So I recently finished reading all the Lensman material I could find. It was awesome.There's power armor, espers, and inertia-less drives. The alien are quite alien, like to the point of operating on separate dimensions simultaneously just for sustenance. The anime, or rather the movie was okay, but really strays from the source material.
Why don't we talk about this more?
Speaking of aliens, this is Worsel. A Velantian. He's one of the good guys.
>that joke cover for Astonishing comics
Ack, meant to put a period at the end, not a questionmark. Now it just makes it look like I'm samefagging.
Whatever. Either way I think Lensman is great for basically making space opera today what it is.
Here's all the Lensman Series Ebooks I could find. They aren't what I consider the best quality in places but they get the job done.
Only problem with that artists concept of Worsel is there are no wings or means of flight. I remember very clearly Worsel and other Velantians could fly. Unlike the Delgons which supposedly looked almost like a Velantian, maybe not as big and different head details like fewer eyes.
I've only ever seen the animated film. Always loved this pink guy. Was he in the books?
The artist did actually. The picture itself is done by Wayne Barlowe for Barlowe's Guide to Extraterrestrials. In the sketch section he elaborates on the design, apparently they tuck in somewhere in the back. I have copy of the book somewhere, I'll scan it when I can find it.
I'm reading through the first book and it's all about genetics so far, where the good aliens have just decided to make Humans the psychic race and nullified their experiments with the other candidates. When does the actual Lensman organization start?
Triplanetary, if that what you're talking about, was originally a different book. Hence the disconnect. Doc added the intro and used it to lay some minor groundwork for the world of the Lensmen. Apparently the part about the explosive factory was autobiographical, don't know which world war though.
Galactic Patrol was the first written book. After the trilogy was so successful Triplanetary was rewritten and First Lensman was written to be prequels. I think it is best to read them in publication order but that advice is a little late for you.
You'll have a good reading here
Basically the laws of physics tell us mass and inertia is always conserved, you can't gain/reduce speed without propelling mass in the other direction including planet or atmosphere.
Jet engine for example suck a lot of air to propel it faster in the other direction
Problem is that in space there's nothing. No air and no fictional "Aether" to suck and propel behind.
You can use gravity assist maneuver to exchange momentum more at your advantage but that's it, even black hole obey this law.
It's a fundamental laws of physics that everything have inertia. (e=mc2 and else)
So being able to make a so called "inertia-less" drive would mean either rewriting the very fundamental structure of the universe or discovering physics so out-of-the-box that, chance are, we wouldn't need such drive anymore, either because we would be able to create matter/energy from nothing, teleport planet around or access/create multiverse.
Not that we aren't trying mind you, the latest buzz in physics was this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_vacuum_plasma_thruster
which claim to have created absurdly low amount of thrust by pouring absurdly high amount of energy.
OK, that makes it look more clearly. Much more like the book than the anime version of Worsel.
>>don't know which world war though.
Considering the time line of his work, it was likely WWI. He was exempted from military service for it because of his wife and his experience as a chemical engineer, he started Skylark of Space in 1919.
>Although it was produced with the knowledge and consent of Smith's estate, the executors were so displeased with the result that for several years they rejected any other suggestions of adaptation.
So scanning a bit, there's two separate anime adaptions of Lensman right?
>Galactic Patrol Lensman
>Lensman: Secret of The Lens
One a tv series, the other a film.
I'm having trouble finding a torrent for these. Did they just not get a dvd release?
I think there's a few eps of the series floating around, but I might be thinking of Captain Future
there's a few meh rips of the dub of the anime, never seen a copy online in moon, that's why I knocked out a copy of the moonspeak off my LD for somebody else to merge
I don't know that there's any releases to find over there. Try hitting Yahoo Japan auctions with the moonrunes. That's a decent way to get a vague feel for the street price and scarcity of something.
There used to be a comics published in the US based off the anime. Published by Eternity, which are long gone now.
I have every one they released to my knowledge, hard to find now days I'd think. Or maybe not.
Tim Eldred did the art for that. The same Tim Eldred that did the art for the Votoms Supreme Survivor comics and compiled the Viewer's Guide back in the day. I like that guy.
So apparently this used to pretty damn popular up until somewhere in the 1970's. Bear in mind the series started in the 1930's. What happened?
Series was just re-printed recently. Doctor Smith is the pioneer of modern science fiction and the space opera as it exists. Kimball Kinnison is the near culmination of thousands of years of alien manipulation of his blood line by the Arisians (I think that's the spelling) but blood line manipulation by an outside agent, sound familiar, Dune. So many concepts of sci-fi equipment first came from Smith, FTL flight, hyper-spacial tubes basically stargates, battles involving millions of individual star ships, the moving of planets, the nega-sphere basically as weaponized black hole that is tailor made for the mass of it target, it kills it and disappears. Doc Smith loved epic world ending destruction, toward the end of the series there was the sun cannon a batch of orbiting satellite englobing the sun able to absorb the full power output of it for a few seconds and focus it into a beam. The series is little know today and that is sad for so many of the greats after Smith were influenced by his books and serials. Robert Heinlein's space marine armor is directly influenced by Smith's space armor. Star Trek and Star Wars is very influenced from Smith especially FTL drives, energy weapons, and the world ending death star a spherical station that can kill planets. Space patrol is star fleet a peace keeping and exploration organization protecting interstellar civilization, and Kim Kinnison is like Luck Skywalker and Han Solo in one.
The only thing Smith didn't anticipate or think of was the miniaturization of power components and electronics. All of his power systems are run off massive fuses, and breakers, and he never envisioned the idea of miniature electronics, i.e the computer in a small hand held form. Most of the big calculating was done by geniuses with slide rules.
Doc Smith was a huge influence, but you're being overly generous. H.G. Wells had published energy weapons when Smith was 8, for instance. The nega-sphere was antimatter (at the time, poorly understood and with properties full of guesses) and was probably dervied from or influenced by Williamson's earlier seetee stories.
You're forgetting how Babylon 5 creator Joseph Michael Straczynski always spoke of the Lensman series as part of his influence for his series. Never heard Lucas or Roddenberry ever once mention it, even though it's influence is clearly seen.
Although the Rangers were hardly Lensmen, I guess their role was the same. But we can easily see the Vorlons were almost like the Arisians, although the Shadow were not very much like the Edorrians.
Main difference being that the Arisians and Edorrians are a lot less morally grey than the Vorlons or Shadows.
There's definitely a huge amount of Lensman influence in the series, though, and I'm surprised I didn't notice it before.
Not to mention the fact that the 1970s saw a big push for a more left winged reaction in science fiction and fantasy with writers like Halderman and Moorcock blazing the way. It was a time of mass popular discontent, of rising mistrust in government. Even while I would argue that Lensman is worth reading today, the way it depicts relationships and the clash of civilisations underpinning the entire work is something that makes your average modern reader look twice (and it's even more hilarious in Smith's other works like Spacehounds of IPC, the Skylark series, etc, both of which predate Galactic Patrol, I believe).
Anyway, this radical wave hit sci-fi and a lot of the older classics were left behind in popularity.
Everything I've heard on this recently is the project is dead. JMS can't find any one to pick it up. When the John Carter of Mars movie flopped, seems no one wants to touch such an old series of books any more.
>> Smith's other works like Spacehounds of IPC, the Skylark series, etc, both of which predate Galactic Patrol, I believe).
Yes, Skylark definitely does predates Galactic Patrol. Spacehounds, just a quick check and it seem it does as well.
Yeah... The world of the Galactic Patrol is quite trusting of their government. To be fair it consist of unbreakable uncorruptible super psychics. That just doesn't fly anymore.
>That just doesn't fly anymore.
Damn right. For example, I just re-read The Demolished Man (1953) the other day, and (just like the first time I read it, in the 00s I think) the ending gives anyone with modern sensibilities a very uncomfortable jolt, even more-so because the rest of the book generally covers benign pieces of the setting. I don't think that ending would have been written quite the same way twenty years later. (Or maybe it would have, and Bester was intentionally making a point that I didn't fully get.)
Stuff like the Stainless Steel Rat also rubs you the wrong way at times. It's basically about a dictatorial secret police who kidnaps peoples, brainwashes them against their will and then uses them as secret agents to forward their agenda.
True, it may be for the greater good at times, but it's also terrifying.
Supposedly the US Navy during WW2 took inspiration from the concept of the Directrix and implemented it in real life.
"The entire set-up was taken specifically, directly, and consciously from the Directrix. In your story, you reached the situation the Navy was in—more communication channels than integration techniques to handle it. You proposed such an integrating technique and proved how advantageous it could be. You, sir, were 100% right. As the Japanese Navy—not the hypothetical Boskonian fleet—learned at an appalling cost."
~Captain Cal Lanning
Am glad this thread exists - after tracking down Lensman the movie it was interesting reading about its classic sci-fi roots and how the anime isn't a 'good adaptation' of it.
It is however a goddamn visual treat and I'd kill for a better rip/remastered dvd/blu ray. The jetbike chase sequence is so ridiculously over the top it's one of my favourite examples of classic 80s animation - and the weird Tron-like sequence's character animation is great for its time. Someone years ago was fan-remastering it from laserdisc, but I have no idea what happened to that project. Seeing as >>12089478 is the future E.E Smith's estate chose I'm grateful to see the thing in the first place. May it remain on Youtube forever.
Pic related, cus Buskirk is a fucking boss.
In the book Buskirk was human, granted a new breed of humans that grew up on a planet with a much stronger gravity. Not the Bison-man the anime made him to be.
He was also a Galactic Patrol Marine and was even more kick ass than his anime version.
>It is however a goddamn visual treat and I'd kill for a better rip/remastered dvd/blu ray.
I've heard too. Sadly the estate of the old dude didn't like it so they are never going to allow another release I hear.
Speaking of ancient epics, how's Captain Future and his anime adaptation? I remember so/m/one translated a movie from the anime adaption and it wasn't too bad.
Wow, a classic pulp series being discussed on a mecha board full of younger people. /glad
How far did this supposed English dub go? This is the first I've heard of it.
I don't know. Plenty good and plenty fun has come out of arguing about robots.
I don't know. The video I have runs... an hour I think. Lemme go check. Yeah, 54 minutes, so two eps at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYhGJ9qB1Eg is some of the dub. Not sure if it's the episodes I have.
ahh, those saturday mornings watching anime on the Sci-fi Channel..... goot times, even if they were edited for tv
There's also a toy that I've seen held in very high regard as far as spaceship toys go.
lol that was Republic's guy in the vein of Commando Cody and Crash Corrigan, right?
/a/ says that there's two Lensman movies.
>Real movie - SF Shinseiki Lensman
>Compilation movie by Harmony Gold - Lensman: Secret of the Lens
Is this true?
Wikipedia however thinks there's only one movie:
>Lensman: Secret of The Lens (SF 新世紀 レンズマン SF Shinseiki Lensman?) is a 1984 Japanese animated film based on the Lensman novels.
So who's right?
I figured. It was a joke on how Republic had some Korea-grade ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL with Crash Corrigan (obviously not Flash Gordon) and Commando Cody: Sky Marshal of the Universe (obviously not Commander Cory: Commander-in-Chief of the Space Patrol)
Streamline released the SF Shinseiki Lensman. Not sure about HG Lensman releases. Was that HG one on VHS? Maybe try looking for evidence of the tape's existence.
>It was dubbed by Harmony Gold USA in 1988. This was re-dubbed by Streamline Pictures in 1990 and some of the voice actors were the same in both versions.
Kind of no. They were made for the Lensman anime we mentioned a couple times back in the 1980's. If you want to get one eBay is probably the first place I'd look.
The big awesome ship is called the Brittania the smaller one is called the Cycroader and they were made by Tomy.
I found a couple just by searching under Lensman. They aren't cheap.
this one seems more reliable and actually ships to my location
i'll buy one at the end of the year
I would highly recommend you read anything by Robert E. Howard. Del Rey put out some nice collections of his work that are the preferred text.
3 Collections of his Conan stories, A Solomon Kane collection, a Kull Collection, and a Horror Stories collection might be your best bet.
Also, Paizo Publishing put out his John Carter-esque novel, Almuric in paperback through their Planet Stories imprint.
I would also recommend anything written by Philip Jose Farmer, but he's rather modern compared to the early pulpsters. He's a damn good writer though.
Oh, and if you want a cool one-shot to read, check out "Who Goes There"? by John W. Campbell. It is an old scifi pulp story, but it's the basis for The Thing.
You can read it here:
Who Goes There? Flip Book from the Pulp Magazines Project: http://www.pulpmags.org/PDFs/AS_1938_08/index.html
Who Goes There? PDF from the Pulp Magazines Project: http://www.pulpmags.org/PDFs/AS_1938_08.pdf
American or JP release? Guessing American due to the lettering.
Because the current rip we have I swear is a VHS rip. Pretty blurry and low quality audio. A LD rip would be better. And it's in 4:3 aspect ratio. Was that the original film's aspect ratio or was it cropped for VHS?
yeah it's the US release
I'm mostly certain the LD is 4:3.
They used 4:3 for cartoons in Japan through the 80s so it's possible that's the real ar.
I dubbed out a copy of the audio a while back
lensman jp audio
the audio is kinda shit
LDs were only as good as their masters, so if you got something with a shit source you got a nice copy of shit.
the one on youtube's definitely tape source
That's the only rip of the film I can find. It looks like VHS rip. Or is it LD? Comments say LD, but man I didn't know LD could be that bad. Looks exactly how I remember VHS tapes.
Would the JP LD be better quality?
>They used 4:3 for cartoons in Japan through the 80s so it's possible that's the real ar.
It's possible, but at the same time I wouldn't trust an early 90's release to not just crop the damn video.
I'm at work, I'll have to check what it is when I get home.
evidence of tape wobble or tracking would be your best way to tell if it's really LD.
LDs can look very shitty, especially CLVs.
I'm not sure if there is a Japanese LD, much less if it would look any better.
oh yeah, both are possible
>but glancing at their screen shots it's possible that this is a meh encode of a meh cap of a kinda shit laserdisc.
Yeah, it's a shitty laserdisk. I don't think there's really any more quality you can extract from it. Unless I'm wrong and your laserdisk is a lot better quality wise.
Since /rs/ is long dead. Here are the German and Japanese soundtracks for Captain Future.
So does anyone know what a Grey Lensman special hat is meant to look like? The description in prose is irritatingly vague.
>The round, almost visorless cap, heavily and softly quilted in protection against the helmet of his armor
Thinking about it, it's probably meant to be a flight cap in this sort of style. The uniform is all leathers and comes with a pair of goggles.
It just seems a bit silly to me now with the incredily naval-dominated vision of modern starship fiction, in contrast to the "rocket-man" style of the contemporary period.
Hahaha, re-reading Galactic Patrol and I'd completely forgotten about the beautifully english Boskonian pirate.
>"Tally ho, old fruit !" The pilot slammed on maximum blast. "It's a mauler and we've been bloody well jobbed. Back to base?"
He was always hungry, and he was forever demanding food.
And food, to him, did not mean orange juice or grape juice or tomato juice or milk. Nor did it mean weak tea and hard, dry toast and an occasional anemic soft-boiled egg. If he ate eggs at all be wanted them fried, three or four of them, accompanied by two or three thick slices of ham.
He wanted -and demanded in no uncertain terms, argumentatively and persistently- a big, thick, rare beefsteak. He wanted baked beans, with plenty of fat pork.
He wanted bread in thick slices, piled high with butter, and not this quadruply-and-unmentionably-qualified toast. He wanted roast beef, rare, in big, thick slabs. He wanted potatoes and thick brown gravy. He wanted corned beef and cabbage. He wanted pie -any kind of pie- in large, thick quarters. He wanted peas and corn and asparagus and cucumbers, and also various other-worldly staples of diet which he often and insistently mentioned by name.
But above all he wanted beefsteak. He thought about it days and dreamed about it nights. One night in particular he dreamed about it-an especially luscious porterhouse, fried in butter and smothered in mushrooms-only to wake up, mouth watering, literally starved, to face again the weak tea, dry toast, and, horror of horrors, this time a flabby, pallid, flaccid poached egg! It was the last straw.
"Take it away," he said, weakly, then, when the nurse did not obey, he reached out and pushed the breakfast, tray and all, off the table. Then, as it crashed to the floor, he turned away, and, in spite of all his efforts, two hot tears forced themselves between his eyelids.
I thought it was something along the style of a Garrison cap.
Some people claim Doc invented the powdered doughnut. His primary form of employment was Food Engineering. With the way he describes food, I can believe it.
This is from an author who a few years prior to writing Galactic Patrol has a book where Jupiter was a solid planet, a ship got a new computer and the crew's response was to shake his hand and offer him coffee, where sex before marriage is impossible and where two people recreated the entirety of the human technological process from scratch on a moon of one of the outer planets with the one thing holding them back: creating a vacuum for the vacuum tubes. Oh, and spaceships land in massive spring loaded docks with hemp reinforced springs to soften their landed.
Lensmen is outright modern compared to Smith's earlier stuff (and not suprising as that stuff was from the 1920s).
>Jupiter was a solid planet, a ship got a new computer and the crew's response was to shake his hand and offer him coffee, where sex before marriage is impossible and where two people recreated the entirety of the human technological process from scratch on a moon of one of the outer planets with the one thing holding them back: creating a vacuum for the vacuum tubes. Oh, and spaceships land in massive spring loaded docks with hemp reinforced springs to soften their landed.
Hey, I've got that kit. Can't win Britannia, but win Cycroader. Bird was pretty good maded for her years, with inner panel lines. If anyone interested, I may try to find it in my backlog and make photos.