Maybe, I dunno.
The circumstances make it seem more plausible in Space Prunes' case compared to Earth Eggs'.

I mean, being a martian orphan child soldier in a PMC full of asshole adults can't be good for one's developmental years.
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>>13839723
Mika and Guts seem to be the only ones appropriately fucked up by such an upbringing.
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>>13839047
Is there even a source on this that isn't that idiot gundamguy?
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>>13839798
Nope. ANN and Crunchyroll both used him as a source for their articles.
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>>13839806
>ANN and Crunchyroll both used him as a source for their articles
Jesus
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>>13839793
Akihiro feels more human, which is ironic considering how human debris were supposed to be less than human.

But yeah he does carry a chip on his shoulder bigger than just about everyone on the cast.
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>>13839806
>ANN and Crunchyroll both used him as a source for their articles.
The anime community is fucking retarded.
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>>13839835
They seem to have edited their articles to remove mention of him, but they do use the same source he used.

It makes me crack up when I read the comments and see "This story is too complex to wrap up in 10 episodes." Like, really? Next episode, Kudelia is going to give a speech and bring to light the horrors of the G-Horn to the general public. Mask will use this as his opportunity to try to reform G-horn with public support. G-horn will try to stop this, showing the world their true colors. Major battle occurs, the organization is publicly denounced by the world governments and it's leaders imprisoned, and Kudelia gives her speech to the world leaders.

It's not that hard.
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>>13839550
Thanks for the daily cringe pal
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>>13839847

I did appreciate the random Fist of the North Star-styled villains for that arc.

It reminded me of how Dragonar and Layzner similarly pulled some wasteland rejects out of their respective asses.
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I think this show would have benefited from having G-Reco's timeslot. I feel like this series has been neutered to air next to Yugioh. Like that scene where the protesters are massacred by tanks and they hide it behind a smokescreen. That shit should be out in the open to really drive it home. Same thing with the ramifications of being a child-soldier from a PMC.
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>>13839048
G Gundam has one of the most engaging plots in all of gundam though.
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>>13839856
>"This story is too complex to wrap up in 10 episodes."
Those people need to get into better fiction, whether it's books, TV shows or other anime. IBO is shallow and cliche as hell. I'd call it immature but it's a show about brightly colored action figures posing around.

Or rather it's immature in an slightly different sense, in that it tries to be mature but it really isn't.
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>>13839866
Everyone was in love with Hollywood in the 80s
Dancougar has them fighting against basically what amounts to Terminators, one even looks like Arnie.
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>>13839877
Making it bloodier won't really make the writing better.
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>>13839914
No, but it may allow the show to actually... I don't know, do something with it's setup with some actual depth. This is almost as shallow as SEED and I can't help but imagine some exec just looking over the show liking the concept but demanding they make it more kid-friendly.
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>>13839924
>This is almost as shallow as SEED

It's worse, Kudelia's like some kind of unholy fusion of Lacus, Aida, and Relena
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>>13839968
>Aida
She doesn't pilot and looks like shit
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>>13839894
Then there's Acrobunch pretty much being an Indiana Jones mecha show, at that.
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>>13839030
no fucking action and the main plot is advancing like a snail.

A 40 episode show would have left/enter earth after around 13-5 episodes, we are still stuck around the outer reaches of Earth at 17.
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>>13839187
>One uses a grimderp name on Facebook (the word "raven" is involved) with zero irony,
whoa, I think I know that guy. Does he have rage in his name too?
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>>13839362
Make more Votoms
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>>13839362
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>>13839030
I find a lot of Ebikawa's designs seem look better as toys than they actually do in show. Like a standard tv budget can't give his designs enough detail to stop them from looking like toys
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>>13839362

DEEP space Gundam.

Fantasy mecha Gundam. (SD Gundam doesn't count)

I'd say something like "Raideen the Superior-styled Gundam" but I think Wing and/or 00 cover that one in a lot of respects.

Underwater Gundam.

G Generation the Animation.

Time travel Gundam.
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>>13840015
Most of the Votoms OVAs are terrible.
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>>13839362
moeblob gundam girl show
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>>13840142

Last Red Shoulder's pretty good. And Mellowlink stands on it's own really well. Roots of Ambition is cool too.
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>>13840154
Yeah, but that's about it. Shining Heresy is kind of okay, and everything else is just dumb. More Votoms happened and it was a mistake.
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>>13840138
>DEEP space Gundam
00 sequel would probably be the most appropriate for that kind of story since the groundwork has already been laid and there's nowhere else to go but forward. AGE also had promise initially with the UE before Sunrise chickened out and made them butthurt colonists.

SEED's space whales are a joke at this point but I can't it working without drastic rewriting of Destiny.
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>Time travel Gundam
Maybe we'll get that in the TV adaptation.
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>>13840216
It was a visual metaphor god dammit.

YOU WILL SEE THE TEARS OF TIME.
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Has Mika "Simon'd" up yet or is he still Orga's buttboy? Sorry I haven't been following the show.
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>>13840200

AGE in general was really ambitious and had some interesting concepts. It just sorta puttered out along the way.

Maybe SEED's movie was going to deal with a sudden space whale invasion? That would have been cool.

Especially if it was like that doujin where one swallows the Archangel and then Shinn gets tentacle raped by it's innards.
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>>13839362
There's like a million ways you can 'change' Gundam but the question is a) would it even work and even if it did b) would the Gunota and likewise autistic fanbase accept it. There's like literally a checklist of things that have to be in every Gundam series in some way shape or form.

G Gundam is probably the furthest in terms of really really "out there" that a mainline Gundam series would get and that was over 2 decades ago and even that still had the tropes in it.
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>>13840223
Zeta wasn't that literal with its metaphors.
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People say they want Gundam to change but the minute they do something like have a girl as the main pilot, there would be wwwwwws everywhere
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>>13839030
Most people watch mecha anime to see robots fight. There is barely any robot fighting in IBO and when it does happen, it's not that impressive to warrant the long build up
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>>13840231
>Has Mika "Simon'd" up yet or is he still Orga's buttboy? Sorry I haven't been following the show.
Orga has calmed down and Mika is still the same.
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>>13840274
What happened to the team that did the fights in the first three episodes?
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>>13839362
A few things that I would like to see in Gundam that will never happen:

*Move the setting closer to the modern era, kind of like how 00 did but moreso--feature combined arms, near-contemporary weapons, no space colonies etc.

*Make the Gundams smaller, somewhere within the range of powered exoskeleton size -> 5m tall rather than 20m tall giant robot.

*Related to the former points, show the Gundam and mobile suits as being part of an actual emerging technology that has limitations rather than something that displaces all other weapons and is engineered in such a way that it can survive re-entry unaided and can also operate underwater with no problems.

*Make the conflict one that is morally ambiguous and present the viewpoints of both sides in such a way that the viewers can decide for themselves who is in the right.

*Make the conflict about something tangible and zero-sum, like resources, rather than about ideology.

*Show the military functioning in a way that has more resemblance to the actual military, POGs and everything.
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>>13839030
After G no Reconguista and two build fighters series I'm burned out on AU Gundam personally.
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>>13840310
So you wanted Tomino's original vision for Gundam?
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>>13840329
>So you wanted Tomino's original vision for Gundam?

What. Source on this?
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>>13840339

He's talked at length in several interviews about he wasn't a fan, at least initially, of some of the aspects of the original Gundam. Namely the stuff he was forced to do because of the toy sponsors.

Hell, even the novels have Amuro getting killed by a random grunt.
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That's basically what he described, lmao. If they really wanna capitalize on the current trends then they should do something based around idols - There would be a total of 5 gundams, each with its own idol. Brilliant.
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>>13839539
I think Gjallarhorn is not that evil and pretty much is way better then any other Gundam Governments. They don't gas people like Zeon and Titans nor just kill everybody like the A-LAWS.
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>>13840398

Tomino watches Love Live! with his Grandkids so who knows, maybe they might be able to pull it off.
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Tomino liked the power armour concept and his initial concept for mobile suits were to be "armored powered spacesuits" (hence the suit in mobile suit).

He also wanted the Gunboy (the initial name for Gundam) to be all white in color, but of course Clover their toy company sponsor didn't liked that.

>Make the conflict about something tangible and zero-sum, like resources, rather than about ideology

Do take in mind that ideology and resources go hand in hand together, and controlling Earth's resources was one of the major reason behind Zeon's invasion of Earth.
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>>13840602
One of the early draft for the Gundam, Guncannon and Guntank.
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>>13839539
>he point of Gjallarhorn is an honourable government
Dude, they are literally the Titans!
They light years away from being somehow honorable in any way.
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>>13839629
If this was IBO they probably wouldn't animate the scene.
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>>13839856
>This story is too complex to wrap up in 10 episodes.
More like they have to start and finish a story in 8 which will be a mess

Especially cause next week looks like a slow episode again
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>>13839175
Thats not a casual anime fan. The people who are enjoying this dont use anime boards like mal or even know 4chan exists. The streaming numbers for crunchyroll that have slipped indicate it was in their top 5 for Fall.

it likely ranked pretty high on hulu too for the "geek /nerd" fan that the batman and marvel movies createdand now holywood and tv studios cater too. Its babys first gundam for many.
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>>13841233
Judging by that isn't a great way to do it as without solid numbers things are easily fudged

For example cruchnyroll's only real ranking is a popular tag, but what does that even mean? It says these shows are popular but in what order? You will also noticed the 5 most popular for a season just happen to be the 5 featured shows, and guess what other show was featured but isn't any more.

Basically they are a poor metric to go off
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Notice how they announced that unicorn show? It's the same as origin being announced when AGE tanked, so clearly ibo is doing badly
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>>13839048
I have a feeling that people who say things like that about G Gundam has never seen it to begin with.

It's by Imagawa, enough said.
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>>13841263
It would make sense as a way to recoup some money easy. Not that I think IBO will lose them, it should earn a good amount just not the high profit the show was being pushed as
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They fucked up by not featuring the scavenging aspect of Barbatos more.

Like it was a shoulder guard and some armor for the forearm, and now just replace/repair the same Gundam parts over and over instead of scavenging
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>>13840023
Turn A did that already senpai
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>>13839030
cause it looks like shit?
The only good thing in this show was the little mech-tank things they tooled around in
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>>13841429
>People thought the tanks would be relevant
>People thought this show would be more down to earth and plot points like fuel would be a big deal
I swear if people who said but it had a good start went back and watched they see it has all the same issues, the things it looked like it was going to do were just little throwaway things
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>>13841263
>It's the same as origin being announced when AGE tanked,

They announced Origin shortly after announcing AGE, months before AGE even aired.
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>>13841263
They always release some UC crap whenever they make a new series.
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>>13839054
>Is it doing worse than AGE did over there?
Actually, yes.
http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/77872
It can't be confirmed until the show ends and we get the data, but ep 14 broke the record in having less than 1% viewer-ship. That's WORSE than Superior Defender Gundam Force.
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>>13841491
>yaraon
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>>13839030
As some anons have said, it suffers from the terminal flaw of being boring. Objectively speaking, there's nothing majorly wrong IBO but it doesn't do enough with its characters or premise to stand out from the glut of similarly themed shows. Now unless there's some grand plan for this series behind the scenes, I'm calling it Sunrise's least ambitious project in recent years which is a real shame because design-wise, the series has everything going for it.

Furthermore, it's usually an uphill battle with any new Gundam series because everyone has their own assumptions about what the series will be like (often before it's even aired). It's the show's job to either commit to those assumptions or surprise the audience with an unexpected twist. IBO seems unwilling to do either at this point.
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>Implying a Gundam series about a squad in the OYW with minimal plot, instead focusing on shitty-ass prototype mobile suits slicing each other's limbs off wouldn't be the best shit
>Implying you don't want Target In Sight: The Series that would prompt Gunpla of the best mobile suits, with GMs up the butthole
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>>13841505
That site is japan Kotaku, right?
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>Objectively speaking, there's nothing majorly wrong IBO
apart from the animation quality

I'd even god as far to say it is one of the worst looking. Yes 0079 has some very goofy looking moments but there is also a decent amount of motion in fights and it is all very well framed. In normal talking scenes 0079 generally looks quite good. IBO has characters constantly off model even when it is an episode with zero fighting. When there is fighting it generally lacks much motion and looks quite bad when it does
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> Sunrise's least ambitious project in recent years
>Valvrave had more GUTS than a Gundam show
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They're rushing too much. We jumped from Age to BF to Ge-reco to Try to IBO in only a few years. And that's with Unicorn behind the scenes.

Meanwhile there was what, a 4 year break between Destiny and 00? And 00 was split into seasons too.

Bandai's getting too greedy. They're so desperate for more and more money they're shitting out Gundam after Gundam simple cheap and out in a year and it's getting stale.

This is pretty much a problem with Japanese media in general that everything is so fucking expensive they need to bleed as much money out of an increasingly shrinking fanbase as possible.

They really need to figure out a new system or embrace a new way of doing things that isn't "more ass raping price stuff to sell to Japanese Otaku"
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>>13841582
Bandai isn't worried about diminishing the value of the Gundam brand as a tv show, if it can keep the high merchandising sales, which so far seems to be working.
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>>13841582
Gunpla's been selling pretty well these past few years (after AGE). That's all Bandai really cares about in the end.
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Way too many shit TV series in a row
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>>13841686
Except BF and G-Reco were good.
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>Fumitan seems pretty popular
Why do the best girls in gundam usually die? Hell the female characters I get attached to in most animes I watch get treated like shit.
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>>13839030
Not exciting, no memorable characters, not enough battles. If you're going to make it character focused you can't have everyone be completely bland.
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AZ had a lot of controversy. The show managed to be both boring and exciting in how it riled up the fanbase to love and hate various aspects of it. Pic related for example broke out insanity all over the internet in the east and west. The ship war, the character war, etc, but with IBO no one gives a fuck about the cast enough for that stuff.
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>>13841806
People sure do like to exaggerate especially since most people gave up after the first season.
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>>13841811
While there was a drop off as with all second seasons, it's undeniable it had a lot more buzz online than IBO because people actually talked and wanted to speculate. And even with the 2nd season there was a lot more discussion than IBO. I don't really know how such a bad show managed but it.
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>>13839968
Kudelia is too much of a whiner to be a fusion of Lacus and Relena. And she's not eccentric enough to be any of those. She's the sort of heroine you see in shounen manga who is always crying about being useless.
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>>13841806
>Pic related for example broke out insanity all over the internet in the east and west.
why exactly?
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>>13839126


It is the sacrifice we pay for non exploding mooks. You cant get away with stock animation of ms explodin in ibo
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>>13839030
>Stupid dorky-looking mc made to look bad-ass but given dorky looking eyes and a gross-ass looking spine
>Stupid explanation to justify said dorky looking eyes and gross-ass looking spine
>Killed off Fumibags instead of stretching out her character development
>Giving awesome grunt suits stupid looking heels
>Why has IBO's reception in Japan been so bad?
I've been wondering the same thing OP...

I wonder why...
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>>13841830
Protag was shot, people went apeshit and spent months speculating if whether he(and heroine) were alive or not. Add in the other protag who shot him having a fanbase as well and you have a perfect storm
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>>13841544
I'd say it has some serious plot holes/plot conveniences or whatever you want to call it. Why didn't anyone check the cargo? Why did that one guy recognize Kudelia after seeing her on TV, but no one else did? And so on.
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>>13839362
A fucking Gundam show WITHOUT A SINGLE MOBILE SUIT OR MOBILE ARMOR

It's genius. And revolutionary I tell ya.
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>>13841849
I can't think of any straight up plot holes apart from the sniper scene in general and the photo.

Plot conveniences are a funny thing though. Dianna and Kihel is a horrible one but people generally don't complain, why? Because it leads to a very interesting story and strong character development and moments not just for those two but for characters around them. This is why it is forgiven. IBO's problem is they never lead to something interesting. Gut's brother was a convenience that lead to him repeating the same lines for 3 episodes, introduced a lot of poorly written characters and rounded off with his brother going crazy cause the writers couldn't think of a good way to end it all.

IBO's problem isn't having conveniences, it's that it does nothing to justify them. Guts could have had the same scenes if he just new they were slaves as well and it wouldn't have been less interesting.
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>>13841920
Will she finally be introduced next episode?
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>>13841925
It is from the preview images on their twitter account, so yeah.
Also lots of STARING and robot in hangar.
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>>13841853
Anon we already have IBO
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>>13841544
Would it be apt to call this the Captain Earth of Gundam? I didn't find much wrong with it, I just couldn't be fucked to keep watching.
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>>13841937
More like Argevollen, since Captain Earth at least had sakuga.
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Okay here is a different spin

What makes IBO so popular with some people, even going as far to say it is the best gundam in a while? No, just saying they are stupid is not an answer
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>>13841965
Flavor-of-the-moment hype. Don't even act like /m/ isn't guilty of it either.
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>>13841920
There's no consistency in the character designs of this show.
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>>13841965
I only remember that happening for the first 3 episodes.
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>>13839175
A.Z first season is the third most watched mecha anime on kissanime, IBO is ninth.
I think that counts for something too.
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>>13841965
>What makes IBO so popular with some people, even going as far to say it is the best gundam in a while? No, just saying they are stupid is not an answer


Some fans were so assblasted by G-Reco that their knee-jerk reaction was to throw in their lot with the next show, whatever it is. They underestimated just how shitty this franchise could become and now they're on full damage control in order to defend the choices they've made. Because you can't admit you're wrong on the internet without going full c.uck.
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>>13842002
While 9th is nothing to scoff at, but it certainly shows a divide between the shows. Also do we know what length of time this takes in cause I kinda doubt it could have had more views than Eva

Another way to compare is number of reviews on crunchy roll. Now IBO is at 4 1/2 which is a respectable score but compare the number of reviews to that of AZ and another airing series to be put on the featured list like IBO was, Erased (chosen as it is a new series and featured)

http://www.crunchyroll.com/mobile-suit-gundam-iron-blooded-orphans
http://www.crunchyroll.com/aldnoahzero
http://www.crunchyroll.com/erased

Now notice that IBO technically has a higher score than AZ and just lower than Erased. From this you could technically say IBO is a popular show. But IBO actually has less than half the reviews of each, to go even further IBO doesn't even have half the 5 star reviews that AZ or Erased has. Basically these statistics could let you claim either way on how popular it is.
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>>13841920

>Earth uniforn

Rossweiss pilot confirmed, if she survives long enough.
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>>13842002
>kissanime
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>>13841853
GBF?
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>>13842036
IBO lacks the hype I guess.

>>13842230
It's pretty much the most casual thing there is, if we're talking about casual appeal then it's relevant.
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>>13841965

The first episodes were really good and I had a lot of hope, then they got on the ship and the plot stopped moving.

I think people claiming it is the best gundum ever just kept that first impression and forgot there have been over 10 episodes of nothing and that unless this gets another season I don't see how this can end without turning into a rushed mess.
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>>13842324
>The first episodes were really good
Were they though? Think about the general issues with IBO. Heavy exposition that they didn't even try to hide as such. The plot didn't really go anywhere especially in the first 3 episodes where it is just talking about how hard orphan life is, ghorn are dicks and Kudelia was sad. There was quality like pic related.

Early on had all the same issues, people just ignored it as the show finding it's feet
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>>13842358
I dropped this at episode 3
what a snorefest and from what I've seen in the threads, it kept being exactly that
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>>13842358
People thought it was just the standard opening episodes exposition, and would probably pick up eventually. And a few impactful scenes, like Mika killing those guys, let people ignore the flaws.
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>>13842358
True, I felt the same way about the start of the show as people feel about it now.
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>>13842372
That's pretty much how I felt. I thought the groundwork was pretty solid and a great story could have been developed. Too bad that went nowhere.
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>>13841576
This comparison is disturbingly accurate
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>>13841937
CE had Pitz at least
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>>13841491
I wonder what the hell they are saying.
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>>13841491
>Sin that killed Fumitan is heavy
hahahaha

also this is interesting
>Mountain of retailers of Manrodi's level to remember the horror ...
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>>13839362
Interstellar Gundam
They always bring up the idea like in Turn A, SEED, 00 and Reco, but never actually do it. If they actually do it similar to how Ideon was done it would be sick
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>>13839604
Ironically the themes at play in Lalah's death represent the height of 0079's pessimism.
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>>13841965
I guess it's popular with people who never watch Gundam or only know about what came after SEED.
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>>13841965

It's not a complete trainwreck of a show yet.
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>>13841965
False drama. Same reason why people watch and love garbage like Law and Order SVU and Ghost Whisperer. There's no real weight to the drama, but often time it's some sort of touchy topic like "rape babies" or "muh dead mother" which gives the illusion that it's a severe problem for the characters. "Muh oppression" is another one, in reality Gallajorn's oppressiveness has no real weight behind it but because so far we're told they're evil we're expected to believe that opposing them is a serious matter.

At least in shows like 00 we see the blatant evil of A-Laws and the Innovedes. Even if it's heavyhanded at least it has substance.
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>>13842723
>because so far we're told they're evil we're expected to believe that opposing them is a serious matter.
No we have seen them act badly, but it is moves any antagonistic side would make. The problem is how they come across as so nothing.

They are just a very generic oppressive military. They aren't super strong in their belief, members aren't good guys who happen to be on the wrong side (Crank was be his total screen time is like half an episode), they aren't spiralling out of control, we aren't seeing a load of political action and backstabbing inside the organisation and they aren't even just super evil. It isn't nuances, it isn't blunt, it just isn't really anything.
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>>13842704
You tell em brother, fuck the haters
Ugh I mean its soooo good
IOt reminds me of how gundams supposed to be like the the 90's Gundam shows, raw and gritty, not what they have been showing recently all glitz, glamour, and colours. Especially the colours.
To me this is the biggest freshest air since Gundam Origins, which by the way second OVA is out now, because I love the gritty feeling. This is what Gundam is supposed to look like. Yeah I get it new day and age sure you want pretty dazzling colors and weird freaky character designs why not. If you tend to watch this for old school art then you'll enjoy otherwise you, like majority of the new kids, will not be pleased. I mean the art is incredible. Probably the best artwork from this season of anime and also from every Gundam series I have seen.

Great OP song, which is very appropriate for this series. Not such a huge fan of the ED, but it is also chosen wisely to go with the theme of the series.
In every episode we get some great characterization, even for the supporting cast. Each of the characters is very well written, the dialogue is incredible, almost no cliche so far, which also makes me happy.
My favorite is Mikazuki outward appearance of him is just a young kid but once you get into it and start seeing his dialogue and his interactions with Orga you start to see his solider/survivor side which is truly enjoyable to watch.
My enjoyment is so great, that every episode feels like 5 minutes, the mecha fights are on another level, the story is so good that it engulfs you right from the start.

Its a 10/10 & I am not giving this rating because I am a mecha fan, I am giving this grade, because I am an anime fan.
Anyway correct me if you disagree with my opinion though i dont care lol, I never seen Gundam shows in my entire life until it started to get me an attention after I seen the first gundam show which was 00 & AGE then later Build Fighters so pardon my attitude, please.
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>>13842778

>it just isn't really anything.

That's pretty much IBO in a nutshell. It just leaves you indifferent.
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>>13842783

I can't believe everything in this entire post
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>>13842783
.....is this for real?
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>>13842783
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>>13842783
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Unpopular opinion, Raise your Flag isn't all that good and sounds like a bad alt song from a few years back.

Database was way more fun and catchier
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>>13842783
>To me this is the biggest freshest air since Gundam Origins
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>>13841693
I'm still scratching my head over why BF hasn't become more of a institution like yu gi oh or pokemon. I mean that was kind of the appeal, a semi unique shonen show with badass robot fights mixed in. Easy to write, easy to merchandise and easy to develop a fanbase
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>>13842820

I legitimately think gunpla development is part of it, it takes a lot of work to design so many suits that are cool enough to work in the show and can be produced by reusing a substantial portion of old kit runners
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>>13842831
Sure but a lot of the kits featured were in production or were legacy models. They could be bothered to put a few older ones back in production right?
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>>13842783
>Ugh I mean its soooo good
Nice sarcasm ya got there
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>>13842812
Borrow one of my macros next time. EEEE!
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>>13841873
McMurdo just letting Kudelia do her thing when he seems to have total control over the media.
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>>13842783
>Not such a huge fan of the ED
Shit taste

>Started at 00
>Thinks he has an opinion that matters
>What I Got has absolutely nothing to do with mecha in a mecha anime
>Saying the characters are developed
>Acting like Mika and Orga have interacted much
>Highlighting the boring dialog
>10/10 show

This bait is too tasty not to grab.
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>>13842820
Maybe Try was just that bad? I'm still waiting for those OVAs.
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>>13842783
You forgot "Haters are mad because they took away everything that makes Gundam Gundam. Well, excuse IBO for being different and trying something new."
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>>13842863
Well, we heard the Gunpla sold well enough but the creators weren't bragging like they did with BF.
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>>13842857
It was the other fat old guy, McMurdo is the weeb.

That whole bit was just weird, like they just lucked out and happened to have a line that no one ever checks. Lazy but at least they didn't just use a mobile phone. That can get directly to the fat guy who is like the head of an organisation. Again lazy but okay that can pass. Who can (being kind considering Mika is also fighting all that time) in ten minutes was able to get the censorship bureau whatever to just stop. No cause if he can do that then just how powerful is that guy? From Mars he can do that? If he had been told to do it when they got their and then had only just pulled it off by that episode then it is reasonable enough for a 25 episode show but not in that span of time
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>>13842783
Its real
jesus christ
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>>13842839

yeah they reprint them frequently, I'm just saying designing something like tryon 3 where it has a cool gimmick for the show but still uses many of the old HG ZZ runners is more difficult adds difficulty to making and marketing a BF season compared to something like yugioh
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>>13841967
I don't see how we can be considering we hate everything before it even starts airing.
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I find that IBO is competently executed, but it's problem is that it is just so uninteresting and shallow there's not really any reason to invest in the series.

Gundam AGE, on the other hand, is executed about as well as a middle-school play with the teacher directing it drunk on cheap vodka. It handles everything so poorly and hamfisted, the series transforms into a parody as it tries it's hand at every Gundam cliche it can get it's grubby hands on. It makes me laugh my ass off hard each episode.

AGE is fun to watch in how bad it is. IBO is just boring.
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Always love reading comments from some of you guys. You're all such smug fuckers you sound like you guys have your heads shoved so far up your asses.
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>>13842820
BF is more expensive to make than your average run-of-the-mill shonen.
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>>13843154
True, but somehow sunrise is managing to pump stuff like IBO and Reco out on a regular basis
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>>13842783
>/v/eddit tier clusterfuck image
No, just no.
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>>13842783
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>>13843171
I don't think IBO costs that much.
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>I find that IBO is competently executed
Oh did I mention that had a brother? But first we have to do something about these Orphans.
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>>13842910
>those are some serious trolls and should be dragged across the Gobi desert
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>>13843213
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>>13839048
>I hope that the bad reception to IBO being so fucking boring doesn't make Sunrise make a Gundam that's just constantly fighting with no plot

It's going to happen, producers try to contrast shows to see the elements that work and the ones that don't.
Whoever thought a melee focused Gundam is a good thing should be fired.
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>>13841965
its alright I guess its not that bad but its not great either
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>>13843249
It was a good idea. The first fight wasn't bad. Setting most of the story in space was a terrible idea though because you lose a sense of scale and position, which are very important to well-choreographed melee fights. Not that IBO would have been great even if it was grounded but it's just another of the show's many poor decisions and flaws.
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>>13839030
>Why has IBO's reception in Japan been so bad?

Nobody ever said Japan had good taste. Remember that they are the people that hated shows like Big O and Escaflowne which were well received internationally.
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>>13839517
that is because 24-26 episodes are too little for a TV series of this franchise. there's way too much stuff to explain and show in the setting's world. could you imagine if zeta was only 24 episodes? or any other series for that matter.
it is like you fuckers, that have wasted more time on this shit then you should have totally ignore that your favourite gundam series would totally be shit if it had only halve of the episodes with alot of stuff beign cut. to the point of not even getting your <insert favourite scene here.
But instead we get a bunch of retards that wants rushed and lame writting. because they are accostumed with "shocking" and deaths scenes happening every two seconds
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>>13843289
>Setting most of the story in space was a terrible idea though because you lose a sense of scale and position
The thing is most series don't, IBO just has awful direction

The problem is melee focused in space, it should always be a secondary used for when you have two characters clash at some point usually near the end.
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>>13843308
My favorite gundam series is war in the pocket. It is 6 episodes long.
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>>13843289
It worked well at first but it's not a good idea to keep doing it all the time, because melee fights are more personal, in a war-like setting you should keep that for enemies that are important or contrast heavily with the protagonist.

I totally agree, having most of the series be set in space was a bad idea. It could have worked but the director wasn't talented enough to keep the series engaging the whole way.
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>>13843308
Yeah it isn't like a format exists where shows are usually only about 6 episodes or less, or even crazier only one episode but it is like 2 hours and you go to a big house to watch it with other people.
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>>13843308
If time was an issue then there would be no good war movies. Okada fucked up with pacing the show.
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>>13843214
No probably not, but still, the same directorial staff and crew can bring the costs down
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>>13843214
You don't make bath towels and pencil cases for a show you are throwing out the door with no much money going into it. IBO was meant to be the next 00 and I see no way that this didn't lead to a decent budget

Okada much have a huge coke habit
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>>13843403
Isn't that just par for the course for Gundam?
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>>13843405
No, BF/Try and greco didn't get close to the same level of other merch.

http://slist.amiami.com/top/search/list?s_keywords=reconguista&submit=Search&pagemax=40
http://slist.amiami.com/top/search/list?s_keywords=iron+blooded+orphans&pagemax=40&getcnt=0&pagecnt=1
http://slist.amiami.com/top/search/list?s_keywords=build+fighters&pagemax=40&getcnt=0&pagecnt=1

BF may look like more there but keep in mind that is 2 shows worth. Greco and BF are mostly just gunpla and dvds while IBO has a lot highier variety in other goods and gunpla +dvds. Make sure to buy your Biscuit mini cloth and pass case!
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>>13843423
People keep going "But BF/G-Reco had lower ratings and they're still successful" but it's obvious than Banrise has much higher expectations for IBO. It's a show that they expect to be a success, not one where success will surprise them.
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>>13842518
>>Sin that killed Fumitan is heavy

That's like half the porn guys dropping it there.
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>>13839542
>but its doing better than Reconquista

Nigger google numbers its doing 1 to 3k less per volume. And it has no Grimoire kit.
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>>13839330
>. G-Reco from a pretty normal viewers standpoint is an absolute shitshow in both writing and pacing


Nice shitty opinion
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>>13843403
>You don't make bath towels and pencil cases for a show you are throwing out the door with no much money going into it.
Valvrave had those kind of gadgets too.
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>>13843682
>. It's a show that they expect to be a success
exactly

>>13844647
And they expected it to do well

They just aren't very good with predictions
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>>13843682
With IBO they explicitly said they were targeting teens and younger audiences, and at first it worked but they couldn't carry the momentum. I'm sure Bandai sees it as kinda of a disappointment.
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>>13844801
Well that demographic is still ones of their higher (though it has seriously dropped off to 1.0 at points) rated groups but I doubt it is good enough that people want a Mcgillis pencil case

What is interesting is how many suits are getting robot spirits which we saw planned before the show started. This means they think people will buy a HG, NG 1/100 and that. Although IBO will probably sell okay in general with blurays and HGs I think they are going to see some serious loses from over confidence
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>>13844801
G-Reco was also for kids, though, wasn't it?
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>>13844813
If you asked Tomino, it was not for anybody over the age of 20 but Bandai had another idea.
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>>13844809
Yes, it's not a flop or anything but it somewhat failed its main objective.

>>13844813
It's a late night anime, no way Bandai cared about kids seeing it.
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>>13844801
not younger audiences, they are specifically targetting edgey teens who want melodrama and young adults who think they're watching something sophisticated

For international audiences, this guy >>13842723 has the right idea of who's watching it and liking it; basically Baby's first gundam
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