/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

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first for chart
light purple best colour

>reading Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norell
>Footnotes literally took up an entire page
good book though, enjoying it a lot
Was thinking of picking up some Stainless Steel Rat or Conan the Barbarian, anyone recommend one over the other? Or other suggestions?

>>9041077
>China Mieville
I tried to read Un Lun Dun and I didn't like it at all. Is that a good representation of all his work, or should I try another book of his?

>>9041141
>Stainless Steel Rat
Get it immediately.

>>9041151
Well that's a YA fantasy book. Not really what he is known for.
Try Embassytown.

>>9041159
That good huh? Saw the first 5 at my book store for around $18 was seriously considering it but got Norrel first for $10

>>9041161
ok thanks

>>9041151
Mieville can only write in one style. But that isn't really the problem, you can't read a Mieville without thinking you've already read this before, and probably because you have:

The City & the City = Vance's Ulan Dhor
This Census-Taker = Wolfe's The Fifth Head of Cerberus
Kraken = Gaiman's American Gods

>>9041042
>age of myth great tree
You reading the second book this year OP?

>>9041214
I can see the paralells to Gaiman (although you could just as easily say Ben Aaronovitch's "Rivers of London" stuff), but what has City and the City got in common with Vance?

>>9041042
>get to the end of the lord of the rings
>get to the next ending
>get to the next ending
>alright, im done with the final ending
>epilogue ending chapter
>appendix
>index
i get the feeling tolkien would have included the sillmarillion at the end of this as well, if he could.

>>9041249
Is Sullivan the guy whose writing is even tamer than Sanderson's?

>On the worst nights he hugged himself in the blackness of his tent, screaming and sobbing. He beat the earth with his fists, stabbed holes with his knife, then fucked them.

How is The Waking Fire?

>>9041493
It's ok. Would've been better with less PoVs. Dragon safari was neat though

can I get a stupidity check on something?

it's established early on the town's water is polluted. Later on, the main character realizes that his goals revolve around chrysopoeia, the alchemical practice of turning lead into gold. he finally finds out how to do it at the end and uses it to turn the lead/mercury in the drinking water into gold, basically transmuting the water supply into alcohol-free goldschlagger

>>9041151
I read The City and The City and loved it, then read Perdido Street Station and didn't like it at all except at the very end.

Seems like he's got big ideas and a strong voice, but nuts and bolts things like plot, character and structure are hit and miss.

Since I liked the later one and disliked the earlier I plan to keep on reading him since my two-point line has him heading in the right direction.

What can I do for a short sci-fi story where it opens with a distress signal in deep space? Seems like a great way to start but I have no idea how to branch out from there.

>>9041744
make it a ripoff of that one episode KND where shit went down on that transport ship that Numbah 5's hot sister was on

>>9041744
monoliths, aliens, black holes, wormholes, planets, moons, stars.
include at least 3 of these things and you'll have a science fiction story.

>>9041797

Could an existential story work where an astronaut on an outpost research station finds out Earth has destroyed itself in a nuclear war and realizes they have no home to go back too and could very well die alone in space?

>>9041807
id read it. theres all kinds of directions you could go with that.

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>>9041409
Kinda. I think. I never had a problem with his writing until I read Scott Lynch and all the cussing he had in his book.

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>>9041493
>>9041541
>it's a junkie jonesing for a fix chapter

>>9041542
Gold will still give you heavy metal poisoning.

>>9041161
I was gonna say the same thing as other poster but did not like embassytown at all.... Is this a good representation of his work ? Or should I try Perdido station / scar

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This was a fun read. Kind of amalgamation of a lot of recent dystopian scifi but still holds on his own and pacing is great.

>>9042136
It's hard to know what a "good representation of his work" would be, really, since he keeps trying out new genres and types of story. The latest one was a Surrealist war story, which I quite liked.

>>9042025

Didn't that garbage have shit load of feminism jacked in it?

>>9042140
>This was a fun read

No it wasn't.

Why is fantasy so boring to read? Tried getting into Wheel of Time and Fellowship of the Ring and couldn't get through either

Any thoughts on Michael Flynn?

>>9042140
Me and a friend just recently finished the series and enjoyed the hell out of it.

>>9042183

None whatsoever

>>9042172
Stay away from "epic fantasy" which is basically prose soap operas.

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>>9042172
Here you go

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>be me, early years
>always getting SFF at the library
>find book with several SciFi short stories
>read, pretty cool
>check out 2 or three times
>bit later, want to read again
>can't remember title
>horror, despair, teeth gnashing etc...
>years later, see at bookstore
>BUYBUYBUY!
>not the book, not even related, memory completely shot
>crushed, feels, sadfrog.jpg

>be me, modern era
>remember one story from book
>find all books that include it
>tfw nothing hits brain
>googling individual stories from collections
>wait...
>this, the one!!
>library still has copy
I'm stoked lads

>>9042172
>Why is fantasy so boring to read?
>list 2 of the most boring shit series in the genre
>these two speak for the entire genre

Get better reads.

Has anyone read Crossroads of Canopy, and can they tell me if it's good?

Is there any fantasy story that acknowledges that the line "Let There Be Light" is basically God creating Lucifer

>>9042159
Yes it was.

What Novel is most like Time cube?

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Shaeönanra did nothing wrong.

>>9042586
No

>>9042618
>Shaeönanra
sounds like a parody of epic fantasy names

>>9042635

Well, PoN is a parody of a good book.

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Angela Carter is rarely considered but this novella has appeal for SF and fantasy readers.

>Generations after a nuclear apocalypse
>Survivors who retain pre-war knowledge and technology live in small fortified arable settlements; among them, a teenage girl protag
>They frequently skirmish with Mad Max/Mongol-like nomadic marauders who raid for food and medicine; lead by a shamanic outcasted intellectual, they live temporarily in a crumbling stately home full of gothic trappings.
>Teenage girl runs away from home and is forcefully married into the tribe
>For GRI fans there is plenty of rape, sex, violence, and homosexuality, rendered in gorgeous gothic prose

>>9042250
I'm happy for you anon

>>9042250
>>be me

die please

>>9041077
I have genuinely never understood if this list is meant to be serious or not. Only 3 or 4 of the fantasy choices make any sense.

>>9042930
try stepping out of your comfort zone and live a little

>>9042972

Try reading good books

>>9042975
>spams LEL
>talkingt
Try reading.

>>9042979

Once you start reading good books, sure

>>9042980
LEL reading try talking about bookz hear

>>9042982

How triggered are you?

>>9042984
Try talkingt like a normal person.

>>9042988

Is reading completely trash books part of being normal?

>>9042992

Stop shitposting

>>9042994
I don't know where I am! >>9042930

>>9042999

Stop being so triggered baby

I'm really enjoying Iain Banks and all the Culture novels - I totally dig how the AIs and techs are done in that one.

Is there anything similar you can recommend?

>>9043001
>Stop shitposting
>unironically screams the non triggered anon with the average spelling capacity of a five year old

>>9043012

>huerf duerf 1 typo means the guy has 5 year old spelling capabilities

I bet you voted for Hillary

>>9043018
>Murrican
Explains everything.

>>9043024

European

>>9043010
The book Dark Intelligence: Transformation has several AI's being dicks to each other and everyone else. But the society is an order of magnitude smaller than in the Culture, so it's not galaxy-spanning. So it's not similar in very many ways.

>>9043041
Thanks, sounds good.

>>9043010
Hyperion, kinda.

>>9043087
Thanks anon, I read that. I consider the first two awesome (I really liked the treeship) but the second two were kinda boring.

>>9041042
I gotta tell you Forever Peace is so fucking stupid, Forever War is far superior and should replace it on that list.

I would also propose adding Hospital Station by James White to the list of modern Science Fiction.

>>9042852
>rendered in gorgeous gothic prose
Is this "gothic prose" like gohmerghast or w/e trilogy?
I hate when authors hide there rape and degeneracy behind "prose".
In a clockwork orange 2 rapes and a two underage drugged rapes were hidden behind that fucking cockney prose. Is this book the same?

Is this book gonna be all:
>"She turned her head to one side as a battering ram, that was mall enough to fit in two clenched fists. with a softness that seemed of clay but the rigidity of a wooden spoon, and an inner heat that felt like a limb left in the sunlight for long periods of the day. She shut her eyes as it prepared to dare the tunnel and the portal that she had kept fortified for sixteen long years. As it made ready to plunder her deepest treasures. She clamped her mouth shut, there was no use in continuing to resist, the treasures can still be had be her alive or dead, and to her, her life seemed more precious than meaningless treasure that would have been stolen anyways.."

>"She cried out in anguish and shock as her walls were breached, and she stared in horror as a neat line of ten, no twenty, no.. more than more than twenty? men all waited their turn at seizing some of the treasures for themselves. She could not understand, why were their clay battering rams out? Her fortifications were all ready broken, were they so cruel to break her vault open and open again, when there was a gaping entrance already made? She cried bitter hot tears, maybe she should have braved a crimson smile from ear to chin, from chin to ear, maybe life was not worth her vault being broken into time and time again.."

Is it like that? Or more obscure?

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>>9042970
He is a troll that recommends people books that he himself didn't read, thus he can't vouch for the quality of the books.

>>9043041
thanks brother. Continue to shill Neal Asher. We fans must still together.

do you want a qt ai android that is so dedicated to you that she kills herself at your death? I know I do. Fuck Agent Cormac, he gets all the best girls

>>9042970
Entirely serious, senpai. What doesn't make sense to you?

>>9043453
(you) have no idea what you're talking about.

>>9043465
I know who you are. I was in the thread when you were taking suggestions from anons to put on your chart. You ADMITTED to not reading many of them. When someone told you remove x and put y, you did it.

>>9043476
>When someone told you remove x and put y, you did it.
This bit is true; I figured the people who'd be using the chart should get some sort of input

>You ADMITTED to not reading many of them.
And this bit's just rubbish.

Anyway, your chart's got Brent Weeks and James Patterson; it's hard to get worse than that.

>>9042618
>>9042930

Two down.

Waiting for One man against the thread, dinosaur, little girl books, estevian, bakker ...

Guys, I've read this book at least 15 years ago, sci-fi. Scientists create a portal to sort of an alternative dimension, where stuff instead of breaking down with time gets better through use.
Anyone knows what's the title/author?

>>9043485
>can't read
I'm not surprised

James Patterson's book is under young adult aka TRASH. What the fuck are you doing in a literature board if you can read and comprehend?
Jesus fucking Christ.

>>9043528
David Brin, The Practice Effect. Kind of a fun book, really.

>>9043518
>estevian
Not gonna happen. Didn't you see the last thread? The glorious mods wiped him off the face of the board, and banned him too.

>bakker
That is not really a meme, people actually enjoy the books, also one of those you linked is from bakker so it's 3 not 2.

>>9043581
Ah yes, righteous-wrath-of-the-mods-man who thinks Stevian isn't a meme.

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>>9043518
Wait no longer

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>>9043583
grace us with your prose stevian-sama

>>9043582
>it was one person pissed that stevian was derailing our general with his blatant trolling for riches campaign
Keep telling yourself that. Just know it takes at least 4 persons reporting to get the attention of the mod. And I didn't even report shit.

>>9043572
which of the other categories are also non-recommendations?

I'm guessing:
gay, rape & incest
female urban fantasy protag
male urban fantasy protag
morally grey characters
shit

>>9043582
>>9043583
>>9043585
no one gave a shit when stevian shit posted in the general it was when he troubled the op that was when everyons got anger i can't blame them i probably would have done the same

>>9043600
Shit and trash are none recommendations. Who wants shit and trash?
Many people want GRI though, and as you noticed many people ask for female urban and male urban fantasy.

>>9043461
That (Dark Intelligence: Transformation) is literally the only book of his that I've read. Didn't even like the first half that much, but the second kinda made up for it. It was OK overall, but didn't feel that amazing for me to start being a fan.

>>9043595
Dude there were like six people Stevian-posting, myself included, and the mods didn't do jack.

>>9043577
Thanks so much, anon

>>9043649
That's because you started at book 9 in the series

>>9043662
Then were did all the comments go?
And how did it get the attention of the mods to delete it?

>>9043851

Nobody gives a shit.

I'm starting to think you're actually Bakker since you're so anxious to eliminate any potential rival in the thread, ie other writers.

>>9043842
Might be, though I think I understood the setting pretty well. The problem I had with it was that the character motivations seemed off, at least until they are better explained later in the book. I didn't even know it was part of a larger series until today, thought it was just it's own trilogy, after all it says book one in the title.

>>9043851
Oh, so they did. They deleted yours too. And they didn't ban anyone, not least Stevian, because if he ever posted here it was only once. The charts aren't him, the recs aren't him, they're jokes because it's such an obvious piece of crap nobody would ever spend four times the usual ebook price on it. Not unless they had a learning disorder or something.

You don't have a learning disorder, do you?

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>Kellhus is not a Mary Sue!
>ok, I'll try reading Bakker then

>mfw in the first thirty pages alone he has shown ungodly persuasion and deduction powers, flawless swordfighting skill and even picked a fucking arrow FROM THE AIR like it's nothing

Into the trash it goes

Why would you meme someone into reading this garbage?

>>9044225
he's the villain tho

>>9044276

Oh and he just defeated effortlessly a "Nonman" who had MILLENNIA of fighting experience. This keeps getting better and better.

>>9044276
>Implying there's no deeper meaning to these events

Don't forget what you are reading

>>9044225
>>9044276
>>9044289

Also, there's a difference between being a mary sue and being a strong character. These guys spend two millennia breeding and training for persuasion and deduction powers, flawless swordfighting and picking arrows FROM THE AIR! Also, Kellhus is the best of them.

How the heck could he/they suck ? He might be a stronger swordsman than the average nonman, even so he would get wrecked pretty easily by an above average warrior who is not half insane... nonmen used to break dragon necks with their bare hands...A great nonman never stops growing!

>>9044815
>A great nonman never stops growing!

That part in those underground caves was creepy as fuck.

Also, pick your team.

>Kellhus and friends
>The Consult
>Akka
>one of the gods
>Cnaiur (he doesn't rape you)

Finally finished Iron Dragon's Daughter for real.

Any other recommendations with a very nihilistic tone?

>>9044878
>join the consult
>live forever to avoid damnation
>harem of shapeshifting traps who literally live to please you


How can other teams even compete?

>>9044878
what is this from?

Is Son of the Black Sword any good?

>>9044975
Cucking games

>>9042635
A lot of Bakker's names sound like he's trying too hard to sound fantasy, but I quite like Shaeönanra.
The best name in Second Apocalypse is by far Nin'janjin though. I sometimes just repeat that name to myself over and over, just for the pleasure.

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>>9044941
>live forever
Literally my dream IRL desu.

Just finished reading "To Kill A God", what a lovely book, would recommend it to everyone

>>9042630
Yeah

>>9043924
>In internal chronological order
Prador Moon
Shadow of the Scorpion
Gridlinked
The Line of Polity
Brass Man
Polity Agent
Line War
The Technician
Dark Intelligence
War Factory(came out last year)
The Skinner
The Voyage of the Sable Keech
Orbus
Hilldiggers

I read up to the skinner, minus War Factory.

You should have started at Prador Moon or Shadow of the Scorpion. When I read Dark Intelligence it wasn't up to the quality I got in the rest of the novels. The crazy Dr. AI Frankenstein didn't help matters either... Wait am I mixing it up with Technician(the Crazy Dr Frankenstein bit)?

>>9043935
We are trying to protect the people, we aren't running fraud general. People come here, ask / look at the charts for recommendations, then go and buy the books.

What do you think happens when they buy your shit shilling book stevian? It's you don't pretend to be someone else. I know we it's you.

>>9045128
Did the protagonist kill a god or become a god and then get killed? Did he teleport behind anyone?

>>9045185
>>duolingo.com
Please learn English then return here, thanks.

Heh, looks like steve took our advice and changed the subtitle.

>>9045190
>>>duolingo.com
You what mate?

>>9045230

He did what now?

>Google stevian heartbound
>All the links are 4chan archive

HAHAHAHAHH

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You have a fan, Steve.

>>9045261
Changed the subtitle from
"You Can Not Repair Willful Ignorance" to
"An Afterlife Adventure"

>>9045282

But he did that months ago

>tfw you realize that even if publish a book, it will be less popular than Stevian's comedically shitty-sounding meme book

>>9045123
that Ophan is insufficiently eldritch

>>9045284
Maybe so, but I don't look up his silly book all the time. It's been a while since we discussed the subtitle.
That or I forgot about seeing it before.

>>9045268
You didn't find the interview?

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>>9045294
You'll probably get more sales. We only read the free sample.

>>9045300
>The Hobbit got me into writing, and I really liked Animorphs growing up. Those books and Phantom of the Opera are all I have really read, save small horror story collections and history.
>mfw

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>>9045167
I don't remember why I picked it up, probably found the audiobook torrent on audiobookbay or something. The insane AI was the rogue AI Penny Royal.
I will probably pick up the rest of the series later, because the book seemed fun and interesting enough, even though another sci-fi universe seems like a big investment. Currently reading A Darker Shade of Magic and I still have BotNS and 3 halfway-through books to eventually finish.

Have you read the Revelation Space books? How does it compare to the Polity?

>>9045309
it's probably not going to get written anyways. 6 months in and only 11k words. So much of that time was wasted and I still have most of the story to write

>>9043453
It bothers me that Dresden and Iron Druid are recommended together when dresden is infinitely better.

I know it's not good literature, it's pulp trash, but even at its most ridiculous it takes the genre seriously and is decently executed. dresden kill a god and fuck another in the first ten pages, he doesn't have a talking dog that drinks tea, and he certainly isn't immortal.

one is low culture but excellent, the other is garbage

>>9045363
Yeah I tried the first Iron Druid book, but it read like a fan fiction or something. Everything was disjointed and borderline self-indulgent, and I dropped it after about 5 pages. Dresden at least has a sense of structure and pacing.

>>9045479
I hope my pacing isn't that bad. I go into a fight scene within 4 pages and remembering it has me scared shitless. Now that I think of it it's an abrupt transition

>>9045510
It's probably fine, the issue with Iron Druid is that it had about 2-3 sentences of fight scene, and then transitioned away to talk about the mc and his general situation before the fight scene was even over.

>>9041042
Can anyone point me in the direction of any short story contests for sci-fi and fantasy? I want to try my hand at a couple.

>>9045527
fair point. The fact that he kills a god in the first pages, and has enough time to calm down a witness (by telling her the guy he killed was english) and fuck the grim reaper shows that he really doesn't know how to flow at a reasonable pace

still. < 609 words of combat doesn't seem like enough. It can probably be summarized in one paragraph

http://pastebin.com/gN7iC9Xm if you're interested

>that scene in The Wizard where a half dragon woman threatens to rape Able, puts her tongue halfway down his throat and makes him call her a bad girl
bravo wolfe
i am joking about none of this

>>9045309
>>The Hobbit got me into writing, and I really liked Animorphs growing up. Those books and Phantom of the Opera are all I have really read, save small horror story collections and history.
>>mfw

>Reads 3 books
>Decided to write a book

????

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>flippin through the fantasy section of good ol' Barnes and Noble
>a title catches my eye
>pick it out
>Book _ of the _____ series/saga/cycle/trilogy
>put it back
Who /oneshots/ here?

>>9045340
>Have you read the Revelation Space books?
The name of your pic answers your own question.

>>9045848
/lit/ as fuck tbdesu

>>9045004
No. But you will read it anyways then complain, so why ask in the first place?

>>9045363
>It bothers me that Dresden and Iron Druid are recommended together when dresden is infinitely better.
I've been reading fantasy predominantly for years, if you now started the genre you are able to sample from many new authors and series, but years ago that wasn't the case.(to get goodish books that were not a lotr knockoff or written by a Terry)

When I finished Dresden Files and had an itch. Iron druid chronicles was able to tithe me over until the next Dresden book. It's just aimless fun. Also if you weren't around / paying attention in the era a lot of shit would pass you by as it depended on a lot of pop culture knowledge.

Imagine reading about longcat years ago. That is shit today because failbook ruined memes to death, but it was fun opening the book and being treated to some current pop culture reference.
Books getting worst since he doesn't do shit like making illegal prescription drugs from plants anymore.

>reading judging eye
>akka you are my father
>first thing he does after feeding it is to fuck it
Does bakker have children? I would be scared for anyone who calls him daddy.

>>9046003
Thanks m8

>>9046045

If I were to read the Dresden Files, should I skip the first few? I've heard the author say he sorta disavowed the earlier books. Which one has the series pick up?

>>9045959
wats a /oneshots/?

>>9046080
You can skip the first two books, but even though butcher has disavowed them they set up the origins of some major characters and give you a lot of major and minor plot hooks.

If you skip them, things with come out of left field, and because you didn't see how they arrived at a certain point, the writing looks a lot shittier.

basically, try to enjoy the first book for what it is. If you can enjoy it even a little, force yourself to finish the second book and then it gets exponentially better starting from book 3 when the real plot kicks off

Also, I'm going to warn you now: do not drop the book when the scene with the pizza comes up. It's an anomaly, move past it

>>9046080
I read all from beginning to end because I'm a completionist asshole.
If you must skip start ar book 3-4.

>>9046199
>>9046200
Dresdenception

You think we finally getting a new book this year? Or is it another reddit-cats-are-assholes-in-steampunk

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Holy shit Tigana is so good.
>mfw Rhun was the Prince of Tigana

>>9046213
Towards the end hopefully.

When did the last codex alera book come out?

does severian sleep with every woman who gives him bedroom eyes?
nigga gets laid more than I do

Finished The Wizard Knight and after reading some analysis of it I've come to the conclusion I'm dumb as fuck for not picking up on some of the shit that's apparently implied in Gene Wolfe's writings
Like, when Able sees the Valfather's true form and only sees a shadow, that's apparently God being merciful to Able because the Valfather = God and anyone who looks upon God's face will die
A lot of crazy shit this Wolfe dude writes about. Might get Book of the New Sun or Latro in the Mist next
Any of you all close to finishing something? If so, what?

>>9046337
>im dumb as fuck for not picking up on some of the shit that's apparently implied in [author's] writings
me as well.

>>9046337
>Any of you all close to finishing something? If so, what?
I'm not close to finishing reading anything fantasy related (unless you count GR as a huge pandemonium of 20th century fantasies). But I am close to finishing my third re-write of a fantasy novella. About fifteen percent left to write, but somehow I've hit a block. Which has lasted for a half a year, now. I think I've lost my initial sense of worth.

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>go to Goodreads
>get recommended utter tripe like the Inheritance Cycle
>go to /sffg/
>get recommended utter tripe like the First Law Trilogy

Dammit, why can't I have my GRI-approved grimdark low fantasy political thrillers without the fucking melodrama?

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>>9046433

>I lack the capacity to discern a good book from a shit one and therefore need to be spoonfed and am disappointed when I get spoonfed shit

>this is the internet's fault.

>>9046444
Well, what am I supposed to judge it by? The cover? They all look the same.

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>>9046433

Why does it look like a child drew this?

>>9046449

You read the first say, ten pages and determine whether to go on reading or not.

>>9046462
Because a child drew it.

>>9046463
But then, I have to pay money for it.

Unless I go on Amazon and use their sample function. Which can get dodgy. And Amazon is even worse at recommending things than Goodreads.

Guess I just suck it up and deal with it, huh?

>>9046337
>close to finishing something
just finished lotr
is it alright if i skim the appendices? it seems beyond tedious. i have no desire to learn about the lineages of each character that ever walked middle earth.

>>9046337

>Valfather, Outsider, Pancreator

Someone should inform Wolfe that it is possible to believe in God while not shoehorning him into everything you write.

>>9046666
>why won't someone stop writing about something that's very important to him but unimportant to me
>doesn't he know

>>9043465
The only ones that have any sort of a case for being on the list are Strange & Norrell, Mosaic and the Wizard Knight (hell, even this is questionable as fuck when compared to his earlier works.). It makes absolutely no sense that people on this board or you consider The Buried Giant, The Pendragon Protocol, Finch etc to be best fantasy books released in the past 20 years.

>>9046867
Let's hear your best of then.

>>9046874
It's quite difficult to come up with a full list because it's quite easy to overrate things you've read and liked recently. These ones most definitely deserve to be on the list in my view.

Robin Hobb's - The Fitz series deserves to be up there, regardless Assassin's Apprentice being released in 95 or something.

To Ride Hell’s Chasm - Wurts is a great author. Her Wars of Light and Shadow series is difficult to get in to and probably completely overblown but To Ride Hell's Chasm showcases her ability extremely well.


Strange & Norrell - This one was great. A breath of fresh air when compared to the shit that was/is coming out in the genre.

I'd argue that Staveley's Unhewn Throne and Polansky's Low Town trilogies are well worth reading, but I read them both within the last year, so I may definitely be overrating them. If J.V. Jones had bothered finishing her series at some point it would most definitely have gone up there, but as it stands, she has disappeared and we're left with an incredible series that has no real end.

Is it actually ok to like it when a series has an overly confident character who's pretty much just a sue or a stu?

Some people really seem to like conflict or struggles but I don't mind as long as the characters are likeable and the dialogue is good.

Or is there anything that's really soul tearing?

>>9046984
>Robin Hobb's - The Fitz series deserves to be up there
Stopped reading. This is complete ass and in no way even close to the quality of the books you "criticized". Please spare the world from your shit taste.

Are there any /sffg/ charts for short stories or novellas? I don't remember ever seeing any.

>>9047025
You'd actually read a fantasy novella? I've nearly finished writing one, but I was never confident anyone would want to read a fantasy novella, of all things, since fantasy's life blood seems to rely on long tomes which lend themselves to drawn out periods of escapism...

>>9047041
Face in the Frost is practically a novella and it's great for short, comfy, creepy periods of escapism.

>>9047022
If you think you Hobb's Fitz series isn't excellent you're just proving that you haven't actually read any of the books in the list you're trying to peddle as the best in the past 20 years. In no world would anyone that's actually read shit like Finch, Malazan or Pendragon and Hobb's argue that Hobb's is worse than those.

The Assassin series is a beautifully crafted series with interesting and well written characters. The PoV aspect of it amazingly well done.

What's a good fantasy to someone who hates fantasy?

>>9047105
Midsummer night dream

>>9047092
What about a more Blood Meridianesque novella about a dude so afraid of dying he tries to find immortality across stretches of land so far and hostile that they've never been explored before?

>>9047131
Adventure is the best kind of escapism.

>>9046219
YEARS AGO.
I think 2008 or before. Peace talks just keeps being pushed back and back because of his fucking cat series. It was fun when I read the first book, but when November(usual release date) passed twice(or is it thrice) I got vex.

>>9047141
Hmmm. Would you consider beta-reading one quarter of what I've got so far? It'd be a huge help. But you can say no. Personally, I couldn't be fucked doing that for someone...

>>9046242
Did you ever fuck your granny?
The opposite of your answer to my question, is the answer to your question.

>>9047153
Pastebin it, maybe I will.

>>9047022
not an argument

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>>9046337
You read long sun yet?

Finished the first draft of The Core.

>>9047157
Ah, fuck it. I'll post half of it. http://pastebin.com/pWjqgbU6

Nervous desu. Sorry about the formatting; it's not formatted for pastebin. The 1st paragraph might be clunky. If so, I'm stuck on how to make it unclunky, since I've rewritten it about ten times now over a period of two years.

>>9046433
Judging by your pic sffg isn't for you.
Fantasy got a whole bunch of races in it (in Malazan one of the most powerful persons is dark skinned)

I know you didn't like first law because one of the main adventuring protagonist was asian and female, and the only likeable person took a black woman who already cucked him

Go to pol, they probably got the books you interested in.

>>9047180

>Sorry but no. Bot for you anyway. Not unless you go home like any other sane traveller would.

>typos
>no quote marks

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>>9046984
>Staveley's Unhewn Throne
D E L E T ADARE
E
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E
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>>9047102
No, it's garbage. I've read the first book and it is now in my top 3 worst fantasy novels of all time.

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>>9047180
Hey buddy. How hou doing this fine afternoon?

>>9047025
No, but I can look through my reads to find the best short stories I read and put something together for you?

>>9047209
When you've repeatedly argued for a chart containing books you haven't read, your taste or opinions are of very little worth.

>>9047174
Gaskun that you?

>>9047220
Sure thing Redditlord. Keep your garbage out of here.

>>9047220
This. Buried meme is shit. I was memed into reading it and shut the shill down anytime it looked like he was going to show his head.

It's philosophical ponderings of human memory, emotion, etc. With a very, very thin veneer of fantasy that is used(or tried to be used) to coat the truth from our eyes.

Fuck buried giant.

>>9043429
what book this quote is from????
girls giving into rape and realising it's nlt easy is one of my fetishes desu.

>>9047241
>It's philosophical ponderings of human memory, emotion, etc. With a very, very thin veneer of fantasy
Sounds amazing, picked up.

>>9047180
Put quote marks in and you might be able to make a little money on Amazon. We'd still mock it if you shilled it here:
>hero's sad sad backstory whirled through in a few paragraphs, unavailable to inject emotion in later scenes
>plus it's really laying it on thick
>matter-of-fact language, not very evocative
>no reason anyone would want to spend time with the main character, he's just a prick
One problem I've seen with beginning writers is how they seem to be working through their own issues instead of focusing on their characters'. Try to make it a habit of jumping through perspectives in your scenes, asking yourself if that's really the way each of your characters would act.

>>9047228
That's your problem. You're too busy trying to prove that you're better than reddit to actually develop good taste or even read the books you recommend.

>>9047241
The Buried Giant is fucking awful when compared to his non-fantasty works. It's even worse when compared to actual philosophical fantasy or sci-fi. Only a contrarian idiot would put it on a list of 'best fantasy in the past 20 years'.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/02/01/official-dune-reboot-legendary-pictures-director/

So the guy who directed arrival's doing the new Dune film.

Dare I say, heck yes?

>>9047250
Enjoy. I'm pissed this is being bandied around as "fantasy" just because of muh king Arthur and muh dragon. If you like those shit and an old man calling an old hag princess go for it.

>>9047252
>One problem I've seen with beginning writers is how they seem to be working through their own issues instead of focusing on their characters'.
Uh. None of those issues are mine, though. They're the characters' issues. No one close to me has died, nor am I miserable or afraid of dying. I have no idea how a self-insert vibe got in there when I share literally nothing with the character. I'll have to work on fixing that.

>>9047252
>One problem I've seen with beginning writers is how they seem to be working through their own issues instead of focusing on their characters'.
>Write what you don't know!

>>9047268
>Write what you don't know!
t. middle-aged English professor contemplating adultery

>>9047254
shame dune's a piece of shit

make a fucking Hyperion GoT style show, that would bang

>>9047253
Like I said, he is one who berates other people's charts. He asked people what they liked/thought was the best, then made a chart.

He wants to be liked so he took everyone's opinion so they can be a part of it(and not berate him in turn). I know for a fact that a lot of those books he hasn't read himself.

My charts may be "shit" as he and the other wannabe elitist put it, but at least it's my shit, and I can argue why it's there because I actually read the books.

I wonder if he is one of those guys who confess to not having read a book in years and just come to lit to meme...

>>9047283
You know, acts-like-he-knows-who-everyone-is-anon, you really are nasty to have in this thread.

>>9047283
I'm not the one who made it. I'm simply stating the fact that anyone who thinks redditcore books like Assassins Apprentice or that Wurts guy who advertises there is "good" is straight up retarded and has no qualification to criticize anything.

>>9047268
So if I'm writing about how a character was molested by their mother... I have to let mt mother molest me?

What about you are at work and the wife is home and chad the gardener cuckolds you? Should I get married and get a successful job and neglect my wife/marry a loose whore so I can write about it?

kys

>>9047180

Better than TKAG

>>9047306
unironically this

>>9047293
You are also annoying anon-who-does-shit-like-he-is-on-redshit-and-pretending-to-be-one of-us. I'm just observing plain and simple, you know the thing you do when you read a book?

You haven't seen nasty yet newfag, try other board. /jp/ by chance?

>>9047294
Sanderson, weeks, and lynch are considered redditcore. I never went to rebbit but I like those books.

>reading Speaker for the Dead
>Ender deactivates his snarky AI waifu so he can just have a real conversation for a minute
>she goes nuts in thousands of years of subjective time, rebuilds her entire personality so it's not as dependent on him
>forgives him, decides to help out
>gets the Lusitania colony license revoked and an evacuation fleet sent out
Everything with Jane in it is gold.

>>9047315
>obviously ESL
>incredibly defensive
>thinks there is only one anon to each opinion
>considers himself thread commissar
>never actually recommends books
>doesn't even know there are 65 IPs in this thread
Please get a trip so I can filter you. Even better if you're also lame-meme anon.

>>9047325
I only read the first book, did ender get to fuck the bugger queen eventually?

>>9047333
Nah, he gets a middle-aged Brazilian single mom.
Then he reincarnates into his brother's body and marries a Chinese chick from OCD planet. Those sequels were off the hook.

>>9047306
What's TKAG?

>>9047294
Hobbs and Wurts transcend retarded shit like muh sekrit club or redditcore, you utter mongoloid. Redditcore doesn't even make any sense anymore since most of you retards visit that site either way.

Continue trying to argue that the fucking Finch or Pendragon are better books than Hobb's Fitz series, it just continues proving how little you've read.

>>9047339

A really great book.

>>9047340
No matter how much you scream and kick around it's not gonna change the fact they're bad authors and you have bad taste on the level of the average redditor. The sooner you come to accept that and go back to your home the better it will be for both sides.

>>9047331
>obviously ESL
>if you don't speak burger English is your second language.
>I'm trying really hard to fit in by attacking you (4 yous)
>I'll new so I'll just make shit up about knowing what is what and pretend to know if you actually recommend books
>I'll point out the actual ip count in the actual thread, so you know all 65 are taking part in this actual conversation
>I'll shitpost in hopes of getting more (you)s

Seriously what are you doing here? You sound like that underage b& who thinks he is oh so funny putting shit in people's charts.

kys so I don't have to go through the trouble of filtering you

>>9047337
W-what?
Did the middle age do anal? I know they love anal over there.

>>9047356
...

>>9047357
>not gonna change the fact they're bad authors

Hobbs and Wurts are anything but bad authors. Hobbs in particular is one of the finest authors working in the genre, pretty much any author you speak to will have her works in their favorites and pretty much any serious reader will have read her works. Your entire critique of her has been 'REDDIT'. Which is pretty fucking ironic seeing as how Reddit never actually talks about Hobbs and is far more in love with Erikson and Malazan than Hobbs. Anyone that has actually read more than 2 fantasy books (or even just normal books) in their life will appreciate Hobbs. But it's clear that you're more interested in feeling like you belong to a cool secret club than actually reading.

>>9047359
>you don't know me!
>but everyone that mentions Buried Giant is the same anon that rec'd it to me once
>everyone that mentions Stevian is Stevian himself
>everyone that disagrees with me is from Reddit
>but you haven't found a pattern in my posts

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>>9047381
>Reddit never actually talks about Hobbs
>is far more in love with Erikson and Malazan
lol

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>>9047413
>3 vote difference
>YEAH I SHOWED YOU, FUCKING REDDIT FAG
What's even better is that you apparently have a picture of Reddit's favorite books saved?

>>9047387
>>everyone that mentions Stevian is Stevian himself

>Steve trying so hard to create the illusion that there are more than 1 who post about him

just fuck off

>>9047419
>is far more in love with Erikson and Malazan
>far more
>FAR
>Reddit never actually talks about Hobbs
>never
Do you not know how the English language works too? I guess that explains why you like trash authors without any qualities. Case closed.

>>9047431
I don't actually visit Reddit enough to know their favorite authors by heart. From most of the discussion threads I have seen Erikson and Malazan are far more widely discussed and recommended than Hobbs.

I have absolutely no problem retracting that statement. Your entire criticism of them apparently being reddittier and therefore bad now looks even more hilarious and pathetic after showing your obsession with reddits favorite books.

>>9047448
>I was just pretending to be retarded
Newsflash, you've given exactly 0 critique to the books you initially criticized, likely not even having read them because you only stick to popular junkfood.
Reddit polls are a great measure. The higher something is on it, the more sure you can be it's complete and utter garbage so can successfully avoid the book. I gave Apprentice a try anyways, and as said, it has entered my top 3 worst novels of all time. Anyone who unironically defends it is obviously still on the reading level of a young teen aka the average Redditor.

>>9047423
This.

Why is stevian, trying so hard to be one of us?
It's, I don't even know. He wants to sneak in, and gain our trust so, he can post his book again?
I'm sure, a few persons bought his book from it being in that list.

>>9047517
your commas are showing, angry ESL-kun

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>>9047517

>>9047517
Have you ever wondered why nobody but you ever seems to think Stevian walks among us?

>>9047532
That wasn't me faggot. I also told you I'm not an "esl". Here is your (you).

>>9047468
What critique can someone give a list that has been chosen to be as contrarian and sekrit club as possible other than state those? But fine, let's go through your list shall we?

The Buried Giant - This one stood out immediately. It is by far Ishiguro's weakest work. It is a mishmash of ideas that he seems to have thrown in an attempt to move his work beyond genre fiction, the problem is that none of it has worked particularly well. It doesn't showcase his ability as an author, neither does it work as a particularly thought provoking work.

Finch + Pendragon - Why are these books even here? They aren't bad, but neither are they anywhere near the best books released in the past 20 years. Hell, you may as well replace them with any two random genre fiction titles. There's nothing to particularly critique about them, they're just plain mediocre.

The Wizard Knight - I get that Wolfe is popular on /lit/ as babbys first fantasy author. but when compared to the New Sun the Wizard Knight is a complete joke. Even without comparison to his earlier works the Wizard Knight is just an odd choice. It's basically full of overt symbolism and none of the subtlety that marked his earlier works.

The Scar - Not even Mieville's best or most interesting book, let alone of the best books of the past 20 years. If you wanted to add Mieville why not just put The City & the City instead? That is a much stronger contender.

Night Watch - Why this one over Thud! or Thief of Time or Going Postal or one of other 30 released between 96 and 16? Majority of Pratchett's work similar quality wise. Popular and probably influential, but best fantasy in the past 20 years? He's more a satirist than anything.

>>9047543
>>9047517
>>9047423
Are 3 different persons (I hope so because I'm one of them).

>>9047548
You're saying English is your first language and you're that bad at it?

>>9047558
I'm saying >>9047359 that I'm not an Americlap that lives in Klapistan. I was educated with the Queen's English. Americlap English and Queen's English are different.

Also >>9047517 Isn't me.

>>9047550
>It is by far Ishiguro's weakest work.
Says who? I know many who consider it his best or second best after Remains. What didn't work well?
>Why are these books even here? They aren't bad, but neither are they anywhere near the best books released in the past 20 years. Hell, you may as well replace them with any two random genre fiction titles. There's nothing to particularly critique about them, they're just plain mediocre.
You literally said nothing about the content of the books and are just spewing random buzzwords to dodge the issue, repeated x times for the other books as well.

>wake up
>come on my favorite Chinese paper making textile mill
>thread is about stevian (again), charts (again), commas (again), reddit (again), writer's advice (again), people accusing pol of posting (again), pol actually posting (again)
Where is the little girl protagonist, gri anon and woman hating anon?

>>9047593
We're all grianon now. It's taken us over, and we are a race of lovers.

>>9047612
Just finished judging eye. Getting white luck warrior later in the month, then I will grab the great ordeal.

>I'm gonna make it
>I'll be able to meme with the best of them when the new book comes out

Phalluses out so high priest granny can give it a ride

>>9047584
>You literally said nothing about the content of the books and are just spewing random buzzwords to dodge the issue, repeated x times for the other books as well.

Because I don't remember anything at all about the content of the books. They were that mediocre. They're the sort of books that you enjoy during the actual read with no staying power. You're left with a vague notion that you have in fact read the books and quite enjoed the read. That's my fucking criticism, you mongoloid. The only way anyone would seriously consider those books to be among the best released in the past 20 years is if they're the only books the person has read.

>Says who? I know many who consider it his best or second best after Remains. What didn't work well?

I literally told you what didn't work well. It was an attempt to move beyond simple genre fiction by Ishiguro, he attempted to throw in some philosophical waxing in there. It led to the book being nothing more than a mishmash of ideas with none of them being expanded properly or even being integrated into the book properly. Congrats, you know a lot of people who've apparently read (more than likely watched) Remains and The Buried Giant.

>>9047612
I'd always assumed GRI anon was the one who posts the poorly formatted chart that has GRI as one of the headings.

Funnily enough he's actually in the right in this thread, the other chart guy clearly hasn't read any of the books he's talking about (either recommending or criticising).

>>9047662
>Funnily enough he's actually in the right in this thread, the other chart guy clearly hasn't read any of the books he's talking about (either recommending or criticising).

What does it matter if all the charts have womameme authors in it, instantly invalidating the entire chart as garbage trash

>>9047151
>his fucking cat series
Mrrrr?

>>9047667
We'd all be a lot happier if we always assumed other anons saw everything we liked as garbage trash. If they say it, we expect it and ignore them like the garbage trash they are, if they praise it we've found an unexpected friend.

>>9047667
>What does it matter if all the charts have womameme authors in it, instantly invalidating the entire chart as garbage trash
What the fuck are you on about?

>>9047642
That's not criticism. Pinpoint exact things in the books that were poorly executed.
Every single statement you gave is so general and applies even more so to the Redditcore books you were shilling except they don't even reach the level of mediocre.

I have both Perdido Street Station and The City & The City at my disposal, never read any of Melville's work before but which do I start with first?

>>9047682
Perdido sucks. Embassytown > Scar > City are his best novels, in that order.

>>9047678
That is more than valid criticism when you're trying to paint them as the best works of the past 20 years. Hence the general criticism. I can see why you actually think your chart is good now.

How about you tell me why you feel they belong on that list? Oh wait, you haven't even read the books.

>>9047714
>That is more than valid criticism
And how does
>Because I don't remember anything at all about the content of the books. They were that mediocre
counter
>I remember every small detail about the content of the books. They were that mindblowing!
?
You're just clashing two baseless posts against each other. Of course someone on Reddit reading level wouldn't notice his own hypocrisy.

>>9047731
Your obsession with reddit is actually pretty pathetic. It's also pretty ironic that you're constantly attempting to criticize reading comprehension when you seem to lack it altogether.

Why don't you start defending your choices instead of trying to change the topic by bringing up reddit?

What are some good novels with a very nihilistic tone?

>>9047739
Good job on dodging the entire post because you have no arguments left and instead focusing on a single word that triggered you. As expected of a Redditor.

>>9047754

Unironically, To Kill, a God.

Inb4, some assholes who haven't read it will spout shit even though that's wtf the, book is about.

>>9047760
He said good. Kill yourself.

>>9047762

I thought it was good, fuck you.

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>>9047755
>>9047739
>>9047731
>>9047714
>>9047678

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>>9047662
>tfw I made this seal to place on gri approved novels
>tfw I placed it on one novel and stopped
>tfw my autism isn't that high
I don't know how these guys do it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/2d8cvb/yes_you_should_read_the_wheel_of_time/

Is Wheel of Time actually good like this poster suggests.

Or should I stay away from it and get something smaller less complex?

>>9047755
>Accuses someone of dodging the entire post
>Has spent the entire thread derailing by bringing up reddit

Gud 1 m8.

Not like your post had much to dodge. Continue posting your retarded chart and enjoy getting called out. I guess in a couple of generals you'll turn around attempt to act like you were trolling all along.

Feel free to state the reasons for why you've added those books. I mean, we all know the reason, it was 'I WANTED TO BELONG'.

>>9047797
There's nothing complex about Wheel. It's just long and overblown. The middle 6 or 7 books contribute very little to actual story or progress.

It's obviously influential but really though you aren't going to miss a great deal if you don't read it.

>>9047804
How does it stack up against Belgariad?

>>9047801
Wew, you did it again. Glad to have you admit to being cornered at last, Redditlord. Now back to where you belong.

>>9047801

LEL

as if your,, charts,,, are any good

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>>9047772
....
>just finished reading this book
>guy posts that he is reading it a few days later
>I made no mention of this book to anyone in sffg
>all my attempts at hiding are naught
>this goon tracks my goodreads account
Fug

>>9047809
Kevin you SJW cuck.

>>9047807
>Continouing to obsess over Reddit
>Can't actually explain why those books are on the chart
Why do you struggle like this on a day to day basis, anon? Just end it all.

>>9047808

I've not posted any charts.

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>>9047662
Talking about this chart, anon? How is this poorly formatted?
The gri meme was around since the start of this general say 2014~2015. I just gave in since everyone (or that one guy) was posting and screaming about it every thread.

>>9047818
Why I gave my flawless counter here >>9047731 which apparently fried your Redditor brain.

>>9047806
I haven't read the Belgaraid in over a decade but I remember liking the first two or three a lot. I remember it being the quintessential fantasy of the 80s. Belgaraid probably wins out due to being only 4 or 5 books rather than Wheel's 13 books.

>>9047823
>Actually thinks that gibberish is a flawless counter
>Still obsessing over Reddit
Is there something that stops you from typing a post without referencing to Reddit? Are you banned from there or something?

>>9047834
It's so gibberish you still haven't responded to it. Maybe ask your friends over on Reddit for help.

>>9047837
It's so gibberish that no one actually respond to it.

>Still trying to defelect from having to reason out why he's added books he clearly hasn't read

Wew lad. Type reddit out a few more times, it'll definitely work eventually.

>>9047837

>Reddit is any different from 4chan

wow, you must really, be, blind

>>9047840
You haven't because you have no arguments and realize that your critique was nothing but hypocrisy. I caught you in a trap, little Redditor. No amount of crying will get you out of it.

>>9047360
No but there was hand-holding and lap pillow

This is so sad it's almost funny.
Almost...

>>9047844
At what point are you going to pull out the 'I was only trolling guise' card?

No amount of deflecting is going to stop me calling you out on putting books you haven't read on a godawful chart.

>>9047852
And no amount of crying is gonna change that your Redditirian taste is irrelevant and that you're a hypocrite.

>>9047844
at last, anon, at last you have called him reddit enough that even my stony heart is pierced, and I shall proceed to downvote him to oblivion, in the custom of your homeland.

>>9047854
I don't mind being a hypocrite. Why don't you now start posting some reasons for your chart?

>>9047852

Where the fuck's the downvote button I can only hide and report your post

>>9047860
>I remember every small detail about the content of the books. They were that mindblowing!
There you go. A reason on your level of intelligence.

>>9047871
>Genuinely thinking that remembering everything is the same as something being mediocre and forgettable
>Thinking he's outsmarting people by turning that around

Do you even read books, anon?

>>9047816
FUGG >:DDD

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>>9047837
>Reddit
>he did it again the absolute madman

https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/16893254-kevin

Man chart anon has even worse shit taste than imagined.

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>>9047943
Oh shit you found me time to delete >:DDD

>>9047809
It was a hilarious coincidence Kevin-sama. I did enjoy the book though.

>>9047943
Hi Vince you found menat last wanna be friends?
http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/64226861-vince

Kellhus cucked nobody wrong

>Murrifats wake up
>reddit, cuck, shitposting, et al
>thread goes to shit

A timeless classic.

>>9047819
It's not "poorly formatted", it's just terrible selections.

>>9047973
I don't have a memereads account.

>>9048013
Chart wars fags are cancer.
>can't just make their own if they disagree
>have to shitpost endlessly to the other about why they're "wrong" for liking/reccing X book

>>9048051

I think this is why we're relegated to a containment thread instead of being free to roam outer /lit/ : because most of us are even more autistic than average and can't be trusted with multiple threads. Can you even imagine the chaos?

>BAKKER GENERAL! KEKING XDDD
>who /wolfe/ here? praise the Lord!
>dinosaurs get out REEEEE

How is Leviathan Wakes? Does it stand well on its own?

>>9048080

Its probably the best book in the series. It stands pretty well on its own as a detective/mystery story but has a sequel hook at the end. No need to read the rest if you dont want to but they're all right

>>9048080
It's good and you may be tempted to read the rest of the series after finishing. Don't. It's all down hill from there.

>>9047166
I have not, thought I would get Book of the New Sun first

>>9048064
Some anon makes Wolfe threads all the time.

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>>9047816
>>9047943
>>9047968
D E L E T THIS
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DELETE

>>9047943

>That Review of Grims fairy tales

>Fahrenheit 451
>I don't see book burning as a problem that would affect this age. Every book released in the last five years also has a digital copy, google is also doing it's part of digitizing those novel from decades/centuries ago.
With thumbdrives, microsd cards, and encryption going into the hundred gigabyte range, we can store our beloved books from the evil book burning minority, and help educate others without the government finding out.

Way to miss the fucking point

>>9044884
Firelance by David Mace. It's a obscure late-80s technothriller about a nuclear-powered battleship on a mission to launch a final strike against the Soviet Union after the end of WW3. I described it a while back as a "nihilistic Red Storm Rising."

Has anyone been looking into short story compilations? I find most novels hard to approach, either from worldbuild masturbation or just no likable characters, and I think(hope) short stories would cut to the chase. Anyone got suggestions in that field or am I on my own?

>>9048616
What are you looking for?

>>9048616
>>9042250
Re-reading it right now.

>>9048629
Fantasy, preferably, but I'll take anything that has stories that revolve around characters as people. Strong personalities with strong flaws as well as strengths that shape the story. The more fucked in the head, the better.

NEW THREAD
>>9048858
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>>9041466
what in the actual fuck

>>9048384
>Way to miss the fucking point
I got the point idiot, but the specifics of what happened in the book has a minuscule chance of occurring in our current era of digitization. Bradbury didn't see this coming in his post apocalyptic visions.

>>9047593
Permanently fucked off hopefully. GRI anon is cool though.