/ftmg/ - female to male general

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>>7700335
>Tiny
Not really.
>hairy
Nope.
>manlet
Got me there.

A user in another bread needs your help: >>7700360

>>7700335
Change that to fat hairy manlet and you got me.

>>7700366
Fuck off buff hairless manlet

>>7700382
Make me.

okay seriously does anyone know how to get DHT cream because it seems borderline impossible and no one's giving me any answers

>>7700434
I've only ever heard of guys getting prescribed it before meta. I don't think any one here would know of a black market method.

>>7700434
Date one of the femboy chemists from >>>/lgbt/femgen, and have them synthesize some for you.

i'm short as fuck, and idk... i think i'm average other than that but idk... i get a lot of people who go on about me being tiny; perspective i guess... not hairy though, i shave pretty much everything (not my arms cuz my s/o has a thing against shaved arms, but other than that nah) most of my hair is just on my head...

Is it weird to give people a fungus as a present

>>7700452
How hard is it to get a degree in chemistry? I mean, make your own T, make your own mdma, make your own LSD. Many gains to be had.

>>7700438
>>7700434
I heard that you can get the prescription but it's just flat out not available in the US. There's an international seller with a 2.5% concentration but it's alcohol based so it stings. Also, you're at risk of customs confiscating it and it's not worth the $300 just to wind up losing it.

Apparently they USED TO sell it in the US but stopped in 2009 because the company just wasn't making as much profit as they wanted so they packed their bags.

>>7700381
Teddy bear?

>>7700462

depends on the person and the fungus...

>>7700469

i imagine it depends on how good you are at chemistry and the other related courses... i knew a chemist... he only ever made a lot of vodka though, he was an alcoholic...

but you don't need a degree in chemistry to make drugs... plenty of people without degrees do that shit

personally the only drugs i care about just come from plants and are easy enough to grow/make... but like even when i've grown weed i'd still buy...

>>7700458
There is surgery to become taller. >>7700462
No.
>>7700481
Compounding pharmacies are a thing.

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>>7700670
Would you be happy if someone gave you a fungus?

>grow weed
Weed is the a drug I don't get at all. Completely numbs my brain without giving any good feels. Do people feel good on weed or is it for the numbing effect mostly?

>>7700469
Not too hard, considering that you are on testosterone.

>>7700692
>There is surgery to become taller.
What, breaking legs and wait for the bones to fuse?

>>7700699
Numbing effect, to my knowledge. Most of the potheads I know just smoke it because it makes them forget about their problems.
That's why weed is diagnosed for anxiety sometimes, it chills you out.

>>7700702
kek
>>7700692
does anyone here know anything about leg lengthening surgery past the basics (intensity of the process, etc)? i was reading the makemetaller forums a couple days ago. don't think i'll get it, if nothing else my legs are freakish as is, but it seems like something that should be discussed more often in ftm circles.

>>7700723
Yes.

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>>7700731
Don't you have to wear the shin things for months, opening up the bone a few mm a time, then let it heal and repeat. Sounds like longtime horrible agony, not to mention you would be basically crippled for the duration of the procedure. Just... fuck no.

>>7700729
But weed paranoia is a thing though.

>>7700764
it's not a fun process for sure
on the other hand, a lot of transition surgeries aren't much more fun

First T shot next week. It's less than 100mg.

When do you lads do it? Morning, afternoon, evening, middle of the night?

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>>7700782
There's a huge difference between snipping off gyno and be laid off for a few weeks, and spending a year and a half with roadkill legs. Come on now. Even meta isn't too long for recovery and you can do the bed-bug lazypants routine while you do it. Phallo Is worse but still not roadkill tier. I read about a dwarf/littleperson/whatever who did it for sorely needed height and the pain he described was madness. Why not just be a badass manlet. I love being a short fucker.

>>7700808
>middle of the night?
Do you have a pet ninja?

>"wake up faggot"
>?
>Needle to the thigh!!!
>aaaahhhh

>>7700822
I'd do it if it didn't require staying still for such an enormous amount of time. I move constantly, even when I'm sitting here I gotta get up at some point or I type while I'm standing and stretching.

Said this in another thread, it's ironically tragic that I'm 5'5'' and a FTM and I got a female cousin who legit looks like a hon and is 6'2''.

>>7700834
>Do you have a pet ninja?
I want it now.
I'm insomniac and it's quiet at night. I stabbed a few oranges today.

>>7700858
>I got a female cousin who legit looks like a hon and is 6'2''.
I feel for these girls. Big burly girls get treated like shit. 5'5 isn't bad though. Loads of cis guys are that height.

>I stabbed a few oranges today.
Why do you bully oranges?

>>7700834
Pet femboys can act as pet ninjas, especially considering that they tend to be extreme weeaboos. They are that way because of the yaoi.

>>7700875
>Why do you bully oranges?
They got sacrificed for the cause. Imagine if I didn't get the air bubbles out or got some blood in the syringe, "retard dies from bad injection".

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>>7700896
tfw no pet femboy ninja to slay oranges with ;_;

>>7700900
>practice
You silly. That's what hobos are for.

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>>7700822
>I love being a short fucker.
Speak for yourself. [spoiler];_;[/therearenospoilers]
I have these insoles that you put in your shoes that can boost your height 1.5-4", but you have to wear boots with laces to get them to fit and you have to redo the laces to make sure you're not squeezing your foot. It's not very fun.

I'm just starting to accept that I'm going to be stuck being a cute babyfaced manlet forever.
I've been debating getting cheekbone implants/jaw reconstruction so at least I don't have babyface.

>>7700858
I'm sure there's some movement involved, bedsores are a nasty business.

>>7700764
>>7700822
>>7700916

Is there ever a point where this cat doesn't look like someone just surprise buttsex'd it?

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>>7700965
>I've been debating getting cheekbone implants/jaw reconstruction so at least I don't have babyface.
You got any pics of results? How much does it cost?

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>>7700974
I think that's the point.

>>7700965
>I've been debating getting cheekbone implants/jaw reconstruction so at least I don't have babyface
fms with deschamps-braly? i've also looked into that, but there's very little information
i'm babyfaced to enough of a degree it wasn't a problem passing pre-t because i look so young my face isn't even sexually dimorphic yet, but that's a bit of a problem when you're becoming an adult man

https://discord.gg/G3QQGRv

Hey nig nogs join my discord

>>7700361
How active is it

>>7700999
Yeah I have the same issue. I've had the face of a 14 year-old boy since I was 10, but I'm 23 now and that's not really becoming.
Even if I try to dress or style my hair like an adult man, I just look like a tween trying to look older.

>>7700985
There's a ton of results for cheekbone implants. I don't know if they're used for "curing" babyface but I have low cheekbones so they'd certainly help anyway.
Jaw shaving is very much a thing, mostly Korean women get it though.
I just want my face to have more shape and angles to it.

>>7701285
Koreans actually encourage their kids to get facial surgery to be beautiful.

>>7701300
Yeah. I'm not sure if Koreans just have better access to surgery or the whole country has low self esteem.

>>7701312
pretty sure it's the first, but as a result of the second

>>7700858
> I got a female cousin who legit looks like a hon and is 6'2''.

My mother and sister are near 6' and stuck with size 12 (US) shoes. I'm 5'6" and a 5 in women's shoes.

>>7700834
I believe what you're looking for is a cat. Though sadly my kittens can't give me my injection when they try to attack my legs at 3AM.

>>7701331
I do have cats that jump on me at 3AM for food, actually. Might use them as reminders.

>cats jump
>prep syringe

>>7701283
it's pretty active, going to bed and waking up to 800+ new messages is pretty common

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>>7700699
>>7700729

The numb is definitely part of it for me, but I also feel far more empathetic, patient, time seems to pass more quickly, and I feel more able to focus at the task at hand while high. Now granted, that last part may be due to chemical dependency/stonerbrain fallacies, but meh.

as for weed paranoia, It is definitely a thing but much more common for new stoners. I still get it on occasion, but I know that its just the weed so i don't let it affect me. You don't lose control with weed the same way as alcohol, and even though sobriety is better in general for self-control.

>>7700965
>I've been debating getting cheekbone implants/jaw reconstruction so at least I don't have babyface.

get on T for a few years first; T will develop your jaw just like every other muscle in your body, and will help with that square jawline. also facial hair really helps. facial surgery fuckups are nasty, you don't want to fuck with that if your body can do it on its own.

>>7700808
on Tuesday, whenever I happen to remember its Tuesday. usually mid-afternoon. if not, Wednesday.

>>7700361
I can't use it because my accounts not verified, can you fix the settings?

>>7701600
maybe verify your account then

>>7700965
I only wear lace up boots anyway so that doesn't seem like a negative but still don't imagine I could be bothered to wear them most of the time.
I just remind myself I'm the same height as daniel radcliffe and he seems like an okay guy so...

>>7701763
That's a pretty alright height. I know lots of dudes that height.

Okay really, tell me that I'm not the only ftm that isn't a manlet on here. I know at least some of you have to be taller than 5'7" or whatever.

>>7701791
I'm 5'7 and 18, hoping, begging to grow at least an inch or two with test.

>>7701809
You're starting early enough that you'll probably get at least an extra inch out of puberty. Good on ya.

>>7701791
Sorry mate, 10 years ago I didn't even know what blockers were.

>>7700699

it affects different people differently (you can gauge how its effects based on your relatives cuz it's genetic) so what you felt isn't how everyone who smokes it feels... some drugs just aren't that great for some people... like i don't really care for coke, but some people love it... i've used it multiple times, but it's never felt worthwhile... but that's just how it is for me

i like the high i get with weed... i find it relaxing and it takes the edge off of pain... it helps me focus too, chills out anxiety usually too... and sometimes when my stomach is fucked it helps me eat...

i get high and do shit like play guitar and i can do that for hours and just feel content... it can help me write (for anything creative it helps me focus, not get distracted, and i can appreciate the time slowing sensation effect cuz it makes me feel like i have an eternity to do those things), it helps me sort through shit in my head (i can think about shit, process it, and handle it better)... i like sex better with it (it's always good whereas i have mixed feelings about sex on h... it feels good, and like it can last fucking forever cuz it's hard as fuck to actually orgasm... so it's somewhere between amazing and torture... pcp+ weed was the best for sex as far as drugs i've done go), it can be a social thing too... etc etc etc ...

it helps me and my s/o do shit like have serious talks about hard shit together cuz it can help chill emotions...

there's a lot more than numbness to it for me... and really a lot of intoxicants can give you that to some degree... if i just cared about being numb all the time i'd just be an alcoholic... i mean shit it's legal and i don't have to go outside to do it

i smoked earlier today with my s/o and his sister, but we just wandered around a museum and there was some live music...

>>7700729

i've never forgotten about my problems while on anything... i wish a drug would do that

>>7701840
Neither did I, but I'm not a manlet.

>>7700764

not everyone gets paranoid like that...

>>7701809
very unlikely
i know a guy who grew an inch (5'0" to 5'1") starting at 19, but female puberty is already over for you, so the chances of that are barely any better than if you were starting at 30

>>7702028
Yeah but male puberty doesn't end until what, 23 or something?

>>7702055
Seriously? That's a huge different if it ends by 18 for females.

>>7702066
Well yeah but females start puberty way earlier.

>>7702055
kinda-sorta-yes-no
there's no 'age when puberty ends'
but if you went through a normal natal female puberty, for all intents and purposes everything is done by 16 or so, even though your body is still very flexible in development for several years on
this is where the meme amongst trans women of puberty ending at 23-25 comes from, because the body is still very sensitive to new hormones at that point
for trans women there's a crash in transition success from 25-30, while for trans men that crash happens more like 18-25
both sexes get a 'second puberty' of sorts that causes new masculinization/feminization in late 20s/early 30s, though, which means if you're still androgynous at that age you won't be for much longer

>>7702096
Only a couple, not like 5-6.

>>7702106
girls now routinely start puberty as early as age seven or eight, which is why all tomboy/autistic/both natal females should be placed on hormone blockers until age 10-13 (cognitive development to consistently diagnose transsexualism does not exist before that point)

>>7702123
What the fuck.

>>7702123
Massive exaggeration and male puberty has been going down too.

>>7702184
I wonder why, that's pretty weird.

>>7700699

+ to answer the first bit sure if it was shrooms... or something to try a cooking experiment with... or something cool looking

>tfw grade 3 ptosis of the breasts
who else here /fuckedfromthestart/

>>7700434
2 questions about DHT cream.

1. Does it actually work for FTMs?

2. [spoiler] so you, uh... rub it into the clit... yeah? [/spoiler]

Does anyone know if cyponiate testosterone is good after the expiration date?

>>7703245
Yes and yes.
Most ftms get good clit growth just from regular ol' testosterone, using DHT cream is more about 100% optimizing that growth before surgery.

How do you guys deal with going to the beach? Don't mean top surgery, but "filling" the swim shorts/trunks/speedo whatever you like to wear.

>>7703432
Swim jock + cheapie packer

>>7700335
What's the best haircut I can get as someone who is still closeted and has a round face? I want something short, but pixie cuts are way too dyke-y imho

>>7703583
Pre-t, pretty much everything is going to look dyke-y on you.

>>7703583
read the rassaku guide in the op
basically, what you need is a haircut that only men have, which tends to be longer and shaggier than the haircuts most early-transition trans guys go for (and then end up looking like girls with short, close-to-corners-of-head hair)

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>>7700335
So I got a question out of honest curiosity.

Why is it that most ftms (at least in this gen) still type like females, and most mtfs still type like men?

There are exceptions, but generally, this is what I have observed. Explain please.

>>7703771
my /tttt/ typing style is more feminine than my actual one because i choose to type in all lower case, which appears more feminine
i don't get 'you type like a girl' outside of this board

>>7703786
I wasn't considering upper and lower case.

Here's an example.
>okay seriously does anyone know
I don't really get it but the "okay seriously" sounds like a very female thing to say.

>i'm short as fuck, and idk... i think i'm average other than that but idk...
This screams either extreme omega male or female.

Help me pinpoint this.

>>7703771
>type like a female
How's that? If anything I'm always assumed male.

>>7703771
Do we? Most people here type in 4chan standard and everyone on 4chan is presumed male.

>>7703806
Brooklyn is an outlier because he's barely conscious when he types.

>>7703806
that's brooklyn, and as >>7703821 said he's constantly strung out on heroin
he's also 30 and still pre-t, so has ridiculous levels of estrogen exposure compared to everyone else here

>>7703432
you realize most cis guys peens shrink b/c of the cold water

>>7703815
There's 9 people in the thread right now and 90 replies. Not a frequenter but you're probably not the same people as, for example, the first 50 posts.

>>7703816
If you spent the majority of your childhood, adolescence, and adulthood on 4ch you probably type like the average 4channer, i.e. male

>>7703806
>>7703771

Dunno what to tell you, I think you might just be projecting on this one, friend. Not trying to be a dick, I just don't see it.

But devils advocate, if it's true I'd probably just put it down to socialisation, either as a result of growing up around one's natal sex, or a result of learning to behave in a way that's congruent with the expectations of one's natal sex because it gets a better response from people. Pre-everything people might be influenced by their hormones too.

I honestly just don't see it, but I guess that could just as easily be my projection as yours.

>>7703432
Packing is a meme. No one cares if you don't have a bulge.

>>7704000
It's not just about the appearance, it's also about the feeling of not missing something in your pants.

Not sure how anyone can tolerate to swim with a packer and the constant paranoia of it swimming away on its own but... when there's a will, there's a can. //shrug

>>7702066
I'm 20 and i'm still a 2\3 on the tanner scale, i've never been on blockers either but my puberty seems to have stopped after a year or some shit. I had it at 13 and i have pretty much the same body i had, don't know why my growth is so delayed

is transitioning worth being a manlet, i already have a complex about my height

>>7704000
i pack more for myself than anyone else
plus it reminds me how to walk and sit
also stps are amazing, just saying

>>7702213
milk and plastic bottles

>>7702123
Does bring a tomboy or autistic really act as a reliable predictor of being FtM?

I don't get the manlet meme
girls i've dated and who've been interested in me don't seem to care about height,

>>7704346
for me it's more of just another visible reminder of how i'll never be a cis male, rather than being bothered by how other people see me

>>7704400
You realize that there are short cis guys out there, right?

>>7704346
Height and lack of dick is what bother the fuck out of me. I'm pretty good looking, fit, whatever, but the BDD is still enormous.

>>7704400
Basically. I know there are short guys around, but fit manlets, eh.

>>7703806

i'm the second person you quoted (pretty sure i'm not also the first cuz i think i typically just write "ok" but who knows?) and honestly in most parts of 4chan and online in general people assume i'm a guy... yeah i forget what i've said and what i'm saying so i repeat shit and whatnot, but that's cuz i'm always high either way it only ever seems to affect how i'm viewed in this particular general

as for the other person... i've heard guys say "ok seriously" before, it's not that uncommon... you're just nit picking cuz of where you are and you do the same to transchicks when you're judging them...

you're taking shit people would normally gloss over and putting it under a magnifying glass cuz you know we're trans... it's no different than when people in passgen tell people who are cis that they don't pass...

i've been on 4chan for about a decade... i'm not new, and i don't typically spend my time talking on female dominated sites

>>7704185

for the most part my body hasn't changed since i was 11... i started to go through puberty kinda young and shark week started 2 weeks after i turned 11

i say "for the most part" cuz a few years ago i dealt with the whole "second puberty" thing like what >>7702099 is talking about but i didn't get more feminine and my body didn't change... my hormones have always been off though so i'm guessing that has something to do with it, but i mostly just noticed differences with shark week, breaking out etc...

>>7703771
because you're aware that you're dealing with ftm\mtf people and therefore it's easy to associate behaviour with their known natal sex
if you were outside and didn't know you were interacting with a tranny you would not notice that

>>7704404
The issue is that the majority of "short" cis guys are still going to be taller than the average woman and/or trans guy. I'm 5'7", which is below the male average (5'9"), but it's not super-noticeable and I generally tower over most women I encounter. The average for women (and therefore trans guys) is 5'4", and those at or below that are really going to stick out.

But men in general seem to be particularly sensitive about their height. I've grown accustomed to adding an inch and saying that my shoes have thick soles, otherwise self-proclaimed 5'10" guys that I see eye-to-eye with get pissed off.

>>7704460
well shit, it's good i'm going on testosterone soon enough, i'd drive a shotgun up my mouth and fire rather than undergo feminization again

>>7704494

eh like i said it didn't change my body... i still don't really have tits, an ass, hips, or thighs (boy's pants fit me better than chick ones cuz of everywhere i'm lacking)

i did notice mood fluctuations in the sense that severe depression can be hormone related... like things could be somewhat ok and i'll be thinking about suicide for no fucking reason, and like shark week is a bit less irregular... but that's it really... like i said my hormones and reproductive system are fucked up and some of the changes haven't even been feminizing but rather the opposite...

my body visually hasn't changed since i was 11 though, i'm built like a kid pretty much... i went through puberty really young and it all just sorta got stunted... and there's some physical abnormalities due to hormone shit as well...

idk how that kinda thing affects other people generally, but in my case my pre-existing issues and my body not being quite right with hormones to begin with it hasn't made a real difference...

i still have people telling me i'm fairly androgynous and the only thing that's affected that seems to be related more to my health issues... i can put on muscle fairly easily, and when i used to be able to work out that made shit easier, but i've lost a lot of muscle being sick so i'm more frail looking than i was... and since i can't exercise i can't do shit about it

>second puberty
I don't even get what that is, I've been the same since I was 16. I just lost weight but that's because I'm a gym rat. No wrinkles anywhere, no cellulite, literally one white hair last year.

>>7704852
>16
>going grey

wew lad

>>7704885
Bro I'm 27 now.

>>7704852

it's just natural hormone fluctuations... it affects everyone differently, like i said my body has been the same since i was 11 but some people do find that their bodies change with the hormone fluctuations... it's probably not typically a huge difference

i only have one white hair too, found it this year... but my grandmother hardly had any greys even in her 80's so there's a chance that just won't really happen

>>7704885

my s/o's been going grey since he was 16... he has a lot of grey hair now, but he had a streak by the time we were 20...

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unrelated to anything: my s/o's sis found a panflute so we're gonna get drunk tonight and figure out how to play it... trying to figure out how to get a proper loud noise out of it now

anyone know?

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>>7705146
find a youtube video, jesus christ

you're supposed to get a pelvic exam and pap smear when you are 21 but i don't think i can do it. the thought of a doctor or anyone looking at my body there makes me feel so dysphoric.

>>7705174

if i felt like watching a video i would've... instead i'm gonna drink and fuck with it 'til it works...

>>7705185

+ i can't learn from videos anyway...

>>7703245
Yes, it works. You put it on your junk and it makes it grow a little more. It's recommended that you're on T for at least 2 years before you bother with it. There's also been a few people who said it made their voice drop a little more than what regular T was able to accomplish.

Cis guys love to bash it because it can cause body hair and balding.

>>7704323
hwat

>>7705238
Female hormones in milk, administered to cows to make them mature faster. And I'm assuming BPA from plastics injested cause something something Facebook hearsay science I dunno.

>>7705220
I heard about the balding and excessive body hair side effects as well, and I'm too much of a vain cunt to give up having hair for 1 inch or less of dick
When I walk around or look at a mirror I don't have my junk in my face so I prefer not risking losing muh long hair. Is it that likely to cause hair loss? I can stand having a microdick cause that's what I'll get anyway, but I'm not the type of person to go "just shave it bro what's a little balding"

>>7705289
If you want to be a man then balding comes with the territory.
>Being vain
>Wanting to be a man
pick one

>>7705347
Not at the age of 20. Some of the most vain people in the world are men anyway.

>>7703806
Because "okay seriously" and "idk" are commonly associated with teenage girls.
Plus as another anon said, because you know we're FtM, you have that biased lean towards a "female" way of typing.
We have cis dudes drop in here all the time and they type just the same as the rest of us.

some gay porn blog i follow posted ftm porn and "what a good ally" was an actual thought i had hahahahaha

>>7705182
I'm 23 and haven't seen a regular doctor in years.
I generally only go if something's wrong, which hasn't happened.
And I don't plan on using that set of organs, so I really don't care if something goes wrong there.

>>7705347
No it doesn't, they didn't release propecia on the market or refined hair transplant techniques for trannies. Wanting to look good is a human fault, if you want to call it such. I don't want to be "a man", I wanted to be a male version of myself and I'm not up for losing something I like about myself. Also as another anon pointed out, vanity isn't gendered. It's not masculine to pretend you don't give a shit, ya know

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>>7705412
Do you know any straight men?
They literally don't give a shit what they look like.
Testosterone makes you feel sexy and dominant no matter what.
You don't need makeup and tweezing and douches to feel acceptable.

>>7705471
Yeah because every single straight man is a walking stereotype. The majority =/= everybody. And besides, even the man you linked in the picture wants to "look good", being fit and trimmed. Just in a different way, but it's still the fruit of vanity. It's like animals that engage in flamboyant dances to attract females, in a way. It's a natural tendency.
Those are a lot of assumptions you pulled out of your ass, the fact I like having\keeping hair somehow implies I trim my eyebrows and apply makeup, which I don't. But even in that case, lots of fags are into cosmetology, and they're men with testosterone as well. People aren't that inflexible, it's not a box that you get either the whole thing or nothing.

Are you guys watching the superb owl?
I'm cheering for the cheatriots even though I'm a steelers fan.

>>7700916
Is that your foot? Nice painted toes, fag.

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>>7705495
>what is napoleon syndrome

angry manlet detected.
enjoy your receding hairline, anon.

>>7702123
This actually seems like a good idea.

>>7705601
I'm 5'11 and my hair is pretty healthy, not an argument. But whatever floats your boat.

>>7705502
Fuck no, watching sports is for the mentally handicapped.

Have any of you guys tried a feeldoe? How does it compare to a strap-on harness. Tbh I've never found pleasure with that hole at all but I hear women saying it feels more "authentic" which is something I'm interested in. Strap-ons always looked a bit shit desu.

>>7705716
An anon posted about this in a prior thread: >>7669760
I found it insightful

>>7705747
Oh thanks, I don't really get how people cum from a strap-on tbqh so ig it's just something you have to try and figure out for yourself.

>>7705347

Narcissus was a man

>>7705347
You do realise that for the majority of human history it was seen as the man's job to preen and peacock himself - women were supposed to be demure and not draw too much attention to themselves, and it was only in the last few centuries that this started to reverse. Why do you think high heels were invented for men lol? Stop buying into what uncle 4chan told you as kid.

>>7704325
Probably not but
>is tomboy
>is autistic
>ended up being a tranny

guess it probably has some strong anecdotal evidence.

are there any regular posters here who've had bottom surgery?

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>>7705977
i would argue he was more of a femme-boy.
as if any of that matters.
diana was a woman but that doesn't mean all women love to go hunting.

>>7706029

No ones suggesting all men are vain, just contesting that NO men are.

>>7700335

>making your life more difficult and using your previous set of genitals into a funky, useless penis-like mass of flesh

Senpai finally noticed us: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/5salfz/all_tomboyautisticboth_natal_females_should_be/

>>7706079
>taking 4chan posts seriously
ho boy

>>7706079
Sad!

>>7706079

Lol someone posts a wall of text not only refuting an anon talking shit, but then getting triggered as fuck over the Bush image.
>Insensitivity? On MY 4chan?!

>>7704325

i'm not autistic, but i was a tomboy as a kid... got in trouble for playing and ruining stupid shit they'd force me to wear (instead of just realizing i was gonna fuck that shit up while playing and not making me wear it), and i used to get hit and "corrected" for having masculine mannerisms... my parents were weird and retarded about shit though cuz i also got hit for crying (i didn't cry a lot but if i was getting screamed at or some shit then yeah...) cuz "only sissies cry" so i had an upbringing that was stereotypically masculine in some ways and then i was bitched out for the way i sat, talked, moved etc

>>7705977

narcissus probably shouldn't be used as an example... considering he's mythological and all...

>>7706237

Ur mom is mythological

>>7706244

nah there's myths about her... she'd love it if there were though...

>>7706067
hey hon

>>7706079
Alright who's the retard who did this

>>7706252

no myths* my bad... nice... not even drunk yet, and i didn't take enough h to get high... just enough to stop withdrawal to go out and drink

>>7706266
That did what part of this?

>>7705502

i'm watching it kinda, it's on anyway... first year i'm not gambling on it, but that's cuz i usually watch it with my family (it's a gambling holiday for my family) and i'm not this year, but i'm at this chick's house chilling with her, her kid's dad, my s/o and his sis... so i'm watching it anyway

>>7705679

i just look at it like a holiday, it's an excuse to have a party and get really drunk... i don't watch football, but it's the superbowl... doesn't count

>>7706079
For reference on how this started: >>7702123

>>7706266
As you would see from clicking on the username in the post, it is /u/NurgleChaos, the same Reddit user that criticized the femboys in >>>/lgbt/femgen before: https://www.reddit.com/user/NurgleChaos

>>7702123
First of all, no. As a woman diagnosed with an ASD in adulthood, no. Not only is the medication itself hazardous (see: articles posted earlier this week), but most GNC children and teens resolve into non-trans adults. The teenage years as a girl with executive functioning difficulties and sensory issues on top of regular teenage ish was hard enough. I can't imagine blockers would make it any easier, whether the girl resists transition or not.

TL;dr: Hormone blockers will do the opposite of help those girls, take it from someone on the autism spectrum.

>>7706409
Refer here, sweetheart: >>7706203

Looks like we have Ledditors among us.

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>>7706409
>gnc
Stopped reading right there

>>7706448
Why?

>>7705502
I'm working, so, uh. Technically yes?

>>7706452
It's another dumb TERF buzzword that's losing its meaning faster than Usain Bolt

>>7706470
Different anon, but it literally just means gender non-conforming, many people use that word and concept.

>>7706027
RDJA had phallo, I believe.

>>7706470
GNC as a term has been around for longer than you probably have.

>>7706477
Fucking christ the original post was a joke
Go back to your hugbox

>>7706409
the study that showed "trans" children growing out of it didn't discern between children who were gendernoncomforing and children who were actually dysphoric. citing it as a way to defend denying trans children medical treatment that they need makes you look like an idiot/terf.

i didn't get blockers when i should have and as a result my life is a lot harder

>>7706499
Your own users admitted that it is impossible to determine the difference at that point, and argued for antigonadotropics from that, literally, in the post that started this whole mess.

I feel sorry for you, and hope that one day you will see pass the effects of society as accept yourself as a GNC WOMAN and stop taking those highly toxic drugs.

>>7706522
testosterone isn't toxic and I'm not a gnc woman.

>>7706499

yeah i exhibited signs as early as 3... people don't realize how early this kinda shit can start and assume every kid is just confused and doesn't understand...

>>7706528
It has adverse effects upon the heart, and transitioning in general, in either direction, has adverse effects upon the bones. I myself am FtT, but let's not pretend that these drugs do not have adverse effects.

>>7706499
I wish I had blockers at the time, I got periods at 10 and it was barely the early 2000's.

Also I'm not American, so way less exposure to these things in general.

>>7706541
You exhibited being GNC at 3, almost all such people desist. Read through the actual research, I think that statistic is summarize d in the DSM-V, where you can also see the absurd diagnosis criteria in children.

>>7706547
testosterone shifts your risk factors for heart disease from female to male. im at no more at risk than any cis male.

>>7706549
You no likes starting puberty, that is the effect of society. Change society, not your biology. Read some Thomas Szasz, and you will see.

>>7706562
And males are at higher risk of heart disease than females. And you still have the normal female risk of breast cancer, even after mastectomy and cross-sex HRT.

>>7706567
Reddit please.

>>7706528
You are still a GNC women as you cannot change your sex. Please just accept yourself. This is nothing short of some of the most strange 4chan-mediated repression I have ever seen.

>>7706558

nigga i'm too drunk for whatever you just said, and i'm not saying it's cool for everyone but as someone who hit 30 being pre-everything cuz of shit circumstances... i'm gonna be real and say early intervention and knowledge would've done a lot of shit for me...

no shit that's not everyone, but i'm saying kids shouldn't be written off

>>7706591
What?

you can disagree with diagnosing gender dysphoria in young children, but my issue is with terfs that deny that HRT and surgery are the only effective treatment for gender dysphoria in adults. it's mind boggling. it reminds me of christians who insist that prayer and conversion therapy will help you accept that you're really a man/woman like god made you.

>>7706592
i know i can't change my sex.

>>7706599
Children should not be intervened on as most will desist, and we cannot differentiate between those that will and those that will not.

>>7706608
Then why do.you say that you are not a woman?

funny how major medical associations everywhere accept that gender dysphoria is legitimate, most likely has a biological cause, and that transition is the most effective method at treating it, but terfs insist that it's caused by sexism despite having no actual evidence for their theory.

>>7706608
Psychotherapy, and if that fails, antipsychotics, should at the least be attempted in adults first. Again, it is the effects of society and sexism that causes this.

>>7706609

i think it really depends... like i said in my case it would've made a difference... it was harmful to me that there was no intervention

like i said that's not every case, but a lot of transpeople exhibit symptoms at a very young age... and ealrly intervention would be helpful in those cases

fact is when you're dealing with someone trans it's detrimental to have them go through puberty... it's really fucking damaging

and as someone who went through puberty very young (like i've said in other places in the thread my body has been the same since i was 11... i'm 30 now) i can say it's been nothing but harmful... it really fucked my shit up... and all medications carry risks yeah, but blockers while you're at an age when you're still unsure isn't necessarily the worse option... people can go through puberty as normal at an age where they are more sure of themselves if they aren't actually trans... but it's actually harmful to let someone trans go through puberty...

>>7706657
those aren't first line treatments because they've been tried and they aren't effective. why do you want money and time to be wasted when we know what actually works for treating gender dysphoria?

>>7706641

people ignore the medical shit cuz it's easier to pretend we have a choice...

>>7706641
Their evidence is from brain scans, when one of the largest meta-analysis of neuroimaging data found that there are no male and female brains. Holding onto the idea that there is a biological cause here is like holding onto Whitehead's and Russell's Principia Mathematica after Gödel published his incompleteness theorem.

Why are you still entertaining an obvious troll?

terf concern trolling, grating as always

best off ignoring it

>>7706657
antipsychotics have worse side effects than HRT and aren't effective at treating gender dysphoria.

the O N L Y treatment for what we have is to transition.

>>7706696
you can't read

>>7706669

early* my bad... i'm drinking shots of whiskey and brandy while i fucking talk to you... just want you to be aware

>>7706669
Except that it is harmful to people whom are not transgender: http://californiahealthline.org/news/women-fear-drug-they-used-to-halt-puberty-led-to-health-problems/

In light of that, it would be like giving amphetamine to a person with bipolar disorder as first line treatment. Yes, there are some cases where people have the opposite reaction and it will actual fix it, but in almost all cases, it makes things much worse.

>>7706679
Except that they are effective in many cases. There are cases where they are not effective, but it is best to use the treatment with the least side effects first. For example, trying SSRIs in a depressed patient first, instead of jumping right to experimental neurosurgery.

>>7706409

This is copy/pasted from the Reddit thread guys, chill, nothing to see here

>>7706558

GNC =/= dysphoria

>>7706567
>society is why puberty sucks
Nigga wat
Even cis kids think it sucks. Real shock, your body going whacky all of a sudden is generally unpleasent, that's nothing to do with society.

>>7706727

yo like i said you can't necessarily have 100% accuracy but in some cases it's detrimental to ignore that shit

This whole concern troll thing is particularly funny to me because I thought I just was "GNC" (didn't use the term) with unreal standards until last week. Then I came here and tl;dr said I wanted a fit body, but a fit male body.

Then my brain processed that.

>>7706736
there was one documented case of an antipsychotic appearing to treat gender dysphoria. this does not mean it's an effective treatment. it shouldn't be used because antipsychotics have very heavy side effects and as i said, aren't effective at treating gender dysphoria. i was misdiagnosed with bipolar in high school and took them. i developed tardive dyskinesia, prediabetes, and had cognitive problems, and was still dysphoric. many trans people with bipolar/other disorders are still dysphoric on antipsychotics.

HRT isn't comparable to experimental neurosurgery. it's actually proven to work, which you don't seem to understand.

>>7706614

Because sex and gender are different things

>>7706707
Some antipsychotics, such as aripiprazole, have very minimal side effects, while still be effective. At the very least, psychotic disorders should be screened for, unlike what happened in this case: https://www. reddit. com/r/GenderCritical/comments/4rjzrk/psychosis_and_the_transtrap

>>7706773
terfs, much like conservatives, aren't able to understand this concept.

>>7706698
Boredom

>>7706765
Except it is not possible to determine which cases it would be detrimental to intervene and which to not intervene in at such a young age.

>>7706727

Gee whiz, it's almost like medical treatment is a case-by-case situation that requires decisions to be made based on individual circumstances and medical histories rather than everyone on earth taking the same cure-all pill that solves everything.

>>7706776
psychotic disorders are screened for you dumbass. even at informed consent clinics. do you know what differential diagnosis is?

linking to an antiscience hate group doesn't make you look good

>>7706758
At the very least, my point was that it is not evidence that someone is transgender. And society does cause women to hate their bodies at puberty more than they would otherwise. The boys at my school treated me differently when I started developing breasts, if I was born in today's world, I likely would have been tricked into transitioning, which would had only made my problems worse.

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>>7706785
>this is the only way to make /ftmg/ move quickly

>>7706742
I am the same user that posted that in the Reddit thread.

>>7706806
>the solution to my problems are the same as everyone else's

>>7706806
dysphoria is not hating your body.

>>7706806

And plenty of us got tricked into NOT transitioning, which made OUR problems worse. Welcome to the wonders of being different fucking people.

>>7706750
Except that that is what the diagnosis criteria in children are, as it is not possible to differentiate at that point.

>>7706707
What do you mean when you say that I cannot read?

>>7706814
>willingly posting on a site that contains such horrifically offensive George Dubya memes

>>7706825
George honey it's past your bedtime

>>7706696
>look how smat I am m'ladies *tips le fedora*

>>7706806
hating your body because of sexism is different from feeling gender dysphoria. therapy can help you with the first. it won't help a dysphoric person.

>>7706822
why the hell don't you use contractions? it's creepy man.

>>7706795
Except that the cases cannot be differentiated at fucking 7.

>>7706837
>why the hell don't you use contractions? it's creepy man.
Not to mention unfeminine!

>>7706797
They very clearly are not always, as seen in the thread that I linked.

>>7706696
r/iamverysmart

>>7706842
then it's a good thing seven year olds don't need hormone blockers

Wow, not a day after Brooklyn finally learned what TERF stands for, we get hands on experience.

>>7706850
>STILL TAKING THE POST SERIOUSLY
How many sticks are in your ass
Serious question, no joke. In case you need that directly stated.

>>7706837
Except that I did feel like it was not part of my body, that I should had been born male. I got over it as I aged, as it was only due to the effects of society, and I learned to interact with fellow women. Maybe there are some case of actual sex dysphoria that should be treated with surgery and cross-sex HRT, but not as a teenager.

How is it creepy that I do not use contractions?

>>7706850
Your own users state that 7 year olds need antigonadotropics, stop backtracking.

>>7706849
misdiagnosis happens in the field of medicine, but it's very rare in the context of gender dysphoria so pointing out one instance of it doesn't really prove anything.

>>7706861
TERF is a slur.

>>7706887
Good

>>7706786

i think it's a matter of knowing your kid... the level of severity and how long it all persists... i've acknowledged that it isn't every case, but i'm also saying it's highly detrimental to assume it's nothing and just let shit run it's normal course when the child in question is trans... no shit there's no 100% accuracy to determine shit here, i never disagreed with you... what i'm saying is that not putting any weight onto the shit a trans child says and the shit that goes on is damaging...

as someone trans i can say that puberty and all of that shit was damaging... that early intervention and therapy at the very least would've made a huge difference

i doubt i would've gone from a gifted programs, ap everything, scholarships, national honours societies dinners and shit kid to a fucking loser junkie had some of that shit been addressed... as an example of how badly ignorning that shit can go i'm being real with you and saying it should be monitored and taken seriously... that sometimes it's not some passing childhood phase... that ignoring it when it's a serious issue does hurt people and you can't ignore shit for some "greater good" maybe medication is extreme for you... but paying attention and doing shit at a time where it can make a fucking difference sure as fuck isn't

and you're naïve if you think it's better to ignore that shit every fucking time

>>7706884
Still, psychotherapy should be attempted first. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Sometimes, in the case of a psychotic disorder or identity issues due to autism or a cluster B personality disorder, it is difficult to tell from one meeting what is the true cause, psychotherapy and diagnosis go hand in hand in such cases of psychological disorders.

>>7706889
>as someone trans i can say that puberty and all of that shit was damaging... that early intervention and therapy at the very least would've made a huge difference
Definitely for me too.

>>7706876
>taking 4chan seriously

Can we wrap this up and get back to discussing how Jews did 9/11?

>>7706889
Psychotherapy should be done, of course. I think we are actually in agreement.

>>7706887
nope. slurs have long histories of oppression and violence behind them. a term used to describe someone who hates a minority group and denies science to prevent them from accessing medical treatment is not a slur.

>>7706861

yeah... i should stop learning shit...

>>7706896
What the hell is worth with you people!?

>>7706888
Trips wins the thread.

>>7706905

Kek what a normie

>>7706816
It literally is, and I am FtT.

>>7706894

yeah... i feel like for me there were a million chances to intervene throughout my childhood, and even if it was past puberty (like i said that started very young for me) it still would've made a difference... in my case ignorance and religion were extremely harmful to me... i don't doubt getting help would've changed a lot

>>7706899

well yeah, no shit, i never said people should blindly put their kids on medications but if you see behaviours and hear shit (in my case i literally thought i was gonna grow up and be a guy and then at 3 or 4 saw my mother naked and was inconsolable fucking crying asking "is that gonna happen to me?" and continued issues, talks, and thoughts) it should be given some weight... it's ridiculous and stupid to write shit off just cuz someone is a child

>>7706935
>FtT

>>7706935
Oh now you're not even trying

>>7706935
nope, it's not. stop lying to further your shitty agenda.

>>7706905
>thinking radfeminism is worth shit in 2017

Go back to plebbit, goyim. If it wasn't for your band of retards and your concerntrolling, I wouldn't have had to watch my skeleton feminize for 8 years. If you believe in hippy shit like reincarnation, I hope you'll neck yourself in your next life because of gender dysphoria but fail to do so because your gender can't even into suicide.

Fuck you.

Sage the roasties and ignore, (((ladies)))

>>7706989
>>7706979
>>7706965
I do not understand what you are trying to accuse me of with your replies.

>>7704325
they're the only predictors there is
>>7705182
pretty sure you only need to do that if you're having dysphoriahole sex
>>7705289
topical dht cream shouldn't impact your hair for the same reason topical dht-blocking shampoos shouldn't impact your dick
>>7706409
kek, hi gendercrit-chan
i'm autistic and not 'diagnosed in adulthood', i was diagnosed at age three
i would have had a much easier early adolescence if i wasn't losing functioning at the same time and turning into a disturbed, violent mess because i had the wrong hormones in my system

>>7706995
You are angry because of society, and I understand, but you need to accept yourself as a woman.

>>7707034
also, i'm the writer of the original post, so
>autistic man (female) who was a tomboy as a kid and hit puberty before he was able to express his gender issues explains how to make transsexualism a less crippling disorder for many young trans boys
>REEEEE MEDICALIZATION WHO IS THIS PERSON WITH NO FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE ON THE TOPIC TO TELL ME THIS

>>7706964
Children think all kinds of untrue things, people need to wait for 18 before any medical intervention and have intensive psychotherapy first.

>>7707033
Might be because you don't belong here.

>>7707050
>armchair psychology
What else do they teach you in those Gender Studies classes at the community college

>>7707050
>but you need to accept yourself as a woman.
Literally why? So I can be an angry dyke concern trolling strangers on completely foreign imageboards and complaining about the local memes?

>>7707050
You need to stop talking. You think a disorder that's totally legitimate is caused by society. This is embarrassing desu. Accepting yourself as a woman doesn't change that your identity is male and your brain expects male body parts and you experience dysphoria because you have female ones instead.

>>7707065
Some people don't make it to 18. I guess a trans teenager killing themselves because they can't access medical care they need doesn't matter to you. They could be making a mistake, right? Even though regret rates for transition are extremely low

>>7707065
>all 18 year olds make great life decisions
People make mistakes their entire lives, that's no reason to deny them medical treatment that might save their lives

>>7707080
>I guess a trans teenager killing themselves because they can't access medical care they need doesn't matter to you.
Anon keep in mind you're arguing with someone who generally agrees with conversion therapy.
They support suicide and believe that being dead is better than being "a woman in denial uwu"

>>7707065

people can be sure of something well before they're 18... there's absolutely no reason to disregard the things someone says before they hit 18...

it's ridiculous to act like being 18 somehow makes people sure of themselves... people develop at completely different rates... and really it's not like people hit 18 wake up and are suddenly an adult... that's not at all realistic

the fact is ignoring things a child says is detrimental... it's easy for adults to just write children off, but not all children are the same... not all children are clueless and going through a phase some kids really do know when something is up

writing them off and not taking them seriously isn't at all beneficial... it's detrimental, and it's wrong

again i don't suggest blindly putting every gender non conforming or autistic child on blockers or hrt... what i'm saying is don't just ignore that shit and decide it's a phase cuz of someone's age... give that shit weight cuz the kid might actually be trans... and it's detrimental when dealing with someone trans to let that shit go unchecked

you can't ignore serious problems due to someone's age... that's not how shit works, and it does cause issues longterm

when a child exhibits shit, blatantly says shit, and makes it obvious that something might be wrong there should be some weight put on it

shit should never just be disregarded cuz someone is under 18... that's a horrible way of thinking...

>>7707034
And they are not very good predictors, this will only end up like that one smbc comic, where everyone in the end acts out stereotypes. There are many ways to be a women. By putting them on antigonadotropics, you put them down the road to be FtT, it becomes the default.

>>7706935
Wtf is FtT supposed to mean? Female to TERF? Female to Twit?

>>7707111

Post comic pls, I like smbc

>>7707080
Psychotherapy is often the solution as there is almost always a root cause of society. In any case, you can be gender dysphoric, and taking cross-sex HRT and getting surgery, while still accepting that you are a woman, there are many from /r/GenderCritical that are like that.

>>7707111
you know, i'm pretty confident i've researched this more than you have, and i *know* the reason desistence rates are dropping
that reason applies only to the audience we're talking about if they're also a) exclusively gynephilic and b) extremely gnc, moreso than the average tomboy
you and your aap friends don't have to worry about it, even though you all larp as 'butch lesbians' despite acting nothing like them
if kids go on lupron (and hey, i took lupron for two and a half years -- bet that's something you don't have first-hand experience with either) and yet are very consistently told the majority of them will grow up to be women, etc, transition rates will be relatively low, probably similar to the general natal female adolescent population because while you'll be catching the vast majority of hstses you'll have approximately no aaps due to, you know, lack of puberty

>>7707129

Has anyone seen that BoJack Horseman episode with the teenage girl who just ends like every sentence with "pfuh! ~Society~"?

>>7707080
If they are suicidal, then there are deeper issues at play than being sex dysphoric, and transitioning is the exact opposite of what should be done. There is social contagion in trans kid suicides, and you are contributing to it..

>>7707079
I am just trying to help people out.

>>7707139

i've seen all the episodes, but i don't remember that...

>>7707065
You used to have to wait until 18. Trans minors killed themselves. Even ones in therapy trying to cope with waiting until they turned 18 and could get on HRT.

>>7707129
It's not the solution and gender dysphoria is not caused by society. You can't get it through your head that this has been studied and conversion/acceptance/feminist whatever therapy is not an effective treatment for gender dysphoria.

Stop talking about your hate group and the idiots there.


>>7707143
>deeper issues

>>7707101
But it is seen in the research that many trans kids desist by adulthood.

>>7707143
Transition is the treatment for gender dysphoria. It's not the opposite of what should be done, you fucking idiot.

>>7707143

Lol what a retard
>diabetic kid
>must remove foot
>but muh gotta wait until 18 years old
>kid dies
>"well clearly there was something much deeper at play!"

I liked this thread more when you were making fun of me getting my first shot.

>>7707104
What I am suggesting is not at all comparable to conversion therapy, transitioning GNC and lesbian teenagers is the new conversion therapy, and you are contributing to it! Society finally realized that they cannot force women to behave according to their expectations, so they try to turn the women into men instead, even when it is impossible to change sex!

>>7707150

No yore concern trolling and being a dumbass cunt on the attack and inserting herself into a group of random ass people and telling them how to live their entire fucking lives

>>7707104
And no, I do not support suicide, but you do by pushing this no transition = suicide meme. Social contagion of trans kid suicide.

>>7707151

I think it was when BoJack takes Penny to the prom, one of her friends.

>>7707170
You sound like an insane conspiracy theorist.

>>7707118
I tried searching on Google, but could not find it. We need an smbc comics wiki like they have for xkcd, so we can search through it more easily.

>>7707170
>muh conversion therapy
the vast majority of transitioners, including adolescent transitioners -- and yeah, i'm including you guys, you think i don't read detransitioner blogs? there's nothing more disgusting than seeing a very mildly gnc bi chick larp as a 'butch lesbian' -- are transitioning with a different etiology to the one that causes extreme gender nonconformity, and they don't become gnc and non-straight until *after* they transition
doesn't make much sense to have conversion therapy if only 20% get 'converted' and the other 80% become gnc lgb people

>>7707143

as someone who's tried to hang themselves due to dysphoria i'm gonna be real with you... yeah other issues are at play, but dysphoria is a major one... it can cause a lot of issues and severe depression...

just cuz other shit is at play doesn't mean a large part of the issue is something other than dysphoria... trans suicide rates are extremely high and it's due to lack of understandimg and lack of treatment

denying someone treatment of one major issue while you focus on other shit doesn't help anyone...

you can't put weight on other people's issues and order them in the way you think is best... it's all based on the individual... and it's retarded to just pretend other shit has more weight in a case where suicide is an issue

Hey guys, new plan, lets just kill all women.

>>7707112
Female to trans, as you cannot change your sex.

>>7707179

i mostly just remember the balloons in that episode... been a while and i'm hardly ever sober...

>>7707197
Nobody is claiming that you can change your sex. Trans isn't even a sex so you look retarded saying FtT.

>>7707170

dysphoria extends beyond society's expectations or not fitting into an ideal of gender... that's not what being trans is...

>>7707194
But I fuck women.

>>7707216

We'll pickle the bodies

>>7707194

i like women... i just like when they're pretty and not retarded... they can be dumb, but it's a specific kinda dumb that i find cute...

>>7707237
I have a weak spot for innocent looking but actually slutty girls.

Bonus points if they're blondes.

>>7707237
i like women but i don't think ill ever be in a relationship due to my personality issues. ill just be a permanent bachelor. fuck im lonely

>>7707170
I'm more GNC as a guy than I was as a girl.

I think I am going to create an /fttg/ general thread, dysphoric women general, for women that have sex dysphoria about their bodies, but do not buy into the whole identity politics "you are really a man instead" bullshit. Essentially, a sex flipped version of the femboys at /femgen/.

>>7707242

i'm only into fake blondes... natural blondes don't look like they have eyelashes or eyebrows usually... and i don't care for it + white chicks don't usually do it for me...

i don't mind slutty chicks, but it doesn't give them bonus points...

>>7707328
4chan is a very different community to leddit, gendercrit-chan

>>7707192
Giving antigonadotropics to all autistic and tomboy seven year olds is still a very fucking bad idea, especially considering the adverse physical effects!

>>7707328
you're more disturbed than we are

>>7707321
same, im very feminine. but i still have dysphoria otherwise id just be a gnc woman.

>>7707194
I love women, honestly. I don't think that's gonna solve anything.
Fuck, I love women so much.

>>7707328
I never even understood what "identity politics" was supposed to mean. Seems like every side use it as a standin for whatever they're trying to say without actually having to explain their point.

>>7707345
How am I disturbed?

>>7707342
holy shit you're actually retarded

>>7707272

i've been with my s/o for 12 years, still going... i can handle a long term relationship i just can't be monogamous forever...

>>7707164
>>7707192
Antipsychotics witht psychotherapy should be tried instead for teenagers, high enough dose and they should not be able to kill themselves, they could very possibly solve the problem, and if not, you can take them off at 18 and trans them then, after psychotherapy has been tried.

>>7707328
>trans medicalism is "identity politics"

>>7707362
How am I retarded?

>>7707342

i want you to read what i said again... then i want you to respond, cuz if you actually read what i said i doubt this would've been your response... at no point did i say "all" so if you're talking to someone who did it isn't me

>>7707342

Just shoot em all dead and let god sort em out

>>7707394
Please read my response here: >>7707377

>>7707194

Me again, for the record women are great, I was just baiting our guest

>>7707377

you shouldn't wait until someone is 18 to take them seriously if they're trans... the drugs you're talking about are unnecessary if the root of the problem is the person being trans

you do realize antipsychotics and shit have side effects right? they're not just harmless drugs you give out like candy...

>>7707412
i did, and i still think you're wrong... again 18 isn't a magic age where people wake up and are adults

>>7707377
>should not be able to kill themselves

Interesting that it's not "should not WANT to kill themselves."

>>7707345

yeah i'm not particularly masculine, i have dysphoria though... i'm in a place where when people see me as a man they see me as too feminine and i'm too masculine when i'm seen as a woman

i don't conform to gender standards regardless, but i'm a transguy due to dysphoria...

New thread for FtTs:
>>7707444
>>7707444
>>7707444

>>7707429
If you had any reading comprehension, you would see that I stated that they almost certainly will make them no longer want to kill themselves, but if that does not work out, they should not be able to while on a high enough dosage.

>>7707465

you don't keep upping a dosage on antipsychotics while not treating the actual problem, that's legit crazy shit you're talking about...

>>7707152
>You used to have to wait until 18.
>used to

jajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja

>>7707419
Yes, but the side effects are worth it to see if it works, and stop them from killing themselves while we wait for further development.

>>7707484

not necessarily, you think they're worth it but that doesn't make them actually worth it in every case... your perspective isn't the equivalent of facts you realize that right?

>>7707474
You will not have to keep upping it, you should very quickly reach the needed dosage.

>>7707465

Not in that post, friendo.
And in any case, whether it may also make them not want to is immaterial. Holding up the fact that they might be unable to, as if that's any accomplishment, is retarded.

>>7707483
>>7707483
>>7707483
new thread

>>7707050
>muh society
lmaoing right now tee bee ach

Since you like posting on le epin 4chanz, post:
>yfw you realize I actually am a neverpass tranny and am a low testosterone neet trolling to be called a woman on the internet

Hehe xd, roastie dyke. If I had spoken differently, you would have said I type like a man or a woman to fit your mood.

>>7707509
How is that retarded? We stop the from suicide until they are 18, and see how things are then.

>>7707484

But the side effects of transition are never worth it?
If society's the one with the problem, it shouldn't even matter that a chick went on T and got a deep voice and peach fuzz stach, that's just more GNC right?

>>7707521

Just cut off their limbs, that'll stop them. Fuck treating the actual suicidal impulse, just hobble them so hey can't do anything about it.

>>7707506

i was talking to them based on what they said... again putting someone on medication that is unrelated to their issue isn't ok... all meds have side effects you finding one set of side effects better over another doesn't mean that's the reality...

if the actual problem can be treated early then unrelated and unnecessary problems aren't the solution...

again... this should all be judged on a case by case basis depending on the individual... by professionals

not just some random person spouting shit that they think is right who has no medical degree, isn't well versed on the potential issues, and has no personal experience with the issue i'm talking about...

i get that you think you're right, and i'm not gonna bother trying to change your opinion... i can tell you're the sorta person who doesn't listen to reason... i mean that's obvious, you have no idea what you're talking about on any level but you think you're an authority... so i'm just not gonna bother... i'm drunk and this boring...

nothing i can say will affect you, i can say all this shit to a wall and it'll be just as productive...

>>7705289
A few ftms that have used DHT also use that anti-DHT shampoo stuff as hair loss prevention. Of the people I've seen use it, I don't think any of them went bald. Just like regular testosterone, it likely has more to do with your genetics than anything else.

>>7705716
I have a RealDoe. It's....okay? I mean once the novelty of it wore off I had a hard time liking it because of how you hold it in place.

>>7706887
Except it's not.

>>7702099
>for trans women there's a crash in transition success from 25-30, while for trans men that crash happens more like 18-25
I think you've got that backwards champ. 18 is pretty late for trans women. Testosterone fucks their shit up worse rhan estrogen does us.

>>7707991
>I think you've got that backwards champ. 18 is pretty late for trans women.
kill me

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>>7706479
>RDJA had phallo, I believe.
Meta, actually. Mostly got'er done because I wanted all my documents updated to M: birth cert, passport, DL, everything I could update has been.

Goddamn, I had to skip so much of this thread bc of that retarded troll. Shit, son, not even posting fun pics.

>>7708718
How'd it turn out for ya?

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>>7708850
I heal poorly from everything, my other "nicknames" round here are things like necrosis anon, and zombie.

I have gotten to an ok place with it, and since I am already mid 30s I might just stick with it. If a new/better more advanced option comes along that can be done on what remains i might take it.

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Uh, we got snow last night. Now my [Asian] spouse is dead set against us driving anywhere.

What are you lads up to?

>>7709629
Decompressing. Butted heads with a stupid bitch at work because she persists in being stupid and a bitch. Then went to class and I hate reading philosophical sociological stuff.