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Out of curiosity, would a plasma gun actually be a feasible thing in real life?

These things show up all the time in the sci-fi genre, generally as some powerful weapons, but there doesn't seem to be much merit to the idea. Now I ain't a physicist or whatever, but basically shooting ball lightning at people sounds like it would be really shitty in small arms technology.
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>>28863114
Project MARAUDER proved that plasma weapons work back in the 1990s. Who knows what happened to it after it was officially cancelled.
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>>28863294
Absolute madmen!
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I've been fascinated by plasma weaponry ever since "Turok: Dinosaur Hunter".
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>>28863114
Just change a railgun's projectile to plasma
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>>28863294
From the wiki

>The weapon was able to produce doughnut shaped rings of plasma and balls of lightning that exploded with devastating effects when hitting its target.


Shiiiiieeeeeettttttt
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>>28863114
Our biggest problem with these, and energy weapons in general, is power supply. We just don't have the batteries (capacitors, I know) to run one in any sensibly portable package.

The second biggest problem with a plasma weapon has always been containment. The thermal bloom associated with the dissipation of a high-energy plasma toroid is a little bit insane. Something like this fired into a building (especially sandpeople mud huts) would turn it into an easy bake oven.

We ever figure these out, though, and they'll probably be more like an incendiary grenade launcher and area of effect weapon than a true plasma rifle. Hell of a friendly fire hazard too. Wouldn't want to be within twenty meters of something like that firing.
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>>28863651
>tfw shitty batteries are pretty much the only thing keep use from having small arms gauss rifles
I want my fucking magnet projectile going super fast, someone figure that shit out already!
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>>28863690
Get a long metal pipe and get thick copper wire spiraling around it and connect a few semi truck batteries and there you go you got yourself a magnetic rifle.
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>>28863690
Gauss saturation would keep projectiles too slow
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>>28863114
The physics check out and in theory it would be pretty effective, only two things limit it however (based on limited research I have done on this)

Battery capacity is not really anywhere near the point where this is feasible

I understand plasma could be ejected electromagnetically in a straight "beam" but I would imagine the range would be limited and the plasma "beam" would dissipate quickly.
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really depends what you mean by "plasma gun"
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>>28863567
Why the fuck are we not funding this.
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>>28863998
We are. It was officially canceled, but with how effective it was there is no doubt in my mind that it is still being worked on in secret.
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>>28863998
We've kept it deep under wraps, ready to be pulled out for WWIII to barbecue Chinks and Russkies with beautiful radiant purifying plasma.
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A better more likely mid term tech is using a massive electric charge to create a plasma ignition of propellant to throw a conventional slug at crazy energy levels.

Electrothermal-chemical. ETC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrothermal-chemical_technology
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>>28863998
Oh, that shit's funded, anon. We're saving it along with a few other nasty surprises for a very rainy day.
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>>28864127
I've always thought this would be an excellent way to chuck lead.
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>>28864142
for when the ayys invade?
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>>28864226
D-Do you think the Federal gov't would arm everyone with them when the ayys invade?
I wanna plasma rifle dooood
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>>28863114
>Mlok confirmed rail of choice year 2846
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>>28864249
For every man, woman, and child
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>>28864274
To be fair, we could literally weaponize our earth against anything we've collected biological samples of.

kek, we just made our entire earth give us cancer in 40 years, but guess what ayy lmao, you immediately get what we've named "space aids" Which is like 200 entirely different airborne terminal viruses.
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>>28864342
I want to give a bunch of ayys space aids
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>>28864274
>Everyone getting a borderline recoil-less rifle that never has to be cleaned shooting hot, 4th state of matter death at our enemies
Holy shit, I pray I live to see the day
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>>28863567
>pic
too soon!
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>>28864354
Do not fuck the ayys
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>>28864994
but /tg/ said...
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>>28865015
I don't care, I've kinkshamed them, and I'm sure as hell gonna kinkshame you.
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>>28864585
I'll be old by then
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US Army can use lasers to make lighting strike anywhere they want.

An airplane flying just below a storm cloud could make lightning strike valuable targets with plausible deniability.
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>>28863114
Think it can do better than the 40-watt range?
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>>28863457
>not doom
what the fuck man
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>>28864994
Why?
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I've got a question. Would the ATF piss themselves over it? And could it legally be described as a destructive device?
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>>28865083
God-Emperor Trump-San wouldn't allow it.
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>>28865122
>>>/pol/
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>>28863998
i think i just realized why the f35 costs so much.
same for the rest of our shit. funding for these mad scientist tier weapons
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>>28865171
>Someday there will be a Plasma BRRRT
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>>28864099
>Russkies
they will actually have a decent military by then, I thought only the Chinks would be ready
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>>28863998
It wasn't canceled. It was a test that was so successful that the military immediately classified it and now we have no idea what the status is.

The black budget is a thing, and things like MARAUDER is what it goes towards.
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>>28865086
Chances are if it ever does become public it will never be legal for citizens to own it anywhere, rail guns maybe but a plasma rifle? Shit man, they'd arrest people just for holding one in their dreams.
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>>28863651
>Something like this fired into a building (especially sandpeople mud huts) would turn it into an easy bake oven.
Fund it.
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Plasma Guns are nothing more than a scifi meme. In real life, Plasma would be like having a gas rifle. Plasma dissipates quickly and it is easy to disrupt with magnetic fields. If you have a electromagnetic field capable of containing a plasma shot over long distances, why not just use the electromagnetic field as a weapon?
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>>28865960
Not as sci-fi as you might think.
How to Make a High Power Vortex Cannon: http://youtu.be/qyMKhM1yxnE

The trick is cramming a HERF emitter inside the vortex cone. Instead of smoke fire a ring of energized gas.
Microwave Plasma 2: http://youtu.be/A7RFyh5ABcQ
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>>28863998
all these Sci-fi concepts are currently real and practical. We are just waiting for a suitable portable power source (batteries) to actually develop them.
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>>28863690
Actually made a gauss rifle in school. It's a little bit harder than that but not by much. If you got a bigass bank of capacitors you could make something that could probably seriously wound someone, make that a multistage gauss rifle with multiple capacitor banks and shits getting lethal. A fallout style gauss rifle isnt too far off.
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>>28866356
Should add that it was duct taped to ply wood, ran off of an outlet, and shot little cut up screws about 12 feet, but hey, the potential's there.
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>>28866340
>practical
Plasma would suffer from poor performance at range. It's just hot ionized gas, which is not exactly dense, and therefore will diffuse quickly when fired in atmosphere. It's completely impractical for military purposes.
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>>28866371
>implying range is a problem

>plasma shotguns
>laser bullpups
>railgun sniper rifles

I'm ready for the future.
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>>28863114
As others have stated, nope.

Dispersion is a bitch.
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Plasma weapons are a lazy go between lasers and rail guns.
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>>28866387
We already have things that can burn people at close range, and they don't require future spaceman technology.
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>>28863998
>expensive as shit
>doesn't really do much over pre-existing systems other than cost more with more kinks to be hammered out
I know you're all children that want to live out your sci-fi fantasies but its the same deal as the flying car, its an impractical idea with little benefit.
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>>28866405

The proliferation of ATGMs has left something to be said for weapons and munitions that don't cook off when hit by an explosion - but a railgun is probably more practical than a plasma cannon, and we all know that railguns are a bitch.
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>>28866448
>we all know that railguns are a bitch.

If only you really did...
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>>28865219
>>28865171
>When you realize that the A-10s are being phased out so they can install this shit for the main gun.
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>>28866400
Yeah but plasma is 50,000 degrees. Fifty god damned thousand!
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>>28866712
>Yeah but plasma is 50,000 degrees. Fifty god damned thousand!

And the volume and mass of ionized gas at that temperature is comically small.
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>>28865171
What if they're publicly funding these laughing stock pieces of shit so that nobody will dig deeper and see the mad scientist-tier shit they're coming up with.
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>>28864342
We don't even need to weaponize it. Our earth literally comes with ayyyy lmao defense.

The second they land they'll be exposed to the bubonic plaque, polio, influenza, gingivitis, rabies, scabies, trench foot,stomach bugs, kuru, the common cold, measles, mumps, and gonorrhea
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>>28867055
>bubonic plaque
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>>28865171
>>28866899
I thought everyone already knew this, I mean why do you think so many projects go over budget?
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>>28863651
Hitler would have loved it.no need to go gather the jews and force them into ovens.Bake the right at home!
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>>28867135
Them*
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>>28863114
>Put gas in a container
>Heat said gas to redonkulous temperatures to make it become fully ionized gas (=plasma)
>Somehow shoot the hot gas at a target
>.....???
>Profit

Disregard everything what you have read in this thread, plasma weapons are useless in practice and everything that advocates for them is a hoax.
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>>28866712
So weapons that can incinerate soft targets and turn tanks into ovens? Cool.
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>>28867123
>jewdad from indebendence bay
>y u thik toylet seet cost 4hubred dollabs?? BD :D :D BD
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yes, but you're screwed if you role a 1
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>>28867526
Not necessarily.
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>>28866405
>Anything that's more advanced than rusty slavshit is shit and if you disagree with me then ur just a child
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What exactly is a plasma gun? Are we just talking about superheated gasses/fourth state of matter focused into a coherent weapon? If so, I think it might work well as a shaped charge, as we already use plasma torches in welding. Perhaps something like Super Thermite that can eat through tanks (Shoot a solid shot at something, internal reaction causes plasma which melts through anything it touches.).
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>All these fuckers who think MARAUDER was cancelled because muh seckret projectsz)))

More likely outcome that it went all of 3 feet and would have cooked the operator because good luck containing plasma without magnets out to tactical distances
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>>28867586
Fifth state
Superfluids are a thing
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>>28867526
Doesn't negate armour saves and it's ONLY on a 1 in 7th. Back in 4th, rapid fire and heavy plasma guns overheated on a 1+1 for each subsequent shot. I refused to play plasmarines for a long time because of the trauma, then they changed the rules.
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>>28867558
I hear that's been changed. Vehicles suffer damage from plasma, though it's usually not fatal. Also, it's not like the old days where a gets hot wound kills the plasma operator and someone else picks up his weapon, now he dies and everyone else is too afraid to touch it (So no more allocating wounds to lasrifle guardsmen.).
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>>28863651
So today, kids, we are going to show you how to flash boil some kebab meat. I'm here with my trusty ZX734 Plasma launcher manufactured by Kel-Tek(from design ideas sent in by an anonymous source) and over there is our target, an mud hut filed with "volunteers." The mud hut is super important, it locks in the heat. Really seals in the juices. Let's get cooking.

(Fire gun and watch results then cut back to dude with gun)

Wow now that was awesome. Let's go look at our meat.

(Cut to inside of hut where you see a pile of charred corpses)

You see now we cooked them to well done. If you want medium or rare you need to use a different gun. Probably one that shoots bullets. But if you are a fan of well done or just destroying your food before eating it/tea bagging it then then ZX734 is the weapon for you.
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>>28863542
railguns do produce plasma. typically an aluminum sheet is vaporized into plasma, the plasma is "pushed" out of the barrel using the polarization of the rails, and the projectile rides the plasma "wave" out of the barrel.
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>>28865086
FDA already regulates high power lasers.
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>>28867706
FCC you mean.
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>>28867591
Yeah all we have to do to make it work is have matter at ridiculously low temperatures, orders of magnitude lower than we can sustain for a length of time with current technology.

Except we're talking about plasma, superheated gas.

Superfluids don't work that way.
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>>28866400
Require and need are two words that don't apply. Want is all that matters and we wants it.
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>>28867706
Sorry, I was wrong in >>28867714. CFR 21 Section 1040.10 clearly states FDA
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>>28864099
Chinas military is shit mane, made up of two different sectors, composed of fat starcraft playing nerds and hentai anime characters irl
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>>28867558
>dreadnaught
>mfw collective flashbacks of the fate of Lord Daggan
just kill me now
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>This thread
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>>28865344
How big is this budget?
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>>28868483
https://www.rt.com/usa/snowden-leak-black-budget-176/
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>>28864226
I doubt ayylmaos would actually invade. I think one of three scenarios would play out: They think we're such assholes that they glass us from orbit, they think we have potential so they invite us into their galactic club, or they leave us the fuck alone and let our fates play out as they will.

The plasma weapon stuff will be for toasting chinks, as another anon already mentioned. Russia's ability to project any kind of force will continue to diminish.
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>>28864249
The Feds will be in on it, guaranteed.
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>>28865041
This is very much a legit thing. The laser beam super heats the air it passes through turning it into a super conductive plasma, which lightning will zip right through with next to no resistance. Down side is the laser platform will be struck as well. Might work as a single use thing with a drone though.
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>>28868530
what if the ayy's want our resources AND want to eat us. That would force ground combat
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>>28868608
What if they want to process all of us into raw biological material and make themselves new bodies because theirs have withered and atrophied over thousands of years of relying on their psionic abilities
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>>28865028
I like you
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>>28867123
General incompetents, mostly because it lets me sleep better at night
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>>28865132
>>>/reddit/
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>>28868960
To know what reddit is, one must visit reddit on a regular basis.

>>>/reddit/
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>>28869042
if you try to shut somone out by saying go back to pol you must come from reddit
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>>28869074
I browse /pol/ on a regular basis. That is how I know what I mean when I say back to >>>/pol/
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>YFW all of Tesla's work on particle weapons was stolen
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THE REAL QUESTION IS...

Can you have a rifle that kills AND cooks whatever animal you're shooting?

Can you choose between a "medium rare" to "well done"?

Imagine an AR with those engravings by the selector, and it actually works.
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>>28865219
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>>28869157

Get a rifle that can fire .303 DeWilde :^)
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>>28867666
Thanks grandpa
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>>28866201
Serious about this guys. A HERF canon, crossed with a vortex canon filled with gas instead of air.

Fire a doughnut of high voltage 50,000 degree fire with the force to knock down small structures.

You don't need railgun like magnetic fields to direct plasma if its a concussion wave of gas being energized in mid air.

Vortex Cannon! - Bang Goes the Theory Preview - B…: http://youtu.be/IyAyd4WnvhU

Now imagine that being energized like picrelated.
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>>28868663
Tygan, go back to the lab
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>>28869768
And weve seen it depicted in movies. Think about the animation for the e-web.
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>>28869768
Thats not a tactically significant range, and it requires a very large chamber.

I also doubt that it wouldn't simply lose most of its energy, or expand quickly enough for its impact to be not particuarly worth it
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>>28863567
>almost no sources
Sorry to burst your bubble, m8
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>>28867055
>Not creating a virus with traits from both the common cold and Ebola
It's like you don't want the ayys to cough and sneeze Ebola everywhere.
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>>28869120
Go home, Gooseman.
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>>28863542
Why not both? Use a hybrid armature-style railgun. Uses a non-magnetic projectile (tungsten, DU) and is pushed by the ionized aluminum gas. You get the ballistic properties of whatever projectile you pick along with spraying plasma gas all over the fucking place.
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>>28867666
Is it weird I read that in Hikock 45's voice?
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>>28870878
I did too anon
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>>28866371
Why not plasma as a space weapon then?
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>>28869767
Y-y-y-your w-w-welcome
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Plasma weapons are not viable because there is no known method to maintain cohesion of the projectile. It's the weapon equivalent of blowing cigar smoke in your opponent's face. Also, they are basically just mass accelerators, and offer no advantages over more traditional mass acceleration weapons, like bullets.
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>>28863567
If this is true, then that means the most accurate depiction of plasma weapons comes from old movies where the space guns would shoot out circles of different color lights.
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>>28871806

>no advantages

I don't know about that. Since it would be causing extreme thermal damage, rather than killing by poking holes in things, it would make traditional body armor completely worthless. And it would cause some truly horrific injuries. It would be like putting a potato in the microwave without poking holes in it first, only a person.

If powerful enough, it could even melt through the armor of vehicles.
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>>28869120
This is one of my favorite things to believe; he was too crazy to not have hit on something important.
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>>28863998
http://www.rense.com/general40/secret.htm
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>>28868567
lightning strikes on airplanes in flight are a non issue. The energy goes around the airplane. Airliners get struck all the time with little issue.
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