why does no other country use the mitznefet?
Does israeli have some kind of copyright?
Imho is a really efficient aid to camouflage oneself
> Why does no other country use the mitznefet?
The Polish army adopted them in small numbers. In the future, they will decide if they're interested to expend it's use.
The US army tested it not that long ago, but I don't know what their conclusions where, and if they have them already.
> Does Israeli have some kind of copyright?
No, but large armies are usually less pragmatic when it comes to adopting a new method, especially relatively new ones (the mitznefet saw it's first appearance as an improvisation by a rookie in camo class only in mid 90's).
The Israeli Defense Force also has a tenancy to do it's own things in it's own way (the "wild card of conventional warfare" if you wish), with people showing interest only in the tech and weaponry.
> Is a really efficient aid to camouflage oneself
Yes. It's basically mini headpiece of a ghillie suit- given to every soldier.
It has secondary functions, such as alteration of the thermal signature of the head, sunstroke protection (US soldiers suffer from in immensely in Iraq, so I heard by reliable members of the board)etc, but the main 2 things that it does are:
1) Concealment: when standing in a crowd, your brain will automatically detect when someone is looking directly into your eyes- it's an evolutionary thing. Same thing your mind does to detect human heads. What the mitznefet does, is to change the shape of the head, and in such way to cancel out the enemy's ability to detect without even thinking, and forces him to look for you in "manual mode"- which makes so much harder, it uses more of his brain's "CPU".
Of coerce, it doesn't help much if you don't use proper concealment and hide yourself with proper technics, but it will help immensely when prone and facing the enemy.
2) Confusion: in continuation to the "recognize the shape of the head manually" part, this also works when in combat. When fighting in open field, and you raise your head above the rock to fire, the enemy again have to manually identify that he's looking at a human head a head. It's not all that much, seconds really, but that one moment of doubt- whether the thing he's looking at is the enemy he should fire at, or part of a rock can often save your life, or doom his.
Same thing happens in urban combat: when the enemy comes around the corner and sees you standing in the window- the additional half second it will take his brain to overcome it's reflex to look for round shapes and understand it's a human standing, is enough time for you to react and fire first.
And if you feel it will get in the way in close quarters,i it can be removed with a single pull without taking the helmet off.
Israelis aren't that sentimental and often go with the "do what needs to be done" attitude. When the only weapons they could lay their hands on during their Independence War where Nazi surplus and spoils, they used them without a second thought. There are still pictures of Jewish soldiers charging into battle with MP-40's and K98K's with SS and swastika engravings.
>when standing in a crowd, your brain will automatically detect when someone is looking directly into your eyes- it's an evolutionary thing. Same thing your mind does to detect human heads. What the mitznefet does, is to change the shape of the head, and in such way to cancel out the enemy's ability to detect without even thinking, and forces him to look for you in "manual mode"- which makes so much harder, it uses more of his brain's "CPU".
what the shit komrade
I never encountered a scrim helmet irl before, so my opinion will mostly theoretical and based on speculation.
And yet, I do think that the Mitznefet is more effective, even if by a small margin. It's form is less resembling of a sphere (key point in camouflage), it's much more adaptable for different situations (Mitznefet's net is duel sided: it's green on one side, but can be turned inside-out to reveal desert camo. It also can be removed in a moments notice if you need to, because it hold unto the helmet by a rubber string, unlike scrim that is often stitched), due to use of a net instead of many fabric stripes- it's slightly lighter (few grams only, so this barely counts). It also has additional uses such alteration of your head's thermal signature (won't hide you, but it's as effective against thermal surveillance as camo pattern on the uniform is against people), sunstroke protection (very important when fighting in desert), there are versions that function as RF filter (extremely recommended for radioman) and even full thermal concealment (special forces toy).
I guess that the scrim helmet is good and should be adopted by more countries, but I also think that mitznefet is just slightly better.
It's not a topic I ever thought about before, so if you have a counter/alternate arguments- I'll like to hear them.
Either make one your self with a camo net and a string, or buy one on Ebay/Israeli sites for 15$-55$.
>not just stuffing half of the forest into your shit
It's actually popular for religious guys in the IDF to match their yarmulke's color to the color of their corp: turquoise for artillery, Purple for Givati, red for paratroopers, dark green for intelligence and so on. The true comedy started when they formed the new Kfir division, whose colors are spotted camo
Miznefet was not something the IDF officialy embraced it was invented by special operation units doing ambushes in Lebanon and spread from there. A lot of things you see in the IDF are just soldiers inventing stuff. It's a way to preserve the guerilla paramilitary spirit of do it yourself attitude of the Hagannah.
> national socialist
Try again my friend. We're capitalist democracy with bit of welfare. It was meant to be a communist state, but last traces of that idea were gone by the time Israel gained it's independence.
And the declaration of independence puts just as much emphasis on "equality of rights, with no difference due to race, sex or religion" as it puts on being "a home for the Jews", so it's also not that much of a "nationalistic" state in the way you seem to imply.
The first one is Meir Har-Zion; perhaps the greatest kebab remover in Israel's history. He and the guy behind him created the Israeli equivalent of the SAS, as well as the commando unit 101- which has legends about it going to this day.
You mean Egoz? I'm pretty sure, and that's after thoroughly investigating it in the army, that it was originally made by a rookie in "yom sadaut", and only later adopted by Egoz (after the impressed rookie commander passed the idea onward) and then the rest of the army.
Let me guess, your bootcamp sergeant told you that story at yom sadaut to make a point about how even a private can contribute, and you still belive it now at the age of 30?
Btw, can you please go to the kitchen and bring me some avkat hashmal?
tested in 2003 breh
2003, everyone was still going for that "we in the future now" look
Actually, no- it was Egoz's intell officer and the the Mitkan Adam deputy commander. Since they told me about it separately, I came to the conclusion that either they both fed from false source, or it's actually true. I found that it's more likely that they're right.
Though having a sergeant saying that as a motivation speech is a neat idea.
And I'm not that old, only 22.
> can you please go to the kitchen and bring me some avkat hashmal?
Sure can buddy!
Because the only alternative to letting millions of Muslim refugees in is blatantly slaughtering Palestinians with weapons classified as war crimes. Fuck off and eat tainted pork, heeb.
Just stop. This is a thread about tactical shower caps.
Purely political discussions should be taken to /int/ and /pol/.
If you have anything of value worth saying about stated topic- go ahead.
That has literally nothing to do with what we're talking about. You're the one that implied a dichotomy of either letting in millions of third-world refugees like swede fags OR kicking them out of their homes so you can burn them to death with white phosphorus like the kikes.
>Skips town to let you do the work, and years later kills you because he wanted to take over your own Holy land.
>"Call me Ishmael, goy..."
Sadly, I don't have a bigger nose painted on the pic related.
>just as much emphasis on "equality of rights, with no difference due to race, sex or religion" as it puts on being "a home for the Jews", so it's also not that much of a "nationalistic" state in the way you seem to imply.
HAHAHAHA. Do you heebs actually believe that? Do you go around preaching equality before or after you go around barbecuing brown people in the name of some dumb kike who got lost in the desert because he was a schizophrenic idiot?
Every rookie goes through the stage of
> "you there, go to the warehouse and bring me powdered electricity"
> "what do you mean they don't have it? Does it look like I care for your excuses?..."
Continued scaring of him with punished and making him run around the base looking for powdered electricity until he desperately asks for help from his friends that either evilly try to help him, or are kind enough to reveal to him the fact that he has Autism.
>Israel is evil for removing kebab in self defence
People need to get over the leftist meme how israel is so mean and evil. They're literally being as lenient as they can with the muslim scum down there.
Theres stuff like this everywhere. In Germany, new guys get set to collect the "key to the assembly area" or "frequency water" for radios (usually they return with two 25l jerrycans full of water).
>live in Palestine for a thousand years
>sorry Mustafa, Big Book 'o Bullshit and the UN says dis my land now
>entire family put in concentration camp
>throw rock at trespassing thieves
>suddenly bad guys
>Jews peacefully arrive
>Try to kick them out just because
>Run away like a coward while your peaceful arab neighbour lives peacefully and properous among the jews
>Get put into concentration camp by arab "brothers" (Israel meanwhile accepts a bunch of unrelated jews thrown out all over the muslim world)
>Try to kick them out again
>Get occupied because that's how it works after a war
>Refuse to cooperate, keep killing jews
>Wonder why they won't stop holding you down
Arabs gonna arab.
Being a right winger myself, I consider the immigration thing shady too (though most modern people fully accept it when arabs do it in europe, so they have no right to criticize.) Even so, similar numbers of jews had to flee the arab world as arabs fled palestine, so I'd consider it even.
It just so happens that no jew ever wanted to return to bagdad or kairo, while arabs can't shut up about palestine. A
I didn't say shit about immigration, Jews invaded a land that wasn't theirs - that fucking simple.
This is coming from a Texan, someone who has no reason to even talk about this shit. I'm just saying - as much as I fucking hate muslims, Jews are no different; it just bothered to see "peacefully arrive" and "kick them out just because" - it's fucking retarded to think that situation would ever be possible if Jews just didn't stick to their own fucking corner.
Now we have a 2,000 year war rekindled because of a fucking book.
Fuck everyone, but especially that poster for downplaying the Jews role in severely pissing off a local populace.
There was a minority of Jews living in Palestine continuously before the Zionist movement got started. Zionist immigration got started through legal purchases of land from Arab landowners.
I personally prefer these Marom Dolphin covers.
I already released when they introduced.
What's their point again? Just cohesion with the uniform when you don't use mitznefet?
If the answer is yes- than why again the army, once again, spends money on looking cool instead of buying something valuable?
But from your answer I understand it's vasah indeed.
Also, this fabric looks like the kind that gets stuck on every thing, like the supporting cushions on backpacks. Is it a problem?
Also, got any cool new pics for the next /thg/ thread?
>legal purchases of land from Arab landowners.
So they "legally purchased" the entire country, installed an oppressive government and started bulldozing Palestinian homes.
Sorry, Menachmen, no one's buying that.
>Also, this fabric looks like the kind that gets stuck on every thing, like the supporting cushions on backpacks. Is it a problem?
No, it's not much of a problem.
>Also, got any cool new pics for the next /thg/ thread?
Not really. We started packing up and preparing to move up north.
Agreed, it looks like an oversized camo wash cap.