>you will never wait the longest 3 minutes for your pregnancy test to tell you you have a family >you will never hold your child against your chest and feel him suckling for milk >you will never bring life into this world, building it cell by cell inside of you until it is perfect
>>5568394 biology is not essential to being a mommy. Case and point, adoption. I was adopted into a family and my mother was infertile. I was still her 'son' and she is still my mother. The biology disappears when you hold your child, when you carry him to bed after a bad dream, when you help him over his first breakup. While it may seem sad right now, remember many cis women who have children wasted their gift by being sluts. The best you can do is take a child who needs you and be the best mother you can to them. Who knows artificial wombs may come into focus by time you are ready for children of your own.
>>5568357 >you will never bleed out of your vagina for 25% of your life with insane cramps and mood swings >you will never have to deal with menopause Its a trade off. Fucking adopt a kid and you are set.
the vast majority of trans people are not mentally stable enough to be parents anyways.
>you will never get mpreg >you will never surprise your husband with the good news >you will never feel your child growing inside of you >you will never never hold your child after their birth >you will never tell your husband how much your baby looks like him >you will never cuddle with your husband and baby and tell your husband that he's such a good father I want to die I want to die I want to die I want to die. I can't take these feels anymore.
>tfw when my mother was about to enter labor with my little brother, my mother told the doctor that she felt she had to take a shit >tfw he told her not to worry about it >tfw she did start shitting during labor >tfw her friend was in the delivery room and started shouting in Spanish, "Yeah, go ahead, let him have it! You warned him, it's his fault! Do it right in his face!" >mfw I would probably die of embarrassment if I were her, tbqh
Well, I'm glad for the sake of the human race that there are some people who find the idea of pregnancy appealing rather than horrifying and disgusting, but I can't say that I understand it. I just wish I could donate my entire female reproductive system to someone who actually wants and would use it.
>>5569318 But srs vaginas are not really like natal vaginas because there's so much science can't change. If you look at a diagram of a cis vagina and a cis penis you'll start to wonder how it is srs fixes all the differences... Truth is they dont. Srs vaginas are not in the same position and shape that natal vaginas are in. They aren't made out of the same stuff. It's a cosmetic surgery that goes as far as it can. I feel really bad for trannies with genital dysphoria. ;-;
I don't understand how anyone is selfish enough to procreate when there are literally tens of millions of children in need. I'm a ciswoman and I'll never do it, I'll fight the biological urge for the good of mankind.
>>5570885 You do realize that when your mother said "there's staving kids in Africa" that was meant to be a lesson on being grateful, not something to be taken literally, right? You not having kids doesn't feed or care for neglected kids elsewhere in the world. Those kids are still going to starve to death whether you have kids or not.
>>5569550 cause we're not AGP . we want live a normal female life.
>>5569542 >you will never have periods That's a downgrade for me, but there are some advantages to being trans. >you can take a selective amount of progesterone, causing perfect boobs >never get saggy from too much progesterone >never hit menopause and get a shitty physique >FFS can make you as pretty as you want to be
>>5569401 >I feel really bad for trannies with genital dysphoria. ;-;
there's nothing more I want to be a mother with a loving family with children I gave birth to. I'll never have anything other than a non-functioning cosmetic vagina. something that cis girls get for free, yet bitch and moan about every time it makes them uncomfortable.
It's not fair, I actually want to be a female and so many of them don't appreciate what they have. I don't even feel like a whole person without it; it feels bad.
>>5570897 There's limited resources, they can go on existing children who are dying, or on new ones being pointlessly made. If you adopt instead of having a child- or even just use the child rearing monies to donate to charity, that's better. I'm not even necessarily talking about Africa or whatever, there are kids needing fostering in every city in the western world. You really think we need to add to the 7+ billion? At the current rate world population doubles every 15 years- that's fucked up. And no, my mum didn't just say it to teach me a lesson, she gives to charity and fostered children.
>>5570979 No? But why let the trash continue to have so many kids? You could just sterilize the people who aren't being responsible or creating good offspring. That way the responsible achievers can still have kids, and the retards can bash their genitals together with dooming offspring to living off handouts.
>>5570987 If by 'you' you mean society/governments then yes, in theory, only people would be in uproar. Still potentially doable but no government believes in that atm. If by 'you' you mean me, no I can't; so I do what I can. Being pissed off that poor people have too many kids doesn't help the problem, and it's not the kids' fault.
>>5571007 Oh, right. Of course. It should never be misconstrued that I assign fault to children where I view their death as ultimately necessary. It is a tragedy of course. However, I look at situations like the one you're describing in a sort of triage context. It's better to prioritize the resources and care to the subjects with the highest chance of survival and productivity and to minimize the pain associated with the destruction of the rest.
>>5571101 Because you're not genetically a woman, therefore, no matter how delusional you're, it's not logical or sane for your brain having the desire of doing something that your body is not biologically designed for. No matter how many hormones you take, no matter how many parts of your body mutilate, it's not normal to desire being a mother.
>>5571123 >le biology is destiny argument Next thing you are probably going to assert that wymyn are preprogrammed to sitting at home 24/7, cooking for the man and raising children after children, shitlord.
>>5571104 I agree that pragmatism is best; I'm not trying to say rich westerners should kill their babies and sell their houses to give to Africans. But how is the creation of new people a prioritisation of resources? it's putting unnecessary additional strain on resources.
>changing their gender because they feel feminine and they want to take more d but actually having the desire of becoming a mother >changing their gender because >they feel feminine Somewhat on the mark >changing their gender because >they want to take more d Not really one of the reasons why at all
The reason trans women change their gender is because they feel they are innately women. Sometimes other people notice it too. So it's only natural that they want to have children.
>>5571167 It's because the primary educator and support system, as well as economic unit, is the family. Even with robust socialized healthcare, public education, and job creation programs the vast majority of society rides on the back of the nuclear family. ( Or the neo-nuclear family if you wanted to include gay/trans but ultimately have the same framework )
You should have children if you're a smart, responsible, worldly person. Not only due to the genetic benefits but because you'd be the primary influence on another person's life and that would increase the chances of raising a productive, thoughtful, beneficial citizen.
>>5571183 I didn't say it did. I said that you can't stop that (well, it can be slowed through many generations of good economic and social policies, but YOU and ME can't fix it rn) so do what you can do and don't procreate. Why contribute to the problem?
>>5571185 All of those things can be offered to an adopted child without adding to global overpopulation. With the exception of genetics, but there are plenty of homeless kids with good smart genes (and dumb ones need love too). Unless you meant the benefit of sharing genetics for a bond? I think all these people being so closed minded about who they can love is hindering human development and is rather uncivilised.
>>5571215 We need to do both! But the latter takes generations and a lot of money, international cooperation, agreed policies etc- all the while children suffer. Neither you nor I is the fucking UN or something, so I repeat: just do what we can do, and don't be part of the problem. Adopt.
>>5571245 Obviously it's one way to distribute resources more evenly. If you were in a povvo country and starving and shit, would you be like 'hopefully in three generations there will be enough economic growth and political change to make my progeny rich and safe' or would you be like 'I need to get out of here now before I or my children die'? In the case of overseas adoption it's clearly taking a child away from an unsafe environment where they're not wanted, to a safe one where they are. That's where we come in.
>tfw my business teacher told an anecdote to the class about when he was younger that he said something like, "Man, forget that! I'm not gonna have kids." >tfw remembered a post on /lgbt/ that was fresh on my mind right after he said that, where an anon said if men who said they didn't want kids were really serious about it, they would get vasectomies >tfw he then said, "And now I 'm a father of two kids." >mfw I'm worried that if I did ever find a husband, that he would leave me once he decided he wanted kids
>>5571214 A lot of important things are inheritable. Maybe I'll adopt kids from somewhere else, but only once I'm assured both those parents are sterilized. If we were going to transplant a generation of immigrants over with mass sterilizations in their home country, then that's something worth looking at.
Instead it's just other people gaining at your expense, offloading their genetic burden onto you. There are literally other animals in the animal kingdom that do this I'm pretty sure. They go in and replace eggs with theirs or something like that. You're helping them do that. That's crazy.
>>5573676 >>5573677 >Blanchard (1991) formally distinguished four different types of autogynephilia in gender dysphoric males, although most of his patients demonstrated more than one type. >The third type was physiologic autogynephilia, which denotes arousal to fantasies such as being pregnant, menstruating, or breastfeeding.
>>5573686 but it doesn't arouse me like i can't personally verify this but im assuming cis women want to be pregnant otherwise everyone would just adopt also every thing with blanchard is automatically a shitpost basically
>>5573686 it's not my fetish. I've always wanted a family and kids with a good dad. I feel like that would be my normal as if I should just be able to naturally do it. then the reality that I was born a male sets in.
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