Why do post-Cold War ships all have this strange sort of grey Nintendo casing look? What is it made of?
Anyone else find these ships hideous yet gorgeous at the same time?
Reminds me of early 3D graphics.
Interesting. I figured it might be anti-flash or something. But why are they so much bulkier looking than ships in the past? Do they have more armour now?
Another separate question as well, but related... I've seen what an Exocet can do to an old style ship, how would one of these new ships fare if hit by an ASM?
I know what you mean. They kind of look like plastic toys, but they look like cool toys that are fun to play with. They don't look intimidating the way a battleship bristling with guns did. In fact, it seems like it's often difficult to even see a modern warship's armaments unless you know where to look. Usually all I can spot is the CWIS.
Japs knew how to build a ship to be cool-looking. Just look at that pagoda mast.
They tend to have less armor, but look bulker but sleeker because of changing radar designs use large, flat surfaces rather then parabolic dishes, and the antennas they do use tend to be covered in plastic domes to protect them from weather.
A hit from a large ASM breaches the side of a ship and filled the interior with liquid copper, fire and bits of the side of the ship, as well as a what is left of the missile. Secondary fires and explosions occur. On a large ship, a limited number of compartments will be breached. On a small ship, the damage may be universal and cause the structure of the ship to fail outright.
Getting hit by one is a Very Bad Thing, and ship suitability focuses on not letting that happen.
the last deck is 130ft above the water
can you imagine what i must feel like to be that high on top of all these guns
what an amazing sight it must have been
If I was the captain, I'd have a lounge chair outside on the highest deck, so I could sit and smoke while towering over the ocean and watching the sun set over the task force formation. Maximum comfy...
I find Fusou's pagoda the most exciting. Her displacement is very exciting in design spec doujinshi.
Yeah, that does sound bad. I guess it's gotten to the point where it's impractical to mount enough armour on a ship to defend it from a missile?
Indeed. You'd need something about equal to the armor of a Iowa class battleship to resist them. While fast battleships could accept such an investment in defense it's impractical for anything else, especially when the obvious counter would be to simply shoot you with an even larger missile. (It's easier to build a huge missile then a huge armored ship.)
What does /k/ think of Japan's 'helicopter destroyers'?
>Needs tugboats to move
It looks like the recent War Act in Japan means they're getting geared up for war with who knows who. I think it would be nice if a Pan-Asian Coalition could liberate North Korea.
Mr. Kim, tear down this wall.
I love the smaller battle boats. They could have crammed two more ASMs on this one.. plus some torpedoes :/
Pegasus class hydrofoil!!
I love this one :)
I also think they could have crammed a little more on it.
Sparviero class missile boat!!
Would it even be possible to cram two torps on it for removing submarine?
I really like one. Stylish.
It needs anti air missiles though :/
I've gotta side with North Korea. Their first interaction with the western world was an American merchant that opened cannon fire on them for refusing to trade with him.
And then Americans came back and tore the nation in two...
We did nuke Japan so maybe they liked that.
But overall, Korea has had negative experiences with us.
And we are STILL trying to control their lives.
We should leave them alone.
>The US is to blame for the Korean War
No. Most liberals don't think that.
I think he's thinking of special ed students. They don't do a course on 20th century history in remedial how not to eat glue and masturbate in public class.
/k/ is neither (American) "Liberal" or "Conservative". /k/ is for guns and the right to have them. Anyone who supports this will be liked and the reverse is also true. E.g. Reagenites are not welcome here.
because it's, you know, undisputed fact amongst most people that actually know things.
The main difference is in what we're gonna do about it. Lots of liberals want to get all sad and apologize for shit, everyone else just wants to get on with life.
I'd prefer they'd spend money on feeding their own people instead of nuclear weapon development and relying on China to foot the food bill. Even China is getting sick of this shit at this point.
I never said we started the Korean war. We might have, though.. there's a lot of stuff they don't put in books. What do you think a North Korean kid reads about in history class? Think it's the same book you read?
I'm not university educated. I crapped out of technical college after a year or two. I couldn't cut it.... kept falling asleep during class. THE SAME SHIT I LEARNED IN HIGHSCOOL.
I'm glad I dropped out. The system wants you to get in debt for your entire life. Debt slavery.
I'm don't feel sorry FOR ANYTHING I read about in history. I didn't do that shit.
Wouldn't you want to have nukes too?? Look at Iran, they have America occupying two countries on their borders... on opposite sides. We have them surrounded. Developing nukes is the smartest thing they could do.
I was going through divorce, working as an assistant manager at a restaurant, AND trying to go to college. I've got a kid, too.
I couldn't do it.
I tried but I literally couldn't stay awake and meth is illegal.
1. get on better terms with their largest ally (China)
2. Get agricultural infrastructure built to feed the nation to a decent degree
THEN you can work on nukes. Being on good terms with China should be a big enough deterrent until the nation stabilizes.
This is from the perspective of the whole nation being state run. if there was an economy, the food situation would mostly solve itself over time, freeing up government dollars to R&D military research.
Just imagine what would happen if Kim fell... When Germany was being reunified, it cost shit tons of money, NK is so behind it would ruin SK and they know that, so even SK would not support removing the lardass
Because taxpayers are paying for it, gone are the times where only guys like ships. Now, the navy needs to be metro sexual, Even black guys pay taxes to float that damn thing.
I believe that some white house officials were telling North korea that we wouldn't defend the south
Same shit that started the first gulf war, telling Saddam we wouldn't defend kuwait.
And ofc the only reason north korea even existed in the first place is because they asked soviets to invade japan.
OUR SHIPS NEED ARMOR
Not as much as WW2 battleships, but enough to prevent a dingy disabling a destroyer.
>You have to reunify the Koreas just like how Germany reunified
Nah, puppet government, lots of private investment and taking small bites at a time would allow the South to take them back in over a period of 30+ years.
Do you nerds really think that the far right wing Japanese government built brand new state of the art warships without those capabilities, or that a country as resourceful as grorious Nippon cannot modify them easily? I think y'all are nerds and bakas desu, senpais.
It does though! Doesn't it remind you of Nintendo casing?
Is there accurate information anywhere about what chances American CWIS have against a cruise missile? I can't imagine they have a ton of armor, despite what Super Robot Wars tried to teach me
Have you heard of the USS Stark? It was hit by two exocets. It was an Oliver Hazard Perry class, so not exactly new. But its somewhat recent.
If I remember correctly I think one of the missiles failed to detonate but the first one did.
I really hate the term "Millennials"
it sounds so self serving, I prefer "Generation Y"
(also most data groups call "Millennials" anyone currently 18-34, as much as the older end would rather be called Gen X)
>Why do post-Cold War ships all have this strange sort of grey Nintendo casing look?
Because laws of physics. Stealth, reducing radar cross secrion. Grey color... best average camo in most seas.
>What is it made of?
Aluminum, glassfibre, carbonfibre, balsawood, radar absorbing materials..
>Or are modern warships like modern cars, just a bunch of collapsible fiberglass?
Modern cars use more steel their collapsible structures. Modern warships deal with damage by compartmentalization, burn everything in this compartment, hopefully we can keep fire out of next compartment.
no they build that damn ship with exact capability they had in mind
how many times we will have this discussion again
it is a major asw ship with good fleet command capability, 2 things essential for a navy that with every possible adversary will face large and robust submarine fleet
a gimped down light carrier is not a thing japanese need or want
>entire world sues
tbqh senpai, China mostly grumbles about it but it's not like they like anything to do with Japan's military in the first place, sort of like Pierre Sprey and the F-35. Nobody else really cares, besides the Japanese themselves.
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Modern warships don't rely on armor at all. They rely on detection, either avoiding detection or defecting the enemy first, and they rely on anti-missile defenses like ECM, chaff, decoys, jamming, or intercepting missiles. The armor that would be required to stop modern antiship missiles would be extremely heavy and expensive, and still limited effectiveness.
So yeah, they pretty much are made of tinfoil and dreams.
And as we've seen with the Cole, not having MINIMUM armor is a mistake.
The Cole has two 25 mm, four .50 cals, two CIWS, and a 5 inch deck gun.
It got kamikazed by a fiberglass boat.
And suffered minor damage that in no way hindered its mission (of sitting there being a giant juicy target for suicide bombers in fiberglass boats that it wasn't allowed to shoot at).
>>And suffered minor damage
>17 dead, 49 injured
>40x60 foot hole at waterline
>took 3 days to control the damage
That major damage. The entire fucking ship had to be lifted out of the water.
>the deck isn't heat resistant enough to not melt under the jet blast.
Found to be a non-issue on even the untreated USMC mini-carriers, the Japs could have them land and take off no problem.
If anything the USS Cole showed how essential security is for a ship when it's berthed and also the importance of alliances (The first ship on the scene to assist with damage control was a Royal Navy frigate, the sailors were treated in a French military hospital in Djibouti, etc)
>I never said we started the Korean war. We might have, though.. there's a lot of stuff they don't put in books. What do you think a North Korean kid reads about in history class? Think it's the same book you read?
what kind of fucking retard are you
don't be so open minded that your brains fall out
oh look it already happened
what if actually the north koreans are children of dragons and the west started the war because they were jealous? that's not in any books but it might be true
you're not a liberal, you're a fucking retard incapabel of imposing any discipline on your own thought processes
>And as we've seen with the Cole, not having MINIMUM armor is a mistake.
it was a 300kg shaped charge detonated right against the hull. good luck finding a 9000t ww2 ship that would shrug that off.
except they actually don't. the reason they are is because otherwise the regime, which is brutally incompetent, would lose power like the majority of horrific socialist dictatorships have done.
If I remember correctly, during the Falklands war an Exocet that didn't detonate created more damage in a British Frigate than one that did detonate, the fuel had time to spread inside the ship before exploding where the one that did detonate was barely inside the ship and only created a huge hole.
Despite what everyone says about F-35Bs, I will claim that it isn't set up for them at all. It is set up for what the Japanese NEED. They do not need a true CV. They have land based aviation. What they DO need is as much ASW as they can get, seeing as China is right fucking there. And that means ASW helicopters. Hence DDHs. The DDH designation has its origins in the fucking 50s. Until recently, they looked like normal destroyers. Now, they're flat tops, because flat tops can hold more helicopters.
So please, before you retards start saying "muh F-35B", look at its lineage, and then realize it is in no way set up for it. The elevators aren't big enough or strong enough. The deck aren't heat treated. They are meant for only helicopters.
Hell they're 20,000 tons and the smallest ship capable of operating the F-35 is 40,000 tons AND needed $170 million in refits to even make that happen.
The idea that anything with a flat deck can operate an F-35 is pure ignorance.
>one surprise terrorist attack using unconventional methods
>worth loading down every ship in the navy with armor that is useless against everything else the ship will ever face
>worth spending all that money and weight
come on man.
>can you imagine what i must feel like to be that high on top of all these guns
yes, it'd feel like you were in a nightmarish storm on the smoothest fucking seas.
The tonnage doesn't particularly matter here. Remember that the American LHDs and the like are amphibious assault ships first and foremost. Most of their space is devoted to the Marines, which means tonnage is spent on them. A 20,000 ton ship SHOULD be able to launch an F-35B just fine, it's just that these 20,000 ton ships are in no way set up for it. If they went in and had a massive refit where the elevators, deck, and hangars were all revamped, probably. Oh, and adding a larger ammunition bunker.
I think it's clear that these DDH's aren't designed for the F-35, but the idea of future modifications to accommodate it is interesting. Putting out maybe a dozen of these DDH's each carrying a section of F-35's would make for really nice air coverage.
The roles have reversed. Engineering officers are where it's at. Navigators are glorified desk monkeys who call the engineers the second their radar breaks down because school doesn't teach visual collision avoidance anymore.
>who call the engineers the second their radar breaks down
They do this out of generosity and benevolence, to give the engineer a glimpse of the outside world before they have to scurry back down to their dungeon.
Not necessarily. Most fast non-supercavitating torpedos tend to max out at 50-55kn, so some might outrun the boat. Of course, if speed is so critical, then supercavitating torpedoes are the only choice, or maybe some sort of compact ASROC system.
New anon stepping in, outrunning the torpedo isn't necessarily running faster than it, but running fast enough away that it takes too long to catch you, thus running out of fuel.
>(also most data groups call "Millennials" anyone currently 18-34, as much as the older end would rather be called Gen X)
The Harvard center classifies anyone born between 1964-1984. So suck it millennial faggot.
Mark my words, the day someone makes a sea-worthy version of the BMP-1 is the day the world burns.
>because school doesn't teach visual collision avoidance anymore
The officers that stand watch on my bridge do almost everything by eyes and chart while my guys down in CIC back them up electronically
I don't have any weed, though. And the marihuanas murder people.
I love German PT boats. They were like mini destroyers. Cannons, AA, torpedoes, and depth charges in such a small package.
Mfw my country is so fucking cucked we use 30 year old miniature ships.
Mini ships can still be kickass and have an amazing cannon, ASMs, AA, torps, etc.
Here's a concept I like... a fast attack craft mothership.
A 30 knot ship armed with a 57 and a 40mm bofors cannon, 4 40cm torpedoes, 68 mines and 8 ASMs (alternatively 6 53cm torpedoes) is pretty baller. Sad that it's been shredded.