1) Dont talk to people who aren't trustworthy about your guns or gun collection. Keep that shit on the D/L. Guns are expensive, and while KNOWING a person has an arsenal is a massive deterrant to trying to HARM that individual all a person needs to do is wait for you to leave your house and then they know they have a payday.
2) make sure the rest of your house isn't protected by Kwikset tier garbage locks. Get good locks and reinforced door jambs.
3) get a security system. You dont need ADT or some other scam company charging you out the nose for their monitoring anymore. An audible alarm alone will make a robber more likely to run or not tale the time to literally cut through a safe and there are a host of DIY security systems that can send an alert to your cell phone that someone has entered your home.
A shit safe in the middle of your Mogadishu tier shit apartment wont stop Jamal if you have been telling anyone who will listen about your new 3000 dollar 7mm gun with Zeiss glass.
>>28905772 >Looks like someone didn't OpSec A new manager at work, on his first day introduced himself to the shift. "I like to hike, fish, hunt, and shot, I love shooting. Got quite the big collection and I love sniper rifles." Or something like that. I'd say a third of the people working there are excons or undesirables from the bad parts of town working this lowpaying warehouse gig.
Dude's from SC so it wouldn't surprise me if he thought it was normal. My bet is him got robbed withing the month.
>>28905708 Reminder: The best safe is the one the perp's cant actually find.
After we redid our kitchen I had fit a medium sized gun locker in the empty space where my old fridge was recessed into the wall. It is obscured by a wine rack, which slides out for gun access.
Also remember Opsec. Loose lips get guns stolen. People know you have guns and you might as well have told them you have a vault of solid gold bricks.
And when you post pictures online on various forums, most cameras and phones encode GPS location/geotags.
Also. If you own guns. INVEST IN A FUCKING HOME SECURITY SYSTEM.
Something that will alert you AND the police when you are not home and a window or door is broken into.
Another great security system is a Dog. A large or medium sized dog. I have four Dutch shephards and they hold the fort when I am not home.
Also, keep the obligatory handgun under your pillow/in the nightstand, with a pistol light. Because when people come in your home to take your guns, they will be armed themselves. Guns are a hot item and worth killing over.
>>28906036 What? I lived in both rural places and metro areas only place my house was ever broken into was in the country. There's a ton of crime in the country because they know police will take 45 minutes to respond and they're more likely to go break into houses because a country house is more likely to have a gun than a city house. that's my take anyways
>>28905708 your daily reminder that a safe is there to make your possessions LOOK secure or at best hold up the thieves for a few minutes, max. a person with a few tools and enough time can break into anything you can bring into your house..
The damage was done by a Flex not by an Acetelentorch. The white ressidue is metal dust. And it seems the door is hollow. A good safe has concrete in it or special fibers that entangle rotor blades. Against torches and thermolances a thin aluminium sheet is embeded into the door. If the flame touches the alu , it willvaporize and kill the torch operator. So this is a shit safe and i would have cut the hinges of the door. Easiest way....source: been there , done that.
>>28906036 hate to clue you in on this nigger but the hills are alive with meth heads. I do a lot of back country camping and /out/ stuff. Park anywhere along the Appalachian Trail for more than a night and your car will probably broken into.
I own a cabin in remote Northern Michigan. I I don't even lock the cabin anymore because I'm sick of replacing busted doors and windows. The American economy has turned rural America into a Slav existence. But keep complaining about Mexicans and niggers so you don't have to face the truth.
>>28906065 >Something that will alert you AND the police when you are not home and a window or door is broken into. Because you want to give the cops a free search warrant for your home. This also assumes you dont have a dog that would constantly set it off, and get shot when the cops show up.
>>28906120 Yeah you seriously sound like someone who has never lived in a rural county you probably live 5 minutes outside the city. Your little idea of a nice country place with nice friendly rednecks and no crime is a total fallacy.
>>28906120 >I don't want to hear about how you lived out in the sticks with trailer trash meth heads and they broke into your house. This mega race baiting socialist white guilt riddled fucktard calling anyone white trash...TOPPEST OF KEKS. Go back to /pol/ and start another muh blasck chicks with huge asses pic dump pencil neck.
>>28906273 If you use a thermal lance it super heats the AL and turns it into a mist of aluminium droplets that are around 2000F when the jet spurts back out the hole. If the jet misses the operator he is basically inhales red hot particles which is kinda a bad time. A respirator or mask won't help since the particles will melt the filter fibers and burrow right through in a few breaths. This is why thermal lance operators try to be a good 15+ feet away and have a closed loop respirator or positive air supply when working indoors.
>>28906273 >wtf Dont know about the vaporizes part, but the gas from it is poisonous and was a plot point in the movie The Pentagon Wars about the Bradley IFV. With that said, god only knows how accurate a comedy movie is when it comes to armor.
>>28906406 Dont listen to this retard. For one, no one is using a thermal lance in a home, it would have set the house on fire. Secondly, even if they did, they'd have a SCBA system; and this asshole doesn't even know what they're called.
>>28906437 >The people here are on heroin and not meth, though They must be on the free heroin and meth program. News flash shithead. Where there is an illegal drug trade there is ancillary crime. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there.
>>28906437 >There's no crime here maybe that's what you think faggot. lots of crime rates are proportionally higher in rural areas (like rape) plus crime are less likely to be reported. but whatever I live in the south so yes there is more meth and crime here. congrats on living in a shining beacon of hope
If someone brings tools and has 3 hours alone with your safe they're getting in. But for the random smash and grab it could save them. That's why you also need some kind of home security and insurance.
Is there a good safe for an apartment? I was considering getting one but I'm wondering if it's worth it because I'm limited to the smaller ones that could easily be walked out with by two people. Can't bolt it down and all. Up to now I've just been hiding my guns as best as I can when I'm out.
Once I buy a house the first things I'm putting in it are a security system and a reinforced concrete room with an armored door in the basement to keep my guns in. The room will have cameras as well.
Until then I keep my firearms in a stack on gun safe in my closet (bolted down) in my first floor apartment. I fucking hate the safety aspect of keeping firearms here... A small prybar is all it would take.
1. Insurance Be sure to keep an accurate record so you can get your claims filed... preferably not in the safe. 2. Alarm The best safes for plebs are lucky if they can last an hour against tools. You need someone to check to stop a thief. 3. Cameras Up to you how you want it connected knowing that they are notoriously unsecure. But being able to get an alert on your phone and look for yourself remotely is a great asset. 4. Dogs Thieves hate dogs. 5. The safe It is the last thing you should buy. Bolt it down. Don't put tools close to it. Heavy gauge steel, not thin metal over drywall like firesafes. Hidden is better, but remember that closets, attics and beds are not going to stop the rest of the ship in your house from being stolen. Which is why the other options are important.
>>28906933 As someone who works in insurance; this.
Most policies don't give a shit about all the measures you took to keep it safe. But if you have the proper documentation as to what it is >make model color year features Where you got it from >purchase receipt, paper trail, emails from seller and other specifics >serial number, photos, photos, photos,
You'll have an easier time with the insurance man. I get really tired of morons telling me they have no idea what they had or blatently lying about it forcing me to call them out on their lack of documentation. Yes Jamal, your $300 a year income, 12 kids, and lack of a car does make me doubt you had a 110 inch 8k television. Please provide documentation? You cant provide it? Then I'm not paying for it.
>>28906706 the point of a safe is to force burglars to invest time into getting to your stuff. time they shouldn't have because the police has been informed by an alarm. no safe will withstand burglars forever, a safe alone will not keep burglars from getting to your stuff.
False wall in a closet, the bathroom closet is best because most thieves never give it a second glance. In my bathroom there is a triangular hollow from where the stairwell into the basement leads. It looks like a piece of the architecture but in actuality it was cut too high and nobody really notices. On one side there is a small gap between the wall, floor, and rest of the structure. Sticking a small pry bar underneath this gap I can pull out the section of the wall I had hollowed out. It's like a hidden drawer only filled with valuable documents, items, and funs. It's not very large though, and I can only fit about 5-6 rifles in there, though I only have 2 and a shotgun there atm. If you looked at it you would just think whoever designed my house is a fucking retard, and it's generally covered by a small wardrobe for towels and laundry. I keep my ammo stored seperately since I live in a commie state and nigger incursions are a very real possibility.
The best thing to keep in mind is that thieves check the obvious spots last, not first. The smaller the better, anything larger than a set of golf clubs will arouse some kind of suspicion to anyone that passes by or see's them. A dummy safe is also a good idea if you wanna store shit in the walls since that will usually be their main focus if and when they find one.
>>28905777 Come on, what are the odds that a negro breaks in your house, either brings a sawzall with him or "borrows" yours from the garage and just straight starts to cut your furniture to shit, hoping to find your funs before you wake up wondering why your neighbors are building a deck this time of night
>not buying a $100 stackon safe and putting it in kitchen completely unlocked >not filling it with airsoft guns with the tips painted over Tyrone is going to grab all of those and not go search for more gimmie days if he thinks he just found like 12 rifles worth $3000 each and a pile of handguns.
Check your policies; most have a hard limit on fire arms, usually somewhere around $2500 or $5000 unless you buy a separate policy for your guns.
Say the worst happens; your house burns down or jamal relieves you of your second amendment rights, you are limited to that and theres nothing you can do. Its for everything involved, ammo, guns, and just about anything else solely for guns.
Check your coverage, up your limits if possible, document the hell out of everything including your ammo counts, and buy a specific policy for the guns if you have a large collection.
two purposes, main reason for such a cheap safe is to keep guns away from kids in the house and low level smash and grab burglars.
If you want moderate protection in a safe it will cost you at least $5,000. Good protection starts around $10,000.
If you want high level protection add a zero or two to that figure. 100,000-1,000,000+ range you are getting into bank tier security where you are making a room in your house into a literal bank vault.
Fun part about that is it can still be beaten given enough time and equipment so you reach a point in safe construction cost where 24 hour armed guards become more cost effective, then its a question of how many and you add in the risk of them turning against you.
>>28908294 >>28907008 >As someone who works in insurance; this. Insuranceanon tell me what went wrong with my claim
>be in car accident >some broad ran a red light and hit me head on while I was making a left hand turn on a green arrow >i say its her fault, cop says its her fault, she admits fault >dont have collision coverage so I have to file a claim against her policy - American Family >AF says the car is totaled >AF says the law says because the car is totaled that they get to keep it >tell them fuck no and look up the law >law says that is only for cars 8 years old or newer >mine was 9 or 10 >call them up and tell them this >magically the car is no longer totaled >magically the accident is now 10% my fault >they say I should have gone slower or faster through the intersection to avoid it >if I had gone faster I would have been speeding and would have ran a red light >going slower is equally retarded as IL law requires you to drive as fast as you can, as long as it is safe and compliant with the speed limit
>>28908499 >Shoot the broad and claim she tried to kill you with her car. Its kind of hard to do that considering back in '07 IL didnt have CCW, and this was in a crowded intersection full of witnesses.
>>28908428 Totaled means the cost to repair the vehicle was higher than 75% book value. If you take the full book value they keep the car and scrap it. You are typically allowed to purchase the car back for the difference in the book value. Get a lawyer and cease communication with the insurance company.
>omw to buy groceries from walmart >in a left most lane >at red light behind 4 or so other vehicles >get rear ended by female >first thing she says when i get out of my truck is "why didn't you just move?" >she calls her dad and i call the police >her dad shows up before the police do >says to me "yeah you shouldn't just slam your brakes when you see a red light like that" >ignore him to prevent bullshit >cop pulls up behind split tails car >her dad waves and shouts "hey jim" >insurance comes in and i'm 50% at fault. Thanks State Farm/North Carolina
>>28908673 >Get a lawyer and cease communication with the insurance company. It was over ~$500 and the lawyer would have cost far more than they were jewing me out of.
>>28908708 >females can't into driving pretty much. with me she said on coming traffic moving so she assumed she had a green light. she didnt think that one direction may have had a green turn arrow and green light and the opposite direction a red light due to rush hour(s) traffic flows.
>>28908723 if you're paying $500 it isnt a safe, its a just a over priced metal box
>>28908673 >Totaled means the cost to repair the vehicle was higher than 75% book value. Also I want to know what fucking book they were using. The estimate was for ~$5500 in damages to the car, and I paid $1950 for. If the mechanics shop didnt jew me and start repairs without authorization I would have more than doubled my money on a used car.
>>28909045 >Did you sign anything at the repair shop? Nope.
>They declared totaled and wanted to pay you the BB value of the car. It was over the Kelly Blue Book value.
>You didn't want that so they reevaluated the claim. I said they couldn't keep the wrecked vehical. I was going to drop it off in my grandma's garage and buy another, keep it around to pull parts off of as most of the removable body panels and all of the power train was still good.
>>28909091 No thats not how the law works. If they pay for something, anything of any age, it becomes their property. You MAY elect to buy it back from them for salvage value. So if they pay you $5k for the car, you want to keep it for $2500, they would pay you $2500 overall and you keep the car.
If the insurance company is saying the repair shop began repairs, ask for a copy of the signed authorization to begin repairs. If they cannot produce that, then its their problem not yours or the insurance.
>>28909091 It happens a lot, my Uncle used to own a body shop. My friend currently owns a body shop.
Insurance claim agents have one job: pay you as little as possible to shut you up. If you are ever in an accident again 1. Always get a police report 2. If you have a body shop you trust tell the tow driver to bring it there 3. Never take the first offer, "Nah, I should probably talk to a lawyer" 4. You are negotiating payment for your wrecked vehicle, rental cars and storage fees are covered no matter what 5. Tell them to mail you the check 6.If it's not worth keeping, just take the money and run 7. If it's totaled and you want to keep it either shop around for the best repair price or tell them to tow it to your house, they will cover this as well, pay nothing 8. The only repairs you really need are what makes it pass state inspection, everything else is optional
For example, say you are hit on the front end of your car and damage is to the headlamp assembly, fender, hood and bumper cover. Estimate to repair all damage comes to $2500 You find a headlamp assembly with bulbs for $150 from a local junkyard Tell insurance company to tow car to your house. They owe you $2500 because that is the value of the damage, tell them to mail you that check. Purchase the headlamp assembly, hammer fender out, install headlamp assembly, keep rest of money as remuneration for driving fucked up car.
Keep in mind though, that if there's a lien on your vehicle, your lienholder will require that it gets restored to pretty much the same condition it was in prior to the accident.
Also look into a diminished value claim. Certain states don't allow this, so you'll have to check.
Diminished value claims basically determine how much you would've been able to sell the car for prior to the accident, and how much you'll be able to sell it after the accident, and they cut you a check for the difference.
This only works if the car is not totaled. Don't ask the insurance company about this, cause they'll lie out the ass to avoid paying you anything.
Get any info you want from Collison Claim Associates.
You might still be able to file for one depending on how long ago the accident occurred. Florida, for instance, gives you 4 years to file one from the date of the accident.
And don't let the insurance company try and tell you that they only have to pay if you sell the vehicle, cause that's bullshit.
>>28906977 I'm thinking about doing that, and then installing some smaller, more discreet cameras. Seems like it's worth it. The idea of having my guns get stolen makes me sick to my stomach, all I have is a shitty steel stack-on cabinet. Also, what are the chances of home insurance rates to drop, do they factor in having a security system?
>>28905800 This, people are incredibly ignorant as to how safe the information they post is.
>Doing background check on guy for work >posted his email and home phone number on online gun message board for discussing/trading/buying/selling >Openly talking about all of his guns, bows, gear, expensive scopes, reloading setup >talks about the area he lives in and his local gun club so know what town he lives in >talks about his physical ailments and medical problems >mentions upcoming hunts, when he will be out of town and for how long
>>28909698 Typically, yes. My insurance went down about $10 per month when I installed a camera system to catch the shitbags fucking with my car.
Turned out the dindu across the street, living in the 1 bedroom apartment with 8 melanin enriched welfare youngins, was making them play outside because they were too loud during "muh Jerry Springer."
Since the best parents know the trick to keeping your kids entertained and out of trouble is to not buy them toys, they played with whatever they could get their hands on, mainly gravel.
The gravel wars were a dark, dark time for my impreza. I ended up showing their landlord the proof, and he gave them the choice to either pay for the damages or he was gonna evict their ass and use their rent money for it.
>>28909945 I learned that the interior is resistant to battery acid, except for the carpeting. I had replaced the battery in it and hadn't gotten around to bringing back the old one for recycling. It collided with a toolbox and sprayed acid everywhere. I didnt notice until a couple days later.
>>28906706 >$1200 safe >a mid-tier bolt gun with a middle of the road optic can easily cross into $1000 >Buying a $1200 safe to hold just one gun Unless you're paying for a storage space for all your hi-points.
I've seen a break-in where it was clear they were there for probably 2 hours; overturning EVERYTHING in the house looking for all possible hiding places for small valuables.
Everyone fears about things that go bump in the night. Best time for being black is in the middle of the day when the homeowner is at work. Get a work truck/van and it looks like they're repairing an appliance.
>>28905708 That's a pretty garbage safe tho. You can see the composite front door revealed by the cut, it's 16 gauge sheet metal sandwiched over foam or drywall. Pic not related, this is three layers of 10 gauge steel, much thicker but still not adequate. A cordless diamond bladed circular saw could have gotten into that safe even faster and more easily.
This is why you do not buy composite doors, or at least stick to composite doors with heavy steel panels at LEAST 1/4" thick, preferably 3/8"+.
>>28906706 A $1200 dollar safe is an expensive gun locker and/or fire resistant box. The facto f the matter is many people know fuck all about safes and see one with a big thick door and big bolts and think it's good. What they don't know is the lock is shit and the construction is of thin steel and hollows to make it look thicker and sturdier than it is. They also don't know about security ratings or that fire ratings are more or less meaningless as there is no proscribed method for testing like tool ratings. So you get companies that capitalize on this and sell what looks like a good sturdy safe with a reputable name slapped on it and few details about the construction shared other than marketing points like thick 12ga construction! They are simultaneously marketing to acrowd that doesn't know what is good and isn't and influencing their perception of what is good.
I can't even remember seeing a tl rated safe a cabelas.
There is a lot to picking a very secure safe and because I'm no expert and I'm still researching and trying to find the best bang for my buck I haven't bought one yet.
You also need to have proper expectations set when you go buying. Do you need a safe to withstand a nuclear blast or really something to keep your guns and your birth certificate protected from a smash and grab burglery or a house fire that the fire department responds to in 10 min. To me high security is appealing but i think more realistic of a concern for most people is fire resistance.
>>28907135 fellow SoIL bro here. Can confirm, STL is a shit hole. >went to get on Metro near AFB >going with GF to Forest park, it's one of her favorite places in STL, and it's her birthday >She wants to go to art museum and zoo as well. >cool I guess >Get onnametro head innacity >metro stops, they're doing construction >tell us to get off, and they'll take us to forest park on a bus >literally shittiest place to get off on metro >get on bus, entire fucking Tyler Perry family is on bus. Literally 4 whites on bus >Dindu women is fucking yelling at an old white man, because he kindly asked if his older wife could sit down >"YOU A PIECE OF SHIT, WHY DON'T YA JUST GET A CAR? YOU CAN AFFORD IT. SOME OF US HAVE TO GET EVERYWHERE ON THIS BUS, AND YOU CAN JUST GET A CAR!" >holyfuckingshit.png >get off near forest park >literally in the niggest part, probably 2 miles from forest park >we're walking through the neighborhood >I'M GOING TO FUCKING DIE.PNG >Get to forest park, enjoy the day. >Head back, and buy a one day bus ticket off a guy, cool dude. >homeless guy gets off buss and asks me for money. >"Don't have any." >"ohhh, alright. take care, anon" >Bird shits on me >fucking christ >Get to metro station again >Nigger is literally leaned over against a wall pissing, and on his cellphone >Get on metro, go home, have sex
>And when you post pictures online on various forums, most cameras and phones encode GPS location/geotags.
If you can into 4chan you pretty much got this covered. Most normies love to post Facebook pictures with their locations in real time, more than often they will accept just about anyone as a friend, cause "why are you so paranoid anon?"
>>28913883 I didn't know anything about safes and went in to a safe dealer wanting to buy a $1000 safe. The guy sat me down and handed me a piece of paper and pencil. He said: >write down everything you're going to put in this safe. Ok... Done. >now write down the value of every item to the right of it. I don't want to see it. Ok... Done >here is a calculator
When I was done I had figured the price to replace it all was around $60,000. >Anon, let's spend 5% of that on protecting it.
Took delivery of a Browning Prestige series safe(10 gauge body)
do you want to know where to hid valuables? Get a big ass laundry basket. Then fill it with dirty clothes. Make sure there are a few tidy whities with skid marks on top. Keep all of your valuables on the bottom. Then buy a $30 fire safe and fill it with sand in bags. They will see the safe and will never think to look under the nasty ass clothes.
>>28905800 >make sure the rest of your house isn't protected by Kwikset tier garbage locks Dude.
Let me dawn something on you.
American house physical security sucks. You don't need to break the lock if you can break the door or the window.
>get a security system. Now you're talking. But this is complicated, too. Modern security systems are wireless and can easily be jammed. Older security systems... why do you need to defeat a door or window sensor if, having just a stud finder, you can cut the fucking stucco wall out and carry most of the shit out of the house through that hole without the alarm being ever tripped?
Real security is expensive. Pick your battles.
I'd start with finding a good neighborhood, preferably with a lot of paranoid work-from-home or retired security conscious neighbors that would call police if the mailman sneezes the wrong way. Bonus, they'll operate their security cameras for your benefit, for it indirectly impacts theirs.
>>28916514 >don't let it be known you have a safe One of problems with safes is that they're obvious to delivery personnel and neighbors. Here's one company I found while doing my research on safes - http://www.zanottiarmor.com/, modular, supposed to come in nondescript boxes. Any anons to figure out or know if the design is worth it or full of shit?
>>28906101 You clearly don't know shit. All the hinges do is hold the door on when it's open. You've got bars that don't actuate on the side where the hinges are, they fall behind the threshold while you're closing it, then the bars that do actuate on the opposite side. The bars hold the door on. Cut the bars or cut the lock and actuate the bars. Only way to open it.
I live in STL... well... JefCo, but unincorporated Eureka (which is St. Louis County. It's complicated). Downtown is a terrible place. Living inside the 270/170 loop is asking to get robbed, and crossing the river is asking to get jacked/killed. It's just a bad plan. I know people that have been pulled over by cops because, and I quote "You have no business being here" (aka being white). They were then escorted by cops with lights on to the nearest highway ramp.
Granted, I deal with white trash and methheads and stuff, but at least they won't attack me for being 'in the wrong part of town.'
>>28916647 Rolla, I'm guessing. If you're in STL it could be Rankin, but you're prolly Rolla.
>>28915033 I personally haven't seen a browing safe I was very impressed by. I'm intrigued by the sturdy safes posted here earlier and I've been intrigued by sportsman steel safes but both require more research. I have also yet to see an amsec safe the impresses me but that seems to be the brand all the locksmiths in my area reccomend.
My budget swings between $3k and $10k depending on how much security I think I need at a given time. >>28916680 A friend of mine has one. He likes it and fits his needs as he will be moving frequently over the next few years. Personally I'm not very impressed by their protection level.
I would think they would need a good reason to be in your house for two hours - they know for a damn fact you've got Good Shit and know for a damn fact you're not going to be there for an extended period of time.
>>28905772 Was trying to buy one of those tables. Was thinking about putting my rarely used long arms in it. Nothing really valuable because no fire resistance. With a table cloth on it someone would have to be in on the secret.
>>28913883 >They also don't know about security ratings or that fire ratings are more or less meaningless as there is no proscribed method for testing like tool ratings. Are you really this retarded? http://ul.com/inside-ul/cracking-the-code-a-glimpse-into-uls-burglary-testing-of-safes/
And regarding fire ratings, UL is again well known for providing these kinds of certification services.
>An audible alarm alone will make a robber more likely to run or not tale the time to literally cut through a safe
You can buy a security camera system at Costco for like $800. It holds 2TB of footage and includes 6 cameras. Just seeing those cameras is a huge deterrent.
Also I recommend a glass break sensor near large windows. As soon as it hears the sound of glass breaking it alarms. They cost like $40 each and can be used in conjunction with your existing security system.
This. People won't hesitate to buy 5 ARs yet they think a big box store "safe" if sufficient for their funs.
All a safe does is buy you time. Even real jewelry safes that have a TL-30 safes only slow someone down.
Buy a higher end gun safe with at least a 7GA body and put it in a corner of your foundation. Higher end safes have multiple relockers, hardened drill plates, 1 1/2 bolts all around and doors with at least 1/2" steel overall. Bolt it to the foundation. Pour a concrete, rebar reinforced wall on the other side. Consider a beat up old used dummy safe loaded with lead ingots that they could waste their time on.
A DVR camera system and an alarm are a huge deterrent. You will have false alarms, but you can remote in and check your shit from your phone if needed. Know your neighbors and have their phone numbers. Buy good homeowners or gun insurance. High end safes come with lifetime burglary insurance that cover the cost of replacing the safe.
They will try to move it first, then attack the lock, then try to cut it and lastly torch it. If you have a decent safe,good location and a good alarm system, they simply won't have the time to do much of anything let alone move your stuff.
Lastly, consider ninja traps. A raspberry pi with a solid state relay can shut off the mains power in your house. With the security and alarm system running on battery backup, they will be in a completely dark room with no use of power tools while the police are already dispatched.
>>28913883 >To me high security is appealing but i think more realistic of a concern for most people is fire resistance. Or just live in a fireproof home... Short of pouring gasoline around around the house, you can't really have a fire in a concrete/ICF house.
>>28906065 I have the good guns in a safe behind a false wall in the basement. I also have a cheap ass shotgun by the door and a cheap ass Taurus pistol laying out. Someone wants a gun they'll grab those.
I never tell people just how many guns I have or everything that I own. Then again, I live so far out in the country the only thing that tends to get stolen is the gas can for my lawnmower.
The stereotype that burglars are all stupid nigger crackheads couldn't be more wrong and is perpetuated by people who have never been burgled.
They're often niggers, and often crackheads, but stupid thieves don't typically don't stay free after their first theft. There are stupid ones, but chances are the one that comes for your shit is going to smarter at stealing shit than you are at protecting it. They know what to take, they know where you're likely to keep it, they know the best times to rob you, and they know how likely you are to be worth the trouble.
Imagine you're poor, have no job prospects to speak of, and the questionable ethics of theft mean absolutely nothing to you. Then imagine you have nothing but all the time in the world to figure out how to steal, and if you do get caught, they'll just send you to a place where all these qualities are assets AND is full of people with nothing but time who will happily teach you to be a better thief for this or that favor. It doesn't take a generally smart person to burgle, it just takes someone who knows about burgling.
>>28920896 You wouldn't believe how much weight you can actually put on drywall with these things. They kick the shit out of any anchors I have seen before. Pretty much the only things that are going to need stud backing in my house are cabinets and the TV mount.
>>28906273 No. Aluminum isn't really able to be cut in the way steel is with an oxyfuel torch, steel cuts by the excess oxygen forming iron oxides and the pressure blowing it out of the cut, it's accelerated pinpoint rusting. Aluminum forms a harder oxide that protects the metal and has a higher melting point, so trying to cut it causes oxides to form that protect the metal as opposed to eat it away. As far as welding goes, you can use oxy-acetylene to weld aluminum (it's hard, you need a fluxer, you need special goggles, a high skill level and good quality gear) but it is doable. Galvanized metal is the shit you don't want to weld or cut without getting the zinc off, you'll end up with metal fume fever.
>>28921325 I do torch, MIG, TIG, and stick primarily. Torch is nice for portability, you can take a couple small tanks and your torch out pretty much anywhere even without power, and it can weld most anything even if it can't cut everything like a plasma cutter. I'd recommend it since I find starting people on torch welding before any arc process has them learning arc much faster, as they started welding with a process where it's easier to see and get a feel for what you are doing. Some places do it for aluminum welding small production run things, as the cost can be better than high end TIG welders, three phase power hookups and the power costs. Mostly the oxyfuel cutting is for scrappers as oxygen propane is really really cheap for chopping things up.
>>28919128 >As soon as it hears the sound of glass breaking it alarms Not that hard to bypass. You put duct tape over the glass and break it genteelly, then just pull the tape off. Although most people do this just not to alert neighbors in urban areas.
Also gun safe reviews guy has a few good articles on his site talking about the differences between gun safes and actual approved safes, construction differences, exactly what an approved safe is rated to withstand, videos of safe testing, etc. Safes keep your stuff protected long enough for police or you to arrive, hidden safes can keep your stuff protected due to it being hidden, but none of them are perfect. Also things like burglar blaster can be helpful.
>>28919990 >you can't really have a fire in a concrete/ICF house. ICF can still burn on the inside, and the foam is only rated for 1500F before it starts to fuel the fire. It's why they are required to have a standoff space between the foam and drywall.
But yes, they can withstand far more than you average home. You pretty much live in a bunker.
>>28905708 Everyone ITT you better take securing your firearms seriously.
I started working in apartment complex security and the #1 type of theft we have is gun theft. These little niglets and spiclets will break into someone's unit (they usually scope out single males as there's less traffic in/out of the unit) and break in while they're gone. Whatever they can fit in their backpacks is what they take. They'll leave expensive ass electronics and shit behind in favor of handguns, which is frightening to think that little 13-16 year old brown kids are out there with guns. Its not just kids but the two groups that have been caught were.
Hide your shit, hide it well, or secure it well. Best option imo is to hide it and secure it. Put it in box springs, inside old hollow speakers, anywhere you think they wouldn't take interest in.
>>28921697 Ey what if... the apartment manager just raised rent like 3$ and put up a quality surveillance/recording system, along with those camera peepholes that snap a pick when someone knocks or rings?
>>28921874 kek get a load of this guy >thinks property managers give a single fuck about anything that happens other than if you destroy your unit or things that are cut and dry stupid liability issues like running around the pool
it's actually better to leave your firearms fully loaded and out in the open because if someone breaks in and sees it they'll think there's something wrong with it and won't take because why would you leave something valuable and dangerous out in the open where anyone could just grab it
>>28921325 torch welder also. no a lot mind you. when I took auto body in HS migs were not in the industry yet. gas welding and brazing were the only methods. I was required to pass 15 different welds to pass the first year alone.
>>28920280 "found $90,000 of the cash in the freezer, in $10,000 increments wrapped in aluminum foil and stuffed inside frozen-food containers". Serial numbers found on the currency in the freezer matched serial numbers of funds given by the FBI to their informant.
>>28921906 >>28921813 Sweet Jesus fuck geese. I was once gang attacked by a gaggle of those murderbirds. Fought tooth and nail back to my car then mowed them down with 263 horsepower of sweet American justice.
>if you`re renting beware of the maintenance man. This asshole is not a 3 trade journeyman working for $9/hr. He is a lying nigger who is casing your house.
>Lock your security fences and treat those locks like your front door. Any windows not behind that fence needs rose bushes in front. Locked fences might be easy to jump but it's scary that you might get slowed down beating a retreat.
>Secure your front door. It should take 10 minutes of roid raging to break it down. Use 3' wood screws to secure the lock plates and hinges. Put a cam above the door. Even a baby monitor. You can look thru the cam to decide if you want to answer and lay ambushes on knock and kicks.
>>28922868 Applied Mathematics, but probably going to switch over to Comptuer Science because I actually want a job. Plus it will pay for my funs. GF is planning on coming here to work on a CS degree as well, so she can go work in software.
I've been tempted to show up to one of the skeet shooting club's meetings. But a women in the club just killer her fiance, who was also in the club. Kind of an awkward time for the club in general.
I love skeet shooting though, and it's probably the most type of shooting I do.
>>28923282 Shitty neighborhoods have the best neighborhood watch. Erica McSoccermom in the gated community might call the police a sketchy guy, but Leory Methhead will crack him right over the head with a baseball bat
>stopped at a light from a four way intersection >In a straight, or left turn, lane >FOB chick to my left in a straight only lane >Light turns >I don't even get halfway through the intersection before dumb bitch tries to make a left turn through my passenger window.
>I'm new to getting my car fucked by women so I don't know to instinctively stop and turn off my car while I await the police's arrival
>Vietnam and I both pull out totalled vehicles into the gas station on the corner of the intersection
>NVA's boyfriend shows up and stares daggers at me while I make sure my brother is ok (he was in the passenger side)
>Ho Chi Minh tells the story for his girlfriend even though he wasn't there
>cop says there is no way to prove who was correct so I can't do shit.
>Insurance company says I can't prove I wasn't at fault.
My way to get into places i don't belong? Torch the hinges https://shop.multipick.com/de/thermolanzen/broco/broco-hot-shot-kit .................you want it , you 'll get it with this baby..https://www.contorion.de/elektrowerkzeug/dewalt-36-0v-4-0ah-winkelschleifer-dc415m2-qw-92440435?gclid=Cj0KEQiA6IC2BRDcjPrjm_istoUBEiQASrLz1sFvlV2VduT94z3zCobq3mD_LyYceJFd6dByG5AnPOEaAok28P8HAQ&aid=74496530188&ef_id=VpHIMgAABFaqsiIp:20160215053133:s&ctt=b2c.....responsible gun owner and hobby safe cracker here.
>>28906279 You never ever did anything wich includes the use of a rotary blade wich touches the surface of metal. The fucks just keeps hardening up! Zinc migth be involved and the surface just turns to soup. Metall is great.
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