/arg/ - AR General

You're supposed to link to the old thread faggot

Convince me to not make a side charging piston AR in 6.5 Grendel. No, seriously, do it, because I can't find anything to suggest it's not a great idea.

this thread is shit

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>>33911037

>>33911032

Steaming pile of tripfag shit: >>33908148

>>33911037
Great setup in a great cartridge. Too bad your. Fruitboot ass won't actually do it. Prove me wrong, faggot.

>>33911045
I am being 100% honest, anon. I'm not an AR guy and can't think of any reason it's not a good thing.

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>>33911016
>Geissele btfo

You spelled keymod wrong

>>33910990
>side charging
Don't.
>6.5
Fucking stop
>piston
Bait, huh

>>33910985
Difference is my self worth doesn't rest on what internet people think
>>33911044

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>>33911016
more like keymod BTFO edition

>>33911065
>Side charging not a good idea
Why?
>6.5
Outperforms 5.56 in every metric.
>Piston
How in the fuck is that bait? SFOD-D uses pistons.

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>>33911016
anon will never properly author an arg edition

>>33911065
when's your optic coming?

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>>33911075
Side charging sucks
>ask how I know
>outperforms 556
And?
>SFOD-D uses pistons
So? Piston is garbage
>carrier tilt
>worse recoil
>more moving parts
>fixes a problem that doesn't exist

>>33911087
When will we learn?

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>>33910970
I quit it because I worked from 9-8 for 9 days straight and made less than minimum wage and my company wanted me to wait till the 22nd of may to get my paycheck for work on the 28th of April

>>33911114
>>33911059
It's your own fault though.

>>33911064
6.5G is a cool round for long range shooting but it has the same drawbacks as a 7.62x39 AR(weak bolts, shit mags, etc)

Piston uppers add unneeded complexity, weight, and reduce durability.

Side chargers open the action up to debris and depending on the model can actually have worse ergonomics.

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>>33911104
I'll bite, how do you know? Or did /arg/ just bully you into thinking it's bad?
>Outperforms 5.56
So I'd rather have 6.5 than 5.56.
>Carrier tilt
Isn't that eliminated with BCGs meant for pistons?
>Worse recoile
But runs cleaner
>More moving parts
But runs cooler
>Fixes a problem that doesn't exist
See above
>>33911122
Even a non-recip charging upper? AFAIK the bolts should last about 5k rounds before lugs start getting fucked.

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>>33911122
>Long range
Your thinking of creedmoor

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>>33911110
youll get there

>>33911012
thats how they used to mount slings on the car 15 rifles, that dude used too much paracord tho

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>>33911016

>>33911141
6.5G was designed for long range precision shooting.

>>33911133
>all of the dudes in the comments gay for GT
kek

>>33911139
>Even a non-recip charging upper?
Yes, ask Gecko.

>>33911139
>But runs cleaner
not even true.
>But runs cooler
Doesn't matter for semi auto.

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>>33911152
>not being gay for GT
need i remind you its the current year

>>33911149
Then why is the Mv so low?

>>33911166
Velocity isn't everything.

>>33911161
He looks ever so slightly fetal alcohol syndromey to me
voice of gold though, nice haircut as well

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>>33911139
I had a side charger and it was not better.

>so I'd rather have
Stick to what the rifle is for imo
>runs cleaner
Meme. Ar is fine. "Shits where it eats" is a meme
>runs cooler
You doing hundreds of mag dumps?
I can imagine 6.5 is more pressure and powder than 556 so it's probably hotter anyways. Unless you have a full giggle lower that point is not really applicable

>>33911157
What happened to Gecko?
>>33911160
>Cleaner not true
How is that possible when you're not blasting fouling directly into your bolt carrier? At this point I'm genuinely curious.
>Cooler doesn't matter for semi-auto
I've had to put down Nuggets, SKSs, AKs, and leverguns with even non-semi fire after ~100 rounds.

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>>33911188
>>33911092

>>33911188
Did it just not improve ergos or did it impede function?
I know shits-where-eats is a meme, but it's still gotta be cleaner. I'm not referring to reliability concerns, just cleaning.

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>>33911189

>>33911189
AR's don't heat up the way slavshit does. You can fire 200 rds and hold the rifle just fine, with my AK the handguards are burning after 100 rds.

>>33911209
Now I'm confused. They're shit because some douche doxxed himself or because he had a bad unit, bad concept, or all the above?

>>33911016
That was K-cuck btfod to high havens so whatever.

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>>33911208
I had a lemon so it didn't work.
But regardless the ergos are not better and you lose modularity.

>>33911208
The thing is you're trading durability, reliability, and light weight/balance for a rifle that's marginally easier to clean. It's not worth it.

>>33911230
All of the above. It didn't help that we told him not to do it, he did it, then bitched that it failed and was a piece of shit.

>>33911104
what do you want faggot

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>>33911230
Concept is great, but there's nothing good available yet for side charging.

The T handle is what works and how the rifle is designed so you just wanna stay with it.

>>33911208
And cleaning is easy. Take care of the bore + spray upper with rem shotgun cleaner spray then lube, done.

>>33911246
Plant general manager is offering to personally grade work on the home study course he wants me to take with CSU Sacramento. He's gonna send the book and course stuff to me.

>>33911069
Wow, who would have thought shelving technology wouldn't be the best for a firearm?

>>33911211
Makes sense. At what point can you actually start damaging things, or is that not possible without expending multiple thousands of rounds in quick succession?
>>33911233
>Losing modularity
Welp that's enough reason for me to avoid it.
>>33911239
Only marginally? Fuck it, then. >>33911244
Massive fucking keke
I swear /arg/ is its own board
>>33911253
Alright, that's a fair enough point.
>Cleaning is that easy
I thought you had to scrape things with a special tool and some other tedious shit. If that's all then yeah, there's no fucking point.

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>>33911256

>>33911253
Is it the same class I told you to take?

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>>33911016

>>33911266
who is this handsome young man? he looks like a smart, and kind fellow.

>>33911174
For long range, it sure as fuck helps

>>33911267
>not possible without expending multiple thousands of rounds in quick succession?
this

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>>33911267
You can get a OTIS bone tool for the bch but you don't really need it. Patches and such for the bore, spray upper (and bcg really) then maybe go through wth a q tip if you want. It's ez

Also with the side chargers avaliable like the Gibbz you have to use a special cam pin, which means you can't just swap bcg's or whatever.

I honestly would avoid side charging and piston, caliber isn't honestly a big deal.

>>33911270
Unsure

>>33911266
>le 10 year old fb pic doxx
Oh boy

>>33911267
>I thought you had to scrape things with a special tool and some other tedious shit
No that's what the .mil does because they're retarded.

>>33911313
>Military making me dislike the AR in every possible way that has no reason to actually be a thing
I should have expected this.
If I buy BAD receivers and an ambi handle for A E S T H E T I C S am I a shit person or just shit taste?

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>>33911291
That's Gecko.

>>33911306
I'm going to say it is because I pretty sure they only have 1 entry class. The way it's formatted there really is nothing to grade.

>>33911326
>BAD receivers and an ambi handle
Nothing wrong with that.

Not posting here.

Except for that.

>>33911364
y tho

>>33911364
Belted magnums are for fags.

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>>33911344
Hmmm. He said he will email me Thursday wth more info. He said it can be finished in 30 days

>>33911364
the one you made the other day was just as bad

>>33911364
GI mags are shit. They can't even come close to competing with PMAGs.

>>33911364
we know you're posting as anon
>>33911032
>>33911044

>>33911371
Ya they give you 6 months to complete it but you can do it at your own pace. They send you a book that has 10 chapters. You read a chapter and take a test on it, pass every test and you complete the class.

>>33911364
Bergara a shit

>>33911364
22s are for turbofags

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>>33911385
What cert do you end up with? Just a general operator sort of thing?

>>33911410
kek no. it allows you to take the state test, once you pass that you're an opr8r

>>33911428
*turd handler

>>33911428
Cool thanks

>>33911434
that's racist

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>>33911454
Actually it's wrong. Psi is the turd handler.

>>33911410
This rifle a shit

>>33911469
letsego has those responsibilities these days

>>33911504
he won't stop posting it

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>>33911384
Still not posting.

>>33911508
Did Psi finally find a buyer?

>>33911509
>>33911504
CANT STOP WONT STOP

SIG MASTER RACE AESTHETICS

>>33911527
Sigs are ugly garbage though.

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>>33911527
>aesthetics
o-okay

>>33911557
All that needs is the virgin Mary and some flowers.

>>33911269
>>33911256
>>33911069
Why the fuck are you all so autistic about keymod? It does the same fucking thing as its competitor.

>>33911598
>It does the same fucking thing as its competitor.
someone post the study, this fag doesn't know!

>>33911504

Why? I thought sig was decent

>>33911598
thats kind of the point, its been shown to be inferior

>>33911598
>he doesn't know

So if pistons are so shit, why does .mil have such a boner for them? Are they pants on head from the top down?

Taurus makes ARs now.

http://soldiersystems.net/2017/05/08/taurus-usa-introduces-t4sa-rifle/

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>>33911632
>Are they pants on head from the top down?
When it comes to cleaning yeah.

>>33911611
>>33911613
>>33911605
Yeah I normally don't come into these threads because they are garbage but I always see the keymod thing. Doesn't make much sense to me because everything I have researched about it tells me it is personal preference.

>>33911632
because they look good on paper

>>33911648
SOCOM tested both systems and found that keymod is trash.

http://soldiersystems.net/2017/05/05/details-on-the-ussocom-sponsored-keymod-vs-m-lok-test-conducted-at-nswc-crane/

>>33911648
>everything I have researched about it tells me it is personal preference.
you should research some more kiddo

>>33911648
>>33896921
Have a look at the slides posted at the start of this thread. Mlok has been proved functionally superior through in depth testing.

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>>33911648
>>33911656

>>33911598
>doesnt look very good
>was shilled relentlessly when it was released
>muh open source
>ends up being objectively worse than mlok in multiple measurable ways
>keymod owners respond with a buttmad fury of shilling and moving goal posts
everything about it is shit

>>33911632
because they justify budgets with expensive piston HK's. i dont really see the long term advantage of a piston AR. theyre heavier, tend to be less accurate and more complicated. not to mention carrier tilt often wears out receiver extensions reasonably fast.

>>33911648
this study was just released about how km just didnt perform as well as mlok >>33911656
it performed poorly in comparison. even bcm is making mlok rails now (ops pic), something they stated they would never do. the writings on the wall, bluray wins

>>33911548
WRONG

>>33911557
Okay

>>33911598
http://soldiersystems.net/2017/05/05/details-on-the-ussocom-sponsored-keymod-vs-m-lok-test-conducted-at-nswc-crane/

>>33911686
>WRONG
Post your Sigs.

>>33911696
post benis

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>>33911696
hes not going to have a rational discussion with you

or even a half assed argument, its just going to be spam like 90% of the posts he makes

>>33911660
Anyone who uses "kiddo" unironically is a fucking faggot.

>>33911667
>>33911666
Wow, crazy stuff. Didn't think it would be that drastic of a difference. Thanks for the info though.

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>>33911696

>>33911714
looks like a mannequin
>>33911712
yep, makes sense though, it is not a robust shape. There is not enough material between each keymod hole? slot? you know.

>>33911709
I know that, I'm just having some fun.

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>>33911696
I..I don't have any ;_;

>>33911709
t. Guy voted worst banter in arg

>>33911712
anyone who gets upset being called kiddo or thinks keymod is anything less than dick shaped trash is a fucking faggot

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thanks for the (you)

>>33911712
anyone who uses the term "faggot" is a shitlord. it's 2017 stop using hate speech. seriously shaking right now.

make gecko memes with this pic

>>33911746
You motherfucker I was gonna post that.

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>>33911753
o shid sry

>>33911758
rip CG

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>>33911765
He will be missed.

>>33911758
Shop the hair on this pic

>>33911737
>I..I don't have any
Hmmm, makes you think.

>>33911758
>Psi is moe
Fitting.

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>>33911780
9E+10 hours in MS paint

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Do NOT bully me, internet people who's opinions do not matter

>>33911813
nice

>>33911730
Yeah makes sense now.

>>33911738
How insecure are you that you can't look at keymod without the thought of dicks clouding your mind? Do you eat hotdogs sideways because penis is such a worry for you?

>>33911823
>keymod looks like dicks
>WOW DO YOU THINK HOTDOGS ARE DICKS TOO
>SUCKING DICKS
telling.

>>33911823
>Do you eat hotdogs sideways because penis is such a worry for you?
Do you not?!?!?!?

>>33911833
>doesn't know what a dick looks like

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>butthurt keymod babby shows up
>starts going on about dicks
average keymod user

>>33911850
>Asks why keymod isn't good
>"Oh bro because it has little dicks all over and it's trash!"
Lol at least a few in here weren't autistic enough to throw a fit over nothing.

Does anyone know if the army decided to free float all of their m4's with mlok handguard upgrades? I thought I read about the mlok being chosen but don't know what it's for. Do regular infantry m4's even need to be free floated???

>>33911875
ignore all the dick jokes then. its an inferior mounting system that will be obsolete within the next five years. they only people left defending it have some kind of financial stake in the matter.
fuck them all anyway, quad rails fo lyfe

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>>33911814

>>33911875
>keeps feeding you's to whoever brings up his obsession with dicks
its ok to be gay

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>>33911894
All this sig makes me jelly in the pants

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>>33911889
SOCOM is looking to get a new mid length MLOK upper for their M4s.

The service wide M4 replacement is years away, but the Army Marksmanship Unit has been testing a new free floated MLOK rifle. pic related

>>33911924
Oh shit that's actually keymod.

>>33911924
MLOK BTFO

>>33911894
H-hi anon

>>33911666
>in depth testing

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>>33911957
cucked again

>>33911598
>Why the fuck are you all so autistic about keymod?

They own gucci M-LOK handguards and have to defend their purchases.

>>33911924
.264 USA is expected to be the next caliber. It's longer than 5.56 so it will be a new rifle. not an upgrade.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/08/31/modern-intermediate-calibers-021-us-army-marksmanship-units-264-usa/


Also
>beltfed MGs that fire .338 Lapua
http://soldiersystems.net/2017/04/04/jim-schatz-a-path-to-overmatch-next-generation-individual-weapon-system/

>>33912004
butthurt keymod owner detected

really coming out of the woodwork today

http://soldiersystems.net/2017/05/05/details-on-the-ussocom-sponsored-keymod-vs-m-lok-test-conducted-at-nswc-crane/

http://soldiersystems.net/2017/05/05/details-on-the-ussocom-sponsored-keymod-vs-m-lok-test-conducted-at-nswc-crane/


>cunts still arguing for keymod

Aesthetics are irrelevant

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>going with 14.5" midlength when you're stuck shooting 5.56 with a suppressor to give it the same reliability as a 14.5" carbine
>Being OK with cold weather and carbon fouling causing your rifle to malfunction

Why?

>>33911957
Sig 226 Legion
Sig 938
Sig 220 Equinox
Sig 320 Carry
Sig 320

Do you like them?

>>33912020
>Aesthetics are irrelevant
Your rifle has certainly proven that.

>>33912022
theyre still testing

>>33911889
No not really here's the thing, the Army is the complete opposite to /k/, the most expensive option is not the best option. A free float rail would mean more armorer work and if they get damaged it would be impossible to fix/replace in the field. Accuracy doesn't really suffer and rails work.
>tl:dr performance dosent justify cost.

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>>33912022
>>Being OK with cold weather and carbon fouling causing your rifle to malfunction
substantiate your claims

>>33912045
>40

>>33912026
Legion is goat

>>33912041
Good one

>>33912044
your wrong kiddo

>>33912013
The irony is deafening.

>>33911037
Wolf 6.5 costs the same as 7.62x39, no reason not too, it's one of the most capable AR profile cartridges.

>>33912054
>undergassing isn't a thing

14.5" midlength are fine for dedicated 5.56 use and suppressors. Anything else is shit

>>33912043
See above. SOCOM's useage makes sense to switch, but it's pretty bad for the majority of shooters

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>>33912060
>Legion is goat
blocks your path

>>33912060
I'm waiting for the 220 Legion to come out.

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>>33911016
On my way to making my first AR, upper should be here in 2 weeks

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>>33912078
>mid-length
>under-gassed
You have not provided proofs.

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>>33912082
>implying I'd shoot my legion

>>33912089
Better dump pics. I want pic related desu

>>33912095
A2 or A4?

>>33912020
>keymod and mlok functional equally well except in two tests where MI's poorly designed keymod rail segment gives mlok an advantage

Thanks for the clarification.

>>33912078
im not going to pretend i know better than an agency that has millions at their disposal to make an objective and empirical assessment of the advantages/disadvantages between the two

some interesting data here:

http://ar15barrels.com/prod/operation.shtml

14.5" carbine - 25,366

14.5" mid length - 22,169

16" carbine - 24,453

16" mid length - 21,256

18" rifle - 16,804

20" rifle - 16,062

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>>33912104
>M-MI a shit

>>33911656
What sort of amazes me if that wasn't M-lok kind of a rushed standard? I remember Magpul came up with it right after keymod came out.

>>33912101
Just a combination of parts, im in NJ so have to have fixed stock, and those mags are cucked 15 rounders

>>33912116
>>33912078
of course dwell time and cycle rate is to be considered as well

>>33912117
Yes.

>>33912119
It's not like MLOK is some revolutionary design breakthrough. It's just a rectangle cut into aluminum.

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Someone entertain me

>>33912097
>>33912054
>"These 14.5" mid length gas barreled upper receiver groups have been specifically tuned to be a very soft and fast shooting set up. They are a joy to shoot, but please feed it good ammo. With good milspec pressured ammo we have been running H buffers. We do not recommend using lower powered ammo. If using less than milspec pressured ammo, it may be best to run a standard carbine buffer."

https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-14-5-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-14.htm

Literally every manufacturer has some kind of warning like this with their 14.5 midlength rifles

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>>33912104
Hm.

>>33912119
The only 'amazing' thing is Magpul's marketing strength.

>>33912131
not only that, but the original MOE stuff was basically mlok anyway. they just standardized the opening and made a new backing plate

>>33912139
You could solve your problems by digging that hatchet into your head.

Also, why from the trip? Are you banned? Or are you slowly losing working IPs from your shitposting?

>>33912104
>>33912128
not only did the mounts fail but the rails broke as well

they used multiple manufacturers and tested their mlok v. keymod side by side, mlok still performed better

>>33912144
That has nothing to do with decreased reliability with military use. BCM specifically sizes their gas ports for 5.56 spec ammo. Most manufacturers have a larger gas port.

>>33912061
>"heh you're wrong kiddo."
Dosent post rebuttal.
You have to be 18 to post here.

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>>33912161
B-b-but that's the manufacturers fault!!1!

>>33912147
>unable to understand the criticism, he can only repeat himself

Neat.

>>33912164
>mil wont use 5.56 spec ammo
??

>>33912188
>Fractured Keymod ™
i read that as one nam, kek

>>33912181
They planned to do it with the M4A1+ program but instead decided to just adopt a new rifle in a larger caliber. The new service rifle will be free floated see>>33911924 and>>33912010

>>33912191
Yes but mil rifles aren't autisticly tuned the way BCM rifles.

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>>33912189
>>keymod and mlok functional equally well except in two tests where MI's poorly designed keymod rail segment gives mlok an advantage

>keymod and mlok functional equally

>functional equally

>equally

>>33912202
Kek

>>33912211
are*

>>33912164
>anon says in >>33912022 that 14.5 midlength would only be reliable in specific military circumstances
>posts evidence that manufactures admit there's reliability issues unless using milspec 5.56
>"That has nothing to do with decreased reliability with military use"

No shit, anon. There's no truly standardized gas port size amongst manufacturers for 14.5" midlength rifles so that adds to the reliability issues. What are you even trying to say?

>>33911037
Why side charger tho?

What piston sustem are you using? Superlative?

>>33912223
I'm saying the military isn't going to use BCM rifles with undersized gas ports

So, what's the next attachment system after keymod/mlok/quadrail?

>>33912243
neodymium magnets

>>33912241
Gas port size doesn't matter when you have hot loaded ammo and suppressors adding extra back pressure to aid in cycling, which is what SOCOM would use. Unless you are using these both exclusively then you can and will have reliability problems with under powered ammo like .223, cold weather, and a dirty gun (which a carbine gas system can power through)

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>drop a keymod rail
>it fucking breaks

>>33912268
They don't use suppressor 24/7

>>33912270
>MI mounts are shit
>the same shit mounts can break glorious keymod rail folded over 9000 times

>>33912243
Hose clamps and zip ties

>>33912212
>if I only respond to half of what I quote I won't look like a retard

I guess you really don't understand the criticism, even though it it obvious by looking at the design of the MI rail segments.

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>>33912270
>drop an mlok rail
>it scratches some and the attachment moves backwards a bit

Obviously the manufacturer screwed up on the keymod rails, it's not like mlok is just better

>>33912243
really small quad rails. takes up 1/3 of the space of regular quad rail and can still attach older pic accessories.

>>33912268
Nigger do you just not understand that they would use a properly sized gas port?

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"Granted, the sample size of this testing is limited. However, for SOCOM, the conclusions were clear enough to choose a path forward. This test concludes that M-LOK is a more robust and more stable system. In addition to repeatedly maintaining point of aim for mounted accessories during normal mounting and remounting, it also better maintained rail intagrity in spite of impacts. On the other hand, testing shows that KeyMod suffered significant POA shifts during both repeated mounting and remounting as well as after impacts. Additionally, while both systems noted cracking under impact, some KeyMod rail samples lost integrity with fracturing beteeen slots."

Obviously just bad accessory mounts guys.

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>>33912022
>he still believes the midlength undergassed mythology.

It's almost like the gasport size matters more than barrel length or something.

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M4A2 will be mid length.

>>33912345
>crane currently conducting midlength vs carbine data
>crane finds 14.5 carbine superior to 14.5 midlength
>arg suicide

>>33912359
>about to install 14.5" midlength
>stuck waiting till the results are released

Fug

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>>33912304
>freeware keymod mounts not made to exacting standards because muh free market, fails across the board in grossly different ways
>licensed mlok mounts are made to exact specifications, resulting in near exact results between manufacturers and performs excellent

Wow what a surprise.

>>33912359
They already know they want mid-length they just can't adopt it until they have data.

Mid length has been a reliable system for years now.

>>33912304
Where did you get that verbiage from?

>>33912304
>triggered so hard that all you can do is spam pages of the 'test' without addressing why the MI rail segments caused the results

>>33912385
The best news site on the web.

http://soldiersystems.net/

>>33912379
reliable in the civilian safe queen world, we'll see what crane says

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>>33911598
I'm keymod, destroyer of rail slots, and even I know this is wrong.

>>33912377
if that were the case, youd think atleast one brand would perform well, but no, theyre all shitty.

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>Trump fires Comey
>new director puts hillary in prison
Respect

Any reason I shouldn't just buy an ambi lower with a safety and mag release over a $700-800 MARS/KAC lower? Probably just gonna throw pre-built upper on it anyway.

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>>33912377
So keymod still sucks, capitalism wins again

Wgws btfo again

>>33912419
once you account for the trigger, stock and qd endplate/castle nut combo the kac lower is only about $200

>>33912377
>fails across the board in grossly different ways
>accessory from a single manufacturer

Interesting logic.

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>>33912419
If you buy the MARs, make sure the RH bolt catch won't interfere with your uppers brass deflector or forward assist. I was originally going to get a MARS or LWRC lower, but ended up having to go with KAC because of how thicc the MUR is.

>>33912401
You remember when everybody said that 10.5" carbine barrels were unreliable garbage? And then Crane tested it, standardized the gas port, and found it to be dead nuts reliable?

This is a similar situation, except mid-length has already been perfected by the commercial market(notable exception being Beta Cuck Manufacturing). You carbine shills are about to get BTFO.

>>33912445
>multiple manufacturer's keymod rails broke, mlok ones didnt
>the accessory was the same manufacturer throughout testing

>>33912300
And how much would you widen it? Tell me about this standardized system that totally isn't manufacturers taking shots in the dark at how to turn a safe-queen gas system into something useable outside a range

>>33912416
Holy shit it's real. But this was expected.

>>33912464
Scientific method you fucking nigger.

>>33912457
>carbine 14.5 shoots as soft as 16" mid
>btfo
nah

>>33912416
>Hillary in prison

Gotta get Comey there first before the Clinton curse catches up to him.

>>33912423
Crazy how that works huh.

>>33912445
Did you just glance at the testing or did you read it thoroughly to understanding?

I think you missed a page or two.

>>33912473
That's fucking wrong tho.

>>33912475
its MI fault, keymod dindu nuffin

>>33912468
Or you could go with a carbine gas system and have no issues instead of trying to fix a gas system that's meant for longer barrels

>>33912480
substantiate your claims

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>>33912460
>failure caused by the poor design of a single manufacturer's accessory

So as an example, what differences do you see between the MI rail segment and this Seekin Precision segment that might have an effect on a drop test.

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>>33912484
Keymod just tryna get his life togethrr, goin back to church and school and sheeeiiiiitttt.

>>33912507
the mlok rails still proved to be more durable and offered more reliable return to zero across the board in every way they were tested. you really should read the report

I'm getting autism at this. Keymod is dicks. I'd rather have a MLOK mount break rather than a Keymod Rail break. Magpul actually put engineering work into this stuff.

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>>33912507
Huh, it's like mlok already accommodates for that and does not require one specific manufacturer to produce a quality mount.

Fasinating.

>>33912501
Psi already posted the gas port pressures for all the different gas system lengths. >>33912116


A lower pressure at the gas port translates into a less violent action.

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>>33912475
Will wgws ever recover??

>>33912519
Mlok just racist

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>>33912535
say that to my face and not online

>>33912545
to be fair that source doesnt list gas port size of the barrels tested

dont drag me into this

>>33912528
I read the report, that is why I see the flawed testing.

Can you answer the question about the design of MI's rail segment compared to other manufacturers?

>>33912539
>it's like mlok already accommodates for that

You mean Magpul dictates the design of accessories.

>>33912549
Only if you blow me. But then again, what do I know about stress limits, engineering is only my major.

>>33912564
It's freeware, the TDP is open to interpretation so there is only a minimum standard to follow, which MI did.

You cannot do that with Mlok, the licensing protects the interest of those producing and using mlok so you don't have to seek out specialized overbuilt attachments to get %100 of the system working.

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>>33912587
See >>33912597

If you have an issue with a product being kept to strict tolerances and specifications, then keep on buying that keymod.

Just don't drop it.

What's the best brand of AR to start with?

>>33912634
Windham Weaponry

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>>33912564
so you're saying that the mount alone caused the rail to break, mlok to achieve up to 220% increase in sustained load, superior return to zero, that the design of keymod itself placed 0 role in its failure and that keymod is in fact superior?

>>33912546
>Will wgws ever recover??
He admitted in person that Mlok was superior, his issue with it, as well as A2's, is an ethical one.

>>33911016
How bad has Keymod been BTFO?

>>33912655
Communists have no business making arguments from ethical standpoints.

>>33911184
IF HE DOESNT MAKE YOUR BOIPUCCI MOIST YOU NEED TO GET YOUR SHIT RIGHT

>>33912695
A2 is authoritarian right and wgws is libertarian right

Neither are communists
Saying intellectual property doesn't have the same rights as actual property is different from saying your property belongs to the state

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>>33912716

>>33912737
ITS NOT GAY IF ITS GT.

stupid dreamy, sexy, flannel motherfucker.

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>>33912724
wgws is "im 12 and what is politics" and a2 is a statist shitlord

im fairly certain wgws read one blog article about libertarians and wants to be one but every time he talks about the free market he sounds like a goddamn commie or at the least an ancom

Jew Schumer is so ass blasted right now.

>>33912655
Fair enough I guess

But intellectual property belongs to the intellectual, not everyone else

>>33912923
A surprisingly lucid conclusion, lizzy

>>33912937
Thx

>>33912965
>bipod still past muzzle

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Oh shit
I got a brake on my brake
Thats right
I can reduce recoil while reducing recoil.

>>33912989
its a feature

>>33913001
REEEEEE

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>>33911016
I bet that BCM MMR is going to look good. Maybe I should hold off until it comes out?

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>>33913017
If it makes you feel any better the next rifle im building will have to wait like six months for the SBR paperwork to come back before I can get a light further out than the muzzle.

That and I might get a 20" creedmoor barrel for the MWS, but ill totally make sure to take pictures with the 16" .308 on it to trigger you.

>>33913054
its going to look essentially like a URX4. im interested to see how light they make the PMR

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>>33913072
Do it. Light past muzzle is GOAT.

What did I miss? Why are Geissele and Daniel Defense BTFO'd?

>>33913110
UTG pro is that amazing

>>33913110
they arent. anon thinks they will be when bcm releases their mlok rail

>>33912678
On a scale of 1 to 10 key mod is at at a solid never recover status

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>>33912757
>Read one blog article about libertarians
Yeah, no.
Huemer, Michael. Ethical intuitionism. Basingstoke: Palgrave Macmillan, 2008. Print.
Rothbard, Murray N., and Llewellyn H. Jr. Rockwell. For a new liberty: The Libertarian Manifesto. Auburn, Alabama: Ludwig von Mises Inst., 2006. Print.

>>33913001
I want to build an AR10.

Okay guys. What is the best binary trigger out there, and what companies make FA marked lowers?

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>>33913095
Well its going to be an FAL
in .358 Winchester
with like a 12" bbl when im done with the stamp
and im going to put an ACOG on it

But the barrel is a shilen, the upper is made by LMT (and based Type 2), and I might go full retard and put a match trigger in it.

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>>33913162
and yet you still sound like a commie

>>33913162
>best
you cant use fostech, needs special bolt carrier
You might be able to use franklin armory, youll need to get a stiff as fuck spring.

>>33913175
See:
>>33912724
>Saying intellectual property doesn't have the same rights as actual property is different from saying your property belongs to the state

Weird that you think I'm a communist when I most closely aspire to be a Jeffersonian yeoman farmer agrarian libertarian.

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>>33913197
If I steal you gun, I am denying you of your ability to use it.

If I download your gun, I am not denying you of any use of your gun.

Czechmate athiests!

>>33913222
How do you download my gun?
How can we define ownership any other way than the inability for the possession of some object to transfer except in the case of consent by the original owner or by the utilization of force by some other party? Anything else can't really be considered to be owned in a strict sense of property since it can be possessed and dispossessed with or without the consent of some 1st party and yet without the application of force of some 3rd party.

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>>33913197
I have scientific proof that you have mental problems. Do I need to post it?

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>>33913197
>denying me the product of my work, for example money, my property, my home is theft and a violation of my natural rights
>my ideas which are a product of my intellect, money, and time are not property and belong to all people

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>>33913082
Yeah, the weight is the main reason I'd even want it.

What's the PMR?

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>>33913162
nobody cares

>>>/pol/

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>>33913250
If you have a block of marble, on your driveway. if I come over and carve a statue out of it, do I suddenly own the "intellectual property" of the statue?

Pic to keep it /k/ related

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looking to build a new upper for varment, cyote, good distance and acuracy.

looking at daniel defence 18'

though im still up in the air over 16" 18" or 20" lengths. any other manufacures to look into. the barrel i want to stay around 200 dollar range though

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>>33913286
>denying me the product of my work
Sounds like positive rights bullshit. You're not entitled to anything except the upholding of contractual agreements you enter into, and the respect for your natural negative rights from NAP violation.
If I actually steal the object of your labor, then yes I've violated your rights. If I undercut your business by selling the same product that I myself have made, I've not stolen anything. If you write a secret recipe on a piece of paper, and I steal the piece of paper and copy the recipe, the moral transgression is the stealing of the paper, not the stealing of the recipe. Make sense skelly?

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>>33913162
>mfw all of our guns just strewn about

>it's another "lol stealing IP is different than stealing physical property even tho both deprive you of monetary gain" episode
GG

What's a good bolt carrier group? What memes should I look for?

>>33913311
That wouldn't be intellectual property, that's vandalism.

>>33913353
Precisely
You can have rights to property
Intellectual property is bullshit

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>>33913295
oh theyre calling it the BCM QRF not PMR

the pic rail theyre gonna make in the OP

>>33913332
so when you design the next new multi million dollar invention i can copy it exactly, right?

instead of guarding intellectual property which stimulates more innovation, more improvement, everything thats not physical property is automatically free.
>resorting to personal attacks to substantiate your weak political doctrine

very low energy

>>33913357
Wrong. That statue may not be yours, but it's design is.

>>33913376
The marble doesn't become yours once carved though

>>33913359
>the pic rail theyre gonna make in the OP

Hard for me to get excited about a pic rail that's not DD or KAC

>>33913387
thats why i mentioned weight. if they can manage a 13" quad rail that weighs under 13 ounces and is priced under $200 that would be worth buying

>>33913382
No shit.

it seems to me like bcm is making a quad rail partially to cover up for the fact that theyre making an mlok rail.
>see? we're just diversifying is all
dd, kac, and centurion all make great quad rails.

>>33913352

Price low to high:
PSA premium
BCM
Cryptic

>>33913399
Yeah I suppose you're right. Regardless I'm eager to see it

>>33913420
Yeah; seems like that is a real possibility

>>33911016
Why is /arg/ so dead? Usually pretty hoppin at this time

Anything CNCed from fucking billet (which is cheap BTW) has no excuse for poor quality. If it doesn't fit well an operator fucked up setting up his milling center, the CNC and/or the tooling was worn, or some other personal error combined with shit inspection and QA.

>>33913545
It'll pick up in the new thread.

>>33913545
everyone is worn out from bashing keymod and arguing about intellectual property

>>33912010
>belt fed 338 lapua.....

Just why?

>>33913585
Because overmatch.

>>33913585
to replace .50 I imagine

>>33913585
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNB7khjOSXc

>>33913591
No it's meant to replace the M240>>33913595

>>33913599
That makes more sense

dead

/thread

>>33913668
>>33913668

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>>33911174
>>33911166
Trajectory Fampies

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>>33913359
>Intellectual property which stimulates more innovation
This is the premise that I don't hold to be necessarily true. Imagine the case where intellectual property law did not afford monopolies on designs and inventions; companies would have to keep innovating new and better products to stay profitable, as their "old" products would "age" faster in that copies and cheaper derivatives would pop up sooner. If anything it seems to me that innovation and development would be increased.

>>33913571
Lel.

So Fostech echo is the best binary trigger?
Any non cringe worthy FA marked lowers? I detest the Spikes lowers.

>>33912010
It's gonna suck when government orders no longer keep 5.56 production supported.