Buy a safe they said.

>>28905708
What was in there, the hope diamond?

is there a slang name for a person who specializes in breaking into safes btw?

>>28905727
A nigger?

That had to be the work of someone you knew or someone they knew. What kind of B&E team bring an acetylene torch to every job to break into safes that may just contain fudd rifles.

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>>28905727
why you want to know, cracker?

>>28905727

Really? Safecracker. The term is a safecracker.

>>28905736
>>28905727
They're generally white so they're
SafeCrackers

This is precisely why I keep all my cheap shit in the safe, and all of my cash and expensive guns under my mattress.

>>28905718
I'd hope not

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>>28905736
Top fucking kek

>>28905708
What was the safe rating? 45minutes?

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>>28905708
>solo cup in the safe

>>28905708
OH SHIT NIGGER!! I THINK I HAVE THE SAME SAFE!! JUST FUCK MY SHIT!!

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>>28905727
A safecracker.
Looks like someone didn't OpSec. That's why people shouldn't know what you own, or where you store it.

>>28905772
as clever as that is, if anyone knows about it all they need is a sawzall.

>>28905708

Dont know if that picture belongs to OP BUUUUT

1) Dont talk to people who aren't trustworthy about your guns or gun collection. Keep that shit on the D/L. Guns are expensive, and while KNOWING a person has an arsenal is a massive deterrant to trying to HARM that individual all a person needs to do is wait for you to leave your house and then they know they have a payday.

2) make sure the rest of your house isn't protected by Kwikset tier garbage locks. Get good locks and reinforced door jambs.

3) get a security system. You dont need ADT or some other scam company charging you out the nose for their monitoring anymore. An audible alarm alone will make a robber more likely to run or not tale the time to literally cut through a safe and there are a host of DIY security systems that can send an alert to your cell phone that someone has entered your home.

A shit safe in the middle of your Mogadishu tier shit apartment wont stop Jamal if you have been telling anyone who will listen about your new 3000 dollar 7mm gun with Zeiss glass.

>>28905708
>browning safe.

Haha, might have taken them 20 minutes to get in.

>>28905772
>Looks like someone didn't OpSec
A new manager at work, on his first day introduced himself to the shift. "I like to hike, fish, hunt, and shot, I love shooting. Got quite the big collection and I love sniper rifles." Or something like that. I'd say a third of the people working there are excons or undesirables from the bad parts of town working this lowpaying warehouse gig.

Dude's from SC so it wouldn't surprise me if he thought it was normal. My bet is him got robbed withing the month.

That's why you don't buy a $1200 browing safe and expect it to be burglar resistant. Id love to know the tool rating for that safe. Probably only rsc.

Why do people buy safes for their guns
how much money do you spend on guns in the first place?

Just hiding shit behind a false wall would be better than a safe.

>>28905708
so if you got robbed what are those rifles doing in the corner?

>>28905895
Plot twist, OP is the safe cracker.

>>28905708
do you live in an unfinished house? or did the niggers steal your carpet and siding too?

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>>28905902

>>28905742
Not OP but that bad feel when your garage is filled with welding equipment including an oxy/acetylene torch which could be one day turned against your safe.

>>28905748
underrated comment

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>>28905708
>didn't buy a Fort Knox

>>28905917
My safe isn't in my garage. I also started using natural gas, so they can have fun trying to get that torch lit lol

Shit tier browning gun locker. Looks at that door, super thin metal (12g at best) sandwiching some insulation.

Probably not a pro job as the door is the toughest part, sidewalls are probably just a single layer of thin metal that can be cut near silently with a big pair of snips.

>>28905708
Fire safe
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>>28905864
I own 39 firearms. Where else am I going to keep them?

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>>28905838
it could be worst, he could have gotten a stackon

>>28905902
> the moment you crack the safe you forgot the combination to, you become a safe cracker

>>28905747

But the guys breaking in are niggers. They can't be safecrackers.

>>28905746
Damnit, M14 you fucking bitch.

>living in a place where a gun safe is necessary

This is the first mistake. Move out to the proper country area of your state, where the people are cornfed, not meth heads.

>>28905708
Reminder: The best safe is the one the perp's cant actually find.

After we redid our kitchen I had fit a medium sized gun locker in the empty space where my old fridge was recessed into the wall. It is obscured by a wine rack, which slides out for gun access.

Also remember Opsec. Loose lips get guns stolen. People know you have guns and you might as well have told them you have a vault of solid gold bricks.

And when you post pictures online on various forums, most cameras and phones encode GPS location/geotags.

Also. If you own guns. INVEST IN A FUCKING HOME SECURITY SYSTEM.

Something that will alert you AND the police when you are not home and a window or door is broken into.

Another great security system is a Dog. A large or medium sized dog. I have four Dutch shephards and they hold the fort when I am not home.

Also, keep the obligatory handgun under your pillow/in the nightstand, with a pistol light. Because when people come in your home to take your guns, they will be armed themselves. Guns are a hot item and worth killing over.

>>28905997
> That moment when you become what you've feared the most.

>>28906036
What? I lived in both rural places and metro areas only place my house was ever broken into was in the country. There's a ton of crime in the country because they know police will take 45 minutes to respond and they're more likely to go break into houses because a country house is more likely to have a gun than a city house. that's my take anyways

>>28906088
not to mention country homes might not have a neightbor 10 yards away to hear glass breaking/doors being kicked in

>>28906074
> a blithering idiot for not remembering the combination to your safe.

>>28905708
your daily reminder that a safe is there to make your possessions LOOK secure or at best hold up the thieves for a few minutes, max. a person with a few tools and enough time can break into anything you can bring into your house..

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The damage was done by a Flex not by an Acetelentorch. The white ressidue is metal dust. And it seems the door is hollow. A good safe has concrete in it or special fibers that entangle rotor blades. Against torches and thermolances a thin aluminium sheet is embeded into the door. If the flame touches the alu , it willvaporize and kill the torch operator. So this is a shit safe and i would have cut the hinges of the door. Easiest way....source: been there , done that.

>>28906096
>2016
>forgetting your biometric lock combination

>>28906088
>What? I lived in both rural places and metro areas only place my house was ever broken into was in the country.

That's why I said 'proper', my man. I don't want to hear about how you lived out in the sticks with trailer trash meth heads and they broke into your house.

Also, if the neighbors aren't close enough, then you just set up the tripwire shotguns and bury the bodies when you get home from work.

>>28906036
hate to clue you in on this nigger but the hills are alive with meth heads. I do a lot of back country camping and /out/ stuff. Park anywhere along the Appalachian Trail for more than a night and your car will probably broken into.

I own a cabin in remote Northern Michigan. I
I don't even lock the cabin anymore because I'm sick of replacing busted doors and windows. The American economy has turned rural America into a Slav existence.
But keep complaining about Mexicans and niggers so you don't have to face the truth.

>>28906065
>Something that will alert you AND the police when you are not home and a window or door is broken into.
Because you want to give the cops a free search warrant for your home. This also assumes you dont have a dog that would constantly set it off, and get shot when the cops show up.

>>28906101
This.
/thread

>>28906211
My system only alerts me and then asks if I need 911 called.

My dogs dont set it off because the alarms are on doors and windows. Dogs stay inside during day.

>>28905767
>>solo cup in the safe
Poker money

>>28906101
aluminum vaporizes and kills you if you try to cut it with oxy-acet?

wtf

>>28906101
That's an awfully jagged cut for a rotor blade.

>>28905746
CARLOS!!!!!! Build wall for these memes

>>28905736
This is more accurate

>>28906120
Yeah you seriously sound like someone who has never lived in a rural county you probably live 5 minutes outside the city. Your little idea of a nice country place with nice friendly rednecks and no crime is a total fallacy.

>>28905708
I was going to give that picture shit for using a Browning branded safe, but judging by how they got into it, I doubt many home safes, if any, would have been able to stop them

There's not more than 3 degree of separation between the safe owner and the thieves. Someone with metal fabricating experience that has a friend that has been a guest in that house.

>>28906120
>I don't want to hear about how you lived out in the sticks with trailer trash meth heads and they broke into your house.
This mega race baiting socialist white guilt riddled fucktard calling anyone white trash...TOPPEST OF KEKS. Go back to /pol/ and start another muh blasck chicks with huge asses pic dump pencil neck.

>>28905998
And niggers aren't safe, so you can't call them safe niggers....

>>28906297
Some local kids broke in when I was 5 or so, stole grandpa's WW2 bringback Jap sword and some silver coins.

Got 'em all back.

Beer thief stole some beer out of garage fridge not too long ago.

As far as not getting robbed or being the victim of a crime goes, yeah southern Indiana/Illinois has it's merits.

>>28906273
If you use a thermal lance it super heats the AL and turns it into a mist of aluminium droplets that are around 2000F when the jet spurts back out the hole. If the jet misses the operator he is basically inhales red hot particles which is kinda a bad time.
A respirator or mask won't help since the particles will melt the filter fibers and burrow right through in a few breaths. This is why thermal lance operators try to be a good 15+ feet away and have a closed loop respirator or positive air supply when working indoors.

>>28905949
she got PUGGED

>>28906330
>race baiting socialist white guilt riddled fucktard

That's not even close to being an accurate description. No race baiting, not a socialist, and don't have white guilt.

>>28906297

I'm more than a 45 minutes from any decently sized ""cities"". There's no crime here.

The people here are on heroin and not meth, though.. so they typically just drop dead when they overdo it, rather than breaking into houses for meth money.

>>28906036
fuckin meth hit the rural areas way harder, here. nothing else to do but cook meth and shoot at road signs

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>>28906273
>wtf
Dont know about the vaporizes part, but the gas from it is poisonous and was a plot point in the movie The Pentagon Wars about the Bradley IFV. With that said, god only knows how accurate a comedy movie is when it comes to armor.

>>28906406
Dont listen to this retard. For one, no one is using a thermal lance in a home, it would have set the house on fire. Secondly, even if they did, they'd have a SCBA system; and this asshole doesn't even know what they're called.

>>28905708
>OP forgets his combination, the thread.

>>28905736
... petty criminals tend to steal safes only to end up dumping them, unopened, somewhere else.

>>28906437
>The people here are on heroin and not meth, though
They must be on the free heroin and meth program. News flash shithead. Where there is an illegal drug trade there is ancillary crime. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

>>28906437
You are the epitome of a pencil necked needle dicked self loathing white guilt leftest We know each other IRL triptrash and everyone wishes you just went away.

>>28906511
>We know each other IRL triptrash

Do we, though?

> self loathing white guilt leftest

Lmao, no.

>>28905949
What a dumb bitch. I hope she accidentally hangs herself hanging christmas lights or something

>>28906437
>There's no crime here
maybe that's what you think faggot. lots of crime rates are proportionally higher in rural areas (like rape) plus crime are less likely to be reported. but whatever I live in the south so yes there is more meth and crime here. congrats on living in a shining beacon of hope

>>28906519
How about I stop by your place in a couple hours tough guy, you and me have a cold beer and talk about life.

>>28906523
agreed
every time i see that gjf i want to punch that cunt in the labia and i'm not even a dog person

>>28906537

I'd say sure, but I actually have prior plans.

>>28906543
Running out the back door are ya? We expect nothing else from a self hating lefty.

If someone brings tools and has 3 hours alone with your safe they're getting in. But for the random smash and grab it could save them. That's why you also need some kind of home security and insurance.

>>28906101
Mind showing me where Browning sells 12GA aluminum hollow doored safes?

>protip: its a fire resistant foam cored steel case that's been torched open, the white AND black soot is from cutting, hence the jagged cuts

>>28905708

Is there a good safe for an apartment? I was considering getting one but I'm wondering if it's worth it because I'm limited to the smaller ones that could easily be walked out with by two people. Can't bolt it down and all. Up to now I've just been hiding my guns as best as I can when I'm out.

>>28906099

Yup, it's just to hold them off longer to increase the chances of them getting caught.

>>28906643
Why can't you bolt it down?

s e c u r i t y s y s t e m

no safe will stop someone who knows what they're doing. You need to have an alarm and call the police. The police will be there before they're in the safe.

>>28905838
what the fuck is the point of a safe then?

if a $1,200 safe is useless then what's the point?

>>28906458
I think the point was that nobody would be using a thermal lance, buddy, and that anyone who tried using a torch to get into the safe would indeed have a bad time.

>>28906706
There are multiple posts in this thread that can answer your question.

The answer is to get a better safe.

>>28905708
Buying a modern safe was your first mistake.

>>28906674

Well I suppose I could, but I don't really want to fuck up the walls and floor too much. And I'm on the second floor so I don't want to do floor.

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Once I buy a house the first things I'm putting in it are a security system and a reinforced concrete room with an armored door in the basement to keep my guns in. The room will have cameras as well.

Until then I keep my firearms in a stack on gun safe in my closet (bolted down) in my first floor apartment. I fucking hate the safety aspect of keeping firearms here... A small prybar is all it would take.

>>28906768
What's your address anon? /K/ will keep on an eye on the place for you.

>>28906065
>Guns are a hot item and worth killing over.
We need to just limit who can own them then.

>>28906791
I live in a pineapple under the sea

But seriously, my apartment is too small to hide my nice stuff in furniture. Since it's an apartment I can't just hollow out walls.

All I can think of doing is paying a machine shop to weld me a hard steel safe with a couple deadbolts in it. What kind of options do I have here /k/?

>>28906744
Please tell me your floor is carpeted

>>28906884
It matches the drapes ;)

>>28906896
Holes will never be noticed when you move out, go ahead and bolt it down.

How to protect your stuff.

1. Insurance
Be sure to keep an accurate record so you can get your claims filed... preferably not in the safe.
2. Alarm
The best safes for plebs are lucky if they can last an hour against tools. You need someone to check to stop a thief.
3. Cameras
Up to you how you want it connected knowing that they are notoriously unsecure. But being able to get an alert on your phone and look for yourself remotely is a great asset.
4. Dogs
Thieves hate dogs.
5. The safe
It is the last thing you should buy. Bolt it down. Don't put tools close to it. Heavy gauge steel, not thin metal over drywall like firesafes. Hidden is better, but remember that closets, attics and beds are not going to stop the rest of the ship in your house from being stolen. Which is why the other options are important.

>>28906853

>I live in a pineapple under the sea

Absorbent and yellow and porous are ye?

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>>28905814
>Ordered a pistol safe
>Fedex joked about how heavy it was to my wife
>She says Lol it's just a safe.
>Afraid to leave house now because nig nogs gonna get my fun.

>>28906933

I've thought about just mounting a big obvious camera in the entryway as a deterrent. It doesn't even have to be on or anything. Kind of like putting up a security system sign on your lawn.

>>28906933
As someone who works in insurance; this.

Most policies don't give a shit about all the measures you took to keep it safe. But if you have the proper documentation as to
what it is
>make model color year features
Where you got it from
>purchase receipt, paper trail, emails from seller
and other specifics
>serial number, photos, photos, photos,

You'll have an easier time with the insurance man. I get really tired of morons telling me they have no idea what they had or blatently lying about it forcing me to call them out on their lack of documentation. Yes Jamal, your $300 a year income, 12 kids, and lack of a car does make me doubt you had a 110 inch 8k television. Please provide documentation? You cant provide it? Then I'm not paying for it.

>>28907008
Ur doing God's work keeping those niggers honest anon.

>>28905864
All told about 20k in guns, scopes, silencers, qnd accessories.


Currently have just a shitty liberty safe. Im saving up for a fort knox or custom safe

>>28905708
Did you forget your combo?
Why are there 3 rifle stocks behind and to the left of the safe?

>>28906956
kek

>underrated post

>>28906342
That's because all the niggers are in East STL, Washington Park, and the metros. Fellow SoIL bro.

>>28906768
FAT
A
T

>>28905777
Dis nigger doesn't OpSec.

>>28906706
the point of a safe is to force burglars to invest time into getting to your stuff. time they shouldn't have because the police has been informed by an alarm. no safe will withstand burglars forever, a safe alone will not keep burglars from getting to your stuff.

>>28906791
>A group of local nec/k/beards camping outside with fixed bayonets and nuggets
>Se/k/urity system

>>28905708
>he doesnt hide his guns in the walls/ceilings
Its like you want to get robbed.

>>28905708
Wait. You didn't booby trap the safe and hide the documents and guns behind a false wall?

>>28905752
Genuine kek

>>28907269
top keks

>>28907135
Is dogtown safe?

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>>28907304
>He actually lets people survive the trip to his safe

False wall in a closet, the bathroom closet is best because most thieves never give it a second glance. In my bathroom there is a triangular hollow from where the stairwell into the basement leads. It looks like a piece of the architecture but in actuality it was cut too high and nobody really notices. On one side there is a small gap between the wall, floor, and rest of the structure. Sticking a small pry bar underneath this gap I can pull out the section of the wall I had hollowed out. It's like a hidden drawer only filled with valuable documents, items, and funs. It's not very large though, and I can only fit about 5-6 rifles in there, though I only have 2 and a shotgun there atm. If you looked at it you would just think whoever designed my house is a fucking retard, and it's generally covered by a small wardrobe for towels and laundry. I keep my ammo stored seperately since I live in a commie state and nigger incursions are a very real possibility.

The best thing to keep in mind is that thieves check the obvious spots last, not first. The smaller the better, anything larger than a set of golf clubs will arouse some kind of suspicion to anyone that passes by or see's them. A dummy safe is also a good idea if you wanna store shit in the walls since that will usually be their main focus if and when they find one.

>>28905777
Come on, what are the odds that a negro breaks in your house, either brings a sawzall with him or "borrows" yours from the garage and just straight starts to cut your furniture to shit, hoping to find your funs before you wake up wondering why your neighbors are building a deck this time of night

>2015+1
>Not keeping the top half of your safe full of M80s and cherry bombs for exactly this situation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-yil6167kM

>>28906036
>Wants to fuck niggers
>"Just dont live in an area with niggers"
Ebin

>>28908192
>wants to fuck niggers
>tfw im a coal miner
its BHM, i want to COLONIZE as many black girls as possible to make MLK proud

>not buying a $100 stackon safe and putting it in kitchen completely unlocked
>not filling it with airsoft guns with the tips painted over
Tyrone is going to grab all of those and not go search for more gimmie days if he thinks he just found like 12 rifles worth $3000 each and a pile of handguns.

>>28907008
This guy again

Check your policies; most have a hard limit on fire arms, usually somewhere around $2500 or $5000 unless you buy a separate policy for your guns.

Say the worst happens; your house burns down or jamal relieves you of your second amendment rights, you are limited to that and theres nothing you can do. Its for everything involved, ammo, guns, and just about anything else solely for guns.

Check your coverage, up your limits if possible, document the hell out of everything including your ammo counts, and buy a specific policy for the guns if you have a large collection.

>>28907777
>tfw you will never be able to cover your yard in bouncing bettys, punji traps, and bear traps without getting sued or charges filled against you
Why live?

>Buy safe
>Boobie trap it
>Rinse repeat
>Eventually niggers stop breaking into safes

>>28906706

two purposes, main reason for such a cheap safe is to keep guns away from kids in the house and low level smash and grab burglars.

If you want moderate protection in a safe it will cost you at least $5,000. Good protection starts around $10,000.

If you want high level protection add a zero or two to that figure. 100,000-1,000,000+ range you are getting into bank tier security where you are making a room in your house into a literal bank vault.

Fun part about that is it can still be beaten given enough time and equipment so you reach a point in safe construction cost where 24 hour armed guards become more cost effective, then its a question of how many and you add in the risk of them turning against you.

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>>28907008
>As someone who works in insurance; this.
Insuranceanon tell me what went wrong with my claim

>be in car accident
>some broad ran a red light and hit me head on while I was making a left hand turn on a green arrow
>i say its her fault, cop says its her fault, she admits fault
>dont have collision coverage so I have to file a claim against her policy - American Family
>AF says the car is totaled
>AF says the law says because the car is totaled that they get to keep it
>tell them fuck no and look up the law
>law says that is only for cars 8 years old or newer
>mine was 9 or 10
>call them up and tell them this
>magically the car is no longer totaled
>magically the accident is now 10% my fault
>they say I should have gone slower or faster through the intersection to avoid it
>if I had gone faster I would have been speeding and would have ran a red light
>going slower is equally retarded as IL law requires you to drive as fast as you can, as long as it is safe and compliant with the speed limit

>>28905708

Am I an asshole for keeping 4 lbs of black powder in the door pouches of my gun safe?

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>>28908428
her car, it was a rental too

>>28908428
Since your story has nothing to do with firearms I'll help you out with your solution:

Shoot the broad and claim she tried to kill you with her car.

>>28908456
I've had one pound minimally contained go off two feet in front of me and got away with second degree burns.
>four pounds contained in a safe
You monster!

>>28908407
They can only sue if they live, or if the body is found. Keep a few bottles of acid in the basement to deal with evidence.
Knowing is half the battle

>>28908499
>Shoot the broad and claim she tried to kill you with her car.
Its kind of hard to do that considering back in '07 IL didnt have CCW, and this was in a crowded intersection full of witnesses.

>>28908428
Totaled means the cost to repair the vehicle was higher than 75% book value. If you take the full book value they keep the car and scrap it. You are typically allowed to purchase the car back for the difference in the book value. Get a lawyer and cease communication with the insurance company.

>>28908428
females can't into driving

>omw to buy groceries from walmart
>in a left most lane
>at red light behind 4 or so other vehicles
>get rear ended by female
>first thing she says when i get out of my truck is "why didn't you just move?"
>she calls her dad and i call the police
>her dad shows up before the police do
>says to me "yeah you shouldn't just slam your brakes when you see a red light like that"
>ignore him to prevent bullshit
>cop pulls up behind split tails car
>her dad waves and shouts "hey jim"
>insurance comes in and i'm 50% at fault. Thanks State Farm/North Carolina

>>28908422
>If you want moderate protection in a safe it will cost you at least $5,000. Good protection starts around $10,000.
lmao

A $500 safe will keep people out long enough for the police to there assuming you don't live in bumbfuck nowhere.

A safe is just a small part of the security system.

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>>28905708
>Browning safe
You asked for it,

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>>28908673
>Get a lawyer and cease communication with the insurance company.
It was over ~$500 and the lawyer would have cost far more than they were jewing me out of.

>>28908708
>females can't into driving
pretty much. with me she said on coming traffic moving so she assumed she had a green light. she didnt think that one direction may have had a green turn arrow and green light and the opposite direction a red light due to rush hour(s) traffic flows.

>>28908723
if you're paying $500 it isnt a safe, its a just a over priced metal box

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>>28906107
>I tried changing my DNA, it went horribly wrong.

>>28908673
>Totaled means the cost to repair the vehicle was higher than 75% book value.
Also I want to know what fucking book they were using. The estimate was for ~$5500 in damages to the car, and I paid $1950 for. If the mechanics shop didnt jew me and start repairs without authorization I would have more than doubled my money on a used car.

>>28905772
oh shit nigga das a nice ass table help me carry that shit too
oh god damn nigga we got some free guns too muthafucka 2 fo 1 nigga das wut im sayin

>>28906036
One of the main reasons I bought the safe was because of its fire proof capabilities since the fire department response time this far outside the city limits is almost non existent.

>>28908874
Why didn't you just keep the check, tell the mechanics to keep the car and buy a different one then?

>>28908946
>Why didn't you just keep the check
The check was never sent to me.

Are they saves from depleted uranium on the market a DU save would be cool

>>28907135
I wonder how long until the dark tide rises up the hill to Collinsville.

>>28908846
Whats your question then? They declared totaled and wanted to pay you the BB value of the car. You didn't want that so they reevaluated the claim. You didn't like that and now you're upset.

>>28908874
Did you sign anything at the repair shop? I'm betting you did and you didn't know what you were signing. That was an authorization to repair giving them the go ahead to start work.

overall, I think you fucked up and didn't listen to what people were giving you.

>>28909026

>>28908955
What I'm getting from this is that you kind of got fucked Anon

>>28909045
>Did you sign anything at the repair shop?
Nope.

>They declared totaled and wanted to pay you the BB value of the car.
It was over the Kelly Blue Book value.

>You didn't want that so they reevaluated the claim.
I said they couldn't keep the wrecked vehical. I was going to drop it off in my grandma's garage and buy another, keep it around to pull parts off of as most of the removable body panels and all of the power train was still good.

>>28909078
Pretty much.

>>28909091
No thats not how the law works. If they pay for something, anything of any age, it becomes their property. You MAY elect to buy it back from them for salvage value. So if they pay you $5k for the car, you want to keep it for $2500, they would pay you $2500 overall and you keep the car.

If the insurance company is saying the repair shop began repairs, ask for a copy of the signed authorization to begin repairs. If they cannot produce that, then its their problem not yours or the insurance.

>>28909091
It happens a lot, my Uncle used to own a body shop. My friend currently owns a body shop.

Insurance claim agents have one job: pay you as little as possible to shut you up. If you are ever in an accident again
1. Always get a police report
2. If you have a body shop you trust tell the tow driver to bring it there
3. Never take the first offer, "Nah, I should probably talk to a lawyer"
4. You are negotiating payment for your wrecked vehicle, rental cars and storage fees are covered no matter what
5. Tell them to mail you the check
6.If it's not worth keeping, just take the money and run
7. If it's totaled and you want to keep it either shop around for the best repair price or tell them to tow it to your house, they will cover this as well, pay nothing
8. The only repairs you really need are what makes it pass state inspection, everything else is optional

For example, say you are hit on the front end of your car and damage is to the headlamp assembly, fender, hood and bumper cover.
Estimate to repair all damage comes to $2500
You find a headlamp assembly with bulbs for $150 from a local junkyard
Tell insurance company to tow car to your house. They owe you $2500 because that is the value of the damage, tell them to mail you that check.
Purchase the headlamp assembly, hammer fender out, install headlamp assembly, keep rest of money as remuneration for driving fucked up car.

>>28906960
I would have fucked her ass dry as punishment.

>>28908428
Where in Illinois did this happen? Most of the women north of I-80 can't drive for shit.

>>28908592

I'm pretty sure turning a gun safe into a ghetto rocket engine with the nozzle ten inches in front of your face is going to smart like a motherfucker, anon.

>>28909386
>Where in Illinois did this happen?
Evanston (just north of Chicago)

>>28909207
I was probably 22 or 23 at the time and this was the first accident I was in which I needed to file a claim.

>>28905772
>>28908889

>Aaawww damn, LaQuinta's always on me about da baby needin a bed. Hol up, help me grab dis shit.

>>28909481
I don't care how old you are nor does that matter to anything.l

>>28906794
By shooting them, BTW the most lethal items on earth happen to be animal products(cholesterol) and pharmaceuticals. Just some fun facts I like to kick in there.

>>28909273
This.

Keep in mind though, that if there's a lien on your vehicle, your lienholder will require that it gets restored to pretty much the same condition it was in prior to the accident.

Also look into a diminished value claim. Certain states don't allow this, so you'll have to check.

Diminished value claims basically determine how much you would've been able to sell the car for prior to the accident, and how much you'll be able to sell it after the accident, and they cut you a check for the difference.

This only works if the car is not totaled. Don't ask the insurance company about this, cause they'll lie out the ass to avoid paying you anything.

Get any info you want from Collison Claim Associates.

You might still be able to file for one depending on how long ago the accident occurred. Florida, for instance, gives you 4 years to file one from the date of the accident.

And don't let the insurance company try and tell you that they only have to pay if you sell the vehicle, cause that's bullshit.

>>28906977
I'm thinking about doing that, and then installing some smaller, more discreet cameras. Seems like it's worth it. The idea of having my guns get stolen makes me sick to my stomach, all I have is a shitty steel stack-on cabinet.
Also, what are the chances of home insurance rates to drop, do they factor in having a security system?

>>28905800
This, people are incredibly ignorant as to how safe the information they post is.

>Doing background check on guy for work
>posted his email and home phone number on online gun message board for discussing/trading/buying/selling
>Openly talking about all of his guns, bows, gear, expensive scopes, reloading setup
>talks about the area he lives in and his local gun club so know what town he lives in
>talks about his physical ailments and medical problems
>mentions upcoming hunts, when he will be out of town and for how long

>>28909698
Typically, yes. My insurance went down about $10 per month when I installed a camera system to catch the shitbags fucking with my car.

Turned out the dindu across the street, living in the 1 bedroom apartment with 8 melanin enriched welfare youngins, was making them play outside because they were too loud during "muh Jerry Springer."

Since the best parents know the trick to keeping your kids entertained and out of trouble is to not buy them toys, they played with whatever they could get their hands on, mainly gravel.

The gravel wars were a dark, dark time for my impreza. I ended up showing their landlord the proof, and he gave them the choice to either pay for the damages or he was gonna evict their ass and use their rent money for it.

They got evicted.

>>28908428
>that poor xj
Makes me scared for mine

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>>28909945
I learned that the interior is resistant to battery acid, except for the carpeting. I had replaced the battery in it and hadn't gotten around to bringing back the old one for recycling. It collided with a toolbox and sprayed acid everywhere. I didnt notice until a couple days later.

>>28906643

I use a rigid tool chest filled with about 300lbs of gun shit. Won't stop a guy with tools but a random smash and grab won't be able to get them.

Also get renters insurance and ask about specificity about covering the guns for fire and theft. It's not that expensive.

>>28905727
>>28905736
Kek

>>28905708
that safe was not cut open in that room. the carpet if you want to call it that would be severely burned. source, 38 years of cutting and welding in the collision industry.

>>28910482
What if the carpet was made of asbestos?

>>28905973
You build a reinforced addition to the house.

just to help out some fellow /k/omrads

if you have a closet that you can disguise not to look like a closet, its a pretty good idea. Dry wall over it, hide hinges with some woodwoork, get creative.

>>28905800

+1

I deleted Facebook and Linkedin for this exact reason (not that I post guns on Linkedin, durr)

I saw people posting some stupid shit.

>New gun safe
>Filled with guns
>Guns at the range
>"OMFG NEW TOY LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!!"

People are idiots

>>28905864

I have roughly $32-$35k worth of firearms in a small walk-in closet. The closet is barricaded off by furniture in a "storage room"

If someone breaks in, I have a Moist Nugget laying in plain view in our bedroom as bait. There's a 357 in the nightstand secret compartment.

If someone breaks in, they won't find the stash unless they know me really well or have a LOT of time on their hands

>>28908708
i already have a dashcam recording what's going on in front of me
you've convinced me to get a second just to point out the rear window

>>28906706
>$1200 safe
>a mid-tier bolt gun with a middle of the road optic can easily cross into $1000
>Buying a $1200 safe to hold just one gun
Unless you're paying for a storage space for all your hi-points.

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>>28908175
Epic.

>>28905708
The first rule of safe club is not to tell anyone that you have one.

>>28911637
Insurancefriend here

I've seen a break-in where it was clear they were there for probably 2 hours; overturning EVERYTHING in the house looking for all possible hiding places for small valuables.

Everyone fears about things that go bump in the night. Best time for being black is in the middle of the day when the homeowner is at work. Get a work truck/van and it looks like they're repairing an appliance.

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>>28905708
That's a pretty garbage safe tho. You can see the composite front door revealed by the cut, it's 16 gauge sheet metal sandwiched over foam or drywall. Pic not related, this is three layers of 10 gauge steel, much thicker but still not adequate. A cordless diamond bladed circular saw could have gotten into that safe even faster and more easily.

This is why you do not buy composite doors, or at least stick to composite doors with heavy steel panels at LEAST 1/4" thick, preferably 3/8"+.

Required watching:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltK-bDbADa8

Don't buy a cheap safe unless your goal is just to keep children out. No serious thief is going to be deterred by sheet steel.

>>28905949
good lulz, thx

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>>28910699

>>28912866
kek

>>28912866
Because hes going to pawn them... not just sell to street niggers or across a border.

>>28905864
You're a fucking poorfag or an idiot.

>>28905864
Why do people buy locks for their houses?
How much money did you spend on or house in the first place?

Just hiding the fucking thing behind some tall grass would be better than a safe

>>28906706
A $1200 dollar safe is an expensive gun locker and/or fire resistant box. The facto f the matter is many people know fuck all about safes and see one with a big thick door and big bolts and think it's good. What they don't know is the lock is shit and the construction is of thin steel and hollows to make it look thicker and sturdier than it is. They also don't know about security ratings or that fire ratings are more or less meaningless as there is no proscribed method for testing like tool ratings. So you get companies that capitalize on this and sell what looks like a good sturdy safe with a reputable name slapped on it and few details about the construction shared other than marketing points like thick 12ga construction! They are simultaneously marketing to acrowd that doesn't know what is good and isn't and influencing their perception of what is good.

I can't even remember seeing a tl rated safe a cabelas.

There is a lot to picking a very secure safe and because I'm no expert and I'm still researching and trying to find the best bang for my buck I haven't bought one yet.

You also need to have proper expectations set when you go buying. Do you need a safe to withstand a nuclear blast or really something to keep your guns and your birth certificate protected from a smash and grab burglery or a house fire that the fire department responds to in 10 min. To me high security is appealing but i think more realistic of a concern for most people is fire resistance.

>Not getting a Cannon

>>28905748
Kek

>>28905708
Fake post. Guns are to the left of the safe. OP forgot combo and couldn't get into muh ryefulls. Try again OP.

Opinon on sturdysafe

>>28907135
fellow SoIL bro here. Can confirm, STL is a shit hole.
>went to get on Metro near AFB
>going with GF to Forest park, it's one of her favorite places in STL, and it's her birthday
>She wants to go to art museum and zoo as well.
>cool I guess
>Get onnametro head innacity
>metro stops, they're doing construction
>tell us to get off, and they'll take us to forest park on a bus
>literally shittiest place to get off on metro
>get on bus, entire fucking Tyler Perry family is on bus. Literally 4 whites on bus
>Dindu women is fucking yelling at an old white man, because he kindly asked if his older wife could sit down
>"YOU A PIECE OF SHIT, WHY DON'T YA JUST GET A CAR? YOU CAN AFFORD IT. SOME OF US HAVE TO GET EVERYWHERE ON THIS BUS, AND YOU CAN JUST GET A CAR!"
>holyfuckingshit.png
>get off near forest park
>literally in the niggest part, probably 2 miles from forest park
>we're walking through the neighborhood
>I'M GOING TO FUCKING DIE.PNG
>Get to forest park, enjoy the day.
>Head back, and buy a one day bus ticket off a guy, cool dude.
>homeless guy gets off buss and asks me for money.
>"Don't have any."
>"ohhh, alright. take care, anon"
>Bird shits on me
>fucking christ
>Get to metro station again
>Nigger is literally leaned over against a wall pissing, and on his cellphone
>Get on metro, go home, have sex

I fucking hate STL.

>>28909030
Collonsville is already fucked, dude.

>>28914274
See
>>28912866

>>28906065
This is good advise

>And when you post pictures online on various forums, most cameras and phones encode GPS location/geotags.

If you can into 4chan you pretty much got this covered. Most normies love to post Facebook pictures with their locations in real time, more than often they will accept just about anyone as a friend, cause "why are you so paranoid anon?"

>>28913883
I didn't know anything about safes and went in to a safe dealer wanting to buy a $1000 safe. The guy sat me down and handed me a piece of paper and pencil. He said:
>write down everything you're going to put in this safe.
Ok... Done.
>now write down the value of every item to the right of it. I don't want to see it.
Ok... Done
>here is a calculator

When I was done I had figured the price to replace it all was around $60,000.
>Anon, let's spend 5% of that on protecting it.

Took delivery of a Browning Prestige series safe(10 gauge body)

>>28912530
>$4000 dollar safe.

Geez, why don't the criminals just steal the safe instead?

>>28914832
>riding on MetroLink
>especially across the river
>only to return home to 'safety' in shitty Illinois
jesus christ GTFO and move to St Charles County or something.

>>28915094
If it makes you feel better, I'm going to school and living in Missouri, far away from all of that shit.

do you want to know where to hid valuables? Get a big ass laundry basket. Then fill it with dirty clothes. Make sure there are a few tidy whities with skid marks on top. Keep all of your valuables on the bottom. Then buy a $30 fire safe and fill it with sand in bags. They will see the safe and will never think to look under the nasty ass clothes.

>>28915079
Because a $4,000 safe (which is at the low end of "good" by the way) weighs two tons and will be bolted to the concrete foundation on top.

It can't be stolen.

>>28909900
>They got evicted.

Best possible outcome. Good job anon.

>>28915254
it also costs $87 000 to install

>>28914832
Why didnt you take metro link straight to forest park. Or cwe station.


Litterally at the park

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>>28915294
>install
Drilling four holes and knocking bolts into them is ultra-rich status to you?

I can't imagine how you live.

>>28905749
Most robbers check the mattress
That's where crack dealers and mothers store their cash
Don't be this dumb

>>28915254
I am looking at a safe that is about 1000lbs.
It is going on a 1st floor over a basement.


When i build my own house.... Im putting in a 20×20 room with a safe door.

>>28915301
>Get onnametro head innacity
>metro stops, they're doing construction
>tell us to get off, and they'll take us to forest park on a bus

They were doing construction on one of the stations before forest park, so we had to get off before forest park......

>>28905800
>make sure the rest of your house isn't protected by Kwikset tier garbage locks
Dude.

Let me dawn something on you.

American house physical security sucks. You don't need to break the lock if you can break the door or the window.

>get a security system.
Now you're talking. But this is complicated, too. Modern security systems are wireless and can easily be jammed. Older security systems... why do you need to defeat a door or window sensor if, having just a stud finder, you can cut the fucking stucco wall out and carry most of the shit out of the house through that hole without the alarm being ever tripped?

Real security is expensive. Pick your battles.

I'd start with finding a good neighborhood, preferably with a lot of paranoid work-from-home or retired security conscious neighbors that would call police if the mailman sneezes the wrong way. Bonus, they'll operate their security cameras for your benefit, for it indirectly impacts theirs.

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>>28915294

DIY bitch

>>28906101
so what brand of safe has all the shit you just listed?

>He didn't convert a room of his house or build an extension for a gun vault.

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>>28908422
>Good protection starts around $10,000
Or you could oh I dunno, get an insurance policy and be done with it.

fucking people spending 10grand on a metal box...

>>28916213
if the valuables inside are worth that much to you (as in they are of personal significance), and if you can afford to buy a 10K safe then by all means one should buy a good safe.

It ain't like you can buy back the memories/significance of a gun

>>28906477

Either that or dad died and he was the only one with the combo, so how are we getting into this safe so we can sell his shit to buy more weed?

Fuck gun safes.

Buy a GSA approved safe from a federal auction.

If it's good enough for Uncle Sam's guns and classified documents, it's good enough for your guns.

The vast majority of break ins are done by smash and grab nigger teenagers, not fucking italian mafia doing break ins with welding torches and skill saws.

Git gud insurance and lay a fucking bear trap if ya care so much.

>>28916453
>voluntarily giving a list of all of your firearms and their serials to a private company that can be subpoenaed
I thought we didn't like that kind of thing here.

>>28905708
What did you do to make yourself a target for the payday gang?

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That only happens if it is known that you have a safe. A person who breaks into your home will not have the necessary equipment to break into a safe, unless he knows you have one.

Know how you keep people from knowing you have a safe? Shoot the person who broke in or don't let it be known you have a safe you retard

>>28914832
Jesus Christ anon and I thought Columbia MO was bad (live in rural central Missouri so niggers are like albinos here)

>>28916535
Yeah, I (lived) about 45 minutes away from that shit. Southern Illinois is pretty nice if you can get past the fact that there's no good gun shops, and a shit ton of fudds.

We (lived) in a corn field, so no one really bothers us, and we can ride ATVs and stuff whenever we want.

I live onnacampus right now though, so no funs. But it's at a STEM school in Missouri, so most of the shitheads were filtered out at this level. Most.

>>28916514
>don't let it be known you have a safe
One of problems with safes is that they're obvious to delivery personnel and neighbors. Here's one company I found while doing my research on safes - http://www.zanottiarmor.com/, modular, supposed to come in nondescript boxes. Any anons to figure out or know if the design is worth it or full of shit?

>>28916213
Can't replace my preban magazines.

>>28908175
Fuckin' Genius.

>>28905708
That doesn't look very safe.

>>28905708
I wonder how big of an explosively formed penetrator you would need to make a hole in a little bitty safe like that.

Or hell, could you just shoot it instead?

>>28916680
>bolt together
Nigger are you joking?

>>28916874
Nope. No idea how they're put together, but if they're designed right, bolts are not load bearing. I didn't have a chance to see the actual product, hence the question.

>>28906101
You clearly don't know shit. All the hinges do is hold the door on when it's open. You've got bars that don't actuate on the side where the hinges are, they fall behind the threshold while you're closing it, then the bars that do actuate on the opposite side. The bars hold the door on. Cut the bars or cut the lock and actuate the bars. Only way to open it.

Nothing is safe.

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>>28914832
>>28915106
>>28914832

I live in STL... well... JefCo, but unincorporated Eureka (which is St. Louis County. It's complicated). Downtown is a terrible place. Living inside the 270/170 loop is asking to get robbed, and crossing the river is asking to get jacked/killed. It's just a bad plan. I know people that have been pulled over by cops because, and I quote "You have no business being here" (aka being white). They were then escorted by cops with lights on to the nearest highway ramp.

Granted, I deal with white trash and methheads and stuff, but at least they won't attack me for being 'in the wrong part of town.'

>>28916647
Rolla, I'm guessing. If you're in STL it could be Rankin, but you're prolly Rolla.

>>28915033
I personally haven't seen a browing safe I was very impressed by. I'm intrigued by the sturdy safes posted here earlier and I've been intrigued by sportsman steel safes but both require more research. I have also yet to see an amsec safe the impresses me but that seems to be the brand all the locksmiths in my area reccomend.

My budget swings between $3k and $10k depending on how much security I think I need at a given time.
>>28916680
A friend of mine has one. He likes it and fits his needs as he will be moving frequently over the next few years. Personally I'm not very impressed by their protection level.

>>28905708
>Go outside, they said
>It's a beautiful day, they said

>>28916461
Most gun-specific insurance doesn't require itemizing your weapons unless the value of a gun rises above a certain threshold, then you have to provide specifics for that gun.

A collection of Hi-Points and Nuggets will not be a problem.

>>28912344

I would think they would need a good reason to be in your house for two hours - they know for a damn fact you've got Good Shit and know for a damn fact you're not going to be there for an extended period of time.

>>28916647
if I had to take a guess there is only 3 stem related schools in Missouri there's Rolla there is one in St Louis and one I attend State Technical

>>28910699
didn't take you long did it?
this is why I hesitated posting.
everyone knows using a torch to open a safe causes collateral damage.
everyone but you and jamal.

>>28905772
Was trying to buy one of those tables. Was thinking about putting my rarely used long arms in it. Nothing really valuable because no fire resistance. With a table cloth on it someone would have to be in on the secret.

>>28918992
Why not make one?

>>28913883
>They also don't know about security ratings or that fire ratings are more or less meaningless as there is no proscribed method for testing like tool ratings.
Are you really this retarded?
http://ul.com/inside-ul/cracking-the-code-a-glimpse-into-uls-burglary-testing-of-safes/

And regarding fire ratings, UL is again well known for providing these kinds of certification services.

>>28905800

>An audible alarm alone will make a robber more likely to run or not tale the time to literally cut through a safe

You can buy a security camera system at Costco for like $800. It holds 2TB of footage and includes 6 cameras. Just seeing those cameras is a huge deterrent.

Also I recommend a glass break sensor near large windows. As soon as it hears the sound of glass breaking it alarms. They cost like $40 each and can be used in conjunction with your existing security system.

>>28905800

This. People won't hesitate to buy 5 ARs yet they think a big box store "safe" if sufficient for their funs.

All a safe does is buy you time. Even real jewelry safes that have a TL-30 safes only slow someone down.

Buy a higher end gun safe with at least a 7GA body and put it in a corner of your foundation. Higher end safes have multiple relockers, hardened drill plates, 1 1/2 bolts all around and doors with at least 1/2" steel overall. Bolt it to the foundation. Pour a concrete, rebar reinforced wall on the other side. Consider a beat up old used dummy safe loaded with lead ingots that they could waste their time on.

A DVR camera system and an alarm are a huge deterrent. You will have false alarms, but you can remote in and check your shit from your phone if needed. Know your neighbors and have their phone numbers. Buy good homeowners or gun insurance. High end safes come with lifetime burglary insurance that cover the cost of replacing the safe.

They will try to move it first, then attack the lock, then try to cut it and lastly torch it. If you have a decent safe,good location and a good alarm system, they simply won't have the time to do much of anything let alone move your stuff.

Lastly, consider ninja traps. A raspberry pi with a solid state relay can shut off the mains power in your house. With the security and alarm system running on battery backup, they will be in a completely dark room with no use of power tools while the police are already dispatched.

>>28916647
Rolla?

STS guns at 111 and pontoon beach

This thread is a perfect example of /k/

>OP, buy a $1500 safe
>OP listens to people on the internet
>His guns get stolen neway
Then people berate him for spending more
you AR fags are the worst. I bet you're all the shitposters ITT

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>>28908175
That's justice. Sweet tasty justice.

>>28919608
>you AR fags are the worst
Best theft protection for guns is to either have none or cheap jamal tier shit. I'm with you dude!

>>28919145
How fucking stupid are you?
>buy 10K worth of shit it'll save you hurr hurr

The best defense is opsec. Not letting people know you even own shit is a great start. Don't the faggot who talks about guns at work.

Try hiding that shit out of the way, and combining it with a loud alarm system. NO thief is going to spend 20 min torching your safe when a 120 dB alarm is blaring

Also try not living in the fucking ghetto. White, gated communities are best.

>>28913883
>To me high security is appealing but i think more realistic of a concern for most people is fire resistance.
Or just live in a fireproof home... Short of pouring gasoline around around the house, you can't really have a fire in a concrete/ICF house.

>>28908889
>8889
So close.

>>28919827
>NO thief is going to spend 20 min torching your safe when a 120 dB alarm is blaring
But then you would have to lock up your hearing protection too.

>>28905949

Ever been so mad you hit someone with a dog on a leash?

>>28906065
I have the good guns in a safe behind a false wall in the basement. I also have a cheap ass shotgun by the door and a cheap ass Taurus pistol laying out. Someone wants a gun they'll grab those.

I never tell people just how many guns I have or everything that I own. Then again, I live so far out in the country the only thing that tends to get stolen is the gas can for my lawnmower.

The stereotype that burglars are all stupid nigger crackheads couldn't be more wrong and is perpetuated by people who have never been burgled.

They're often niggers, and often crackheads, but stupid thieves don't typically don't stay free after their first theft. There are stupid ones, but chances are the one that comes for your shit is going to smarter at stealing shit than you are at protecting it. They know what to take, they know where you're likely to keep it, they know the best times to rob you, and they know how likely you are to be worth the trouble.

Imagine you're poor, have no job prospects to speak of, and the questionable ethics of theft mean absolutely nothing to you. Then imagine you have nothing but all the time in the world to figure out how to steal, and if you do get caught, they'll just send you to a place where all these qualities are assets AND is full of people with nothing but time who will happily teach you to be a better thief for this or that favor. It doesn't take a generally smart person to burgle, it just takes someone who knows about burgling.

>>28920139
Also, I should mention that I didn't really catch on to this until my apartment was burgled.

Why don't they make safe's that look like fridges?

>>28920280
>Why don't they make safe's that look like fridges?
Delete your post now and patent that.

>>28919990
My nigga. Breaking ground on the basement in April

>>28920353
ICF exterior or are you doing concrete interior too?

>>28920364
Exterior, stick built interior walls

>>28920380
Definitely the more livable option, but you can always just have faux walls/frame if you need to mount things.
I'm just a college fag, but it doesn't hurt to plan for the future.

>>28920280
cause watermelons go into fridges

>>28905727
Boxjockey

>>28920380
What do you mean mount things? Do you mean hang things from the inside of the exterior wall? Because you can just put in concrete anchors if drywall anchors won't be strong enough.

>>28920772
I mean its easier and harder to fuck up to just use studs to mount things.

>>28905772

This would be great but I picture it being a nightmare for rust prevention.

>>28908175
"FIREWORKS"

>>28916728
but you could use the insurance bux to move to somewhere without mag bans

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>>28920896
You wouldn't believe how much weight you can actually put on drywall with these things. They kick the shit out of any anchors I have seen before. Pretty much the only things that are going to need stud backing in my house are cabinets and the TV mount.

>>28906273
No.
Aluminum isn't really able to be cut in the way steel is with an oxyfuel torch, steel cuts by the excess oxygen forming iron oxides and the pressure blowing it out of the cut, it's accelerated pinpoint rusting. Aluminum forms a harder oxide that protects the metal and has a higher melting point, so trying to cut it causes oxides to form that protect the metal as opposed to eat it away. As far as welding goes, you can use oxy-acetylene to weld aluminum (it's hard, you need a fluxer, you need special goggles, a high skill level and good quality gear) but it is doable.
Galvanized metal is the shit you don't want to weld or cut without getting the zinc off, you'll end up with metal fume fever.

>>28905736
>niggers
>specializing in anything

>>28921207
Legit question. Who the fuck torch welds?
Is it even worth learning in the 21st century when we have mig/tig?

>>28921244
I believe they specialize in nigging. As we all know, 'niggers gonna nig'.

>>28921325
I do torch, MIG, TIG, and stick primarily. Torch is nice for portability, you can take a couple small tanks and your torch out pretty much anywhere even without power, and it can weld most anything even if it can't cut everything like a plasma cutter. I'd recommend it since I find starting people on torch welding before any arc process has them learning arc much faster, as they started welding with a process where it's easier to see and get a feel for what you are doing. Some places do it for aluminum welding small production run things, as the cost can be better than high end TIG welders, three phase power hookups and the power costs. Mostly the oxyfuel cutting is for scrappers as oxygen propane is really really cheap for chopping things up.

>>28919128
>As soon as it hears the sound of glass breaking it alarms
Not that hard to bypass. You put duct tape over the glass and break it genteelly, then just pull the tape off. Although most people do this just not to alert neighbors in urban areas.

Also gun safe reviews guy has a few good articles on his site talking about the differences between gun safes and actual approved safes, construction differences, exactly what an approved safe is rated to withstand, videos of safe testing, etc. Safes keep your stuff protected long enough for police or you to arrive, hidden safes can keep your stuff protected due to it being hidden, but none of them are perfect.
Also things like burglar blaster can be helpful.

>>28921406
>burglar blaster
Is that code for a gun not in a gun safe or some product that I'm not aware of?

>>28921443
It's an anti burglar system, I didn't want to link directly to the site, but it is basically just an OC fogger. Or a ceiling mount one or a tripwire one.
Shit seems legal to have, too.

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>>28919990
>you can't really have a fire in a concrete/ICF house.
ICF can still burn on the inside, and the foam is only rated for 1500F before it starts to fuel the fire. It's why they are required to have a standoff space between the foam and drywall.

But yes, they can withstand far more than you average home. You pretty much live in a bunker.

>>28905708
Everyone ITT you better take securing your firearms seriously.

I started working in apartment complex security and the #1 type of theft we have is gun theft. These little niglets and spiclets will break into someone's unit (they usually scope out single males as there's less traffic in/out of the unit) and break in while they're gone. Whatever they can fit in their backpacks is what they take. They'll leave expensive ass electronics and shit behind in favor of handguns, which is frightening to think that little 13-16 year old brown kids are out there with guns. Its not just kids but the two groups that have been caught were.

Hide your shit, hide it well, or secure it well. Best option imo is to hide it and secure it. Put it in box springs, inside old hollow speakers, anywhere you think they wouldn't take interest in.

>>28914832
I went to a few Cardinals games last summer. Friday night after the game me and my buddy decided to walk from the Magnolia hotel to the Lumiere casino.

Ho-lee-shit

That was the sketchiest 15 minute walk of my life.

The only time I ever felt like I needed my concealed carry gun on me.

>Not keeping a Canadian Goose in your safe
>Not being awakened by the glorious sound of honking as the would-be intruder is devoured by a flying cunt

>>28921813
>2017 - 1
>Not using peacocks for an alarm system

>>28921697
Ey what if... the apartment manager just raised rent like 3$ and put up a quality surveillance/recording system, along with those camera peepholes that snap a pick when someone knocks or rings?

>>28921870
Peacocks make noise incessantly, intruder or no and are nowhere near as dangerous as the Canadian Assault Goose.

>>28921874
kek get a load of this guy
>thinks property managers give a single fuck about anything that happens other than if you destroy your unit or things that are cut and dry stupid liability issues like running around the pool

it's actually better to leave your firearms fully loaded and out in the open because if someone breaks in and sees it they'll think there's something wrong with it and won't take because why would you leave something valuable and dangerous out in the open where anyone could just grab it

Anybody heard of Bear Safe's?

>>28905708
A safe is the first place thieves want to get into. I hide my guns throughout my house in very strange places that will not be found.

>>28921325
torch welder also. no a lot mind you. when I took auto body in HS migs were not in the industry yet. gas welding and brazing were the only methods. I was required to pass 15 different welds to pass the first year alone.

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>>28921381
This:

And if I may add, brazing and soldering are still useful skills to have

>>28920280
"found $90,000 of the cash in the freezer, in $10,000 increments wrapped in aluminum foil and stuffed inside frozen-food containers". Serial numbers found on the currency in the freezer matched serial numbers of funds given by the FBI to their informant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Jefferson_corruption_case

Nigs like to hide money in freezers and fridges. So they'll check them.

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>>28921406
I prefer the burger blaster

>>28920280
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cb9_1447375767

>>28905767
It was probably full of baking soda or something similar. Its a lame and cheap alternative to a dehumidifier.

>>28921906
>>28921813
Sweet Jesus fuck geese. I was once gang attacked by a gaggle of those murderbirds. Fought tooth and nail back to my car then mowed them down with 263 horsepower of sweet American justice.

>if you`re renting beware of the maintenance man. This asshole is not a 3 trade journeyman working for $9/hr. He is a lying nigger who is casing your house.

>Lock your security fences and treat those locks like your front door. Any windows not behind that fence needs rose bushes in front. Locked fences might be easy to jump but it's scary that you might get slowed down beating a retreat.

>Secure your front door. It should take 10 minutes of roid raging to break it down. Use 3' wood screws to secure the lock plates and hinges. Put a cam above the door. Even a baby monitor. You can look thru the cam to decide if you want to answer and lay ambushes on knock and kicks.

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>>28919827
Not that other guy but his advice is solid. A great safe doesnt close to $10k. Check out Sturdy Safes.All that extra stuff he suggested wont add much.

>>28917563
>>28918945
>>28919236

Damn, anons. You guys are good.

Rolla confirmed.. Let's pray to the /k/ube that campus carry gets passed.

>>28917563
Really.. . so all of Clayton, and ladue are looking to get robbed?


You west county moron

>>28922757
What major?

I graduated from there.


Good gun club in rolla is "Rolla Gun Club" also for good stores look at osage county guns, and Smokey Acers out side of Rolla

>>28905708
Nice messy room faggot

>>28922868
Applied Mathematics, but probably going to switch over to Comptuer Science because I actually want a job. Plus it will pay for my funs. GF is planning on coming here to work on a CS degree as well, so she can go work in software.

I've been tempted to show up to one of the skeet shooting club's meetings. But a women in the club just killer her fiance, who was also in the club. Kind of an awkward time for the club in general.

I love skeet shooting though, and it's probably the most type of shooting I do.

>>28922970
Yeah i knew them both. I am hoping she didnt do it. She has tits that are to good for jail.


But fuck the trap club. Join the actually club.

Nice range
No rso

Guy that runs it is Mark Harris he works in freshman engineering machine shop.


I would recommend if you do the cs or ist degree pick up bs econ as well.

Sets you up nice for analyst or big data wizard.

>>28923105
Econ is such a drag. Probably just going to minor in mathematics, because it's really easy to do with a CS degree.

I don't really need any kind of security measures because my family became friends with the methheads next door and they watch our house like a hawk.

>>28923282
Shitty neighborhoods have the best neighborhood watch. Erica McSoccermom in the gated community might call the police a sketchy guy, but Leory Methhead will crack him right over the head with a baseball bat

>>28905727
>>28905747
>>28905748

Yegg

>>28908428
Women can't into driving

>stopped at a light from a four way intersection
>In a straight, or left turn, lane
>FOB chick to my left in a straight only lane
>Light turns
>I don't even get halfway through the intersection before dumb bitch tries to make a left turn through my passenger window.

>I'm new to getting my car fucked by women so I don't know to instinctively stop and turn off my car while I await the police's arrival

>Vietnam and I both pull out totalled vehicles into the gas station on the corner of the intersection

>NVA's boyfriend shows up and stares daggers at me while I make sure my brother is ok (he was in the passenger side)

>Ho Chi Minh tells the story for his girlfriend even though he wasn't there

>cop says there is no way to prove who was correct so I can't do shit.

>Insurance company says I can't prove I wasn't at fault.

I wish my grandpa killed more gooks in Nam

>>28906131
You live in fucking Michigan, dude. What did you expect?

>>28906768
Proportions in this pic are fucking hilarious. Can she even see anything when she looks down?

>>28905736
Fuck you racist

>>>/pol/

>>28905949
I can't believe its 2016 and we haven't banned military grade assault dogs.

>>28909030
>Collinsville
Michael you fucking shit head. You told me you couldn't come to game night cause you were sleeping. Now I know you're just shit posting.

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>Not having an alarm in your house.

Safes buys you time! Not safety.

>>28926435
McNig plz

>>28922162
Refrigerators, freezers, ovens, speakers, toilet tanks, under the sofa, under the coffee table, under the bed. All places too obvious to hide shit

>>28908175
But... Wouldn't that fuck up your guns?

>>28906131
>Park anywhere along the Appalachian Trail for more than a night and your car will probably broken into.

Wrong. I've left my car parked along the Appalachian Trail here in Tennessee for an entire week without being broken into.

>>28914832
Dude. Just stay in West County and only venture to the city for restaurants and cards games.

>>28917563
>kirkwood
>Frontenac
>Webster groves
>Clayton

>getting robbed

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>>28906131
I really hoped you were going to break into song.
>The hills are aliiiive
>With the sound of meeeeethheads

>>28927108
>How do you solve a problem like Anon
>How do you get a safe and bolt is down
>How do you find the word that means Anon
>A /k/ommando? A faggot? A nigger?

My way to get into places i don't belong? Torch the hinges https://shop.multipick.com/de/thermolanzen/broco/broco-hot-shot-kit .................you want it , you 'll get it with this baby..https://www.contorion.de/elektrowerkzeug/dewalt-36-0v-4-0ah-winkelschleifer-dc415m2-qw-92440435?gclid=Cj0KEQiA6IC2BRDcjPrjm_istoUBEiQASrLz1sFvlV2VduT94z3zCobq3mD_LyYceJFd6dByG5AnPOEaAok28P8HAQ&aid=74496530188&ef_id=VpHIMgAABFaqsiIp:20160215053133:s&ctt=b2c.....responsible gun owner and hobby safe cracker here.

>>28906273
Normal heat resitant steel deals with oxy-acet. The heat just dissipates. Not funny. Godda heat up the whole safe. The problems start when you defeated the steel.

>>28906279
You never ever did anything wich includes the use of a rotary blade wich touches the surface of metal. The fucks just keeps hardening up! Zinc migth be involved and the surface just turns to soup. Metall is great.

I just saw you post on Facebook OP lol

>>28926558
>Safes buys you time! Not safety.
Underrated comment.