Disagree with me all you want, but the G1 Transformers movie was far more shocking than both Be Invoked and EoE.
The concept of "plot armor" was completely thrown out the window for pretty much every single character.
Am I the only one who feels this way?
I've seen a lot of Tomino shows and quite frankly none of them put this much nonchalance on killing the cast other than Ideon. These characters don't go out with dignity, they just get outright murdered without a single word. And it happens to ALL of them, at different moments of the film, not just "the final battle".
The movie's first third was great. The rest feels like normal G1 episodes slapped together + some minor awesome moments, only with better animation.
It's still very good on average. Also dat soundtrack.
The shock value was completely unintentional. The writers had to kill off a bunch of characters to sell the next wave of toys, even said as much in all the interviews.
Maybe that's why Tomino killed everyone in Zeta- because Bandai told him too to make way for ZZ.
>Maybe that's why Tomino killed everyone in Zeta
Pretty sure Bandai doesn't have a line of models based on pilots and needs them to die and be replaced with new ones in every new season.
But yeah. Hasbro execs were shocked to discover the fan reaction to the movie, children crying that Optimus is dead, etc. They were surprised that someone could take the death of a fictional character so seriously, for them they were just toy robots.
Just shows how out of touch with their own fanbase they were. I'm surprised Transformers did as good as it did, that thing considered.
Also the fan reaction is what made them turn Duke's death in the incoming GI Joe movie into him being hospitalized/in coma.
nah, the freemasons made cartoons make wars look fun, like GI Joe
You don't need to be toughened, just conned into enlisting. Tough is somebody else's job. Cartoons are the sales department.
Neither did he.
>>Thomas Stanford of Buffalo, NY asks: I'm a huge Transformers fan. I always found it interesting how "Dare to be Stupid" ended up in the middle of it. How did you manage that?
>>Weird Al: The Transformers soundtrack came out on Scotti Bros., so oddly enough, there were a bunch of Scotti Bros. artists on there. I think I probably got a phone call saying, "Hey, we're gonna use one of your songs in this movie, if that's okay with you," and I probably said, "Sure, why not - hey, how did you get this number?"
Honestly this stuff would have only shocked me if I was a kid when I saw the film. Going in and knowing that the only reason they are doing it like this was move in a new toy line cheapens it.
Fucking great cartoon flick tho.
>Honestly this stuff would have only shocked me if I was a kid when I saw the film.
You kidding me? I would think most people would be even more shocked when they're older. People already bitch enough about AZ's ending, but this movie shits all over it on pure shock value alone.
They're fucking toy robots. As an adult you're more aware of the fact that they're killing them off as a vehicle to sell new toys any sentimental value you have for the characters are only if you're an impressionable child.
They're not just toys, they're characters. Don't forget that most anime these days is more focused on selling PVC statues of girls than actuay having a good plot. Every show is about marketing.
The way the TF movie went about it is far more brutal than others.
>The way the TF movie went about it is far more brutal than others.
Not really especially when the violence was bloodless and no more psychical than a Tom and Jerry cartoon. You're being far too fictitious with this.
transformers movie 1986 : 'The only thing worse than the animation is the music!'
'YOU'VE GOT THE TOUCH' the only thing missing was Dirk Diggler in a red leather vest--that would have been less campy.
a year after zeta. no wonder western mecha never went anywhere except as a tool to get kid-monies.
>I don't remember anyone permanately dying in a Tom and Jerry cartoon.
Ironically neither did the movie since Optimus comes back in S3
>And you really have to be underage if you think blood and gore are what make deaths shocking.
They do. The deaths in the movie had no impact because they were bloodless and weren't really violent especially in comparison to the G.I. Joe movie and given the only death that had any impact was Optimus it really falls flat as a whole.
>They do. The deaths in the movie had no impact because they were bloodless and weren't really violent especially in comparison to the G.I. Joe movie and given the only death that had any impact was Optimus it really falls flat as a whole.
>But the deaths weren't permanent and his talking about psychical violence which wasn't as intense as you're exaggerating
Okay, I guess you never noticed how Prowl's mouth was frothing with his liquified guts leaking through before he exploded. Or how when Ultra Magnus exploded, you can still see his burning remains.
These are graphic, graphic deaths. You're both edgy fucks who probably thought Asuka's death in EoE wasn't violent either because the Eva was killed and not her.
>Ironically neither did the movie since Optimus comes back in S3
Only because the fans/kids demanded it. Had Hasbro had it their way Optimus would have been gone for good since Rodimus had already replaced him.
>These are graphic, graphic deaths.
No you're just deluded and quite frankly stupid. They're not particularly graphic since they're mechanical there's also no detail given to their bodies once they explode.
>You're both edgy fucks who probably thought Asuka's death in EoE wasn't violent either because the Eva was killed and not her.
Stop strawmanning because people are calling you out on your bullshit dumbfuck. You see Asuka get her arm split in half before her demise than when Shinji goes up for battle we see her remains for a split second in graphic detail, nothing in the transformers movie come close since none of the deaths are detailed and are handled with "lol he sploded"
>Only because the fans/kids demanded it
That doesn't disprove either point. Fact is none of the deaths amounted to anything outside a gimmick and weren't permanent
>The deaths in the movie had no impact because they were bloodless and weren't really violent especially in comparison to the G.I. Joe movie and given the only death that had any impact was Optimus it really falls flat as a whole.
Practically none of the other deaths even mattered
>No you're just deluded and quite frankly stupid. They're not particularly graphic since they're mechanical there's also no detail given to their bodies once they explode.
What did you expect, mechanical intestines to fly out? You could see their lifeless, broken bodies staring back at you. This is far more disturbing than a pile of gore. If you consider this the same level as "Tom and Jerry", then you really are an edgelord.
>That doesn't disprove either point. Fact is none of the deaths amounted to anything outside a gimmick and weren't permanent
And Asuka didn't actually die. Fact is none of the deaths amounted to anything outside a gimmick and weren't permanent thanks to "muh LCL".
says the edgelord
I don't care if you don't consider the deaths shocking but if you really think the movie was bad, holy fuck you're a tryhard moron.
>It's only "shocking" as a kid but as an adult it's just hysterical since they're toys.
>[fitting in intensifies]
>You could see their lifeless, broken bodies staring back at you
>inb4 they're robots so their character deaths don't matter
I'll bet you laughed at Chamber's death too.
>This is far more disturbing than a pile of gore.
Thanks for the laugh
> Fact is none of the deaths amounted to anything outside a gimmick and weren't permanent thanks to "muh LCL"
Not only are you wrong but you're desperately trying to fit in
I dunno, what exactly is graphic and shocking about this?
>supposed death scene is suppose to be graphic and shocking isn't
>posts an example of Eva that's not a death scene and just a random image to make a point
Quit while you're behind
That scene was meant to be shocking/trippy in Eva.
If you didn't find it shocking at all, that just reinforces how much an edgelord you are.
wow. that shock value troll. i just think the robo gore is neat, cuz like my robots being blown into bits. but this guy.. its not like they have human organs and shit. its mecha gore, not human gore.
It's fucking wonderful is what it is. This is the Wheeljack I've waited over 20 years for. This is the Wheeljack that I'm going to be buying accessories for.
I don't know if I can refute you because I haven't seen the G1 Transformers movie yet.
I'm not seeing how this is shitty.
Honestly, it's a show accurate Magnus toy
Basically everything I've ever wanted. City Commander's awesome, might even be a better toy, but an actually show-accurate Magnus? Yes, please, it's been long overdue.
The trailer turns into Magnus' body as well. It's because the original Diaclone toy the character was made from was supposed to be an upgrade to the pre-Transformers Optimus. Powered Convoy, as it was called, was an Optimus redeco carrying around a trailer that transformed into full body armor. My guess is they decided they couldn't use that and hadn't really figured out how to make Magnus transform very well, since the figure kind of relies on you putting the armor on the Prime figure.
Anyone gotten their MP Bumblebee yet? How is he? Mine is in my HLJ Private Warehouse waiting for some more stuff before I ship him.
I wouldn't recommend that. Unlike the KO's of the MP cars, the KOs of the larger MPs are terrible. I have the KO MP10 and it's a QC mess, its missing screws and you can;t collapse the legs for transformation, and this is the 2nd version that supposedly ironed out all the problems of the KO.
>people think the movie's violence and deaths are 'graphic'
This is how I know nostalgia runs rampant.
For what it's worth, I agree that they're probably either shitposting or they're genuinely ignorant of storytelling techniques. It's not to say the movie planned for things to be shocking; it's just that nobody realized that kids had grown attached to the CHARACTERS.
If you wanna feel stressed, look at photos of actual people killed in war. For normal people, seeing victims, and knowing it's real, that creates a sense of stress and discomfort. It's different than seeing gore in a horror movie, those are designed to illicit fear.
In the case of the TF movie, or any media where you were made to be attached to a character, the response you get is "sadness".
If they were faceless bystanders, say, in early Heisei Kamen Rider or something that comes out of left field for apparent main characters, ala Madoka or Ga Rei Zero, that's when you'd feel "shock" that the writers would "go there".
It's rather interesting actually.
ITT: Nostalgiafags arguing with edgelords.
Why can't we all just talk about how glorious the new Masterpiece Star Saber is?
>Transformers movie was far more shocking
Really? A movie that entirely revolves around robots shooting each other you were surprised about some of them dying? That was predictable.
I don't think anyone could have predicted the plot of EoE.
I'm pretty sure that if someone had leaked that 8 new flying evas appear out of nowhere and that rei becomes thousands of miles tall it would have been dismissed as a ridiculous hoax. It's really that crazy.
Considering that before the movie people'd had a 65 ep cartoon that was entirely lighthearted and kid friendly, where no one really died, the villains were regularly routed and the fights were entirely harmless to everyone involved, suddenly killing off a good deal of the important characters was pretty shocking. The movie also introduced Unicron and the Matrix of Leadership, elements that remain hugely important to the franchise as a whole even beyond G1.
Transformers The Movie 1986 soundtrack stuffs
Most TF fans are in the category of "FUCK YOU WEEBS MUH SUPERIOR G1 AMERICUH ROBOS AINT FROM NIPLAND" and deliberately choose to ignore the fact that the original cartoon was an anime.
The same faggots who worship Robotech and ignore Macross, really.
It looks amazing.
I'm not sure if I should buy it now, and rape my wallet, or wait in case they:
-Release it in a two pack with Victory Leo (or alter the mold to accommodate the combination)
-Wait for a possible, cheaper U.S. release.
To insult to the injury, they brought him back later in the series as a fucking zombie, just to kill him off AGAIN in the same episode.
Seriously, what the fuck were they thinking?
The shock of the deaths of the Autobots is in the coldness of their disposal.
These were characters with colorful personalities--and they were off'd in a way that, save for maybe Optimus, was completely devoid of romanticism. I actually think it's a better movie for it, although I do know it wasn't an artistic decision.
Hasbro wanted to kill off the original cast to introduce new toys. The thing is, they didn't see the Autobots or Decepticons as characters, but as toys. The suits just didn't imagine that kids would be attached to them as characters that they were invested in. They probably thought they were all interchangeable.
>These were characters with colorful personalities--and they were off'd in a way that, save for maybe Optimus, was completely devoid of romanticism. I actually think it's a better movie for it, although I do know it wasn't an artistic decision.
It's because they didn't have the time to do it. They had to get the next massacre. Otherwize the whole movie would consist of characters dying and people being sad.
Anyone but me ever wonder why Windcharger wasn't a more powerful opponent? I mean his weapon was MAGNETISM. And his foes were sentient computers. Why wasn't he formatting their harddrives all over the place everytime one of the Decepticons thought to show his faceplate?
There was no next show. The idea of there being a franchise of several versions of the show probably sounded insane back then to the Hasbro higher ups.
At it was it was about a decade before Beast Wars came out.
Same reason the Benders in Avatar didn't completely murder their opponents via bloodbending, suffocating, combusting, and bone-breaking each other's bodies like the practical and efficient thing to do with those powers.
It's a kids show.
Why the fuck would they release one of the JP exclusive g1 characters outside of japan, only die hards would know.
I'm aware they released those outside as I own a box set but you hardly hear shit about star saber and the gang
You know... I never even thought about that.
G1 Transformers movie will always hold a place in my heart. I watch it every now and then to nostalgia hard; mainly for the first 20-30 minutes. The deaths taught my young self that like it or not, war causes death, no matter how much you care about the people/ characters.
The only REAL graphic deaths, IMO, were Prowl, Ratchet, Ironhide (even though we didn't really see him get Megatron'd after his heroic nonsense), Kickback (not death, but that head-crushing, man!), Optimus (of course), and Starscream. Magnus's "death" was a bit awkward, due to him getting shot multiple times with no visible wounds, until exploding to pieces...only to be revived later.
While I'm at it, Short Circuit 2 - another of my childhood favorites - did a number on me with the whole brutality thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUQMvlH39XA
>The concept of "plot armor" was completely thrown out the window for pretty much every single character.
That's because Transformers is and has always been a giant toy commercial, just as Gundam is and always has been a model kit commercial.
Best way to push a new line of toys is to kill characters off regularly, and introduce new ones.
Then a year or so later, resurrect the dead characters with a brand new toy.
Except the only character they resurrected, Optimus, didn't even get a new toy (iirc, the next Optimus toy would be his Powermaster incarnation, which would only come out a year after the toon ended). Besides, I don't think 'killing off the entire cast to replace them with new toys' was even a thing in American toons at the time. I certainly don't remember any similar bloodbaths in He Man or GI Joe.
That's right, don't even bother watching anime or TV shows or music videos or readings books and manga. None of them have any plot significance other than to sell toys or merchandise or some kind of product. The producers don't give a shit about you, they just want your money. Nothing else affects their line of thinking. They're all commercials and you're a fucking childish moron if you get attached to any characters. Fuck media, fuck internet, fuck everything, and FUCK YOU you nihilistic little faggot.
>I certainly don't remember any similar bloodbaths in He Man or GI Joe.
GI Joe film did the same thing, but not through murder. It introduced some new jerks, and pushed the original cast to the side. Only Duke died (which was changed to coma).
I enjoy the movie every now and again but I'm mostly in it for the music and the first 25 minutes. Still next to beat wars it's probably the best piece of TF media out there, though I've not watched anything past animated. I hear the IDW comics are/were good?
They are good, they follow the story way beyond the war on earth, currently the cybertronian war ended and the Autobots won, Starscream is the current leader of Cybertron and Megatron is an Autobot.
>I've not watched anything past animated
You should watch TF Prime. It's the best TF show after Beast Wars.
Current comics are doing something interesting with Megatron.
More Than Meets The Eye is a fun series.
That shit must have been even more traumatizing for kids than his death in the movie.
>Hey kids Optimus is back!
>only now he's a mind-controlled robot zombie who tries to kill his friends!
>has an epic battle with Rodimus where his parts get knocked off
>finally ends up comitting suicide
Holy shit, you'd think the episode was written by Tomino.