>Infiltrate Earth Sphere and becoming a high ranking officer in one of the most influential faction on Earth
>Purposely spread technology blueprint to other faction on Earth so there will be an Arms Race between each factions
>Create an Army for a pacifist nation on a pretext of self-defense and develop high-end MS for the purpose of war
>Create tension between Earthnoid and Spacenoid and eventually dragging all humanity to war
>All because of peace has corroded humanity as whole and lead them to a state of decadence
>Wanted war to push humanity from the evolution bottleneck into a race of Newtypes
Colonel Cumpa Rusita is one of the Based villain in all Gundam Universe.
>to push humanity from the evolution bottleneck into a race of Newtypes
Did he ever say anything about Newtypes, specifically? I know he spoke of survival of the fittest, but it could've just been in the traditional sense; smarter, healthier, better work-ethics. No telepathy or empaths needed. Like Gihren, or Ezelcant. (I don't seem to remember Ezelcant mentioning X-Rounders in his Eden plan, either.)
You forget anon, by the events of F91 (a mere generation after Unicorn) no one really gave a shit about Newtypes anymore. People merely thought it was a way of saying a natural MS pilot.
The figure I heard was 500 years after Turn A, not thousands of them. Like around 2845 Correct Century. And I still don't know how seriously Tomino wanted to be taken.
The danger of forcing people into Newtypes—Cyber-Newtypes, I mean—is a recurring theme in Gundam. You might call those in G-Reco's past who didn't take that path "enlightened." If G-Reco does follow Turn A, maybe they're still following the spirit of Kihel/Dianna, who did away with cold-sleep and asked the Moonrace to distance themselves from a lot of technologies. She certainly wouldn't be in favor of Cyber-Newtype research. Maybe it's Kihel/Dianna who set the precedent for the Ag-Tech taboo. Not that I entirely believe the post-Turn A stuff.
I like it better when G-Reco is before Turn-A. it kinda fit perfectly when humanity who have been pacifist for over 1000 years suddenly got their hands on WMDs.
It kinda made the ending for G-Reco kinda grim when you think about it.
Yes, I prefer it that way too. Placing it after Turn A is bizarre on many levels, especially if you take G-Reco's use of the term "Universal Century" literally, and think about the history of the Kuntala.
Honestly I think Tomino should shave his head and offer a tear-filled apology on film for messing with our heads like that.
>It kinda made the ending for G-Reco kinda grim when you think about it.
Yes, and this what Tomino also said when explaining his reasons behind the reveal. He didn't wanted everything that happened in G-Reco to be for nothing.
>So instead, everything that happened in Turn A was for nothing
Not exactly. See, Tomino doesn't deny that wars and conflicts will never be over. He just didn't wanted G-Reco to be before Black History because he thought it was too drastic and grim (with all reason, since with the Moonlight Butterfly everything was destroyed).
Meh. If G-Reco really was meant to take place after Turn A, then we would have seen wreckage from the other timelines, including Turn A. I'll continue to believe in my head that it takes place after UC.
There's also the fact that a Mt. Fuji exists in the Reguild Century. If G-Reco really happened after Turn A, then the Earth would have been terraformed and reshaped countless times already and Fuji probably would have become as flat as a parking lot between all the wars and colony drops.
Just because another war is inevitable, doesn't mean that the temporary peace that the protagonists' victories bring isn't worth it though.
Even in present-day history, we don't say that shit like the American Revolution, American Civil War, WWII, and so on eventually become meaningless, because there are still people whose lives were positively impacted by the victories. You can certainly argue that history is written by the winners, but there's no real way to argue against equality for blacks and ending the Holocaust being good things in the long run.
And that's for me why Col.Cumpa Rusita has succeeded to become one of the greatest villain in Gundam History.
His plan to make Humanity great again by cultivating war achieved when humanity itself unleash Moonligh Butterfly upon themselves.
Are you saying that the world is like this because of those actions? I'm pretty sure an Axis victory would have changed things up significantly,and not for the best. Morals aside, /m/echa sure as hell wouldn't have been a thing.
that's the beauty of it though, he was so busy jacking it to "how well" his plan was going that he wasn't paying attention to Miss "I forgot to pack bellri's anti-warning shot snacks"
>G-Reco is before Turn-A
Let's completely ignored that Turn A lacked of any tech we have seen in G-Reco. From water compression, to pilot suit, to food, to navigation speed of Crescent Ship, to beam curving capabilities and so on.
>the faction clusterfuck
I loved that despite all his keikaku he was never really that in control. He could prod groups a certain way and hope it worked, but even people under his command didn't always listen like that black guy with a cold.
Characters who can control huge plans are fun but it was nice to see one who was actually just a bit too big for his britches.
Well black history is just an old term by then, we lose words and phrases over time
An interesting theory is UC came to mean all the black history. This would not be much different from the adoption of the modern calendar which we over right old ones with
OP is probably the same guy who is convinced that Gym Ghingham wants to evolve mankind in to a race of newtypes despite never mentioning anything to do with newtypes because newtypes are better pilots and Gym wanting to awaken people's fighting instinct therefor he really means newtypes.
Moe Pope did nothing wrong! Which made me very happy that the series wasn't full on religion is all evil, he was just a happy old man who liked tea and was use to an old system
RIP, she is still missed
Tomino giveth the waifu and Tomino taketh away
There are more shitty gundam series than good gundam series. I've given up on trying to find one that I like. 0083 was great and would have been perfect except that Kou was a humongous douechsnozzle and his friend was a pussy that literally did nothing the entire series and might as well have been cut entirely.
>most of dislikes are Amerifats unable to read the description
It's been so long since I saw 0080. Is there only like 1 Gundam fight in the whole thing, but it's ultra tense and relatively realistic (by mecha standards of course)? I should watch it again. I tried to watch F91 last week but I fell asleep. Nothing is satisfying the itch I have for Mecha + space naval warfare + infantry combat.
I want to see something like WWII pacific theatre in space but obviously with starfighters, space ships and mecha instead of carriers, fighter planes and battleships. Gundam universe seems to be the closest I can find.
>wasn't what people that don't know Tomino were expecting
Your theory doesn't really hold up.
Granted, I only know him from Mobile Suit Gundam, Zeta Gundam, ZZ Gundam, Char's Counter Attack, F91, Victory Gundam, and Turn A Gundam.
Having seen and liked every other Gundam he's directed, Reco became the only Gundam I've dropped.
If you're implying that it's somehow my fault that I expected the creator of Gundam to make a Gundam show that I would like, since I liked all his other Gundam shows, then you're just deluding yourself about the existence of opinions that don't align with yours. Just because someone doesn't like something you like doesn't mean they're mistaken or uninformed, it just means they didn't like it. It happens. No one is going to like every entry in a franchise equally, and nothing is going to be universally liked by everyone.
they stopped airing it to areas outside of asia by around episode 12 because of licensing issues so geez i wonder why these videos have so many dislkes
>Granted, I only know him from Mobile Suit Gundam, Zeta Gundam, ZZ Gundam, Char's Counter Attack, F91, Victory Gundam, and Turn A Gundam.
>Having seen and liked every other Gundam he's directed, Reco became the only Gundam I've dropped.
The best thing about G-Reco is that it shows how blatantly hypocritical its detractors are.
>Till today I can't understand why people shit on it
IBO has barely anything going on compared to any series
Also compilation movie give me hope for more kits
Surprising legit G-reco criticism, except for the ending bit, besides ramming the president part I don't see why people disliked the way Tomino cutting things short, there's really not much to expouse on after.
A lot of that shit will has crossover. Like they are allowed MS with a welder you can use as a beam rifile cause they can be used for manual labour but looking at the moon with a big telescope is a no no
I'm afraid you're going to have to explain that.
Perhaps if I were to clarify which ones I liked best and least:
I absolutely loved MSG, Zeta, and Victory. I really liked ZZ, F91, and CCA, though they don't stand out quite as much as the aforementioned.
While Turn A was rather radically different from all of the above, it was still enjoyable. Better than the Moon Moon arc of ZZ, but at the same time entirely too much like the Moon Moon arc of ZZ.
Yes, there were similarities in tone and lore between Reco and Turn A, but the elements they have in common are by and large the reasons that Turn A is at the bottom of the list for me.
The taboo prevents free solar energy for everyone. The entire world MUST be beholden to Capital Tower for 100% of its energy needs. That's far above just banning war-related technology, that's totalitarianism.
Can anyone provide a link backing this up? I searched 強化人間 マスク バララ but nothing hit me in the face, just people saying Barara seemed like a Cyber-Newtype.
Can anyone provide a link backing this up, as well? Are these compilation movies, or can I dare to dream of a sequel?
This takes me back fourteen years ago, when I had to struggle with the belief that The Wind Waker occurred a mere 100 years after Ocarina of Time. The memory of Hyrule faded into legend, in three generations or less... Placing G-Reco around 2845 isn't quite that ridiculous, but it's nice to see people reassuring everyone that Tomino was joking or trolling. Right after it happened, it seemed like everyone was treating it as an open-and-shut case. At least where I was reading.
Top one is just a rumour from stuff like pic related
Second was a yaraon rumour so not worth much
>Can anyone provide a link backing this up?
In one of these pages.
>Can anyone provide a link backing this up, as well?
Some interviews with Tomino. Check the archives.
>Are these compilation movies, or can I dare to dream of a sequel?
It makes more sense for G-Reco to come after Turn A thematically.
Turn A more or less works by summing up the history of Gundam and concluding that what was will be, for better or worse.
G-Reco deals with children (young adults really) casting aside the burden and bias that history has instilled in them, and really it's the most prominent theme. Guys like Mask and the GIT lab who try to justify their actions by looking at the past (Kuntala were abused, Earthnoids destroyed the Earth) only create conflict because of their bullish attitudes and grudges. Whereas the Megafauna's crew is more interested in seeing the world as it is now and are able to bring together likeminded people from every faction
If it is on there it may also be in the guide book.
Tomino has found a new power even greater than lickable pussies, lickable booty
It is vague enough that either way is justifiable. Though I lean towards dead as Tomino would probably have had her sitting on an asteroid in the middle of no where or something
He didn't sucord Bellri's mom
Greco makes no sense! Why is she called Nug when she was clearly bread for the rump!
If she is the nuggest why couldn't she nug Bellri?
Yeah, just like how Yazan died
You don't see that pod engulfed in an explosion though >>13823669
Tomino was intentionally referencing Ada or Ardor when he made this show right?
>＼(゜∀゜ ) TSUKAME PURAIDO
>＼( ｀ー´)TSUKAME SUCCESS
During the finale I was worried cause I was half expecting Wilmit to snap his neck for endangering her son.
That or him dying as a random casualty in his own war were the only ways I saw him dying before the show ended.
>two or three episodes
No it didn't. Old that happened in the episode was a fight and then an epilogue that was just everyone is happy now. The last bit and how everyone became friends was rushed but that is not a full episode it itself, at best it should have been ten minutes on that
People are starting to try and make up that the ending was a mess which made no sense and that isn't true. The only bg problem was it felt a bit anti climatic
In my head canon he rose up to his position by fucking her.
>she didn't join the crew and bully everyone's dick
such a waste
bashful surprisingly cute muscle-chan was cute to
that was a great bit
goddamn browsing through all my bellri pics makes me nostalgic as fuck
Now that I think about it, I really want to watch Reconguista again, if only to see if it's as fun as I remember.
a big part of the fun for me the first time around was watching it with /m/ in the generals
it still held up pretty damn well on the rewatch, I even noticed some nice background things and foreshadowing on the second watch
Wilmit only manages Crown schedules and shit, I don't think that'd have much to do with general mobile suit R&D.
But the Crowns make for good doujin material backdrops considering it takes hours to go between nuts.
>was a fight and then an epilogue that was just everyone is happy now.
That was exactly what was wrong with it. You can't have long-standing enemies try to kill each other in one minute and then literally 15 seconds later everyone is all chill like that was years ago. It was incredibly jarring, especially for mr. tumblr.
So you have them being all kumbaya with each other, and then the random ship-ramming scene with looked like it was ripped from a middle episode before everyone's getting along, with absolutely no kind of scene transitioning. It's like when someone is watching something on TV and they change the channel, to a completely different program.
>That was exactly what was wrong with it
No cause you said multiple episodes. What is accurate is what I said
>at best it should have been ten minutes on that
>then the random ship-ramming scene with looked like it was ripped from a middle episode
It wasn't though as all the information to understand that bit was there. Kilm's dad was declaring war and they rammed him to say shut up. That didn't need an episode on it, it was just a little silly bit at the end
Like 7 episodes? They weren't going to spend an episode just talking to Kun so they could be friends. Do you want to give this IBO pacing or something?
I only remember the venus globe episode having a lot, even then it was mixed in with some amazing like Kia freezing
As animation quality goes (not QUALITY, actually looking good) I think it is really only beat by Turn A.
You may like it you may not, just make sure to pay attention and think about what is being said
>That didn't need an episode on it
Yes, I forgot that forced ship ramming-scenes are the logical conclusion to the end of hostilities and need no context whatsoever.
Grecofag this is why most people think of the show as an exercise in dementia.
Obviously its about Barara trying to kill Bellri to earn Mask's affections only leading wacky comedy as the two end up in incresingly rediculous situations akin to an Abbot and Costello movie
I always forget how much good greco fanart there is on twitter. A lot don't seem to post on pixiv
The "start a war to cause humanity to progress / unify against another threat" thing has been done a bajillion times. Even Gym wanted that, but he was a crazy warnut on top of that.
Only Kanjelman got it right.
These guys get it. Up until that Tomino interview not a goddamn person thought G-Reco came AFTER Turn A. We were told going into the series that the Regild Century calendar was the immediate sucessor to the Universal Century, and that was the only previous era mentioned by characters in-universe.
G-Savior, while not well received, is considered canon and is the last shown events in the Universal Century. While G-Reco never states exactly WHEN the UC ended, the conditions described in-universe as being what end of the UC was like are extremely similar to the conditions during the events of G-Savior, particularily the issue of food shortage being a massive, cause-for-war tier problem.
Then you look at the mech statues in the Capital City, and they're all statues of UC-era mobile suits. This is consistant with what you'd expect if RC comes directly after UC. If RC followed Correct Century, an era where technology from several non-UC eras were present, it'd be highly improbable that only the UC tech would be remembered.
He started all of this shit because he got mad people at Venus Globe are decadent as shit. He like to stay behind and witness everything unfold in front of him without exerting his influence that much. No one knew who the fuck is Piani Kaluta except Aida and some of Towasangans. He simply sit there, gave some blueprints and "fuck you all I'm gonna sit here witness everyting".
He so buttdevastated angry he fuck off to Earth to start a war
This is a problem with the CC>RC timeline. The year in G-Reco is 1014 RC, yet it supposed to take place only 500 years after Turn A, a time when CC calender was still in use? So the RC calendar would have been set to start counting from something that happened 500 years BEFORE Turn A. But there's no mention of such an event in Turn A.
Moonlight Butterfly. Yes, it's a bit of a cop-out, but the Dark History/Moonlight Butterfly was always a cop-out, a convenient way to allow the writers to cherry-pick which technologies from previous eras get preserved and which disappear. And to be clear when I say Moonlight Butterfly, I mean the event where both Turn A and Turn X went full Moonlight Butterfly.
If by "interesting" you mean Full Retard, then yes. Universal Century is important to US because it's the first Gundam timeline. But in a timeline where all other Gundam timelines are past history? Just another war-torn era that would hold any special significance to people only just relearning about the Black History. For that small portion of the Black History to become a shorthand for the entire Black History, which again includes all other Gundam calendars, would be like the Hundred Years War becoming shorthand for the entire Middle Ages. In other words, not fucking likely.
>So the RC calendar would have been set to start counting from something that happened 500 years BEFORE Turn A.
That wouldn't be unusual. When there is a change in calendar it isn't such a neat easy thing, they don't just draw a line and say and now we are a new time and old ones get completely forgotten.
So it is perfectly possible that they went from before X that is all UC now and from that time onwards it is RC
>So the RC calendar would have been set to start counting from something that happened 500 years BEFORE Turn A.
Actually when it comes to calenders they can run concurrent to each other. It's currently the year 2560 in the buddhist calendar.
What that guy tryin to say was, If Greco happen 500 years after Turn A, why there is no Turn A MS in the museum? But the Relics of UC. They even discover Jaburo with Zgok still inside.
>Universal Century is important to US because it's the first Gundam timeline. But in a timeline where all other Gundam timelines are past history? Just another war-torn era
Cause that shit happens in real life?
Looks at how many periods people obsess over but completely ignore others. I bet you know shit all about the ottoman empire but in school were taught a lot about the roman empire. You probably know shit about the merovingian but loads about tudors.
Certain parts just interest people more and that informs culture, especially for a political stances where periods are demonised or called a golden age.
>why there is no Turn A MS in the museum?
We only saw one museum, and that wasn't what he was saying at all.
Also in recovering stuff we don't always get a full picture. Lots of stuff in history we have no idea what it looked like from lack of or incomplete findings, and these are people who have information restricted because of taboo.
HAhahahaha. I wanted to quote this exchange seperately because it shows just how easy it is to BTFO RC-after-CC fags.
Thing is, the G-Lucifer being the origin of Moonlight Butterfly makes sense. G-Lucifer was made by GIT labs on Venus Globe. We know GIT labs were experimenting with and creating all sorts of new technologies for mobile suits and mobile armors. It is hardly unreasonable that they created the 1.0 version of the Moonlight Butterfly. The version of the Moonlight Butterfly used in Turn A originated from the Turn X, which was created by a people who had previously fucked off from the Earthsphere. It's hardly a stretch to assume that it was, in fact, Venus Globe that fucked off and left the Earthsphere and then later created the Turn X that drifted back.
In the face of this, what does our RC-after-CC fag have to offer? "You don't agree with me so YOU must be the delusional one."
>were experimenting with and creating all sorts of new technologies for mobile suits
Hate to burst your bubble but they were working off the same rose of hermes blueprints as everyone else
also that is a lot of assumptions
>It makes more sense for G-Reco to come after Turn A thematically
Except it doesn't. In fact it makes LESS sense thematically. Turn A doesn't work thematically if it is anything EXCEPT the culmination of all other Gundam timelines. G-Reco, on the other hand, works either way thematically.
Turn A is more tarnished by being followed by G-Reco than G-Reco is by being a part of the Black History. Turn A was about preventing a conflict between the Moonrace and the Earthrace. The story ends with the Moonrace and the Earthrace at peace, equal partners in moving forward towards a better future for all of humanity. The story of G-Reco begins with the Moonrace (Towasanga) DOMINATING the Earth economically and spiritually. This goes against everything that the protagonists of Turn A worked for.
UC>RC>rest of Black History>CC makes the ending of G-Reco bittersweet.
UC>rest of Black History>CC>RC absolutely DESTROYS everything Turn A stood for.
>culmination of all other Gundam timelines
why can't it work as all up to that point? Hell it already doesn't as AGE, BF, anything not animated and all the random sorts are not officially in the black history. Really any show after Turn A isn't and is only officially in cause random people at Sunrise make timelines for press releases
>This goes against everything that the protagonists of Turn A worked for.
so like every gundam?
>The story ends with the Moonrace and the Earthrace at peace, equal partners in moving forward towards a better future for all of humanity.
What this guy said. Turn A was a series to end all war. We can see that Greco humans were playing war not fully involved in it, years later or generation later they decide to fuck everything up and discover Turn-A and fuck everything up again this time from Earth to Jupiter.
>it'd be highly improbable that only the UC tech would be remembered.
The tech is like the gunpla, if it doesn't sell you won't see more of it. And only UC stuff sells enough to be remembered for centuries.
>The year in G-Reco is 1014 RC, yet it supposed to take place only 500 years after Turn A, a time when CC calender was still in use?
Are you stupid? How do you think calendars work in real life? Do you think we started using A.D. the year Jesus Christ was born or several centuries later?
>years later or generation later
500 years are a very long time and a lot can happen.
Just so you know 500 years ago we did not know the Newtonian physics.
100 years ago we didn't have computers in our pockets.
You're missing the second half of my statement, which was if there was an event 500 years prior to Turn A that important enough to use as the starting point for the RC calendar, it should have important enough to mention in Turn A, yet there isn't.
For your second point, you totally ignored my third point from my post that you quoted. People in Turn A were learning about ALL of the Dark History ALL AT ONCE. UC wouldn't be of any special significance to them, so it makes no sense that it would completely supplant Dark History as the term that people would use to refer to the totality of mobile suit warfare that preceeded the Moonrace-Earthrace conflict of Turn A.
Yes, and the Jewish and Muslim calendars give different years as well. But this has never been shown to happen in the Gundam universe in any other instance, other than Universal Century replacing all other calendars (hence the "Universal" part). RC/CC overlap presents a complex solution to a problem when a more simple solution is available, and Occam's Razor tells us that the simplest solution is always superior to a more complex one.
You totally miss my point. I can maybe buy that the Earthrace of the RC era was only interested in/knowledgable about UC in a RC-after-CC timeline because of SU-cordism. Yet Towasangans and Venus Globe don't make references to any other part of the Dark History either. They don't have any reason not to in a RC-after-CC timeline. But in the RC-before-CC timeline, this makes sense. Nobody references the non-UC parts of the Dark History because those events hadn't happened yet. Again, RC-after-CC presents a more complex solution when a simpler one (RC-before-CC) is available and works just as well, if not better.
>, it should have important enough to mention in Turn A,
Why does it have to be? There are many important details about stuff that happens before Turn A that we don't get full details on, we barely get any details about the war they used the Turns in that destroyed everything
>People in Turn A were learning about ALL of the Dark History ALL AT ONCE UC wouldn't be of any special significance to them
And we have access to learn about ALL of history AT ONCE yet mainly focus on a few pieces
Plus seeing as UC was the first instances of mobile suits and space colonies being a thing then yes it is significant
>it should have important enough to mention in Turn A, yet there isn't.
Does Buddhist calendar make a big deal for Jesus?
And if Black History was such big deal in Turn A how come we see connection to UC and FC in Wing? Why aren't gunota whining about this too?
>Yet Towasangans and Venus Globe don't make references to any other part of the Dark History either
Cause they don't call it that any more you tard. They call it all UC so when they rarely bring it up with something like "you earthlings are all the same as in the UC" they mean all those wars
What reference do you want? The most we saw of any old tech was one part of one museum and a cave with Z'Goks in. You are making out like they were constantly talking in detail about Amuro but ignored everything else
Actually, the first guy I quoted in this post raises a good point. In the RC-after-CC timeline, the Earth-Moon conflict shown in Turn A would have been much more recent history than the UC wars. It'd be like an American History museum having artifacts from the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812, but nothing from the Civil War.
Even if we accept the supposition that the Capital City museum only recovered SOME Dark History, it's highly unlikely that they'd ONLY be able to recover UC stuff. Like the nonUC stuff survived thousands upon thousands of years to make an appearance in Turn A only to be conspicuously absent a mere 500 years later in G-Reco. Oh, and the stuff from 500 years ago is somehow absent too.
Impossible? No. Improbable? Very. Improbable in the face of a far more simple alternative (RC-before-CC)? Extremely.
>RC/CC overlap presents a complex solution to a problem
It isn't. It is something humanity deals with whenever they change calendar.
>Occam's Razor tells us that the simplest solution is always superior to a more complex one.
The easy solution is to do as we do in real life.
The only one complicating the whole thing here is you.
>it's highly unlikely that they'd ONLY be able to recover UC stuff.
Actually it isn't. In many cases we know a lot about some cultures but nearly nothing about others
And again, one museum and one hall of
>Like the nonUC stuff survived thousands upon thousands of years to make an appearance in Turn A
No it didn't. They only recovered UC and the war which killed the earth stuff. Really if people want to get angry at greco they need to critique Turn A for the same issue, how did the get zakus but didn't find any leos?
>CC timeline because of SU-cordism. Yet Towasangans and Venus Globe don't make references to any other part of the Dark History either.
Duuuuuh. Why do you think they put the Moonlight Butterfly for?
Seriously, quit the whining and headcanon.
>Even if we accept the supposition that the Capital City museum only recovered SOME Dark History, it's highly unlikely that they'd ONLY be able to recover UC stuff. Like the nonUC stuff survived thousands upon thousands of years to make an appearance in Turn A only to be conspicuously absent a mere 500 years later in G-Reco. Oh, and the stuff from 500 years ago is somehow absent too.
Did you see any Leo in Turn A? How come they were digging up only Zakus and Kapool even though G and Wing happened? Where was most Zanscare stuff?
Jesus, you guys and your double standards are unbelievable sometimes.
You know the only having UC suits makes less sense in Turn A
In greco we saw statues of suits and some rusted ones left underground where they were falling apart. So the only time they have the suits in anyway are recreations. But in Turn A they dig out perfectly fine Zakus that have protection which didn't exist at the time? Not any other suits from thousands of years despite many digging projects?
The answer is you guys have focused on the wrong thing, you are thinking about story telling devices like a concrete history. When Tomino says it was X many years he just means it was a long or short amount of time. This is like when people need to know about Darth Vader's button
My Theory suggest that G-Reco would fit better if its set before Turn-A.
In G-Reco we see advanced MS, with power nearing Super Robot abilities and the ability to compress water while maintain an acceptable weight and most of the tech were discovered not by excavating the moons nor ruins nearby but by Rose of Hermes blueprint, and the show already stated that is set after UC timeline and one would suggest that the Side Stories in V are canon where Jewdough fuck off the solar system and colonize somewhere.
So maybe 10-20 years after the end of G-Reco the Earthnoids/Towasangans/Venus Globe were busy exploring the solar system (Thanks to the Rayhunton Code that enable the Crescent Ship to move faster up to 10-20% boost up in performance) and even have a mining colony near Jupiter that they discovered Turn-X. A MS that were made by colonist outside from the Solar System that have tremendous power beyond their fucking imagination but they still follow the standard Universal Tech Compliance, further proof that Jewdough colonist the one who built it because of their experience and knowledge (maybe gathered/steal/borrow from La Vie En Rose during V).
These factions who were new to warfare were fucking horrified similar on how the G-IT lab people were shocked to see G-Self performance. And they discover that the Turn-X already have perfectly function Moonlight Butterfly similar to their G-Lucifer and most of the tech in Turn-X are similar to the one in Rose of Hermes blueprint. These faction worked together to counter the incoming threat from outer solar system and thanks to the Rayhuntons they finally create a unit that will eventually surpassed Turn-X, The Turn-A.
>But in Turn A they dig out perfectly fine Zakus that have protection which didn't exist at the time? Not any other suits from thousands of years despite many digging projects?
Tomino was already senile during Turn A. People just choose to ignore the signs.
>one would suggest that the Side Stories in V are canon where Jewdough fuck off the solar system and colonize somewhere.
So much headcanon and mental gymnastic. I bet even Tomino would be impressed by how much effort you put into connecting the dots.
Keep going, please, maybe it will turn into ab interesting fan fiction.
So? When the Amerians saw the G-Self they recognized concepts from the Rose of Hermes blueprints that they didn't have the ability to actualize, which is why the Amerian-built G-Arcane was less powerful. Just because everybody was working off the same blueprints doesn't mean that everybody was able to create the same quality of mobile suits. And the GIT suits were the best, and were always the ones chose when given a choice between a GIT suit and a non-GIT suit.
Yes, I was making some assumptions by proposing that it was Venus Globe/GIT who left the Earthsphere and eventually created the Turn X. It is never officially stated who this group, meaning the creators of the Turn X, were, so any speculation about their origins is going to be based in assumption.
Admittedly, I haven't read everything G-Reco related, so I would have to take you at your word for that, in the absence of varified sources.
> experimenting with and creating all sorts of new technologies
Isn't accurate. they were just doing the same shit everyone else was, making stuff out of old plans by sticking bits together. It isn't about quality it is about new
>Yes, I was making some assumptions
Yep and they are very loose and go against what we have been told. When what we are told fits fine there is no need for dumb loose at best theory
With all of this taboo breaking shenanigans, the Capital Tower and the Space Pope saw this as an aggressive expansions to a threat that is not determined or yet to be seen. To make matter worse now there are 2 God-Killer mechs on Earthsphere which further destabilize the already delicate relationship between the factions.thus begin the new Cold War between these faction. While Earthnoid still kinda weak the only power faction here is the Towasangans and the Venus Globe people.
Maybe in between some maniac decided that their faction were more fitted to the role of Humanity Custodian and each other fuck off to their own capital and begin researching even deeper in the Rose of Hermes blueprint breaking all Taboo possible. Earthnoid not wanting to left behind begin their own development based on the older MS as we can see in the museum and in the Jaburo ruins
Eventually war broke loose between these faction with both Venus Globe and Towasangans duke it out in space, their battle eventually landed on Earth, this time both party were reluctant to use their WMD, so they use normal MS instead, Earthnoid caught by surprise, they decide to use their old relic from the past into action.
The Rayhuntons saw this as an affront to their beliefs, they all fuck it and stay away from the war by gathering all the history of UC as a guide for future generation never again to fuck up with Su-Cord, this histroy were titled Black History.
The war ravages on as more colonies and country side were burned down, and eventually both Turn X-and Turn A went into full action unleashing moonlight butterfly left and right destroying Venus Globe and the Rose of Hermes blueprint with it. It make a fitting end on how Gym manage to find Turn-X on the moon, as the G-IT guys were trying to destroy the Towasangans with MB but were stop by Turn A.
Ok, let me rephrase it:
Turn A doesn't work thematically if it is anything EXCEPT the final Gundam story of its timeline.
Every other Gundam is either a.) prior to Turn A in the timeline or b.) not part of the same timeline as Turn A. So no, they wouldn't go against everything the protagonists of Turn A worked for because they don't take place after Turn A.
This guy gets it.
>Ok, let me rephrase it:
Yes it does. It the culmination two decades of gundam, that is enough to make the point of closing off these stories. If you are going to be angry about that then you are going to be very busy being angry that it is thematically "ruined" because more shows have been produced after so the lid has not been put on. Plus Greco works in the idea still as it is a very different gundam show about moving on from the past (aka all the other gundams) which makes sense as Turn A close the rest off.
>not part of the same timeline
Under your rules that ruins it then because it has to be the culmination of ALL other Gundam timelines
It is just plain idiotic to think after Turn A everything would be nice and happy and no war ever again, it's bitter sweet ending already shows things don't end perfectly happy.
Um, you're confusing real world gunpla sales for Gundam meta history. "Only UC stuff sells enough to be remembered for centuries" makes no sense either way.
And on a completely unrelated note...
Are YOU stupid? Because you literally missed half my statement and all of the point I was making. I'll type it slower so your level of reading comprehension can understand it.
Get it now?
Some body has already pointed out the simplest solution is the one that happens in real life. It is not only common for calendars to over lap it always happens
And your idea is not simpler cause of this >>13833925 >>13833950 taking in many buts, maybes, assumptions and plain made up shit. It is much simpler to say they had a war some time after turn A and then the new calendar had overlap
>Turn A doesn't work thematically if it is anything EXCEPT the final Gundam story of its timeline.
Turn A stopped working thematically more than a decade ago, when Bandai made SEED. Even Tomino was mad for that.
No, war resulted in food shortage & Kuntala in G-Reco, not the other way around where it's the cause in G-Savior.
Because UC MS like Zaku was dug up in Turn A & used in a significant conflict that revealed the Black History hence people made display replica of them 500 years later. Inversely, why would people still remember Zaku 2 when it was completely gone by F91, 1000 of years since in RC?
Let's be honest, Gundam lore outside of early UC is sentai tier loose, you can shoehorn anything in at any point.
>Let's be honest, Gundam lore outside of early UC is sentai tier loose, you can shoehorn anything in at any point.
this guy gets it
Actually he wasn't. He got asked about that and he was pretty pleased with it, especially having someone else with new ideas making Gundam.
The only thing he didn't care for was the move from the old style of colonies to the PLANTs, but it wasn't a deal breaker.
There's others like Rayhunton and the rebels trying to inforce that but failed and really though, does it not reflect the real world where former, poor colonies in Africa was supposed to be given a chance to become equal and still get dominated by the west?
It doesn't HAVE to, which is why I didn't say that. I said it SHOULD. Because it makes more sense from a narrative stand point.
Regild Century replaces Universal Century. End of UC described in show very similar to state of UC in G-Savior, the last canon story in the UC chronology. This may be later changed by future Gundam stories, but for the time being we have a simple narrative through line.
Regild Century calendar institued sometime after events of Turn A, counting from an unknown event that took place before Turn A. Believable as something that COULD happen? Sure. Narratively satisfying? Hell NO. This raises so many questions? What is the event that Regild Century was counting from? Why was it important enough to be the starting point for a new calendar only AFTER the events of Turn A? These are huge holes in the narrative that RC-after-CC fags just handwave away.
>And we have access to learn about ALL of history AT ONCE yet mainly focus on a few pieces
Yes, but we don't use the terms for those few pieces in place of the term for the entire era they come from.
That is exactly what RC-after-CC fags are doing when they say that people in RC use UC as code for Dark History instead of just saying Dark History. But there is ZERO evidence for this in the show. Every UC reference in G-Reco can be ascribed to the Universal Century specifically, and we're never given a reason to believe they're refering to anything but something that happened when the Universal Century calendar was being used. The "UC is a code word for the Dark History" is completely made up by RC-after-CC fags to handwave away people in G-Reco never refer to something that is common knowledge at the end of Turn A. Why go for the convulted "people use codewords" solution when the original solution was much simpler and straight-forward and COMPLETELY WORKS WITH WHAT IS IN THE SHOW?
Some chinese sites seem to have the event recorded. If Tomino wasn't lying, people had the wrong impressions because G-Reco only bothered to use UC references and vague Moonlight Butterfly because Tomino didn't want to be bogged down by Gundam lores and didn't care about establishing continuity.
>Narratively satisfying? Hell NO.
Speak for yourself. A lot of people like the idea and even one of the mecha designers said he thought that made sense because G-Reco is an anime that looks towards the future.
>This raises so many questions?
And the whole concept of Black History by itself somehow does not?
Why are you not asking the same question for the CC calendar even though it must have replaced another calendar?
Why the double standards, anon?
>It doesn't HAVE to
Good and as they didn't mention so many important things about before Turn A we can move on. You are purposefully looking for any question with one route but ignoring all others.
>Yes, but we don't use the terms for those few pieces in place of the term for the entire era they come from.
We erased all other calendars to focus around when Jesus was possibly born. We ignore what was happening all over the world to call something the middle ages or ancient and I don't think you realise how long a period these times spread.
>seeing as UC was the first instances of mobile suits and space colonies being a thing then yes it is significant
>But there is ZERO evidence for this in the show.
Apart from those little bits where they say Universal Century to refer to the past.
>can be ascribed to the Universal Century specifically
No they can't, not even G-Savoir as >>13833988
>Why go for
Because that is the canon as told by the creator, it is a fact no mater what you say. You have just tried your hardest to make it seem convulsed. Your questions are asinine and it is likely why you take hours to respond because they are hard to make up
You heard wrong, because there are a lot of tweets from the live event surprised about the revelation.
The blog post with the report of the talk translated and linked some tweets from the staff too.
Also Turn A provided a clean slate and Tomino decided to use that to tell a new story that addresses the future by telling the current generation to not keep perpetuating the past. Hhmm, was this supposed to be meta about the fandom too?
Not a vaild comparison. Buddhist and Christian/Western calendars are parallel, not one replacing the other.
I'm not sure what you're refering to by "we see connection to UC and FC in Wing"? Neither are ever referenced in Wing. Even if they were, I fail to see what that has to do with the Dark History being important in Turn A.
See, this kind of Full Retard is why RC-before-CC folks don't speak up more.
Again, the whole "people in RG use UC to refer to any part of Dark History instead of just saying Dark History" meme has no basis in the actual show. You could literally go through the entire show and tally all the references made the UC and every single one of them would make sense at a face-value reference to the events of UC.
>You are making out like they were constantly talking in detail about Amuro but ignored everything else.
I never said that, nor did I ever say anything even remotely close to that. A blind amputee trying to make a half-court shot at Madison Square Garden while standing on the moon is Micheal Jordan compared to your shot-in-the-dark attempt to make a coherent argument.
Again, a RC-after-CC fag takes half of what I said, quotes it out of context, and thiks this is a valid argument.
Let me rephrase it to help you understand. RC-after-CC requires RC and CC to overlap by several centuries and gives no explination for why the change was made or why that particular point was used for the start of RC. RC-before-CC does not require any overlap (although I acknowledge there very well could have been some overlap, but if there was it is more likely than not that it was less than the 500 year overlap required under the RC-after-CC scenario) and provides a clear reason for the switch.
RC-after-CC is a more complex solution than RC-before-CC. In and of itself it is not overly complex, but it is more complex than the alternative. The key is that I'm comparing the two.
In RC century, there still have the minovsky particles, but in Turn A there're not. So simply that RC is beforn TurnA era. Becasue the moonlight butterfly eliminated all the minovsky on that time.
Actually various gundam shows do time and again, which makes people who try to use any of that as evidence big nerds
In fact trying to find pieces that will link it up all magically makes you a big dumb nerd who missed the point. They are stories that sometimes are in reference to each other, you are meant to see what that thematically means not waste time with charts.
Good question, but I think there's an answer. (Not the anon you were asking, by the way.)
Remember this text dump?
>The Sackträger's predecessor, the fixed orbital elevator, was built in order to make moving the mined resources down to Earth easier. This megastructure was also supposed to be a symbol of peace, and Earth did in fact have peace for a few hundred years after the construction of the orbital elevator. It seems that there might have been several orbital elevators during this period, and that Manhu Picchi was the Earthside base station for them, and there is (in Turn A's age) a fuctioning mass driver in Manhu Picchi. After several hundred years, however, another space war erupted and the orbital elevators were destroyed. The remains of the orbital elevators falling from space caused massive damage to Earth, and it is said that some of these parts were later used to built the Sackträger in Manhu Picchi's legends of the Branch of Ades. That the parts of the orbital elevators were used to build the Sackträger is not true, however, as they were products of entirely different ages; The elevator collapse was such a huge disaster that as ages passed it continued to be passed down and memories and records of history ended up getting compressed and combining the records of the two completely different megastructures.
This is background info never mentioned in a seventeen-year-old show, so I don't care about the specifics so much, but the general idea might be helpful here. History gets compressed, similar things get conflated. The Capital Tower might have fallen, or been decommissioned, and later been replaced by the Ades Tree. But that wouldn't contradict what we see in the Turn A TV series alone.