Pro gun thread

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>>22830181

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>>22830196

>>22830196
That could be shooting yourself in the foot.
>they are both useful for spree baby killin'

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>>22830209

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>>22830219
Its not gonna deter the people who actually give everytown money, but the people on facebook who don't know better either way and just thing "Black rifle=scary death", it could make them think about it.

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>>22830244

>>22830209

>implying women can handle a gun

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>>22830209

>mfw my fiancee actually said this, that she'd rather be raped and murdered than have to kill someone in self-defense
>mfw she said if I was on my knees about to be executed at gunpoint and she had a gun and could stop it, she wouldn't because it'd be "taking a life unnecessarily"
>mfw she'd rather let me die and then die herself than shoot someone
>mfw we're not together anymore

>>22830297

Call her bluff

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>>22830297
thats fucked up yo

>>22830311

Just thought I'd let you know that there are really people who believe that shit.

I thought it was just a silly /k/ parody of the Brady Bunch, but this is a real opinion that people hold: self-defense is evil and you should just let yourself become a victim.

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>>22830311

Love how amerifats try to boil everything down to a
>pro-choice or pro-life
kinda thing. Eliminates any hope of having a proper debate.

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>>22830327
I know brady party line started saying that after that pic started circulating, I've just never actually met someone who thinks that.

Can we have a nuclear war now? All these people who don't believe in self defense will make great fieldhands/bed slaves

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>>22830336

My way or the highway, Yuropoor. Sorry you feel the need to "compromise" your country into a shithole.

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>>22830350

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>>22830366

>>22830350

They'd all change their minds immediately as soon as their lives were threatened. It's just like hardline anti-abortion chicks suddenly having a convenient "miscarriage" as soon as the situation is thrust upon them.

I used to be anti-gun, until I was mugged at gunpoint twice and beaten unconscious against a power box by a gang of nigs. Now I carry everywhere and trust no one. And I'm racist.

>>22830361
Naw mate we'll be joining your ranks soon, the way we discuss things isn't far removed from your system and certainly moving in that direction. Culture export much more harmful than weapons

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>>22830377
running low guys, anyone wanna pitch in?

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>>22830398

>>22830329
stop. $17 stens. why can't this be today:?

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>>22830451
keep in mind that's not adjusted for inflation. also, add 200 for the tax stamp

>>22830466
That would have bought you a small estate and servants kept on retainer for a year back then.

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>>22830496
was meant to reply to>>22830466

>>22830520
Jesus the retardation of this picture. That claim is completely false. One who made this is just as retarded as gun grabber, and you even more for posting it.

>>22830259
Retard.

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>>22830538
>implying the jews weren't disarmed


>>22830535
see pic

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>>22830561

>>22830511
>>22830496
17 dollars in todays money, with inflation is 152.84
with tax stamp, mugfugga is still only a little more than tree fiddy

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>>22830578
add 200 and adjust for inflation

>>22830535
>guns are only useful against turrists
2/10 got me to reply

>>22830561

Jesus Christ, once you're in a pit, you oughta stop digging.

>>22830591
i did though...
352.84 then sales tax

>>22830604
He meant adjust the tax stamp too.

>>22830535
>defend from terrorist breaking into house

Have you seen the news? Cops are breaking into tons of houses mate. That's not even a decent hyperbole.

>>22830611
that wouldn't make a damn bit of difference, i was referring to if the rifle itself was being sold at the going rate relative to inflation in todays world. no shit a submachine gun is going to be expensive
can't a nigga dream?

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>>22830591
>that pic
Yes. We need more of these that make librul babbies look like they are the oppressors of minority groups.

>>22830615
If you don't want to follow the rules of the society, move away. Go live in a cave or something.

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>>22830604
when you also adjust the tax stamp it comes out to $2,145.24.

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>>22830329

>NAZI 20MM SEMI-AUTO ANTI-TANK RIFLE

>>22830627
Gun grabbers are ableist

>imagine SJWs turning on the gun grabbers

>>22830631
>just accept what the government does
>lick the boot
>its the law, oh well

Fuck off

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>>22830631
pffft hahahahaha holy shit man.

>>22830643
but, you're not seeing my point.
if stens were being sold at todays prices relative to the 50's, and the tax stamp was the same the entire time (which it is) then it would be no skin off my back for the purchase of a submachine gun, i hope im making myself clear

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>>22830644
that was back when you could have it shipped right to your door. From a company in California.

>>22830226
Dont get me wrong i love the second amendment but if you truly think civilians have a chance against the military you are fucking delusional.

Does this facebook tier propaganda piss anyone else off? I cant atand the stuff, even when I agree with the message.

Like political cartoons

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>>22830671
youtube pls

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>>22830662
You're not seeing my point. They still had to pay $200 for a tax stamp then. The NFA introduced that in 1934. $17 in 1950 is $168.06. $200 in 1950 $1,977.18. The amount of the tax stamp has not changed, but its relative value has.

>>22830671
>implying abdullah and his rag tag band of sand farming goat fuckers didn't rek the us military

>>22830647
>>22830661

That's what being part of society is, you play by the rules or get fuck out.

>>22830699
This

Also Vietnam...

>>22830671
Hahaha you're stupid. American gun owners outnumber the military by some stupidly huge amount, and that's assuming every single member of the military doesn't defect, which wouldn't happen because the fact is the majority of them would defect.
>inb4 muh tanks and planes
Tanks and planes can't hold a police state, you need people for that. Plus if a government starts using tanks and planes on their own people, they have already lost.

>>22830671
take on the military, no
make the job hard enough for the military for them to reconsider their actions, yes
i also find it pretty hard to that having to kill ones own civillians, who also fight back(and probably fight dirty) will not start mutinies or even trigger a coup d'etat

>>22830708
I suppose if the government commanded you to jump off a bridge and kill yourself, you would do it gladly?

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>>22830691
ITT: statists from leddit

>>22830708
I want ausfailia to leave

>>22830691
im not saying that i wan't to live in the 50's, im saying i want guns that have the same relative value now, (gun price change, tax stamp doesn't)
i guess im not clear enough for you
i am aware those were prohibitively expensive then, but if they were to scale the price of the firearm alone up to todays value, then you add the tax stamp. then you have a $352 fully legal submachine gun.
any more clarification needed?

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>>22830732

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Dear /k/,

Why does the American Civil War, or the war for Southern Independence for us southerners, create so many feels.

I just got done watching the Ken Burns documentary and the feels cannot be stopped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjM6zjwi4R0

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>>22830752
okay okay chill. To my understanding you came off as saying that you wanted to go to 1950 and get a sten for tree fiddy. Which is why I said that was stupid. On the same page now

>>22830720
This is probably the most level headed reply. But you gotta consider this, the military aren't going to be the ones doing it. Its going to be the police.

Most military bros will refuse to attack civilians
Police fags are trained to attack civilians.

>>22830779
i suppose in my first 2 posts i made no mention of them being scaled to todays price sans tax stamp
carry on posting

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>>22830779
still waiting on others to contriboot

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>>22830800
>17 dollars in todays money, with inflation is 152.84
with tax stamp, mugfugga is still only a little more than tree fiddy

no mention of trying to buy the whole thing in today's money, because me and another anon both misunderstood that as trying to buy it then with a tax stamp now

>>22830779
>for keeping freedom discreet
I'm not even from America, but why the fuck would you ever want discreet freedom?

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>>22830836
for luls. make love loudly, make war quietly

>>22830836
So that you can dispense freedom without the libtards knowing that you're preventing their socialist uprising.

>>22830798
>Most military bros will refuse to attack civilians
Don't be so sure. I was quite upset the other night after talking to my best buddy who joined the Army. He knows some of the things he does when following orders is horribly wrong and states he hates it. But he also states he obey those orders because it is his duty to, no matter if its gunning down a crowd of children or whatever else. He's officially a drone and pawn of the government and I hate him for becoming such a piece of shit.

>>22830600
please go back to your containment board, /pol/.
stop shitting up /k/

>>22830671
>implying North Vietnam didn't win

>>22830863
See I don't think freedom should ever be quiet. Celebrate that shit son!

>>22830853
>make love loudly, make war quietly
Okay, that is an excuse I can get behind

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>>22830883

>>22830798
> Its going to be the police.
>Police fags are trained to attack civilians.
im sorry, but this seems a little ridiculous to me
i know the american cop has a raging hardon for popping jamal, but actively hunting down and killing civillians?
this is not ethnic cleansing, where the opposing group is culturaly/religiously different to you, and these people will fight back
and as i said, they wont fight fair either

>>22830671
>implying that undernourshed arabs and vietnamese, armed with ak's didn't kick the shit out the vaunted us military juggernaut and haven't been doing so since before you were born.

>THE LEFT IS PRO-GUNBAN
>The left (Communists) are pro-assault weapons

>>22830871
funny thing, in a poll /k/ and /pol/ had the most cross board traffic.

The Brady Campaign can shove itself up its ass. I would rather a rapist gets killed before he can commit a rape than he rapes and has a chance to get away.

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>>22830928

>>22830917
The fact that you're able to rationalize ethnic cleansing just proves how easy it is to paint people as an outgroup to justify murdering them on flimsy grounds.

>>22830922
>The left (Communists) are pro-assault weapons
for the party and its puppets,
i dont think a state based on forced equality will last long if the people are armed

>>22830671
>Implying the US military hasn't been getting rekt by geurilla fighters for the last fifty years.
>Implying the military has a chance of stomping out a rebellion once it gains traction
If they can't do it in Southeast Asia or the Middle East, how are they going to do it in America?

>>22830729
Or leave.

>>22830928
More people were killed in Newtown than the number of brain cells in the entire Brady bunch

>>22830919
>undernourshed arabs
>implying those arabs aren't living in rubble huts
>implying those arabs didn't get their organized military btfo in a week
>implying we don't point guns at them for using a cell phone
>implying the k/d ratio for the US and Arabs isn't 1/5

>>22830924
I refuse to believe it isn't /pol/ and /v/

>>22830671
>laughingtaliban.jpeg

>>22830946
In the manifesto it actually is, many Communist countries did it.

>>22830941
im sorry, could you digress your point?, im afraid it went straight over my head

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>>22830934

So your definition of winning is "they get sick of murdering you and go home, leaving you to a country with no infrastructure"?

>>22830958
You are trolling, right?

>>22830959
kek

>>22830981
You implied that ethnic cleansing made sense in a way that the military killing us didnt, because ethnic cleansing involves people who are "different"

If you can convince someone to slaughter other human beings because their skin colour is different, why do you think they wont do the same when they call you a terrorist/radical/etc?

>>22830990
You said they left, right? Yep that's a win, maybe not a pretty one, but hey it's war.

>>22830960
>implying that the iraq war was "won"
>implying the k/d ratio means anything when mission objectives and political objectives are taken into consideration

>>22831028
>You implied that ethnic cleansing made sense in a way that the military killing us didnt
imo because ehtnic cleansing usually concers a minority, which gun owners arent iirc

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Politics?
Politics, you say?
Politics? In MY hobby board?
I don't motherfucking think so.
>YOUNG MULAH BABAY

>>22831111
*forgot to add*
this makes it easier for the leo's/military to remove said group from society, because the smaller size weighs less heavy on their conscience/sense of righteousness

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>>22831128
>TFW YOU WILL NEVER REMOVE KAFFIR VIA LIQUIFICATION

>>22830708
Wow, what a blatant sheep. What nanny state do you live in?

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>>22831143
CHOCOLATE CHIP IS INFINITELY SUPERIOR TO COFFEE STAIN.
HAIL SCHWARZKOPF

>>22830181
OP's pic isn't really pro gun due to the fact that the text isn't well written enough to denote the truth to no-guns. If a no-guns saw this they would assume it is anti gun and rightfully so.

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>>22831185
I got seven Mac-11s, about eight .38s
Nine 9s, ten Mac-10s the shits never end.

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>>22830671

>>22831185
it really is

>>22830297
I was reading that and thinking "this mother fucker better not be putting his dick in her anymore

>>22830297

I would have dropped her right there for that alone.

>>22830776
The war of Northern Aggression. Fuckin liberal nigger-lovin lincoln. Sic Semper Tyrannus!

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>>22831427

>>22830297
>>mfw she'd rather let me die and then die herself than shoot someone
>>mfw we're not together anymore
Good man, you made the right choice.

>>22831427
wahhhhh muh slaves are gone

>>22831427
>War of Northern Aggression
>CSA shoots first
Yeah ok bub

>>22830466

What cost $17.75 in 1962 would cost ~$134.91 in 2014.

That's still cheap as fuck

>>22830646
It's one thing I really don't understand about SJWs. You'd think if they were really hard core about their cause they'd be all about arming women. Or at least getting guns out of the hands of the patriarchy

Voting
> patriarchy opressin' muh minorities and muh womyns
Women in the military
> standards are too high for womyns
Jobs
> patriarchy is only giving men jobs. No jobs for womyns in STEM cause patriarchy
Rape
> patriarchy rapes everyone. Only womyns can be raped.
Guns
> ONLY POLICE AND MILITARY SHOULD HAVE GUNS BUT WE GOTTA FIGHT THE PATRIARCHY FROM OUR KEYBOARDS

Of course the fact that they think we're all a bunch of baby murdering shitlords means i can hate them with no remorse.

On a somewhat related note does /k/ seem a little tumblish today? I've seen a couple of posts like >>22830535 all over here today.

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>>22830671

>>22831594
I want that t shirt.

>>22831671
>On a somewhat related note does /k/ seem a little tumblish today? I've seen a couple of posts like >>22830535 all over here today.
It's called b8, m8. It's not gr8 but but it's been popular of l8. If it doesn't r8, spare your h8 and ignore it.

>>22831729
Assuming everything is bait is assuming there are no stupid people that actually believe stupid things.

>>22831756
Assuming that someone posting outrageous anti-gun one-liners isn't trying to bait /k/ is kind of silly.

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>>22831723

>>22831798
Stupid people exist. occasionally they find their way here and post stupid shit. Could is have been someone trolling? Sure. Though there's a pretty good chance some random idiot from another board or site showed up and dialed the faggotry to 11.

>>22831798
Is it bait if the SJWs come here and post antigun bullshit?

Or does /k/ exist as one giant piece of bait for SJWs collective conscious?

>>22830883
Dat TD

>>22831876
Both are true. The internet isn't real.

>>22830366
What about a taser/stungun/knife/kung-fu

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>>22831808
This shit annoys me

I mean I understand gun rights for everyone but to murder someone for sexist reasons and for you guys to support it just because it involves guns is stupid.

>>22831962
>killing a person who is raping you is now sexist

Where am I? What is this place? I want off this ride.

>>22831962
>murder someone for sexist reasons
What part of my image made you think I or the women I would have armed (all of them) advocate murder?

Patriarchy is the collection of systems in government and society that disadvantages women while benefiting men. An armed, disadvantaged group ceases to be disadvantaged. Thus, simply arming women necessarily eradicates patriarchy.

Granted, women are not a monolithic, single-minded group. If they were they could simply use their voting rights to subjugate men in a real way, as they outnumber men by a few percentage points. Thus, the very idea of patriarchy is rather flawed. Still, its concept, and the overthrowing thereof, has nothing to do with murder at all.

>>22832015
>It is rape to support the patriarchy
top kek

>>22830496
Oddly, a lot of the war surplus and bring back stuff was bought and sold without ATF enforcement (stamps), hence the '68 amnesty. An old timer I frequently talk to has a WWII grease gun he bought for $10 in the early 60's with no tax stamps paid. This was however registered during the '68 amnesty.

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>>22832015
>>22832027
>tfw /k/ is now occupied by actual militant SJWs
I TOLD YOU FAGGOTS IT WOULD HAPPEN

>>22832107
>all women should be disarmed and raped
>anyone who says otherwise is from tumblr

>22830989

Not only is every single thing in this picture untrue, it also paints a false picture. You can't even argue it's making a point.


if you take away all firearm homicides in the U.S., we STILL have a murder rate well above any culturally comparable nation.

Americans are violent, and like to kill one another.

it's kinda always been this way.


Niggerdom doesn't help either

>>22832120
>>22830989
Trying to see what the fuck you tried to respond to.

>>22832107
Describe to me how being against a person forcibly sexually assaulting another is being a tumblrfag SJW? I suppose you are okay with people getting sexually assaulted? Or maybe you are a rapist and prefer disarmed victims? I don't get your logic.

>>22832162
>>22832110
Patriarchy =/= Rape
>ever using patriarchy in a negative light
You are the problem. Get the fuck out.

>>22832110
Who are you quoting?

>>22832180
>le meme arrows
:^)

>>22832173
The posts you are replying to are in response to someone replying to a post saying rape is bad by calling that poster a SJW.

If you go further up, >>22831962 equated a mention of patriarchy with murder, presumably referencing self defense of women, though that's not clear. One reply explained what the image he replied to actually meant, the other gave him the benefit of the doubt and went with the valid assumption that he was talking about self defense of women.

Now if you have something to contribute on either side of the discussion, that would be great, but if you just want to call people tumblerfags, shitpost, or bait, that's cool too I guess.

>>22832173
>>22832180
>>22832248
For God's sake this is why I namefag.

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This thread is gay now. Post wide.

>>22830776
When will you dumb southerners learn.
Lincoln freed the slave to punish the secesh.
Which needed to be "swept away by the hand of god like the Jews of old"
If you would have just quit your bitching, slavery would have lasted 40 more years.

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>>22832214

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>>22832274

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>>22832288

>>22830734
Fuck off mate, not all of us are like that.

>>22830386

Racist is a communist buzzword. You're not, you know them for what they are.

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Surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

>>22832371
Being a dyke because you can't get a boyfriend shouldn't really count.

>>22830350
but anon, its so scary looking, that shoulder thing that goes up

>Lincoln elected, no fucks given.
>south does not secede
> congress debates banning slavery in territories
> years pass, slavery banned in new states.
> decades pass, slaves rise up and are brutally suppressed.
>Slavery ends due to international pressure. >American apartheid begins.
Thank you southners for fighting to keep slavery,

>>22830209
what kind of logic is this
>be raped and possibly be murdered
>conceal carry and fend off rapist with warning shot of shit to the leg

man such a tough choice

>>22832441
>Warning shot
>To the leg

And you were doing so well.

>>22832441
warning shots are illegal, dangerous, and make you a fag

I deeply regret starting this thread

Lot of stuff here about the UK. As a bong, I am pro-gun however sadly most bongs are total, TOTAL fucking idiots I wouldnt want to have access to guns. Shit, people here drown in their pet's water bowls (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1322798/Man-dead-face-pet-dogs-water-bowl.html)
We are a profoundly stupid nation and frankly I feel safe knowing most people are unarmed.

Id feel even safer if I had a 1911 to hand however...

>>22831218
thats a nice baby dersert eagle you've got there

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>>22830181

that image is fucking retarded OP, if you made it you should feel bad.

>>22832406
You completely missed the point of that picture.

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Covers gay rights too, with the inclusion of self-injury.

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>>22832371
Dildo on a stick guy always gets me.

>>22832672

>self harm scars
come on Volk, you can do better.

>>22830716

> American gun owners outnumber the military by some stupidly huge amount

>implying american gun owners would all feel the need to take action, be on the same side, be competent enough to do so, be armed with a suitable weapon, and would be acting in a coordinated fashion.

not saying I don't know which side I would be on but it is annoying that people do not see the reality of how such things would go down.

>>22830691

>girandoni air rifle
>semi automatic

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>>22832711
We don't need everyone

>>22830591
I was at my governor's pow wow earlier this year. He had the Attorney General there, and they both spoke a blip about a gun ban agenda. They were not expecting what was coming when they told me to ask them a question. I stood up with my cane due to a back injury and asked them what we disabled people are to do when we are attacked, especially since a large portion of robberies and attacks are against people who are disabled, and if we are just to be a hidden statistic and our lives don't matter to them.

They were both taken aback and could not answer, referring me to contact their offices. I got some strange rooms from the crowd too where you could see absolutely none of them had given the disabled/seriously injured a single thought in the matter.

>>22830671
>believing police and most of the military would kill civilians
you lose

>>22831666
Bearing in mind for a STEN, that's still about 5 times the material costs alone

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>>22832938
>feel good laws
>judgements based on emotions instead of morals and logic

This is the world the boomers have made. They'd rather pass a law to feel good about themselves than actually care about the disabled, needy, and elderly.

>>22832979
There is no price too steep for the chance to mag dump with the slightest bump of your weapon.

>>22830712
We actually rekt the NVA, it was just politics that made us leave.

>>22832549
Getting my section 1 and a 10/22 soon fellow bong. I only just found out that you are allowed semi-auto rifles in .22 which is why there are so many .22 AR15s around.

>>22833026
Not even that. We had achieved all our objectives by the time we left, and the north came in afterwards and took over the south.

>>22832988
I am sure that every single politician/governor cannot give an answer if you ask them a question about the elderly, the injured, or the disabled and how they are to defend themselves.

>>22833090
>you dont need a gun, just run away
>b-but I'm disabled

Gun grabbers rekt, end of story.

>>22831195
You post somethibg like this to social media

Then the libtard takes the bait

Then you lambast them and explain to the lurking crowd watching the epeen measuring how retarded your opponents reactionist and ill conceived stance is.

>Not that difficult to understand

>>22831907
shhh!

Don't let them all know!

>>22830196
this poster is poorly designed:
>emphasises "mostly"
>puts "superficial" in a gay retard font that's thinner than the bulk text font

This emphasises that the differences are MOSTLY (but not entirely) superficial.

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>>22830209
Haha...who's sponsoring these ads? The NFL players union?

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>>22833442

>>22832288
I wonder how it feels like to be a black guy at a 2nd Amendment protest.
I wish more friendly black people would be there so people couldn't pull the race card.

>>22831456
> implying thats what it was really about

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>>22830643
Your image forgot the best part.

>I WANT MY WHOLE DAMN CAKE BACK

>>22833873
This picture gives me a freedom bone every time I see it.

I've also used it several times. A couple anti gunners have even slowly seen the light.

>>22830853
>that image
simply not true

>>22831218
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETfiUYij5UE

>>22832549
you are a faggot
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-173487/Why-I-demand-right-carry-gun.html

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>Kidnap and knockout known anti-gun person without them seeing me (Being male, or female, don't care, i'm fucking bi)

>Bring them to seclude location

>Lock them in the room with me

>place a revolver loaded with a very weak blank in it.

>Put it on my side of the room

>They wake up

>I'm still wearing a mask

>I then go and proceed to attempt to rape them,

>Ill let them fight, and struggle, and let them go a few times, pretending I slipped.

>If they are fucking stupid, ill rape them

>ill continue to try to undress them up until the point they try to go for the gun, and grab it

>when they do, and aim at me, continue to go at them.

>It fires the blank

>I stop.

>Wrestle the gun out of their hands.

>Tell them to not move

>Make my way to the door.

>Close it

>Leave it unlocked for them to leave, and maybe think about their view on things.

>long gone.

>>22834381
no, you are the faggot

>>22834509
good job

>>22830226
what about a lot of muskets and a lot of peasant cannon fodder

>>22830732
I've always wondered, if the Hughes Amendment did NOT legally pass then why hasn't anyone done anything about it? Shouldn't the NRA be all over this?

>>22830776
A sad war. I'm glad it had such good art.

>>22830807
>"This article has reviewed a significant amount of evidence from a wide variety of international sources."
>Cites no sources
>Le ebin merchant may may xD

>>>/pol/

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>>22830329
....fuck. 180 bucks.

>>22834576
There are cases currently building regarding hughes & the trust fubar. Shaddup, lurk, and keep traffic to a minimum

how come texas has to accept fag marriage licenses from jew england but jew england doesn't have to accept carry permits from texas? are the courts so in the bag for grabbers that something this obviously unconstitutional wouldn't get through?

>>22834769
>are the courts so in the bag for grabbers that something this obviously unconstitutional wouldn't get through?

Yes

See: the judge that ruled magazines over 10 rounds aren't protected by the Bill of Rights because they didn't exist at the time of the ratification of the constitution (despite the fact that a 20 round magazine most definitely did exist)

>>22830776
Because it encapsulates the American spirit so wholly that no one person can claim to be American and not feel connected in some way. No matter what side it is a conflict of ideals and American spirit, and that bond cannot be broken.

>>22831944
Asthma!

>>22832938
you didn't think politicians actually considered the real ramifications of the laws they pass now did you? especially when they are above those laws.

>>22831944
None do jack shit to jamal tyrone and their illegal hi points.
>kung-fu
Really?

>>22830297
>"taking a life unnecessarily"
What would make it necessary at that point?

>>22830256
>Don't use their biased, propaganda words!
>Use ours!

I'm pro fun, but fucking really? Victim disarmament? And I'm sorry, but if you're talking specifically about the rate of homicides with firearms, "Gun violence" is a perfectly good term.

>>22830350
>But anon, you only need those on rapid firing 600 baby-per-second killing machines.
>Just like any other feature that makes a gun easier to hold or use!

>>22836446
No matter what there is words that relate to each side and are 'buzz words'. What's important is how based in reality those words are

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>>22830350

>>22830181

lol? Garand only had high rate of fire back in its day, not by todays standards.

And since when do you need a 30 round magazine for deer hunting? And since when is 556 a hunting cartridge?

There's valid pro-gun arguments, and theres valid anti-gun arguments, but the way in which you make arguments is inflammatory and misleading. NO ONE has EVER been swayed by these kind of meaningless fucking catch 22 paper tiger BS arguments from EITHER SIDE. It's just fucking noise.

>>22836735
>Thinking that's a Garand

Spot the nogunz!

>>22830989
This is bullshit.

First, if judging by total murder count U.S. ranks 9th in the world (lower the rank, the more murders), if judging by murder rate U.S ranks 105th in the world with 4.7 murders per 100,000 (higher the rank, bigger the rate).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

According to the FBI there were 14,827 murders in 2012 in a 313,914,040 population, if we exclude Detroit, Chicago, DC and New Orleans combined murders and population from national totals, which amounted to 1,167 and 4,410,675 respectively, we are left with 13,660 murders for a 309,503,365 population.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_rate_per_100000_inhabitants_1993-2012.xls
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/8tabledatadecpdf/table_8_offenses_known_to_law_enforcement_by_state_by_city_2012.xls/view

Which means U.S murder rate after taking out those cities would be 4.4 per 100,000, this barely makes it the 103rd country with the lowest murder rate, or the 9th country with the highest total murder count.

>>22836735
>Valid anti-gun arguments

le commie face

>>22836735
G...garand?
I think you need to check your eyes m8
Because that's a fucking Enfield

>>22835050
goddamn right. that war defined our nation. yankees and rebs, bless them alike. They were brothers. A fight now man should suffer.

>>22830226
If anything, an armed opposition gives the government a pretence for totalitarian methods.

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>>22835274

>>22832287
>bitching for freedom
>dying for your country


Pick one. Southern's were hard men, no matter what they believed in..their country was at stake. They fought for home.

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>>22836735

>>22836735
>he thinks that's a Garand

Holy shit m8, get the fuck off this board

>>22834634
aye.

>>22836878
>fought for their home
>this is what Southerners believe

The US Gov should have called your bluff, cancelled Reconstruction, and razed your entire fucking culture

>>22830627
>THAT pic
Fuck now I'm thinking of that video and getting horny.

>>22836878
That already happened. Sherman put us down.

>>22836878
>They fought for home.
Actually my ancestors fought because they got fucking drafted, and could not have given less of a fuck about slaves or the rich faggots who owned them. How about you stop talking shit?

>>22830708
Well I'm glad that colonial Americans and the Founding Fathers didn't share your amazingly stupid point of view. I really hope you don't live here, I'd be ashamed to share a country with you.

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>>22830574
That's a really biased comparison, neither Bloomberg nor Feinstein spend all their fortune but a tiny fraction promoting gun control, while the integrity NRA's funding is used directly or indirectly to promote gun ownership and lobby congress.

Most of Bloomberg's money goes to his philanthropies (how much non-gun related philanthropic work does the NRA does?) and particularly to his alma mater (John Hopkins).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomberg_Philanthropies

Every year since 1998, the gun lobby spent at least 3 times more money than gun control proponents did, reaching a record 15.3 million last year, 7 times the record spending for gun control (also that same year)

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?cycle=2014&ind=Q12
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?cycle=2014&ind=Q13

>>22836974
Union issued the first federal draft order. (INb4 Hur Dur we different muh rebs). If someone was shelling your neighborhood and you don't pick up a riffle then you deserve death

>>22837025
2013 was a pretty busy year, shit

>>22837030
What are you even saying?

>>22837045
The current to-do in the mainstream media started with Aurora (July 2012) and really took off with Sandy Vagina (December 2012). 2013 was the year following that, wherein the media started to maximize their profit and the politicians to further their careers by standing on the corpses of the dead. 2014 is a continuation of that. Luckily, it's starting to die down, so ammo prices and libtard legislation scares should die down, too. We should be back to normal by 2016.

>>22837025
Good. I'm glad that 2 single idiots got out spent. I don't care how much money Bloomberg gives to charity, it won't undo the damage to civil rights.

>>22830520
You've killed more presidents with guns than the times you used them (as in shooting) to defend them

>>22837190
I haven't killed anyone.

>>22837074
we fought for home.

>>22837030
>implying the CSA were local militia bands holding their ground to protect their communities

Holy shit, I can see the "alternative" history they teach in Southern schools from here

>>22830366
Pepper is actually a home remedy for asthma

>>22837215
>entire volunteer units from southern universities
>meh not community based enough
>Virgil Caine
>chopping wood, money is no good, father before me brother below me...

Dixie will never be driven down.

>>22830377
Ironically FDA could ban bacon on the grounds it's unhealthy for a diet, but ATF can't ban guns on the grounds they're unhealthy for society.

>>22837319
>muh 1456th South Carolina Company!
>fighting to defend our homes!
>in Veginia!!

stay mad, Johnny

>>22837319
>poorest states in the US
>shittiest secondary and tertiary education systems
>all reliant on massive federal spending
>high usage of public assistance and subsidy

Believe me anon, Dixie is "driven down" on every cock in the CONUS

>>22837215
southern armies had the same motivation as the union in the war for independence. Brother v. Brother. Yanks and Rebs..same as Patriots and Turncoats. God bless the union but godbless the men who fought for our confederate states.

>>22830181
guns are so fucking stupid. /b/an them all!!!!!!!!

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>>22830759
Debunked long ago

>>22837444
>poorest states
>superior leadership...R.E.Lee offered command of entire union army prior to engagement.
>whip em boys, fight honorably for country, aspire for victory even though anyone knows defeat is one charge away
>many victories
>pickett
>defeat
>RIP DIXIE

>>22830671
What country uses its own military against its own citizens?

>>22830361
That's one fat girl if I ever seen one

>>22837451
I take nothing away from the soldiers (after all, my ancestors were southern volunteers) and their prowess in battle. But fuck the Confederacy, and fuck the revisionist history that's shoved down the throats of students in southern schools to this day

>>22837214
Well we fought because we were fucking conscripted. Thanks Davis.

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>>22830732
- Is probably a bullshit comparison of gun stock versus armed violent crime flow (in case you failed statistics, you are supposed to compare stocks versus stocks and flow versus flows)

- Is probably a bullshit comparison of gun stock versus armed crime flow

- How can you use a gun in self-defense without firing it (not even a warning shot)? Those people could have used a plastic imitation with the same effect.

- And the other 99% times the criminal just shoots you?

- If by "spiked" you mean it stayed below pre-ban levels for 4 years in the UK. Back then, in Britain only 6% of robberies in which firearms were reported to have been used happened in the home (vs America's 30%).

- And out of the 96% obtained illegally, 100% were once obtained legally.

>>22837872

>How can you use a gun in self-defense without firing it (not even a warning shot)? Those people could have used a plastic imitation with the same effect

...By pointing it at someone and them backing off because they have a gun in their face? Yeah, pretending a toy is a real one on the very possible chance your assailant decides to play chicken with that scenario is an awesome idea, retard.

>>22837189
So you don't believe in civil rights (prohibiting discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin) and you want guns to fight the tyrannical government that doesn't let the people establish gun owner sharia

>>22837950
That's not the point, might as well use a real but unloaded gun, same effect under that definition of "use".

>>22837793
You dont NEED more than 8GB's of ram!

>>22838061
>defend yourself with a gun
>"Well, you could have used something else, so it doesn't count :^)"

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>>22830520
>German soldier
>1911

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>>22830807
>still waiting on others to contriboot
You sure? You might not like what you'll see, for example::

That review by Kates and Mauser does not actually compare all forms of "violent crime" but uses murder as a proxy for it and it does so for only 13 European countries. One of those countries is Luxembourg, which they claim has 0 gun ownership and a murder rate of 9.01 per 100,000 according to Homicide in Canada 2001-2004 (?). Checking the source, turns out the rate appears there along with that of other countries used in Kates and Mauser's comparison but the table only provides a source (in bold) for Canada's murder rate (also in bold).

http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/Statcan/85-002-XIE/0080385-002-XIE.pdf

So where does the 9.01 murder rate for Luxembourg came from? Turns out Canadians slipped a decimal from the original rate as published in the The Eight United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002), which is a 0.9 per 100,000 rate of intentional homicide (completed)

http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/eighthsurvey/5678sc.pdf

It's thanks to that kind of embarrassing mistakes (or perhaps intentional error?) together with their limited focus on a handful of European countries that they were unable to find a correlation, not to mention the poor quality of their research which compares figures from different years from multiple secondary and tertiary sources (it's almost as they didn't want us to find were their data came from). No wonder it was never peer-reviewed.

For a far more comprehensive, non-partisan and methodologically sound study, I suggest you try reading UN's Global Study on Homicide (Chapter 3), which findings are summarized in pic related.

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Globa_study_on_homicide_2011_web.pdf

>>22838464
Lurk moar

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>>22838464
>1911
That's a P38 dipshit

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>>22838464
>Thinking that's a 1911

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>>22838464
>1911
I see that summer is staying a bit into the school year. Haven't most schools been started up for a few weeks now? You should be studying.

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In the United states, a country with at least 310,000,000 firearms available or in the hands of the average citizen,there is an average of 9021.8 firearm murders a year.

To break that down
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There are an estimated 114,000,000 handguns in the united states, with an average of 6407.6 handgun murders per year.

114,000,000 -99.9% = 140,000

140,000 handguns is .1% of the amount of handguns in the US

140,000 handguns / 6407.6 is 21.8490542481

So the total average of handguns used for murder is 21 times less than .1% of the total number of Handguns in the US.
_____________________________________________________________
Now onto rifles

There are an estimated 110 million rifles in the united states and an average of 350.4 rifle murder ever year.

110000000 - 99.9% = 110000

110000 = .1% of the total number of rifles in the US

110000 rifles / 350.4 = 313.926940639

So the total average of Rifles used for murder is 313 times less than .1% of the total number of rifles in the US.


______________________________________________________________________________
Now to wrap up we will go over the total number of murders to the amount firearms owned or available


In the United states there are an estimated 310,000,000 firearms in civilian circulation.

On average there are 9021.8 firearm murders each year.

310,000,000 - 99.9% = 310,000

310,000 = .1% of the total number of firearms in the US

310,000 / 9021.8 = 34.3612139484

So the total average of firearms used for murder is 34 times less than .1% of the total number of firearms in the US

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>>22838511
>comparing countries by "assault with firearm" rate instead of overall assault rate
>plotting homicide rate vs. percentage of homicides involving guns instead of homicide rate vs. gun ownership

0/10 Apply yourself.

>>22838372
Again, not the point, if that counts as defending yourself with a gun then people using airsofts to rob people successfully should be charged with armed robbery and attempted murder if they get to shoot, that makes as much sense as considering those people to be using their guns without shooting.

>>22838602
>comparing countries by "assault with firearm" rate instead of overall assault rate
Assault definitions vary a lot between countries (FBI, for example, only provides statistics for aggravated assaults), but they all consider that when a weapon is involved it's definitely an assault.

>plotting homicide rate vs. percentage of homicides involving guns instead of homicide rate vs. gun ownership
What's wrong with that? Countries with higher firearm homicide also have a higher overall homicide rate.

>>22838625
Needs brown gun owners.

>>22838589
That's really bad statistics, you're comparing a stock (guns) vs a flow (murders per year) when the appropriate thing to do would be comparing stocks vs stocks (total gun available vs total firearm murders committed) and flows vs flows (annual gun purchases vs annual firearm murders).

Considering a stock vs stock comparison would require collecting accurate information about firearm murders in the early 20th century (oldest records for standardized crime categories are available since 1993 and estimates go back up to 1968) I think it'd be easier to compare the flows.

So a more appropriate comparison would be:

Between 2007-2009 the estimated total number of firearms available to civilians in the United States had increased by 16 million (8 million handguns, 5 million rifles and 3 million shotguns)*.

In the same time period there were 28,856 firearm murders (20,699 handgun, 1184 rifle and 1322 shotgun)**

So that means there were 1.8 new firearm murders for each 1000 new firearms available (or 2.5 for handguns, 0.2 for rifles and 0.4 for shotguns).

Of course, you could argue it's not only just the new firearms the ones being used to kill people, but then I could say it's not just the people who lived in any particular year the ones who were killed by the total amount of guns.

A truly misleading comparison would have been comparing the sum of all firearm deaths (220,215 just between 1993-2009*) vs average annual increase in guns, which would be more similar to what you did.

Sources:
*http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32842.pdf
**http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

>>22838697
that bayonet is fucking useless

>>22838794
>but then I could say it's not just the people who lived in any particular year the ones who were killed by the total amount of guns.
Can you retype this in English?

>>22830671
1776

>>22838794
>flows vs flows (annual gun purchases vs annual firearm murders).
Flows vs flows won't work because people can kill somebody with a gun bought last year.

>>22838794
I'm confused, the FBI data shows a constant downward trend for firearm homicides over this time period, your point is kind of nulled by this unless I misunderstand the data.

>>22836735
>Garand
Stopped reading there

>>22838697
The medium of the speech is not mentioned in 1a and while 2a doesn't mention any specific arm it's understood by courts that it only protects those weapons "in common use at the time" and "typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes".

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Why do fucking yuropoors ALWAYS butt their sniveling faces into our gun culture?

Every time I watch hickok45 shooting at the compound, I see some goddamned yuropoor in the comments making snarky comments showing disdain for our gun rights.

Fucking yuropoors. We should drop out of NATO and let the russians have at them. they'll wish they had guns then.

>>22839035
But muskets aren't in common use, Anon. Drones and M2s and shit are.

>>22839055
Because they are irrelevant assholes.

>>22839035
Yes. And the baddies have AKs, so we can get AKs. The baddies have ARs, so we can get ARs.

>>22839055

Well sure they're all annoyed at our guns. Our fondness for our firearms allowed us to cast off their suzerainty.

>>22830732

You're telling me that shit never became a law?
It's legally not a law, and there's video evidence?
..... Fuck this. Sic Semper Tyrannis. I'll be in the garage, getting together some bits and pieces. I'm going to make an MG and take this bullshit to court. Captcha of 101 for good luck!

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>>22834449
Welcome to the persons of interest list!

>>22838859
It's grammatically correct, problem must be your reading comprehension. It follows the basic premise enunciated at the beginning of my post, you shouldn't compare a flow (firearms deaths each year) versus a stock (total amount of firearms in circulation) because it's misleading (the total amount of firearms was used to kill people in more than one year).

>>22838894
>Of course, you could argue it's not only just the new firearms the ones being used to kill people, but then I could say it's not just the people who lived in any particular year the ones who were killed by the total amount of guns.
You can't complain about my estimates without recognizing the same error in yours too (which is the intention of my post).

>>22838997
You misunderstood my point

>>22839055
It's you who start by comparing yourselves to UK or Australia (because of their gun control and the fact you can only understand English) and get butthurt after they disprove your bs

>>22831427

The south is just so, so, so pathetic.

Get over the fact that us Northerners are smarter, tougher and better than you.

Oh wanna fight about it?

Of course you don't, you already tried once and got your ass beat.

>>22839208
for example >>22830732 and >>22837872

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>>22830181
No offense, op, but your image plays directly into the "guns weren't the same x many years ago" argument.

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>>22833873
That's fucking beautiful

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>>22830671

Guaranteed replies

>>22839114
The "baddies" get AR's and AK's when the "gooddies" decide to sell their legally obtained guns to them or when they get stolen.

>>22832549
We got plenty of retarded hilbillies in America and we do just fine with guns. It's those damn niggers and palestine/paki faggots that are the problem. Fuck Iraqi sandmen aint even bad at all just the palestine and paki ones.

>>22830181
>SMLE made almost exclusively for the military
>The hunting Rifle is sold as the Military & Police -15
You so dumb, were to start.

>>22833873
How did that work liberals usually just go "well pools weren't designed for killing" when you use that argument?

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>>22839290
>implying
It is so easy to make and AR or an AK, even if you can't legally own a firearm. You don't know much about this subject do you?

>>22839366
>How come something not designed for killing kills more chilluns than something designed for killing?
You're welcome.

>>22833982
Change anime eyes to puppy dog eyes so people who use it outside of 4chan don't look autistic and it will be perfect.

>>22834930
>the judge that ruled magazines over 10 rounds aren't protected by the Bill of Rights because they didn't exist at the time of the ratification of the constitution (despite the fact that a 20 round magazine most definitely did exist)
WHO THE FUCK DID THIS AND HOW DID THEY GET AWAY WITH IT

>>22838287
I have 32

>>22832180
Fuck off back to >>>/jp/ you goddamn autist

>>22836772
>>22837025
>>22837521
>>22837872
>>22838511
>>22838794
Why are (American) gun owners statistics so frequently either plain lies or fabricated misinfo?

>>22839479
Because many of us are not statisticians and see two numbers that make our side of the argument look good and run with it.

Fucking yuropoors. I really want to lobby congress to end NATO and let the russians take over europe.

>>22839376
Not really, same as most people. That's why gun control succeeds in limiting firearm supply. In Australia, for example, a homemade Mac-10 is selling for 15k in the black market, the kind of criminals that pay that much for a weapon are not the ones that'll try to mug me. Those can only afford knifes at best and knife crime has also gone down.

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>>22839680
10/10 you're a european
You seem to be quite thick sir.

>>22839680
>gun control succeeds in limiting firearm supply
How is this a good thing you stupid nigger?

I'm not going to give up my right to go out and buy as many baby killers as I wish because Jamal, Lamar, Antoine, and Jose can't keep their greasy fingers off the trigger.

Go fuck yourself. NOW.

>>22839711
You seem not to be able to understand basic economics.

>>22839719
A white feminist mom could say the same about you.

>I'm not going to give up my right to go out and ban as many baby killers as I wish because Austin, Billy and Bud want to shoot minorities.

>>22839956
>give up my right to go out and ban as many baby killers as I wish
She never had it in the first place.

>>22839956
>A white feminist mom could say the same about you.
I don't care about white feminist mothers. I'll continue buying all the AKs I want and your anti-gun agenda isn't going to stop me.

Also,
>implying those minorities weren't committing a crime
>implying those shootings aren't in self defense
hue

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>>22839529
That only explains why you circulate them, not why gun owners make them. Why is there a need to lie and fabricate evidence if facts truly back your arguments as many of you seem to beleive?

>>22839987
Neither a right to vote and it wasn't won by using guns.

>>22840022
Not him, but I'll bite your bait, yuropoor scum.

The real reason behind crime in this country is twofold: poverty, and niggers.

Poverty and niggers, when combined, expand the crime rate even more.

If you took all the niggers in the US, and parceled them out to the UK, France, Germany, Scandinavia, Switzerland, and Italy, the crime rates here would plummet. Conversely, the crime rates in Europe would skyrocket.

The problem in this country isn't guns, it's niggers. Blaming niggers isn't PC, so we just throw together numbers that seem right because America, at least publicly, has its head buried in the sand when it comes to race and crimes.

There, now go jump off a bridge.

>>22840078
>Conversely
I meant likewise
It's late here and I'm american, so grammar doesn't matter.

>>22840265
>conveniently ignoring the part where the nigs are transplanted to europe
Also
>4.5 to 2.46
>not plummeting
Also Also
>implying the FBI doesn't count hispanics as white
try harder, yuropoor

>>22840078
That's demonstrably false.

As of 2010, non-Hispanic whites or European Americans amounted to 196,817,552 or 63% of the total U.S population and there were a total 4,849 murders committed by white people during that same year

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl03.xls

That translates into a 2.46 per 100,000 murder rate which is more than twice the murder rate of UK, France or Italy, thrice that of Germany or Spain and four times that of Switzerland (including all their sizable non-white minorities).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Furthermore, it's pointless to say something like the reason behind crime are people (whatever their race, religion or political affiliation), people can't be treated as causes of crime or you might as well end up justifying getting rid of everyone so there's 0 crime (why stop with black people if you could just deport all gun owners together with their guns and there'd be close to 0 firearm crime).